I agree. I’ve seen lots of interviews with Tyler and stories about him. Tyler doesn’t strike me as mean spirited, however, Lance is not only mean spirited, he’s vengeful, evil, manipulative, and has a sense of entitlement that’s off the charts.
a big thank you to TYLER for what he did about that era of cycling. with his truths, he cleaned up his mistakes, and will go down in history as one of the riders who spoke of ''true'' cycling. wonderful interview, greats! 🤩
I don't believe a word Tyler says. I think the broken collarbone was fake. It would have cut him open. this is wwe. Pathological liars who want attention but have no useable skills whatsoever. Tyler hamilton is worthless at everything in life but pure climbing on a bicycle.
Amazing interview. Couldn't be more happy to have found this channel! You were pointed, and deliberate, and in telling his story allowed Tyler to see genuine support for clean behavior. In America I believe "living in they grey" areas has eroded what should be healthy activities. There is virtually no sport that doesn't have dangerously driven athletes that end up crossing lines. Some of the sports however, curiously have noticeable lack of these failing moments, and you can't help but wonder if it isn't simply the institutions protecting the scheme more sophisticatedly.
Brilliant interview, my 11 year old son has his olympic poster on his wall as he loves taking cycling photos. completely agree we need riders to sit down and talk about the past as riders in 2018 have died and a under 23 team were done for doping, so sad nothing has changed
Electric motors are everywhere. Cycling is nascar or formula one. They choose the riders to win based on market demographics and areas for expansion. If your kid is korean or african he will be pushed to get many wins. Those are the expanding markets. If he's white american nobody cares, and he won't win because he won't expand the market.
It's kind of annoying that people treat Lance Armstrong like he invented doping. I'm not saying the guy's a saint, but guys were doping for years before Lance came along. David Walsh makes it seem like Lance was the only guy who had the perfect drug program. If it's so easy to dope and win, how come other guys didn't win more often? There has to be more to it than just doping.
First question for backwards is # so many cyclist that were involved in doping back in 1997 are now involved in cycling teams or commentary today so they will never come clean.
There's absolutely a whole lot that won't ever come clean, but quite a lot of those involved with new teams have come clean. I hope the ret comes clean, no matter if they are still in the sport in some way or not. Only then may (MAY!) this sport recover and get back to what it should be.
This is a prime example of why Armstrong and those cyclist of this time are still so relevant. Hate them or love them, it's wildly intriguing and we all come to the their table.
Blood doping through extraction had been known since at least the 1970's. It was common enough practice by European long distance runners and even talked about quite openly during the '72 and '76 Olympics. I even remember the announcers talking about the feats of Lasse Viren and the rumors of his blood doping. Yes, back in those days it was talked about quite openly. It was not even against the rules back then. Why it took 30 years to outlaw this in cycling is a bit beyond me. There always has been and always will be certain people who will engineer new and improved ways to get better performance. I believe what we saw in cycling in the early 2000's will be infantile to what we will see in the future. Will genetic manipulation be a part of that? I would like to believe the majority of today's riders are clean and they probably are with the rules that are in place today. But technology will always outpace the testing and rules. It will be interesting to see what some of the best cyclists in the world today are doing to get their winning performances. Perhaps we will know in 10 more years?
I suggested earlier today on comments with an Armstrong documentary that the new crop are genetic doping. The performances are far too good and they aren't getting caught anymore. The game has evolved once again.
Considering the times haven’t changed since the “doping era” do you really think everyone is clean? If people were only using performance enhancing substances/ways for a decade or two there should be a jump on the graph for fastest times. Then it should come back down similarly to before the doping decades. Human evolution and bike technology hasn’t evolved that much.
There’s scientists making compounds that are undetectable. Look at the BALCO case. If the guy didn’t get greedy he or his athletes would’ve never been caught. Imagine how many other cases there of this going on. There’s just too much money and glory on the line to not try to cheat. The riders are getting faster and faster and I think we all know why. Sad but true
Very few tested positive even when everyone was doped, and uci and tour officials, team directors, doctors,etc had no reason to turn anyone in because it benefits everyone. Lance may not be the best judge,however, he never ever even implied he was very worried about getting caught. Nothing has changed, and doping wise nothing will change. Enjoy it and watch it, and hopefully it still makes you excited to ride and even race. If it doesnt ,then don’t watch, and dont waste time on it.
I hold no judgement towards any of them (Lance as well, especially Lance) but I've always liked Tyler as a man wholesale. Great guy! I do truly believe that it'd help everyone involved and people that weren't. Kids wanting to get into sports today can't be niave. I don't think they are and that might be worse because they're already thinking about it. Plus, public education on things like testosterone would help out men who are on it not be stigmatized. I know a large group of vets that their lives have been DRAMATICALLY effected in all positive ways by taking it yet if they dare talk about it automatically they're seen as "doping". Lance just did a podcast with Attia that was pretty good. It's kinda is what made me start watching these again.
Everyone wants to win, because it pays, Sponsorships won’t be given to the losers of any sport. Look at the Money in sport and Gambling. All sports are tarnished due to the amount of money is involved. Sorry bit late to the table, great show, well done to Tyler. Just about to sub👍🏻
Well in reality who wants to waste time if there is no way you are going to win or place near the top? If everyone else is doing this stuff and not getting caught then what is the incentive not to do it? That's the big problem. They only catch a small number of guys using PED's.
2:35, Magnolia Rd., S side of Boulder Canyon, east of Nederland, CO. I met Tyler very briefly about '95 just after he bought a home two doors down from mine in Ned. He told me he raced bicycles for Postal and I thought he meant the post office! I had no idea who he was. Kind of embarrassing to look back on that moment. I'm in the process of reading his book now and am about ¾ of the way through. Excellent book for anyone not understanding the challenges faced by someone who wants to become a champion bike racer. It is a stressful, painful, brutal endeavor, both physically and mentally. I'm guessing all those strings around his left wrist have some meaning.
a lot of people didn't get caught. I am galician (northwestern Spain) and while I think Indurain for instance, was a super athlete, I don't understand why he never got caught. The cleanest major Tour (Vuelta or Giro, whatever) winner is Greg Lemond, since he possess a privileged body and a crazy max VO2
Armstrong, the biggest cheat, liar, bully & disgrace ever in pro cycling history. A vile individual who used others for his selfish self centred gains & then called them liars when they called him out. Only later for them to be found out totally correct in calling him out. Anyone who still supports the bully would obviously do the same as he, shame on every one of them.
and now Trek is producing 12,500 + USD electric bikes which seem to the end product of a bike that Cancessara was accused of riding in one of the tours early tours of the 2000's I thinTrek was a sponsor of Cancellara then.
Read what exactly? If I remember correctly, he's already admitted to blood doping - can't remember if also epo and whatever else. Id live to read a book by him though.
@@jamisonr um no...Ulrich was dirty. What I was alluding to is that we'll be reading about his death due to the fact of his fall from grace. Same as Pantani, Vanderbrook, Jimenez, and some others that escape my memory.
He claims to not be fit. But those ex pros... they are what weekendroadwarriors can barely achieve when they train really really hard ;)) vo2 max is way above normal levels. No matter his riding volume ^^. love tyler. Great interview.
Nope. A rider with natural hematocriet, like 48 vs a rider with natural hematocriet 38 but with stronger muscles. Dope them both with epo until the 50 percent rule. The 38 guy gonna win. He is stronger but natural would win the 48 guy
@@hardtech8931 Cheers for this analogy. When friends tell me that Lance would have won anyway as they all cheated, I was always flabbergasted at the ignorance. I have no idea of how good Lance would have been, I just know he never would have won 7 Tour De France.
Everyone was doping then and to have any chance of even competing you had no choice but to join in. Armstrong was the best and it was a level playing field. Team Sky claim they are totally clean, but we’ve since found out it’s probably impossible to win the tour de france totally clean even it’s through the use and abuse of tue’s. They might be within the rules, but far from being totally clean, just ask David Miller.
british cycling has been way to succesfull in the olympics. its the same with the vaughters team, ef education now, the clean label attracts sponsors, being actually clean and being pack filler on the other hand looses sponsors, sooo, clean image while still doping it is, thats what millar doesnt say right, what an hypocrite
@@thejoker6243 it never is face it. Bigger budgets , more altitude training camps, oxygen chambers, ketones, nutritionists, psychologists, race recon, etc . Are natural gifts unfair too, if you have a natural hematocrit of 55 should you be allowed to race or a natty test score of 1200. If you don't dope your are left behind no ifs ands or buts. To have a chance to compete you have to take part in the doping game, thats as true today as it was in 1999. Nothing anyone can do will ever change this reality and that goes for all pro sports not just cycling. Maybe its time to let go of childish illusions
Gian Paolo Zanconato - Netflix had an interesting review of Marco Pantani, but painted him as a victim of the culture. There's some truth to it, it predated MP & LA, but Lance fully embraced it more than others. Johan Bruyneel, Eddie, Borysewicz, Chris Carmichael, ..... have been pretty silent. Lance had MANY supporters who were complicit. It took a cast of characters for him to succeed. This includes up to UCI, they benefitted for the Lance story/hype too.
I don't think they used motors at that point, I believe any and all pharma products and methods were used without a doubt but I don't think motors were in use at that point and if they were the tech was probably not advanced enough to hide without easily being found out for a number of reasons. The drug use is not unique to cycling in anyway but our sport has a spot light on it and the specific drugs used may be different but all sports are plagued by drugs
That stage where lance was trying to give the win to Landis who could not get it done so Lance chased down Kloden. That just did not seem possible. I have always wondered of he was motor doping on that one.
@@drefhill So u feel bad for those who weren't as good at doping? Lol.. if u cheat u cheat. If u aren't as good at cheating no one should feel bad for u.
I wonder what he thinks about cyclists in 2022 racing as fast as they did in his doping era? The thought was you couldn’t compete without doping so how are they racing so fast today?
Bike technology, diet, pre racefeeding, on the bike fuelling, recovery routines, team tactics and apparel technology has evolved since the Armstrong/Hamilton era immensely.
The fact that there was sabotage within their own teams is what is disheartenting to me. Some of Armstrong's own team mates were good enough to beat him but the team heirarchy made sure it was Armstrong for the benefit of his brand that was the one to finish first.
I guess there are two ways to play it when you get caught cheating full scale: downplay it like Lance or play up your repentance and continue milking the fact like Tyler. The shame is these guys don’t have the courage to walk away from the sport the first time they face the music.
They don't admit their electric motor use. 50,000 inspections and zero positives? One u-23 in twenty years of lithium batteries and motors? Give me a break. It's not even bike racing. It's nascar or formula one. It's about access to motors. Doping doesn't even work, and thats the real elephant in the room. So many studies show no improvement from doping, or even decreases. Every rider has either a hub motor or bottom bracket motor . When they open bottom brackets they do it in a closed tent. What a joke.
Lance is still lying. The most important question he has never answered is WHEN DID YOU START DOPING? I am sure that he started doping with steroids in his late teenage years. He beat the best triathletes in the world at 17... impossible. There was a doping program in place at the Olympic Training Center at the time he was there....
Something that gets overlooked is so obvious. If it is a positive quality for each blood cell to carry more oxygen why don't they? It makes the blood thicker and harder to pump. This results in larger hearts to handle the increased pressure required, but at night when there there is no no need for the blood delivery required during the day, the heart beats much slower and tends (sometimes) to stop. Abusers of EPO tend to die in their sleep - Marco Pantani comes to mind.
Pantani died of heart stoppage. He was a known EPO user. EPO set him up to die of a heart attack. He was dying to win and his wish was granted. F*** with evolution at your peril.
Pantani fell into a depression after he was disqualified for high hematocrit levels and was unable to compete in the TDF and Giro by the UCI. Velonews and Wikipedia have been quoted along with the Italian paparazzi/news organizations not to mention that his autopsy confirmed that he died of "acute cocaine poisoning" in 2004, was he a known habitual abuser of the Bolivian marching powder I don't know. But he was dogged for a long while about PED use.
Sadly, Marco Pantani died from an overdose after suffering depression after getting caught doping causing a high hematocrit level. But a lot of people in the bike sports have been killed in their sleep by thick blood due to epo and whatever else. And also it's not uncommon for a few to die from overdoses on other things than 'just' doping.
Became a bigger fan of Tyler during this interview. However it seems the reporter has a huge hard-on for trying to make a name for himself by eventually cornering Armstrong. He should instead to do good interviews like he did with Tyler.
Agreed! He's come clean about himself and that's it. He's unwilling to talk about other teams and how it's still big in cycling today. The guy really just dances around the questions.
The best men didn't win because they were better dopers. The best men won because they were the best athletes due to the best training, tactics, bikes, bodies, etc. The dope factors out!
Without cheaiing Hamilton would never have been heard of. I can't understand why people have compassion for a cheater. Why not interview people who don't cheat? Non-cheaters should be at the top of all sports but fans are just as much to blame because they want results and to get results you have to cheat, at least at this level. Cheaters never talk about maybe returning the money they won, that would make a difference in the decision to cheat for sure. Hamilton is probably a very nice person which makes it easier in the eyes of people to be a cheater, how could this nice young perfect America be a cheater? well he was. Have a nice day.
There's two types of dopers I just can't stomach, the 'oh well, who cares because we all did it so bite me' type and the 'poor me, I'm a victim of a bad childhood and evil competition'. Just come clean, get it of your chest, deal with it, take responsibility and then strive to be better. That's something I can understand and accept.
Two great parents that taught him the difference between right and wrong... He never would be saying any of this had he not been caught... I am sick of all these interviews and now Tyler is everywhere... lol! Tyler is now making money telling the truth....
Half truth. His collarbone likely wasn't broken. This is wwe. And let's not forget electric motors everywhere. Formula one and nascar and wwe. Fake broken bones for drama.
If he had won the TDF in 2004, then he would've still failed test and his title would've been taken away, and he wouldve started the ball rolling on lance's downfall then
Blood doping with your own blood shouldn't be illegal... it's your own blood! Certainly it takes a motivated transelvanian to do it but it's not like taking EPO and testosterone microdosing.
How do we stop this doping reality? Get rid of the “professional” title. The professional athlete is only exonerated by the system of non-athletic executives striving to make money off of the labors of others.
But it's not wrong if everyone in the peloton was doping and still are to this day? We as fans want to see amazing races you wouldnt get it with out the dope it would be boring. And there isn't a sport that's on tv with out dopers in anyways.
Ironic finding this after watching the exploits of EPOgacar at this year’s tour. And obviously it’s not just him in TDF and like Tyler says it’s not just Cycling… the whole lot are on the sauce. How are Olympic records set by dopers being broken now 🤣🤣🤣
Better bike technology and improved training methods have improved performance over time. Not sure if Pogacar is juiced but I think a top tier (clean) team leader today would beat Lance in his heyday, given advancements in equipment and training protocols
@@nengnengnengable no. Just no. Lance stated he could go about 450-470 watts for ~45 min. That is pretty hefty considering he pushes about 6.5-7 w/kg for that time. Give his then performance a new bike and he likely mobs the floor with pogacar :x
I find the guy seating on right too uptight he kind of listens accumulates and just spurts out too fast and too obvious questions. I just don't like it when he speaks.
As a forensic psychologist, after watching this I can see that Tyler Hamilton makes every excuse in the book for his lying, cheating and stealing behavior. He clearly wants to be famous and love for being the "penitent cheater" just as much as he was willing to lie and cheat in order to achieve success in cycling. Tyler, you need a lot of therapy with a clinician who has a lot of experience in dealing with offenders. Your victim stancing is pretty odious to watch. Get some good treatment before you start standing up in front of groups (who are interested in you only because you cheated) and spend time blaming others for your behavior.
Yes, Sean, I am just that fella! I was amazed at how much his presentation resembled that of unrecovered offenders I have dealt with in correctional settings for decades; conning, excuse-making, projecting. Truth is, he would be a lot more happy, probably, if he chose to take responsibility for his egregious actions and move on as an honest person, one day at a time. And BTW, truth-witnessing is not self-righteousness, it is simple authenticity, even if one is a sinner.
Tyler has been humbled. The difference between him and Lance is Tyler never tried to destroy others lives and careers.
Yes .. there is a difference between trying to "win" .... And "beating everyone "... 🤔
I agree. I’ve seen lots of interviews with Tyler and stories about him. Tyler doesn’t strike me as mean spirited, however, Lance is not only mean spirited, he’s vengeful, evil, manipulative, and has a sense of entitlement that’s off the charts.
Tyler and Lance are National Treasures 🤑 💰
a big thank you to TYLER for what he did about that era of cycling. with his truths, he cleaned up his mistakes, and will go down in history as one of the riders who spoke of ''true'' cycling. wonderful interview, greats! 🤩
Today, the meaning of clean is : I am not taking anything that others aren't taking.
I'm a serious cycling fan who has been following this story since it started. Great, great interview.
I don't believe a word Tyler says. I think the broken collarbone was fake. It would have cut him open. this is wwe. Pathological liars who want attention but have no useable skills whatsoever. Tyler hamilton is worthless at everything in life but pure climbing on a bicycle.
You know I came in here a big fan of Tyler Hamilton and his book but I might be leaving a subscriber of Sport show and these interviewers.
Amazing interview. Couldn't be more happy to have found this channel! You were pointed, and deliberate, and in telling his story allowed Tyler to see genuine support for clean behavior.
In America I believe "living in they grey" areas has eroded what should be healthy activities. There is virtually no sport that doesn't have dangerously driven athletes that end up crossing lines. Some of the sports however, curiously have noticeable lack of these failing moments, and you can't help but wonder if it isn't simply the institutions protecting the scheme more sophisticatedly.
Brilliant interview, my 11 year old son has his olympic poster on his wall as he loves taking cycling photos. completely agree we need riders to sit down and talk about the past as riders in 2018 have died and a under 23 team were done for doping, so sad nothing has changed
Electric motors are everywhere. Cycling is nascar or formula one. They choose the riders to win based on market demographics and areas for expansion. If your kid is korean or african he will be pushed to get many wins. Those are the expanding markets. If he's white american nobody cares, and he won't win because he won't expand the market.
Really great interview. You can see he is a decent guy who got caught up in it.
You cause someone is using ped don’t make them bad , specially if 5/6 are using it
I was at his 21st b/day… enjoyed burgers, beer and pool a few times. Seemed like a nice, quite, good guy.
It's kind of annoying that people treat Lance Armstrong like he invented doping. I'm not saying the guy's a saint, but guys were doping for years before Lance came along. David Walsh makes it seem like Lance was the only guy who had the perfect drug program. If it's so easy to dope and win, how come other guys didn't win more often? There has to be more to it than just doping.
Wow I’m late to this party!! But in any case I really enjoyed the show. Love the honesty. Love the interview style..
Second grand tour that Tyler completed with serious injury was Gire de Italia. He finished 2nd.
Yeah, the Giro is brutal as well. Not a Tour de France, but still.
Yep if he had eaten a something he would off won
First question for backwards is # so many cyclist that were involved in doping back in 1997 are now involved in cycling teams or commentary today so they will never come clean.
There's absolutely a whole lot that won't ever come clean, but quite a lot of those involved with new teams have come clean. I hope the ret comes clean, no matter if they are still in the sport in some way or not.
Only then may (MAY!) this sport recover and get back to what it should be.
professional sport never was and never will be clean. fact.
@@ONCEuponAtime999 or As clean as the rule allows ^_^
@@mikexhotmail what that even means ? So Armstrong was as clean as the rules allowed? U kidding me?
lance is ricky bobby, and tyler is kyle. Shake and bake
This is a prime example of why Armstrong and those cyclist of this time are still so relevant. Hate them or love them, it's wildly intriguing and we all come to the their table.
Good man Tyler, the truth wins and the bullies continue to suffer!
Yep.... Was my favourite and still is...
Tyler is a shitbag cheating fuckup
M Allen ur the Fug Hup fella.
@@SeanMacOirc you got the sniffles, poor guy
If they were all doping then its "even Steven." As long as they were on pretty much the same stuff then its equivalent to them being clean.
Great show! So glad I found this!! Can't wait to watch more of your shows.
Paniagua!!!! This was one of the better interviews with Tyler. First time we hear him talk about Floyd.
pane e aqua
Pão e água
pan y agua
Better interviews? Seriously. That guy was just babbling along, clearly not being informed at all. And his sidekick was waiting for lunch to arrive.
Good stuff lads, would love if more Tyler Hamilton’s came to the fore and exposed the undoubted use of drugs in pro sport.
Im down when people go against corruption, but when the guy is a rati only coming out after being caught it rubs me nthe wrong way..
Blood doping through extraction had been known since at least the 1970's. It was common enough practice by European long distance runners and even talked about quite openly during the '72 and '76 Olympics. I even remember the announcers talking about the feats of Lasse Viren and the rumors of his blood doping. Yes, back in those days it was talked about quite openly. It was not even against the rules back then. Why it took 30 years to outlaw this in cycling is a bit beyond me. There always has been and always will be certain people who will engineer new and improved ways to get better performance. I believe what we saw in cycling in the early 2000's will be infantile to what we will see in the future. Will genetic manipulation be a part of that? I would like to believe the majority of today's riders are clean and they probably are with the rules that are in place today. But technology will always outpace the testing and rules. It will be interesting to see what some of the best cyclists in the world today are doing to get their winning performances. Perhaps we will know in 10 more years?
I suggested earlier today on comments with an Armstrong documentary that the new crop are genetic doping. The performances are far too good and they aren't getting caught anymore. The game has evolved once again.
@@jamesrobert4106 they are obviously doing something to get these types of superior performances.
Considering the times haven’t changed since the “doping era” do you really think everyone is clean? If people were only using performance enhancing substances/ways for a decade or two there should be a jump on the graph for fastest times. Then it should come back down similarly to before the doping decades. Human evolution and bike technology hasn’t evolved that much.
There’s scientists making compounds that are undetectable. Look at the BALCO case. If the guy didn’t get greedy he or his athletes would’ve never been caught. Imagine how many other cases there of this going on. There’s just too much money and glory on the line to not try to cheat. The riders are getting faster and faster and I think we all know why. Sad but true
Very few tested positive even when everyone was doped, and uci and tour officials, team directors, doctors,etc had no reason to turn anyone in because it benefits everyone. Lance may not be the best judge,however, he never ever even implied he was very worried about getting caught. Nothing has changed, and doping wise nothing will change. Enjoy it and watch it, and hopefully it still makes you excited to ride and even race. If it doesnt ,then don’t watch, and dont waste time on it.
Amazing interview. Gotta hand it to all involved.
No, it didn't start in the 90's. But EPO took it to a completely different level.
I hold no judgement towards any of them (Lance as well, especially Lance) but I've always liked Tyler as a man wholesale. Great guy! I do truly believe that it'd help everyone involved and people that weren't. Kids wanting to get into sports today can't be niave. I don't think they are and that might be worse because they're already thinking about it. Plus, public education on things like testosterone would help out men who are on it not be stigmatized. I know a large group of vets that their lives have been DRAMATICALLY effected in all positive ways by taking it yet if they dare talk about it automatically they're seen as "doping".
Lance just did a podcast with Attia that was pretty good. It's kinda is what made me start watching these again.
Love Tyler Hamilton!!!
Great interview. I am now subscribed and am about to go purchase The Secret Race! Keep up the strong work lads!
Everyone wants to win, because it pays, Sponsorships won’t be given to the losers of any sport. Look at the Money in sport and Gambling. All sports are tarnished due to the amount of money is involved. Sorry bit late to the table, great show, well done to Tyler. Just about to sub👍🏻
Well in reality who wants to waste time if there is no way you are going to win or place near the top? If everyone else is doing this stuff and not getting caught then what is the incentive not to do it? That's the big problem. They only catch a small number of guys using PED's.
Its still sad that Operation Puerto is not made public by court. Too manny interest I guess.
Jann Ullrich on this show, please.
2:35, Magnolia Rd., S side of Boulder Canyon, east of Nederland, CO. I met Tyler very briefly about '95 just after he bought a home two doors down from mine in Ned. He told me he raced bicycles for Postal and I thought he meant the post office! I had no idea who he was. Kind of embarrassing to look back on that moment.
I'm in the process of reading his book now and am about ¾ of the way through. Excellent book for anyone not understanding the challenges faced by someone who wants to become a champion bike racer. It is a stressful, painful, brutal endeavor, both physically and mentally.
I'm guessing all those strings around his left wrist have some meaning.
Eddy Merckx said cycling was all about one’s ability to overcome pain. 😀
a lot of people didn't get caught. I am galician (northwestern Spain) and while I think Indurain for instance, was a super athlete, I don't understand why he never got caught. The cleanest major Tour (Vuelta or Giro, whatever) winner is Greg Lemond, since he possess a privileged body and a crazy max VO2
Just listening to his book on audio very good
As he alluded to, if he’d won the TDF in 2004 when he said he thought it was his best chance, it would have been an even bigger fall from grace.
I truly love to see Tyler on Lance’s podcast. Would be painful but amazing. If Van Halen can unite why can’t those two?
Van Halen united?
What would that achieve? Lance has no contrition.
@@rayerscarpensael2300 yes A Different Kind of Truth album. 2012.
Armstrong, the biggest cheat, liar, bully & disgrace ever in pro cycling history.
A vile individual who used others for his selfish self centred gains & then called them liars when they called him out.
Only later for them to be found out totally correct in calling him out.
Anyone who still supports the bully would obviously do the same as he, shame on every one of them.
@@tman5634 LOL what an idiot. They all cheated. And still do. How many kids did you save from cancer ?
Great interview lads, 👍
Tyler is a good guy.👍🏼
I like Tyler.... just one thing... there is no ways that cycling is clean. Team Sky / Ineos.... is a US Postal blue print
Agree just watch the cringe inducing interview if Wiggo talking about Lance and how clean Sky were …
Surprised they didn’t check them for EPO at the olympics
and now Trek is producing 12,500 + USD electric bikes which seem to the end product of a bike that Cancessara was accused of riding in one of the tours early tours of the 2000's I thinTrek was a sponsor of Cancellara then.
What is just as tragic is that we may be reading about Jan Ulrich sometime in the future
Read what exactly? If I remember correctly, he's already admitted to blood doping - can't remember if also epo and whatever else.
Id live to read a book by him though.
It's 2019 and you're just now understanding how dirty Herr Ullrich was?
@@jamisonr um no...Ulrich was dirty. What I was alluding to is that we'll be reading about his death due to the fact of his fall from grace. Same as Pantani, Vanderbrook, Jimenez, and some others that escape my memory.
He claims to not be fit. But those ex pros... they are what weekendroadwarriors can barely achieve when they train really really hard ;)) vo2 max is way above normal levels. No matter his riding volume ^^. love tyler. Great interview.
Question: without doping would the same athletes win?
Nope. A rider with natural hematocriet, like 48 vs a rider with natural hematocriet 38 but with stronger muscles. Dope them both with epo until the 50 percent rule. The 38 guy gonna win. He is stronger but natural would win the 48 guy
@@hardtech8931 Cheers for this analogy.
When friends tell me that Lance would have won anyway as they all cheated, I was always flabbergasted at the ignorance.
I have no idea of how good Lance would have been, I just know he never would have won 7 Tour De France.
@@hardtech8931 I know two guys that went to high school with him who were faster runners while they were in school together at Plano.
The point: ~27:35 “There were 210 riders that started the Tour De France, I’d be surprised if 5 were clean.”
Everyone was doping then and to have any chance of even competing you had no choice but to join in. Armstrong was the best and it was a level playing field. Team Sky claim they are totally clean, but we’ve since found out it’s probably impossible to win the tour de france totally clean even it’s through the use and abuse of tue’s. They might be within the rules, but far from being totally clean, just ask David Miller.
level playing field? Life isnt. And every single body reacts differently at medicines/doping. So....... doping has changed the game more as we like.
Yea, Lance was better. And they all wanted to win, or they wouldn't have all doped. Not condoning it, but it's the truth.
british cycling has been way to succesfull in the olympics. its the same with the vaughters team, ef education now, the clean label attracts sponsors, being actually clean and being pack filler on the other hand looses sponsors, sooo, clean image while still doping it is, thats what millar doesnt say right, what an hypocrite
It wasn't a level playing field, Tyler said that himself
@@thejoker6243 it never is face it. Bigger budgets , more altitude training camps, oxygen chambers, ketones, nutritionists, psychologists, race recon, etc . Are natural gifts unfair too, if you have a natural hematocrit of 55 should you be allowed to race or a natty test score of 1200. If you don't dope your are left behind no ifs ands or buts. To have a chance to compete you have to take part in the doping game, thats as true today as it was in 1999. Nothing anyone can do will ever change this reality and that goes for all pro sports not just cycling. Maybe its time to let go of childish illusions
Is the 60 mintues Inteview with Tyler Hamilton available?
Gian Paolo Zanconato - Netflix had an interesting review of Marco Pantani, but painted him as a victim of the culture. There's some truth to it, it predated MP & LA, but Lance fully embraced it more than others. Johan Bruyneel, Eddie, Borysewicz, Chris Carmichael, ..... have been pretty silent. Lance had MANY supporters who were complicit. It took a cast of characters for him to succeed. This includes up to UCI, they benefitted for the Lance story/hype too.
Of course you would have motor doped. I believe LA was motor doping and well ahead of the game in that sense.
I don't think they used motors at that point, I believe any and all pharma products and methods were used without a doubt but I don't think motors were in use at that point and if they were the tech was probably not advanced enough to hide without easily being found out for a number of reasons. The drug use is not unique to cycling in anyway but our sport has a spot light on it and the specific drugs used may be different but all sports are plagued by drugs
@@Phil-dx8rw cancellara. motor doped for sure. And a bunch pf others. I mean it's on video?...
That stage where lance was trying to give the win to Landis who could not get it done so Lance chased down Kloden. That just did not seem possible. I have always wondered of he was motor doping on that one.
How would they get away with that?? Motorised bikes that is??
They all doped!
no and not all at the same level.
DOPING IS DOPING
@@drefhill So u feel bad for those who weren't as good at doping? Lol.. if u cheat u cheat. If u aren't as good at cheating no one should feel bad for u.
@@telmolicious it cost a lot, most cyclists have modest incomes
@@beniaminosani2719 Including Lance.
Dude was broke, nobody wanted him, he just came back from cancer.
A lot of ppl had more money than him.
Tyler got a great story. It is good he got busted so we get to hear it.
I wonder what he thinks about cyclists in 2022 racing as fast as they did in his doping era? The thought was you couldn’t compete without doping so how are they racing so fast today?
Genetic doping. The business is always ahead of the testing regime.
Bike technology, diet, pre racefeeding, on the bike fuelling, recovery routines, team tactics and apparel technology has evolved since the Armstrong/Hamilton era immensely.
I remember racing in the 80’s and being told “it’s the man not the machine.” 😂
How do you spell chimera?
39:15 This Lance hehe. Talking about his motivation to win.
I believe his says “was Lance”.
The fact that there was sabotage within their own teams is what is disheartenting to me.
Some of Armstrong's own team mates were good enough to beat him but the team heirarchy made sure it was Armstrong for the benefit of his brand that was the one to finish first.
I guess there are two ways to play it when you get caught cheating full scale: downplay it like Lance or play up your repentance and continue milking the fact like Tyler. The shame is these guys don’t have the courage to walk away from the sport the first time they face the music.
They don't admit their electric motor use. 50,000 inspections and zero positives? One u-23 in twenty years of lithium batteries and motors? Give me a break. It's not even bike racing. It's nascar or formula one. It's about access to motors. Doping doesn't even work, and thats the real elephant in the room. So many studies show no improvement from doping, or even decreases. Every rider has either a hub motor or bottom bracket motor . When they open bottom brackets they do it in a closed tent. What a joke.
Did he return all the money he gain during that time
It’s kind of weird how obsessed with Lance Armstrong you are
Lance is still lying. The most important question he has never answered is WHEN DID YOU START DOPING? I am sure that he started doping with steroids in his late teenage years. He beat the best triathletes in the world at 17... impossible. There was a doping program in place at the Olympic Training Center at the time he was there....
i dont know about triathlon but Armstrong was very poor at his first 3 Tour de Frances which tells me he wasnt doping.
@@TobiasImmerstein-tm3gp like every other spor. even amateur sport is dirty. its just nature of human beings. to lie to cheat to win at all cost ; )
Truth Matters no just not on epo at that point hence struggled in 3 week tours. He was on other stuff then until he got on epo in 1994/95
He stated he first tried drugs to give him an edge in 1991, and fully doped on a program in 1993. If i recall correctly
In the ESPN documentary he said that he first doped at 21 years of age.
Something that gets overlooked is so obvious. If it is a positive quality for each blood cell to carry more oxygen why don't they? It makes the blood thicker and harder to pump. This results in larger hearts to handle the increased pressure required, but at night when there there is no no need for the blood delivery required during the day, the heart beats much slower and tends (sometimes) to stop. Abusers of EPO tend to die in their sleep - Marco Pantani comes to mind.
@@bradfordlibby9118 thank you .. that was his cause of death
Pantani died of heart stoppage. He was a known EPO user. EPO set him up to die of a heart attack. He was dying to win and his wish was granted. F*** with evolution at your peril.
@@TheFarmanimalfriend was he a known cocaine drug user ?
Pantani fell into a depression after he was disqualified for high hematocrit levels and was unable to compete in the TDF and Giro by the UCI. Velonews and Wikipedia have been quoted along with the Italian paparazzi/news organizations not to mention that his autopsy confirmed that he died of "acute cocaine poisoning" in 2004, was he a known habitual abuser of the Bolivian marching powder I don't know. But he was dogged for a long while about PED use.
Sadly, Marco Pantani died from an overdose after suffering depression after getting caught doping causing a high hematocrit level.
But a lot of people in the bike sports have been killed in their sleep by thick blood due to epo and whatever else. And also it's not uncommon for a few to die from overdoses on other things than 'just' doping.
Became a bigger fan of Tyler during this interview.
However it seems the reporter has a huge hard-on for trying to make a name for himself by eventually cornering Armstrong. He should instead to do good interviews like he did with Tyler.
These irish guys should show a bit more respect to these world class athletes instead of calling them "cheats" and "bad dopers"
It appears as though Tyler hesitates and thinks before he speaks. He’s still careful about saying TOO much.
Agreed! He's come clean about himself and that's it. He's unwilling to talk about other teams and how it's still big in cycling today. The guy really just dances around the questions.
@@buckroger6456 as he should. rule no1= dont rat on your friends!
@@cypriano8763 you have no real friends in those types of environments.
The best men didn't win because they were better dopers. The best men won because they were the best athletes due to the best training, tactics, bikes, bodies, etc. The dope factors out!
u haven't a clue
Without cheaiing Hamilton would never have been heard of. I can't understand why people have compassion for a cheater. Why not interview people who don't cheat? Non-cheaters should be at the top of all sports but fans are just as much to blame because they want results and to get results you have to cheat, at least at this level. Cheaters never talk about maybe returning the money they won, that would make a difference in the decision to cheat for sure. Hamilton is probably a very nice person which makes it easier in the eyes of people to be a cheater, how could this nice young perfect America be a cheater? well he was. Have a nice day.
Can learn how to combat doping by having input from admitted dopers. As they say you can't bs a bullshitter.
Maybe have 2 separate categories. Dope free cyclists and then cyclists who like a little something extra!! Is that possible?? Genuine question??
Tyler is hot- inside and out!
Tyler is visibly uncomfortable, and maybe even bored, being asked all these Lance Armstrong questions.
obviously a normal dude with a healthy conscience compared to you know who...
Bit low to accuse Lance of mechanical doping without a shred of proof. Poor form.
There's two types of dopers I just can't stomach, the 'oh well, who cares because we all did it so bite me' type and the 'poor me, I'm a victim of a bad childhood and evil competition'.
Just come clean, get it of your chest, deal with it, take responsibility and then strive to be better. That's something I can understand and accept.
If Tyler and Lance hadn’t been busted, they would be living large, laughing with their secret. Tyler is BS. He loved doping, the money, and prestige.
Two great parents that taught him the difference between right and wrong... He never would be saying any of this had he not been caught... I am sick of all these interviews and now Tyler is everywhere... lol! Tyler is now making money telling the truth....
Half truth. His collarbone likely wasn't broken. This is wwe. And let's not forget electric motors everywhere. Formula one and nascar and wwe. Fake broken bones for drama.
Had Tyler won a TDF, lance would have kept all of his.
Very true..
If he had won the TDF in 2004, then he would've still failed test and his title would've been taken away, and he wouldve started the ball rolling on lance's downfall then
I think he’s totally stoned. 😂You guys? He’s not right. Seems tormented still. Poor Tyler. Lance is the worst!
Blood doping with your own blood shouldn't be illegal... it's your own blood! Certainly it takes a motivated transelvanian to do it but it's not like taking EPO and testosterone microdosing.
Doping is part of cycling, its just some people believe its cheating. Well its not. X
How do we stop this doping reality? Get rid of the “professional” title. The professional athlete is only exonerated by the system of non-athletic executives striving to make money off of the labors of others.
Eoin needs to shorten his questions.
I trust tyler... Lance ... no
Wow the interviewee called Tyler a cheat! None of those guys who doped were cheats, period
But it's not wrong if everyone in the peloton was doping and still are to this day? We as fans want to see amazing races you wouldnt get it with out the dope it would be boring. And there isn't a sport that's on tv with out dopers in anyways.
Ironic finding this after watching the exploits of EPOgacar at this year’s tour. And obviously it’s not just him in TDF and like Tyler says it’s not just Cycling… the whole lot are on the sauce. How are Olympic records set by dopers being broken now 🤣🤣🤣
Better bike technology and improved training methods have improved performance over time. Not sure if Pogacar is juiced but I think a top tier (clean) team leader today would beat Lance in his heyday, given advancements in equipment and training protocols
@@nengnengnengable no. Just no. Lance stated he could go about 450-470 watts for ~45 min. That is pretty hefty considering he pushes about 6.5-7 w/kg for that time. Give his then performance a new bike and he likely mobs the floor with pogacar :x
It’s biologically impossible to finish the TDF or Giro or Vuelta with the same level of hematocrit as at the start without juicing.
@@JosesAmazingWorlds Same for testosterone.
I find the guy seating on right too uptight he kind of listens accumulates and just spurts out too fast and too obvious questions. I just don't like it when he speaks.
As a forensic psychologist, after watching this I can see that Tyler Hamilton makes every excuse in the book for his lying, cheating and stealing behavior. He clearly wants to be famous and love for being the "penitent cheater" just as much as he was willing to lie and cheat in order to achieve success in cycling. Tyler, you need a lot of therapy with a clinician who has a lot of experience in dealing with offenders. Your victim stancing is pretty odious to watch. Get some good treatment before you start standing up in front of groups (who are interested in you only because you cheated) and spend time blaming others for your behavior.
Cool story bro
Michael Murphy so ur the self righteous fella! Those without sin comes to mind.
Yes, Sean, I am just that fella! I was amazed at how much his presentation resembled that of unrecovered offenders I have dealt with in correctional settings for decades; conning, excuse-making, projecting. Truth is, he would be a lot more happy, probably, if he chose to take responsibility for his egregious actions and move on as an honest person, one day at a time. And BTW, truth-witnessing is not self-righteousness, it is simple authenticity, even if one is a sinner.
if you have colin k. doll in your house i'm out....see ya!!
Nothing new here. The interviewers are pretty bad, especially when they try to speak for Tyler
A year later no Comments or likes, how does that make you feel?
Go USA👌 Even the president got covid so things must be great 🤣
There’s no reason to forgive Lance. He should’ve been incarcerated. He was let off easy. His crimes are still effecting cycling.
the cry baby of all dopers
how old are you ? 15 ? mentally for sure
He never forgave Lance, he still sends him threats with dupe email accounts and trolls by negatively commenting under every youtube about Lance. .
What proof do you have to support these claims?
@@christopherfarmer3751 You've just proved it.