My wife and I were on a 737 and before takeoff the flight attendant made a large group of men move from the back of the plane to the front. They argued with her until she told them that the plane would not move until they did and if they continue to refuse they would be kicked off the plane.
Weights and balance.very common. Too much cargo in an area,must move weight in aircraft. I've moved pax.capt says no one during takeoff in rows 5-9 must move weight. Just during takeoff,once u are in the air, can move back to original seat. No big deal. If u don't oblige,off the plane. No crashes allowed
Flight Attendant: Gentlemen, I'll have to ask you to move up into first class for this flight. Men: We're not moving to no first class seats up front! We paid for absolute economy and we're sticking with it!
As a flight test engineer that works with weight and balance on a daily basis, a 40% AFT CG is absolutely insane. Thank God they had the tail strike and knew to abort right away, since if they got airborne the aircraft would be nearly impossible to control.
It is ludicrous to say that the passengers caused this accident. It was the ramp agents who didn't balance the plane who caused it. The only way the passengers could cause it would be to get out of their seats and all run to the rear of the plane
I could be wrong but I consider cause and blame to be two different words here so I would argue that indeed the passengers did or were the cause of the accident as literally The passengers Weight and balance was one of the major causal factors , however the passengers were not to blame in other words. It was not their fault. It was a ramp agents fault but it was still, the cause , irrespective of that fact, that’s my thoughts anyway basically more English and interpretation than anything LOL
@ the flight attendants should’ve told the flight crew - the flight attendants would have no practical way of knowing where the C of C was in relation to the chord line
@ hundred percent me too but I was just meaning when it was so obviously poorly loaded with so many passengers that the flight attendants should’ve seen the flight deck crew as it would need much more formal weight and balance calculations than just shifting a few passengers here and there using your eye and general knowledge for a guide
Aboard a submarine, the Chief of the Watch (COW) owns the Ballast Control Panel and is responsible for maintaining the trim of the boat. A newly-qualified COW could expect to be confronted by a 'trim party' consisting of 30+ shipmates moving as quickly and quietly (we wore sneakers) as possible from one end of the boat to the other. The U.S. Navy runs on tradition.
This issue is far more serious than the tail strike. When the center of gravity is not slightly forward of the center of lift, the aircraft is unsafe. Illustrated all too well by the 747 Crash at Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan. Once the cargo broke free from restraint, the 747 became nose high and could not recover from the wing stall. All on board were killed. Many blame damage to control actuators in the tail but that is secondary to so much weight moving aft. Damage to control actuators was possible post impact
Bagram....That should have been a learning event for all pilots, but was not. The recovery maneuver is to immediately roll the aircraft over to get the nose down through the horizon. Weight shift or not...that's all you have. Of course just wait a few moments and see what the aircraft does...it rolls over. Same thing happened in Charlotte with the Beech 1900. Nose high and unable to push it over, you have to roll it over.
Another lesson from the Sioux City United and Azerbaijan accidents...Don't land on short landing strips when control of the aircraft is in doubt. United had 100 miles of I-80 but chose 2 mile long runway.
Unfortunately theres a saying, a nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane flies once. Theres no room for complacency in commercial aviation, souls on board, and all their families, then citizens on the ground. There are strict rules for very good reason, sadly, MOST WERE WRITTEN IN BLOOD
I was on a Garuda B747-200 from Jakarta to Bali that had large heavy pots of palm trees loaded in the passenger cabin's aisles. It was tail heavy, with most seats taken. Somehow with a full throttle takeoff it was tail strike free but could not land in Bali. So after a go around they made all the passengers get out of their seats and stand as far forward as possible. Scary landing with the nose wheel taking half the runway to com down. After that Garuda lost landing rights in Australia!
Better cabin crew training you think? Forty five years ago, I was a ticket agent for an airline and even I was taught the basics of weight and balance in an aircraft. Duhhhhhh!!!
The cabin crew would have no idea where the luggage and cargo were loaded or how much fuel was on board and in what tanks. 6:06 . They only move passengers when instructed to. They would have no idea where the CG was.
Recently I was on a flight on a Boeing 737max 8 and the plane was half empty, the flight attendants told us too spread-out because of weight and balance issues, and if we didn't, they would move people around, well they didn't have to move anyone around as we all spread-out on our own!! a little common sense can go a long way! And as far as that flight in Argentina, those flight attendants should have known better!! WTH!!!
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I am Argentine, I am not surprised that they make these mistakes, but it is poor corporate management. In fact, Flybondi is one of the 10 worst airlines in the world due to the number of flight cancellations, which often exceed the number of effective flights.
@tarkus07 yes, it's kind of scary that as recently as 2018 this airline did not have controls in place to distribute the passengers/cargo properly. Glad they updated their protocol, albeit too late for this flight.
Apart from the inadequate handling of cargo, the main responsibility here is of the cabin crew. The sentence “please sit on your assigned seats for takeoff; you may change seat when we are at cruise altitude” is a mantra I heard endless times, and for a reason. If passengers (unaware: it’s not their job to know this) just decided to sit wherever they liked, and the crew did not order them to sit where their boarding pass said nor they alerted the captain about this, here we go.
If all the passengers are seated at the back, the FAs should have known that would throw the center of gravity way off. Had this plane taken off, it would have shot up to 2000 feet, stalled almost vertical, and then turned over nose down into a smoking hole in the ground.
Blaming the passengers is stupid. Passengers are self-loading cargo. The flight crew is culpable because safety of flight is their job, and weight and balance is on the checklist. If nobody checks, it's just a list.
Without calculations this remains a matter of common sense; wonder how hosts did not alert the captain to this matter or enforce proper distribution by themselves if passengers made their own seats choice !!
Had this happen to me in Dallas. A load of Air Force chaps all sat in the back leaving the front of the aircraft totally empty. B737 with wing mounted engines and tail heavy. 1992 DFW
@@StevenG222 Flight Attendants let them move...this occurred after the British Airways 737 accident. All passengers up front perished. Engine burner can exploded B737
My question is who approved the weight and balance form. How did the crew set the stab trim for take off. Lots of holes in this Swiss cheese? This is kind of silly stuff that creates the media to publish all kinds of nonsensical articles of miss information.
I am impressed that you always find an appropriate livery for your videos, even if they are minor carriers. In the description of your videos, would it be possible to mention or link the MSFS aircraft model used in the video? Flight sim fans might appreciate it.
@@MPCFlights Do you always use Prepar3D? - i didn't think there were was such a variety of aircraft models available for it. I did guess this was the PMDG 737 model , i just thought you were running in it MSFS. I am interested in the Flight Sim aircraft models and liveries aspect as much as the historical information which is why I was asking.
Blaming the flight attendants is a bit harsh, though - if ALL the passengers were allocated ticket seats at the back during booking, the attendants probably should have informed the pilot of such a strange arrangement. The pilot might then respond, "Thanks for mentioning that, it is OK though, we are using ghe passengers to offset a massive transformer we are cargoing to our destination which is in the forward hold!" From the video it does however seem that the flight attendants did NOT ensure passengers sat in their allocated seats.. nor notice they were bunched at the tail.
I've lived in Argentina for a few years now. All I know about this airline is that it's cheap and its flights are always behind schedule. I'm not inclined to use it.
Sounds to me that the seat assignment chart showing which seats are occupied should be fed to the airplane’s computers. The airplane could create warnings to the pilot based on calculations it performs using average weights for each passenger.
This seems to be an airline policy problem, where certain employees (ramp agents/flight attendants) who should realize they're responsible for monitoring cargo/passenger distribution are either woefully irresponsible in carrying out their duty in this area, or have not been sufficiently trained to do so. Even that, however, doesn't explain how the SEVERE imbalance depicted in that diagram didn't come to someone's attention. Thanks for this wonderful vid!
I worked as a ramp rat and when loading your luggage mail and freight your are on the walkie talkie with weight and balance, end of story , you never load a plane with out weight being constantly calculated by weight and balance dept so you dont get lopsided and crash.
Interesting, but the long taxi sequence could have been shortened. It seemed unnecessary and boring. Is there some kind of an award for keeping unnecessary video and narrative fluff in the clip as long as possible?
The taxi sequence is normal in these types of videos, so as to detail who is flying the plane, how many people on board, etc. I guess not unnecessary and boring to some people.
@@leannaerickson9745not my video. This one does seem more fluffed because the actual flight is short, so the taxi sequence is 43% of the video. There is no award for this but I suspect youtubers extend the video for more air time, which perhaps improves their channel metrics and maybe their monetization.
The cabin crew would have no idea where the CG was. They have no idea how the luggage, cargo, and fuel were loaded or how much of all three were loaded. They only move passengers when instructed to do so by the pilots, and they won't until the ground crew give then their final numbers.
I’ve often thought if an aircraft loses pitch command and is pitching down such as the Alaskan DC9 crash would it be possible to get the passengers to the back of the aircraft to attempt to balance the aircraft and the use the engines (speed) to ascend or descend? I’m not suggesting it would be easy but maybe worth a shot?
Is that right, if everybody moves to the back of a plane, the weight will make the front rise? I find that a bit scary, I never knew airliners were so finely balanced for passenger weight.
Wow ! , if it was for the passengers own decision such a dangerous one. Airlines never show the danger of doing so in the video briefings not while showing you how to use the seat belt or life jacket. They probably should. Hard to believe that flight attendants didn't notice.
I used to get to fly in jump seats a little bit and I can remember one captain saying to me ha ha my coffee isn’t far away now! and I said how do you know? he said look and pointed the electric trim wheel. See how it’s rotating quite quickly now that means the trolley and the flight attendant is getting close to the flight deck.! so movement of weight in One Direction certainly can alter an aircraft characteristics of flight
@@malcolmwhite6588 I can see that making more sense in a plane with not so few pax, but either way, a trolley fully loaded is not precisely low weighted
I find the idea that passengers went to the rear voluntarily, strange. Here in Europe people pay extra to sit near the front. If you have a choice and didn't have bladder issues, why sit next to the toilets?
What I will never understand is how there are no sensors at each of the wheels to tell how much weight is on each wheel. Trucks have pressure gauges for the airbags and can tell if there is too much weight on the truck axles or trailer axles. Image if the pilots could see on the ground that the front landing gear has no weight on it. Or scales under the wheels at the gate like at a truck weigh scale. It seems so simple.
@@tylerduchesneau Some systems exist but there are a host of issues as far as certification, maintenance, calibration etc.. Also, the company needs to be appraised of all aspects of the loading, not just what the final numbers are. In a well constructed operation, the different departments and computer programs work almost seamlessly. The load has to be planned well before loading commences. The process starts days before as the load is sized against bookings and historic data. It just keeps getting refined the closer to departure one gets. I’m referring to large carriers in this. Smaller ones can and do remote weight, balance and performance calculations. But again, with a well constructed standardized system the problems are few. The biggest problem with the dispersed systems is the human factor that will fudge things to make them work.
Please do not step to the rear of the aircraft. I've now watched enough videos like this that had I been aboard that flight I would've raised the alarm and asked the flight attendant to move people forward. Of course, here in the US they would likely have thrown me off the plane and put me on the no-fly list.
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Fundamentally impossible The aircraft has rotated for take off for a tail strike to occur. => it's at VR beyond V1 at which point it can't abort. It is committed to takeoff, then circle back to runway and land again.
It's very hard to understand here why most of the weight (passengers and cargo) were loaded in the back of this airplane. When the load sheet was presented to the pilot, there should've been enough time prior to takeoff to find a discrepancy here. When weight and balance becomes an issue, then the pilots can't ultimately fly the airplane right. The rightful thing to do was to abort the takeoff roll.
It was probably the GREEDY AIRLINE that charged passengers EXORBITANT FEES to sit up front, so they all chose the “free” seats, and the airline didn’t give a F to check this!!!
Crews fault - correct. Computer error - unknown if seats were chosen in advance by airline, chosen in advance by passengers or chosen by passengers as they boarded.
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Stupidity ! The flight attendants should have directed the passengers where to sit &/or the seat assignments should have been set before boarding. Also, just like on a ship the captain should have checked the seat plan before starting the engines.
It had NOTHING to do with weight, the Capt. ALWAY's checks the weight distribution, which is on his pre-flight check-off, list, the FACT, is the Capt. had too steep, of an "Angle Of Attack", look it up.
My wife and I were on a 737 and before takeoff the flight attendant made a large group of men move from the back of the plane to the front. They argued with her until she told them that the plane would not move until they did and if they continue to refuse they would be kicked off the plane.
They should have had an invitation to the flight deck to see why they were needed to be relocated. Seeing is believing in this case.
Have you ever seen a plane that has tipped while loading payload on the ramp?
Weights and balance.very common. Too much cargo in an area,must move weight in aircraft. I've moved pax.capt says no one during takeoff in rows 5-9 must move weight. Just during takeoff,once u are in the air, can move back to original seat. No big deal. If u don't oblige,off the plane. No crashes allowed
@@pa600acargo.weights and balance issues. Show u, show u off plane if you don't comply
Flight Attendant: Gentlemen, I'll have to ask you to move up into first class for this flight.
Men: We're not moving to no first class seats up front! We paid for absolute economy and we're sticking with it!
As a flight test engineer that works with weight and balance on a daily basis, a 40% AFT CG is absolutely insane. Thank God they had the tail strike and knew to abort right away, since if they got airborne the aircraft would be nearly impossible to control.
It is ludicrous to say that the passengers caused this accident. It was the ramp agents who didn't balance the plane who caused it. The only way the passengers could cause it would be to get out of their seats and all run to the rear of the plane
I could be wrong but I consider cause and blame to be two different words here so I would argue that indeed the passengers did or were the cause of the accident as literally The passengers Weight and balance was one of the major causal factors , however the passengers were not to blame in other words. It was not their fault. It was a ramp agents fault but it was still, the cause , irrespective of that fact, that’s my thoughts anyway basically more English and interpretation than anything LOL
the flight attendants should have moved the passengers to balance the plane
@ the flight attendants should’ve told the flight crew - the flight attendants would have no practical way of knowing where the C of C was in relation to the chord line
@janibeg3247 I have been moved forward by flight attendants to balance the plane in the past, but keep in mind this is a South American airline.
@ hundred percent me too but I was just meaning when it was so obviously poorly loaded with so many passengers that the flight attendants should’ve seen the flight deck crew as it would need much more formal weight and balance calculations than just shifting a few passengers here and there using your eye and general knowledge for a guide
Aboard a submarine, the Chief of the Watch (COW) owns the Ballast Control Panel and is responsible for maintaining the trim of the boat. A newly-qualified COW could expect to be confronted by a 'trim party' consisting of 30+ shipmates moving as quickly and quietly (we wore sneakers) as possible from one end of the boat to the other.
The U.S. Navy runs on tradition.
The flight attendants should’ve noticed most of the passengers were in the back. You don’t need to be a pilot to know that’s a bad idea.
Agreed. That imbalance was so extreme it's hard to believe it wasn't noticed and dealt with.
Flight attendants were likely not trained for that considering the carrier allowed self seating, their job is to ensure everyone IS seated.
@@donscheid97 So technically they're off the hook, but common sense-wise, not so much.
This issue is far more serious than the tail strike. When the center of gravity is not slightly forward of the center of lift, the aircraft is unsafe. Illustrated all too well by the 747 Crash at Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan. Once the cargo broke free from restraint, the 747 became nose high and could not recover from the wing stall. All on board were killed.
Many blame damage to control actuators in the tail but that is secondary to so much weight moving aft. Damage to control actuators was possible post impact
Bagram....That should have been a learning event for all pilots, but was not. The recovery maneuver is to immediately roll the aircraft over to get the nose down through the horizon. Weight shift or not...that's all you have. Of course just wait a few moments and see what the aircraft does...it rolls over. Same thing happened in Charlotte with the Beech 1900. Nose high and unable to push it over, you have to roll it over.
Another lesson from the Sioux City United and Azerbaijan accidents...Don't land on short landing strips when control of the aircraft is in doubt. United had 100 miles of I-80 but chose 2 mile long runway.
Good call by the Captain to reject the take-off.
It was the Captains Fault.
It wouldn't have made sense if the Captain hadn't rejected the take-off.
Unfortunately theres a saying, a nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane flies once. Theres no room for complacency in commercial aviation, souls on board, and all their families, then citizens on the ground. There are strict rules for very good reason, sadly, MOST WERE WRITTEN IN BLOOD
I was on a Garuda B747-200 from Jakarta to Bali that had large heavy pots of palm trees loaded in the passenger cabin's aisles. It was tail heavy, with most seats taken. Somehow with a full throttle takeoff it was tail strike free but could not land in Bali. So after a go around they made all the passengers get out of their seats and stand as far forward as possible. Scary landing with the nose wheel taking half the runway to com down. After that Garuda lost landing rights in Australia!
Better cabin crew training you think? Forty five years ago, I was a ticket agent for an airline and even I was taught the basics of weight and balance in an aircraft. Duhhhhhh!!!
yes its logic, even without any knowledge or experience,
The cabin crew would have no idea where the luggage and cargo were loaded or how much fuel was on board and in what tanks. 6:06 . They only move passengers when instructed to. They would have no idea where the CG was.
MCP Flights. To the point videos. I like the format.
Recently I was on a flight on a Boeing 737max 8 and the plane was half empty, the flight attendants told us too spread-out because of weight and balance issues, and if we didn't, they would move people around, well they didn't have to move anyone around as we all spread-out on our own!! a little common sense can go a long way! And as far as that flight in Argentina, those flight attendants should have known better!! WTH!!!
That’s because the greedy airlines charge exorbitant fees to sit up front. That’s on the airlines!!!
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I hope the flight attendants were more mindful of where passengers sat in the future. Good video, thank you very much for sharing MPC.
I am Argentine, I am not surprised that they make these mistakes, but it is poor corporate management. In fact, Flybondi is one of the 10 worst airlines in the world due to the number of flight cancellations, which often exceed the number of effective flights.
@tarkus07 yes, it's kind of scary that as recently as 2018 this airline did not have controls in place to distribute the passengers/cargo properly. Glad they updated their protocol, albeit too late for this flight.
Apart from the inadequate handling of cargo, the main responsibility here is of the cabin crew. The sentence “please sit on your assigned seats for takeoff; you may change seat when we are at cruise altitude” is a mantra I heard endless times, and for a reason. If passengers (unaware: it’s not their job to know this) just decided to sit wherever they liked, and the crew did not order them to sit where their boarding pass said nor they alerted the captain about this, here we go.
Great, Thanks, something new to worry about….ill be checking the safe distribution of passengers on all future flights.
Yes, my feeling too. I find this problem particularly disturbing, yikes!
If all the passengers are seated at the back, the FAs should have known that would throw the center of gravity way off.
Had this plane taken off, it would have shot up to 2000 feet, stalled almost vertical, and then turned over nose down into a smoking hole in the ground.
Blaming the passengers is stupid. Passengers are self-loading cargo.
The flight crew is culpable because safety of flight is their job, and weight and balance is on the checklist. If nobody checks, it's just a list.
Exactly but blame and cause are two different meanings. Nobody blame the passengers but they were indeed the cause their weight was the causal factor.
I wonder if this is the reason some of the discount carriers have done away with open passenger seating.
This and to charge for seat selection
Without calculations this remains a matter of common sense; wonder how hosts did not alert the captain to this matter or enforce proper distribution by themselves if passengers made their own seats choice !!
Just a suggestion: when you tell us the engine type and model, why not tell us the thrust rating also? It would be interesting to know.
The captain is in charge of the aircraft including the weight and balance. Not only passengers but fuel distribution and cargo.
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How come the photos shows the scratches nowhere near the skid plate or whatever its called much further back?
Had this happen to me in Dallas. A load of Air Force chaps all sat in the back leaving the front of the aircraft totally empty. B737 with wing mounted engines and tail heavy. 1992 DFW
Where was the loadmaster?
@@StevenG222 Flight Attendants let them move...this occurred after the British Airways 737 accident. All passengers up front perished. Engine burner can exploded B737
That’s be the government folks had the cheap seats in the back!!!!
My question is who approved the weight and balance form. How did the crew set the stab trim for take off.
Lots of holes in this Swiss cheese?
This is kind of silly stuff that creates the media to publish all kinds of nonsensical articles of miss information.
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Wouldn’t seating be allocated at check in then monitored by the cabin crew?
No!!! They want to CHARGE the customers EXTRA to sit up front, EVEN IF ITS A SAFETY HAZARD!!!!
I am impressed that you always find an appropriate livery for your videos, even if they are minor carriers. In the description of your videos, would it be possible to mention or link the MSFS aircraft model used in the video? Flight sim fans might appreciate it.
The sim I used in this vid is P3D and the model is the PMDG 737
@@MPCFlights Do you always use Prepar3D? - i didn't think there were was such a variety of aircraft models available for it. I did guess this was the PMDG 737 model , i just thought you were running in it MSFS. I am interested in the Flight Sim aircraft models and liveries aspect as much as the historical information which is why I was asking.
Blaming the flight attendants is a bit harsh, though - if ALL the passengers were allocated ticket seats at the back during booking, the attendants probably should have informed the pilot of such a strange arrangement.
The pilot might then respond, "Thanks for mentioning that, it is OK though, we are using ghe passengers to offset a massive transformer we are cargoing to our destination which is in the forward hold!"
From the video it does however seem that the flight attendants did NOT ensure passengers sat in their allocated seats.. nor notice they were bunched at the tail.
I've lived in Argentina for a few years now. All I know about this airline is that it's cheap and its flights are always behind schedule. I'm not inclined to use it.
Sounds to me that the seat assignment chart showing which seats are occupied should be fed to the airplane’s computers. The airplane could create warnings to the pilot based on calculations it performs using average weights for each passenger.
This seems to be an airline policy problem, where certain employees (ramp agents/flight attendants) who should realize they're responsible for monitoring cargo/passenger distribution are either woefully irresponsible in carrying out their duty in this area, or have not been sufficiently trained to do so. Even that, however, doesn't explain how the SEVERE imbalance depicted in that diagram didn't come to someone's attention. Thanks for this wonderful vid!
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Not that I mind it, I kinda prefer it infact, but why the sudden switchback to P3D instead of XP11?
I worked as a ramp rat and when loading your luggage mail and freight your are on the walkie talkie with weight and balance, end of story , you never load a plane with out weight being constantly calculated by weight and balance dept so you dont get lopsided and crash.
Interesting, but the long taxi sequence could have been shortened. It seemed unnecessary and boring. Is there some kind of an award for keeping unnecessary video and narrative fluff in the clip as long as possible?
The taxi sequence is normal in these types of videos, so as to detail who is flying the plane, how many people on board, etc. I guess not unnecessary and boring to some people.
@@Tomsnothere Thank you for your explanation. I find many videos stuffed and fluffed. It's your video. Carry on.
@@leannaerickson9745not my video. This one does seem more fluffed because the actual flight is short, so the taxi sequence is 43% of the video. There is no award for this but I suspect youtubers extend the video for more air time, which perhaps improves their channel metrics and maybe their monetization.
@@Tomsnothere Thanks. Sorry, I'm not very techy.
Double tap on the right hand of the screen advances by 10 seconds. Keep doing this until you get to takeoff.
The cabin crew would have no idea where the CG was. They have no idea how the luggage, cargo, and fuel were loaded or how much of all three were loaded. They only move passengers when instructed to do so by the pilots, and they won't until the ground crew give then their final numbers.
I’ve often thought if an aircraft loses pitch command and is pitching down such as the Alaskan DC9 crash would it be possible to get the passengers to the back of the aircraft to attempt to balance the aircraft and the use the engines (speed) to ascend or descend?
I’m not suggesting it would be easy but maybe worth a shot?
Is that right, if everybody moves to the back of a plane, the weight will make the front rise? I find that a bit scary, I never knew airliners were so finely balanced for passenger weight.
Wow ! , if it was for the passengers own decision such a dangerous one. Airlines never show the danger of doing so in the video briefings not while showing you how to use the seat belt or life jacket. They probably should.
Hard to believe that flight attendants didn't notice.
I used to get to fly in jump seats a little bit and I can remember one captain saying to me ha ha my coffee isn’t far away now! and I said how do you know? he said look and pointed the electric trim wheel. See how it’s rotating quite quickly now that means the trolley and the flight attendant is getting close to the flight deck.! so movement of weight in One Direction certainly can alter an aircraft characteristics of flight
@@malcolmwhite6588 I can see that making more sense in a plane with not so few pax, but either way, a trolley fully loaded is not precisely low weighted
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My thinking is that many of the passengers thought that sitting towards the rear of the aircraft was safer in the event of a crash.
It is.
NO!!!! It’s because airlines CHARGE EXTRA TO SIT UP FRONT!!!!
Skilled Captain. Congratulations.
The passengers cannot be blamed. The airline is culpable if they did not properly disperse passengers and cargo for safe weight and balance.
I find the idea that passengers went to the rear voluntarily, strange. Here in Europe people pay extra to sit near the front. If you have a choice and didn't have bladder issues, why sit next to the toilets?
What I will never understand is how there are no sensors at each of the wheels to tell how much weight is on each wheel. Trucks have pressure gauges for the airbags and can tell if there is too much weight on the truck axles or trailer axles. Image if the pilots could see on the ground that the front landing gear has no weight on it. Or scales under the wheels at the gate like at a truck weigh scale. It seems so simple.
@@tylerduchesneau Some systems exist but there are a host of issues as far as certification, maintenance, calibration etc.. Also, the company needs to be appraised of all aspects of the loading, not just what the final numbers are. In a well constructed operation, the different departments and computer programs work almost seamlessly. The load has to be planned well before loading commences. The process starts days before as the load is sized against bookings and historic data. It just keeps getting refined the closer to departure one gets. I’m referring to large carriers in this. Smaller ones can and do remote weight, balance and performance calculations. But again, with a well constructed standardized system the problems are few. The biggest problem with the dispersed systems is the human factor that will fudge things to make them work.
Please do not step to the rear of the aircraft. I've now watched enough videos like this that had I been aboard that flight I would've raised the alarm and asked the flight attendant to move people forward. Of course, here in the US they would likely have thrown me off the plane and put me on the no-fly list.
Trying to place blame to someone else and not on the airline!
which sim is that? X-plane 11? Also how did you get that quality?
Captain fault he knew the weight of the cargo and fuel and should have checked passenger dispersal to maintain C of G.a very simple avoidable problem.
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Fundamentally impossible
The aircraft has rotated for take off for a tail strike to occur. => it's at VR beyond V1 at which point it can't abort. It is committed to takeoff, then circle back to runway and land again.
It's very hard to understand here why most of the weight (passengers and cargo) were loaded in the back of this airplane. When the load sheet was presented to the pilot, there should've been enough time prior to takeoff to find a discrepancy here. When weight and balance becomes an issue, then the pilots can't ultimately fly the airplane right. The rightful thing to do was to abort the takeoff roll.
It was probably the GREEDY AIRLINE that charged passengers EXORBITANT FEES to sit up front, so they all chose the “free” seats, and the airline didn’t give a F to check this!!!
So, 4 flight attendants and Nobody noticed?
Flight attendants are sleeping ??......
Absolutely brutal music.
The Passengers did not cause it, the flight attendants caused it by not seating properly.
This 737 knew there was issue with weights and balance. Crews fault and computer error of person their job.
Crews fault - correct. Computer error - unknown if seats were chosen in advance by airline, chosen in advance by passengers or chosen by passengers as they boarded.
BLAME THE PASSENGERS??? WTF?? PULL YOUR HEAD OUT MPC FLIGHTS.
Good Captain...
The pax didn't cause this. Letting people choose their own seats is not beneficial in an airplane. This is on the carrier.
See my comment on cause versus blame the passengers were the cause just not the blame
The only reason that the passengers CHOSE the seats in the back was because they would have been CHARGED EXTRA TO SIT UP FRONT!!!!
Weight and balance correct? Stab trim correct? Cabin loading heavy in rear? Too aggresive upon rotatation?
No. No. Yes. No. Plane never reached rotate speed.
I thought it was something like the heaviest person on earth deciding to use the bathroom...
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That's a rookie mistake
Cabin crew asleep on the job.
Stupidity ! The flight attendants should have directed the passengers where to sit &/or the seat assignments should have been set before boarding. Also, just like on a ship the captain should have checked the seat plan before starting the engines.
Well . . . Learn something new every day 🤔
This is a simulation.
All the passengers knew the safest places to sit, .... is in the tail section !
No, it’s because it COST EXTRA to sit up front!!!
@@johnp139 You're exactly right. Why pay extra for a dangerous place to sit. ... so in the back we go !
Passenger's fault = alot of women lied about their weight.
Weight transducers on seats to measure the sum weight in each row and quickly calculate passenger payload and their distribution.
On what airplane, in which universe?
On every airliner. Any universe that has an Earth in it.
FlyBondi Flight 5111 CVR Transcript
3:07 CAPTAIN: Abort!
3:29 CAPTAIN:Tower‚ 5111 aborting takeoff. We had a tailstrike.
Latin aviation is a funny thing.
(and I don't mean funny "haha")
Aborting after V1 and rotating ?
No. Try paying attention to the video.
Reject
It had NOTHING to do with weight, the Capt. ALWAY's checks the weight distribution, which is on his pre-flight check-off, list, the FACT, is the Capt. had too steep, of an "Angle Of Attack", look it up.