Its a great animated short, but it doesn't reaoly fit into the film. Like snyder said: it was never intended to be part of the movie, so it was never designed to fit into it ether
@@MarkFilipAnthony it fits story. This is actually inside of Rorshach mind. As he treats comic book fantasy to maniacal degree. His mind was mixture of adoration of Superman and Batman comics. Mixed with radical right wing mindset..... In his eyes he was a hero. When in reality he was maniacal force of nature, that couldn't be stopped...
I absolutely adore the Ultimate Edition, I have a cult to rewatch Watchmen Ultimate Edition, Constantine and V for Vendetta in one day, fantastic movies
I'd go for the Director's Cut. Ultimate Cut is more of a ''made for the fans'' type of a cut with tons of extras, but the Tales of the Black Freighter side story, while on its own is great, feels more like a padding that doesn't move the plot forward and instead breaks the entire pacing.
@@EditedAF987 the original comic critiqued and satirised the concept of superheroes by showing how morally grey and flawed they can be. The movie shows that well. It even talks about Dan's erectile dysfunction. Also, moore glamorised ozymandias and portrayed him as a total badass when he made him stop a bullet with his hand. They have to be shown as badass to be convincing career-superheroes. Silk spectre in the alley fight was a little too unrealistic though. And The disturbing ending sequence of the comic isn't even in the movie.
@@steelbear2063 That's depends on how deep you dive into the story, the comic ending works better because it relie on a external treat where the movie literally expected the world to united because USA big weapon goes crazy and attacks everybody, and the story is around the could war, pretty naive to believe that won't be any political questions.
I wouldn't say Snyder missed the point. I think it would be unfair to say that. I _would_ say he made a couple boneheaded decisions here and there that I didn't like, or that I personally wouldn't have made. But it really doesn't detract much from the overall film, which is still a clever film, mainly because it is so slavishly faithful to its source material. And ultimately, this is pretty much the best Watchmen film adaptation anyone could have possibly hoped for, so no one should really be bitching too much, I feel. It isn't perfect, but it _is_ quite good, and it's absolutely beautifully shot and nice to look at. No, it's not better than the book. No film adaptation ever is.
The whole point of the fake alien ending was to satirize the Cold War. The point was that the entirety of the Cold War was driven by ludicrous fear from both sides. The soviets were worried that the Americans were gonna make the first move, the Americans were worried that the soviets were gonna make the first move, so as a result both sides ended up living in constant fear, when in reality neither one would have done anything had they not thought the other side would. The idea that the only thing that could unify these two enemies would be a giant alien squid highlights the absurdity of the Cold War. By changing the ending from an alien to Dr. Manhattan, it defeats the whole point that Moore was trying to make about humans as a whole. We fear the unknown more than anything else, and there is nothing we would fear more than some potential enemy that we know nothing about. By having the "enemy" be completely made up, Moore points out just how stupid and fearful and irrational the human race is. But if the "enemy" is Dr. Manhattan, the the fear isn't really that irrational, is it? Because we know Dr. Manhattan exists, and we know just what he is capable of, thus completely justifying any and every fear that any human may have about him.
I prefer The Ultimate Cut... The copy I bought, came with The Directors Cut, as well. I got the 4K edition. I'm a huge fan of the graphic novel, so seeing the Black Freighter weaved in with the directors cut, was a dream come true for me. I didn't even know that cut existed til recently.... I do recommend watching the directors cut 1st, if you haven't read the book.... The theatrical cut is good, but pointless, when you have the directors cut. I definitely think the ultimate cut, is the superior film... Even if Snyder doesn't agree.
Director's cut is 186 mins (3 hrs and 6 mins) long, but the Ultimate cut is 215 mins (3 hrs and 35 mins) long. So the Ultimate cut is the complete original film.
@alexander soelaiman I can't rank them as they all are my favorite: - Logan - The Wolverine - Man Of Steel - Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition) - Justice League (Snyder Cut) - Batman Begins - The Dark Knight - The Dark Knight Rises - Joker - X-Men Days Of Future Past - X-Men - Doctor Strange - Tenet - Interstellar - Inception - Prometheus - The Martian Sorry they are too many 😅
Yeah that's the ONE thing I think is really missing from Theatrical. Other stuff I understand being cut for theater release but Hollis' death is so imperative to Danny's character. It's much more powerful with it.
Man of Steel should' be been made and released in 2017, and BvS in 2019. That way, they would' be been released in the time period where Marvel enthusiasm was waning a bit. Because of this, they would have been praised for breaking the mold and taking risks.
@Professeur Râleur I don't think you understand what Snyder's vision for the DCEU Superman was. You see, this more somber and contemplative Super was not like, the definitive version of Superman for this universe. Over the course of 5 movies, consisting of Man of Steel, BvS, his Justice League, and 2 more Justice League films directed by him, Superman would gradually grow into the traditional hopeful and optimistic Superman we know and love, giving him a character arc. Unfortunately, because of what they did to Justice League, we never got to see that arc to it's full conclusion
@Professeur Râleur Zack Snyder's portrayal of superman is not Zack getting wrong the character. You have to understand that superman is not yet in his prime. And his build up till then (his prime) is what Zack is exploring.
I absolutely love the ultimate cut. I personally love having the black freighter stuff in there. Really gives the viewer a break from the story, much like it does in the book
The tales of the black freighter in the Ultimate Cut is something without the purpose. It flows in but without purpose there's nothing special about the addition although the tale is a masterpiece but just has not enough for the movie. The best version also would be the Ultimate Cut.
It fits the movie. As this is inside of Rorshach mind. Rorshach like most superheroes was inspired by Batman and Superman comics and tried to put it to real life. This is why this is comic book format. Rorshach treats comic book fantasy to maniacal degree. His mind was mixture of adoration of Superman and Batman comics. Mixed with radical right wing mindset..... Like captain of the ship he believes to be hero fighting for justice. When in reality he is broken man, that primary lusts for blood controls him. Comic is so disturbing because this is inside of Rorshach twisted mindset. In his eyes he was a hero. When in reality he was maniacal force of nature, that couldn't be stopped...
Thank you this was so helpful. I literally just found a copy of the directors cut at some random pawn shop and I bought it because I’ve always wanted to see Watchmen. I just got home and found out about the ultimate cut and I got so mad wondering if that was the version that I heard was so good or if it was the one that I just got. This video was super helpful in answering those questions!
I thought Rorschach's motives were well explained. The story began with him thinking humanity is too evil to be saved and in the end he demanded "Armageddon" be allowed to play out honestly because to him it was justice and the fulfilment of the Watchmen mission - to stop evil once and for all 🔥 Adrian instead believed a massive sacrifice and shock could save the good in the world by waking everyone up to an appreciation of cooperative unity even if it's cause was fear. As the Bible says with conflicting words in Deuteronomy "Fear the Lord your God and serve him only," and in Mark "Fear not but only believe." What is right? As the Watchmen story says, "I leave it in your hands."
Some fade ins to the freighter are extended. I think Rorschach might have an extra line and then a little more at the news stand. It is very very minimal.
I own the original theatrical version of watchmen on Blu-ray, once I found out there was an Ultimate Cut I purchased it in 4K which comes with both Ultimate Cut (4K) and Director’s Cut (Blu-ray). It was on sale for 12.99 at Best Buy.
I watched the Tales Of The Black Freighter aside from the movie and oh my gosh its fantastic, its so powerful, its one of the best things made of the superhero genre on animation. Zack is a god
My first experience with Watchmen was the Director's cut and just BLOW ME AWAY still Watchmen is in my top 5 best comicbook adaptations of all times, Snyder really shows care for the source material, something funny, because the creator of Watchmen Alan Moore hate this film as well any adaptation of his work, cause he is crazy (seriously Alan...Watchmen and V from Vendetta are just fantastic the hell with you man). For me Watchmen and Justice League (Snyder Cut) are Zack Snyder best movies.
Hot tip: if you get the Watchmen Ultimate Cut 4K with the Black Freighter cover it's a 3-disc combo including the Ultimate Cut in 4K and Director's Cut in Blu Ray + a special features disc
Love the video! My brother in law just asked me this and after much research - I pointed him to the Director’s Cut. Took forever to find a place to buy it digitally, though. Seriously, try to find a digital store selling the Director’s Cut - you will be up for a challenge.
I give Watchmen 7.5/10 Story was amazing, but due to a bit bad pacing and rushed story it lacked world buidling. Watchmen Ultimate Cut 10/10. It perfectly fixed all above. It had amazing world building! We truly could engage into characters. It also perfectly captured WATCHMEN noir crime drama. As we can actually get engaged into Rorschach investigation. Following many leads, while getting lost in false leads. World building - comic book stand scene was amazing presenting how regular people react to world around them. Holis Mason documentary ---. It perfectly captured, newspaper and article segment of the comics. Presenting superhero story in form of 80s documentary.
I really think Snyder was going to a nice direction with the DCEU, he just needed to be more positive with certain characters, like Superman, I think Cavill should just being himself you know, not that serious, that's more of a Batman thing but he isn't sad either. It isn't the best movies ever, but I really like them, and has really nice concepts.
Director's cut is "good enough" for fans wanting the full amount if they don't care about the black freighter comic part. That's really the only real thing added in to ultimate cut. Director's cut does a fine job on it's own as a final full viewing experience.
Are there any scenes from Director's Cut that aren't in Ultimate Cut? Did Ultimate Cut leave out any scenes? If so, I'm just going to get Director's Cut.
The only scenes that are added in the ultimate cut are the few live action scenes of the kid reading the comic before it switches to the animated Tales of the Black Freighter portions.
First cut I watched was the Ultimate Cut as I wanted to get the full experience the first time and not miss anything. Had to take a few Intermission breaks but I enjoyed the hell out of all 3 and a half hours of that movie.
@alexander soelaiman great list. I Don't have a definitive top 50 list but some of my favourites are Lord of the Rings, Alien, Aliens, Watchmen (Ultimate Cut), BvS Ulimate Edition, Man of Steel, The Dark Knight, Spirited Away, Interstellar, The Good the Bad and the Ugly, Pulp Fiction, Once upon a time in the West, Godfather 2 and some others Edit: actually letterboxd.com/person9/list/favourite-movies-6/ here's my list
@alexander soelaiman only comicbook movies i'd give a 10/10 would be spiderman 2, the dark knight. v for vendetta and zack snyders 3 dc movies. batman begins is close though, only reason its a 9 for and not a 10 is the shaky-cam/quick cut fight scenes. 300 and blade are great aswell
The Ultimate Cut is probably my favorite cut of Watchmen, since it's about as accurate to the graphic novel as you can get. 3 hours and 35 minutes is a beefy runtime, but I enjoyed every second of it.
The way I watched this for the first time movie is so stupid. I started watching the Director’s Cut and LOVED IT, but I had to stop about 3/5 of the way through. When I came back a day or 2 later I watched the last 2/5 of the theatrical cut and thought it was nowhere near as good.
I think it is better when movie is longer rather than shorter. I do wonder why people do not like long movies. In longer movies when done well, it is essentially just watching more movie, so why end the watching, you know
I forget, wasn't Dan seeing Rorschach's death, as well as his reaction to Hollis' death, Zack's idea? If so, those were some of my favorite scenes from the film
As someone who owns every version I agree with which should be watched. I mean the good thing about the directors cut too is it’s not that much longer then the original and it’s a good start
I've been watching the theaterical cut on netflix and realised that the one i first watched was the directers cuts purely because the line about the makerting boys and picking a symbol was cut from it
I've seen the ultimate edition once and it felt pretty long especially with the Black Freighter story edited in, it dragged on... My personal pick (and made me wish it was available digitally) is the director's cut
I'm in the rare category of people that didnt like watchmen when i first saw it now it may be because i watched the theatrical cut, I'm here to ask should i rewatch it? Should i give it another chance? I'm willing to but reluctant
@@SK-ix8jb i recommend the ultimate cut. It is long but worth it. It's so underrated. It deserves to be the second best comic book movie after the dark knight ofcourse
The Watchmen theatrical cut did had special features. If you had brought the 2-Disc Edition when the movie first came on home media then you would received a lot of bonus features!
I don't know why they couldn't have made the Ultimate cut disk have a seamless branching mode allowing you to choose which version you want to watch. That said, I do like the Ultimate cut the best, but anybody not familiar with the comic will be completely thrown by why they're suddenly watching a cartoon, because the first Black Freighter segment starts without any introduction.
I always start with Under the Hood, which I don’t think gets enough attention as an integral part of the experience. Then I sometimes watch the Ultimate Cut, but my preference is usually to go with Tales of the Black Freighter followed by the Director’s Cut. When viewed all together like that, the nature of the source material is much more closely approximated, and its themes which are implicit in the film become much more explicit, thoroughly defying the prevailing criticism that Snyder missed the point.
Here in germany the Directors Cut never released, so the only option besides the Theatrical Cut is the Ultimate Cut, which I've seen twice. I honestly really liked it, but would like to watch the movie without the Freighter scenes once. Also I believe it'd be easier for people who don't know the comic to understand whats going on without those scenes. But I'd have to import the Blu Ray from somewhere to watch the directors cut.
The Directors cut is the best but if you collect physical media like i do the Ultimate Cut is the only version released on 4k , and Watchmen looks incredible in HDR, one of my best looking movies
I think the Ultimate Cut is the definitive version. Tales of the Black Freighter is very important allegorical foreshadowing for Watchmen’s overall narrative, and I don’t think it bogs down the long runtime whatsoever. For me, it feels just as long of a movie watching experience as the Director’s Cut, which is a testament to the UC’s pacing
I believe that Snyder himself said that the director’s cut is the best way to view the movie. Zack tried to implement the black freighter as best he could but it just didn’t quite work Got to the end of the video and Zack said it himself in this video 😂
The problem with the Watchmen movie is that if they were gonna adapt it, it should've been a miniseries done in 2020. The reason for that is that Watchmen was released in monthly issues & because of that, the issues are cover lots of material but also are closed off so they can focus on only one thing like the history of the minutemen, Rorschach's philosophy/mentality, the origins of Doctor Manhattan, etc whereas film does centrally focused continuous stories well but that's not Watchmen. But also, the context of when it was written, it was a commentary on not just the superhero genre at the time but also the global politics. When Watchmen came out, superheroes dominated the comic book market & other genres were a minority in comics but also, it came out from 1986 to 1987 when it was still the Cold War & tensions between the US & Soviet Union were rising again to the worst they'd been since the 60s (which is why you constantly see things like references to nuclear war, namely little boy and fat man which is a reference to the nuclear bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki respectively or the Soviets invading Afghanistan) to the point to where it was a terrifying threat that a nuclear war would've started. When the movie came out, there were only 2 MCU films, 2 out of 3 Nolan Batman films were released, the Raimi Spiderman trilogy wrapped up 2 years prior, you had a couple others but superheroes were not the biggest thing in movies/television in 2009 nor was there any serious global event going on that everyone was afraid of destroying the world directly. However, in 2020, superheroes DID dominate movies & television, not to mention the "you know what" happened where people were terrified of the world ending because of it. So a Watchmen miniseries would have been more relevant 3 years ago now (my gosh how quickly time goes by) but would've had to be modified to fit today & comment on the state of comic book films then not to mention the tensions surrounding the "you know what".
Then it would've received even more hate from hardcore comic book nerds for not being faithful enough to the source material (as if it didn't get enough, even though it was extremely faithful, save for a few moments), and flopped even harder for being too far removed from the typical superhero adaptations the world had come to expect over the last decade. It came out just in time, and only gets most of the hate from dedicated Snyder haters. It's a masterpiece! We got a modern sequel series and it stunk!
@@mehallica666 Yes it did, it was a bad miniseries. However, that's also the other point why it failed to be adapted even in film. Watchmen is so specifically tailored to comics in the context I mentioned that to adapt it would not make it watchmen anymore.
I watched the theatrical cut multiple times. Loved it every time. Got hold of the Ultimate cut and did not enjoy the movie. As the director said, the freighter pulls you away from the story too much. It also makes an already long film, very long. I didn’t even realise there were extra things added apart from the freighter, so cant say for sure if those made it better or worse for me. I will be trying to get hold of the directors cut now, as I didnt even realise there were 3 versions.
It’s the Ultimate Cut for me. I put off watching this movie for the longest time because of the mixed reviews. But being a fan of films, collector’s editions & alternate cuts, that big boxed set collector’s edition just kept calling my name. So I shelled out more money than I should spend and popped in the Ultimate Cut that night. I was blown away even with the animated film spliced in, it worked. It also made me a Zack Snyder fan. Loved his Ultimate Edition of Batman Vs Superman as well. His Director’s Cut to Justice League, while better, was still kinda boring though. And 300 is way too overrated. But Watchmen Ultimate Cut is a masterpiece and one of my favorite superhero movies of all time. Up there with The Dark Knight and X-Men: Days Of Future Past.
I love the watchmen movie I never read the comics thinking bout directors cut idc if it animated I love animation Ik they have ultimate cut on Microsoft
I wish a cut would fix the ending. Instead of having the weird ending change with Manhatten being framed for destroying New York, it’s the actual comic ending with the fake Alien. It really doesn’t make sense. It’s such a masterpiece. Frame by frame exact representation of the comic on the screen, but then he just changed the ending. It really made me dislike the movie.
Ultimate Cut isn’t just the director’s cut plus the anime stuff. It also includes the “homophobic” lines of dialogue like the theatrical cut has and the director’s cut excluded. So if you’re a fan of “homophobic” slurs and want the full experience of the watchmen story, then the ultimate cut is for you!
The lady saying her son is a cop...that's originally from the comicbook lol the comicbook is pretty vulgar & definitely edgy I just wished Snyder was really true to the comic...& Added the Octopus monster
What I didn't like about the directors cut is the interruptions by the director explaining some shit you don't care about, sometimes this is done over the movie it self ,In my opinion don't buy the directors cut.
Bruh did you not watch the video? The interruption version is not the directors cut its a separate option You screwed up and watched the wrong version lol
"who the hell is Steve Jobs?"
Ligmy balls
Sounds like a fair trade
"Who the hell is Kevin Feige?"
Ligma balls daddy..
just some guy
don't worry about it
Theatrical cut= Pretty great
Director’s cut= Masterpiece
Ultimate cut= Masterpiece as well as my favorite movie.
Is there a version of the Ultimate Cut on standard Blu Ray? Or is it exclusively on 4K?
@@shmoopy3528 Yeah, there’s a set that comes with the motion comic, and then there’s the 4K which I don’t recommend.
@@thatnerdyguy8701 why don’t you recommend the 4K?
@@greasycheese9050 The theatrical cut is good
@@thatnerdyguy8701 I've watched director's cut. What's the differences in ultimate's cut ?
Rule of thumb for Snyders films. Directors cut or ultimate and never theatrical (I have the Directors cut of watchmen and I love it)
True I feel the same about BVS
the ultimate edition is way better.
So true!
the ultimate edition is my favorite. i love tales of the black freighter
Its a great animated short, but it doesn't reaoly fit into the film.
Like snyder said: it was never intended to be part of the movie, so it was never designed to fit into it ether
@@MarkFilipAnthony well, you have a good point
Same
@@MarkFilipAnthony it fits story.
This is actually inside of Rorshach mind. As he treats comic book fantasy to maniacal degree.
His mind was mixture of adoration of Superman and Batman comics. Mixed with radical right wing mindset.....
In his eyes he was a hero. When in reality he was maniacal force of nature, that couldn't be stopped...
@@TaigaXsenpai until he was
I absolutely adore the Ultimate Edition, I have a cult to rewatch Watchmen Ultimate Edition, Constantine and V for Vendetta in one day, fantastic movies
Constantine is meh but I agree with everything else.
Ooooo, I like this tradition, might try it someday
I literally got the set of those 3 movies and watched them all today! I’ve always loved watchmen but I had never seen v for vendetta. Also great
Directors cut was what I was recommend all around so I ended up getting that instead.
I'd go for the Director's Cut. Ultimate Cut is more of a ''made for the fans'' type of a cut with tons of extras, but the Tales of the Black Freighter side story, while on its own is great, feels more like a padding that doesn't move the plot forward and instead breaks the entire pacing.
I love how Snyder literally adapted the comic panel by panel and yet people still have the nerve to say "he missed the point".
@@EditedAF987 the original comic critiqued and satirised the concept of superheroes by showing how morally grey and flawed they can be. The movie shows that well. It even talks about Dan's erectile dysfunction. Also, moore glamorised ozymandias and portrayed him as a total badass when he made him stop a bullet with his hand. They have to be shown as badass to be convincing career-superheroes. Silk spectre in the alley fight was a little too unrealistic though. And The disturbing ending sequence of the comic isn't even in the movie.
@@raam726
Honestly a world-wide attack makes more sense than a giant squid attacking New-York.
@@steelbear2063 That's depends on how deep you dive into the story, the comic ending works better because it relie on a external treat where the movie literally expected the world to united because USA big weapon goes crazy and attacks everybody, and the story is around the could war, pretty naive to believe that won't be any political questions.
I wouldn't say Snyder missed the point. I think it would be unfair to say that. I _would_ say he made a couple boneheaded decisions here and there that I didn't like, or that I personally wouldn't have made. But it really doesn't detract much from the overall film, which is still a clever film, mainly because it is so slavishly faithful to its source material. And ultimately, this is pretty much the best Watchmen film adaptation anyone could have possibly hoped for, so no one should really be bitching too much, I feel. It isn't perfect, but it _is_ quite good, and it's absolutely beautifully shot and nice to look at. No, it's not better than the book. No film adaptation ever is.
The whole point of the fake alien ending was to satirize the Cold War. The point was that the entirety of the Cold War was driven by ludicrous fear from both sides. The soviets were worried that the Americans were gonna make the first move, the Americans were worried that the soviets were gonna make the first move, so as a result both sides ended up living in constant fear, when in reality neither one would have done anything had they not thought the other side would. The idea that the only thing that could unify these two enemies would be a giant alien squid highlights the absurdity of the Cold War. By changing the ending from an alien to Dr. Manhattan, it defeats the whole point that Moore was trying to make about humans as a whole. We fear the unknown more than anything else, and there is nothing we would fear more than some potential enemy that we know nothing about. By having the "enemy" be completely made up, Moore points out just how stupid and fearful and irrational the human race is. But if the "enemy" is Dr. Manhattan, the the fear isn't really that irrational, is it? Because we know Dr. Manhattan exists, and we know just what he is capable of, thus completely justifying any and every fear that any human may have about him.
I prefer The Ultimate Cut...
The copy I bought, came with The Directors Cut, as well.
I got the 4K edition.
I'm a huge fan of the graphic novel, so seeing the Black Freighter weaved in with the directors cut, was a dream come true for me.
I didn't even know that cut existed til recently....
I do recommend watching the directors cut 1st, if you haven't read the book.... The theatrical cut is good, but pointless, when you have the directors cut.
I definitely think the ultimate cut, is the superior film... Even if Snyder doesn't agree.
The ultimate cut is amazing.
Every version is great.
One of the most impressive CBM I’ve ever seen.
Best version of watchmen is the directors cut IMO
Director's cut is 186 mins (3 hrs and 6 mins) long, but the Ultimate cut is 215 mins (3 hrs and 35 mins) long. So the Ultimate cut is the complete original film.
@alexander soelaiman Yes, absolutely right 👍💯💯
@alexander soelaiman I can't rank them as they all are my favorite:
- Logan
- The Wolverine
- Man Of Steel
- Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition)
- Justice League (Snyder Cut)
- Batman Begins
- The Dark Knight
- The Dark Knight Rises
- Joker
- X-Men Days Of Future Past
- X-Men
- Doctor Strange
- Tenet
- Interstellar
- Inception
- Prometheus
- The Martian
Sorry they are too many 😅
@alexander soelaiman Thank you, and your's are awesome too 👌
@alexander soelaiman I can't decide a specific theater as there are many theaters in my city. I just watch wherever I like to go. I live in India.
Best Cut = Director’s Cut
My Favorite Cut = Ultimate’s Cut
"For me the directors cut is the best plus you see hollis' death"
ME: wait, he dies? 🥺 I never even knew/saw that! 😭
Also me: ノಠ益ಠノ彡┻━┻
Yeah that's the ONE thing I think is really missing from Theatrical. Other stuff I understand being cut for theater release but Hollis' death is so imperative to Danny's character. It's much more powerful with it.
I cannot for the life of me tell what you have edited Dr Manhattan to be saying at the beginning 😅
"it's so sad Steve Jobs died of ligma".
I didn't make it though. The memes been around for a few years.
Zack Snyder make movies ahead of time
Most of his movies are misunderstood and underrated
Man of Steel should' be been made and released in 2017, and BvS in 2019. That way, they would' be been released in the time period where Marvel enthusiasm was waning a bit. Because of this, they would have been praised for breaking the mold and taking risks.
@Professeur Râleur I don't think you understand what Snyder's vision for the DCEU Superman was. You see, this more somber and contemplative Super was not like, the definitive version of Superman for this universe. Over the course of 5 movies, consisting of Man of Steel, BvS, his Justice League, and 2 more Justice League films directed by him, Superman would gradually grow into the traditional hopeful and optimistic Superman we know and love, giving him a character arc. Unfortunately, because of what they did to Justice League, we never got to see that arc to it's full conclusion
@Professeur Râleur Zack Snyder's portrayal of superman is not Zack getting wrong the character. You have to understand that superman is not yet in his prime. And his build up till then (his prime) is what Zack is exploring.
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I absolutely love the ultimate cut. I personally love having the black freighter stuff in there. Really gives the viewer a break from the story, much like it does in the book
I appreciate this comment!
The tales of the black freighter in the Ultimate Cut is something without the purpose. It flows in but without purpose there's nothing special about the addition although the tale is a masterpiece but just has not enough for the movie. The best version also would be the Ultimate Cut.
It fits the movie. As this is inside of Rorshach mind.
Rorshach like most superheroes was inspired by Batman and Superman comics and tried to put it to real life. This is why this is comic book format.
Rorshach treats comic book fantasy to maniacal degree.
His mind was mixture of adoration of Superman and Batman comics. Mixed with radical right wing mindset.....
Like captain of the ship he believes to be hero fighting for justice. When in reality he is broken man, that primary lusts for blood controls him.
Comic is so disturbing because this is inside of Rorshach twisted mindset.
In his eyes he was a hero. When in reality he was maniacal force of nature, that couldn't be stopped...
Thank you this was so helpful. I literally just found a copy of the directors cut at some random pawn shop and I bought it because I’ve always wanted to see Watchmen. I just got home and found out about the ultimate cut and I got so mad wondering if that was the version that I heard was so good or if it was the one that I just got. This video was super helpful in answering those questions!
I have the theatrical version, but I like the director's cut one which totally shows how it really went down.
I thought Rorschach's motives were well explained. The story began with him thinking humanity is too evil to be saved and in the end he demanded "Armageddon" be allowed to play out honestly because to him it was justice and the fulfilment of the Watchmen mission - to stop evil once and for all 🔥 Adrian instead believed a massive sacrifice and shock could save the good in the world by waking everyone up to an appreciation of cooperative unity even if it's cause was fear. As the Bible says with conflicting words in Deuteronomy "Fear the Lord your God and serve him only," and in Mark "Fear not but only believe." What is right? As the Watchmen story says, "I leave it in your hands."
*PLEASE*
Can someone tell me JUST ONE scene or line that exists in the Ultimate Cut, but NOT in the Director's Cut?
I might be wrong man but i think the ultimate cut is the only cut that includes Walter at the newstand in the morning not saying a word
Some fade ins to the freighter are extended. I think Rorschach might have an extra line and then a little more at the news stand. It is very very minimal.
I had just gotten this director’s cut recently so I wanted to know which one I should watch which is why I clicked on this video!
I own the original theatrical version of watchmen on Blu-ray, once I found out there was an Ultimate Cut I purchased it in 4K which comes with both Ultimate Cut (4K) and Director’s Cut (Blu-ray). It was on sale for 12.99 at Best Buy.
I watched the Tales Of The Black Freighter aside from the movie and oh my gosh its fantastic, its so powerful, its one of the best things made of the superhero genre on animation. Zack is a god
It’s good. I really dig it in sort of an Edgar Alan Poe vibe type thing but I wouldn’t say it is powerful.
My first experience with Watchmen was the Director's cut and just BLOW ME AWAY still Watchmen is in my top 5 best comicbook adaptations of all times, Snyder really shows care for the source material, something funny, because the creator of Watchmen Alan Moore hate this film as well any adaptation of his work, cause he is crazy (seriously Alan...Watchmen and V from Vendetta are just fantastic the hell with you man). For me Watchmen and Justice League (Snyder Cut) are Zack Snyder best movies.
Hot tip: if you get the Watchmen Ultimate Cut 4K with the Black Freighter cover it's a 3-disc combo including the Ultimate Cut in 4K and Director's Cut in Blu Ray + a special features disc
Love the video! My brother in law just asked me this and after much research - I pointed him to the Director’s Cut. Took forever to find a place to buy it digitally, though. Seriously, try to find a digital store selling the Director’s Cut - you will be up for a challenge.
I agree lol where find director's cut? Digitally
Oh yes you made a video on Watchmen, I asked for it!
I give Watchmen 7.5/10 Story was amazing, but due to a bit bad pacing and rushed story it lacked world buidling.
Watchmen Ultimate Cut 10/10. It perfectly fixed all above. It had amazing world building! We truly could engage into characters. It also perfectly captured WATCHMEN noir crime drama.
As we can actually get engaged into Rorschach investigation. Following many leads, while getting lost in false leads.
World building - comic book stand scene was amazing presenting how regular people react to world around them.
Holis Mason documentary ---. It perfectly captured, newspaper and article segment of the comics. Presenting superhero story in form of 80s documentary.
I've watched director's cut. What's the differences in ultimate's cut ?
I really think Snyder was going to a nice direction with the DCEU, he just needed to be more positive with certain characters, like Superman, I think Cavill should just being himself you know, not that serious, that's more of a Batman thing but he isn't sad either.
It isn't the best movies ever, but I really like them, and has really nice concepts.
Director's cut is "good enough" for fans wanting the full amount if they don't care about the black freighter comic part. That's really the only real thing added in to ultimate cut.
Director's cut does a fine job on it's own as a final full viewing experience.
I'm glad I watched the ultimate cut on cable a long time ago. It really turned me around about the movie
Are there any scenes from Director's Cut that aren't in Ultimate Cut? Did Ultimate Cut leave out any scenes? If so, I'm just going to get Director's Cut.
The only scenes that are added in the ultimate cut are the few live action scenes of the kid reading the comic before it switches to the animated Tales of the Black Freighter portions.
First cut I watched was the Ultimate Cut as I wanted to get the full experience the first time and not miss anything. Had to take a few Intermission breaks but I enjoyed the hell out of all 3 and a half hours of that movie.
Nice vid, ive never seen the ultimate edition but the theatrical is still nice
@alexander soelaiman bet, not sure why they dont put it on hbo max but ill watch it
Great edits
Thank you for this vid I was confused about these.
i've wanted this video for years, with only watching theatre cut
I love the ultimate cut of this movie. It’s one of my favourite movies, only being beaten out by the Lotr trilogy and possibly the alien duology
@alexander soelaiman nice
@alexander soelaiman great list. I Don't have a definitive top 50 list but some of my favourites are Lord of the Rings, Alien, Aliens, Watchmen (Ultimate Cut), BvS Ulimate Edition, Man of Steel, The Dark Knight, Spirited Away, Interstellar, The Good the Bad and the Ugly, Pulp Fiction, Once upon a time in the West, Godfather 2 and some others
Edit: actually letterboxd.com/person9/list/favourite-movies-6/ here's my list
@alexander soelaiman only comicbook movies i'd give a 10/10 would be spiderman 2, the dark knight. v for vendetta and zack snyders 3 dc movies. batman begins is close though, only reason its a 9 for and not a 10 is the shaky-cam/quick cut fight scenes. 300 and blade are great aswell
Just bought the ultimate cut five disc dvd set for $10, can't wait to see it in this version.
This was an EXCELLENT video!
The ultimate cut for me
A solid video my dude, this part made me understand 4:43
Only seen the Theatrical Cut of Watchmen, but like any Zack Snyder movie, I'll go with the Directors Cut
Thanks
The Ultimate Cut is probably my favorite cut of Watchmen, since it's about as accurate to the graphic novel as you can get. 3 hours and 35 minutes is a beefy runtime, but I enjoyed every second of it.
The way I watched this for the first time movie is so stupid. I started watching the Director’s Cut and LOVED IT, but I had to stop about 3/5 of the way through. When I came back a day or 2 later I watched the last 2/5 of the theatrical cut and thought it was nowhere near as good.
I watch the ultimate cut once a year on Christmas
I think it is better when movie is longer rather than shorter. I do wonder why people do not like long movies.
In longer movies when done well, it is essentially just watching more movie, so why end the watching, you know
I forget, wasn't Dan seeing Rorschach's death, as well as his reaction to Hollis' death, Zack's idea? If so, those were some of my favorite scenes from the film
As someone who owns every version I agree with which should be watched. I mean the good thing about the directors cut too is it’s not that much longer then the original and it’s a good start
I've watched director's cut. What's the differences in ultimate's cut ?
I've been watching the theaterical cut on netflix and realised that the one i first watched was the directers cuts purely because the line about the makerting boys and picking a symbol was cut from it
I've seen the ultimate edition once and it felt pretty long especially with the Black Freighter story edited in, it dragged on... My personal pick (and made me wish it was available digitally) is the director's cut
I'm in the rare category of people that didnt like watchmen when i first saw it now it may be because i watched the theatrical cut, I'm here to ask should i rewatch it? Should i give it another chance? I'm willing to but reluctant
Yes definitely. Director's Cut most definitely.
@@TexYT not the ultimate? Or does it not really matter
@@SK-ix8jb i recommend the ultimate cut. It is long but worth it. It's so underrated. It deserves to be the second best comic book movie after the dark knight ofcourse
@@bharathnikhil2651 i personally think TDK Trilogy is overrated and Not the best comic movie ever
@@bharathnikhil2651 TDK trilogy has nothing on Watchmen
The Watchmen theatrical cut did had special features. If you had brought the 2-Disc Edition when the movie first came on home media then you would received a lot of bonus features!
I don't know why they couldn't have made the Ultimate cut disk have a seamless branching mode allowing you to choose which version you want to watch.
That said, I do like the Ultimate cut the best, but anybody not familiar with the comic will be completely thrown by why they're suddenly watching a cartoon, because the first Black Freighter segment starts without any introduction.
Ulitmate for sure. Closest to the original comic and is the best viewing experience
you missed the edited for tv version that tnt aired
I always start with Under the Hood, which I don’t think gets enough attention as an integral part of the experience. Then I sometimes watch the Ultimate Cut, but my preference is usually to go with Tales of the Black Freighter followed by the Director’s Cut.
When viewed all together like that, the nature of the source material is much more closely approximated, and its themes which are implicit in the film become much more explicit, thoroughly defying the prevailing criticism that Snyder missed the point.
I haven’t watched any of them which version should I watch first?
Directors cut
The comic
I first timed the Ultimate Cut and I was happy :D
Here in germany the Directors Cut never released, so the only option besides the Theatrical Cut is the Ultimate Cut, which I've seen twice. I honestly really liked it, but would like to watch the movie without the Freighter scenes once. Also I believe it'd be easier for people who don't know the comic to understand whats going on without those scenes. But I'd have to import the Blu Ray from somewhere to watch the directors cut.
I just skipped the Black Freighter part everytime it comes along
The Directors cut is the best but if you collect physical media like i do the Ultimate Cut is the only version released on 4k , and Watchmen looks incredible in HDR, one of my best looking movies
I think the Ultimate Cut is the definitive version. Tales of the Black Freighter is very important allegorical foreshadowing for Watchmen’s overall narrative, and I don’t think it bogs down the long runtime whatsoever. For me, it feels just as long of a movie watching experience as the Director’s Cut, which is a testament to the UC’s pacing
I've watched director's cut. What's the differences in ultimate's cut ?
I believe that Snyder himself said that the director’s cut is the best way to view the movie. Zack tried to implement the black freighter as best he could but it just didn’t quite work
Got to the end of the video and Zack said it himself in this video 😂
Director's Cut
I prefer dark knight: far far from homecoming
@alexander soelaiman the one i watched while i was trippin acid
That's my favorite anime
@alexander soelaiman you get it once you beat the first boss: crack.
That movie is awesome
I prefer
Batman V Spider-Man: Dawn Of Watchmen Far From Justice Homecoming Directors Cut Ultimate Edition
What cut should you watch?
None, go read the comic and don’t waste your time
The problem with the Watchmen movie is that if they were gonna adapt it, it should've been a miniseries done in 2020. The reason for that is that Watchmen was released in monthly issues & because of that, the issues are cover lots of material but also are closed off so they can focus on only one thing like the history of the minutemen, Rorschach's philosophy/mentality, the origins of Doctor Manhattan, etc whereas film does centrally focused continuous stories well but that's not Watchmen. But also, the context of when it was written, it was a commentary on not just the superhero genre at the time but also the global politics. When Watchmen came out, superheroes dominated the comic book market & other genres were a minority in comics but also, it came out from 1986 to 1987 when it was still the Cold War & tensions between the US & Soviet Union were rising again to the worst they'd been since the 60s (which is why you constantly see things like references to nuclear war, namely little boy and fat man which is a reference to the nuclear bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki respectively or the Soviets invading Afghanistan) to the point to where it was a terrifying threat that a nuclear war would've started. When the movie came out, there were only 2 MCU films, 2 out of 3 Nolan Batman films were released, the Raimi Spiderman trilogy wrapped up 2 years prior, you had a couple others but superheroes were not the biggest thing in movies/television in 2009 nor was there any serious global event going on that everyone was afraid of destroying the world directly. However, in 2020, superheroes DID dominate movies & television, not to mention the "you know what" happened where people were terrified of the world ending because of it. So a Watchmen miniseries would have been more relevant 3 years ago now (my gosh how quickly time goes by) but would've had to be modified to fit today & comment on the state of comic book films then not to mention the tensions surrounding the "you know what".
Then it would've received even more hate from hardcore comic book nerds for not being faithful enough to the source material (as if it didn't get enough, even though it was extremely faithful, save for a few moments), and flopped even harder for being too far removed from the typical superhero adaptations the world had come to expect over the last decade.
It came out just in time, and only gets most of the hate from dedicated Snyder haters. It's a masterpiece! We got a modern sequel series and it stunk!
@@mehallica666 Yes it did, it was a bad miniseries. However, that's also the other point why it failed to be adapted even in film. Watchmen is so specifically tailored to comics in the context I mentioned that to adapt it would not make it watchmen anymore.
Never realised I was a crazy fan. I prefer the Ultimate Cut head & shoulders over the others.
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I watched the theatrical cut multiple times. Loved it every time. Got hold of the Ultimate cut and did not enjoy the movie. As the director said, the freighter pulls you away from the story too much. It also makes an already long film, very long. I didn’t even realise there were extra things added apart from the freighter, so cant say for sure if those made it better or worse for me. I will be trying to get hold of the directors cut now, as I didnt even realise there were 3 versions.
My most underrated movie of all time
So WB have the greatest masterpieces but still doing dirty to their directors
It’s the Ultimate Cut for me. I put off watching this movie for the longest time because of the mixed reviews. But being a fan of films, collector’s editions & alternate cuts, that big boxed set collector’s edition just kept calling my name. So I shelled out more money than I should spend and popped in the Ultimate Cut that night. I was blown away even with the animated film spliced in, it worked. It also made me a Zack Snyder fan. Loved his Ultimate Edition of Batman Vs Superman as well. His Director’s Cut to Justice League, while better, was still kinda boring though. And 300 is way too overrated.
But Watchmen Ultimate Cut is a masterpiece and one of my favorite superhero movies of all time. Up there with The Dark Knight and X-Men: Days Of Future Past.
*divisive 😅
Love this one but I gotta see the Ultimate still. I also kinda want that big box, probably a lot now.
So your recommendation is an exact copy of what snyder said? Cool x
I love the watchmen movie I never read the comics thinking bout directors cut idc if it animated I love animation
Ik they have ultimate cut on Microsoft
Director's is the definitive cut. As with every movie.
not blade runner
@@janjohn97 I got the final cut the director’s true vision
@@janjohn97 theatrical? The director and the main stars hate it.
@@godinacapeNo, after the Directors Cut, there was also a Final Cut created in the 2000s, which is the most content-complete version
I have the ultimate cut which I like better then Directors cut which I had before that.
okie dokie. will watch the director cut then
4:22 i’m sure there is a director’s cut there 😂😂😂
"Adrian Vaught, possible homosexual.. must investigate further."
- Rorschach, 1922
There is a problem when I saw the movie it felt wide because I read the book but I liked the movie I give it a 9/10
I wish a cut would fix the ending. Instead of having the weird ending change with Manhatten being framed for destroying New York, it’s the actual comic ending with the fake Alien. It really doesn’t make sense. It’s such a masterpiece. Frame by frame exact representation of the comic on the screen, but then he just changed the ending. It really made me dislike the movie.
Ultimate Cut isn’t just the director’s cut plus the anime stuff. It also includes the “homophobic” lines of dialogue like the theatrical cut has and the director’s cut excluded. So if you’re a fan of “homophobic” slurs and want the full experience of the watchmen story, then the ultimate cut is for you!
Ultimate cut is my favorite
now we have the animated movie which is good too
But ultimate cut runs 212 min than directors cut and theatrical cut
4:45
I like the Black Freighter as a standalone, but with the rest of the movie it feels kind of jarring.
Snyder himself prefers the Director's Cut.
4:49 lol
Director’s cut!
The lady saying her son is a cop...that's originally from the comicbook lol the comicbook is pretty vulgar & definitely edgy I just wished Snyder was really true to the comic...& Added the Octopus monster
I prefer the director's cut too.
Me just now watching the movie and me thinking that it's an average movie that's just long. Probably a good movie if I had more energy.
I loved Rorschach
What I didn't like about the directors cut is the interruptions by the director explaining some shit you don't care about, sometimes this is done over the movie it self ,In my opinion don't buy the directors cut.
Bruh did you not watch the video? The interruption version is not the directors cut its a separate option
You screwed up and watched the wrong version lol
The HBO series, by far
Eww, you must be joking.
Way too much CGI. The film maker cheated. He should have gone with more practical effects.