Aptera Update 2024 - Solar Electric Vehicle Investment, Aerodynamics and more
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- Aptera Solar Electric Vehicle Update with the latest news including updated investment offering supplement, reduced aerodynamic efficiency, slow charging, vehicle specs, and Aptera social media disinformation. This video is not approved by Aptera Motors.
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Aptera is solid in their creative approach to launching their baby. They are the do-ers. They understand what others do not. Like Elon Musk, they are blessed with a knack, and guidance to make the world a better place. lets face it, Aptera has long haul vision. Creative and sustainable. Musk is like a Mozart. Genius when the world needs them most.
Aptera has the power of 2 CEO's , and their learning curve is amazing also. They are all here to help the world create itself better than ever before. Where individuals are here to make a difference, in a way that Nature would approve...
Will~
Aptera CEOs are not Musk and they're not Mozart. More Trevor Milton.
You are on DRUGS... Please do buy some more APTERA STOCK.. You are downright DARWINIAN 🤣
Aptera only needs an investment of $65 million to get to production, which the company can get from UAE, and 6,000 units a year is break even. The demand will be sufficient for maintaining a solid business. Aptera doesn't need anywhere near as much capital as other automakers.
"Aptera only needs an investment of $65 million to get to production"
I'm sure you believe that. Critical thinking is not a popular skill among Aptera fans.
APTERA wont reach , production.
its a pump & dump.
Don't believe everything Aptera company tells you
They promised that the first Aptera would be delivered in 2020 🤔
@@shrimptopian3392 They never promised it. It was always an estimate. Critical thinking is not a popular skill among Aptera trolls
What do you mean Aptera trolls? Are there others? I think I'm the only one.
Warren, your nitpicking at so-called facts presented by others (news media, non-company enthusiasts) simply refuses to acknowledge that people can make some mistakes. What is your purpose in making these critical, nitpicky videos? Are you attempting to get investors and enthusiasts to 'jump ship'? If so, then you must have an ulterior motive other than spouting out the 'errors' you think are Aptera's fault. Also apparently you've never invested in any startup company's offerings. The language your bitching about is boiler plate in these prospectuses and offering circulars. It was in Tesla's early submissions.
"What is your purpose in making these critical, nitpicky videos?"
Warning potential investors about the scam
@@WarrenRedlich you seem more like a scam...i think you trying to redeem yourself from previous videos. Like someone calls themselves bald but you point out they actually have a hair on their head.
"Critical, nitpick videos ⁉" Sounds like you are a little emotional Beech absent any critical thinking skills ❗ Warren's 💪❤ points are legitimate.... Get a life LOSER 🤣
Mr. Redlich,
About two years ago, on a podcast with Dave Lee, did you not say according your calculations Tesla should be worth $22,000 a share?
Where is Tesla share now?
With that kind of records, why should anyone believe you?
I'm pretty sure I did not predict $22K/share in 2024
That was probably pre-split also
And I have often said that what the company is actually worth can be very different from the share price. Markets are inefficient and many Wall Streeters and Main Streeters don't see the value yet.
Hey Kooky Kukaboora... 🤣 Looks like you have no critical thinking skills... Do you work at Aptera ⁉😂 OR, were you DUMB enough ti invest in it 😉
@@WarrenRedlich
On Sept 10 2021, you and Dave Lee discussed how to evaluate Tesla.
At time interval 1:03:40- 1:03:58 you said the value of Tesla would be 20 trillions in 2025 and Tesla should be $20,000 a share in 2026.
To be fair, your time is not yet expired.
You say you hadn't see anything about the UAE deliveries before reading it in the SEC filing, but Aptera had already announced that program before that SEC filing. If you'd done any actual research on this, you'd have known about it already. What else didn't you research? They've also made it very clear that the 53 UAE deliveries will happen after the 2k accelerator deliveries, paradigm deliveries, and likely even after the first 5k run of LEs.
Seriously, what else didn't you research before sounding off on this?
Does not say that UAE deliveries will happen after: aptera.us/aptera-motors-expands-into-the-uae/
@@WarrenRedlich Oh, well, if it doesn't say it there, then it clearly doesn't say it anywhere else either.
But hey, at least you tried to research it this time.
You said they made it very clear. They did not.
@@WarrenRedlich they did make it very clear. It's not my fault if you haven't seen where they did that
@@GoClimbARockEh - APTERA is opposite of TRANSPARENCY.
I like the part where you say, "if you're cynical, they've been trying to get investors to give them money to make some kind of progress to get this into production".
I mean.. yes? Isn't that what investing is for? I think you were trying to imply that their actual goal is just to get people to give them money, but then you finish your thought by basically defining exactly what's going on, while trying to imply there's something nefarious about this process. Investors give them money so they can make progress, and get this car into production. That is exactly the point. Glad you agree!
Then I spoke poorly. They have no hope of ever getting into mass production.
And if they do it will one of the greatest money incinerators in history.
@@WarrenRedlich they are $50M from making it to production, for a total of roughly $250M spend to have gotten there. That's an order of magnitude less than any other EV manufacturer.
@@GoClimbARockEh - Composite , manufacturing is MORE expensive than TESLA "unbox" process.
@@rw6262 that's not how time works.
@@markplott4820 I invite you to present evidence of your claim
Warren you are starting to sound like a Wall Street analyst talking about Tesla. They don't understand Tesla and you don't understand Aptera. That's is fine but please stop making videos about things you don't understand.
Yeah, this TH-camr doesn't get it at all.
I understand Aptera very well. That's the problem you have with me. I understand it better than either of you.
@@WarrenRedlich Thanks for the clarification.
WRONG ... He is talking like someone trying to protect us from another LUCID or RIVIAN or FISKER DEBACLE🔥. Please DO buy more Aptera stock 🤣
It's clear if you pay attention, the first 2k accelerator vehicles will be delivered first and then the 53 UAE vehicles.
It's clear where? It's not clear in the press release from Aptera.
@@WarrenRedlich The press release for the Accelerator program said that they would get the first 2K vehicles while the press release for the 53 UAE models didn't say they would jump in front of the Accelerators. What conclusion would you draw from these two press releases?
@@wineberryred- I look at it as all they had to say is this, “These 53 will be built once the 2000 accelerator vehicles are built and delivered to customers.”
Instead, they left it up to everyone trying to figure it out with some opaque wording. I hear Aptera is transparent. We will find out tomorrow on their monthly update for April.
@@billsmith5960 It's better the way they did it, it gives they naysayers something to grab on to.
"What conclusion would you draw from these two press releases?"
That's it's not clear.
I invested 100k into Aptera. Don't trust any guy who's giving you financial advise online, including me!
I'm sorry for your loss
My condolences .. At least oyu will have some hefty tax write-offs ! 😊
Maybe you should actually research and understand Aptera BEFORE you go ranting on false information. I used to like you, but now I question your true motives.
He doesn't research, he's just shooting for the moon
You could try and point out where he is wrong, just saying
@@jmpompey1- I do my research. I watch Aptera videos and the dozen other pro aptera channels. For example, they secured financing from the UAE and production has started there.
Do not read the SEC filings. They are all false.
@@billsmith5960 You read Aptera Videos and pro aptera channels.... this isn't research it's circle jerking. You need unbiased subjective sources of information
@@jmpompey1 - I’m just being a super fan. What aptera says today is true. What they said in the past, I can fansplain it.
I’ve never understood why just the coefficient is quoted when this needs to be multiplied by the cross-sectional area to get the actual air resistance. Due to their narrow shape they can still achieve a good efficiency even if the coefficient is a bit higher. We need the full numbers not just half the equation!
It’s not narrow
APTERA is wider than Tesla model S .
let that sink in.
and what are you going to do with the "full" numbers, i.e, pounds of drag.........
@@markplott4820 Wider but lower and a lot more streamline. One TH-camr did a comparison comparing the profile of a Model Y with an Aptera by area and found that the estimates of the increase efficiency are reasonable.
@@madmotorcyclist -APTERA is same width as Tesla model S.
let that sink in.
My question is this: are they actually doing anything illegal? I don't think so and therefore I don't think the 'investors' will have any legal redress when the company inevitably folds.
The total design cost is $150M not 8 billion like most legacy cars. The biggest tooling cost already spent was for blocks of steel to make the molds for the body parts. These parts have been validated and pressings for 16 total have been made. The first is in Carlsbad being fitted with wiring and finalizing fittings and refining the assembly processes. The aluminum platform will follow as the beta tester was track tested with the latest bushings to refine the ride. The automated battery pack system is being proofed by the maker and they will make 100 packs then bring the finished system to California. Does tesla make a carbon fiber car?
SpaceX makes carbon fiber rockets
You did a good job of cherry picking what Aptera tells you.
Wrong, wrong again. First, the wind tunnel tests were run on gamma and not the production body which improved it to 0.13 (that video was based on old data). Second all battery packs have a reserve and you don't use the whole 45KWH (they plan on have 5KWH reserve which blows out your calculation of charging time and they later stated at first their NACs will start at 50KW and at a later time will elevate it). Also another error you missed is that Tesla charging rates are somewhat bogus for if you look at their charging curve it starts out at their stated rate then drops dramatically. The third thing you are wrong is they stated the UAE Apteras will be produced after the LE versions (they guesstimated it would be a year later). Right now one CEO was at DriftX doing what Lucid did in getting more funding. One big thing you fail to state is the fact that both CEOs have said that they have turned down other funding because of strings attached (they learned from their first experience when the automotive CEO took over and drove them into the ground back in 2007) and this time around they are more careful about their funding sources. Another thing you fail to mention is that they have stated that they will become profitable with producing only 6k Aptera's per year because of their efficient manufacturing approaches compared to Tesla and other EV manufacturers. Also you fail to mention that they can license patents for more funding and the fact they have not rush to issue an IPO which would give them an influx of cash so your estimation of them being on a financial cliff is far from true.
And people think I listen to Elon without questioning.
@@WarrenRedlich Well all charging including NAC are not able to maintain their stated charging rate is a fact and besides the engineering aspects of the Aptera make sense for an EV unlike the monstrosity of the Cybertruck (which already suffered its first recall over a trivial engineering slip-up).
@@madmotorcyclistyou got one thing right. Cybertruck is a monster. In the best possible sense. You csnt transition all transport to EVs without a truck by the way
"Tesla charging rates are somewhat bogus for if you look at their charging curve it starts out at their stated rate then drops dramatically"
I said that in the video. That's my point. Same will happen with Aptera charging. 40 kW is the peak rate.
"the engineering aspects of the Aptera make sense for an EV unlike the monstrosity of the Cybertruck (which already suffered its first recall over a trivial engineering slip-up)."
You're cracking me up. Aptera hasn't delivered a car yet and you're criticizing Tesla for delivering 4000 Cybertrucks and having a trivial recall?
Regarding the drag coeff, the model they wind tunnel tested was an older design which has since been significantly improved.
Simplified: battery charging rates ( or discharging) are purely a function of temperature of the cells. The cells temperature can be regulated to increase charge rate or discharge rate.
Aptera say they will use bottom plate tempature regulation, only bottom of the cells in contact with cooling/heating pad. Tesla use side cooling of cells via ribbon type channels, which I suspect will be superior over Apteras system ( its used by many cars though).
What will be max charging rate will be determined by how much they can keep the cells cool while charging, modeling will give an idea, but real world tests will give exact amount is max charge rate...........unknown really until tested.....when packs are built.
Poorly researched, understood, or explained. So much about quoting Kim Java who was slightly incorrect regarding the Drag and then accusing Aptera of being misleading, You are purposely misleading by attributing misinformation to Aptera. The disinformation is you.
If she was incorrect, why didn't Aptera correct her?
You are a FOOOL if you believe in or have invested in Aptera.. Pleas edify BUY some more Aptera stock... 😂
If/when they make it to production the ~ Accelerators come first, in order of investment amount. Then the Paradigm Editions get built. Then they will work on the Launch Edition backlog until those up to 53 Saudi Union Edition Aptera vehicle reservation slots need to be filled in before 2026 ends.
Sixty two Accelerators have over $100K invested. There may be more investors with over this amount who did not join the Accelerator program.
You are taking Kim Java's words as gospel against Aptera's. We did not hear Chris give those values. The new Italian built CPC bodies are just becoming available for real world testing. How they do on specs like these and 3rd party crash testing remains to be seen. Your claim that it will not be as safe as a car will then be proven right or wrong. Aptera still needs to get several bodies, with undercarriage, wheels, and suspension installed and tuned/tested shipped to them so they can assemble production intent vehicles to do these real world tests.
The advantage over Tesla is that Aptera's will likely go over 2.7 miles further down the road for every kWh consumed than a Tesla MY, and that over half of its yearly kWh 's can be harvested for free from its onboard solar. This makes the Aptera an astonishingly economical and astonishingly green way to get from point A to B without emptying your wallet. Def not for everyone, but Aptera will be practical and a sound ethical transport answer for our times, with our accelerating climate disruptions.
"You are taking Kim Java's words as gospel against Aptera's. We did not hear Chris give those values."
We also did not see Aptera dispute those numbers.
"Aptera's will likely go over 2.7 miles further down the road for every kWh consumed than a Tesla MY, and that over half of its yearly kWh 's can be harvested for free from its onboard solar."
Only 2.7? So you're admitting it's less than 7 miles/kWh. Thanks.
Half of its kWh from solar? Uh huh. Sure. Good luck with that.
Oh Boy, Warren on another Aptera rant 😂 🍿!
I LOVE IT ! As its TRUE !!
I think the 0.13 coefficient of drag was measured without mirrors since the assumption was that a camera-view to the rear will eventually replace mirrors.
Another aerodynamic assumption was that the angle of incident air flow is always zero, i.e. no cross-wind. IOW, "hopeful specs".
You telling me that when lucid or Tesla quote a CD they do so based on a crosswind? Doubt it.
@@bob15479 No, I did not tell you that. I implied that the Aptera's CD is greatly dependent on the air's lateral angle of incidence - which causes the CD to vary more than for 4-wheelers. This vehicle should be a 4-wheeler instead of a trike.
Anyway, Aptera's "hopeful specs" are based on 'computer simulation'. We will get real world answers in the coming months. Hopefully their "hopeful specs" will prove a whole lot more reliable than Tesla's were for the Cybertruck!
@@jeffcarlton3590 To be fair, there has been no *published* CAD investigation of cross-wind effects by ANY car manufacturer. But the effects of gusty cross-winds on the Aptera trike should have been investigated extensively by CAD and in the wind tunnel. Now, those effects will only surface - perhaps after fatal crashes - as the Aptera is driven by owners in the real world.
We will get real world answers if they ever deliver a car, 2026 at the earliest.
Aptera will be another Elio, Arcimoto/FUV. Niche pie in the sky product that will never be mass produced.
The 'going concern' text is pretty boilerplate for start ups. There's not really any red flags there for people who are used to investing in start ups. If that's too risky for you, I'd recommend not investing!
It's more than just boilerplate. Read the details.
@@WarrenRedlich it's not though. Try again
@@GoClimbARockEh - APTERA is a FRAUD.
@@markplott4820no, Aptera is a car company
@@GoClimbARockEh- Aptera is an autocycle company. Please do your research before you post.
Where's the 500 mile range Cybertruck?
The AWD Cybertruck with range extender will be available soon with about 450 miles of range
The Aptera will be available with 400 miles of range ... 2028? Never?
@@WarrenRedlich So you are admitting that Tesla lied about the Cybertruck since 450 is not 500?
Lied? They predicted a feature set. A few years later they deliver the car with mostly better features than they said, and one or two things not as good as hoped.
By the time your truck is ready, there will be a 500 mile version available.
@@WarrenRedlich Now, please apply that logic to Aptera. Let's be consistent.
Do you have "issue identification issues" 🤣 The world is BUYING cybertrucks ....
None of your gotcha issues are such a big deal as you seem to think. The 0.15 CD is a preliminary number based on the preproduction prototype. They are going to try to make the final version closer to 0.13. As for the battery, anyone with basic knowledge of EV batteries know that you don't design a battery to be discharged to 0. If you sell a car with a promise of 400 miles that has to be about 80 or 90% of your battery capacity. This also allows for some battery degradation while still keeping the range at least the advertised 400 mile value.
There is a picture of the aptera in a wind tunnel ( turns out they were only there for a few hours), you can see turbulence starts at the top of the roof, clearly visible in the side picture of aptera in that wind tunnel in Italy. Has the wind resistance coefficient been tested or only done by simulation? Did the wind tunnel very quick test give any data or just for the nice pictures as Chris Anthony once said.
Unclear. the test details were not made public to my knowledge.
There are no crash tests for motorcycles which is the predominant category in the US, the other is autocycle. Maybe Elon can put the auto in cycle? They will have independent tests run as if it was a car. The frontal crush can is very large, larger than yours. There is also no EPA rating done. So I believe they will have that tested independently. As you know they have changed the test for EV's and multimode vehicles to reflect real world results [yeah right]. It is as wide as your S up front and 4 " longer than a Prius and more usable space. Vectored thrust on all wheels. Uses the same SMC-CF to create the safety cell of the body is the bed of the cybertruck, the one they dropped bricks into in a promo. Insurance is cheaper and in some states they can have one passenger and use the HOV lanes.
It's wider than an S up front.
People who are investing in these kinds of cars are investing in the future of car manufacturing and are excited about the efficiency. I bought a 180 mile full charge, brand new Tesla Roadster (#7969) for $146K. I did it for advancing the technology, not for a “deal” in comparison to another product. I have owned that roadster and 3 Model S. I won’t ever buy another Tesla. They have great software and they are decent cars. They are not the best. They don’t; compare with luxury EV’s but they do have more range. It takes time for companies to figure all this stuff out. I was not thrilled with my Roadsters full charge distance. And i ran out of battery one time and had to get towed. But i learned. You should understand the purchasers and talk about the difference. If it comes down to just buying an electric car with lots of charging options, buy Tesla. But if you don’t want the status quo, consider this. You don’t have to invest. You can. Buy one once they are selling them.
I have a new name for this vehicle: the Aptera Pyramid.
Boring....i think ill believe Aptera over Kim Jabber (she misspoke perhaps).... we'll wait for you to have your big helping of crow come 2025.
I think you mean 2026 … No wait 2027 🤣🤣
2028.
Tesla has already talked to them about charging and we will be using V2 for the most part. At 40W DC they could in theory get 400 miles of charge if you had a 600 or 1000 mile pack.
As you point out 20-80% is best for a charge curve. So 200 miles in 30 minutes is possible, 240 would be 60%. They have a certified design but promised to work on improving it if possible. Bus bar weight may be a limiting factor. This will be validated with the production packs in the coming months. Once design is set they will submit it to Tesla for approval. You won't mind if you have to share a V2 knowing it can't take more than 60W. And Tesla will know that. I expect with an equal amount of time to get slightly more range than you from 150W in your Tesla. Plus it puts less stress on the batteries. They do think they can get to 150W when they get the 2190's for the 600 mile version.
They say a lot of things. You buy their story telling. I don't. I see the holes. You don't want to see them.
Ford already uses the Tesla charging system. Difference is, they make EV’s and sells them to the public. Aptera does not.
Maybe you look into it better. The investment money isn't applied to the vehicle but to an investment. I actually don't care if their prices are a little bit off. I have heard that the 2,000 accelerator vehicles go first with the 53 will either be next or in parallel towards the end of the build of 2,000. It doesn't really matter. I am comfortable investing and you are welcome to not invest.
I am also welcome to share my opinions with others, right?
@@WarrenRedlich- You can only share positive opinions about Aptera. Anything negative or remotely criticizing the company needs to be banned. Here in America we are about freedom but not when it comes to Aptera.
Asking for a friend, if a person has $10k in Aptera stock how would they sell these and get back out ?
Two options. Easiest is to wait for Aptera to IPO, then sell on the open market. Harder is to arrange a private sale before that happens.
@@GoClimbARockEh The "stock" has no equity backing. All equity is held by primary owners. What you call stock are fun tickets. Since they are printed from nothing, the only way to sell them on secondary market is via big discount. Crypto probably has more value.
Probably can't sell it. Good luck trying.
@@WarrenRedlich there are plenty of transactions happening for people wanting to exit their Aptera positions. Sure, you're probably going to lose money if you sell now. If you want to make money wait for the IPO
I bought, I mean my friend bought , at $3 each and the last time I bothered to check I think they were $8 or $9 each . If they IPO then epic. Although I also agree with @warren , this company will be like FUV . All PowerPoint and no sales
They claim only 6k vehicles sold to break even.. but never explain the numbers 😅
No, they claimed they can break even if they sell at least 6k per year. It was an offhand comment in an interview, and Chris didn't even say how many years of depreciation they're applying to their capex, so we don't know how long they'd need to maintain that rate for the claim to prove true. They don't tell us everything, and that's okay
and I have a Bridge to sell you.
Is it an aerodynamic solar bridge Mark? :-)
well appears I"m wrong, was back in 2007 interview that steve fambro said production would begin next year.........almost 20years ago
🤦🏻♂️ do you even listen to the words spoken in the clip where he said if you were to push the main body part down the highway… 🤦🏻♂️
Tesla Flog
Yes I listened to the words
It's a bullsh-t lie
I came across an article from very early days of aptera where they were saying o.05-0.06 cd
so nothing new there
yikes! thank the troops for the 1st Amendment, lots of incorrect information, but thanks for the clickbate.
Which information is incorrect?
The quotes from Aptera's filings and website?
Kim Java's video which Aptera participated in?
Actually Warren, they have had that language about selling future securities for less than current securities on all their 253G2 filings. Doesn't make it any better but this is the first time they placed it on their annual report
For a 100 million they could have made thousands by hand, thats how the chinese have done it, hard work by many hands, but they prefer the high life flying all over the world throwing money away where-ever, its not there money............lets spend it all.....and live high on the hog........
What if I claim I have a car with negative coefficient of drag........car pushes itself down the road using little know effect........where the air pinches the back of the car like squeezing a grape seed it flies forward........want to invest......min. $100,000 and you get lunch with me.
This is a niche market vehicle at best. It looks like a reject from the 1970’s gas crunch three wheelers.
Hey there Warren, have you seen Thunderfoot’s latest attack video of you? You were featured in his latest video
I caught glimpses. I find the guy unwatchable and he wasn't making a lot of sense.
There still seems to be a lot of confusion around the phrase, 'going concern', so I wanted to break it down a bit. I think the issue is people see the word 'concern' and get.... well, concerned about it. But in that phrase, that word is not being used with it's common definition. It doesn't mean 'something to worry about'. Instead, it's using an archaic definition that means something akin to 'a commercial entity or enterprise'. Most people today would use the word 'business' in place of 'concern', if they were trying to build the same phrase. So when you see the phrase 'going concern', you can think 'ongoing business' instead to get the correct meaning.
Being a 'going concern' is a good thing. If your business is not a going concern, that means it's actively failing. Those are the only two options here: going concern, or failing. If you are not a going concern, then you are likely already preparing for bankruptcy, liquidation, etc. Pretty much every company on the nasdaq is a going concern. Amazon is a going concern. They don't bother mentioning it in their SEC filings because no one has any doubt about it. But if Amazon were to suffer some catastrophic blow to their business, you can bet their auditors would weigh in on the matter in their next filing. For a company like Amazon, it would have to be a truly epochal event. But let's say that a meteor dropped on Seattle, both killing 60% of Amazon's corporate workforce, and proving once and for all that return-to-office mandates were a bad idea. There would be widespread, justified worry over whether Amazon would be able to continue as a company, and the auditors would absolutely include their opinion.
Legally, the phrase means that the auditors believe the company is likely to be able to operate indefinitely. In practice, that assessment is generally considered to be limited to the next twelve months. You'll see such statements in SEC filings for almost all pre-revenue startups, as well as any company that has any appearance of struggling. As I said elsewhere, it's not exactly high praise, but it's not intended to be. They're simply letting us know that the company has what it needs to keep running along for another year.
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It's not the phrase "going concern" that's the issue. It's the language of that paragraph and supporting information throughout the annual report.
Our auditor has issued a “going concern” opinion.
The company lacks significant working capital and has only recently commenced operations. We will incur significant additional costs before significant revenue is achieved. These matters raise substantial doubt about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern and our existing cash resources are not sufficient to meet our anticipated needs over the next 12 months from the date hereof.
During the next 12 months, the company intends to fund its operations with funds received from our Regulation A offering and our proposed future campaign, and additional debt and/or equity financing as determined to be necessary. There are no assurances that management will be able to raise capital on terms acceptable to the company.
If we are unable to obtain sufficient amounts of additional capital, we may be required to reduce the scope of our planned development, which could harm our business, financial condition and operating results. The financial statements do not include any adjustments that might result from these uncertainties.
@@WarrenRedlich yeah that describes the company pretty well. But again, that's pretty standard stuff for start ups. Have you ever read an SEC filing from a start up before? From your comments, I'm guessing you haven't. You're embarrassing yourself dude.
@@WarrenRedlich Also, you specifically called out the 'going concern' phrase. So whatever dude
Do you work for Aptera? How much are they paying you to troll my channel?
@@WarrenRedlich lol no one is paying me to correct all your misinformation, I do it pro bono. I already answered this in another thread. Pay attention.
Gotta say Warren.... I've heard better marketing videos😂
True
@@WarrenRedlich- sniff, Smells like NIKOLA ......lol.
check out the amazing summary of Aptera's last detailed timeline of their current project.... "uhmmm aptera ehhh, amazing"
7:14 Warren is so pedantic and negative on the company, he can't even think straight. It hasn't occurred to him that perhaps the discrepancy in the efficiency numbers and the pack size may be Aptera factoring in a power reserve, for pack longevity, which is common practice for EVs. He clearly also hasn't watched all of their most recent videos, as Aptera said they made recent improvements to the design to get the CD down to 0.13 from the previous 0.15. This is just like the video he did a year or so ago where he said they were lying about using generative AI to help design their product, even argued with me about it when I told him they were using an off the shelf product. That product is called AirShaper by the way, and AirShaper did a video about their work with Aptera: "Behind the Wheel: CEO Insights and Aerodynamics of the Solar-Powered Aptera". Warren is really putting in a half baked effort to discredit Aptera.
8:04 That's completely BS, they're super close to manufacturing. 🙄🤦 They are in the process of manufacturing start up now. A 2025 launch is super doable from where they currently are. But even if it does slip, as Elon says, manufacturing is hard. Tesla has slipped on many projected launch dates. But if you just look at what they have already done, it's super obvious this isn't vaporware.
8:15. They are using a heavier than intended cooling system, as they are using off the shelf parts for this (instead of the bespoke system they had designed) to simplify the vehicle's launch, so this is an increase in design weight. But they have also moved to forged carbon fiber (from the originally spec'd fiberglass) for structural components, and I believe they now have a net weight savings. The nice thing about Aptera is that it's a modular design, and the company believes in right to repair. So you will be able to upgrade systems over time, as updates come out, should you want to. Though, when they naturally wear out, would be the most logical time to do it.
10:46. Warren, you should keep to your wheelhouse, instead of talking about stuff you don't understand. These other vehicles are charging well above a 1C rating, which means they can't sustain it, especially as the internal friction starts to increase as they approach being full, so they have to use a dynamic charging curve. Aptera is charging at a mere 1C rating, which means they can maintain that speed the entire time. The cells could charge even faster, if Aptera had more sophisticated charging circuitry, like what Tesla is using. The limit for the Aptera's charging ability is not the cells, therefore, it doesn't need to slow down to a 1C rate as it gets full, because it never goes above a 1C rate in the first place. If you knew as much about batteries as you think you do, you'd understand that just from looking at Aptera's specs.
12:00. This is some shallow thinking man. If there is a line, all Tesla has to do is limit your charge times, and tell customers that there is a 20 minute limit, or whatever, then the supercharger cuts you off. You get however much you get. And of course, they could charge a premium for the slower charge rate, especially during congested times. This would be super easy to accomplish. That's assuming there are all that many Aptera customers who need to hog super chargers, since the car will charge on its own, and cover 90%+ of your daily power needs. So the Aptera owner only needs these on long trips, or every once in a while when they can't harvest enough sunlight. And they probably don't "want" to fully charge, unless they are on a long trip, as they want to have some empty battery for their solar to charge up.
12:43. Oh, so you do realize that other vehicles charge at 3C, and yet you're shocked that Aptera can maintain its 1C charging speed for the entire charging duration! LMAO!!!! 😂🤣😂. You can't make this stuff up! Come on man, you are really embarrassing yourself here! You just rebutted your earlier point from 10:46 and you don't even realize it!!! But here's the thing, Aptera doesn't need a 3C charging rate, because they don't need a HUGE battery to power the Aptera. This means they can build the vehicle cheaper and lighter, and still provide a respectable 400-600 miles per hour charging rate. If they were charging at 3C, then they'd have 1,200 miles per hour for the first ~50-60%, probably 800 miles (2C) to 80%, and then 400 miles per hour (1C) from there to 100%. But they don't need it, especially when they are just trying to get the car built and out the door. One second you don't think it's real, the next you're upset they're making decisions inline with being sure they can build it, and do it profitably.
I'm going to stop my running commentary here, as we've gotten past the engineering segments which Warren is clearly out of his depth on, and we're now moving past my area of knowledge and expertise in the following segments, so I'm going to shut my mouth. But considering how hard he dropped the ball to this point, I'd take everything else he says with a HUGE grain of salt, as accuracy is clearly no more a priority for him than he's claiming it isn't for Aptera.
"hasn't watched all of their most recent videos, as Aptera said they made recent improvements to the design to get the CD down to 0.13 from the previous 0.15"
The 0.13 claim is an old claim, not new
" they're super close to manufacturing"
Uh huh ... sure
"keep to your wheelhouse, instead of talking about stuff you don't understand. These other vehicles are charging well above a 1C rating, which means they can't sustain it, especially as the internal friction"
I understand that internal friction is nonsense
"you're shocked that Aptera can maintain its 1C charging speed for the entire charging duration"
Aptera has not claimed this. You want it to be true.
@@WarrenRedlich If you understand "internal friction" is nonsense, then you don't understand anything. Batteries don't just "magically" work. There is electron migration that occurs, and this migration generates heat (that is friction dude). As long as the migration is below the rate the battery can shed that heat it can maintain the rate indefinitely. Basically all lithium chemistries used in EVs and most consumer electronics can maintain a 1C rate through their entire charge cycle.
Regardless of whether Aptera has claimed that they the can maintain a 1C rate or not, it doesn't change the fact this is how it works. In fact, the documentation was claiming that, right in front of your face, you just didn't understand it. Additionally, Chris Anthony has talked about this in his interviews, so Aptera has officially said this as well, you just aren't aware, because you're haven't done your homework.
Did you mean "internal resistance"?
@@WarrenRedlich you're still being a pedant huh? Well regardless of the word games, the point is still just as valid. Friction is a universal principle, just like entropy. Sometimes we come up with special names for specific applications, but still the same fundamental law of the universe. But like I said, achieving a 1C rate is nothing special. It doesn't require anything special. Getting above 1C is where all of the extra engineering and effort comes in. The specs you yourself read stated a 1C rate. The fact you seem to think the batteries Aptera is using can't maintain a 1C rate, because other EVs can't maintain a 3C rate, is funny. The fact you then complain about the fact Aptera is at a 1C rate when other EVs are at a 3C rate, is again funny. Given the light of the prior (no duh Aptera can maintain 1C and other people can't maintain 3C for the entire charge time), and given the fact you seem to think it's vaporware (when Aptera are being very practical in their targets). If Aptera were just making up numbers, they would have told you something more impressive than 1C, like perhaps 3C.
sadly, It's turning into a EV Fyre Festival
It might be they are starting to think they are special since they have so much investment hence the $1k lunches, they will be special if I see aptera on the road in the next 50 years
Im buying this thing free power I'm little concerned they won't start until money is secured
I would like to know what happened to chris anthonys' former businesses, in particular the boat company, epic boats. There was another epic boats company separate to his, which on the internet appears he might have bought at some stage. Its all pretty murky to get good info on the net.
Also he says he has had 9 start ups, what happened to each one.
First Aptera went through 20 million apparently, where did that money come from.
At the moment there are 5 vehicles, they claim 100 million raised, plus 20 million from 1st aptera startup,
so you could say 20 million per vehicle roughly, I know thats not accurate.
Your puting a hell of alot of trust in these people if you give them your money.
I think that Tesla is extremely unique car company, I doubt it can be duplicated, the time for a solar car I dont think has arrived as yet, though I hope I am proved wrong.
park on the road and people will damage the car as its different, they do it to teslas too.
Those front wheels are going to be crashed into
Just like every other car
It’s fugly too
@@carlosjaimes4141 But that's just, like, your opinion, man
We have been down this road before. The previous teardrop car was the "dimaxion" car by Buckminster Fuller. A low c.d. by itself is not enough.
With all this talk of UAE… what’s the chances they’re courting Saudi backing ala Lucid?
Possible. Or just UAE backing.
@@WarrenRedlich - Kashooggi.
:-)
Tesla don't make vehicles with less than four wheels for a reason.
I tend to watch this channel as to what NOT to buy or invest in. Plainly speaking I do exactly opposite of what you recommend.
Good luck with that. If you bought Lucid stock when I said it was a fraud you'd be down a lot.
@@WarrenRedlich And Tesla in the future ?
You checking the stonks lately?
@@WarrenRedlich Long term, they will be gone.
@@WarrenRedlich I always check stocks but stonks I am not familiar with.
another clueless wanna be.....
Wanna be what?
Also, if not autonomous, it will become obsolete very quickly.
It will be obsolete with or without autonomy. Cost per mile autonomous would be too high. Vehicle won't last long so amortize the cost over smaller number of miles. And 3-wheel format means greater tire wear.
@@WarrenRedlich Lol yeah because tire wear is the one and only metric that defines whether cars will become obsolete. OMFG dude you are a joke
One and only? I talked about amortizing and tires.
Tires could easily add up to 2-3 cents per mile. It's significant.
I threw the $100 deposit, but that's all from me.
UAE won’t get theirs till 2026
The accelerators get theirs starting at the end of this summer.
"The accelerators get theirs starting at the end of this summer."
Pretty amazing since they don't start production until 2025
@@WarrenRedlich - Are you sure about that? They keep changing the dates so this time it's different?
I don't think tested 0.15 Cd is final size mirrors and the wheel covers are likely to have more clearance and thus higher again Cd.
The wind tunnel tests were done on a gamma vehicle - which has a different size and shape from the production vehicles.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Testing comments from fan boys is ridiculous. When will Aptera drive around San Diego for a few hours and demonstrat current miles/kWh? Even if they only have 10-13 kWh battery, that test could be done tomorrow!!
@@artsmith103 Comments from people who do zero research and have gotten almost every fact wrong, even when they were reading from an SEC report is what is ridiculous. People need to do their own research rather than listen to somewhat who made up his mind before he learned actual facts.
@@n.brucenelson5920 I got PE license first sitting, Eng Degree from top 5 school in US, designed and installed 3.3kW gridtie array, have mobile solar on boats and van, have helped design solar at a few other gridtie locations, installed my own geothermal and air/air heatpumps, career specialty was heat transfer, fluid mechanics and reactor design and have been driving PHEV for some time. I could probably put half of Aptera staff to shame.
Confirm this info yes or no: Aptera gamma battery is 10-13 kWh, there is no motor or battery cooling in gamma, gamma has no regenerative braking, no solar rear hatch prototype has been installed on a prototype? Just do the miles/kWh test tomorrow for a few hours and answer half the questions.
@@n.brucenelson5920
Please mr Nelson, even your own Reddit does not take your serious anymore.
You block and remove everyone that you dont like
Go find something useful to do
Great video, always curious about Aptera
Glad it was helpful!
Finally give up on tesla?
My question is, if efficiency is the big factor of Aptera, why side by side seating?
They still don't have regenerative braking. No battery or motor cooling.
@@artsmith103 I think their goal is smart, their implementation dum dum.
@@Joe4show I could write paragraphs. They are promoting low capability, interesting looking vehicle that solves problems that don't exist with solutions that don't work. They are giving betas validation for limiting their achievement and lowering lifestyle in the name of fake climate change.
2 seats, 3 wheels should be cheap. Cheap means small battery. If they really can get close to 8 miles/kWh at slower in town speeds, solar adding some 20 miles/day is meaningful with a small battery because $1,000 of solar is a cheaper way to add 100 miles/wk compared $2,000 more battery and the electricity is free. I think they totally missed their market: motors too big, battery too big, price to high. $25K max for suburban/urban toy.
@@artsmith103 They have all those things. wtf dude.
@@GoClimbARockEh I don't suggest you waste your time looking but if you want to post evidence of any of those 3 that would be great. When you can't find it, ask yourself how it happened that you were so sure they did.
Edit: What size battery kWh do you think is in Gamma?
Aptera is still implying delivery 2025 and the UAE delivery is 2026. So they're pretending no conflict for now.
No, they said production in 2025, not delivery.
@@WarrenRedlich Delivery of the first promised USA Accelerator LE in 2025. Then delivery of UAE Accerator gold version in 2026. But they are already 6 months late on USA delivery development and finances are inadequate to finish. The design is not completed. Some of the parts don't exist. Key performance aspects have never been demonstrated. Then there's the crash test nonsense.
NO, money down, works on Contingency ?..........lol.
@@WarrenRedlich So now your theory is that they're going into production in 2025, but then holding on to the cars until 2026? That's more nonsensical than most of what you've said here
"So now your theory is that they're going into production in 2025"
They say they're going into production in 2025 (which I think is false - never get to production and if they do it will be limited and later)
But production in 2025 likely means late 2025 so deliveries would be 2026. It takes time to go from production to deliveries. You don't understand production.
they've been saying production this year since 2021
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Warren I’m going to be totally honest. I believe in the sincerity of Aptera’s leadership and in the viability of the product, but my last best hope to keep me from being a bag holder is that Tesla will unveil a 3-wheeler in August and put Aptera on the map lol😂
Viability of the product?
How is it viable? $33K for a 2 seater that isn't crashworthy, has crappy software (if it ever gets software) and will never be manufactured at scale.
Did you not listen to ANYTHING Warren said? My God the writing is on the wall and he just went over it in great detail!!! Believing in sincerity ?? Again after all the financials / details he meticulously provided? Wow…..
@@WarrenRedlichit is crashworthy and people have already been hands on with their first few revisions in software and they are making good progress with the updates to the software
@@DenieBernier If you read the materials that Warren provided and his explanation of it you see he is mistaken about many things and is a poor reporter of facts. As an investor I actually read the info Aptera provides. By the way, he is wrong regarding what he is implying about Sarah Hardwick's timeline and current role at Aptera as well. See her interview with Drive the Lightning for the facts - which was finished before Warren did this.
@@DenieBernier I disagree with most of what Warren has put out on Aptera
Aptera is the new Elio.
Overall, I feel sorry for Aptera fans.
Many of them believe this is the second coming of transportation.
The reality, as demonstrated by Aptera’s epic failure to follow the most basic steps of product development (test mules) and production setup (none) over the past year, is impending disappointment.
They are not even “going through the motions” of what successful manufacturers do. Ask one.
The crowdfunders simply don’t get it, and the fans don’t see it.
Last November’s “PI’s completed in the first few months of next year”, “crash data by mid-year”, and recently, “break even at 6,000 units per year” only require the passage of time to show how absolutely valueless their promises are.
An 88” wide 2-seat 3-wheeler is not the "path to solar mobility”.
It's an ill-fated fringe proposal from a group with no manufacturing understanding or capability to pull it off.
How anyone can continue to get sucked in by things like “1 every 12 minutes” and “1 million by 2030”, WHEN THEY CAN’T EVEN BUILD ONE, after years, is astounding.
It doesn’t get much worse than this.
Except for maybe the baseless 6,000 vehicle/year break-even claim...
People fall for good story telling and pretty pictures
Spot on. Shades of Elio….
No one can compare Aptera Corp with Elio motors with a straight face. Elio never had production tooling or a patent portfolio.
@@n.brucenelson5920
Are you gonna spam every comment here, do that on your own toy, your Reddit group where you as THE ONLY ADMIN get downvoted constantly
@@shrimptopian3392 Have you been experiencing TH-cam deleting your comments? I only experience it with longer fact filled Aptera posts. It's not the channel owners.
@@artsmith103
Yes i do
@@artsmith103
I wish TH-cam would delete nelsons posts 😂
The Aptera would only be viable at $10k or less
But that's how much a 45 kWh battery pack costs, if not more
@@WarrenRedlich exactly.