What's the Far Future of Intelligence in the Universe? | Episode 213 | Closer To Truth
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- Consider humanity's astounding progress in science during the past three hundred years. Now take a deep breath and project forward, oh say, three billion years. Featuring interviews with Freeman Dyson, Lawrence Krauss, Raymond Kurzweil, Frank Tipler, Robin Collins, and Paul Davies.
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Can't get enough of Closer to Truth. Awesome. Intensely thought provoking. Balanced. Exceptionally well done Mr. Kuhn!
I agree with you, John.
Indeed, I get closer to Truth every time I watch this channel!
It's always a great pleasure to listen to Dr. Kuhn 'cause he nails exactely our couriosity and offers several prospectives. Thank you
Robin Collins has the best anaolgy and the best blended theory yet. Bright Guy--more of him please.
I think I remember seeing a Michio Kaku video where he said life could possibly create a pocket universe and escape into that before this universe ends!
LOL
He did a speach 10 years ago about what the future will be like and got nothing right at all.
@@purecountry6672 Interesting, I remember seeing a speech where he got a lot right about the future.
@@jeremymr search "the world in 2030"
@@purecountry6672 it's not 2030 tho! haha
I just discovered this channel and I’m so glad I did. Fascinating discourse
'The best way to look at this is through science fiction' LMAO. Says it all. Utter nonsense
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Careful...he has a lot of problems with his arguments, and is heavily stilted to one "agenda"
@@DawnHub666 it’s all theoretical. The plausibility can be measured, but not proven. “Sci-fi” isn’t a far fetched comparison to what could theoretically happen.
@@meganz020 they are just dreaming
This channel definitely deserves millions of subscribers ...it has got hell lot of information ...
Yeah the problem is people care more about TickTock and stupid ass TV shows like Game of Thrones and American Idol all that usual crap. Instead of more meaningful things like history, and science.
RIP Freeman Dyson
Humanity has a wonderful future in store if we can keep from destroying ourselves.
the truth is there isn't a person smart enough on this planet to even speculate what a thousand years in the future would be like..you can guess but i promise it will be wrong.
or, it may be partially correct----i do believe that without atomic destruction, or a natural//artificial disease or meteorite, we will go out into the solar system, galaxy, other galaxies. It is what humans do and at each stage, we do it more efficiently
Nobody will be around to say I told you so.
Fun to think about. Especially the paradigm shifting discoveries or innovations. Like the internet. Something profound will come along that none of us predict.
We'll probably have another downfall of civilization just like after the Roman Empire followed by another Renaissance
As long as you're only discussing speculation, there is at least one person capable of it. To grossly oversimplify the state of intelligence in humans, you could postulate that only 10 people exist, and they all interact with one another. 5 are pretty smart, and they know who they are, and they know the other 5 are pretty stupid. The stupid 5 do just what stupid people do now: they assume everyone else is just as stupid as they are. In this scaled down reality, anything is possible. For example, if all 5 smart ones survive, and the others do not, then intelligence improves in the immediate future. If this does not happen, then then the AVERSGE intelligence is lowered in the immediate future. Use any scale you might care to, the principle stays the same.
I thoroughly enjoy the subjects and guests you choose to conversate with!
Is there any content out there that expands on mr Tipler's ideas, specifically why he concludes "physics require an intelligence to move out and cancel the expansion of the universe"?
IIRC, this channel has a few shorter clips from this interview with Tipler that contains parts of Tipler's argument that this video had to cut out. He elaborates on those questions in more detail there.
Ultimately his book "The Physics of Immortality" elaborates his argument in more detail, but in a nutshell his argument is that the laws of physics are inconsistent unless the universe collapses into a big crunch in a very specific and intricate way, and intelligent life is the only way that the universe could be controlled to collapse in this way. Intelligent life will be motivated to do this because it wants to survive, and this big crunch will release enough energy to allow intelligence to experience an infinite amount of subjective time.
But since the universe is currently accelerating, it wouldn't collapse unless life actually turned off the acceleration and forced a recollapse, which Tipler believes could happen by manipulating CP-violating processes.
Robert is a Master on these great subjects. Interviews the best minds on earth.
His guests are fantastic, but his personality is one that I would have expected to be parodied by SCTV in 1984.
Wonderful food for thought! And the best was served up last. Paul Davies is always a breath of fresh air and his books are always interesting and well worth reading.
Mr. Kohn,
I want you to know again how wonderful you are to our world’s information that we can see our “Reality” can think about. For all the regular info. about reality there are some any things what is all about. But listening to your discussions there are many ways that our world shows it to you. Consciences to me, and possibly others, and I know that you have gotten to other explanations about reality, I am loving about your work that someday we will eventually take your videos as great real information to move us into property of feelings of REALITY.
I love you forever!!!!!!
"Living Conscious System" great words used by Prof. Krauss. This is such a great documentary thanks to CTTT and all of you for this !
What a great channel, I will enjoy all the content with gratitude. Finally the food my soul loves!
Robert’s reaction to Frank Tipler is priceless, perhaps Frankie Baby is right.
Wonderful and exciting!
They used to call him Freeman “The Demon” Dyson. Now he just makes killer vacuums!
Space is mostly a vacuum, so it kinda makes sense.
@@ClarkW60 oh snap! Touché
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What an incredible question. I'm glad that the title was for the far future of intelligence rather than humans or the planet Earth. If we don't include the possibility of alien intelligences then the answers could be truly mind blowing. If we just concentrate on intelligence, artificial or otherwise then the evolution of the the human mind/s could possibly spread throughout the galaxy.
Well done. This episode perfectly sums up my existential dread.
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👉📣 One great episode with abandons of inspirations and of course very close to the truth indeed 👍🤞
"These pretzels are making me thirsty!"
"You' re gonna say it like that?"
No, no, no. It should be more like, "These pretzels...are making me thirsty!!"
@@nodammit no,no. Thats no good. See, you dont know how to act.
The far future of the human race will be like a Seinfeld episode?
Truth.
AMAZING !!
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This issue entirely depends on whether digital entities or representations of us can have subjective experience. I have no doubt that human *influence* will spread to other worlds (just as it has already done on Mars). It's just a matter of whether subjective experience is there or not.
Biology looks to me to be a phase, not a destination. It seems that bioetch entities will emerge from the current milieu. As biology increasingly gives way to technology, this new state of intelligence will become robust and long-lived enough to travel to handle interstellar distances. That will be the real game-changer, potentially allowing intelligence to spread around the galaxy.
Thanks for not reading, as usual :)
Well said, "biology" can only be a stage for "human", "human" can only be a stage for "intelligence".
If we have the same basic needs a million years from now as we do today then everything will be the same but with faster computers.
A K3 civilization in the Kardashev scale handles interstellar distances. In this episode, Frank Tipler talk of a K7 and claims to have the mathematics to prove that intelligence will get there. Poincare has a recurrence theorem that says the same thing in different ways as Tipler. The issue of subjective experience must have a material basis because it decays, it follows the second law. Mathematics is the only field of the universe with no material basis. It doesn't decay, it is impervious to the second law. Sadly, some try to use the primitive stage of our understanding of consciousness as contraband to claim that it comes from some "other place." Be careful when "the other place" comes fully equipped with prophets, seers and a paraphernalia of rituals, temples and sacred books.
Realized my answer wasn't clear. I believe technology guided by proper mathematics will create subjective experience. Consciousness has a material basis, we will crack the code, intelligence will see itself.
@@CarlosElio82 Yours view reminds me of IIT, where sentience is a matter of putting information in the right configuration at sufficient complex interconnectedness. Hope so. I wonder if water will always be required or if the fluid dynamics that seemingly play a pivotal role can be replicated with electricity?
The problem with being certain about how the universe will end is that we have no idea what caused it to begin in the first place. And this is such a huge hole in our knowledge and understanding of our universe, that we should keep it in mind to avoid being certain about anything, including the far distant future of our universe.
We have no idea when, how, or if another universe might begin right in the middle of our universe. Because we don't know what conditions are necessary for a universe to begin. And we have no idea how likely or unlikely such conditions are to arise.
A common bias people have in their thinking is that they assign low probability to possibilities with unknown probabilities due to lack of information. And sometimes people assign 0% probability to possibilities they know little about. Because they aren't even thinking about such possibilities. It's not a part of their consideration. Which is a mistake in their thinking and understanding. Because not knowing something doesn't make it improbable.
Very unlikely, improbable.. since it only supposedly happened once
@@nynjgreekcapo4430 Having only one data point means that you can draw almost no conclusions about it in a meaningful way.
And according to Einstein, time is relative to the observer. So, just because something hasn't yet happened for a long time from our point of view doesn't necessarily mean that it's unlikely and improbable from another point of view, where time is different from ours.
@@mikedziuba8617 We don't know if time can pass different and living creatures could still emerge. Everything you're saying is also only a proposition, without any example to support your ideas.
How do we know something is not possible what we think is not possible is also a part of epistemology, but only for advanced students.
@@xspotbox4400 It's common knowledge that scientists don't know what caused the Big Bang. You don't need any quotes or examples of something that's widely accepted as true.
@@mikedziuba8617 People in sciences do care about verifiable facts because their carriers depend on that.
Big bang was never a theory, it's still only a hypothesis, never verified by any experimental model and doesn't fit in structure of scientific knowledge.
Great episode!
The singularity!!! I’ll be 90. I can’t wait.
Wonderful
Now i can relax and fall asleep
Hey, how do I get one of those fancy jobs where we just make stuff up all day? 🤣
Try at Disney.
Exactly !!
I also had the idea that in the future we’d be able to bring back everyone from the dead. Partially out of necessity. If you figured out immortality what good is having dead people who could otherwise contribute to the species
You might enjoy Professor Frank Tyler's book [i]The Physics of Immortality [/i]. It's very good.
Oh, I see now (should've waited, I guess 🥴) that Professor Tipler is in there.
Sometimes I already feel like it takes a billion years to collect a thought 🤔
While highly improbable, franks idea is truly desirable
Perhaps a slowing down of information capability is a vital part of a coalescence and merging into quantum possibilities. Where speed is again relative to the universe's quantum possibility.
The far future of intelligence... Maybe its beginning?
Quantum Fields aren't just along for the Ride...they Are the Ride. When finally detached from all physical matter they still feel fine. Not despondent at all, but , rather Anticipatory.
Nice one, doc.
Go Bluejays!
I was promised flying cars and supersonic jet liners. So much for those projections.
So much speculation. Fun to engage in, but let's figure out how to survive the next few decades without going back to stone tools. I read Tipler's book. I think he's nutty, but it's worth a read.
In the far future intelligence will watch the googol'th episode of Closer To Truth.
At 16:19 my man is thinking “WTF are you smoking Dude?”
This is like Xavier Renegade Angel with improved production quality.
wonderful video . The whole subject is based on supposing we are the only intelligence that exists in this whole universe.
I think that trying to extrapolate what the future holds is a fools game. The problem is that most people think that the future would be similar to the present, but with bigger machines, faster transport and computers, but that people will still be people. But the truth is we will undoubtedly get it wrong. As in the future everything will change, the science will be different and unimaginable and the technology will be beyond our understanding not to mention society and intelligence. Just one black swan event would throw off all our predictions, and there is likely going to be a lot more than one black swan event. Making the future unpredictable.
Intelligence is only half of the picture. If the growth of ‘being’ does not keep up with intelligence things will continue to become wonkier than they are right now. ‘Being
Being limits intelligence
@@michaelterry3958 your true Ultimate BEING is Absolute Intelligence.
@@garychartrand7378 We don’t experience absolutes but can recognize levels through their vibrational content. It’s a law, one cannot see beyond their own level. To attain that a teacher is required
@@michaelterry3958 your soul or spirit is absolute - no teacher required. Talking about vibrations can be vague.
@@garychartrand7378 Yes talking about vibrations is vague. But the experience of vibrations through sensation and affinity is what I am talking about. There is an inner experience of the vibrational level of being, in-fact the only way to experience it.
One thing we do know about the far future already is how communication will occur across an entire universe .
Waves !
Radiation, electromagnetic and gravitational.
These already travel across our universe
What's the name of the song at 20:44? I like a lot of the classical music they feature on this show but I don't see music details in the description. Any idea who the artist is?
Civilizations in the far future will think their galaxy is the only galaxy in the universe because the other galaxies will be beyond the cosmic horizon. Maybe we can leave monoliths that show them they are part of a much bigger universe.
Worm holes
imo, we're going to have to leave things they can find. Something that bends spacetime, regularly draws energy, etc.
The very best
RIP Steven Weinberg.
What?
@@User-jr7vf Yes, He passed away on July 23, 88 years old, one day after the publication of an interview with Him on CTT channel.
Lou said it. Our hubris is the problem.
Are the galaxy and universe environments that we have to survive while developing a more conscious civilization?
Can you imagine there's a cake out there and eat it?
Great show in general...really hate the opening music. LOL!
I always believed that intelligence and evolution of the consciousness are a part of the process, and we as an intelligent species confirms that intelligence is computable and something that can be created, be understood.
What is next for life and mind in universe? Is this universe open to develop potential?
19:47 yeah I’m pretty sure a caterpillar can imagine itself becoming a butterfly in your hypothetical
@10:00. what is this “ fluctuation” he is talking about? What can’t we create it?
great content bro ... please speed up your solo narrative
So, what if we live in a transitional area of the universe where, life depends on a standing wave that is transient by nature. As expansion increases, harmonics change and our resonant existence must adapt or move in relation to the center frequency that supports everything around us.
Just listen to what is said in each belief ( I believe ) (I think )
For us to have the audacity to think after this amount of evolution we are the final product
Science and philosophy are intrinsically connected, complexity is perpetual even against an entropic paradigm, and life immitates art...
Freeman Dyson gives genius futuristic answers, then turns to Robert after the cameras cut to ask him how to change the ringtone on his smartphone, lol.
I'd like to get a religious persons take on this in the interviews.....j/k haha
In all seriousness though, great interviews and thought provoking subject. Love watching your videos.
Which religion? They ALL have different ideologies. May I suggest that ONLY Spirituality offers the Truth.
He said ...if rate of change of expansion exponential ...,he didn't say... if universe accelerated....
Now acceleration of expansion itself can be exponential or linear, or...
If you're into hard sci-fi and the subject of humanity's fate billions of years in the future, read Manifold: Time by Stephen Baxter. It's a wild trip!
@UChDpd35m978F_MXi0P4eovw The book is packed with a lot of ideas, astronomy, probability, genetic engineering. Without too many spoilers, it involves a character named Reid Malenfant, a self-made businessman like Elon Musk, who receives a message sent back in time from humanity's descendants far, far in the future - trillions of trillions of years.
Intelligence is self-defeating in its nature
Superposition tells us about the future of intelligence in k e word-unification. If the grounds of Being are eternal-how could they not be-then such intelligence already is. In theology, that is spiritual lineage, or the flow from before the beginning.
BTW, projecting far into the future carries with it some ethical imperatives for survival if not even for harnessing and governing technical exponentiation. If we are not the first intelligent life in this galaxy, much less the universe, then these ethical imperatives have likely already been mastered.
First aired: 2008
Does the difficulty of finding other intelligent life in galaxy and meaning in the universe indicate consciousness to be the far future of intelligence in universe?
Is the Mars rover an evidence for life on Mars?
Did he say the earth will heat to 1000 degrees in 2 billion years? Whew! I thought he said 2 MILLION there for a second
Try to imagine a billion years. As Homer said...Oooo, donut.
13:20: "One kg of matter can o 10^50 calculations per second". So how does that work? 1 KG of matter roughly has 10^27 atoms (give or take). In order to achieve 10^50 calculations per second every single atom must make 10^23 calculations per second. This is impossible, even with light speed, not to mention that there is currently no way that one atoms calculates on its own, not needing a power lines etc.. The guy is not taking physics into account, he thinks "oh we double in calculation power in the past, why not in the future"...
I think life is eternal, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
Frank Tipler spoke at my university back in the 90s, soon after he published his book The Physics of Immortality. Once he got to the part where we're all going to be resurrected in the far future, people started walking out of the auditorium.
I think his bizarre core idea is that nearly infinite computing power will become available as the Universe collapses to a singularity, allowing it to become a kind of supercomputer. Creating complete simulations of humanity will be possible from the near infinite amount of energy squashed into space. And Tipler believes a simulation that matches you down to the quantum level **is** you - your consciousness will be transported to your simulated body in the deep future when you die. No matter we'll be in the final seconds of the Big Crunch, since our perception of time will have sped up exponentially in the simulation.
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expansion of universe is not linear .i belive expansion occurs due to ultrafast replication of singularity one at a time forming the universe layer by layer .so expansion varies from extrafast around its center to zero at its boundries .that is the universe expands for ever while our life supporting will tranfer in to non supportive portion and newer ones emegrge from the center.
Intelligence is eternal so it can survive any condition in the universe
The black cloud theory sounds like my neighborhood crack head thinking out loud
Given our credulousness, preference for irrationality over reason, penchant for destructiveness and aggression, I doubt there is any "far future" for human kind.
I'm guessing when space has expanded exponentially meaning the space in between the molecules and atoms would be ripped apart
I like frank if that was his name idk the dude who said he believes in physics, our future views align closely
When we consider the godlike powers far distant future intelligence might have, is it really so difficult to imagine godlike intelligence existing during the period of human history? I have been giving consideration to the idea that perhaps religions are primitive and imperfect shadows of the projections of such intelligences into human consciousness. This episode encourages me that such a possibility isn’t outside the scope of reasonable speculation.
Well, without science development, nobody would see any reason to believe in aliens.
People imagined there could be other people walking on the moon, but they didn't know anything about the moon and nobody could say can this idea be true or not. Now we know there's a lot of interesting stuff and lands up there, so it makes sense to look for other forms of life.
Problem is, the rest of our solar system is dead, so we must find a way to explore impossible distances we might never be able to reach in person. The same goes for aliens, there's no reason to believe any other intelligent life can travel around the space faster than life, that might be impossible forever and for anybody.
What i try to say is, if you don't have the technologies required, there's no way to see alien life or even believe it might be a real possibility. But compared to ghost and demons, this idea makes sense, at least
where is the graveyard? a very peacefull place..
I don’t like the word disorder, it’s just changing states, switching from one type of order to another. We just don’t have the imagination or computation capability yet to take advantage of it. Time crystals and entropy engines hint at such possibilities.
Canned air is the solution when oxygen levels begin to drop.
The far, far distant future has scientists theorizing where science fiction dwells. And theologies take imaginative flights towards unfounded revelations.
Therefore, the far, far distant future is currently a mystery to mortal humans. However, the Creator of the universe has a plan.
The future has no time.
There always was and will always be ONLY - NOW.
Meaning and purpose other than what we make up ourselves? Are you saying that our meaning and purpose, will, is extraneous? Or are you trying to understand the scope and limits of our will by comparing it to other wills? Is it even possible to compare the human will to the will of our fellow creatures here on Earth, much less unEarthly intelligences?
Brian Greene considers we may be forever in "The Frozen River of Time", so is that an immortality and our afterlife? Aliens of the past, too, will be there in the frozen river.
How might inflation influence reality beyond universe?
Why do they call it inflation if it didn't inflate into anything?
Hah! Like the teaboy wondering about the future of the company.
The idea of a spark of Intelligence in time that flickers out forever is bleak. But the alternative vision of Paul Davies of Intelligence spreading throughout the Universe also does not relate really to human life as we know it and our future. There is something appealing about the idea of a SuperBeing at the beginning and End of all, and the End being another Beginning but how this too relates to the future of humanity, also seems a speculative question only. As an observer of Judaism I wonder if there is any way of connecting a long-term Hope for thinking humanity and Intelligence throughout the Universe with the God of the Tradition.
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Is there transformation not seen already happening?
Can you crap without taking a piss at the same time?
Could there be level of reality beneath quantum reality?
Could there be warms beneath your feet?
Yes. Do you think that God is subject to Quantum laws or is He the Creator and Controller of those laws?
@@garychartrand7378 why is god a he
@@ishikawa1338 Good question John. Language (ALL languages) are very limiting. That's why God usually communicates with EVERYONE in a multitude of other ways - but who listens ❓ Anyway, if you've read other texts of mine you may have noticed that I, at least once, refer to God as "Him/She/It). By the way, it is common respect that we use upper case letters to refer to Him/Her/It. After all, people show respect for YOU by capitalizing Your name. God deserves no less.
Your short question requires a somewhat lengthy response. It's true that in the minds of most people - God is considered a "He", but this is very immature and narrow-minded thinking. To those of us "in the know", we use "He" as a convention for brevity instead of the inaccurate and lengthy Him/Her/It. At one time in our history, women ruled and God was considered a "She" (also immature and narrow-minded). God is all that is AND all that isn't. In other words - our limited brains CANNOT even conceive God. God, in reality is neither a He, She or It. GOD JUST IS. In God's realm there is no up or down, left or right, hot or cold, male or female, ect. ect.. In other words, contrary to the ideology of our Muslim brothers and sisters, there is no need of sex - everything is one. It's only in this physical playground of duality that sex is needed for procreation. God does not require sex to Create Spirit children ( who also do not require a gender). Besides, what good would sex in Heaven be when we are constantly all hanging out in a bliss that defies words. The idea that female virgins await those in Heaven is so ludacris. This only alludes to a false idea that men are superior to women. So very wrong and chauvinistic. As souls men and women are EQUAL. Man is NOT superior to women - just different. In our journey of multiple reincarnations, we have ALL been men, women, LBGTQ+. I don't understand why this is hard for some to grasp.
Anyway, the bottom line is that most people in today's male dominant society consider God to be male. For those of us who are "in the know", referring to God as a "He" is just a convenient convention for brevity. What can I say. Mankind is, relatively speaking, still quite young and immature. The last point that I can think of is that " When you 'die' ( you never do die - just change form) ALL THINGS SHALL BE MADE KNOW TO YOU". Patience anyone ?
I hope this has been somewhat helpful.
Bless you.
During the first billion years of humanity, fire was discovered. During the second billion years of humanity, nuclear energy was discovered. During the third billion years of humanity, ...
When humanity discover singularity, we will become like the universe.
"The Last Question" short story by Issac Asimov. I believe in the answer given at the end. Unless we are in a simulation. I think it's highly likely we are in a simulation. When you boil it down, the ultimate in physics is mathematics. Why is it that the universe can be explained by mathematical equations? The universe itself may be nothing more than a mathematical equation. And how do computers work? It's all in the math.
Whats comprehending the math?
Perhaps consider putting the date the ep originally aired in the title? I’ve quit watching because without context these chats all run together and lose meaning imo.
Who cares to be honest. These eternal questions will always remain relevant, despite the original video being a few years old. We're talking billions of years here, lol.
I usually do it, I give the date in the comments, this video (like most of them) is from 2008.
What's the far future of intelligence in the universe?
Future indicates time and time is relative.
The question is why is there relativity?
Or, as a biologist would argue, why is there diversity?
To answer this question we need to turn to Genesis 2:18.
The answer is
In a billion years,will we have flying cars yet ?