As a Royals fan, this was a winning series in spirit. Salvy in MVP form for a second straight season, the emergence of Nicky Lopez, promising young pitchers stepping up, and those minor leaguers knocking on the door. Next year's gonna be fun.
Even with their record, the royals were probably my favourite team to watch this season. Their games are just action packed since most of them never strike out or strike anyone out
I'm surprised you didn't bring up that Perez's splits. Salvy was successful at the plate whether he was playing catcher or at the DH spot, but the split is really crazy: As Catcher (501 PAs): .290/.329/.542 As DH (163 PAs): .218/.276/.551 In those 163 PAs at DH, he hit 15 homers and struck out 53 times, which would be 55 homers and 195 K's over 600 PAs, or if you calc based on the 665 PAs that Salvy clocked in this year, 61 homers(!) and 216 K's. Just wild.
It’s interesting the two best catchers in the AL this year were Perez and Grandal. Perez is the anti-Grandal defensively - Grandal’s a master framer but terrible at controlling base runners and blocking pitches. They’re pretty opposite offensively too, with Grandal taking so many walks and not hitting for average. Pretty cool how there are multiple paths to a great season.
Salvy's a great example of why framing isn't the defining stat of a catcher. Sure, it didn't help his fWAR but he's done great throwing runners out, not to mention power at the plate. If Ohtani didn't have a once-in-a-lifetime season this year, Salvy definitely would be in the running for MVP. Great year overall and can't wait for 2022.
@@edisonvicari7476 Throwing out runners isn't just about the guys you do throw out, but the ones who decide not to run because of who is behind the plate. Going first to second with no outs or 1 out is a huge and can be the difference between scoring a run and GIDP. Framing is highly subjective as it also depends on the umpire and pitchers on the mound.
@@jamesjakegood framing imo is more important cause it has a more direct impact on the game, and is so much more important in TODAY'S GAME specifically. also, throwing out runner depends a lot on the pitcher, as windup time, pitch velocity, and pitch location have huge effects on the ability of a runner to steal. stealing will always be easier when facing a pitcher with a slow windup, low velocity pitches, and low zone breaking balls. there's a great video by foolish baseball about how catchers don't have as much control over throwing out runners as you may think. good framers can manufacture pitcher counts, and by extension force batters to swing and miss or make weak contact. pitchers want strikes more than ever before, and if a catcher can manipulate a batter into striking out, they dont have to worry about bases being stolen AT ALL. today's catchers NEED to be evaluated so much more heavily by framing until we get robo umps.
@@milojohnson3057 Yes it is true that pitchers have an influence on throwing out base runners but having a quick pop time and throwing out almost 50 percent of stealers is impressive regardless of the pitcher. Like I said framing is also dependent on umpires and pitchers. Not sure why framing is somehow exempt from dependent variables and throwing out BR isn't.
Thanks for the vid! Glad TH-cam put this on my feed - it's the first time I've seen your channel. Lots of really interesting points you bring up. Of course NGL, it helps to talk about the best player on my favorite team as I probably wouldn't have watched if it wasn't. I knew most of the points you brought up about his historic season, but there were some very helpful new pieces of info you discussed. Thanks!
Salvy is good defensively but not great even if you don’t frame well he still does all the other things at an elite level. This is to the people who believe he is “the worst defensive catcher in the league”
What if those people believe that good framing saves a hell of a lot more runs than throwing out runners in a league that doesn't see nearly as many SB attempts as it once did?
I think this change in approach might stem from how the Royals are now in a state of repair, Sal doesn't have to play for victory, instead he was in a position to play for himself he's probably my favorite catcher of all time due to his ability to command a game, now more so that he's displayed his full power as a hitter
I agree about the OBP. Unfortunately, very rare to find someone with ALL of the tools offensive and defensive lol. Anyway, I bet it's a combination of his hitting profile and the Royals' organization's hitting approach in the last decade+ where they prioritize hitting for contact over batting for OBP - again unfortunate.
I feel like yadi will get it just because literally everyone loves him and while he was not a great hitter he was an exceptional catcher for a very long time. Posey also has salvy beat in generally every stat there is aside from slugging.
Pitch framing is incredibly stupid to knock against a catcher particularly a catcher the size of Perez. Any little moment a catcher his size has to make is going to be much more noticeable than a smaller catcher. Also pitch framing is literally based off of either a bad pitch by the pitcher or a bad call by an ump. So stupid to knock that against a catcher. Perez HOF is going to be more complicated when you look at Posey and Molina. Perez already has more HR than both and will soon have more RBIs than both as well. With all the catchers in the HOF every catcher with at least 300 Hr 1k RBIs and 2k hits has gotten it. Perez is just slightly off pace from the 2k hits but not by much.
Unfortunately because Salvy was so good, Zunino probably won't win a Silver Slugger. But if someone had to beat him out, I'm happy it's someone like Salvy.
No, his OPS was almost 150 points lower, and his terrible pitch framing means he was almost as bad as Jr. was defensively. Neither of them should win it though, it's Shohei's award by all rights.
Salvador Perez is a 126 ops+, that is not mvp level, setting a record means nothing, but I am not saying that Salvador Perez isn’t elite, he is elite just for a catcher
‘Framing’ is bullshit. A stunt to try to trick the umpire. It ain’t cheating but it’s sleazy. Adds to the case for robot umps. The fact that Fangraphs rewards catchers for their abolity to trick umpires is frankly disgusting.
@@edisonvicari7476 What's next? Points for sign stealing? (But it's a variable you can control to help your team win. "No, he can't hit or catch, but he leads the league in sign stealing"). Extra points if he pounds the garbage can in rhythm!
@@nolansnotepad he’s got a strong arm but when you compare him to the defensive specialists we have today, who excel in things like framing in addition to catching runners, he’s below average. All in I would call him average defensively
@@ikefromsmashbros if by “elite in fielding” you mean he catches pop ups and jumps on bunts, then yeah he does that, but “elite” is generous. He’s physically a MASSIVE catcher, and as a result he doesn’t move as well as other catchers. But even if he was elite in those aspects, his framing is absolutely terrible, and like it or not that’s a massive part of the game today. The good and bad of Salvador Perez’s defence even out to an average defender.
@@jacobmartin9553 I was more referring to his ludicrously low passed ball rate. I'm not saying he's Johnny Bench behind the plate, but he saved countless runs for us with our lousy control last season.
As a Royals fan, this was a winning series in spirit. Salvy in MVP form for a second straight season, the emergence of Nicky Lopez, promising young pitchers stepping up, and those minor leaguers knocking on the door. Next year's gonna be fun.
Agree
I wish my team had that kind of hope....Dbacks Fan....But yeah, I'm going to keep an eye on your Royals, they seem like they'll be great to watch.
@@lorddane4147 have hope, it took the royals 3 years to have hope.
@@hollywoodjhawk7682 I meant specifically for next season. I'm hoping the Dbacks can turn around as fast as the Royals.
100p
As a KC native, Salvy is what keeps us going
Were gonna need a Cedric mullins vid eventually
True
Mullins once he decided to stop being a switch hitter had a fantastic season.
Even with their record, the royals were probably my favourite team to watch this season. Their games are just action packed since most of them never strike out or strike anyone out
I'm surprised you didn't bring up that Perez's splits. Salvy was successful at the plate whether he was playing catcher or at the DH spot, but the split is really crazy:
As Catcher (501 PAs): .290/.329/.542
As DH (163 PAs): .218/.276/.551
In those 163 PAs at DH, he hit 15 homers and struck out 53 times, which would be 55 homers and 195 K's over 600 PAs, or if you calc based on the 665 PAs that Salvy clocked in this year, 61 homers(!) and 216 K's. Just wild.
It’s interesting the two best catchers in the AL this year were Perez and Grandal. Perez is the anti-Grandal defensively - Grandal’s a master framer but terrible at controlling base runners and blocking pitches. They’re pretty opposite offensively too, with Grandal taking so many walks and not hitting for average. Pretty cool how there are multiple paths to a great season.
Salvy is already a HOF'er in my heart
Salvy's a great example of why framing isn't the defining stat of a catcher. Sure, it didn't help his fWAR but he's done great throwing runners out, not to mention power at the plate. If Ohtani didn't have a once-in-a-lifetime season this year, Salvy definitely would be in the running for MVP. Great year overall and can't wait for 2022.
Throwing out runners in a baseball game occur far less than an opportunity to frame. Framing is important and why salvy isnt a good catcher
@@edisonvicari7476 Throwing out runners isn't just about the guys you do throw out, but the ones who decide not to run because of who is behind the plate. Going first to second with no outs or 1 out is a huge and can be the difference between scoring a run and GIDP. Framing is highly subjective as it also depends on the umpire and pitchers on the mound.
@@jamesjakegood framing imo is more important cause it has a more direct impact on the game, and is so much more important in TODAY'S GAME specifically. also, throwing out runner depends a lot on the pitcher, as windup time, pitch velocity, and pitch location have huge effects on the ability of a runner to steal. stealing will always be easier when facing a pitcher with a slow windup, low velocity pitches, and low zone breaking balls. there's a great video by foolish baseball about how catchers don't have as much control over throwing out runners as you may think. good framers can manufacture pitcher counts, and by extension force batters to swing and miss or make weak contact. pitchers want strikes more than ever before, and if a catcher can manipulate a batter into striking out, they dont have to worry about bases being stolen AT ALL. today's catchers NEED to be evaluated so much more heavily by framing until we get robo umps.
@@milojohnson3057 Yes it is true that pitchers have an influence on throwing out base runners but having a quick pop time and throwing out almost 50 percent of stealers is impressive regardless of the pitcher. Like I said framing is also dependent on umpires and pitchers. Not sure why framing is somehow exempt from dependent variables and throwing out BR isn't.
Even if Ohtani doesn't do what he did, then Perez still doesn't have a shot. It would be Vlad's, or even JRam on the Indians.
Thanks for the vid! Glad TH-cam put this on my feed - it's the first time I've seen your channel. Lots of really interesting points you bring up. Of course NGL, it helps to talk about the best player on my favorite team as I probably wouldn't have watched if it wasn't.
I knew most of the points you brought up about his historic season, but there were some very helpful new pieces of info you discussed. Thanks!
Great video! Love the outro music, btw
I love salvy I hope he never leaves
Excellent video about one of my new favorite seasons.
Thanks for this video!
“Salvador Perez, BCIB and future HOF.”🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Hall of very good imo
Everyone talked about Alex Gordon being the next George Brett but really it’s been Salvy.. and I love me some Gordo.
Big League Missouri Catchers are wild.
Salvy is good and all but comparing him to Brett is fucking laughable. Salvy will never be near as good a player as Brett was.
@@Trumpisscum-420 that’s cool.
Been waiting for a salvy vid
HOFer in my mind. Over the last decade, when fans think "catcher", Salvy is wo many think of
I love Perez.
Salvy is good defensively but not great even if you don’t frame well he still does all the other things at an elite level. This is to the people who believe he is “the worst defensive catcher in the league”
What if those people believe that good framing saves a hell of a lot more runs than throwing out runners in a league that doesn't see nearly as many SB attempts as it once did?
He objectively is great defensively
Great video!
I think this change in approach might stem from how the Royals are now
in a state of repair, Sal doesn't have to play for victory, instead he was in a position to play for himself
he's probably my favorite catcher of all time due to his ability to command a game, now more so that he's displayed his full power as a hitter
@HyundaiYang1987 incorrect
Catchers are the most disrespected players. Remind yourself there's tons of folks out there that day Yadi isn't a hall of famer
Yeah there's a lot of dumb people out there.
Yeah ultimately he deserves that MVP award for the AL.
My only knock on Perez is his OBP. It’s just a little too low to make him “one of the best”.
I agree about the OBP. Unfortunately, very rare to find someone with ALL of the tools offensive and defensive lol.
Anyway, I bet it's a combination of his hitting profile and the Royals' organization's hitting approach in the last decade+ where they prioritize hitting for contact over batting for OBP - again unfortunate.
I mean that’s cool for you but he objectively is one of the two best catchers of this century lol. Him and Yadier Molina and that’s the top
@@alexbenton6306 Mauer & Posey are probably better than salvy
Greatest catcher of the 2010s you can't convince me otherwise
Posey was better
@@Trumpisscum-420 true
Let me put it like this: if Buster Posey and Yadier Molina are HOF catchers, then Salvy is also an HOF catcher.
I feel like yadi will get it just because literally everyone loves him and while he was not a great hitter he was an exceptional catcher for a very long time. Posey also has salvy beat in generally every stat there is aside from slugging.
Who doesn't love Salvy?
Analytic Nerds
@@hollywoodjhawk7682 knowers of ball*
@@Gosox4572 absolute fucking w
@@jadqn_ as per
Pitch framing is incredibly stupid to knock against a catcher particularly a catcher the size of Perez. Any little moment a catcher his size has to make is going to be much more noticeable than a smaller catcher. Also pitch framing is literally based off of either a bad pitch by the pitcher or a bad call by an ump. So stupid to knock that against a catcher. Perez HOF is going to be more complicated when you look at Posey and Molina. Perez already has more HR than both and will soon have more RBIs than both as well. With all the catchers in the HOF every catcher with at least 300 Hr 1k RBIs and 2k hits has gotten it. Perez is just slightly off pace from the 2k hits but not by much.
Perez, Molina and Posey should all be hall of famers
can you a piece on the 2021 Atlanta Braves and 2005 Houston Astros, in their similarities. Atlanta up 2-1 in the World Series!
Unfortunately because Salvy was so good, Zunino probably won't win a Silver Slugger. But if someone had to beat him out, I'm happy it's someone like Salvy.
Salvy!
Me who was a Royals fan from 2014
All of my friends told me the Royals suck right now… true but the Royals have a legendary catcher
Salvador Perez is my dad go Royals
No he isnt lol
No he isnt lol
Considering he's a catcher and the numbers he put up, does Salvi deserve more MVP consideration than Vlady Jr. ??
thoughts?
No, his OPS was almost 150 points lower, and his terrible pitch framing means he was almost as bad as Jr. was defensively. Neither of them should win it though, it's Shohei's award by all rights.
Nope
Future hall of famer first ballot. Guaranteed.
People talking about a dude who isn't even top 5 at his position being an mvp what is going on
He is No.1 at his position and you literally know nothing about baseball if you think otherwise
SPORTSTORM
Gold gloves and pitching wins are two of the most meaningless things in baseball history
Gold gloves should mean something, but half of the people who vote for them still care about fielding percentage.
Well wins determine if u make it to the postseason so if you have 2-3 pitchers on your staff with 20 wins you must be doing something right
But yeah gold gloves only one can win so even if u don’t win it doesn’t mean you weren’t doing your job on the field
I give more credit to the fielding bible awards tbh
@@nolansnotepad sure, but those wins don't tell you how good the pitchers actually were.
Too bad the analytic nerds use ridiculous stats to justify that he didn’t have a good season
Also. Fuck pitch framing. Baseball reference reflects his career more accurately ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
...and rightfully so.
I love salvy
Love me some Salvy
LETS GO I GOT THE 1k LIKE
Framing?? it is not important at the catcher position.
Defensively he does everything great, but pitch frame. If there were robo umps, he’d be the best defensive catcher in the league.
Salvador Perez is a 126 ops+, that is not mvp level, setting a record means nothing, but I am not saying that Salvador Perez isn’t elite, he is elite just for a catcher
Griffey had a 136 career ops+
what ohtani did was historic in all of baseball history. period
‘Framing’ is bullshit. A stunt to try to trick the umpire. It ain’t cheating but it’s sleazy. Adds to the case for robot umps. The fact that Fangraphs rewards catchers for their abolity to trick umpires is frankly disgusting.
Its a variable he can control which helps his team win. Until robo umps we should most definitely evaluate framing
@@edisonvicari7476 What's next? Points for sign stealing? (But it's a variable you can control to help your team win. "No, he can't hit or catch, but he leads the league in sign stealing"). Extra points if he pounds the garbage can in rhythm!
Terrible opinion at best
Casual. It's the difference between a good catcher and a great catcher. Major part of the game.
Sal is great but he is not Yadi.
Vlad Jr deserves MVP, easily.
Salvy is an awful defensive catcher
What Salvy have you been watching
@@nolansnotepad he’s got a strong arm but when you compare him to the defensive specialists we have today, who excel in things like framing in addition to catching runners, he’s below average. All in I would call him average defensively
He's elite in fielding and throwing out runners. His framing deficiencies are only part of the picture.
@@ikefromsmashbros if by “elite in fielding” you mean he catches pop ups and jumps on bunts, then yeah he does that, but “elite” is generous. He’s physically a MASSIVE catcher, and as a result he doesn’t move as well as other catchers. But even if he was elite in those aspects, his framing is absolutely terrible, and like it or not that’s a massive part of the game today. The good and bad of Salvador Perez’s defence even out to an average defender.
@@jacobmartin9553 I was more referring to his ludicrously low passed ball rate. I'm not saying he's Johnny Bench behind the plate, but he saved countless runs for us with our lousy control last season.
Overrated
not a top 5 catcher sadly
Not even top 10
@@rxndmn probably, Grandal, Zunino, Garver, Smith, Posey, d’Arnaud, Hedges, Barnhart, Vasquez, and Stalling are all honesty better
Me when I lie
@@nathangoucher9184 he still isn’t top 5
He on steroids
not a top 10 catcher
What top 3 if not number 1
@@Wario8318 grandal numero uno