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I'm officially grandfathering my eBike as of today. Sorry Feds, see you on the road!
I kind of like that solution
I bought my first (class 1) eMtb this week, and after seeing that the Feds might make things more difficult for manufactures and possibly making future eBikes more expensive. I'm looking at getting a class 3 sooner than later
Yep. I have a levo, a kenevo, and just got a Talaria! Greatest inventions of all time in my opinion!😊
Feds????? It's local government in mostly upscale conservative NIMBY places doing this stuff -- the sort of place where they don't want any bikes in the way of their $100,000 pickups and SUVs. Key Biscayne is solid Republican turf, big margins for DeSantis and Scott. Of course these places are pretty influential, and so we have to make sure we're heard by actual feds so they're not swayed by these people.
@@danielbliss1988 People riding ebikes shouldn't be playing politics... They should get out there and ride in a reasonable manner in numbers sufficient to keep from being marginalized by the Karens of the world.
they don't care about any safety...all they care about is extracting money from the e bike rider
I can't argue that
USA gov be like...
Both are true. Increase in ebike related accidents are on the rise.
Yup. There are thousands of these things out there. That's a lot of money being left on the table.
PERIOD
USE ELECTRIC VEHICLES!
They said.
(People used electric vehicles)
I’M BANNING ELECTRIC BIKES
Yeah, rather hypocritical if you ask me.
They were thinking a 80,000 dollar Tesla.
You were supposed to buy from specific companies that our politicians are invested in.
I just read that a certain state is imposing a *SPECIAL TAX* on electric vehicles! Why? They're using the roads but not paying gas taxes for the construction/maintenance of those roads.
🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Legendary comment
From what I’ve seen while riding my e-bike is that car/truck drivers are driving distracted much of the time. They are the danger on the road, not me
all day every day im screaming, "GET OFF THE PHONE!!!" people watch videos while driving now. 🍻
ABSOLUTELY
That's what we motorcyclists see every day.
Why can’t the government leave shit alone
They need to justify their existence
They're all at least Narcissistic
Elections matter ant the current disaster of Marxist globalist crooks couldn't be a better example of the worst of humanity. Between them and their tech cronies their all up our asses.
Because they don't want anybody having fun! That is what politicians do. They suck the fun out of life!
blame the people who tick off Karen's and Kevin's ...
They see people starting to get ahead (ie saving on vehicle/transportation expenses, gaining independence, getting healthier, etc) and then comes the crackdown.
Anything that sidesteps the current system of wealth extraction, or improves your quality of life in any way, is due for a crackdown. Sounds crazy, but when you view things through this lens, things stop being surprising and start making sense.
You are so right, try to get ahead and they cut you off. Where's the micro cars, that's right they don't pass crash test. God forbid the auto companies have competition. My ebike is the only thing that makes any sense.
I’m 6’2” and was 367 lbs. I started cycling on an ebike at 330 and have lost down to 210 and now love tooling around on my gravel bike and ebike.
That’s fucking dope man
That's awesome! I have the exact same story, even same height and weigh within a couple lbs! Unfortunately my story changed after I got hit by a car running stop light and now I can barely walk (can still bike though) be careful out there for cars trying to take away your health!
@@DjDoggDad congrats on the weight loss. Thanks for the heads up. There does seem to be a lot of people out there driving around paying more attention to their phone. Best of luck man. Hope things improve for you.
such a motivating story
Love this story, quite inspiring. I feel for DjDoggDad, I have a broken back, and walking for exercise is a non option. Im 6'2" 205lbs and have taken to the bike as my main form of exercise. Im in love! Im up to 30 miles everyday with the occasional case of the fuckits resulting in an 18mile ride.
I'm a lifelong cyclist, and my career was as a car mechanic. My main concern would be that legislation would do to e-bikes what it did to cars. Which is to say - there are no affordable cars being made today; they are essentially illegal. You have to have ABS, and TPMS, and airbags, and all kinds of safety devices which are a good idea, but which run the weight and cost of vehicles way up. Bicycling has always been very simple and basic, and adding a motor to a simple and basic bicycle should remain an option. Legislation could easily make e-bikes unaffordable and heavy and complex, and unpleasant and out of reach for people who could really benefit from them.
Agreed
A small nit is that this is regulation, not legislation. In other word, CPSC decided that they need to save people, not congress.
Partly agree. However, ebikes aren't just simple and basic anymore.
Imagine having giant metal cages going 30mph right next to pedestrians and be worried about little e bikes
Government... 'I smell money!'
Time to stop paying.
It's not the ebike. it's the people riding them.
troo dat
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles There's an option to translate to English lol
It's not the people who ride the bike it's the Boomers who make up the rules the nursing home that runs the federal government
Which is why those people should have a license
Same happened with rc drones.. i left that hobby in 2014
Just a thought, are these the same law makers, that can’t find the time to make citizen voter ID mandatory?
Government stopped working for the people along time ago
Who cares...You Republicans will STILL LOSE...
LOL How great a truer statement. Yeah it's all about the totalitarian restrictions of movement driving everything towards the 15 minute living . What soon to come is electronic locks on your home's doors that allows only government controlled locks over on how much time you'll be allowed out of your home...you know for climate fake control...it's coming soon ...Heck China welds their people in ...
Same ones that don't want any regulation on guns
@@berlinkozyreva the 2A says it all. Shall not be infringed. Only criminals use guns insanely, the don’t follow any laws by definition. THEY ARE CRIMINALS. We the people have the right to protect ourselves from them and tyranny that comes with power ie the government
If cars were invented today they would be outlawed immediately.
Troo dat
That's the plan.
My wife and I took a vacation to gulf shores a couple years ago and rented e-bikes while there. We had a blast! I immediately bought my wife an e-bike when we got home so she can join me on rides. Recently I bought one for myself so I can can do the 20 miles round trip commute to work in the 100* Texas heat w/out killing myself in the process. I’m fortunate enough to have bike trails that run almost from doorstep to doorstep. Then a month ago, I purchased a couple e-bikes for my parents and they have been using them daily!
E-bikes on bike trails too often ride and endanger Bicyclists. “Motorized Vehicles “ they are.
I was on a walker because of my weight and sitting all the time. A few months after getting my E Bike I have gained full mobility and every day I get stronger.
That's amazing! I'm really happy to hear that
My knees are shot, I can only pedal a bicycle 2 miles at most before my knees swell up more than I can bare. I converted my standard bicycle into an Ebike. It gets me out of the house and off social media. Ebikes are a benefit to our society not a detriment. Ebikes are not a problem, and thus, should not be regulated in any way, shape or form.
I've been bicycling around town for years because I don't own a car and I'm getting older now and have arthritis.
Purchasing an e-bike was a game changer. No more struggling to climb hills
Restrict my speed on an ebike, go ahead. I won't comply. The people have a duty to oppose tyranny.
I absolutely back you on this one. Speed limits are for safety. If there's no risk to others, speed should be unlimited by any factors other than physics. As for reckless endangerment, that's on the person who uses speed when it is unsafe for the people and property around them. Motorcycles go over 100 mph on public roads because of a lack of regulation. Why should bicycles not be allowed to do the same? Lol. Let the fear of consequences be all the regulation that we need.
@@user-un9lx4kp6u You know who never said Ebikes should be limited to 28mph? ANYONE who has ever ridden one on a public road and suffered the terror of having MORONS passing you at 40+ a foot or less from hitting you.
@@1bottlefed Exactly why we should either be allowed to ride on the opposing traffic edge or be allowed to keep up.
Says every convict in prison 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@rrampage36 And every reasonable person who can identify overreacting legislators.
I’m a 55+, diabetic that just got multiple heart stents. I need an Electric Mountain Bike with a higher powered motor to help me get in shape to prolong my life. I also need a throttle control if I need to return if BG rate is dropping and heart rate rising. I also ride on streets and highways to get to trails. I’ve all ready lowered my A1C and increased my strength and stamina to reduce heart med. Have govern how load cicadas are allowed and leave e-bikes alone.
Throttles are mostly abused by rickey racers, often on MUP.
Regulated gets you yours , keeps them from hurting others.
Throttles are used all the time by responsible riders.
I have F-TRIKES, which are human and flywheel powered cycles that weigh up to 7,000 pounds. I can LEGALLY ride these cycles as fast as they'll go, because they're not electric powered. My cycles do 40MPH, but I might increase the speed to 50MPH. I don't even have to worry about reckless drivers, they get out of my way!! 😂😂😂 As for E-BIKE riders, you're not covered in the event of an accident because you're classified as a vehicle. My F-TRIKE is classified as a "BICYCLE", so I'm still considered a pedestrian. You E-BIKERS better look at those laws and how those regulators are screwing you over. 🤔🤔😒😒
@@skytoll1you've got some good points there, but doing yourself and the argument zero favours by sounding cockey
My biggest concern is the government forcing registration, insurance, and licensing for ebikes. In New Jersey they secretly passed a law last year that says class 3 ebikes must require insurance and registration. Class 1 and 2 don't.
Is that right? Sounds pretty crazy
Bingo!!!
I honestly don't have a problem with that if it allows you to unlock top speeds. Lets face it, motorcycle insurance is still cheaper than car insurance. Plus I've seen alot of idiots going insane speeds on sidewalks and bike lanes. It's a wonder more people aren't injured by ebikes.
that violates federal law. talk to a federal lawyer. 🍻
covert THEFT! as these government A-Holes will do.
I am following this key, Biscayne nonsense very closely. The state of Florida has declared that low speed ebikes have the same rights as regular bicycles. This village has banned them from public roads. 100% illegal to do. They do have the right to restrict them from sidewalks and bike paths, public roads, nada. I’ve spoken with the police department and have several calls into their village attorney, but they have not been returned. This is the definition of a tyrannical government. They are doing this knowing full well it is illegal, but they don’t care as long as I can get away with it. Thank you for spreading this message. I said well over a year ago these fast bikes if they continue to call them ebikes will be causing a problem for everyone. And here we are. A better solution would’ve been back then to call them and eCycle, etc.. good job on the video. I will be having my next update posted in the next two weeks.
Thanks for fighting the good fight! The more people know about this, the better.
Libertarian inability to recognize needs of others from insensitive abusiveness of other and the shared resources.
License, insure, train, then maybe come back with appeal for sharing the commons.
@@whazzat8015 and I could just as easily come back with, liberals inability to recognize that not everyone relies on somebody else to keep them safe and secure and happy. Or maybe the inability of liberals to recognize the hypocrisy of shoving their ideas in everybody else’s face and mandating them, but don’t dare tell them what your own ideas are, as they have no merit. Have a good day friend.
It's pretty simple - ebikes, emoped, emoto. And software restrictions for speed is ineffective and unsafe.
What is the difference between an e-bike and an e-motorcycle? If it can go faster than an athlete on a bicycle, it's a motorcycle and you should need a license to ride one.
America needs more bike/eBike infrastructure. :)
Don’t regulate the speed on my bike. Regulate the speed limit on the road. Let me accept the risk. I do everyday in my car and motorcycle.
Sounds sound
I am an ebike rider. While I am leery of a speed regulation have seen many e bikes going very fast on bike trails not designed for that. It is very dangerous so I do support the current industry standard of class 1-3 and would not oppose that being codified. Further it should be harder to modify the speed.
Because it has a motor like a car or Motor Cycle they need to be regulated. Horns, license plates, insurance, lights, speed governors should all be implemented. This is because they can cause danger to pedestrians and pedal cyclists as well as other e-bikes due to higher speeds and the weight of e-bikes.
@@markfaulk5064 May be 30 miles in hour over - yes - but less then - no. Look at your state’s moped laws. There is your guide.
It is one thing to accept risk for yourself. The concern is that some riders on roads and trails put others at risk when traveling had higher speeds. I have had experience with this personally.
France here. I believe the more and tougher rules will only stimulate outlaws creativity to bypass them...
Good point
Very true. Especially here in the US. Where if someone tells us that we're not allowed to do something, we'll DO IT just out of pure orneriness...even if it kills us
@coyoteself oh yeah!! The American Way baby! Spitefully Rebellious
We'll figure it out.
Various people already stated it.
It's just another thing local states can tax. Most part, the whole concept of licensing is enforced tax.
Yup
THERE’S NO NEED TO STOP THE NEED FOR SPEED CAP.
We already have speed limits on roads.
Yeah, speed limits already exist
Most cars will do over 100mph and have insane horsepower. Why are there no regulations on how fast manufacturers make cars. Ebikes Have 1-2 horsepower , We need to be safe in traffic and a 20 mph ebike is dangerous I think the 28 mph is fine, lose the class system that only confuses people , and if you put a throttle on an ebike guess what you have? Ya an ebike with a throttle and not a motorcycle
What laws would you make?
License, insure, train, then maybe come back with appeal for sharing the commons.
Whataboutism,
though cars do not need to go 100 or have a 0 to 60 of 5 sec, or be traveling entertainment centers
Cars do have governors on them. For instance mine is governed at 110. My friends is governed at 98.
New Ford Transit Trails have a top speed of 85, 10 years from now every new car will have a top speed of 85-90 in the name of safety
Stand up for yourself do not let them regulate anything they are not your bosses
preach!
I'm a 73 year old disabled senior I'm pretty much confined to my recliner in front of a tv and as much as I love TH-cam I hate just sitting here so when I got a chance to try an ebike I bought it especially since it was severely damaged but repairable , I had already worked on this battery and knew it was as good as new so my worked completely changed .I only live .8 miles from our Saladou creek greenway and being a 26" Exotic it stands out really good . I was already building backup power supplies for my ham radio friends from recycled lithium 18650 cells so put together a 4 series cell pack for a 12v light system then got a super bright LED strobe for the back and extra reflectors all around an hit the trails.This trail is 20 miles long , normally I ride 10 miles a day everyday and love it but there is no way I can actually peddle this monster fat tire bike without battery power so always have cell phone and ham 2way radio on it , second time out I got a flat on the back tire so bought liners and a gallon of slime to fix that , thank goodness that flat didn't show till a hour after I had gotten back home.. Now I've installed saddle bags with homemade 36v 25ah batteries giving me 65 miles range without peddling even though I do peddle slowly for exercises. I have ridden from one end to the other , a 40 mile ride twice now and after 15 months I've ridden 2630 miles on this ebike 99.9% off road and when on the road I try to not exceed 20/23 mph which is maximum for this setup so with high prices of gas I find a fantastic savings in fuel cost even enough to get a trailer for my bike an get groceries with it I find I need to be able ride 30 mph on the road to avoid holding up traffic but after planing my trips at low traffic times I can manage. So the only laws they need is to enforce the ones they already have , maybe require brake lights an turn signals on e-mail bikes for everyones safety but were doing fine otherwise.
Thanks for the story. Awesome use of new and old tech!
I live in Toronto Canada, we already have rules and regulations that are unenforced but the push for more rules are on the way thanks to bad actors (lets be real its the gig economy riders.) Certain transit agencies now enforce size limits require battery certification. City is trying to force helmets on all e-bikes (which is fair but unenforceable long story for that) . Class 2 and above have never been allowed in dedicated (guarded bike lanes) though is never enforced. Sadly though the bad actors, riding while staring on their phones and hitting pedestrians. Going up to 60kph in dedicated bike lanes and causing collisions and riding oversized bikes on sidewalks are going to ruin it for us cycle commuters. If your interested in our unenforced regulations I can give you a breakdown.
Enforcement is a whole can of worms. Here in salt lake it's non-existant.
I have only one question, when has government regulation of a new technology EVER made it better? The only rules they should enforce is the ones already there on the road.
Thanks for doing this. I agree that having speed limits for e-bikes on roads and trails makes more sense than putting limits on e-bike speeds. I also agree that we need more people to get outside on any kind of bike vs. being condemned to screen prisons inside etc.
At the same time, I do think e-bikes should have more laws to govern how they are made and classified. When an e-bike can go over 28 mph, a regular bike helmet is no longer good enough. Riding without rear-view mirrors also becomes dangerous at higher speeds. Bells and horns also start to become more necessary at higher speeds. I live in a dense city, Philadelphia, PA, with infamously lousy drivers. I have had an e-bike for about nine years (roughly 3,000 miles per year, mostly commuting and running errands). Perhaps higher speed e-bikes should have different helmets and mirrors as well as integrated lights to be seen and bells or horns etc.
I have been run into a ditch by an aggressive car driver one time. I was also in a serious crash with a cyclist who wasn't paying attention and turned left straight into me, causing us both to hit the pavement and suffer lots of damage. If that cyclist had had a mirror, or if he had been listening when I said loudly that I was passing on his left, he would have known to not turn left at exactly that wrong moment. Most cyclists travel at much higher speeds than I ever would want to. From my point of view, those Gigantically Egotistical Road-Bikers-In-Lycra are far more dangerous than any e-bike riders I have seen because they don't think anyone else matters. They often pass with no warning at all. They cut other people off in traffic.
I once had a taxi run me off the road and into a parked car. I don't think they even considered cyclists, because they just went about their day like nothing happened.
As a cyclist, I am glad to see e-bikes on the road, and using the bike lanes and paths. The more popular they become the more likely bicycle infrastructure will be prioritized. Too many people feel trapped into driving because that is the only practical option many US cities allow for.
I first had a three wheel recumbent trike but as I aged I wanted some assistance so I converted to a hub motor. I since have owned 3 fat wheeled, heavy, class 3 e-bikes. I’ve never been more pleased. Yes they are heavy and somewhat cumbersome but I enjoy the hell out of them. One has full suspension which I use in off road situations, the other one has only front suspension but is nice because it makes my eyes water, even with glasses on. At 81 it beats sitting at home watching TV and getting fat.
The resistance to e-bikes echoes the initial backlash against snowboards. Just as snowboarding faced criticism from skiers (akin to the government) and eventually became an Olympic sport, there is hope that e-bikes will prevail. As a 64-year-old with a heart condition, I have my cardiologist's full support to ride an e-bike.
Interesting. What other applicable parallels do you see?
Having worked at Burton in Manchester, VT & taught snowboarding at Stratton as snowboarding began in the mid-eighties - it's a very different situation.
Personally I would absolutely love to see regulations placed upon the federal and local governments, it seems that they know no boundaries and there is nothing they consider off limits to their intrusions in our lives.
They have rules they have to follow. The issue is that no one knows how to change them
So, a government for the government 😊
Great video! Thank you. We are in a critical moment right now. I feel the CPSC has good rules, 20 is plenty! 28 is great. 750 watts is right. The danger, as I see it over twenty years, is out of class high powered light electric motorcycles pretending to be “E-Bikes”. Let the motorcycle folks get their bikes legal too, with VIN numbers, DOT brakes and such. True legal class 1,2 and 3 e bikes are fine! Josh K.
I agree wholeheartedly. Placing regulations for e-bikes that neither cars nor motorcycles have is ludicrous. And of course, safety should always be a number one priority, so protective gear is something everyone should use. Anything that would make you more visible during the night is also a plus (I have reflective spokes on my e-bike). I have a a bike which “I” can regulate and limit the speed for. I never go higher than 25, except for when there’s a hill that definitely needs more of a “boost”. Limiting e-bikes would actually increase casualties, since there are roads, trails, and inclines where being fast is necessary. If they’re going to limit my bike, then they should make more bicycle exclusive lanes.
Yeah, more physically protected bike lanes would do wonders
I mostly agree. I dont think that there needs to be regulations placed on manufacturers. They do need some laws, and by extension law enforcement, regulating use. See 10 year kids buzzing at nearly 28mph weaving dangerously through traffic to school is not a good thing. Nor is it seeing pedestrians or hikers narrowly missed on a path by a class 3 bike. There's definitely room for improvement.
Thanks
I truly believe that is what is causing the whole problem in the 1st place. Where you a class of motorized vehicles whether it is gas or electric that can't cruise at highway speeds, but keep up with traffic off the highway. And yet are to fast for bicycle/walking trails. Making them not legal to ride on those trails and not legal to ride on the streets unless its reregistered and insured. So those who choose to buy those vehicles are riding fast on bike trails and walking paths causing problems. Then when they get on the road, they don't obey the rules of the road. Very similiar problem with gas power dirt bikes.
A few comments from an avid cyclist, mechanic/engineer:
Quality mechanical disc brakes work fine. Hydros offer a marginal increase in clamping power. From there it comes more down to the weight of the object in motion and the friction between the tires and surface. I've run old fashioned cantilevers on a tandem bike - and they work incredibly well. Total weight of riders and bike ~ 315lbs. I've also used mechanical brakes on a 4000' downhill in Telluride, CO. Biggest problem there was overheating. Not the clamping force or pad / rotor friction.
Three-wheeled bikes: Delta, not so great. Tadpole: far more stable
28 mph.. things are leaning towards dangerous. I'm sure we all know F=ma. A 250 lbs object @ 28 mph, with a half second acceleration (very slow BTW) to zero results in a collision that's like getting hit by ~1300 lbs. If we take a regular bike (30 lbs lighter) and lower the velocity to 20 the impact force is closer to 800 lbs. For reference, a 900 lbs punch can break a femur. The idea that users will self-regulate is naïve. Consider what we already see here on TH-cam with users on bike paths
Restricted acceleration / wattage - see F=ma. Also see Tesla Cybertruck (that you too, reference ;)). I really don't think something that large & fast should be in the hands of about 80% of the population. Already banned in the EU because they focus on physics / facts. Not feelings. Additional reference: I run a 500W ebike laden with a chainsaw and lots of hand tools up 20% grades off road. The bike doesn't stall out (80Nm)
You raise an interesting issue with your daughter that runs parallel to my thoughts on e-bikes: Many users come into e-bikes without prior handling experience. Admittedly, I see a lot of these users being risk-averse when I'm out and about.
Speed limits - tough call. Almost everyone right now on an ebike is tiptoeing around pedestrians on shared use paths. That's because they don't want to get banned or draw attention. Additionally, until the day that cars can be used on multi-use paths - you are not allowed to make that comparison. Makes no damn sense.
14:21 - Dude. Did you even read the clip? 3,538 was in 2017. It increased to 24,335 in 2022. You're off by 20,797.
Your closing statement is true - Ebikes are overall a very good thing. That said, I do believe some manufacturing restrictions are prudent. And they already exist. The biggest threat is class 3 bikes being used where the elderly, children and dogs wander (multi-use paths) outside of that - no issues.
Earlier this month US DOT released statistics that over 7500 pedestrians were killed in 2022. Perhaps we should implant speed limiters and other safety devices in people who are out walking?
Also, something not mentioned is enforcement discrimination…
Here in Seattle Washington helmet laws were revoked. Years of statistics proved that helmet laws were Weaponized against minority and homeless populations.
I am definitely pro helmet, yet I am anti-discrimination.
Interesting perspective. I didn't touch on demographics, but that does raise some questions.
I don't think those pedestrians were killed walking into one another. What killed them? Trucks, cars, and maybe some cyclists going fast or turning corners.
@@tomtrottier8135
If you are out walking, would you rather be hit by a truck or a bicycle?
I want spoons banned they made me fat.
@@dannyalley3753
I want knives and forks banned, when it comes to stabbing, I would take a spoon over a knife or a fork.
A place to start is by eliminating use of the word "eBike" by the entire industry - manufacturers, owners, content creators, legislators, and everyone, period. We need to banish that term from our vernacular because it's too broad and instead use "eBicycle" and "eMotorcycle". There is a fine line in there somewhere between the two, and I don't claim to know exactly where it is, but clearly slapping pedals onto an eMotorcycle does not turn it into an eBicycle anymore than putting pedals on a motorcycle turns it into a bicycle. The eMotorcycle manufacturers are going to hate this, but it's necessary - they are the cause of this regulation, not eBicycles.
Wanted to add this question(s) for everyone/anyone. Is there enough data to show how fast the riders were going? Who else was involved (such as a car)? How many of said riders were following the rules of the road? How many were on a classed ebike vs a non-classed (high powered) ebike?
These are all things that are important if we are to put in place proper regulations.
Good questions
Never seen anyone put up any data
I'm 240lbs. I used to box and do taekwondo, but now I'm 64 years old with bad knees and a heart condition. I would definitely need a large motor, even for a relatively flat area where I live. If they want to limit speed, that's fine. I wouldn't need more than about 25mph anyway.
I see this current trend of trying to regulate E bikes as a knee jerk reaction. In the case of Key Biscayne wasn't the ebike rider that killed the lady a 12 year old kid? If that was legal in Florida then the State has to take some responsibility for allowing someone so young to ride E bikes on the road. The other aspect of this story is that the lady that died was also not wearing a helmet. Whether that was a contributing factor, I don't know but it just goes to show you in most accidents, it isn't always one factor alone that caused the injury or death. You can regulate the hell out of E bikes but until proper infrastructure is put in place for ALL users of our roads, I don't see new regs making much of a difference.
The key biscane woman seemed to have powerful friends, because other people have died on bicycles, but they never seemed to care. Now that it’s one of their own, they want to impose unconstitutional restrictions on everyone in their power.
I just bought an Aventon Level.2 last month, and it’s game changing for getting me out of the house. I live in hilly Pittsburgh, so regular bikes are no fun. I like the current 3 class designations (they could use some tweaking) but overall I don’t think we need more regulation. The one exception is that I do think we need more regulation on ebike battery safety so cheap batteries catching fire don’t ruin an important industry. I am also a proponent of companies introducing lithium iron phosphate versions of their batteries that might have a slight ‘cost’ in range, but are really safe from fire compared to standard lithium batteries.
You hit the nail on the head when it comes to limiting the power of an ebike. I am 70, have two messed up hips and have gained 60 pounds. I am getting an ebike for the exercise, and I know I need at least a 500 watt motor if not a 750. There is no "one size fits all in ebikes," and we don't put limits on hp in autos. thanks for the video.
As a new e-bike rider, bum knees, messed up ankle from a MC accident, a stent and just a few years younger than what's his name in the White House, my e-bike lets me go on other than flat roads or even to my local grocery store that has a heck of a grade on the road to it. I still get a nice workout but far less strain on my body. It sure that the Nanny State is really required to protect us from ourselves.
...I walked passed a sign on a waterfront trail here that had a posted speed limit of 1 kilometer per hour, which is about 0.6 miles per hour...
That's hilarious. "1 legged dogs only"
28th Amendment: Congress shall make no law regulating bicycles.
5:22 That's a dope looking helmet.
12:01 Classic libertarian here, but you probably knew that from earlier in this comment.
Sounds maga to me.
Are pedal-assist bicycles like the Trek Allant Plus S7 included in these regulations?
Yes
Everything you say makes total sense. I really hope that I won't some day be penalized for owning a pedal ebike that has been equipped from the factory with a Pitbull avoidance system. (the ability to narrowly escape a dog attack). Or the capability to power up any steep grade against the wind and actually make it over the top. I fear that those in charge of making the rules have Never even been on an ebike, and all the rest of us will suffer ! I'm with you. Just like the roads we drive on, simply post a speed limit for that trail. And always wear a helmet.
Ban social media, not ebikes!
I know which one I'd choose!
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles At least your regulations with regards to power and speed are palatable compared to the UK! 22mph and 750W would be much more ideal.
@@manoz6194 I'm not a fan of eBike laws in Europe. I don't know why they did that in the first place.
Hey Mikey G. Good to see your still on the TH-cam after leaving your EV car gig. Thanks for getting people involved.
I think this won't be the last time we have to relitigate e-bikes, as I believe these will dominate transportation in the distant future.
I've ridden e-bikes for transportation since 2015 including 750W and 1000W bikes, MTB, cargo, and recumbent trike all of which exceed 20 and 28 mph. Bicycle people attempting to regulate e-bikes are often not seeing the opportunity to use e-bikes for long distance commuting at speed.
Good to see you again Karl. Long distance electric cycling would be amazing, huge potential there
If they want people out of their car then increase the speed aloud so you can keep up with traffic on city streets and not get run over by cars flying by them.
I want one to leave my truck at home.
But I got 30 k each way I’m not getting out of my truck if I’m stuck at 30kph not happening make it 50kph and I’m biking to work tomorrow
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Thats awesome!! I had an accident where my wheel locked up while going down a hill, so I understand the use of it! although, it was a coaster brake so it's not like I could get my own kit.
Third party evaluation would be great, like UL testing for electronic equipment. As a consumer, I have no real way to judge things like battery quality, brake reliability, etc. I’ve also observed young riders being very dangerous, riding extremely fast where there are pedestrians. I’d like to see no throttle (class 1 only) for kids, until they have a driver’s license. Lastly, I do think there’s a threshold where e-bikes become classified as motorcycles, and a motorcycle license is required. Motorized vehicle rules change when displacement passes 50ccs. I don’t know what the threshold is, but it’s totally reasonable to expect people to know the rules of the road and how to control their vehicles.
I used to hear it said often that 90% of motorcycle riders are involved in a road wreck in the first 20 years, and give up riding during the 20 years. Maybe it is true. Riding a bike as safely as I could, defensively indeed, I still got knocked off twice by drivers NOT paying attention. I witnessed a perfect example of an e-bike messing up and tricking the car driver so that he got hit - his impulsive choice and his ACCELERATION put him in front of the properly ACCELERATING car. There are 1000's of dangerous scenarios we could discuss. We don't ban bathtubs yet. I can site a few drownings within two degrees. The one big reason I don't yet have an e-bike is the danger from other actors, and the lesser reason is I can make enough mistakes on my own. Something is gonna hurt me and then the healing period is the big doubtful next area. But I never got hurt in cars, and I have hit stuff a few times or been hit. Fed regs are probably needed. What speed is then fair? I say 30, 32, is PLENTY, but no more. Next, what power? Not so important. A direct drive that can pull tough hills is proper power to settle for - but then it is a fast bike - like 40 MPH. This is a tough question then, WHERE can we safely let these bikes exceed 32-MPH? The compromise might be the geared motor, settle for 32-MPH max. The rate of fatalities for 32-MPH bikes is going to be MUCH higher than for 26-MPH bikes. So maybe we settle for 26-MPH bikes that can pull any hill my 4x4 can pull. If I'm an adrenaline junkie, thrill glorifier, etc., 26-MPH is torture. But the amount of lives to be saved takes greater importance. I say, 27-MPH or more - you get a real motorcycle. But let me safely push my luck SOMEWHERE (certain corridors) with the superior direct-drive at 40-MPH. Heck, my bicycle goes downhill at 40-MPH or more (and I hate this risk). Others just don't care - this is the problem for society and WE MUST PROTECT innocent society. We must limit state liability in all directions.
I’m a truck driver and they already govern our vehicles most large trucking companies are governed at 62 to 68 mph. Which entire really really pisses off the car drivers around us and makes them behave dangerously. I wish they would regulate and govern the car drivers Like their proposing to put speed limit on all big trucks even on operators but by that same token, I don’t think they should regulate the bikes so much but maybe have a max set speed of 25 miles an hour because that’s what most bike lanes are there’s always a few bad apples that are on 40 or 50 mile an hour dual motor 3000 W E bike that wants to tear up the pedestrian pathways and ruin it for the rest of us Those are the ones they should be going after not your average Joe that’s doing 20 to 25 max in the bike lane being safe and courteous to other drivers and cyclist
My guess is that they don't have a way to go after only the hot rods, so they attempt to do so by getting us all.
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles Don't most mixed use trails and paths specify pedaled vehicles? Otherwise motorcycles, mopeds, and Vespa-styled scooters would use multi-use trails. These faster e-cycles (as I am trying to call them), such as the Sur-ron have no bearing being on such paths, they are essentially dirt bikes with electric motors as opposed to gas. They have no pedals.
The best argument against federal regulations is that most of the states already have limitations. In my state, ebikes are capped at 2hp or 1500 watts. 1500 watts is more than enough power for most people.
The speed issue isn't that much of an issue because energy use goes up exponentially with speed. A bike that has 20 miles of range at 15mph pedal assist might have 4 at 35mph throttle only. It is absolutely dramatic. The faster you go, means dramatically reduced range. The difference is so dramatic that they become useless.
The one area I would like to see regulation is on the batteries. There is so much cost cutting and lying going on. The problem is, the supply chains are so bad that even if a manufacturer wants to use name brand cells, there is just no guarantee the ones they buy aren't counterfeit.
i use an ebike literally everyday. it is my main source of transportation, and enables me to get groceries and food in the first place. i dont have a car or a driver's license, and am basically "blind" without my glasses so i wouldn't be able to drive saftely due to being a hazard not only to myself but others on the road. I much prefer ebikes to cars anyway: a lot safer and funner to ride than a car, along with the decreased risk of injury and danger due to not going that fast relative to cars but also not being in a powerful huge metal box with others in huge metal boxes (cars i mean, haha..) distracted on their phones and impatient and who knows what else.
i use my ebike to get around, i need it to ride to work among many other things.
while i hope regulation does help stop the reckless riders (if that's even possible, i dont know), i desperately hope they dont get outright banned. that's not fair to anyone.
I agree with the current loosely ran regulation of 28mph. Company that push those boundaries are part of the issue , going 55 on a “legal bicycle “ is questionable. I do city commuting on a fat tire e-bike and 30 is good enough. Anything higher would be nice but may be an overkill .
I'm scared to do much over 30mph. I did 49.5 once, and I'm done.
thoughts on the roadrunner v2 and using it on trails to say get to work?
I don't know if it matters where you're going.
Good analysis. But i would say there should be consideration given to regulating ebikes intended for children. I think there would absolutely be a market for high speed (relative to a child) ebikes just as there are off road motorcycles for kids that go even faster. Not saying ban them, but there is room for ensuring we somewhat curb reckless decisions and outcomes made by some parents.
I don't see a company lasting very long trying to sell those products
Most of the trikes you showed, are (quite rightly) "tadpole" trikes that put two wheels up front & are _much_ safer than delta style trikes, under braking & while descending & at high speeds. Delta trikes can be _OK,_ but tadpole trikes are _great_ by comparison.
Main thing I see missing from ebikes: M6 bosses to mount racks at the front & rear of the frame (even 8 or 10 pounds on a fork or bar bags, has a terrible effect on handling; whereas a frame-mounted rack handles like a champ).
There definitely should be speed and power and weight restrictions placed on CARS for both environmental and safety concerns. For e-bikes, the most important regulation should be in three areas: 1. Vsibility, lighting that is sufficiently bright and doesn't blind oncoming cyclists, drivers, or pedestrians, and adequate side and rear illuminaton as well as reflective elements. 2. Battery safety to miniimize fire risks. 3. Sufficient braking power, though for light Class 1 e-bikes, mechanical disks are likely more than sufficient.
I really think that sensible regulation would be a good thing, a consumer shouldn't have to spend that much time doing research to find a bike with a safe electrrical system, decent lighting, and reliable braking. Those things should be a given.
why is a good pair of mechanical disc brakes not good anymore? paired with some 200mm or larger rotor front and aft is more than enough to stop you from 35mph on a 100lbs custom made ebike with a 240lbs rider down hill. even strong enough to throw you over the handlebars. those 50mph bikes will need moped brakes and tires thats for sure specially the tires coz you simply dont have enough grip to stop you or traction when your powered. these things got tons of torque after all. but those things are pretty much are mopeds already.
I prefer hydraulic brakes on anything over 60lbs.
Shoot, I have them on my 24lb non-electric bike.
@@BlueMonkeyBicycles a good set of brakes is nothing without a good set of rubber to go with the bike in my experience, specially in a commuter ebike. Hydraulics or a good set of mechanicals like an avid bb7 is mostly for preferences in brake modulation and feel. I usually go with mechanicals for simplicity of installation and maintenance. if you pair it with regen braking, it's more than enough even on a cargo bike. In most cases the tires gets over looked in an ebike build specially on cheaper ebikes on Amazon which most buy. Dont get me started with cheap battery pack.....that's a whole can of worms and another concern now that these bikes are much more available to the masses.
Scooters with an engine of 49/50 cc are generally regulated to 28mph. If regulation is going to kick in for e-bikes, it should follow a comparative format for power/speed.
In Europe the ebike laws are 250 watt max and a top speed of 15.5 mph and you have to pedal to make them go along, no accelerator. Some countries have unilaterally experimented with raising the power output and there has been a subsequent rise in pedestrian accidents so they went back to the 250 watt standard. There is a significant rise in pedestrian accidents since ebikes have been become more common. In England Parliament is having a consultation on raising the power output to 500 watts with an accelerator to make the transport for older riders with infirmities more practical, you can also have a trailer for shopping etc. In England they have realised the benefits of allowing more powerful ebikes as they are seriously clamping down on cars because our roads can be very narrow and we just don't have the parking available in old medieval towns plus the maximum speed in many places is now 20 mph. There are already a lot of people using overpowered ebikes and the police turn a blind eye. I have an electric 250 watt bike but have stopped using it for a normal push bike. I need the exercise and the distance is limited to about ten miles.
thats sounds oppressive and miserable. 🍻
@@niteshades_promise Not really you can have more powerful e-bikes but they must be registered as mopeds/motorbikes. Europe infrastructure is tiny and not able to accommodate people roaring about at high speed due to the level of accidents involving faster e-bikes.
All good points for discussion and debate.
I live where regulations are max 250 watt motor and 25kph(15mph) limit. On my commute into the city I am passed by nearly everyone on a non powered bike. I am also passed by many non regulated bikes that are sold for off road or private property use only. Authorities don't seem care about that but I do see them stop cyclists on roads that are not wearing a helmet.
It leaves many to wonder why the laws are so obscure.
Preemptively regulating and restricting yourself out of fear that someone else will is so ludicrously stupid. This just shows how domesticated you have become to want an authority to control you.
Cognitive dissonance your way out of that one.
Current federal laws for E-Bikes on the street seem to be adequate. If a bike can go over 30 mph it should be classified as a motorcycle, with appropriate rules. What needs to be changed are rules for all bikes on sidewalks and foot paths. Riding any bike over 20mph on pedestrian walkways needs to be addressed.
I live in the Netherlands. EU limit is 25km/hour. I wish it would be 28 km/hour. Usual non-electric bike can easily go 35-40 km/hour
I agree with almost all of this except two points, the one about three wheels, and the one about speed. My points below.
3 wheels: It's not 100% true that the only people riding three wheeled e-bikes are elderly or disabled. If that was the case I would agree with you. I am from an area that has extremely extensive bike infrastructure where you can get almost anywhere in the city on bike lanes. I often commute by bike to work or other places and find it faster than driving at times just due to traffic. The problem is that this fact has caused people to really push the limits of what an e-bike is. Urban arrow makes these bikes that are absolutely massive as storage capacity goes. I have seen delivery drivers with three-wheeled e-bikes with full blown closed compartments maybe 5 ft by 4 ft by itself. People are realizing the economic and convenience of e-bikes and are starting to use them outside of what was intended when these bike lanes were built. The bike can't take up so much room that it kills the efficiency of the bike lane and it shouldn't be so heavy that it's dangerous to have it in such close proximity with kids, dogs, totally people walking, the infrastructure isn't designed for it. I'm not against it being in existence but it needs to be on the roads with the cars which it is more similar to than bikes once they get to a certain point. This ties into the second point about speed: Bike infrastructure is generally built to be safe assuming bikes hit a maximum of 15 to 20 mph. He likes that can hit 30 mph and hold it steady we're not in existence when they built all of this. Even as an avid cyclist I can tell you it is unfair to drivers to have an intersection where the bike lane has the right of way and expect drivers to notice bikes moving that fast, it hasn't been the case for the last 150 years, people don't understand it, they can't comprehend in their head. When they see a bike they expect it to be moving a maximum of 20 miles per hour. So it's dangerous considering the way like infrastructure is currently configured. I go back to my previous point where I'm not against these being manufactured but once again I need to be on the roads after a certain speed, they pose a danger to other users of the bike lane as well as liability of other drivers.
USA rules are pretty relaxed comparatively speaking. Many other countries restrict to speeds to 25km/h or 15mph. That’s insane imo. Restrictions usually happen because of a few people ruining the privileges for everyone else.
To push as though it is a federal micromanaging issue is truly misleading. Every state has sovereign authority to create rules for these type of devices. In some states, cities and towns can sometimes set rules and regulations so long as they are also not in conflict with the state.
Very informal video! Also good choice of music for background, it’s from Tekken 4 the Airport Stage Theme. 🤣
The problem is that we live in a society that mortally fears change, and any isolated incident involving new technology will be over reacted to in the extreme.
I'd be mostly fine with leaving it a lone. But I do notice that what used to be mostly pedal assist bikes on the bike lane have been replaced by 1000 watt monsters with gigantic knobby tires and 150 lb cargo bikes doing like 25 mph.
Some of those intimidating bikes are actually gentle giants. I ride a 100lb knobby tire aggressive looking bike with my daughter, and the thing can't get over 22mph with a tailwind.
Regarding mechanical disk brakes. They can actually be better than hydraulic disk brakes if the goal is to reduce the risk of skidding out and end up on the ground, which can be a particular concern when riding downhill on a dirt road and you don't have much off-road/dirt biking experience. Best to read into the context of why someone might prefer them rather than falsely assume they don't know what they're doing. I have had occasions where I fell off the ebike because the brakes were too good.
I think that showing a bar graph that shows an increase in injuries in that manner is just alarmist. It's dishonest to show injury figures without normalizing them to the growth rate of the activity. This is a pretty good clue that if you looked at the injuries per thousand miles of riding, it wouldn't look nearly as bad. This kind of statistics are so bad, even if the actual injury rate had decreased, it would still look bad. Even though it's not.
There should be 2 classes of ebikes. Class 1 would be for those who are under 18yrs old. Lass 2 for adults. Class 1 would be speed restricted to 15mph. Peddle assist only. Could have throttle added and unlocked by dealer only if said minor is disabled.
Class 2 should be able to hit speed of 40mph. Settings in the system can always be set by user to accommodate those who want it limited to a lower speed. The reason for 40mph imo is thatthe average driver travels 35 to 50 on most streets. The closer our speed is to theirs, the safer for the rider. The slower we are, the more likely the driver will try to pass unsafely past us.
If anything, some regulations are good, however.... more infrastructure in cities for cyclists should be the priority. That would have a much better impact on everyone.
Before we put too many restrictions on manufacturers and consumers, how about officers & the public get better training on cycling edicate and officers uphold the laws on those who grossly break them. Im referring to those in example who ride on the wrong side of the road against the flow of traffic, wearing all dark colors, no reflective markers, no lights, and/or it at night.
That tends to be more of what causes the serious injuries/fatalities.
We need to use commonsense just like with cars rather than being knee-jerk reactionary.
Interesting take on user age and limitations. Personally I get scared over about 35mph on bicycle equipment. I’ve gone faster, but I don’t particularly like it.
On-the-ground enforcement is another big topic I didn’t discuss. Most instances of traffic stops with a cyclist are done out of concern for their own safety, and don’t result in punitive action. I think that habit has embolden cyclists over the decades.
I think you’ve arrived at the dead-end conclusion we’re all avoiding. Integrating eBikes into a country made for the automobile would ultimately face-off over infrastructure. I’d like to see more physically protected bike lanes. Some Chinese cities have an incredibly effective system for all vehicle types. This is astonishing considering that the drivers are often 1st generation, and absolutely terrible.
40mph would be catastrophic on trails. It's dangerous and scary enough as it is when someone on a 28mph Class 3 fat bike buzzes you.....those things don't belong on trails, though they'd be ideal for city streets so long as ridden responsibly.
I appreciate your video and the time you put into gathering the information. I find it necessary that the govt set boundaries on the misuse of products or manufacturer's quality of build. One has to think of the greater good of all vs the few. I'll state I am not a fan of said govt pushing regulations based on the few that abuse products, you said it perfectly in this video. I have three eBikes and will most likely get another in the future. It is the best way I found to get outside and enjoy what's left of our beautiful outdoors. Thanks again.
I'm with you on no power limits, not just because heavier riders don't want to be limited to a lower speed than lighter riders, but also because one of the main things that keep people off of bicycles is TERRAIN. If you live in an area that has a lot of hills, or even just one hill between your house and your work, more power means fewer places you're still not going to want to ride every day.
I have to disagree with you though, about brakes. It wasn't that long ago that disc brakes on bicycles weren't even a thing, much less hydraulic disc brakes. And maybe on the $1000 and up ebikes, the extra expense of hydraulic brakes wouldn't be a big deal, but when you are looking for an under-$500 ebike, having this extra expense on a bike that is speed-limited to less than 20 MPH just doesn't make sense. Maybe on the class 3 bikes.
What about our home built ebikes from Amazon kits , hub motors over 750 watts???
instead of wattage restriction have speed limitation so without a licence you can go 25km/h but with a moped licence you can go up to 50 km/h
My best friend's dad has an E-bike and I love how it has allowed him to continue to ride in his 70's, and I think they are great for rehab and other green uses like a quick run to the grocery store, but when ridding head on towards them on a bike path always concerns me. I wounder how fast are they coming at me? Does that rider see me? How much more will a collision hurt with an E-bike compared to a regular bike? So I'm of the opinion that the regulations should be more towards where is it appropriate to ride them, versus regulating the bikes themselves.
Speed governors is a big NO. But, as a rider who sticks to bike paths to avoid riding next to cars, there should be limits where E-bikes can be used, such as bike paths. If the bike has a max speed of 15mph, then they are OK on a path. Bikes that can go 15mph+ should be restricted to the road only. Bikes that can exceed 25mph, should be treated like a scooter or moped and should have full set of lights and should require a license just like for a moped and scooter.
Every time I see an E-bike blasting towards me on the bike path I worry about clipping handle bars and they take me out. Having a crash with a bike that weighs more than 50 lbs compared to a regular bike is most definitely going to end with a trip to the ER.
I'm 74 and ebike riding is the only exercise my joints will take. I ride a 1000 watt motor that is about right for the weight of the bike, especially on hills. Speed is the issue and if riders can't respect speed laws on trails, etc. then that's where enforcement should be in place. I do ride on roads to get to trails and the top speed of my ebike at about 32mph is essential in keeping safe. It's extremely important to me to have this freedom.
I recently switched from a road bike to a Specialized Turbo Vado step through after a seizure in my leg affected my standing balance. I am able to get on and get going again. If told I can't use it I will throw the ADA law at them by saying my e-bike is a "Reasonable Accommodation" for my mobility.
I've seen two of your videos, and they were both fantastic. I just ordered my first ebike (I'm a 63 year old lifelong (-10 yrs 😂) recreational bicyclist/ motorcyclist and have ordered my first ebike. I'm just trying to get my ass out of the house. I hope the government does as little as possible in this regard ofc, but, do they ever? Not in my lifetime.
About time, no way you should have more watts than an average bike rider without a motorcycle license. I was waiting for a few lawsuits to speed up the laws.
Regulations for quality YES
For purchasers NO
We have bike laws already
Doesn't sound so bad
You forgot one reason for the anticipated regulations: It provides more jobs for safety regulators. You don't want those people out on the streets or sitting at a desk doing nothing, do you? Mind you, I don't have an e-bike. I ride regular bicycles and the more I've looked at turning one of them into an e-bike, the less enthusiastic I get about the idea. I'm getting old, though, and maybe somebody I'll wish I had one in order to be able to get anywhere on a bicycle. And maybe some regulations will be necessary at some point. The NPS regulates them inside National Parks, and other local regulators do that, too. Manufacturing regulations are a different thing, but at this point I don't think it's possible for anyone to know what regulations would be worth the cost.
The feds should concentrate on definitions. There may be new classes or tricycle regulations. The various states should have the ability to harmonize with the FEDs definitions. For this reason, the FEDs need to led the way. The state legislatures are famous for requiring the equivalent of sky hooks and smoke deflectors because they are responding with emotion to a perceived situation. Pasting a label on something doesn't mean it will be effective in the regulated task. Often, a fix for a minor problem will create a new problem.
I just don’t like having to register it. Especially if you build it from scratch.
In poland(europe?) we have theoretical 250W limit and at 25km/h there must be 0W power from motor..but for now noone inspecting who drive what.
Very helpful in getting the mass of myself and the bike in motion while crossing an intersection and get clear quickly. Not to mention against wind and up hills.
I think bikes and other adult bicycles should have some sort of lighting system similar to what motorcycles are required to have. If they want to use the roads along with automobiles, they should be able to be seen and a to show their intentions and when they are braking and in all light conditions. I believe a one piece system that is built into a handlebars with brake lights and directionals operating by a thumb lever similar to what a motorcycle has.
I live in Ireland, I was considering to get an ebike and checked the law....E-bikes under 250 watts, with an electric motor cut-off at 25kmh, and where the motor only operates while pedalling, will continue to be treated as bikes (throttle is allowed, but only up 6kmh as walking assist). Electric bikes with motors that do not cut helping off by 25km/h or which have a maximum continuous rated power greater than 250W have to be registered as e-moped, require a licence, registration, tax, insurance, and helmets and are not permitted in cycle or bus lanes, or motorways....
government hates you
AS I read & recall TX law, if the eBike is not class 1, 2, or 3, then it must be registered to use on the road.
E-bike regulations are coming because people with e-bikes couldn't use them responsibly. Just so we all remember there are reguations on where a regular bicycle can be ridden, too.
Do tell
That’s a bullshit reason tho. People misuse cars much more often than e-bikes, but cars still don’t have reasonable speed governing or my strict regs
The only restrictions i think make seems is the assembly of the motor and the assembly of the brakes. I think for safety of the consumer this 2 should be done professionally. Classification of different version and safety measure for those classes is important. One difference is rules for built riding isn't clear for all riders. Linscensure for specific classes makes sense to me.. not sure if that's already a thing on regular bikes??
I know of no such licensing requirement for regular bikes. Motorcycles, yes.
I consider a class 2 e-bike a motorcycle. It has a throttle and should be regulated as such. I personally have a class 1 e-mtb and love the thing. It allows me to ride more and enjoy the climbs. I rarely use trail mode and mainly ride in eco mode. Trail mode is for the road ride home when I'm truly tired.