You forgot that if Mars had an iron core it would also have plate tectonics of some kind and the 3 major volcanos would be active, most likely in cycles. Also Humanity wouldn't have the greatest question of all time: "Are we alone?"
How does the iron core create tectonics? We have tectonics due to the crust being "broken" into many pieces, these pieces "float" on the asthenosphere, so, as long as it is hot enough, for a "plastic" liquid" like asthenosphere you dont need an iron core. To add even more, Mars does have an iron core, his point was, that if you were to remove the hydrogen in the core, it might make it possible for the iron and nickel to create a magnetic field. Even if Mars had tectonics, the volcanos on mars are due to Hotspots in the asthenosphere, if Mars had tectonics, these Hot spots would move and make the volcanos inactive, making a volcano the size of mount olympus impossible.
If Mars had plate tectonics, those 3 volcanos would not have grown as big, as tectonic movements would have shifted them off the hotspot, slowing down their growth. They may well have ended up smaller than Earth's major shield volcanos like Mauna Kea.
How would these tectonic plates look like? Cause im working on a Project where Mars never died and being a Seedworld. This includes realistic Plate tectonics
One thing I would imagine is that the Martian landscape would actually be very different - you can very clearly see the asteroid impacts, which would be far less visible or not present at all if Mars had an atmosphere that could support life.
The coastline in particular would've been eroded quite a bit. The seas and coastlines would probably still be in the same general regions, but the coastlines would be shaped differently. Without tectonic activity, and with the planet being much drier, many more craters would've survived than here on Earth. The Yarrabubba impact structure here on Earth for instance has survived more than 2 billion years just because that piece of crust wasn't swallowed up by the mantle. So yeah, it would look different. But still much more cratered than Earth, and probably still somewhat similar to the map I made.
If mars kept its atmosphere and oceans, then it’s likely that the impact craters would have eroded a lot (even if its atmosphere would be quite thinner)
Sir David Attenborough, the leading member of the International Martian Exploration Society. I can imagine him in a hazmat suit (as to not disturb the martian environment) researching all the new species and broadcasting it all on the BBC. Now that's a documentary I would love to watch!
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In my honest opinion, if Venus was habitable, either life on Venus would evolve faster than life on earth (resulting in intelligent life being birthed on Venus before Earth) which would result in either a solar system where both Humanity and the people of Venus fight over the solar system's resources, or the people of Venus colonizing Earth before Humanity is advanced enough to fight back
@@GotMyTowel42I'm pretty sure EU would help east African Federation (because it's literally EU but with african states in it) while i absolutely sure that China (because they want monopoly on investments on African continent) would make all to ruin this federation apart , if they try make own currency for Africa maybe USA would also be against them , but not as much as china
What's the best way to make Venus habitable? Give Venus a moon, have Mercury as that Moon. Venus needs a faster rotation rate, let's give it a rotation rate of 22 hours, Venus has a magnetic field and a 80% cloud cover, further sake of argument Venus has two main continents, a globe girdling Aphrodite and the smaller continent of Istar up north. Venus keeps its oceans, but the average temperature is 70°C, there is life here, but its adapted to this high temperature, humans need cooling suits to venture most places except at the highest altitudes and latitudes, where conditions are merely tropical.
Nope, Venus is like in the very hot edge of habitable zone just like Mars in cold edge. Without dense atmosphere and greenhouse gases habitable Venus average temperature can be 30°C+ . Which is like tropical regions on earth@@Voidmaster1458
its entirely possible that martian life would not be reliant on chlorophyll, so martian life could have used, say, retinase or bacteriochlorophyll and obtained a purple color. (i am not a biochemist and i learned of these chemicals from a few minutes of google search; take what i say with a large pinch of salt.) both mars and earth have a significant amount of silicon; silicon-based life is also a possibility.
Coal is from the Carboniferous because it related to a very specific type of large scaled tree that has since gone extinct. Oil has nothing to do with the Carboniferous. Most oil comes from small photosynthesizers like plankton and algae. The vast majority of oil formation was after the Paleozoic Era (which the Carboniferous was during the later end of)
I covered a good amount of topics in this video, so I'm not surprised I missed something, appreciate the comment. From what I can gather 90% of natural gas and oil formation happened between 10-180 million years ago. Mars is also much smaller than Earth. So perhaps that could still mean Mars has far less oil, maybe even so little it's impractical to utilize on a large scale given that it's a limited resource. Then again initial settlements would be small, so they wouldn't require nearly the amount as our civilization here on Earth at least early on. Could also be that the reason most natural gas and oil deposits formed recent-ish is simply that older deposits have been lost due to much of that ancient crust having been recycled as a result of tectonic activity, I would have to look much more into it.
@@Neatling I think the lack of any tectonic forces on would be pretty significant on mars, with resource distribution being very heavily tied to volcanism. There's a vid by Artifexian called "where are metals found on fantasy worlds" or something like that that goes into quite a bit of detail (for a youtube video for an unrelated purpose) as to how mineral resources were distributed around Earth.
You underestimate the butterfly effect, my friend. The changes would be much more drastic. Hard to say what exactly would change, but culture would be very space-centric. Therefore, we might even go ahead with terraforming Venus and sending the co2 to Mars to fill up the atmosphere a little more so more land would be habitable for life (greenhouse effect and thicker atmosphere, right?) gr8 vid man :D Venus next?
I bet the Sinosociet split might have been prevented as they reached for each other to collaborate on a program to compete with America. The scientific developments and cultural energy might’ve enhanced interest and funding in bases on Antarctica as well It’s highly probable there would be minor competitor programs cropping up in the developing world sending out probes to mars as well, like in Africa probably led by South Africa or the Middle East led by the Iranians
You underestimate the enormous expense of colonizing Mars in this scenario. Sure, it's a lot easier than in real life, but still very expensive without any immediate return. Nixon would still have focused more on the Vietnam War, and the U.S. policy up to the modern day would be more interested in issues at home than colonizing Mars. We'd definitely have some presence on Mars, likely nothing more than a few research stations like those in Antartica. Real colonization, in any meaningful way as we understand colonization, wouldn't take off until private companies like SpaceX make it happen
A benefit of Mars being almost exclusively desert, would be that mining would not disturb the ecosystem that much. And there would be plenty of barren land available for manufacturing and vast solar power generation fields
For Mars to be habitable, it needs a large moon for a satellite that would help the planet to generate a strong magnetic field. That would allow Mars to retain its atmosphere.
This was a fantastic video!! Thank you so much for this! Did you take any inspiration from any existing fictional stories or just sort of take your own swing at it? Thanks again! God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Seems like Venus, had it not theoretically had a collision reversing and slowing its rotation, could have even more likely been habitable by life....seems like another video.
2:53 I wish there were more illustrations of what the surface of a habitable alien planet might look like. For a subject that has endless possibilities for an artist to explore, there are relatively few of them around. That's why I'm thinking of creating some myself.
I’d point out that manifest destiny likely doesn’t happen in this timeline, since the “New World” that is the Americas would be overshadowed by a literal New World - that is a new habitable planet. Without manifest destiny, the US would be a whole lot smaller, perhaps nonexistent. I think people would spend all of the energy they spent getting to the americas on getting to Mars. And they would do it for the same reason too - to usher in the “New World”
“Yet across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.”
That is true. A massive amount of the technology we have here today, is almost exclusively due to the space race. The only war that was waged on the basis of technology and pride, not killing people. We need a new war. A war to colonize the moon. We need to bring back Nazi-levels of nationalism, but a liberal level of sanctity of life. Not sure what we do even these days. We should really just start building shit for the sake of it. The romans had their grand projects they built simply because thats what makes life worth living. We must do the same. If we dont, were just gonna fade into irrelevancy.
If we magically warm up Mars there would probably be a war of he is going to own it, basically just like another race for the moon, but instead for Mars.
Another major prerequisite is rapidly growing populations. That started slowing down during the mid 20th century. Tbh with the way things are going I don't see space colonization being economically beneficial until we get to similar growth rates we had between 1870 to 1970. Maybe even higher.
GUYS MARS USE TO HAVE A HUGE ATMOSHPERE AND COULD HAVE BEEN INHABATABLE, Scientests have found so much water it could fill up all the oceons in the earth, its just SO dar down that they cant reach it!!! THIS IS BREAK THROUGH AND AMAZING :O
If we wind back the clock like 3 billion years, the sun would be so much less luminous that the Martian orbit at the time was far outside the habitable zone, meaning mars with a magnetosphere would not be receiving enough light to heat it up enough to keep its oceans from freezing. This means it would be habitable for a brief time after its initial fiery formation before the leftover heat subsides and the planet freezes. It would then remain frozen until around about now since the Martian orbit is now in the habitable zone, though still only residing at the outer edge.
For no particular reason, here is the start of my WH40k story where they terraform "Completely not Mars" by placing a ring around it to reflect sunlight to the surface. Chapter 1, Introduction and starting the glass mandala. "So, you've chosen your punishment?" the Arbiter asks. The accused looks around for a moment, scratches the stubble on their chin, seems to for a moment talk to themselves and then speaks up. "Yes, your honor". The Arbiter bangs the gavel and the guards take the accused away. After a distance of travel, both through the channels and conduits of the justice system, and through the paths of the warp. The accused, a few servitors, a simple manufacturing ship and the guards assigned to guard others from him, and the guards assigned to protect him from others, settle in orbit of an arid world, only underground water deposits and polar icecaps, no atmosphere. "So we're here." the mechanicus states with a simple tone. "Fine, lets get started." The first step is obvious, finding the right silica rock in system and putting it in high orbit, using the machinery brought, to dissassemble the rock into the tiniest shards of glass and with the smallest of efforts drop them into their orbits. After some moments there would be a beautiful ring mandala praising The Emperor, of multicolored glass, reflecting light onto the surface, and as is said to be the first step, there will be light. The accused sits and reads for a moment, glancing every now and then at the indicators, all is going as was meant. At the corner of his eye, he sees one of the guards take off his helmet. --- Chapter 2; What the hell are we doing here. "What the hell are we doing here." the Guardsman says. He looks around at the assorted crew of guardsmen, space marines, servitors, staffers and a few mechanics. The accused looks up from the paper, throws it on the table and perks upright. "So, they gave me a choice, turn into a servitor, be sent on a crusade into the eye of terror, or get one ship and one empty planet and a rogue trader charter on anything produced on that planet." The Guardsman motions to the ragtag band of marines in different armors. "Yeah, they were given a choice of which crusade to go and they chose pacifying this sector and making sure I dont step out of line." The accused snorts and continues. "And you're here to make sure they dont step out of line. Funny huh, cant say I envy you." The Guardsman looks at the marines, then at the accused, then back, and again. His lips make a tiny bit of quiver then he stands up and says "Sir." Moments later the machine beeps and displays a picture of a disk of glass shards on a mandala around the planet. --- Chapter 3: A couple of days later in the mess hall. A couple of days later in the mess hall. The quite bustling and chatter of the mess hall echoes for some distance, quiet though it is, down the hallway. The accused sits in his room, the door open, and listens. What he hears are discussions ranging from the food being served, to debates on how much of a failure the accused is to be assigned a rotten job like this. He sits, and waits, mess just started so everyone is still Rambunctious and active, a bit later it will be calmer. He looks at the packets of food on the table, grey brown plaststeel packages. On top reads "Starch Intolerant Ration" with a small text below indicating that it is D quality military ratio. Next to it is a can of Corpse Starch. He looks at it intently, as if that single can represented all that is wrong in the imperium and his current predicament. He glances at the clock on the wall. Its been long enough now. Purposefully getting up and walking to the mess hall takes but a few moments. The bustle quiets down when the accused enters the room, everyone glances, some return quickly to their dining, some do not. Accused looks around and nods at diners and speaks. "I know you've been wandering what kind of hell went down to be sent here. Suffice it to say, I saw a lot of stuff wrong with the system, i complained more, was proven right in my complaints, and told that since i'm so good at pinpointing patterns and showing how things work. I should show everyone how to turn a wasteland to a garden world, that or the options i mentioned earlier. Vivisection was also mentioned." The collected crew let out a few huhs and ahas. "Okay, so I have 1 job, and one rule for today." The people look at him a bit annoyed, rules, already, they seem to think, but they are willing enough to hear him out. "First rules first." He picks ruffles through his bag and picks out a can of Corpse Starch. "This stuff, its not called corpse starch because its like starch for your body, its called that because its ground up human. Now i dont know about any of you, but i'd prefer we store all this stuff and wait for the day we need to host some blood ravens or flesh tearers." He picks out the ration pack from the bag and throws it on the nearest table. "Now one of the things I asked this ship to be filled with to the brim are meals, not made from humans, and seeds." A guardsmen looks at their meal and laughs, thinking it must be a joke of some kind, a large marine clad in blue places his hand gently on the shoulder of the guardsman and nods with a sad grim expression. The guardsman goes pale in the face. "So, lets start with that, no more eating humans, the other part is we need to send an expedition to all the planets in system to see whats around and if there is anyone or anything we should know about." The collected crew stands up and stars hauling towards the launch bay, as they walk down the hallway a faint sound of someone vomiting can be heard. The maintanance Mechanicum beeps, picks up a mop, and starts heading towards the sound.
He touched on the location of Mars. Mars is located at the very end of the habitable zone and with an atmosphere and it would still be very cold. I read that if Mars had an atmosphere they estimate the warmest temperature would be about 62 degrees in the summer.
The habitable zone isn't really a fixed thing. A planet exactly like Earth would have a fixed limited habitable zone around the sun. But a planet or moons temperature and habitability depends on a ton of other factors. You could for example have a Mars almost as hot as Venus if it had a thick CO2 atmosphere. Or a habitable warm Mars with no ice caps. Or even a moon around Jupiter with liquid oceans if it orbited close enough to be warmed enough by the stretching of the moon caused by Jupiters gravity. For this scenario, Mars has much more CO2 in its atmosphere than Earth, which is why humans wouldn't be able to breathe there without aid, and why it's relatively warm. But I'm no climate scientist, which is why I don't go into specifics.
Incorrect: multicellular life a rose almost instantly after the introduction of oxygen to the atmosphere. Without oxygen it was impossible and so obviously never developed
The biggest difference is tides wouldn't exist as Mars doesn't have a large moon like ours meaning the landscape would likely remain static on coastlines without water erosion caused by high and low tides and would effect the abiliy of intelligent life anywhere off the coast
Mars is the single most overrated planet in existence. You should do Venus, imagine if Earth had a twin. Our history would be _very_ different now and I'm not talking astronomical history, we'd be a multi-planet species and far more technologically advanced than we are now because getting to Venus would have driven technological advancement from a much earlier point.
If the US in this scenario continued to invest in the Orion nuclear pulse jet spaceships they would have ships in their inventory that could travel to the red planet in only a few weeks. These large ships would also be crewed a hundreds of people.
Honestly my theoretical timeline in this alternate space race is American moon base in the early 80s, Soviet manned moon landing and expansion of Americas moon base in the late 80s, US expansion and creation of unmanned lunar outposts pocketed over several strategic locations across the 90s (essentially reststops for future efforts and supply depots, and places to refuel rovers etc) alongside first manned landing of Mars. End of American international space operations in favor of a national focused one, resultantly no ISS instead a purely American Space Station. Temporary slowdown of US space program in the early and mid 2000s mostly focused on refurbishing existing assets, with the notable exception of the creation of a early reusable rocket system in the works and the complete temporary cut of Mars programs. Reusable rocket in full use into the late 2000s, also first European manned landing on the moon, causing a revitalization of the American space program alongside Chinas own growing efforts. Massive expansion of US Lunar operations in the 2010s including the start of moderate scale mining and manufacturing, return trips to Mars and establishment of Mars bases for future temporary inhabitation during missions there. European Moon base in the late 2010s probably around 2018 or 2019 as well as a Chinese manned lunar landing, US probably establishes 'exclusion' zones near its facilities to ensure their security and begins to militarize the moon due the military nature of Chinas space program, and its more importantly outright ARMED nature. China begins a rushed effort to establish its own moon base in the early 2020s and Europe probably plans out a Mars landing in the mid to late 2020s America probably establishes a more permanently inhabited Mars base in the late 2020s utilization a rotation system, reusable rockets, and the shipping of new reusable rockets from the moon. Coincided with this is the further expansion of US mining and manufacturing on the moon including the arrival of American corporate interests to the moon taking advantage of American infrastructure to establish their own efforts such as rare resource mining and manufacturing only possible in low gravity environments both being immensely automated with minimal human oversight. Russia, assuming the Ukraine War (if it even happens in this timeline) has ended will probably revisit the moon and establish their own moon base in the early 2030s with many small space programs such as the Japanese space program doing their own first moon landings in the early, mid, and late 2030s. Also probably the creation of Chinese and Europeans delayed space station efforts seeing fruit with their own space stations. Past this the advancement of the various programs is just entirely unpredictable especially with the hard to predict state of geopolitics and other factors in play. Though id predict that despite its headstart the USA would not have the first full on colony on Mars due to unwillingness to break space related treaties meant to prevent land grabs and will instead reorient away from Mars to the rest of the solar system till someone else makes a colony first. This would put them in a great position to have the most widespread and expansive space colonial 'empire' however due the build up of infrastructure and bases across the solar system once the colonial race starts up and will potentially claim entire small celestial bodies such as among Jupiter's moons.
Great scenario except the continents would look different from the mars in the real world because mars is like earth in this video the continents would move
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Problem with lunar industry is we don't know if there are useful materials in the lunar crust. The few moon rocks we have brought back have given some insight but not nearly enough to base an industry off of.
@@inzyniertv9305 actually one of the great concerns is that kicking up too much dust will ruin the vacuum which might otherwise have certain applications in science and manufacturing, which would be a kind of pollution
@@doltBmB No? You realize you can simply just filter out that dust? The moon is a vacuum. Its easy to make a vacuum in the moon since you dont have to worry about your chamber turning into a litteral bomb.
On this timeline Mars become another Africa with native but less advanced population and they are conquerend and scrambled by major powers leading in a colonial race for the planet.
It all depends on the mass and radius of the planet, afterall. Mass is not a prerequisite for the object to just have a spherical object, but for other factors as well. Both Mars's mass and radius - especially the mass factor - is so low that it couldn't support neither plate tectonics nor an Earth-like atmosphere. For such atmospheric chemistry and plate tectonics, a dense core is required, hence, a heavy-metal one, preferably consisted of ferromagnetic elements so the object can have a dynamo effect to produce the magnetic field needed. Also, radius is crucial. Mars should have a radius at least equal to Titan's so it would be heavier, having a much better possibility for heavier elements to compose its atmosphere and its core. Bigger mass combined with the longer distance from the Sun relative to Earth, would give a faster spin (probably equal to that of Earth's) and as a result plate tectonics would certainly take place.
You forgot that if Mars had an iron core it would also have plate tectonics of some kind and the 3 major volcanos would be active, most likely in cycles. Also Humanity wouldn't have the greatest question of all time: "Are we alone?"
How does the iron core create tectonics? We have tectonics due to the crust being "broken" into many pieces, these pieces "float" on the asthenosphere, so, as long as it is hot enough, for a "plastic" liquid" like asthenosphere you dont need an iron core. To add even more, Mars does have an iron core, his point was, that if you were to remove the hydrogen in the core, it might make it possible for the iron and nickel to create a magnetic field. Even if Mars had tectonics, the volcanos on mars are due to Hotspots in the asthenosphere, if Mars had tectonics, these Hot spots would move and make the volcanos inactive, making a volcano the size of mount olympus impossible.
If you are more of an expert in this, I would like to be corrected. Please explain your point if I am wrong.
If Mars had plate tectonics, those 3 volcanos would not have grown as big, as tectonic movements would have shifted them off the hotspot, slowing down their growth. They may well have ended up smaller than Earth's major shield volcanos like Mauna Kea.
@@kxbelsalat6390bro you technically saying earths tectonics ain't moving 💀
How would these tectonic plates look like? Cause im working on a Project where Mars never died and being a Seedworld. This includes realistic Plate tectonics
One thing I would imagine is that the Martian landscape would actually be very different - you can very clearly see the asteroid impacts, which would be far less visible or not present at all if Mars had an atmosphere that could support life.
The coastline in particular would've been eroded quite a bit. The seas and coastlines would probably still be in the same general regions, but the coastlines would be shaped differently.
Without tectonic activity, and with the planet being much drier, many more craters would've survived than here on Earth. The Yarrabubba impact structure here on Earth for instance has survived more than 2 billion years just because that piece of crust wasn't swallowed up by the mantle.
So yeah, it would look different. But still much more cratered than Earth, and probably still somewhat similar to the map I made.
If mars kept its atmosphere and oceans, then it’s likely that the impact craters would have eroded a lot (even if its atmosphere would be quite thinner)
@@Neatling what if the Abbasid Caliphate industrialized? What if Venus was habitable?
Sir David Attenborough, the leading member of the International Martian Exploration Society. I can imagine him in a hazmat suit (as to not disturb the martian environment) researching all the new species and broadcasting it all on the BBC. Now that's a documentary I would love to watch!
Marshian 💀
And then Steve Irwin jumps in and grabs on to what ever alien he can
Attenborough the globull warming beliver.
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Please do a video on what if Venus was Habitable? Also What if the East African Federation became a real sovereign superstate today?
Regarding East African Federation:
It would face lots of interference from other countries, patricularly US, EU and China. Might spark war.
In my honest opinion, if Venus was habitable, either life on Venus would evolve faster than life on earth (resulting in intelligent life being birthed on Venus before Earth) which would result in either a solar system where both Humanity and the people of Venus fight over the solar system's resources, or the people of Venus colonizing Earth before Humanity is advanced enough to fight back
@@GotMyTowel42I'm pretty sure EU would help east African Federation (because it's literally EU but with african states in it) while i absolutely sure that China (because they want monopoly on investments on African continent) would make all to ruin this federation apart , if they try make own currency for Africa maybe USA would also be against them , but not as much as china
@@АртемМакєєв pretty much
Do one were Venus was habitable
What's the best way to make Venus habitable? Give Venus a moon, have Mercury as that Moon. Venus needs a faster rotation rate, let's give it a rotation rate of 22 hours, Venus has a magnetic field and a 80% cloud cover, further sake of argument Venus has two main continents, a globe girdling Aphrodite and the smaller continent of Istar up north. Venus keeps its oceans, but the average temperature is 70°C, there is life here, but its adapted to this high temperature, humans need cooling suits to venture most places except at the highest altitudes and latitudes, where conditions are merely tropical.
It would be pretty hot
Nope, Venus is like in the very hot edge of habitable zone just like Mars in cold edge. Without dense atmosphere and greenhouse gases habitable Venus average temperature can be 30°C+ . Which is like tropical regions on earth@@Voidmaster1458
its entirely possible that martian life would not be reliant on chlorophyll, so martian life could have used, say, retinase or bacteriochlorophyll and obtained a purple color. (i am not a biochemist and i learned of these chemicals from a few minutes of google search; take what i say with a large pinch of salt.)
both mars and earth have a significant amount of silicon; silicon-based life is also a possibility.
ofc it's possible, but why?
A World Of Difference by Harry Turtledove has this as its central theme, and they call it Minerva instead of Mars
So, just a smaller earth, mostly looking like Greenland and Australia.
Nah, more like Norway, Iceland
Imagine being bitten by a Martian spider
The book:
"A World of Difference"
is set in an alternate reality.
A nice read.
The major change is:
"Mars is too damn small; but what if it weren't?"
Coal is from the Carboniferous because it related to a very specific type of large scaled tree that has since gone extinct.
Oil has nothing to do with the Carboniferous. Most oil comes from small photosynthesizers like plankton and algae. The vast majority of oil formation was after the Paleozoic Era (which the Carboniferous was during the later end of)
I covered a good amount of topics in this video, so I'm not surprised I missed something, appreciate the comment.
From what I can gather 90% of natural gas and oil formation happened between 10-180 million years ago. Mars is also much smaller than Earth. So perhaps that could still mean Mars has far less oil, maybe even so little it's impractical to utilize on a large scale given that it's a limited resource. Then again initial settlements would be small, so they wouldn't require nearly the amount as our civilization here on Earth at least early on.
Could also be that the reason most natural gas and oil deposits formed recent-ish is simply that older deposits have been lost due to much of that ancient crust having been recycled as a result of tectonic activity, I would have to look much more into it.
@@Neatling I think the lack of any tectonic forces on would be pretty significant on mars, with resource distribution being very heavily tied to volcanism. There's a vid by Artifexian called "where are metals found on fantasy worlds" or something like that that goes into quite a bit of detail (for a youtube video for an unrelated purpose) as to how mineral resources were distributed around Earth.
You underestimate the butterfly effect, my friend.
The changes would be much more drastic. Hard to say what exactly would change, but culture would be very space-centric.
Therefore, we might even go ahead with terraforming Venus and sending the co2 to Mars to fill up the atmosphere a little more so more land would be habitable for life (greenhouse effect and thicker atmosphere, right?)
gr8 vid man :D
Venus next?
I bet the Sinosociet split might have been prevented as they reached for each other to collaborate on a program to compete with America.
The scientific developments and cultural energy might’ve enhanced interest and funding in bases on Antarctica as well
It’s highly probable there would be minor competitor programs cropping up in the developing world sending out probes to mars as well, like in Africa probably led by South Africa or the Middle East led by the Iranians
You underestimate the enormous expense of colonizing Mars in this scenario. Sure, it's a lot easier than in real life, but still very expensive without any immediate return. Nixon would still have focused more on the Vietnam War, and the U.S. policy up to the modern day would be more interested in issues at home than colonizing Mars. We'd definitely have some presence on Mars, likely nothing more than a few research stations like those in Antartica. Real colonization, in any meaningful way as we understand colonization, wouldn't take off until private companies like SpaceX make it happen
A benefit of Mars being almost exclusively desert, would be that mining would not disturb the ecosystem that much. And there would be plenty of barren land available for manufacturing and vast solar power generation fields
It would have been nice to see an ocean on Mars....
For Mars to be habitable, it needs a large moon for a satellite that would help the planet to generate a strong magnetic field. That would allow Mars to retain its atmosphere.
so a golden age of exploration for humanity. I love it!!
I can tell that this video will be amazing 😊✨
What an awesome video, this obviously took a lot of research. Great job
Yess do a venus one too
This was a fantastic video!! Thank you so much for this! Did you take any inspiration from any existing fictional stories or just sort of take your own swing at it? Thanks again!
God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Seems like Venus, had it not theoretically had a collision reversing and slowing its rotation, could have even more likely been habitable by life....seems like another video.
2:53 I wish there were more illustrations of what the surface of a habitable alien planet might look like. For a subject that has endless possibilities for an artist to explore, there are relatively few of them around. That's why I'm thinking of creating some myself.
I’d point out that manifest destiny likely doesn’t happen in this timeline, since the “New World” that is the Americas would be overshadowed by a literal New World - that is a new habitable planet.
Without manifest destiny, the US would be a whole lot smaller, perhaps nonexistent.
I think people would spend all of the energy they spent getting to the americas on getting to Mars. And they would do it for the same reason too - to usher in the “New World”
“Yet across the gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to ours, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.”
People forget how much of our technology revolves around space travel, this alternate world would be so much more technologically advanced
That is true.
A massive amount of the technology we have here today, is almost exclusively due to the space race.
The only war that was waged on the basis of technology and pride, not killing people.
We need a new war. A war to colonize the moon.
We need to bring back Nazi-levels of nationalism, but a liberal level of sanctity of life.
Not sure what we do even these days.
We should really just start building shit for the sake of it.
The romans had their grand projects they built simply because thats what makes life worth living.
We must do the same. If we dont, were just gonna fade into irrelevancy.
Love your videos! Keep em up
Can you do what if Venus was habitable
Man I’m really loving the space videos is quite different compare to the normal alternate history
Now please do, what if Venus was habitable?
If we magically warm up Mars there would probably be a war of he is going to own it, basically just like another race for the moon, but instead for Mars.
What if Venus was inhabitable?
what if Venus was habitable?
Idk why but I keep on watching this video
Can you PLEASE do a video like this, but Venus is habitable?
Another major prerequisite is rapidly growing populations. That started slowing down during the mid 20th century. Tbh with the way things are going I don't see space colonization being economically beneficial until we get to similar growth rates we had between 1870 to 1970. Maybe even higher.
GUYS MARS USE TO HAVE A HUGE ATMOSHPERE AND COULD HAVE BEEN INHABATABLE, Scientests have found so much water it could fill up all the oceons in the earth, its just SO dar down that they cant reach it!!! THIS IS BREAK THROUGH AND AMAZING :O
If we wind back the clock like 3 billion years, the sun would be so much less luminous that the Martian orbit at the time was far outside the habitable zone, meaning mars with a magnetosphere would not be receiving enough light to heat it up enough to keep its oceans from freezing. This means it would be habitable for a brief time after its initial fiery formation before the leftover heat subsides and the planet freezes. It would then remain frozen until around about now since the Martian orbit is now in the habitable zone, though still only residing at the outer edge.
For no particular reason, here is the start of my WH40k story where they terraform "Completely not Mars" by placing a ring around it to reflect sunlight to the surface.
Chapter 1, Introduction and starting the glass mandala.
"So, you've chosen your punishment?" the Arbiter asks.
The accused looks around for a moment, scratches the stubble on their chin, seems to for a moment talk to themselves and then speaks up.
"Yes, your honor".
The Arbiter bangs the gavel and the guards take the accused away.
After a distance of travel, both through the channels and conduits of the justice system, and through the paths of the warp. The accused, a few servitors, a simple manufacturing ship and the guards assigned to guard others from him, and the guards assigned to protect him from others, settle in orbit of an arid world, only underground water deposits and polar icecaps, no atmosphere.
"So we're here." the mechanicus states with a simple tone.
"Fine, lets get started."
The first step is obvious, finding the right silica rock in system and putting it in high orbit, using the machinery brought, to dissassemble the rock into the tiniest shards of glass and with the smallest of efforts drop them into their orbits. After some moments there would be a beautiful ring mandala praising The Emperor, of multicolored glass, reflecting light onto the surface, and as is said to be the first step, there will be light.
The accused sits and reads for a moment, glancing every now and then at the indicators, all is going as was meant.
At the corner of his eye, he sees one of the guards take off his helmet.
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Chapter 2; What the hell are we doing here.
"What the hell are we doing here." the Guardsman says.
He looks around at the assorted crew of guardsmen, space marines, servitors, staffers and a few mechanics.
The accused looks up from the paper, throws it on the table and perks upright.
"So, they gave me a choice, turn into a servitor, be sent on a crusade into the eye of terror, or get one ship and one empty planet and a rogue trader charter on anything produced on that planet."
The Guardsman motions to the ragtag band of marines in different armors.
"Yeah, they were given a choice of which crusade to go and they chose pacifying this sector and making sure I dont step out of line."
The accused snorts and continues.
"And you're here to make sure they dont step out of line. Funny huh, cant say I envy you."
The Guardsman looks at the marines, then at the accused, then back, and again.
His lips make a tiny bit of quiver then he stands up and says "Sir."
Moments later the machine beeps and displays a picture of a disk of glass shards on a mandala around the planet.
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Chapter 3: A couple of days later in the mess hall.
A couple of days later in the mess hall.
The quite bustling and chatter of the mess hall echoes for some distance, quiet though it is, down the hallway.
The accused sits in his room, the door open, and listens.
What he hears are discussions ranging from the food being served, to debates on how much of a failure the accused is to be assigned a rotten job like this.
He sits, and waits, mess just started so everyone is still Rambunctious and active, a bit later it will be calmer.
He looks at the packets of food on the table, grey brown plaststeel packages. On top reads "Starch Intolerant Ration" with a small text below indicating that it is D quality military ratio.
Next to it is a can of Corpse Starch. He looks at it intently, as if that single can represented all that is wrong in the imperium and his current predicament.
He glances at the clock on the wall. Its been long enough now.
Purposefully getting up and walking to the mess hall takes but a few moments.
The bustle quiets down when the accused enters the room, everyone glances, some return quickly to their dining, some do not.
Accused looks around and nods at diners and speaks.
"I know you've been wandering what kind of hell went down to be sent here. Suffice it to say, I saw a lot of stuff wrong with the system, i complained more, was proven right in my complaints, and told that since i'm so good at pinpointing patterns and showing how things work. I should show everyone how to turn a wasteland to a garden world, that or the options i mentioned earlier. Vivisection was also mentioned."
The collected crew let out a few huhs and ahas.
"Okay, so I have 1 job, and one rule for today."
The people look at him a bit annoyed, rules, already, they seem to think, but they are willing enough to hear him out.
"First rules first." He picks ruffles through his bag and picks out a can of Corpse Starch.
"This stuff, its not called corpse starch because its like starch for your body, its called that because its ground up human. Now i dont know about any of you, but i'd prefer we store all this stuff and wait for the day we need to host some blood ravens or flesh tearers."
He picks out the ration pack from the bag and throws it on the nearest table.
"Now one of the things I asked this ship to be filled with to the brim are meals, not made from humans, and seeds."
A guardsmen looks at their meal and laughs, thinking it must be a joke of some kind, a large marine clad in blue places his hand gently on the shoulder of the guardsman and nods with a sad grim expression. The guardsman goes pale in the face.
"So, lets start with that, no more eating humans, the other part is we need to send an expedition to all the planets in system to see whats around and if there is anyone or anything we should know about."
The collected crew stands up and stars hauling towards the launch bay, as they walk down the hallway a faint sound of someone vomiting can be heard.
The maintanance Mechanicum beeps, picks up a mop, and starts heading towards the sound.
I'm gonna make my own story about this. 😮
This would be interesting and it doesn't have many downsides either
He touched on the location of Mars. Mars is located at the very end of the habitable zone and with an atmosphere and it would still be very cold. I read that if Mars had an atmosphere they estimate the warmest temperature would be about 62 degrees in the summer.
The habitable zone isn't really a fixed thing. A planet exactly like Earth would have a fixed limited habitable zone around the sun. But a planet or moons temperature and habitability depends on a ton of other factors.
You could for example have a Mars almost as hot as Venus if it had a thick CO2 atmosphere. Or a habitable warm Mars with no ice caps. Or even a moon around Jupiter with liquid oceans if it orbited close enough to be warmed enough by the stretching of the moon caused by Jupiters gravity.
For this scenario, Mars has much more CO2 in its atmosphere than Earth, which is why humans wouldn't be able to breathe there without aid, and why it's relatively warm. But I'm no climate scientist, which is why I don't go into specifics.
Europeans be like: Yoink, Mars is now mine.
Shoutout to all who still remember the game "Ultima: Martian Dreams." ^^
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I like this video its so interestyng
Fed video Neatling
You should do a video on colonizing Venus
It amuses me, we F-up a paradise planet and look at inhospitable rocks "out there" and play "what if".
Humans are dumb indeed, thats why many things bothers me when they want these power, i sure would never allow it if i did had powers
Incorrect: multicellular life a rose almost instantly after the introduction of oxygen to the atmosphere. Without oxygen it was impossible and so obviously never developed
Fun fact: Mars will be habitable in the past and future.
Not in future
Can you do Venus next?
a better world...
The biggest difference is tides wouldn't exist as Mars doesn't have a large moon like ours meaning the landscape would likely remain static on coastlines without water erosion caused by high and low tides and would effect the abiliy of intelligent life anywhere off the coast
thumbnail animals are from spec evo world Birrin i think
Mars is the single most overrated planet in existence. You should do Venus, imagine if Earth had a twin. Our history would be _very_ different now and I'm not talking astronomical history, we'd be a multi-planet species and far more technologically advanced than we are now because getting to Venus would have driven technological advancement from a much earlier point.
new human step: make mars warmer
Please make a video about if venus was habitable like mars in this video
I live in the town in the picture in the thumbnail
How cool would it be if Mars AND Venus were both inhabited and we could travel between all of these planets
If the US in this scenario continued to invest in the Orion nuclear pulse jet spaceships they would have ships in their inventory that could travel to the red planet in only a few weeks. These large ships would also be crewed a hundreds of people.
If the Mars colony industrializes, they could increase the density of the atmosphere with waste gases, for example, iron refining produces oxygen
You made the map?
Honestly my theoretical timeline in this alternate space race is American moon base in the early 80s,
Soviet manned moon landing and expansion of Americas moon base in the late 80s,
US expansion and creation of unmanned lunar outposts pocketed over several strategic locations across the 90s (essentially reststops for future efforts and supply depots, and places to refuel rovers etc) alongside first manned landing of Mars. End of American international space operations in favor of a national focused one, resultantly no ISS instead a purely American Space Station.
Temporary slowdown of US space program in the early and mid 2000s mostly focused on refurbishing existing assets, with the notable exception of the creation of a early reusable rocket system in the works and the complete temporary cut of Mars programs.
Reusable rocket in full use into the late 2000s, also first European manned landing on the moon, causing a revitalization of the American space program alongside Chinas own growing efforts.
Massive expansion of US Lunar operations in the 2010s including the start of moderate scale mining and manufacturing, return trips to Mars and establishment of Mars bases for future temporary inhabitation during missions there.
European Moon base in the late 2010s probably around 2018 or 2019 as well as a Chinese manned lunar landing, US probably establishes 'exclusion' zones near its facilities to ensure their security and begins to militarize the moon due the military nature of Chinas space program, and its more importantly outright ARMED nature.
China begins a rushed effort to establish its own moon base in the early 2020s and Europe probably plans out a Mars landing in the mid to late 2020s America probably establishes a more permanently inhabited Mars base in the late 2020s utilization a rotation system, reusable rockets, and the shipping of new reusable rockets from the moon. Coincided with this is the further expansion of US mining and manufacturing on the moon including the arrival of American corporate interests to the moon taking advantage of American infrastructure to establish their own efforts such as rare resource mining and manufacturing only possible in low gravity environments both being immensely automated with minimal human oversight.
Russia, assuming the Ukraine War (if it even happens in this timeline) has ended will probably revisit the moon and establish their own moon base in the early 2030s with many small space programs such as the Japanese space program doing their own first moon landings in the early, mid, and late 2030s. Also probably the creation of Chinese and Europeans delayed space station efforts seeing fruit with their own space stations.
Past this the advancement of the various programs is just entirely unpredictable especially with the hard to predict state of geopolitics and other factors in play. Though id predict that despite its headstart the USA would not have the first full on colony on Mars due to unwillingness to break space related treaties meant to prevent land grabs and will instead reorient away from Mars to the rest of the solar system till someone else makes a colony first. This would put them in a great position to have the most widespread and expansive space colonial 'empire' however due the build up of infrastructure and bases across the solar system once the colonial race starts up and will potentially claim entire small celestial bodies such as among Jupiter's moons.
From mars to earth-like oasis
Algae and photosynthesizing bacteria in the ocean would perhaps form some fossil fuels. What of methane clathrates?
How incredible would this alternate timeline have been 😂
I always hope this was real 😢😢
I HOEP NOT
Letsss goo!!!
I couldn't imagine how catastrophic the cold war would be 😭😭💀
Mars: Basically Iceland!
Who would go there to live central aisan nomads or just the us
Mars core needs a big injection of surfactant to get thay dynamo rollin'...
what if we actually came from aliens? that would explain the cambrian explosion
Eventually it will become the Expanse lol
I wish this was true
Fuck no
why would the ESA & NASA be contenders? both parties were already allied under NATO, which facilitates dialog.
Well, do you know how it would turn out? Both Mars and the moon would break away and declare independence, and we'd have a beautiful cold war in space
next up: what if poland landed on the moon before the US (in this scenario poland wouldve had to become self-governing after ww2)
Do venus now!
And Phobos Moon Will Break-up Into A Habitable Rings Like Saturn. (But Thin Rings.)
BUT In 2025 Humans Start To Colonize With Mars But Solar Flares Will Blow You!
I could go Eidelon hunting w boys
Moon moment
Great scenario except the continents would look different from the mars in the real world because mars is like earth in this video the continents would move
Can you do what if Christianity never took power in Europe? Or What if the Norse never converted?
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Lets be honest, we would nuke the f*ck out of the wasteland deserts, or even the icy land mass, in order to warm up the planet.
Mars elephant . Tiger deer more earth animals mars be available
Actually lunar industry would be easier due to lower gravity
Problem with lunar industry is we don't know if there are useful materials in the lunar crust. The few moon rocks we have brought back have given some insight but not nearly enough to base an industry off of.
@@doltBmB Helium 3 + Luna cant be polluted so its a great place to refine resources we mine from asteroids
@@inzyniertv9305 actually one of the great concerns is that kicking up too much dust will ruin the vacuum which might otherwise have certain applications in science and manufacturing, which would be a kind of pollution
@@doltBmB Damn
@@doltBmB No? You realize you can simply just filter out that dust?
The moon is a vacuum. Its easy to make a vacuum in the moon since you dont have to worry about your chamber turning into a litteral bomb.
real question: what if romania was habitable?
Idk maybe?
All Hail FTs 🏴🏳🏴🏳
Wait, mars would have no oil??? Why would the USA invade it then??
Its cool
The incas drank coffee to help them breath the thinner air in the andes and geneticaly grew stronger lungs martians would do the same
Me a all tomorrows fan: YOU IMBECILE YOUVE DOOMED US ALL
What if Africa invaded Europe?
On this timeline Mars become another Africa with native but less advanced population and they are conquerend and scrambled by major powers leading in a colonial race for the planet.
Wonderful Video, so What if Saudi Arabia was colonised? What if Capitalism never existed?
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I'd sell my soul to the devil if I could live in that world.
It all depends on the mass and radius of the planet, afterall. Mass is not a prerequisite for the object to just have a spherical object, but for other factors as well. Both Mars's mass and radius - especially the mass factor - is so low that it couldn't support neither plate tectonics nor an Earth-like atmosphere. For such atmospheric chemistry and plate tectonics, a dense core is required, hence, a heavy-metal one, preferably consisted of ferromagnetic elements so the object can have a dynamo effect to produce the magnetic field needed. Also, radius is crucial. Mars should have a radius at least equal to Titan's so it would be heavier, having a much better possibility for heavier elements to compose its atmosphere and its core. Bigger mass combined with the longer distance from the Sun relative to Earth, would give a faster spin (probably equal to that of Earth's) and as a result plate tectonics would certainly take place.
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We will pollute it with garbage.
Please drop the old thought process its cringe humans don't pollute everything sure they'll come up with some way of keeping it clean