I love this channel so much, you make the Bayverse actually make sense, and make it more than just explosions and robots killing each other! Keep up the good work, man!!!
12:13 the fallens damaged face could be the primes protoform body design. I am theorizing that the primes had attached some kind of armour to themselves as a means to show rank or just clothing thus each having unique designs.
yea but it is a bit damage there was a thing I watched that the fallen's face was supposed to look like the Decepticon symbol thing but due to the writer strike they didn't have enough time to create the Fallen's face so they had to stick with what they had
Protoforms were such an interesting idea for Transformers, the 2007 movie really wanted to make Cybertronians much more “alien” in design and I really love it.
You can still make them alien by have cybertronian vehicles and animal/beast modes and distinct colors . The way the alt mode parts make up their bodies looks alien and just have them with more alien proportions and keep the more alien faces.
I really like the Bayformers twist on Cybertronians, since they seem more "techno-organic" than the aligned continuity and the IDW continuity. It'll also make sense as to why parental figures are mentioned in the films, even If they don't reproduce. When a new sparkling Is hatched, they could have been adopted by an older transformer who raises them and takes care of them. Of course they wouldn't be "fathers," but because they're speaking English they're just using the best next thing.
Jetfire had mother and father I say the hatchling pods are cloned from females. I say they might reproduce sexually as wheelie might suggest the transformers also get the concept of mating it is not foreign to them. Remember they lived in dying world hatchlings was used for military purposes. Many civilian transformers would have died not all would have been soldiers the fact that there is an infantile stage and they are totally helpless and the fact female Transformer exist we forget they are DNA based organisms.
That was low key confirm in Aoe when Optimus said "i went through that with bumblebee" suggesting that he raised him at some point explaining his loyalty to prime.
@@cyberproductions3736 i don't believe that, i want to assume that bumblebee was pretty much a novice, or basically the last member to join the autobots, which means they have to teach him skills and tactics, but because of his attitude, you know why.
It would be cool if Hasbro released a studio series decepticon protoform for army building like they did with KSI sentry (blue stinger with a trap head)
I liked the idea of Ironhide in a side story before his death in DOTM, away from NEST duties, keeps watch on the girl and the family for protection and a decepticon threatening them and Ironhide fights it in a fierce battle to bring peace to that family.
In astrochemistry, and astrobiology. A Transformer would be considered “silicon-based life” as they have cables, microchips, metals, etc. same for current technologies in electronics
@@kamirostorino9416 considering they're just robots at the end of the day, i dont think they have any silicon-based proteins, if that could even be a thing. These Transformers are machines, the techno-organic ones are an entire different conversation.
It was said in "Transformers Prime" by Starscream: "T-cog is not technology. It is biology" when talking about T-cog (transformation cog. organ that allowed them to transform in the show)
@@yghostest also the fact that decepticons seems to grow from smaller larvae to full zised one is another argument they are more than machines. They are machine life form.
This is by far my favourite video to date! One thing I loved about the Bayverse is that Transformers were more like techno-organic aliens than just machines. They were able to reproduce sexually and artificially which was something I loved and it would make sense considering they’ve been fighting for thousands of years, tens of millions of Cybertronians would have fled Cybertron before and during the war and have remained in hiding till the war is over, some eventually chose sides. But they were on a dying planet and had to create soldiers, so maybe cloning was a possibility as well. Absolutely loved this one!
That very last segment made me realize & cement a belief I’ve had about (TF4) Lockdown. He really is the odd man out. The only part of his body that seems to have Cybertronian markings on him is his ammo cartridges and grenades; parts of him that aren’t necessarily a part of him. The markings on his face around his scar is more akin to Sanskrit (And boy was it tricky to emulate in the cosplay I built where I first noticed this detail about him 😬) this really makes it seem like he has separated himself from his Cybertronian heritage in another way than just him being “factionless.”
I really love how transformers look like in their cybertronian mode, it makes them look more alien, I also like how Michael Bay even gave them their own language.
I also like the cybertronian language. However the having car parts on still make them look alien while the protoforms are cool they are generic all silver bots that look very similar. they should have colors and alien vehicle modes and such as they are called transformers for a reason.
14:20 about markings. Star scream also has markings on his face but when he transforms his jet form has a tattoo on its back. Think they mentioned it in a scene when they were trying to figure out which squadron the F-22 (starscream) belonged too and the solider said "How many F-22s have tattoos on it"
My theory of cybertronian life cycle: The hatchlings are built along with their energon wombs that bring them to life. After this, they hatch and need to consume energon to survive and transformium that will build into their body, making them grow larger until they reach their protoform stage. After this, they can scan an alternate form. In my opinion, the body type of the cybertronian depends on that of the hatchling. The humanoid one for example, evolves from the hatchlings we saw on screen with their legs split from being a single tail. In some cases, this does not occur, resulting in ones like Rampage and Skipjack. So I think they are both built and born, because the base of the hatchling is built, but later it will hatch, making it born. By the way, when a cybertronian talks about its parents, it talks about the ones who built it. Thank you for reading!
Maybe transformers do hatch from eggs but Lockdown could also be right, maybe he knows that before everything 1st transformers were built as someone's creations. Maybe he even met with them and got some sick upgrades which is why he was so effective and efficient as a hunter.
That is the one thing I really enjoyed about the bayverse designs (although I love Bumblebee's more) ,is the fact that they were portrayed as an actual "alien" race, rather than a human in the guise of a robot.
@@Theorymus here's a question can an artificial protoform scan a cybertronian vehicle like a cybertronian jet and have an alt mode like a born protoform?
I have a feeling that the cybertronian markings on the Autobots and Decepticons serve as dogtags. In the military, dogtags are used to identify a soldier and see their status so that no confusion can be created. This is why some of the Autobots have different markings
I have a theory on why lockdown said "you were built" remember in generation 1 Orion pax was blasted then rebuilt into Optimus prime. I know the bay vurse doesn't follow generation 1 but it's a cool thing to note
I really enjoyed the video. I always thought that Lockdown's statement was only a cold way of viewing his own species only as machines, but you're explanation actually has more sense. Nice vid bro
Well it isn’t optimus just scanned it for the bay verse design and over the years he got used to it and that’s also why he didn’t exactly copy the western stars paint job he changed his version of it from its Magnus paint job to the red and blue flame paint job
I don’t think jet fire had parents he was basically just doing old people dementia talk and saying random words and hound didn’t have parents and was just trying to make Cade feel better
for jetfire i can agree, but for hound tho, i don't think that's the case. I'd want to believe that hound was born from being a hatchling, rather than being created. Also, the "make cade feel better" statement doesn't seem to make sense, as if that's the case, hound wouldn't be saying "tho my father didn't call me".
Wait…….. so you’re telling me that this channel is fully based off of the Michael Bay Transformers movies?!? The internet never ceases to amaze me… just when I think I’ve seen it all, and then BAM. Internet is like “did you know that there’s someone out there that has completely dedicated his content creation around the Michael Bay Transformers movies?” and I’m like WTF?!?!? Now THAT is some freakin dedication. I have to commend you for that. It’s like waking up every morning and the floor throughout your whole entire house is covered in Legos and you don’t even own one pair of socks or shoes, but yet you wake up every day and you walk and walk and walk all over those legos just to create your content, so I gotta respect it.
Thanks for the kind words man unlike most people I love these movies mainly because I grew up with them since I was young, and I took that passion to help explain this mess of a franchise to others and it paid off in the long run
@@Theorymus you give them way too much credit, they didn't think of all this BS, they make character shoot;make character talk abit;make character OOF epicly, timeline? What's that, designs? Big robot, put a popular brand on that shit, more investor :0
12:42 FUN FACT; this decepticon protoform design actually resembles the ROTF soundwave's cybertronian form concept art, which has the same design, but with soundwave's head and I think more satelite kibble. You can compare the ROTF cybertronian soundwave and the DOTM decepticon protoform concept art to see. So yeah, in a way, soundwave's ROTF robot mode is unofficially revealed.
It’s been a while since I watched one of your videos, and I have to say the you massively improved the quality of your videos. I really like this theory for how the protoforms work and how they can exist along side the built transformers. Idk why but for years I had thought they couldn’t have both.
I feel like cybertronians don’t have actual parents that breed to make them but they are more like mentors or guardians who take care of a cybertronian
Thanks for coming through my steam last night! This channel is really cool and my little 2 year old really likes the graphics and stop motion videos! Good luck and congrats on your success!
You know there were some Decepticons that transformed into vehicles in the invasion in Chicago. One turned into a police car, another a garbage truck, then a pickup truck, and one we never really saw transform was a fire truck. So who were those protoforms? I'd like to theorise that the fire truck is Smolder, the pickup truck would be Breakdown, the garbage truck would be Onslaught and the police car would probably be a different version of Motorhead.
Also don’t forget the part where Transformers don’t have to specifically scan the vehicle they want to be, only it’s structure. The paint job of their alt mode is completely their choice. Like in AOE where Optimus scans a regular white truck in his evasion mode and becomes the fancy truck we know from AOE and TLK today
8:16 In Tales of the Fallen #6, it’s shown that Chromia and Elita-1 were created when the Decepticon Flatline split Arcee’s spark into three pieces as part of an experiment. Adding onto that, the twins were also part of that experiment.
I feel that the cybertronian markings are ways to identify transfomers when outside DS forms. Such as the various protoforms we see through out the movies, a way that they can distinguish each other when they all look alike, an automatic precognitive function like a sub-conscience. So when they see one another, their "sub-conscience" scans these markings automatically, allowing them to know who is who. Of course, the main transformers having their unique looks, so of course they'd recognize one another.
I actually like their protoforms in the Bay films more than what they change into after coming to Earth. It reminds me of how in the classic Transformers history pretty much half of everybody has the exact same body type with only a few differences to make them stand out, but just barely sometimes
I watch all 5 movies atleast once a year and I get obsessed and come to your channel and it's cool to see this hard work. Keep it up man I love your work and I'm your biggest fan bro.
I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, although Optimus was built, he was actually born, him being Orión.Packs before him being a prime, he became a prime by attempting to save cybertron and cure its sickness by going to the core, he earned the role prime so technically on the prime part of optimus was built,
Its mentioned in TF 2007 that Starscream has quite visible cybertronion markings on large portions of his Jet mode but im not sure where they would be in robot mode. My guess is that most of them would be hidden inside his body. This would also explain the random placements of these markings on other cybertronions as the markings are probably meant to orient properly in vehicle mode and the areas on their robot modes where the markings are visible probably form part of their body in vehicle mode
u my friend is one amazing in-depth TF youtuber ! this is my second video i’ve watched. NEVER thought my childhood saga was this deep ! “hugger”??? didn’t even knew he had a name ! lol keep up the great content. gonna watch meny more !
I know you’ve heard that you should be the director of these movies, but I think you should be the script writer. That way you can make the script and what happens better then they would have.
this pretty much clears up the confusion about bayverse. ppl just need to watch your videos. and this would indicate bay wasn't just reusing old models but actually using lore. this man really put his heart into this franchise.
Something I would note about Born Vs Built: The logic of some being "built" and then being given life by the all spark makes sense. The " Hatchlings" imply that this might be the " natural" form of reproduction. However in regards to Optimus: In ROTF the "spirits" of the original primes say he is " their last descendant" In TLK Quintessa is called a " deceiver" by the Knights intent on executing Optimus and Optimus clearly does not remember being " built". Personally I would go with Quintessa feeding both Optimus and lockdown a line of bull even though largely it was a lack of putting forethought by the writers into maintaining any continuity.
You have answered a very big question in the life of the live action transformers universe, the difference between protoforms and Cybertronian developed structure. I always thought protoform was general for all Cybertronians whether their bodies have developed or stayed skeletal until they took an earth form and I mean an earth form only. But your facts truly make sense that this should never be a theory to begin with.>>>>
Transformers Ravage of the Fallen Epps: "We Shed Blood sweat and precious Metal together." Optimus: "Thank you for having my back." Epps in the Desert: He's got alien tattoos all over that ain't friendly." The Autobots: "We all have alien Tattoos."
A jetfire….. even if people don’t look his grandpa design, he was the best character from Transformers 2. My favorite quote: « my father, he was a wheel, the FIRST wheel. Do you know what did he transformed into ? NOTHING ! »
There's a good chance you probably already know this by now, but referring to the part at 8:14, the forms the Arcee Sisters & the Twins had in rotf are indeed built. Decepticon Experiments to be exact. It's explained in the movie comic Tales of the Fallen: Arcee, but basically Arcee was abducted & her spark was transferred to new protoforms that become her tripartite form in RotF. the twins were meant to be reprogrammed (& maybe modified) into loyal decepticons, but Flatline screwed up, which is why the twins are....the twins... (Scorponok though I believe was just part of cybertrons fauna like the Driller if I remember correctly, not sure.)
I always knew the 2007 'Bots being protoforms was just so the film-makers didn't need to make/modify models to represent their Cybertronian robot forms (most TF shows either just slightly modify or straight-up use the Earth modes, irritatingly but understandably). But your explanation that they need to shed their parts down to a protoform to enter meteor mode is pretty cool and really ties that up.
I believe the hatchlings gaining a green and white color is basically a weird rank that shows who is an alpha or beta, that's kinda like my theory of being different skill level
I really love how you took this concept that none of us really thought about and made it much more interesting then it is there was so many moments in this video that I said in my mind my god that makes so much sense i just love your work!
I'm amazed about this channel actually makes the bay verse make sense granted I still don't like the movies but it's good that this guy can come up with these nice theories and conclusions to tie everything together keep up the good work 👌🏾
I love this channel so much, you make the Bayverse actually make sense, and make it more than just explosions and robots killing each other! Keep up the good work, man!!!
Thx my man
@@Theorymus My sister just graduated last week
@@Theorymus thank you for making real my idea!!!!!
@@Theorymus Np!!!
@@Theorymus well atleast a you improved that stupid idiotic robot voice sorry but I hate this just use your normal voice
Also, I like jetfires line "do you know what he transformed into? NOTHING!!!"
But he did so with honor dignity damn it
Like an old person complaining about new technologies like phones and computers jetfire is like a grandpa complaining about how things were in his day
The FIRST wheel!
bro litterally transform into thin air
@@qwermlrolkcm955 like my father
12:13 the fallens damaged face could be the primes protoform body design.
I am theorizing that the primes had attached some kind of armour to themselves as a means to show rank or just clothing thus each having unique designs.
Yoo !! This actually makes a lot of sense !! God i wish they talked about this in a scene in ROTF .
@@kingmin9491 thx 😁
yea but it is a bit damage there was a thing I watched that the fallen's face was supposed to look like the Decepticon symbol thing but due to the writer strike they didn't have enough time to create the Fallen's face so they had to stick with what they had
Well he is wearing a crown for starters, like an Egyptian one making his face look looong
I had to make sure my drip was fire or more fire then the other primes at least
Protoforms were such an interesting idea for Transformers, the 2007 movie really wanted to make Cybertronians much more “alien” in design and I really love it.
You can still make them alien by have cybertronian vehicles and animal/beast modes and distinct colors . The way the alt mode parts make up their bodies looks alien and just have them with more alien proportions and keep the more alien faces.
Yeah I thought protoforms looked cool, but I could understand why some people didn’t like it.
Even Transformers WFC AND Transformers FOC had protoforms!
The movie didn’t invent protoforms. They were introduced way back in Beast Wars
I really like the Bayformers twist on Cybertronians, since they seem more "techno-organic" than the aligned continuity and the IDW continuity. It'll also make sense as to why parental figures are mentioned in the films, even If they don't reproduce. When a new sparkling Is hatched, they could have been adopted by an older transformer who raises them and takes care of them. Of course they wouldn't be "fathers," but because they're speaking English they're just using the best next thing.
Makes sense
And not just that but teach them some strategy skills, Best weapon or best fighting style.
Jetfire had mother and father I say the hatchling pods are cloned from females. I say they might reproduce sexually as wheelie might suggest the transformers also get the concept of mating it is not foreign to them. Remember they lived in dying world hatchlings was used for military purposes. Many civilian transformers would have died not all would have been soldiers the fact that there is an infantile stage and they are totally helpless and the fact female Transformer exist we forget they are DNA based organisms.
That was low key confirm in Aoe when Optimus said "i went through that with bumblebee" suggesting that he raised him at some point explaining his loyalty to prime.
@@cyberproductions3736 i don't believe that, i want to assume that bumblebee was pretty much a novice, or basically the last member to join the autobots, which means they have to teach him skills and tactics, but because of his attitude, you know why.
I always loved the protoforms. Such a pity there was never any high quality figures of them.
@Stix N' Stones sadness
It would be cool if Hasbro released a studio series decepticon protoform for army building like they did with KSI sentry (blue stinger with a trap head)
Ya
Rest in pieces protoform starscream
@@JoseGarcia-sy3qhMake a multipack for army building
"Ironhide landing in a pool then being asked if he was the toothfairy" I love that scene
Ooooohh so that was ironhide
That was optimus as Ironhide crashed in the roof top of a car dealership.
Ironhide must have been confused
I liked the idea of Ironhide in a side story before his death in DOTM, away from NEST duties, keeps watch on the girl and the family for protection and a decepticon threatening them and Ironhide fights it in a fierce battle to bring peace to that family.
Ironhide: "Bitch do I look like a tooth fairy to you, punk?"
Huge respect for you man, you’re here analysing the movies instead of criticising. Literally gave me a brand new perspective of the movies.
Thx man
In astrochemistry, and astrobiology. A Transformer would be considered “silicon-based life” as they have cables, microchips, metals, etc. same for current technologies in electronics
which is intersting as Silicon based proteins are less stable than carbon based. They are more stable in extreme conditions tho.
@@kamirostorino9416 considering they're just robots at the end of the day, i dont think they have any silicon-based proteins, if that could even be a thing. These Transformers are machines, the techno-organic ones are an entire different conversation.
It was said in "Transformers Prime" by Starscream: "T-cog is not technology. It is biology" when talking about T-cog (transformation cog. organ that allowed them to transform in the show)
@@yghostest also the fact that decepticons seems to grow from smaller larvae to full zised one is another argument they are more than machines. They are machine life form.
They do have a DNA equivalent in Prime (named CNA), so they're definitely not just robots
That little fact at the end about Cybertronian markings was super interesting and definitely something I’m going to keep my eye out for from now on
Nice
@@Theorymus is there any way you could translate the markings?
This is by far my favourite video to date!
One thing I loved about the Bayverse is that Transformers were more like techno-organic aliens than just machines. They were able to reproduce sexually and artificially which was something I loved and it would make sense considering they’ve been fighting for thousands of years, tens of millions of Cybertronians would have fled Cybertron before and during the war and have remained in hiding till the war is over, some eventually chose sides. But they were on a dying planet and had to create soldiers, so maybe cloning was a possibility as well. Absolutely loved this one!
Thx man 👍
There is nothing to suggest they're technoorganic
That very last segment made me realize & cement a belief I’ve had about (TF4) Lockdown. He really is the odd man out. The only part of his body that seems to have Cybertronian markings on him is his ammo cartridges and grenades; parts of him that aren’t necessarily a part of him. The markings on his face around his scar is more akin to Sanskrit (And boy was it tricky to emulate in the cosplay I built where I first noticed this detail about him 😬) this really makes it seem like he has separated himself from his Cybertronian heritage in another way than just him being “factionless.”
I really love how transformers look like in their cybertronian mode, it makes them look more alien, I also like how Michael Bay even gave them their own language.
I also like the cybertronian language. However the having car parts on still make them look alien while the protoforms are cool they are generic all silver bots that look very similar. they should have colors and alien vehicle modes and such as they are called transformers for a reason.
@@greendecepticon6148 Yeah true
Hound’s father bulkhead
Jetfire’s father skyfire
lol
Bumblebees father canopy
@@Rangclan nah
I think hound and bulkhead might be brothers, kup could be their dad
HAHAHAH
I always figured that Quintessa was using psychological torture against Optimus Prime and Lockdown was preparing Optimus Prime for Quintessa
14:20 about markings.
Star scream also has markings on his face but when he transforms his jet form has a tattoo on its back. Think they mentioned it in a scene when they were trying to figure out which squadron the F-22 (starscream) belonged too and the solider said "How many F-22s have tattoos on it"
The whole cyberglyphics thing on all Transformers is possibly the #1 most consistent thing Michael Bay has ever done in his life.
My theory of cybertronian life cycle:
The hatchlings are built along with their energon wombs that bring them to life. After this, they hatch and need to consume energon to survive and transformium that will build into their body, making them grow larger until they reach their protoform stage. After this, they can scan an alternate form. In my opinion, the body type of the cybertronian depends on that of the hatchling. The humanoid one for example, evolves from the hatchlings we saw on screen with their legs split from being a single tail. In some cases, this does not occur, resulting in ones like Rampage and Skipjack.
So I think they are both built and born, because the base of the hatchling is built, but later it will hatch, making it born. By the way, when a cybertronian talks about its parents, it talks about the ones who built it.
Thank you for reading!
thanks man... interesting theory....and makes sense.
ill take this theory as my bay verse head cannon
Jetfire,'s mother issues and non transforming wheel dad will always be funny to me
I really wish studio series would make a protoform figure
Agreed!
That be so dope if they did.
there is an Optimus one
But that would destroy the whole purpose of transforming
Yes
Maybe transformers do hatch from eggs but Lockdown could also be right, maybe he knows that before everything 1st transformers were built as someone's creations. Maybe he even met with them and got some sick upgrades which is why he was so effective and efficient as a hunter.
That is the one thing I really enjoyed about the bayverse designs (although I love Bumblebee's more) ,is the fact that they were portrayed as an actual "alien" race, rather than a human in the guise of a robot.
All of your videos make so much sense. And even when you have little evidence/proof, you back up your theories really well.
Thx man
Keep the theories going, Trans! I love every video you post!
Thx man
The amount of research and preparation that must’ve gone into this video is insane. Earned a sub from me
Thx man
This clears a lot of my questions about protoforms
Happy to help
@@Theorymus here's a question can an artificial protoform scan a cybertronian vehicle like a cybertronian jet and have an alt mode like a born protoform?
Maybe
@@Theorymus are there any natural beast modes
I have a feeling that the cybertronian markings on the Autobots and Decepticons serve as dogtags. In the military, dogtags are used to identify a soldier and see their status so that no confusion can be created. This is why some of the Autobots have different markings
I like that comparison
I have a theory on why lockdown said "you were built" remember in generation 1 Orion pax was blasted then rebuilt into Optimus prime. I know the bay vurse doesn't follow generation 1 but it's a cool thing to note
I really enjoyed the video. I always thought that Lockdown's statement was only a cold way of viewing his own species only as machines, but you're explanation actually has more sense.
Nice vid bro
Thanks man I really appreciate it
I’d love to be jetfires dad, being the first ever wheel sound slit
But he did say that he transform into nothing but nothing is more powerful than a god
These Transformers channels are getting so much better. Fire Bros, Trans Theories, you name it. I think it’s the narration that’s improving
8:13 I love how I came to watch a video about protoforms, but then I realize I never saw Jazz lift his mask
I deeply, DEEPLY respect that you try to explain this. Even among the millions of continuity errors and laziness
Thanks my man that's my job
Fun fact about Optimus Prime getting a peterbilt: That truck that prime scanned was already prime and the one that scanned the truck was nemesis prime
Lol, this could mess the heck out of the whole story line😂😂
@@Im_DJ lol yeah,i had that weird tough before
@@BenedictF79B gotta love how quintessa turns optimus to nemesis with just a freakin slap.😂😂
Well it isn’t optimus just scanned it for the bay verse design and over the years he got used to it and that’s also why he didn’t exactly copy the western stars paint job he changed his version of it from its Magnus paint job to the red and blue flame paint job
@@Im_DJ He got bitch slapped from his mama😂😂😂
I don’t think jet fire had parents he was basically just doing old people dementia talk and saying random words and hound didn’t have parents and was just trying to make Cade feel better
for jetfire i can agree, but for hound tho, i don't think that's the case. I'd want to believe that hound was born from being a hatchling, rather than being created. Also, the "make cade feel better" statement doesn't seem to make sense, as if that's the case, hound wouldn't be saying "tho my father didn't call me".
Maybe transformer "parents" are just the 2 transformers who decided to make a transformer together sort of like artificial incimination
@PurpleOwlAnimation that's a contradiction. If he is trying to cheer cade up he wouldn't say how bad his father was.
You add some sense and structure to a lot of plot holes/things that just didn't make sense in the films. Nice job!!
Wait…….. so you’re telling me that this channel is fully based off of the Michael Bay Transformers movies?!?
The internet never ceases to amaze me… just when I think I’ve seen it all, and then BAM. Internet is like “did you know that there’s someone out there that has completely dedicated his content creation around the Michael Bay Transformers movies?” and I’m like WTF?!?!? Now THAT is some freakin dedication. I have to commend you for that. It’s like waking up every morning and the floor throughout your whole entire house is covered in Legos and you don’t even own one pair of socks or shoes, but yet you wake up every day and you walk and walk and walk all over those legos just to create your content, so I gotta respect it.
Thanks for the kind words man unlike most people I love these movies mainly because I grew up with them since I was young, and I took that passion to help explain this mess of a franchise to others and it paid off in the long run
@@Theorymus same! I loved every single movie i watched every single one and read one of the comics
When the Bayverse needs a YT channel for it to actually make sense.
Lol
@@Theorymus you give them way too much credit, they didn't think of all this BS, they make character shoot;make character talk abit;make character OOF epicly, timeline? What's that, designs? Big robot, put a popular brand on that shit, more investor :0
12:42 FUN FACT; this decepticon protoform design actually resembles the ROTF soundwave's cybertronian form concept art, which has the same design, but with soundwave's head and I think more satelite kibble.
You can compare the ROTF cybertronian soundwave and the DOTM decepticon protoform concept art to see. So yeah, in a way, soundwave's ROTF robot mode is unofficially revealed.
Questions: “What happen if “Sector 7” didn’t get Terminated? What would they do in the later films?
That would be a very interesting storyline oh, they would likely get into the same position Nest was
@@Theorymus most likely
@@Theorymus this video reminds me of a dream that I had once was about a female cybertronian and a male human breading a human cybertronian hybrid
@@Indo-Fury6521 based
@@Indo-Fury6521 my brother in christ, GET OFF RULE 34 YOU BLOODY WANKER!!!
It’s been a while since I watched one of your videos, and I have to say the you massively improved the quality of your videos. I really like this theory for how the protoforms work and how they can exist along side the built transformers. Idk why but for years I had thought they couldn’t have both.
Happy to help man 😎👍
gotta love trans theories the best youtuber that breaks down transformers
Heck yea
I feel like cybertronians don’t have actual parents that breed to make them but they are more like mentors or guardians who take care of a cybertronian
Thanks for coming through my steam last night! This channel is really cool and my little 2 year old really likes the graphics and stop motion videos! Good luck and congrats on your success!
Thx man I appreciate it 👍
7:28 Personally I wouldn't call them Big Hatchets, but rather a unique set of war beasts, either Dreadnaughts, or maybe Goliaths
Dreadnaughts, because they're just big Dreads
You know there were some Decepticons that transformed into vehicles in the invasion in Chicago. One turned into a police car, another a garbage truck, then a pickup truck, and one we never really saw transform was a fire truck. So who were those protoforms? I'd like to theorise that the fire truck is Smolder, the pickup truck would be Breakdown, the garbage truck would be Onslaught and the police car would probably be a different version of Motorhead.
Ok I dunno why but “welcome back auto bots decepticons and everything in between will never *ever* get old,
This guy deserves WAYYYYYY More than what he has he deserves like 3 million
Thx
Also don’t forget the part where Transformers don’t have to specifically scan the vehicle they want to be, only it’s structure. The paint job of their alt mode is completely their choice. Like in AOE where Optimus scans a regular white truck in his evasion mode and becomes the fancy truck we know from AOE and TLK today
"My father was a wheel! The first Wheel! Do you know who transformed into? Nothing!" 1:58
8:16 In Tales of the Fallen #6, it’s shown that Chromia and Elita-1 were created when the Decepticon Flatline split Arcee’s spark into three pieces as part of an experiment. Adding onto that, the twins were also part of that experiment.
But the comics aren't canon due to AoE and TLK
@@davidbrown8694that doesn’t mean that what happens in them doesn’t also happen in Bayverse tho
@@frogqueen1587IT'S CLEARLY NOT CANON
So there a two types of Transformers
*The Built and The Born*
Everything is clear now thanks boi
I am a Built
I feel that the cybertronian markings are ways to identify transfomers when outside DS forms. Such as the various protoforms we see through out the movies, a way that they can distinguish each other when they all look alike, an automatic precognitive function like a sub-conscience. So when they see one another, their "sub-conscience" scans these markings automatically, allowing them to know who is who. Of course, the main transformers having their unique looks, so of course they'd recognize one another.
Protoform + idel skin + autobot or decepticon = cybertonian
Fun fact: there was an deleted sence of shockwave and dino having a battle but it was scrapped and was turned into prime vs shockwave
Fun fact:Michael Bay is the worst movie writer ever and he looks like Hitler
I want DEVCON to be part of the studio series.
I actually like their protoforms in the Bay films more than what they change into after coming to Earth. It reminds me of how in the classic Transformers history pretty much half of everybody has the exact same body type with only a few differences to make them stand out, but just barely sometimes
This protoform explanation was so good I could feel it coming inside of me
8:50 never tought about the wheel being a minicon and the cadillac being a 'regular' transformer.... Thats interesting.
I watch all 5 movies atleast once a year and I get obsessed and come to your channel and it's cool to see this hard work. Keep it up man I love your work and I'm your biggest fan bro.
Thx man
@@Theorymus np man
I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, although Optimus was built, he was actually born, him being Orión.Packs before him being a prime, he became a prime by attempting to save cybertron and cure its sickness by going to the core, he earned the role prime so technically on the prime part of optimus was built,
This version is different
Its mentioned in TF 2007 that Starscream has quite visible cybertronion markings on large portions of his Jet mode but im not sure where they would be in robot mode. My guess is that most of them would be hidden inside his body. This would also explain the random placements of these markings on other cybertronions as the markings are probably meant to orient properly in vehicle mode and the areas on their robot modes where the markings are visible probably form part of their body in vehicle mode
I learn many things about transformers everyday by just watching you
It helps a lot :D since I just got back to the franchise
Awesome 👍
u my friend is one amazing in-depth TF youtuber ! this is my second video i’ve watched. NEVER thought my childhood saga was this deep ! “hugger”??? didn’t even knew he had a name ! lol keep up the great content. gonna watch meny more !
Thanks my man I really appreciate it
I know you’ve heard that you should be the director of these movies, but I think you should be the script writer. That way you can make the script and what happens better then they would have.
this pretty much clears up the confusion about bayverse. ppl just need to watch your videos. and this would indicate bay wasn't just reusing old models but actually using lore. this man really put his heart into this franchise.
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Here’s a question: In the first movie, what does Megatron keep saying to himself?
Seriously, I can’t understand him and subtitles do t help either
He was probably speaking cybertronian
Then he needs to catch up with the times and connect to the “World Wide Web” 😂
At which part of the movie?
Apparently Hugo Weaving (Megatrons voice actor) just made up a bunch of different sounds and ramblings whenever Megatron spoke cybertronian.
@@jonathandunn7853 he's using the dark wide web 😂
6:06 Guess you can say Optimus was...built different. *Claps and wheezes*
If Chroma, Arcee, and Elita-One were bulit, that probably means that transformers can choose their gender.
Today's the first time I saw your channel. I was a Transformers fan since I was little, from G1 to Bayformers. Thank you.
Happy to help
Something I would note about Born Vs Built:
The logic of some being "built" and then being given life by the all spark makes sense. The " Hatchlings" imply that this might be the " natural" form of reproduction.
However in regards to Optimus:
In ROTF the "spirits" of the original primes say he is " their last descendant"
In TLK Quintessa is called a " deceiver" by the Knights intent on executing Optimus and Optimus clearly does not remember being " built".
Personally I would go with Quintessa feeding both Optimus and lockdown a line of bull even though largely it was a lack of putting forethought by the writers into maintaining any continuity.
You have answered a very big question in the life of the live action transformers universe, the difference between protoforms and Cybertronian developed structure. I always thought protoform was general for all Cybertronians whether their bodies have developed or stayed skeletal until they took an earth form and I mean an earth form only. But your facts truly make sense that this should never be a theory to begin with.>>>>
Transformers Ravage of the Fallen
Epps: "We Shed Blood sweat and precious Metal together."
Optimus: "Thank you for having my back."
Epps in the Desert: He's got alien tattoos all over that ain't friendly."
The Autobots: "We all have alien Tattoos."
Lol
Its Very Fascinating to see the Transformers Life cycles :)
Question that I want to know:
Is Optimus helping out the British in the paintings?
The original painting depicts the redcoats fighting in waterloo
I believe that to be the bay verse form of ultra magnus
You help me learn a lot of transfomers
Thanks
This is the best thing the bayverse got amazingly right since I find it weird that some tf media has them with pre colors
Y E S I WAS WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO(and i your voice changed you have more energy in your voice:D)
Optimus was born, because one of his '07 toys shows his Cybertronian form with a Cybertronian vehicle form. (Same applies to starscream)
A jetfire….. even if people don’t look his grandpa design, he was the best character from Transformers 2. My favorite quote: « my father, he was a wheel, the FIRST wheel. Do you know what did he transformed into ? NOTHING ! »
Ive been waiting for this for months
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There's a good chance you probably already know this by now, but referring to the part at 8:14, the forms the Arcee Sisters & the Twins had in rotf are indeed built. Decepticon Experiments to be exact.
It's explained in the movie comic Tales of the Fallen: Arcee, but basically Arcee was abducted & her spark was transferred to new protoforms that become her tripartite form in RotF.
the twins were meant to be reprogrammed (& maybe modified) into loyal decepticons, but Flatline screwed up, which is why the twins are....the twins...
(Scorponok though I believe was just part of cybertrons fauna like the Driller if I remember correctly, not sure.)
Yaaayy this is what I asked for! Thx dude!
Anytime
Every time I watch videos like this it feels like I’m getting smarter.
Bingo
I always knew the 2007 'Bots being protoforms was just so the film-makers didn't need to make/modify models to represent their Cybertronian robot forms (most TF shows either just slightly modify or straight-up use the Earth modes, irritatingly but understandably). But your explanation that they need to shed their parts down to a protoform to enter meteor mode is pretty cool and really ties that up.
I got one question how did all those proto forms in dark of the Moon get on the moon
They followed the ark
@@Theorymus oh okay thanks
@@Theorymus make sense why they in there
@@Theorymus mini theory
This video i have been waiting for
11:05 He looks like a gundam put through a paper shredder.
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I like it how the ones you play as the protoforms that can be evil or good if Star scream or Prime touches the pod in those DS games.
Do a "What if the Transformers weren't hunted down?"
GOOD IDEA I AGREE
Up up up
10:36 I never thought I would ever hear that
Nice point actually!
So that's why some of the decepticon protoforms are on all fours, I was wondering that for ages
Happy to help
Never actually thought there were Cybertronian markings on Hot Rods fingers and Hound's guns. Damn those attention to detail is amazing
Bingo
This is pretty interesting. I like the detail of all of them having cybertron markings on them, that’s a nice detail I’ve never noticed until now.
I’ve been waiting for this video for a long time and it finally came out keep up the good work transtheories
Thx
I was excited for this i always still do love the concept of the protoforms and hope we get a proper figure from studio series or third party.
Genius as always. So proud of you ❤️
Thx
I believe the hatchlings gaining a green and white color is basically a weird rank that shows who is an alpha or beta, that's kinda like my theory of being different skill level
Baby Onslaught WTF??!!!!
It reminds me of the soldiers of the Cybertronian Empire from the Generation 2 Transformers comics where most of them were green and white.
I really love how you took this concept that none of us really thought about and made it much more interesting then it is there was so many moments in this video that I said in my mind my god that makes so much sense i just love your work!
Thx man, I appreciate it 👍
I’ve always thought of the cybertronian markings as some kind of tattoo they get or a birthmark
I'm amazed about this channel actually makes the bay verse make sense granted I still don't like the movies but it's good that this guy can come up with these nice theories and conclusions to tie everything together keep up the good work 👌🏾
Thx man I appreciate it 👍
@@Theorymus no prob