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- Bajiquan is a Chinese martial art that features explosive, short-range power and is famous for its elbow and shoulder strikes. Here, I explain Kirei's use of the style during Fate/Zero.
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*breaks tree with bare hands*
Iri: oH OK.
As far as I know, Kirei was so stupid strong thanks to the sacraments in his clothes. Sacraments woven into the uniforms of executors that make them strong enough to hunt the supernatural and act as armor.
But he's still strong without those. In HF, according to the wiki, he ran at 60km/h Through a forest! while carrying illya without his sacraments.
So he could range at around 2-3 times a peak human.
My guess is nasu humans, while still inferior compared to how humanity was during the age of the gods, can still train to go beyond normal limits without magecraft. Maybe even suzuki was like this, since he was some super assassin, making caster's reinforcement more effective.
Did we forget reinforcement? Kirei has magic circuits and the church uses some type of alternate magic.
@@seankrkovich2869 he uses reinforcement on a weaker level than shirous due to his magic circuits being funky
Kirei trains beyond the extent normal humans do cuz of his mindset
@@dragonballoblivion8273 sadge innate sociopathy we always ask sseth when latin crab is cured but never psychology eg albert einstein kid in genius tv series natgeo iirc
Ah Kirei one of my favorite antagonists in anime ever.
isn't he just a psychopath raised by a religion that contradicts his nature ?!?!?
To be honest, Gilgamesh is the only reason his that interesting to begin with, unless you can prove me wrong.
@@namonaite It's honestly because he is an asshole and a smug person.
Corrupted Cyborg I don’t think I can prove you wrong, but the reason I really enjoy him is that for so long he didn’t want to be like that he wanted to change so badly all his life, he new what he was enjoying was wrong, he was about to kill himself because he came to the conclusion that some like him shouldn’t exist, and no matter how hard he tried to change he couldn’t do it, in the end he learned that it doesn’t matter and he should just except himself, the other reason why I like him is that he trys really hard to change and he knows it’s wrong, unlike other characters in other anime’s where they just accept it right there he try’s to change that’s why I like him
@@namonaite Honestly a good contradiction to the core beliefs of a character is already a step above the usual characters you'll see in anime, that alone is enough to make them interesting, a good hook that keeps your eyes on them.
He makes for a good foil when compared to Shirou Emiya, and his sheer determination to stay true to what he believes in, which goes in ways far beyond just talking about it and actually doing it, is phenomenal.
You don't often see characters going so far for the sake of a dream is great, especially when they turn out to be evil.
When the series started I essentially had the same thoughts as Kiritsugu, someone considered a professional MURDERER at the young age of 10, and has no real passion at all, is already a can of worms full of questions on my end.
Not knowing the true nature of someone as monstrous as Kirei kotomine is rattling.
Him and Mahito
When you're a psychotic nihilist, nut also gifted with the hands
Best typo ever ^
@cockney gyal right wing?
God is the way
@@MajorLawliet so basically Mother Teresa with hands
He's not a Nihilist, he's a Hedonistic Sadist.
Oh we must just wait for the final HF movie to see best girl Kirei shine.
Oh boy he went out with a bang
Yorokobe Shounen/jo
Kirei literally bumps
he shined but didn't use bajiquan
@@geronimo4296 He did used Tetsuzanko or that Bajiquan shoulder bash against Assassin when in the old church fight before "purging" Zouken.
I've seen so many characters outside of fate use this style. Miyako Arima (Melty Blood), Akira Yuki (Virtua Fighter), Leo (Tekken), and one girl from Dead Or Alive who's name escapes me. Either way, out of all styles, this one is the most entertaining to watch, and the most satisfying to play as in action. So glad I got into Type Moon because users in that verse may be my favorite users of the style.
kokoro is the name you're forgetting. Also fun fact, Leo from tekken uses the exact same moves shown at 5:10 and 6:37
Miyako learned it from a panda... I'm guessing kirie met this panda too.
@@maosama3695 Kung fu panda lol
@@herack5928
Thanks for the name.
@@ArcueidBrunestudTypeVampire no I'm not kidding. Miyako's master is a deep voice panda. He even show up in carnival phantasm. And he's in the ending credits too.
The best user of Bajiquan is Li Shuwen, whom in Fate lore, real life history, and in my own opinion, is one of the deadliest martial artists to ever exist. Literally the original One Punch Man.
IMO his student Liu Yun Qiao eventually became better and advanced Bajiquan beyond what Li Shu Wen intended. But both were unstoppable fighters lmao
Speaking as an actual student of the martial art and lineage being discussed, Li Shu-Wen was probably better at Baji-Quan, Liü Yun-Qiao however went on to study many more styles creating a curriculum that made for more well rounded students.
I'm more impressed with the humans fighting than the servants and more so when humans fight or humans fight servants in fate. Kirie shirou Kerry and soichirou are so great in thier fights and styles especially if they can outclass a servant if even for a moment
**shows scene where Rin physically beats ups Medea**
@@YukitoOnline Medea is Caster and is not a melee expert, the appropriate would be Souichirou choking choking Saber, the strongest servant of the Fifth GW
@@outis7080
**shows scene where Shirou beats Gil-kun**
**shows scene where Shirou kills Herc with Nine Lives Blade Works**
@@outis7080
**shows scene where Soujuurou Shizuki beats up Lugh Beowulf**
Oh wait!! Wrong Nasuverse game!
Let's not forget, Soichirou once turned Saber into a punching bag
We should see Kirei use his hands in the last Heavens Feel movie, I cannot wait for that fight it was hype in the VN.
He did use Bajiquan in HF3 movie. The Tetsuzanko AKA that Bajiquan shoulder bash against Assassin when in the old church fight before "purging" Zouken.
The “No flocking” instrumentalist just perfect for this video dead ass🤣😂🤣
I was just explaining to my friend how crazy strong he is
He's strong but not suichiro level. Kirie struggled to kill Hassan while suichiro was bitch slapping arturia.
@@maosama3695 Like all things Fate it boils down to compatibility, Kirei in his prime (not like he was against Assassin wich makes it even more impressive) is stronger in raw strenght, but Kuzuki can kill him easily if he does it in the first strike like he killed Medusa, but against expert combatants Kuzuki's style loses its efectivity after the first time, Saber is a good example of his lethality because he wasn't even trying to kill her, but also is a good example of what happens if the enemy survives the first encounter as Kuzuki himself tells Caster to retreat because it is not gonna work again, not like he can't hold his own against strong opponents but he ceases to be a one hit kill
but somehow heard he didn't gotten any stronger as he aged. :d
@@HayashiShirou He got weaker exactly because he got older and didn't train as much, and Yet he still was superhuman
@@maosama3695 You realize Caster Medea massively boosted his strength to the point that he could potentially kill Servants right.
I'm all kinds of down for martial arts history and breakdowns of fate and other media's characters from you.
Your explanation style makes a lot of sense and is pretty entertaining.
Its also impressive for irisviel and maiya to be able to handle kirie for so long seeing zero again and actually surviving a fight with a machine with a powerful style.
IRON-WILLED TRAINING
Kirrisugu!!! The pain i feel is greater than yours!
Li style aka "Wutan" style Baji is such a beautifully brutal branch of Baji. It's such a shame that the Fate series hasn't shown more fight scenes that showcase Kirei using Baji.
I didn't think I would have enjoyed this video as much as I did. I would love to hear about the other fighting styles we see like soichirou rin luvia and bazzet or any non weapon type of style as those are my favorite as I did some martial arts a few years back
Let’s see, Rin was trained by Kirei so she uses the same bajiquan with a little more emphasis on magecraft enhancements. From what I’ve seen of Luvia in UBW, her ground shattering suplex suggests that she prefers some form of wrestling, possibly with history and ties close to her home country of Finland. Souichirou is a former assassin whose style is focused on being deceptive and hard to predict when seen for the first time. I don’t remember much about Bazett except that her gloves and shoes glowed and that she had a bolas and a spear like mystic code in her arsenal.
@@justanunluckyirishmaninabl5178 I forgot where. But luvia van become a pro wrestler in one timeline. Rin gots great moves when fighting against caster and luvia so I'm sure given enough time like nasu said. She would easily beat many magus as she is still pretty young. But luvia I'm sure is more physical than her with grapples. Kirie I wish we sae more with his fists than his keys as he is pretty strong.
Soichiou in ubw was great with deception able to kill medusa and outmatch saber for an instant. Besides that the only other fisy fight we got was Achilles and chiffon and Li shwuen in extra.
Which one was called 'Lady Forklift' again?
@@MajorLawliet I'm surprised we don't see more martial arts as those are some of the best parts in the series same with master vs master fights. Rin same with kazuki managed to outclass a servant with modern styles lile how Kerry uses technology in zero which is pretty interesting between the old and modern styles.
Rin was said to be able to the strongest in magus given enough time bur luvia is more physical which I hooe we see more of in el mellioi as ubw only had one fight but it was super cool.
Hf part 2 cut down tons of kirie and illya scenes so I hope we can at least see the last scenes properly as the adaptation has a lot of ups and downs as hf is a mixed rushed story so I hope the movie at least finishes strong with some kirie action.
I think bazzet also had a np level move as well from an artifact to help her do more damage. I always find myself more interesting in master powers instead of servant second time around seeing the series.
@@MajorLawliet its still funny how servants can automatically adjust to current times but some families shame the more modern magus or call the more advanced heretic. Its really interesting in each case even in zero where they have either old school magus or inexperience ones or a mix to the two and even modern ones second time around.
Luvia I do hope the el mellio anime does her justice as she is a super fun character behind rin for me. Espeiclaly when they interact. That epilogue of ubw I wish was longer or a spin off as clock tower is super interesting but never directly explored during the main story.
Heaven feel being the longest makes sense being a mix of the mirror story of sakura and illya while fate and ubw are parralel. I always wonder how the story of ilya would go as nasu joked about kalied being her route and I think a four way with her and the maids with shirou. Also I think it would have happens around shirou choosing to be Sakura hero but instead be illyas. I see the miyu snd shirou story as very similar to what the ilya route could have been with a lot taken out snd more on the siblings love like hollow.
But cutting major character moments is never good. Ilya and kirie are major in later parts and I hate sacrificing character for one other one.
Bazzet I meant to say having a power to the level of a np like some magus powers or shirou using ubw even as a master with rins crest. I'm glad that aspect of the story is gonna get more explored in el mellioi case files as masters powers I liked more while servants are great masters are more interesting to see each style.
I am a simple man is see a Tsiah iv video, I click.
Question, is Kirei reinforcing himself to have that strength, or is it his own physical strength?
@A Friendly Hobo
His clothes have reinforced Kevlar.
@A Friendly Hobo His robes are enchanted AND are reinforced by Kevlar.His own strength IS monstrous even without command seals.
He does reinforce himself with magecraft, but he's still pretty strong unenhanced, He can run at about 31 MPH, which is a tad faster than Usain bolt unenhanced, and mind you that was in Heaven's Feel. Way outta his prime. He was faster in Zero. He could well be reaching speeds from 60-80 mph if we assume he only doubles his strength depending on whether it's Fate or Zero
@@MajorLawliet Κirei wasnt a magus before joining Tokiomi so that applies as well, and Strange Fake clearly state that Risei was pretty powerful.
The only times we saw him use magic for his attacks are against a single shot from Kiritsugu.And that was from a CS.
Ofc he can use reinforcement.But we never see him do it.
The current Grandmaster is Miyako, considering she can use Li Shuwen's Noble Phantasm in high school. Master Panda is probably the only one stronger.
My Man Simps for Kirei so hard he made a video on his fighting style. Respect bro
This is the same principle as Bruce Lee's one inch punch in terms of generating the most power in one punch/attack. But bajiquan has the full range of motion and additionally uses elbows and shoulders. This will fucking wreck you
Dude this is really the internal engine of the martial art , you really could use the Technic to enter the door, this has more truth in it compare to the knowledge that many people selling in the world of martial arts
Back when I rewatched Fate/zero I really wondered what exactly Kira was using to pull all this off knowing it's all the result of a martial art holy shit that's one hell of a style.
Great video always keep it up
wow, so now you do videos about martial arts and techni that servants use?
becouse thats pretty neat.
I see Kirei.
Oh hey! It's my artwork on 03:25! :D
(u/Reikamaru on Reddit if you want to check.)
Okay, so I just imagine the monk jumping down and dancing to the background music when he first talked about bajishuan, then the thought that the dude was so enthralled he spend his whole life in it, and the fact that pre modern body guards learned it. I find that kinda funny
@Tsiah IV
You should learn it too~
It healthy for you~
It slowly develops unused muscles aka useless muscle (muscles that aren't used much in your everyday life)
shirou despite being an average mage has some really good physical feats of strength and speed in VN.
Shirou doesn't even qualify as a magus, he is a spellcaster, mages have extensive knowledge of magic theory and different kinds of magecraft, but that doesn't mean all of them are skilled in combat, in fact most aren't ,Shirou is very overspecialized and doesn't know anything beyond the basics of magecraft, but his overspecialization is thaumaturgy almost comparable with true magic and really apt for combat so
@@MrYoyoshi9 shirou is a combat mage, its literally all he can do with magic is fight.
@@jordonstewart2092 I was referring to that with his overspecialization, that he has mastered one ability but is useful in fighting, just that Magus refer to persons like Shirou as spellcasters because they use magecraft but not following the Magus way of life; and he is below average in everything except his speciality (ubw) while average Mages have more knowledge in everything else but can't dream to match him in projection or replicate ubw
You should check out Virtua Fighter's Akira. He has a lot of Baji Quan moves.
The priest smiles
I am amazed at the punch and Kiritsugu surviving it and dealing with pain
Imma need you to put that tree back sir
This definitely made me just wish I had Oldman Li even more. Great vid Tsiah.
It will be so *goat* if
SPOILER
Rasputin pseudo servant of Kirei uses these same techniques in FGO LB.
Love hearing about these Ex massage techniques.
Spear training was used extensively in Xinyi Quan / Xin Yi Liu He Quan as well as thats a relatively linear but explosive art also
the man choked out Irisvil Twice
Thanks for your good work as usual...it'd be cool if you could talk about pankration though
Just subbed like the content man. Idk if you read vagabond but it would be cool to see a character analysis of miyamoto musashi. If you haven't read it I highly recommend I think it would be something you might like
Wow....dunno what to say except Thx for the info, now I have to add Bajiquan in my exercise list along with boxing also KIREI FTW
Good review, thank you
Did he use scaling tiger though? Would love to see that.
Then again, I don't think he used the brace manoeuvre.
Wish I could learn this Martial Arts.....
Look at the Raid with Yayan Ruhian or Cecep Arif Rahman
Since leaning on the desk has given me pointy elbows, this seems like a martial art good for me.
That background music though
PUT THAT TREE BACK OR SO HELP ME!!!
i loved this
Yo! What's the name of the background music?! I really like it and I wish to listen to it more!
No flocking by Kodak Black it's a super early song of his
5.11 what episode was that I dont remember
Pretty sure Kirei had some magic enhancements the church gives some of their priests. The ones living in a city with 3 great families and that has a ghost free-for-all deathmach every other generation would qualify. I think they were called sacraments and some do make humans stronger but I'm too lazy to search the wiki rn
Welp time to learn it
What music do you use. Can you tell me. Pls
Yeah baji quan has a lot of conditioning its also pronounced
more
like Chen
Damn and i was thinking "Hebi" was the only beastly martial art.
Does Bazett & Souichirou have the same fighting style as Kirei too?
Stormy Rensho no, not even close
Tekken gameplay? I like
What anime is that from on 1:33
Fate, Tekken, Kotomine Kirei, AND Martial arts??? Subarashi, truly Subarashi!
It took the japanese to finally bring bajiquan to light. Quite sad in my opinon, although I do enjoy all of fate.
It was the Japanese that brought bajiquan to popular culture but without the Taiwanese it never would've made it outside of China. They're the ones that brought the martial art to the west.
Hakkyokuken xD
@@darylatkinson4192 it's weird that the Japanese would do this ever. They tried their damnedest to snuff out all Chinese culture in the past. Anything that could be empowering for Chinese. This and One Punch Man are the only examples of a Kung Fu practitioner not being a scrub
@@Xannyphantom905 I'm pretty sure it's just Nasu being a fan of Chinese martial arts and China in general. Kirei and Li with Bajiquan, the entire Tohsaka family with Kenpo, not to mention all of the Chinese servants we have so far in FGO.
@@NHDOreBros I didn't know there were so many references in Fate
As fav style this still hype me
So it was found by an astronaut. Wow
Partly off topic but whose gotten their quartz ready for CCC event. I've only got 30 but fuck it,I get bb so I'm happy
What's the music in the background?
Background music is here th-cam.com/video/xxXaaBIXxZA/w-d-xo.html
Kodak Black - No Flockin
Chad priest
the virgin Theologian (debates heretics, can't understand trinity despite years of study, is mocked by unbelievers) vs The Chad Priest (doesn't need to debate, punches normies and non-believers into conversion, the word of God lies in his fist👊)
Vs God Gun.
And then along came mother fuckin’ “Assassin-class Li Shuwen.”
What's the beat
This beat got me acting up I can't focus on the video.
Is there anywhere in the U.S you can learn this art?
Philadelphia, New York, New jersey, Ohio, California, and Alaska are the ones I know of that have Wu Tan/Taiwan Bajiquan school. I go to the one in Philly
Song name plz
What"s the anime's name where Li Shuwen appears?
@Endless Road thanks!
Ive seen those techniques xu wenwu shang chi father
I’m still putting my money on both Young and Old Li Shuwen if going against Kirei
I wish there was more known about the real Li Shuwen.
There isn't much information about IRL Li Shu Wen because 99% of his life consisted of training alone. Li Shu Wen was basically a NEET when he was younger. Since he was quite an asshole, most schools wouldn't take him in, and he basically taught himself martial arts by watching and stealing moves and then practicing them at home for days on end. As he got older and proved himself by basically killing everyone that opposed him, military and government officials took notice and starting asking him to train their soldiers. Once he began teaching he mellowed out and began realizing the finer details of Bajiquan (and Piguaquan). Eventually, he trained a child known as Liu Yun Qiao, whom he would take around Shandong to learn Taijiquan, Baguazhang, Tanglangquan, etc. Liu Yun Qiao was really the only person he had any sort of personal connection to. And then he was poisoned, supposedly because he was deemed too dangerous to live.
@@darylatkinson4192
Why wasn't this on wikipedia?
This is only stuff you can find through reading Kenji, an autobiographical manga by a Japanese student of Li Shu Wen's lineage, among other insider source material.
www.plumpub.com/kaimen/2013/li-shu-wen-spearman-extraordinaire/ here is a good article.
Also, Liu Yun Qiao is the one that would eventually be the personal bodyguard and military instructor of Chiang Kai-Shek, and the only one that Li Shu Wen would teach the secrets of Bajiquan. He formed the Wu Tang Center for the Development of Martial arts in the 70's and his students brought their teachings of Bajiquan and other martial arts to the west. Tony Yang, Adam Hsu, Su Yu Chang (the current holder of the title "Guardian of Bajiquan"), etc. are all students of Liu Yun Qiao and their students continue to promote Li Shu Wen and Liu Yun Qiao's teachings to this day.
I wonder how Li Shuwen would have felt about his students being bodyguards to Mao Zedong.
Li Shu Wen had absolutely no political ties from what I've read, so he wouldn't have cared at all.
@@darylatkinson4192
That's not what I mean, Mao was a madman who had millions of his people killed and Li's students were reported to be bodyguards for Mao.
Could Li have been ashamed for them to serve such a tyrant?
No, he wouldn't have cared. He wasn't really a person with any sense of honor or connection other than that of his last student Liu Yun Qiao. The others were just paychecks to him, and he didn't even teach them the full extent of his martial arts knowledge anyways. He was kind of a psychopath IRL who only cared about practicing martial arts and anyone who stood in his way had to die.
@@darylatkinson4192
Damn...sounds even more badass to me.
I practice Li Shu Wen's bajiquan and appreciate his work ethic. He's a character that's really, really "traditional chinese" and someone who definitely would have been unpersoned by the revolutionaries if he was still alive by that time.
But still my boi Kerry defeated him 😛😛😛
He didn't though.
@@maosama3695 Who got his heart shot?
@@lopez.jacinto.6726 Who got his wish granted in the end though?
@@TheMaestro116 but only because Kerry rejected the Grail.
@@lopez.jacinto.6726 Well yeah but he still got the last laugh. Anyway, the actual 'fight' itself ended in a stalemate since the roof collapsed on them before any decisive blow.
What the name of t his anime
Just wait for the last Heaven's Feel movie my nigga. You're going to love it.
Now we need a li shuwen ability and profile vids plz
The question is which age period?
Askr does it matter any li is best li after all fate extra has young li with old li abilities and class
Kid Li?
Askr lancer li’s age old li’s moves
No I mean if DW released a Kid Li as a 3 star.
Basically, ancient Jeet Kune Do?
So then kirei vs. Soichirou who would win who would lose
Kuzuki style is practically unpredictable, so much rendered Saber's stupidly hax instinct useless, so he has the upper hand at first but if he fails to kill Kirei in the first hits he is probably done for if we are talking about Zero Kirei, he could keep up better with FSN Kirei but still odds are in Kirei side, Kuzuki's style is fit for assassination but not for extended combat
WHAT A BOUT THE EXORCISM HE DID ON MAOTU ON THE THIRD HEAVEN FEELS MOVIE
Evil one punch man.
This sound like a freestyle
yall are sleeping on terry bogard
Soo uhhh, Niten Ichi-ryu next?
Rejoice.
If XU XIAODONG facing this Kungfu he will passed away🤣🤣🤣
He'll fight Qiu Baodong from Wu family Baji later this year
"Kirei Codamine"
Now im hoping for a new Emiya. Emiya Alter Ego (Kirei).
@@MajorLawliet The same way that Emiya Shirou is adopted yet still carries his adoptive name as a servant.
If it was possible for Shirou to find out he has lineage with Muramasa and that little connection was what made the fusion btwn the two perfectly synchronized. Then it is surely possible for him to find out what his real name is.
There is a possibility he just took on the heroic name, EMIYA, just for a revenge match. I mean the odds arent zero considering we were able to get Emiya Alter whose only real connection to the one we know of is similar beginning circumstances. Other than that, they are Emiyas from two different sources and realities.
Dunno what "Baiji shuwan" is I know what "Baji Quan" is though
This guy vs Kokoro from doa
Yorokobe
Onnnnnneeeeee pppppppuuuuuunnnnnncccccchhhhhh
easy answer reinforment magecraft.
i like how i can actually understand the chinese here sespite beinf crap at it
That's all great and all but Kiritsugu proven that Gun, Magecraft and wits can beat that fighting style although with effort
Aidex5200 s kiritsugu was using avalon and without it he would have died
@@damnthatsrough970 OK but still cheating is more effective than that style
@@aidas52 *laughs in black mud*
@@aidas52 Kiritsugu "won" because he woke up first from that dream.Luck was on his side.
Kiritsugu had Avalon, but Kotomine had the command seals, even so it wasn't written that Kerry was better, they were equally matched in that fight. Even at the end it was written to imply that either one could have came out on top. Kerry couldn't evade Kotomine's next attack, nor could Kotomine evade Kerry's. Kerry didn't really have time to properly aim, so he actually thought he might miss. Both were kinda at the end of their ropes.
Baji Is good no doubt. But they are overhyping baji quan in Anime industry. That punch kiritsugu get was too telegraphed. A normal boxer could have dodged it even without magic.
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