4:35 is a moment here that I've carried with me in life. It resonated with me a bit when Fishman said 'There's no bad news for me, just good news for Bobby'. I often dwelled a bit on what I didn't have in my life and I saw people/friends doing cool things and I didn't spend enough time appreciating what I did have. When someone else succeeds and does better than you or even overtakes you from this scenario, it's best to just acknowledge that things can be good for you and them at the same time. Fishman is high on life. Had to be a little disappointed that his NAPT passport was gifted away by the poker gods, but he recognized the success he attained and is still happy for Bobby. Great outlook on life and great quote from Fishman.
The proper move is to ship a late call under the button, over the gun when the deck is forcing a strattel. If the noob tries to fish in the air then reach into the pot of odds so the ante will force the blinds to fold to the raisers. Next, check raise anyone giving insurance and run em twice. Finally, double pump a push and smooth call the betting structure, call the clock on yourself and semi bluff the 4 bet. This is the obvious way to play the hand.
The canon's range is so so sooooooooooo narrow... he is never bluffing in this situation. (AA - KK or QQ - he is not 5 betting with JJ or AK) I would have liked Jetten instead of 4 betting, just call and see a flop. But he would have had to decide then if he didn't hit a King that he's up against AA and fold on the flop bet.
OK here is the format guys so everyone can understand. Loose Cannons start with a 100K and can keep all profits after 150 hands or go on. The David Fishman guy was up 140K or so after busting Hellmuth. The loose cannon with the most profit at the end of the series also gets a seat to I believe the Punta Cana tourney. Bobby was at 140K at hand 143. There is no way on God's green earth Bobby is 5 betting anything other than AA or KK, MAYBE QQ if he sucks. Jetten has to fold there pure and simple and it might be the only time he ever correctly folds KK pre flop ever.
+Ninos Shaoul that is all true,but all you had to do was watch the cannons face after he was 4bet , that alone,with the 5bet tells me he has aa,, for sure....
Unless someone folded a " 6 " the turn and river could of came 6 6 so both of them would of had Quad 6's with a Ace kicker! That would of been nuts ...
dru713281 I was at Foxwoods and talking about "Bad beat stories" at the table! Then the dealer after about 10min of listening 2 us says, Flop 1022, 1 guy flops jj22, the other guy flops quad 2222! (They hate each other) Guess what! it ends up being a $6,700 pot on the flop mmm NEXT 2 CARDS JJ R U FUCKING KIDDING ME
Jetten should retire after this hand. So embrassing owned by a nit fish. His 3bet range is AA only nevermind his 5bet range. Yet jetten still cant fold. Time to ride tonys bike
5 bet range is one hand and one hand only. I think alot of the other players at the table get away from kk here. This isn't a pro trying to rep AA, this is a working class guy that needed the money. Jetten did him a HUGE favor here.
well, you never know what he does with QQ or AK! believe me many people overplay hands like those in a live cash game! folding kings pre flop is only profitable if you know the guy 100%! but you are right that his most likely holding is aces here...
+ChaosInModeration well sometimes amateurs cannot stand the pressure and take getting owned by the pros... if they would always make rational decissions it would not be that profitable to play against them... this particular amateur seems like a total rock though...
he gave away so many tells also he smiled when he got the three bet his upper mouth went up also he was looking dead at jetten in his eyes didn't blink and didn't look away when jetten looked at him when someones staring into you that hard and does not look away he is 80 percent of the time super strong or just fucking drunk
The loose cannon’s 3-Bet range is AK/QQ/KK/AA, so I do understand the 4 bet, but once he re-pots it, his only hand is AA 100% of the time no question. The cannon has to think a 4 bet is super strong considering the pro knows how narrow his range is, so he cant justify continuing with any other hand besides aces. This is the time to fold KK if you ever are going to, there’s just too many variables that point to it being AA.
You're right, and Jetten almost certainly knew this as well. The hard truth is that this is a spot where even when you basically know you're beat, you can't really get away from the hand. At least not pre. While he wasn't wrong in his assessment that there aren't a ton of flops that he could have gotten away from anyways, I would think that this particular flop would have been one of them. I disagree that it's a clear fold in this spot although it IS fairly obvious that the cannon has AA.
Yes it was nice try. There was also a 6 folded Pre. They know what they're talking about. You dont. Stop trying to seem smarter than everyone you just look dumber lmao
Look at the loose cannon's look of "disgust" at 1:38 when getting re-raised, such an amateur tell of trying to look weak and concerned. He then proceeds to re-pop it.. serious red flags. It makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever to show disgust and disappointment, then re-pop it anyway, absolutely no fucking sense at all unless it's a pathetic act. Genuine disgust does not equate to re-raising. I don't play live poker (only online) but if i saw that pretend-disgust-but-raise shit i would call them out, it pisses me off to watch.
holdem5180 That's what i mean, it pissed me off that Jetten didn't pick up on it. These obvious acting tells and they still get paid off. Granted it's a cooler with KK, i don't know if i would be good enough to fold necessarily.. but in that context it seems possible.
+tqsuited i folded kk twice in my life so far , both times in a pretty big cash game , and it is fn hard.....you are right , in that context , it would of been the third time for sure.......
+PSV broek Hey dummy I'm laid down Kings twice preflop I played in the World Series of Poker Main Event something you only dream about so here is my advice to you go f*** yourself how's that
@1:35 love the "annoyed look tell when he get reraised, then laugh and then 5 bet it". well played Bobby! @3:12 cuz Jetten thought he had the best hand when he say "i have 2 kings"
there is only one time I seen a top professional fold kings pre flop his read was correct his opponent had Aces another player called with Queens. Dude who folded kings showed his kings to the table thought he was pretty clever till the flop. King and some rags
Like he said, no bad news for him, just good news for Bobby. I'm glad Fishman won that 129k. Hellmuth deserved that beat, and Fishman deserved the winnings. He's a good guy. Has real sportsmanship and class.
0:39 Makhija folded a six preflop. Notice how the percentages that are given when the cards are turned face-up take into account that a king (and an ace) had already been folded. I think the Pokerstars Big Game auto-adjusts its percentages based on all known cards, including those folded preflop.
I don't think anyone else does. I'm not sure I know anyone that would act "normally" when he or she was about to win that amount of money. He seems like a nice guy.
You know, when Veldhuis says out loud "It's close...", maybe Jetten realized he folded an ace, making it less likely for Ferdinand to have AA. Ofc, once the 5-bet comes in...
I'm not sure how he couldn't get away from kings there. The cannon had a 40k profit, he's not going to risk 40k pre flop with queens in what could be a coin flip situation. Jetten played that like he was playing against another pro player who could afford to lose that amount of money.
why do the fuckin dealers always take 2-3mins to deal the flop. they always sit there and let everyone talk for a fuckin hour before they even hit the felt. so annoying.
I think I maybe have folded KK once pre flop and the guy showed me aces. It was mostly luck that I sniffed it out cause I ain't that good a poker player to claim I read him right. Twas mostly a gut feeling that I couldn't shake. Tho there is no better feeling to get re raised when you have aces pre flop.
easiest fold ever for KK.. the pshhh.. look back......... wait wait... a little more uggh pshh.... ooo wait I 5 bet after i said the only way I'm going to win is if i get AA vs KK. How do you call yourself a pro if you can't fold to that
I 4 bet a pot with aces and got 3 aces on the flop, with 3 spades. The chick bets, I reraise her all in and she called. King 4 of fucking spades. This was a 4 bet pot like. I was fuming.
I know im going to sound stupid, I wouldve considered running it 4 times, if you lose one you still win a fuckload of money(losing 1 run out is probably what would happen, hes not going to lose 2) and if he does hit a king you lose it all. If there was no NAPT passport, thats def the right play if Bobby has the type of bankroll i think he had, which was 0-15000. He played 1-2 and 2-5 at foxwoods. Hes decent but hes not making a living at poker.
@naz2999 hey no one forced Jetten onto the table and to put up his money to play poker.. and if poker is all about luck...why do final tables always have familiar faces?
Given this situation, once Bobby was laughing and put in the 5 bet Jetten had 27,800 invested....Im sorry but Bobby ISNT DOING THIS WITH ANY OTHER HAND BUT AA OR KK...HES NOT 5 BETTING QQ,JJ,OR AKss. Im suprised Jetten shoved. MAYBE Jetten thought the Cannon picked up a big hand and was trying to gamble for the passport but if thats the case, he leveled himself. Bobby doesnt 5 bet anything but aa or kk in this spot. He probably folds JJ/QQ for 27,000 thats 65% of his profit.
LOL people saying he celebrated and moaned about it, yes lacks a bit of class but the most of you especially @Tehuni1974 do not play at these kind of stakes you should be happy for the guy, are you telling me you wouldn't be excited to win that amount of money on tv?
4:35 is a moment here that I've carried with me in life. It resonated with me a bit when Fishman said 'There's no bad news for me, just good news for Bobby'. I often dwelled a bit on what I didn't have in my life and I saw people/friends doing cool things and I didn't spend enough time appreciating what I did have.
When someone else succeeds and does better than you or even overtakes you from this scenario, it's best to just acknowledge that things can be good for you and them at the same time. Fishman is high on life. Had to be a little disappointed that his NAPT passport was gifted away by the poker gods, but he recognized the success he attained and is still happy for Bobby.
Great outlook on life and great quote from Fishman.
David is a great guy, he was my math professor at ASU and helped when my mom had cancer
This is big brain and more people need to feel this way.
hits in the feels
"No bad news for me; only good news for Bobby; that's cool."
Good man.
The proper move is to ship a late call under the button, over the gun when the deck is forcing a strattel. If the noob tries to fish in the air then reach into the pot of odds so the ante will force the blinds to fold to the raisers. Next, check raise anyone giving insurance and run em twice. Finally, double pump a push and smooth call the betting structure, call the clock on yourself and semi bluff the 4 bet. This is the obvious way to play the hand.
if there is a spot to fold KK this was it
The canon's range is so so sooooooooooo narrow... he is never bluffing in this situation. (AA - KK or QQ - he is not 5 betting with JJ or AK) I would have liked Jetten instead of 4 betting, just call and see a flop. But he would have had to decide then if he didn't hit a King that he's up against AA and fold on the flop bet.
Your right with the JJ but even this Hand he would win
You can never fold kings pre flop.
Remy Martin there are people folding KK pre flop just watch poker after dark
Folding KK preflop wouldn’t be profitable in a long run but this was obvious he had AA
OK here is the format guys so everyone can understand. Loose Cannons start with a 100K and can keep all profits after 150 hands or go on. The David Fishman guy was up 140K or so after busting Hellmuth. The loose cannon with the most profit at the end of the series also gets a seat to I believe the Punta Cana tourney. Bobby was at 140K at hand 143. There is no way on God's green earth Bobby is 5 betting anything other than AA or KK, MAYBE QQ if he sucks. Jetten has to fold there pure and simple and it might be the only time he ever correctly folds KK pre flop ever.
+Ninos Shaoul that is all true,but all you had to do was watch the cannons face after he was 4bet , that alone,with the 5bet tells me he has aa,, for sure....
Close, the prize was a NAPT passport, they could use on any tourney in that season, not just Punta Cana.
It's great to see how happy and excited this guy was. :)
Unless someone folded a " 6 " the turn and river could of came 6 6 so both of them
would of had Quad 6's with a Ace kicker! That would of been nuts ...
Marcus Campbell
Seat 3 floded a K ... (Mosseri)
Well Makhija folded a 6... so yes he flopped the nuts.
as funny as that sounds that has happened to me already holding aces and flopping a boat it was so sick I talked about it for almost an hour
dru713281 I was at Foxwoods and talking about "Bad beat stories" at the table! Then the dealer after about 10min of listening 2 us says, Flop 1022, 1 guy flops jj22, the other guy flops quad 2222! (They hate each other)
Guess what! it ends up being a $6,700 pot on the flop mmm
NEXT 2 CARDS JJ R U FUCKING KIDDING ME
What is this "6" you speak of
Good for him, love seeing the loose cannons win
I rather take the blonde amanda leatherman
I know Bobby , I played with him years at Foxwoods in Conn and he is great guy and very good player . He deserved it
Jetten should retire after this hand. So embrassing owned by a nit fish. His 3bet range is AA only nevermind his 5bet range. Yet jetten still cant fold. Time to ride tonys bike
Not true whatsoever. He’s 100% 3 betting with QQ/KK, his 5 bet range is definitely only AA
Times were much different then. People’s ranges during this hand were 10s to AA’s and AK - AQ suited.
@@mattystacks7226 not this guys range for the bets he made. After the 2nd pot bet, hes got KK at absolute worst. No way he 5 bets with QQ.
3:19 that clap sounds like a whip crack
"JETTEN'S OUT" is by far my favorite part of this hand
3:21 "'wow"
You have no idea how I couldn't stop laughing
5 bet range is one hand and one hand only. I think alot of the other players at the table get away from kk here. This isn't a pro trying to rep AA, this is a working class guy that needed the money. Jetten did him a HUGE favor here.
well, you never know what he does with QQ or AK! believe me many people overplay hands like those in a live cash game! folding kings pre flop is only profitable if you know the guy 100%! but you are right that his most likely holding is aces here...
Ryan Stecken the amateur is not 5 betting his profit away without aces there.
+ChaosInModeration well sometimes amateurs cannot stand the pressure and take getting owned by the pros... if they would always make rational decissions it would not be that profitable to play against them... this particular amateur seems like a total rock though...
he gave away so many tells also he smiled when he got the three bet his upper mouth went up also he was looking dead at jetten in his eyes didn't blink and didn't look away when jetten looked at him when someones staring into you that hard and does not look away he is 80 percent of the time super strong or just fucking drunk
dru713281 You really should play there instead of these bad professionals
Dave and Bobby were good dudes
The loose cannon’s 3-Bet range is AK/QQ/KK/AA, so I do understand the 4 bet, but once he re-pots it, his only hand is AA 100% of the time no question. The cannon has to think a 4 bet is super strong considering the pro knows how narrow his range is, so he cant justify continuing with any other hand besides aces. This is the time to fold KK if you ever are going to, there’s just too many variables that point to it being AA.
You're right, and Jetten almost certainly knew this as well. The hard truth is that this is a spot where even when you basically know you're beat, you can't really get away from the hand. At least not pre. While he wasn't wrong in his assessment that there aren't a ton of flops that he could have gotten away from anyways, I would think that this particular flop would have been one of them.
I disagree that it's a clear fold in this spot although it IS fairly obvious that the cannon has AA.
if the board ran A6666 then both would play the board, and they would chop it. So it wasnt over, like the com's said.
Yes it was nice try. There was also a 6 folded Pre. They know what they're talking about. You dont. Stop trying to seem smarter than everyone you just look dumber lmao
Look at the loose cannon's look of "disgust" at 1:38 when getting re-raised, such an amateur tell of trying to look weak and concerned. He then proceeds to re-pop it.. serious red flags. It makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever to show disgust and disappointment, then re-pop it anyway, absolutely no fucking sense at all unless it's a pathetic act. Genuine disgust does not equate to re-raising. I don't play live poker (only online) but if i saw that pretend-disgust-but-raise shit i would call them out, it pisses me off to watch.
+tqsuited does not piss me off at all, it was the perfect tell , to lay those kk down right there.........don"t know why jetten did not see that.....
holdem5180 That's what i mean, it pissed me off that Jetten didn't pick up on it. These obvious acting tells and they still get paid off. Granted it's a cooler with KK, i don't know if i would be good enough to fold necessarily.. but in that context it seems possible.
+tqsuited i folded kk twice in my life so far , both times in a pretty big cash game , and it is fn hard.....you are right , in that context , it would of been the third time for sure.......
+tqsuited i fold my kk there, after that bad acting job , then he 5 bets .... lol ez fold......
+PSV broek Hey dummy I'm laid down Kings twice preflop I played in the World Series of Poker Main Event something you only dream about so here is my advice to you go f*** yourself how's that
@ 3:11 Jetten is a very good player he can still get away from this. (2 seconds later) Jetten: I'm all in! hahhahahahahahaha
Happy for the guy.
@1:35 love the "annoyed look tell when he get reraised, then laugh and then 5 bet it". well played Bobby! @3:12 cuz Jetten thought he had the best hand when he say "i have 2 kings"
there is only one time I seen a top professional fold kings pre flop his read was correct his opponent had Aces another player called with Queens. Dude who folded kings showed his kings to the table thought he was pretty clever till the flop. King and some rags
+Shayne Sim you're forgetting the sickest part of the hand, the guy who had queens hit his 2 outter on the river and won the pot
If you're talking about the AA KK QQ 77 55 hand, yeah that was insanely sick
Makhija folded the 6♦ at 0:40.
Like he said, no bad news for him, just good news for Bobby. I'm glad Fishman won that 129k. Hellmuth deserved that beat, and Fishman deserved the winnings. He's a good guy. Has real sportsmanship and class.
0:39 Makhija folded a six preflop. Notice how the percentages that are given when the cards are turned face-up take into account that a king (and an ace) had already been folded. I think the Pokerstars Big Game auto-adjusts its percentages based on all known cards, including those folded preflop.
Someone folded a 6.
Watch the video closely before you comment something silly next time.
David Fishman is such a good sport. I am glad he made 129k he deserves it.
I don't think anyone else does. I'm not sure I know anyone that would act "normally" when he or she was about to win that amount of money. He seems like a nice guy.
Because the percentages take into account each of the players' hole cards (even those who have folded). Someone folded a 6 pre-flop.
What a sick hand for the cannon, good for him
A board of K663A would beat that feeling. ;)
Funny thing is he gets dealt AA two hands later and folds them correctly preflop because one of the pros would have hit a set on flop.
Nothing beats the feeling the LC had after that flop. Nothing!!
@jakerhymeswithsnake actually he was 4 to 1 and sometimes bad beats happens...
At around the 4 minute mark the announcer says there is only 1 king left.
very hot blonde
+Lukas Omasta you got the name of the blonde?
+GOATphen Curry Amanda Leatherman
no but naccer2 got it for us. now we can wank.
Yeah id smash that all day and night for a weakend
Remy Martin not with that IQ you won’t
You know, when Veldhuis says out loud "It's close...", maybe Jetten realized he folded an ace, making it less likely for Ferdinand to have AA. Ofc, once the 5-bet comes in...
+Jukeboksi That is a good point. He also would have thought maybe TT JJ or QQ though. Would have been an amazing fold if he had gotten away from it.
That’s exactly why jetten called . I said that right after it was over . That’s why players shouldn’t comment during a hand .
@@robertferdinand3688 Thanks for the insight and reply! That hand must've felt amazing eh?
Jukeboksi you have no idea . I was very happy to say the least
Ty for being a fan
I'm not sure how he couldn't get away from kings there. The cannon had a 40k profit, he's not going to risk 40k pre flop with queens in what could be a coin flip situation. Jetten played that like he was playing against another pro player who could afford to lose that amount of money.
5:45 Lex: "I'm not giving you anything"
two people got hit by a bus...
i hate how fucking long the dealer takes to make the flop
Fishman folded Aces preflop in last section and hit a miorcle vs Hellmuth to suck out on river
I can't get over how much Elky looks like Bobby Fischer.
Fishman already won 130k, he could use a little of that to enter NAPT events anyway.
A10 suited was pretty good. Should have stuck with it.
Lol
Expected the board to come two tens with that comment.
haha this must be a joke??? :)
He should have just called the 29k seen the Ace on the flop and folded. No way the cannon plays like that with anything less than AA.
why is a checkmark after the flop? if the turn is a six and the river also a six they split the pot.
wow, what a champ fishman is
i wanted a K to hit the board so hard
@Taigirr the loose cannon that made the most profit for the season get some kind of tournment invite or some shit, prize package etc
why do the fuckin dealers always take 2-3mins to deal the flop. they always sit there and let everyone talk for a fuckin hour before they even hit the felt. so annoying.
+Tommy Boy on these high stakes games they generally have a producer in their ear telling them when to deal the flop.
+Tommy Boy
Because TV
@Taigirr the loose cannon that made the most profit for the seanson get some kind of tournment invite or some shit, prize package etc
I think I maybe have folded KK once pre flop and the guy showed me aces. It was mostly luck that I sniffed it out cause I ain't that good a poker player to claim I read him right. Twas mostly a gut feeling that I couldn't shake. Tho there is no better feeling to get re raised when you have aces pre flop.
this hand is so sick. he gets aces then hits the case ace LOL
3:19 Like cracking the whip.
easiest fold ever for KK.. the pshhh.. look back......... wait wait... a little more uggh pshh....
ooo wait I 5 bet after i said the only way I'm going to win is if i get AA vs KK.
How do you call yourself a pro if you can't fold to that
I 4 bet a pot with aces and got 3 aces on the flop, with 3 spades. The chick bets, I reraise her all in and she called. King 4 of fucking spades. This was a 4 bet pot like. I was fuming.
u cannot get 3 aces on the flop if u had pocket Aces -) thats a rigged deck
Tofig Huseynov don't know if this was sarcasm but if not you should stop playing poker if you don' know what he meant by that or just google it dude
Almost like the deck was set
How come he had the check mark at 4:54? Would it not be a
the 'com' knew a 6 was already gone (in some ones hand, just like the king), so it was over
I know im going to sound stupid, I wouldve considered running it 4 times, if you lose one you still win a fuckload of money(losing 1 run out is probably what would happen, hes not going to lose 2) and if he does hit a king you lose it all. If there was no NAPT passport, thats def the right play if Bobby has the type of bankroll i think he had, which was 0-15000. He played 1-2 and 2-5 at foxwoods. Hes decent but hes not making a living at poker.
Ah yes sir , I did make a living playing 2-5 at woods . Don’t know what bus you’ve been watching . Must have been the short bus lol
Epic hand, so why is Amanda looking bored to death?
@naz2999 hey no one forced Jetten onto the table and to put up his money to play poker.. and if poker is all about luck...why do final tables always have familiar faces?
How did he got the check mark after the flop?? What if the turn and the river turned up KK?
5 betting here seems pretty bad... lucky he got called
I think he didn’t mind taking the pot there instead of flatting and putting himself on a difficult spot or hits the ace and gets no action
Jetten shoves and gets snapped off and says i have twos Kings as if he felt bad for the loose cannon
Ya if I'd won over 180k if be pretty stoked too
I would have lost to a club flush on Pokerstars!
Given this situation, once Bobby was laughing and put in the 5 bet Jetten had 27,800 invested....Im sorry but Bobby ISNT DOING THIS WITH ANY OTHER HAND BUT AA OR KK...HES NOT 5 BETTING QQ,JJ,OR AKss. Im suprised Jetten shoved. MAYBE Jetten thought the Cannon picked up a big hand and was trying to gamble for the passport but if thats the case, he leveled himself. Bobby doesnt 5 bet anything but aa or kk in this spot. He probably folds JJ/QQ for 27,000 thats 65% of his profit.
someone tell the commentator that jetten wasnt drawing dead on the flop lol
swingdocta he was, someone folded a king (of course jetten only knows he was drawing dead after knowing the turn)
@Pickpocket Nah mate, just you
LOL people saying he celebrated and moaned about it, yes lacks a bit of class but the most of you especially @Tehuni1974 do not play at these kind of stakes you should be happy for the guy, are you telling me you wouldn't be excited to win that amount of money on tv?
why was it over after the flop? did someone fold a king?
does bobby have a youtube channel or social media?
so sympathic this busdriver ^^
@Anduy Someone folded a king pre-flop.
HOLY GO SOXS PAHK THE F IN CAHK IN HARVARD YARD!
fishman is a fish
worst nightmare in hold'em, you cant fold kings, commentary says that, cause they see a card, but i never seen anyone folding that monster
LuBDzikLandTV If you understood the context, folding KK should've been quite easy. Jetten just was extremely greedy and got bitten for it.
RKMR how would he have known???
I've folded kings online about five times in my life. I've been right every time
+fundy023
How can you know? Your opponents are very generous if they show you their hand every time after you fold.
+LuBDzikLandTV just call and see a flop. No K get out cheap.
why does it matter if fishman doesn't win as much as this guy?
Was there an ace on the flop?
❤️❤️❤️❤️
action on jetten who has kiiiings
I'm sorry but how many times does a taxi driver 3bet a 10k profit with QQ or worse here?
Why not just call with kings
Because that's what they did in 1980's
Feel bad for the guy
@Tehui1974 wow you are so much better than all of us!
2:42 POT!
the cannon took that win like an ass. He should have let him run it twice
Why would I do that ? Too big of a fav to give him 2 shots . I was going for it all .
Hes just making a joke because online you see so many more hands and it feels like you get sucked out on more.
Subbed for the name lol
@moonomatic bruce willis-esque
She'd probably let you too.
no they would both ahve 6666A
running sixes would have been funny =D
He could have a flush ... Why only the king in the outs ?
Farrale if you watches the video and payed attention you would know....
want to sell your channel?
amanda leatherman is fine
@sean19922k7
yep,
mosseri folded K5o.
Makhija folded 64 so this was impossible