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why do you list only Serbian fans, if you are basketball fans you should also be against that project! It doesn't matter if it's Serbian teams or any other teams from Europe, Dubai does not belong to European basketball! I think that Croatia deserves to have a representative before Dubai and London!! Why don't they make a league like the NBA? Even then, Dubai does not deserve to be in the Euroleague! They should change their name and be called World-moneyleague!
I liked the old system with group phases and longer playoffs even more, but the current format is very competitive also. Definitely a the direction like the one now proposed is the first step to the destruction of this competition.
It's not perfect though from an economical persective. For a team to have F4 material it either gets founding from their country's goverments, have a football club behind(like real and barcelona) or owned by someone with lots of money. Teams are not self sustainable and that's a big problem.
@@bluerie I have a lot of argunents... But most of them were already addressed in the video so I didn't wish to reiterate them. But since you asked, I will. Having a team from the Emirates that has a ridiculous budget compared to other teams and can just form a 'superteam' is not good for the sport. Having a team with no fanbase and no culture is not representative of the Euroleague. Also, if a team from the Emirates enters the league, one of the existing teams has to exit. So, which one do you throw out? How do you decide? Does Valencia go? Villeurbanne? Alba? Or one of the Serbian teams? Would you rather have a game played in Dubai instead of Stark arena?
I think its very good for the Euroleague. Dubai club will pay a club with an A license a million and Euroleague is getting 200 million not 150. The teams can buy better players and they can atract better players and the league will grow. I mean yes the dubai clubs can overpower by buying players. Its not as good for the teams but good for the Euroleague
BRAVO Rytis!!!! Right to the point 🎯🎯 All that is just a cheap advertisement for Dubai and their airline company. The same example you have in cycling. They have cycling UAE team with best riders, and it much cheaper/better advert comparing to advertising on BBC or CNN, etc. IMHO, Euroleague should work on re-establishing classical derbies in Euroleage that exists for decades like one in Bologna, exYugoslav teams, another Lithuanian club, etc. It's not instant money but it's a secure long term vision.
There are so many historic clubs in Europe that could join Euroleague instead. And in general cities where basketball is very popular. F.e. I think it's a shame that Thessaloniki isn't represented in the league.
@@zifix7971why not? The only way that basketball can tap their full potential on rivalling football for viewership.. imagine best in Europe playing best pro league team in Asia or in Australia or in Latin Americas… that is why football is the most popular sport in the world right now… they have legit intercontinental event for professional ball clubs aside for competition for national teams… and if successful, then involving NBA team is the final nail in the coffin to make a tournament ala champions league
You can’t say that other clubs like Serbian ones or other non share holders need to prove their merit, organizational structure, sustainability etc. and then introduce Dubai club because of the money. It’s double standards. Make up your mind what you want…
Imagine flying 6 hours for an Euroleague game in a double game week. Should rather focus on solving the conflict with FIBA. Dubai won’t solve more crucial issues for the Euroleague
Rytis is Charles Barkley, Augustas is Kenny and Donatas is Ernie 😁… Of course, I’m 100% with Rytis. Give to Zvezda and Partizan 6 years deals and you’ll get the sponsors from Serbia that will provide you even more money… 25 mils per season is ridiculously low to completely change shape of the league we know… Actually that move might be the actual end of the league☝🏻
exactly, its crazy serbian teams dont have fixed contracts. Top talent, top fans, thats the sustainable way of building. We already have rich teams with no fans...
Its not just Serbian fans. I am Bulgarian and not assuring Zvezda and Partizan a place in the league is very wrong. Teams like ALBA and Asvel show no progress and are definitley Eurocup level even Champions league for ALBA. Dubai can be interesting project but sacrificing tradition for money is very wrong and that goes back to teams like ALBA and Asvel and others. The hypocricity of the EL owners is very obvious . Honestly as a true basketball fan sseeing Partizan ,Zvezda,Olympiacos,Panathinaikos, Zalgiris, Fenerbahche is a must see experience that equals no money. Keep both Serbian teams,add Dubai and London and relegate Asvel and Alba. This should make everyone happy.Pretty sure money and interest will be much higher than Alba and Asvel games. Plus those two destinations are much more attractive and wattract much more investment and people than ALBA and ASVLE ever will.
ALBA and Germany is a bigger market than Serbia, thats just how it is. Also ALBA does not have the money partizan ( with their gambling sponsor ) has . SO talking about money interests is kind of hypocritical.
@henningts Market that is not producing . Pretty sure both London Lions and Dubai have much bigger potential to create much more revenue and investments than Berlin ever will. No one in London will go to watch London vs. Alba .I can bet London vs Partizan, Real, Fenerbahçe, Zalgiris, will. While despite Serbia being small country , it is basketball powerhouse with traditions will attract much more fans. Doubt Germans will ever go to O2 arena. I won't go to watch Alba even if they pay me.
As a "European" Basketball fan from Istanbul, I would Not like to see a club from somewhere that has not basketball culture. Regarding business aspect a million euro or lets say five million euro at total really does not wort it. On the other hand quality of basketball will be missed and European basketball will lose value in long run. As a basketball fan we don't need another Mirotic with 5 milion euro. I am happy with low budget but high basketball IQ team like Zalgris in a way Alba Berlin(not this season), also style of Monaco disturbs me. Also time by time my club Anadolu Efes disturbs me as well I would like to see more local players, still I think we contribute basketball here. I believe main reason that behind Euroleague clubs poor financial status is about advertising
Maccabi was and it's exemption, although they shouldn't play Euroligue too, Euroleague is for European teams , we don't need Dubai or anything else , its becoming circus, we don't need NBA and trash theatre atmosphere like in half of the current sport arenas ( like in Monaco, Berlin, Lyon, Milano ) ...
I think it is just "good cop-bad cop" strategy, they do not want to be 100% labeled as racists in 2024 bro. They have to remain THE voice of european basketball fans!
The guy in green t-shirt is 100% right! Let's be honest Arabs are not intrasted in basketball(If it is horse races or some traditional sport that they love ok) but for them it is just one more project for their "soft power" On short term Euroleague gets more money, but long tirm it lose much more.
@@Linksmakalnietis The administrations of Partizan and Crvena zvezda are talking about this publicly. It is evident that every club with an A license is looking out for their own interests, and the money from Dubai is more than welcome to them.
Thanks for your time guys and for showing up such subjects. A sport becomes a show when somebody will watch it, and becomes a busynes when somebody pays for it. Another profesion. There,s way deeper sociopolitical issues about it though...
Dubai project is a farce, imo Euroleague should concentrate to promote the sport in Paris and London (the 2 biggest cities in western Europe), there isn't a culture yet (Football is too strong there) but there is real potential.
You can't prevent Dubai from paying them under the table in all sorts of ways. They can just get supposed 'consultancy' or 'sponsorship' deals actually financed by Dubai.
You are missing the point, basketball players are some of the most well known athletes in the world like LeBron and Steph. If Middle East countries were able to sign football players like Neymar and Cristiano, in their heads, the only thing stopping them from signing the nba superstars is a basketball team. In my opinion, this is their end goal.
If Dubai comes in Euroleague, it will be end of basketball and Euroleague will lose millions of fans. Instead of that I have solution to them. 1) Alba, Asvel and Maccabi(until war finish) out of league. 2)Put in Paris and London if you want new markets. 3) Bring back CSKA Moscow 4) Make league with 24 teams separated in groups 5) Force derbies and clubs with history(PAOK - Aris, Fortitudo) don't look just for money because it will have bad boomerang effect. 6) Give Partizan and Zvezda A licenses. Every true basketball fan want every year to watch best basketball derby in the world. And also they have big fan armies all around the world.
I have recently moved to Dubai and I have mixed feelings about this idea. From one side, Dubai is a very multicultural city, 89% of the population is foreign and for what I have seen there is demand for basketball and the street courts are always busy and let’s be honest, I would love to watch live an euroleague game every other week! From another side, creating a project from zero will be hard and might not get results right away but it will ve a very appealing destination for players, there are no taxes on salaries here…
Dubai is just a quick buck for the shareholders and EL board. I can understand that EL is willing to "put up" with Alba in hopes to promote basketball in Germany, which is not only a rich country but also a big population, potential base for future talents etc... I don't think we will ever see a UAE world talent emerging from Dubai, nor we will ever see UAE caught up in some basketball fever... But it is possible that we get a EL team for washed up NBA stars, or extreme rise in EL contracts for players which will hit the likes of Zvezda, Partizan or Zalgiris the hardest... We could also see Dubai and some other team taking Serbian clubs spots in EL, which can lead to depopularization of basketball in one of the few real basketball nations in Europe...
Basketball won't get less popular in Serbia because we don't play Euroleague,only Euroleague will🤣 Our Basketball is much more than one bad competition.
No one will watch that. The team from Dubai has no history of playing in the EL. For me, it would not be an EL match. It will be a circus. I am sick of their ideas for money. #ODJEBITE
It boggles my mind that Euroleague can’t put together a team of 4-5 people who understands sports business and European basketball culture and how to generate money enough to make this league self sustainable. This is not a rocket science.
Dubai has no native Emirati basketball fan base, true. But what it does have is 450,000 overseas Filipino workers. More than enough to fill the 17,000 seat Coca-Cola Arena. This gives some credence to the rumors that BC Dubai will be signing 2023-2024 Japan B-League Most Outstanding Asian Player awardee Thirdy Ravena, who is a Filipino.
Personally, I think that since the beginning of the Euroleague season, it has started to change to a lower level. Inserting a play-in was completely unnecessary, no one even asked for it, just a way to squeeze as much money as possible. Now this with Dubaji is a shame. I am a fan of Partizan and I think that it is really a big disrespect for many teams who have to be not good but excellent all season in order to maybe enter or stay in the league. The part with the giving of money is just another move to make the Euroleague a bigger market and thus more "interesting" and "accessible" to the rest of the world. If this continues, we will only get another NBA league full of teams that are not there because of the quality or the fans, but because of money.
My man Rytis AKA The Slicer is correct! Dubai - too much, too risky. FIBA -Asia disagrees! Better the give them the opportunity to invest or potentially buy Euro teams, better way to bring more money in and keep the Euro geography and consistency!
This wont do good for euroleague in the long run unless they impose some kind of salary cap. Bringing teams with big money but no crowd and no basketball culture is not the right way to go forward.
I don't get this idea of looking for other markets. Nobody outside of Europe is going to consistently watch Eurolegue games outside of maybe the Final Four (in real passionate basketball countries). Focus on Europe!
@@robertotampioc7318 and you expect them to watch Eurolegue games?!? Over 400 boys and girls playing in the youth team of my club in Italy I expect 10 of them to watch a Eurolegue match every week. Those people must be the target. Not some guy from Japan, Dubai or India.
@@fedesampi00… do you know that there are many expats in Dubai… especially Chinese, Lebanese and Filipinos that loves basketball… the reason why they can’t watch because of time difference… if Euroleague was time friendly to Asian market, it will be bigger… do you watch last World Cup? Asian fans loves European style of game… Basketball in Asia is huge bro… In China, 625 million are basketball fans there, while 90% of Filipinos loves basketball… They just only want to watch NBA due to friendly schedule due to time difference
@@robertotampioc7318 yeah but they watch the nba and their national league, not Eurolegue. Anyway, in my opinion the potential to grow the fanbase is much larger here in Europe compared to abroad
@@fedesampi00 because of time difference… who will watch Euroleague games on 2 am in East pacific coast line? Asia has the biggest market in basketball.. look where the World Cup was placed since 2019? All in Asia and in 2027 will held also in Qatar… FIBA knows where the market is right now… For sure Dubai is not the end game for Euroleague… I’m sure they have plans expanding in Asia too…
Thank you Rytis for your opinion. There is no sports culture in Dubai, they just doing sportswashing. It's all about the global project of making image about UAE, same as Saudis doing. Unfortunately, for many people in the World, and now we see it a lot in different EU speres, people chose money over anything and let this sportswashing happen again and again. Sad to see this tendency. It's basically a soft cultural propaganda that they do.
I don’t want Dubai mostly because of no financial protection whatsoever for the league. NBA is great because can guarantee a certain amount of equality, Europe no (domestic leagues titles are ridiculous, more interesting 3rd 4th places) and EuroLeague overcame this issues comparing clubs of similar dimension, but if they really want to get Dubai they should get first a salary cap, collective contracts, trades, etc, nothing you can do in 1 year. If Dubai comes in, I would likely switch to Fiba Champions League (or just stop following pro basketball)
Lmao, obviously there won't be cap. Just imagine paying 150 million and then being told what to do. Basketball is a business, and every club with an A license wants its piece of Arabian cake. If it wasn't all about money, then they would keep Partizan and Zvezda in the league. Both presidents of Partizan and Zvezda have publicly confirmed what they discussed in the podcast through the media. The decision has already been made, and the chances of the Arab team playing this year are 50-50.
Rytis is %100 right but the reality is that money is essential to keeping the Euroleague going strong into the future. There are a lot of teams that can't compete with Real Madrid because of the resources they have but because of tradition, other clubs understand that is the way of the league. Dubai may not have the history but they do offer opportunity for growth and revenue. Let's not act like some clubs have issues in paying their players because of profit and infrastructure.
Euroleague needs enlargement to 24 teams, and it needs to be split into 2 divisions. For us Europeans it is always interesting when a new club appears in the league. EL should not be a closed league...
If Euroleague allows Dubai to join it means its all about the money, they should stop milking atmosphere and passion on Partizan games and go and do that wih club from Dubai, Euroleague is showing that passion and tradition and love for the basketball comes second after the MONEY!
In my opinion, ideal situation for European basketball would be something similar to UCL system. So shortly, best leagues in Europe (Endesa, Turkish, Greek, Lithuanian, ABA...) would have 1 to 3 spots guaranteed every year (based on results from lets say previous 5 years) while champions from other leagues would have an opportunity to earn their spots thought 1 or more qualifying rounds. That way, every year the league would be consisted of best teams. In current format, let's say Bayern can finish last in German League and still play in Euroleague next season, while, for example, some team from Poland can be one of the best teams in the continent but they pretty much don't have a way to qualify. Basketball is growing in popularity in Europe, and while it's not near a football level yet, if UEFA can make a fair system like that (without licensed clubs) profitable for anyone, it's probably possible for Euroleage or whatever organization that would implement this.
Eurocup winner gets promoted and the runner up plays with the second worst euroleague team for the spot, to keep it fresh, there is no real punishment for the bad teams now, then really every game would matter. With this kind of cycle there would be new markets to reach within Europe and this Euroasialeague fuckery isn't necessary, I know the money is not comperable, but international competions are incoherent enough in my oppinion and not well-structured like the UEFA competitons, I believe that's a big issue.
How do you expect them to punish two teams from leading European countries? It's obvious that Partizan and Zvezda will be flying, maybe one team that wins the ABA league will play until CSKA returns.
It´s a damn sandy shit hole in the middle of nowhere. And most important it´s not in Europe.I still don´t know why we have teams out of Europe in the Euroleague.
EUROleague, should be as euro as possible. What the hell is going on? Find sponsors by letting old clubs enter the tournament. Change the format. Grand zvezda and partizan longer contracts. Whatever it takes but in the f europe we live. Its like a serbian league to let a chinese team to enter their competition because it will bring money. Absolutely ridiculous.
Consider who is gona watch those games in Dubai ? Arena could be filled with guests fans because Dubai has no fans. Look MotoGP, look Formula 1. Stands are pretty much empty, both in Doha, Abudabi and Bahrein, even though these sports are hosted there for years now. No basketball culture in these regions, no fanbase...
no need of asian teams.. for instance Baskonia will play against strong european teams such as panathinaikos athens, real madrid , partizan beligrade, and then will play against a team called 'Dubai Tigers' with 7 hours flight just to get there.. euroleague will lost its authenticity
And there you can see the shortsideness and idiocracy of politics: Eiroleague need new big market, money influx and etc. Well there you have CSKA from Russia, with huge market of 150 million people, and even wider if you take in concideration ex-Soviet republics. 1. That is top quallity basketball team, 2. a lot of money behind it, 3. and very real and tangible potential for marketing, TV rights etc. And CSKA is not some Frankenstein that will be patched with lot of money for short experiment, but team with tradition and strong national league behind it... So if Euroleague thinks to have a future, it have to go for French (although there is no more a lot of moeny there, there is a lot of basketball) and Russian "market", I am afraid Dubai experiment, or as they are proposing London and England, would be just short term financial patchess without any actual development or basketball benefit in there, and without any imaginable future for that experiments. I cannot see football nation of British Island ever invest in basketball even 100 part of what are they investing in football, and I don't see UAE or Saudis developing leagues and teams, it will be just short term marketing venture, that will be closed very fast because of one very important fact: arena in Dubai would be empty... They could extend or work out first several games to get a crowd, but eventually, Dubai arena will be spooky empty space during Euroleague games, as it is in Germany when they don't have guests with highly motivated funs... P. S. Even Germany is total miss. Arenas in Germany are full for Euroleague games only when Turkish or Serbian teams come, and you can see the matches where whole arena in Munich is filled with Turks or Serbs on the night that are supposed to be exclusive night for funs of domestic German team... But it seems German teams literary are uncapable to gather 20 k people for their games, even world cahampion title of National German Team did absolutely nothing to change popularity of basketball in Germany...
We already have Israel and Turkey, why not add one more Asian country to euro league? They have crazy Philippino bball fans in Dubai and they can do better than Alba…
How many EU basketball fans are living in UAE? Everyone would enjoy watching a high-quality game. The way the Euroleague is structured is not sustainable guys.....organisations must make profits that is business. otherwise, European basketball is a losing addiction for the clubs.
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why do you list only Serbian fans, if you are basketball fans you should also be against that project! It doesn't matter if it's Serbian teams or any other teams from Europe, Dubai does not belong to European basketball! I think that Croatia deserves to have a representative before Dubai and London!! Why don't they make a league like the NBA? Even then, Dubai does not deserve to be in the Euroleague! They should change their name and be called World-moneyleague!
EuroLeague doesn’t need to change its perfect right now we don’t need a Dubai team
I liked the old system with group phases and longer playoffs even more, but the current format is very competitive also. Definitely a the direction like the one now proposed is the first step to the destruction of this competition.
It's not perfect though from an economical persective. For a team to have F4 material it either gets founding from their country's goverments, have a football club behind(like real and barcelona) or owned by someone with lots of money. Teams are not self sustainable and that's a big problem.
Every club in euroleague are loosing millions… So, there is a problem
@@miks7791 thank you. sport is a business. "great atmosphere" doesn't pay the bills.
@@sportsunfiltered1313 in nba pays 🤷♂️
As Euroleague fans, no, we don't need a Dubai club. It's bad for the league, it's bad for other teams, it's bad for the sport.
Not a single argument follows your statements... Truly valid criticism
@@bluerie I have a lot of argunents... But most of them were already addressed in the video so I didn't wish to reiterate them. But since you asked, I will. Having a team from the Emirates that has a ridiculous budget compared to other teams and can just form a 'superteam' is not good for the sport. Having a team with no fanbase and no culture is not representative of the Euroleague. Also, if a team from the Emirates enters the league, one of the existing teams has to exit. So, which one do you throw out? How do you decide? Does Valencia go? Villeurbanne? Alba? Or one of the Serbian teams? Would you rather have a game played in Dubai instead of Stark arena?
@@nickklavdianos5136 It is evident that it will be Partizan and Zvezda. They are replacements for CSKA.
I think its very good for the Euroleague. Dubai club will pay a club with an A license a million and Euroleague is getting 200 million not 150. The teams can buy better players and they can atract better players and the league will grow. I mean yes the dubai clubs can overpower by buying players. Its not as good for the teams but good for the Euroleague
@@nickklavdianos5136 it will make other teams get better players and more competitive so they can beat Dubai.
Rytis is 100% true in his rant.
Thanks Rytis for the reality check - at last - Donatas needed it 😂
BRAVO Rytis!!!! Right to the point 🎯🎯 All that is just a cheap advertisement for Dubai and their airline company.
The same example you have in cycling. They have cycling UAE team with best riders, and it much cheaper/better advert comparing to advertising on BBC or CNN, etc.
IMHO, Euroleague should work on re-establishing classical derbies in Euroleage that exists for decades like one in Bologna, exYugoslav teams, another Lithuanian club, etc. It's not instant money but it's a secure long term vision.
Im with Rytis on this one
I don't think anyone in their right mind would want this
There are so many historic clubs in Europe that could join Euroleague instead. And in general cities where basketball is very popular. F.e. I think it's a shame that Thessaloniki isn't represented in the league.
Euroleague should tap asian market… if Euroleague want to be bigger, make it visible to asia…
It is EUROleague. If they want to spread on other continents, better to create new competition WORLDleague.
@@zifix7971why not? The only way that basketball can tap their full potential on rivalling football for viewership.. imagine best in Europe playing best pro league team in Asia or in Australia or in Latin Americas… that is why football is the most popular sport in the world right now… they have legit intercontinental event for professional ball clubs aside for competition for national teams… and if successful, then involving NBA team is the final nail in the coffin to make a tournament ala champions league
You can’t say that other clubs like Serbian ones or other non share holders need to prove their merit, organizational structure, sustainability etc. and then introduce Dubai club because of the money. It’s double standards. Make up your mind what you want…
Imagine flying 6 hours for an Euroleague game in a double game week. Should rather focus on solving the conflict with FIBA. Dubai won’t solve more crucial issues for the Euroleague
Tere is de nothing to solve with fiba
They are scum that was defeated 20 years ago
Rytis is absoluty correct here
Rytis is Charles Barkley, Augustas is Kenny and Donatas is Ernie 😁…
Of course, I’m 100% with Rytis. Give to Zvezda and Partizan 6 years deals and you’ll get the sponsors from Serbia that will provide you even more money… 25 mils per season is ridiculously low to completely change shape of the league we know… Actually that move might be the actual end of the league☝🏻
exactly, its crazy serbian teams dont have fixed contracts. Top talent, top fans, thats the sustainable way of building. We already have rich teams with no fans...
So Urbonas and Donatas is the same guy, the other guy, on the right is Augustas
@@pyje3487 thank you, fixed 🙂
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Its just absurd that we even have to debate Dubai.
No future for the Euroleague??? Hasn’t viewership increased like 45% this year?
100% with Rytis!!!
We don’t need any other clowns in Euroleague. Especially those who don’t have any clue about basketball.
Sportswashing. Thank you for pointing it out.
Its not just Serbian fans. I am Bulgarian and not assuring Zvezda and Partizan a place in the league is very wrong. Teams like ALBA and Asvel show no progress and are definitley Eurocup level even Champions league for ALBA. Dubai can be interesting project but sacrificing tradition for money is very wrong and that goes back to teams like ALBA and Asvel and others. The hypocricity of the EL owners is very obvious . Honestly as a true basketball fan sseeing Partizan ,Zvezda,Olympiacos,Panathinaikos, Zalgiris, Fenerbahche is a must see experience that equals no money. Keep both Serbian teams,add Dubai and London and relegate Asvel and Alba. This should make everyone happy.Pretty sure money and interest will be much higher than Alba and Asvel games. Plus those two destinations are much more attractive and wattract much more investment and people than ALBA and ASVLE ever will.
ALBA and Germany is a bigger market than Serbia, thats just how it is. Also ALBA does not have the money partizan ( with their gambling sponsor ) has . SO talking about money interests is kind of hypocritical.
ASVEL has the A License I think. Is it even possible for them to be relegated?
@henningts Market that is not producing . Pretty sure both London Lions and Dubai have much bigger potential to create much more revenue and investments than Berlin ever will. No one in London will go to watch London vs. Alba .I can bet London vs Partizan, Real, Fenerbahçe, Zalgiris, will. While despite Serbia being small country , it is basketball powerhouse with traditions will attract much more fans. Doubt Germans will ever go to O2 arena. I won't go to watch Alba even if they pay me.
@@geheimerotschildechse2283 Hopefully they find a way to relegate tgem . Alba also has A level I think
the basketball team from Paris is going strong this year. This city also has a huge market, so instead of Asvel we might see Paris SG
Dubai is the soulless city in the world, don't be fooled by what do you see
As a "European" Basketball fan from Istanbul, I would Not like to see a club from somewhere that has not basketball culture. Regarding business aspect a million euro or lets say five million euro at total really does not wort it. On the other hand quality of basketball will be missed and European basketball will lose value in long run. As a basketball fan we don't need another Mirotic with 5 milion euro. I am happy with low budget but high basketball IQ team like Zalgris in a way Alba Berlin(not this season), also style of Monaco disturbs me. Also time by time my club Anadolu Efes disturbs me as well I would like to see more local players, still I think we contribute basketball here.
I believe main reason that behind Euroleague clubs poor financial status is about advertising
You are right but it's called Constantinople. Not redbul.
Aye. Few hundred years ago@@giokun100
Well said Gytis
Maccabi was and it's exemption, although they shouldn't play Euroligue too, Euroleague is for European teams , we don't need Dubai or anything else , its becoming circus, we don't need NBA and trash theatre atmosphere like in half of the current sport arenas ( like in Monaco, Berlin, Lyon, Milano ) ...
About Dubai theme, Donatas should really come better prepared on podcasts, Rytis wiped the floor with him on this topic.
I think it is just "good cop-bad cop" strategy, they do not want to be 100% labeled as racists in 2024 bro. They have to remain THE voice of european basketball fans!
No Dubai nobody wants this sh*😤
Belgrade Derby is a must have in the Euroleague ☝🏽
Euroleague is a European league and it should stay that way. Having Maccabi Tel Aviv in the league is weird enough already.
a potential double week could be your team traveling on Tuesday in Dubai and on Thursday in Spain.
The guy in green t-shirt is 100% right! Let's be honest Arabs are not intrasted in basketball(If it is horse races or some traditional sport that they love ok) but for them it is just one more project for their "soft power"
On short term Euroleague gets more money, but long tirm it lose much more.
We know we will be kicked out of the Euroleague; it's only a matter of time. They are also negotiating about joining the ABA league.
Euroleague would be stupid if they will kick out Serbian teams. Asvel and Alba shouldn't play in Euroleague.
@@Linksmakalnietis The administrations of Partizan and Crvena zvezda are talking about this publicly. It is evident that every club with an A license is looking out for their own interests, and the money from Dubai is more than welcome to them.
We?
@@imulippo5245 Zvezda and Partizan
@@LuL796 you're personally part of those teams?
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This is the first time that I agree with Rytis.
In few years we gonna watch euroleague final Dubai vs Rhyad
European league but middle eastern team? Logic left the chat
maccabi?
@@bomambadriftexactly lol wtf is that evil country doing in Euroleague anyways
@@bomambadrift Increase league to 20+ teams and no problem
National Basketball Association but Canadian team
Well, nba is a usa organization and has added canadian teams. Actually the nba champions a few years back was Toronto.
Thanks for your time guys and for showing up such subjects.
A sport becomes a show when somebody will watch it, and becomes a busynes when somebody pays for it. Another profesion. There,s way deeper sociopolitical issues about it though...
Dubai project is a farce, imo Euroleague should concentrate to promote the sport in Paris and London (the 2 biggest cities in western Europe), there isn't a culture yet (Football is too strong there) but there is real potential.
Salary cap first, and only then accepting Dubai team would be more logical.
You can't prevent Dubai from paying them under the table in all sorts of ways. They can just get supposed 'consultancy' or 'sponsorship' deals actually financed by Dubai.
If Dubai will get the team Ryadh and Doha will be next in the queue immediately
You are missing the point, basketball players are some of the most well known athletes in the world like LeBron and Steph. If Middle East countries were able to sign football players like Neymar and Cristiano, in their heads, the only thing stopping them from signing the nba superstars is a basketball team.
In my opinion, this is their end goal.
So if we are including more asian teams, should it be renamed as EuroAsiaLeague?
Eurasia would be the name you're looking for.
If Dubai comes in Euroleague, it will be end of basketball and Euroleague will lose millions of fans.
Instead of that I have solution to them.
1) Alba, Asvel and Maccabi(until war finish) out of league.
2)Put in Paris and London if you want new markets.
3) Bring back CSKA Moscow
4) Make league with 24 teams separated in groups
5) Force derbies and clubs with history(PAOK - Aris, Fortitudo) don't look just for money because it will have bad boomerang effect.
6) Give Partizan and Zvezda A licenses. Every true basketball fan want every year to watch best basketball derby in the world. And also they have big fan armies all around the world.
Lol, it's already done, they will join. The winner of the ABA league will play until CSKA returns.
I have recently moved to Dubai and I have mixed feelings about this idea. From one side, Dubai is a very multicultural city, 89% of the population is foreign and for what I have seen there is demand for basketball and the street courts are always busy and let’s be honest, I would love to watch live an euroleague game every other week! From another side, creating a project from zero will be hard and might not get results right away but it will ve a very appealing destination for players, there are no taxes on salaries here…
Dubai is just a quick buck for the shareholders and EL board. I can understand that EL is willing to "put up" with Alba in hopes to promote basketball in Germany, which is not only a rich country but also a big population, potential base for future talents etc... I don't think we will ever see a UAE world talent emerging from Dubai, nor we will ever see UAE caught up in some basketball fever... But it is possible that we get a EL team for washed up NBA stars, or extreme rise in EL contracts for players which will hit the likes of Zvezda, Partizan or Zalgiris the hardest... We could also see Dubai and some other team taking Serbian clubs spots in EL, which can lead to depopularization of basketball in one of the few real basketball nations in Europe...
Basketball won't get less popular in Serbia because we don't play Euroleague,only Euroleague will🤣 Our Basketball is much more than one bad competition.
Arabs need sportswashing and Euroleague execs need Arab money. Perfect mutualistic relationship here.
If they make the exception for this team and let a 19th in I’ll legit stop watching
Why would this Euroleague not survive?
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Because the team from Dubai will have a much bigger budget and the others won't be able to compete
Does EuroLeague Really Need Dubai Project?: NO!!!!!
No one will watch that. The team from Dubai has no history of playing in the EL. For me, it would not be an EL match. It will be a circus. I am sick of their ideas for money.
#ODJEBITE
Dubai is not in Europe, so no EUROleague for them!
It boggles my mind that Euroleague can’t put together a team of 4-5 people who understands sports business and European basketball culture and how to generate money enough to make this league self sustainable. This is not a rocket science.
Riyadh,Jeddah,Doha,Shangai next 🥰😍😍
Dubai has no native Emirati basketball fan base, true. But what it does have is 450,000 overseas Filipino workers. More than enough to fill the 17,000 seat Coca-Cola Arena.
This gives some credence to the rumors that BC Dubai will be signing 2023-2024 Japan B-League Most Outstanding Asian Player awardee Thirdy Ravena, who is a Filipino.
Imagine baskonia players having to travel to dubai to play😂 way too long
Personally, I think that since the beginning of the Euroleague season, it has started to change to a lower level.
Inserting a play-in was completely unnecessary, no one even asked for it, just a way to squeeze as much money as possible. Now this with Dubaji is a shame. I am a fan of Partizan and I think that it is really a big disrespect for many teams who have to be not good but excellent all season in order to maybe enter or stay in the league. The part with the giving of money is just another move to make the Euroleague a bigger market and thus more "interesting" and "accessible" to the rest of the world. If this continues, we will only get another NBA league full of teams that are not there because of the quality or the fans, but because of money.
Of course not
My man Rytis AKA The Slicer is correct! Dubai - too much, too risky. FIBA -Asia disagrees! Better the give them the opportunity to invest or potentially buy Euro teams, better way to bring more money in and keep the Euro geography and consistency!
This wont do good for euroleague in the long run unless they impose some kind of salary cap. Bringing teams with big money but no crowd and no basketball culture is not the right way to go forward.
We don't give a damn about Dubai and we as fans don't care about petrol money
I don't get this idea of looking for other markets. Nobody outside of Europe is going to consistently watch Eurolegue games outside of maybe the Final Four (in real passionate basketball countries). Focus on Europe!
There are many fans in Asia…
@@robertotampioc7318 and you expect them to watch Eurolegue games?!? Over 400 boys and girls playing in the youth team of my club in Italy I expect 10 of them to watch a Eurolegue match every week. Those people must be the target. Not some guy from Japan, Dubai or India.
@@fedesampi00… do you know that there are many expats in Dubai… especially Chinese, Lebanese and Filipinos that loves basketball… the reason why they can’t watch because of time difference… if Euroleague was time friendly to Asian market, it will be bigger… do you watch last World Cup? Asian fans loves European style of game… Basketball in Asia is huge bro… In China, 625 million are basketball fans there, while 90% of Filipinos loves basketball… They just only want to watch NBA due to friendly schedule due to time difference
@@robertotampioc7318 yeah but they watch the nba and their national league, not Eurolegue. Anyway, in my opinion the potential to grow the fanbase is much larger here in Europe compared to abroad
@@fedesampi00 because of time difference… who will watch Euroleague games on 2 am in East pacific coast line? Asia has the biggest market in basketball.. look where the World Cup was placed since 2019? All in Asia and in 2027 will held also in Qatar… FIBA knows where the market is right now… For sure Dubai is not the end game for Euroleague… I’m sure they have plans expanding in Asia too…
Thank you Rytis for your opinion.
There is no sports culture in Dubai, they just doing sportswashing. It's all about the global project of making image about UAE, same as Saudis doing.
Unfortunately, for many people in the World, and now we see it a lot in different EU speres, people chose money over anything and let this sportswashing happen again and again.
Sad to see this tendency. It's basically a soft cultural propaganda that they do.
Thank you Rytis for calling it exactly what it is, sportswashing.
I don’t want Dubai mostly because of no financial protection whatsoever for the league. NBA is great because can guarantee a certain amount of equality, Europe no (domestic leagues titles are ridiculous, more interesting 3rd 4th places) and EuroLeague overcame this issues comparing clubs of similar dimension, but if they really want to get Dubai they should get first a salary cap, collective contracts, trades, etc, nothing you can do in 1 year. If Dubai comes in, I would likely switch to Fiba Champions League (or just stop following pro basketball)
Lmao, obviously there won't be cap. Just imagine paying 150 million and then being told what to do. Basketball is a business, and every club with an A license wants its piece of Arabian cake. If it wasn't all about money, then they would keep Partizan and Zvezda in the league. Both presidents of Partizan and Zvezda have publicly confirmed what they discussed in the podcast through the media. The decision has already been made, and the chances of the Arab team playing this year are 50-50.
Dubai has a Kafala system for workers getting treated like slaves, Rytis showed integrity while Donatas on the other hand def didn't.
could you make a history lesson video about the FIBA-EuroLeague dispute?
Dubai is not Europe, end of story
1 million per season is nothing
See it’s fine that Dubai doesn’t get a club but there is basketball in Dubai since the past two global nba games in the uae have been sold out twice
Rytis, all drinks on us when you come to Belgrade! :)
Rytis is %100 right but the reality is that money is essential to keeping the Euroleague going strong into the future. There are a lot of teams that can't compete with Real Madrid because of the resources they have but because of tradition, other clubs understand that is the way of the league. Dubai may not have the history but they do offer opportunity for growth and revenue. Let's not act like some clubs have issues in paying their players because of profit and infrastructure.
Euroleague needs enlargement to 24 teams, and it needs to be split into 2 divisions. For us Europeans it is always interesting when a new club appears in the league. EL should not be a closed league...
Absolutely Rytis. All about the money. What a sham
Euroleague means european league right? The idea makes absolut 0 sense.
Just create an Orientleague or Asialeague.
Major boycott if this happens
If Euroleague allows Dubai to join it means its all about the money, they should stop milking atmosphere and passion on Partizan games and go and do that wih club from Dubai, Euroleague is showing that passion and tradition and love for the basketball comes second after the MONEY!
More investment in Euroleague isn't necessarily a bad thing.
You are talking about basketball and every second word is money and market. But there is one good thing about that, Euroleague speed up herself end
I'm getting tired of Dubai ruining sports with their oil money
No... Serbia is basket country
Sure they do. Dubai>Belgrade, cause of "stability"
In my opinion, ideal situation for European basketball would be something similar to UCL system.
So shortly, best leagues in Europe (Endesa, Turkish, Greek, Lithuanian, ABA...) would have 1 to 3 spots guaranteed every year (based on results from lets say previous 5 years) while champions from other leagues would have an opportunity to earn their spots thought 1 or more qualifying rounds.
That way, every year the league would be consisted of best teams. In current format, let's say Bayern can finish last in German League and still play in Euroleague next season, while, for example, some team from Poland can be one of the best teams in the continent but they pretty much don't have a way to qualify.
Basketball is growing in popularity in Europe, and while it's not near a football level yet, if UEFA can make a fair system like that (without licensed clubs) profitable for anyone, it's probably possible for Euroleage or whatever organization that would implement this.
Donatas a paid actor 🤡
Shall we change the name of the league too?
The team that is missing from Euroleague is CSKA Moscow.
We do not need and want Dubai, we have more traditional clubs in europe
Eurocup winner gets promoted and the runner up plays with the second worst euroleague team for the spot, to keep it fresh, there is no real punishment for the bad teams now, then really every game would matter. With this kind of cycle there would be new markets to reach within Europe and this Euroasialeague fuckery isn't necessary, I know the money is not comperable, but international competions are incoherent enough in my oppinion and not well-structured like the UEFA competitons, I believe that's a big issue.
How do you expect them to punish two teams from leading European countries? It's obvious that Partizan and Zvezda will be flying, maybe one team that wins the ABA league will play until CSKA returns.
For them it's just the advertisement of how much money they have, and to us it's the way of life.... crazy Serbs ftw!
I don't agree with a rich Dubai club joining the Euroleague but then again, there's Maccabi from Israel and 2 Turkish clubs in the Euroleague.
It´s a damn sandy shit hole in the middle of nowhere. And most important it´s not in Europe.I still don´t know why we have teams out of Europe in the Euroleague.
EUROleague, should be as euro as possible. What the hell is going on? Find sponsors by letting old clubs enter the tournament. Change the format. Grand zvezda and partizan longer contracts. Whatever it takes but in the f europe we live. Its like a serbian league to let a chinese team to enter their competition because it will bring money. Absolutely ridiculous.
It would ruin the sport of badketball
Dubai? No thanks 😊
Consider who is gona watch those games in Dubai ? Arena could be filled with guests fans because Dubai has no fans. Look MotoGP, look Formula 1. Stands are pretty much empty, both in Doha, Abudabi and Bahrein, even though these sports are hosted there for years now. No basketball culture in these regions, no fanbase...
Ridiculous! Someone has to pay for the show, but they are doing well. Plus, it seems to be widely consensual that 1M€ is not that much money. Bad idea
Rytis, mate, you nailed it. Cheap advertisement, indeed.
no need of asian teams.. for instance Baskonia will play against strong european teams such as panathinaikos athens, real madrid , partizan beligrade, and then will play against a team called 'Dubai Tigers' with 7 hours flight just to get there.. euroleague will lost its authenticity
And there you can see the shortsideness and idiocracy of politics: Eiroleague need new big market, money influx and etc. Well there you have CSKA from Russia, with huge market of 150 million people, and even wider if you take in concideration ex-Soviet republics. 1. That is top quallity basketball team, 2. a lot of money behind it, 3. and very real and tangible potential for marketing, TV rights etc. And CSKA is not some Frankenstein that will be patched with lot of money for short experiment, but team with tradition and strong national league behind it...
So if Euroleague thinks to have a future, it have to go for French (although there is no more a lot of moeny there, there is a lot of basketball) and Russian "market", I am afraid Dubai experiment, or as they are proposing London and England, would be just short term financial patchess without any actual development or basketball benefit in there, and without any imaginable future for that experiments. I cannot see football nation of British Island ever invest in basketball even 100 part of what are they investing in football, and I don't see UAE or Saudis developing leagues and teams, it will be just short term marketing venture, that will be closed very fast because of one very important fact: arena in Dubai would be empty... They could extend or work out first several games to get a crowd, but eventually, Dubai arena will be spooky empty space during Euroleague games, as it is in Germany when they don't have guests with highly motivated funs...
P. S. Even Germany is total miss. Arenas in Germany are full for Euroleague games only when Turkish or Serbian teams come, and you can see the matches where whole arena in Munich is filled with Turks or Serbs on the night that are supposed to be exclusive night for funs of domestic German team... But it seems German teams literary are uncapable to gather 20 k people for their games, even world cahampion title of National German Team did absolutely nothing to change popularity of basketball in Germany...
We already have Israel and Turkey, why not add one more Asian country to euro league? They have crazy Philippino bball fans in Dubai and they can do better than Alba…
Dude in the blue shirt needs a reality check
Salary Cap is needed
We don't need a team from Dubai,for God's sake.This is ridiculous
How can donatas be that naive considering sports washing @ UAE and Saudi??
How many EU basketball fans are living in UAE? Everyone would enjoy watching a high-quality game. The way the Euroleague is structured is not sustainable guys.....organisations must make profits that is business. otherwise, European basketball is a losing addiction for the clubs.