I've been riding for years and have developed habits like looking ahead and anticipating risks well in advance. The result is that it's very rare for me to be in an emergency braking situation. I have friends who take their clapped out SV650s to track day several times over the summer. Their braking skills are much better than mine will ever be. I love these new technologies that provide an extra level of safety when I have to use the brakes hard. I don't notice them during normal riding and they're there to help when called upon.
I absolutely agree. I am 70 and have been riding since I was 14 (1968). I am a surgeon and have seen patients with serious injuries that could have been avoided if they were wearing proper protective gear
I have had ABS on all of my bikes except for a 2003 Road Glide and my current 2005 Road King. My ‘18 R1200GSA has all of the electro gizmos (ABS, Quick shifter, stabilization things, multiple ride modes/adjustable suspension ). All of electro gizmos give me pause to think if something goes out, but it makes riding pretty seamless. I am Always conscious of no electro aids on the RK and give myself a little cushion in order to stop in time especially in the wet. Not having a slipper clutch becomes apparent when you aggressively downshift and the back end skips out 😂😂😂. Love em Both. The Harley has cruise control though so we have some convenience features. I do slow speed practice every time I take one of em out, it really helps your confidence at all speeds.
ABS is there to help you when you grab a hand full of brake when you have no time to react and tell yourself to not lock up the front wheel. Nothing wrong with ABS. Sorry.
I got my 1st Tpuring Harley recently and i love the vehicle hold and having the TPMS is a nice thing to have too.ABS is nice to have also.Just a bit of relief knowing if you have to grab the front brake level hard that it wont lock up.
Couldn’t agree with you more. I will take any aid as a backstop as I am far from being as good a rider as Kyle Wyman. I’ve taken to going to parking lots to practice U turns and ninety degree turns as I want to be confident doing those things if I have to do so in an emergency. That said I still need a lot of practice!
I totally agree with you. Rider aids are there to try and save your life and your passenger's life and to help you have better control of your motorcycle in an emergency situation. I'm guilty of not practicing enough.
I don't practice slow speed handling like I should, but do practice emergency stops. Luckily my RK has RDRS because last year a deer came from nowhere and missed t-boning it by inches. The APS portion of RDRS did kick in. Also, I do where all the gear all the time, partly because tattoos are expensive and I don't want to lose them to road rash.
I have 22 Road Glide Limited.I love having ABS, dont wanna be without it, my last few bike have had it. The hill hold is nice too when loaded and 2up. I have rain mode and havent used it, but at this point i like the idea. TPMA is a no brainer to me, saves a lot of hassle to check pressure. With all the goons in cages driving like they do, Ill take the help.
My biggest problem with all these aids is the same as with cars. It makes it so people don't have to think about what they are doing. I learned to drive when cruise control was a pretty nifty thing and abs wasn't even a thing. Now they have cars that brake for you, let you know when something is in your blindspot, limit your throttle under certain conditions, hell... they even park themselves for you! Teslas DRIVE FOR YOU! People keep getting dumber about driving. If bikers go the same route, they're gonna end up distracted riders and abs, traction control and all that crap isn't gonna save you. Learn throttle control. Learn braking. Practice it. Keep riding. Use your head, not your tech.
I get all the new options on a bike and I appreciate those options if available on a bike. But...I also ride with caution and change the way I ride depending on the weather or other obstacles. Like I ride a little different when my wife is on the back compaired to being solo. But...being that I am aware of these things...having options like this on a bike my hinder an old rider. Just because he is used to his skills when shit goes south and the bike takes over may also cause an issue in a situation. As I do agree with what you are saying...a person should also know what they are buying..
90% of riders I have met figured out how to make the bike move and stay up and left it at that. Rider aids are great they help us the make up that oops time in our response. I have been riding 30 years and practice all the time stopping slow speed maneuvering and swerving. I can’t tell you how meany times I have gone into a reducing radius corner to fast or locked a tire in an emergency. Every rider makes mistakes.
Nothing wrong with safety enhancements. Mostly because riding in urban areas or on the freeways with the myriad of inattentive drivers can be incredibly dangerous and challenging nowadays. It seems to be getting worse and worse each day.
As for some Harley riders not liking these features, well most of them are just horrible at riding. I have met more worse riders on these bikes than other types and brands. Having had bikes with ABS since the nineties I have never concerned myself about it and that is the key to these rider aids is that they are unobtrusive.
Your if/then matrix is non sequitur.... I've +35 years on 2 wheels, on and off road, long distance travel, desert racing, motocross, sport bikes and crushers vintage and modern.... I despise the rider aids and think they breed less competent and less skilled riders.
Rider aids are just that. They do not take the place of your responsibility to ride safe. Your responsibility to practice skills and get good enough to not need or lean on the rider aids. So, the aids on the bike are just a backup to your practiced skills.
Never had ANY Rider Aids....Never needed them....And with me its translate into Cost...Wonder how much a Brand New HD without riders aids would be?....Probably under 20K....Remember the price of a New Electra Glide Standard was?....HD doesnt make it anymore....I wonder why?
continued education and training??? Surely you jest! I want to ride 2000 miles a year and everyone of those rides be 10 miles to a bar and then 10 miles to another bar and then home and throw my feet up and get drunk and tell everyone that I'm a motorcycle rider-said the average Harley Davidson owner
ABS reducing risk is actually untrue. No one wants to admit it, but ABS is actually one of the biggest factors in 100% of cases of accidents. Essentially ABS bikes are the most common bikes that are involved in accidents. The main reason is coming in too hot through a corner where you need to brake. If you brake untill the point where the ABS kicks in then you will 100% never ever be able to physically turn the wheel. Why? Because when braking so hard even when ankered, you’re still pushing so much force on the handlebars that it’ll break before you’ll be able to turn it. And considering that brake length also extends by 10% usually means you will go straight out of that turn. This is literally the biggest cause of accidents. So statistically ABS actually causes more accidents then it prevents. And that’s cold hard truth no one wants to admit. On cars it may be beneficial because then you’re not pushing on the steering axle meaning you can still turn. So whilst good on a car, it is stupidly dangerous on motorcycles.
Agreed 100%. Naive riders believe riders aids are for their safety and to keep them from accidents. Anytime you ride there is an element of danger with or without "rider aids.". Rider aids contribute to over confident riding resulting in accidents and some fatalities.
Too many motorcycle riders' aids during these times for just about anything you can think of. What unnecessary concoction will be next? These "aids' lead to diminished motorcycle riding skills for the less experienced riders and contributes to dangerous sense of false confidence for the unskilled riders and some skilled riders. In my opinion, this situation with the addition of superfluous Rider AIDS may increase the risk of accidents for some riders with the very aids they were designed for the accudents to avoid. Such technological addtions to motorcycles increases the number of failure points that always comes with higher maintenance costs, plus the ever increasing sales price of a new motorcycle. I'm fortunate I've lived most of my life during a generation of no nonsense manufactured motorcycles to ride and enjoy the freedom that comes with such 2-Wheelers. A lot less maintenance costs too to enjoy riding. Our Government has become gargantuan and meddling too far in irrelevant matters to sustain themselves, and ever expand more to interfere and encroach on our freedoms.
I've been riding for years and have developed habits like looking ahead and anticipating risks well in advance. The result is that it's very rare for me to be in an emergency braking situation. I have friends who take their clapped out SV650s to track day several times over the summer. Their braking skills are much better than mine will ever be. I love these new technologies that provide an extra level of safety when I have to use the brakes hard. I don't notice them during normal riding and they're there to help when called upon.
I absolutely agree. I am 70 and have been riding since I was 14 (1968). I am a surgeon and have seen patients with serious injuries that could have been avoided if they were wearing proper protective gear
You don’t need “Rider Aids” until you need them.
I have had ABS on all of my bikes except for a 2003 Road Glide and my current 2005 Road King. My ‘18 R1200GSA has all of the electro gizmos (ABS, Quick shifter, stabilization things, multiple ride modes/adjustable suspension ). All of electro gizmos give me pause to think if something goes out, but it makes riding pretty seamless. I am Always conscious of no electro aids on the RK and give myself a little cushion in order to stop in time especially in the wet. Not having a slipper clutch becomes apparent when you aggressively downshift and the back end skips out 😂😂😂. Love em
Both. The Harley has cruise control though so we have some convenience features. I do slow speed practice every time I take one of em out, it really helps your confidence at all speeds.
ABS is there to help you when you grab a hand full of brake when you have no time to react and tell yourself to not lock up the front wheel. Nothing wrong with ABS. Sorry.
I got my 1st Tpuring Harley recently and i love the vehicle hold and having the TPMS is a nice thing to have too.ABS is nice to have also.Just a bit of relief knowing if you have to grab the front brake level hard that it wont lock up.
Couldn’t agree with you more. I will take any aid as a backstop as I am far from being as good a rider as Kyle Wyman. I’ve taken to going to parking lots to practice U turns and ninety degree turns as I want to be confident doing those things if I have to do so in an emergency. That said I still need a lot of practice!
I totally agree with you. Rider aids are there to try and save your life and your passenger's life and to help you have better control of your motorcycle in an emergency situation. I'm guilty of not practicing enough.
1:28 I use rain mode on my 2024 Road Glide when I'm on dirt, gravel or grass
I don't practice slow speed handling like I should, but do practice emergency stops. Luckily my RK has RDRS because last year a deer came from nowhere and missed t-boning it by inches. The APS portion of RDRS did kick in. Also, I do where all the gear all the time, partly because tattoos are expensive and I don't want to lose them to road rash.
I've grown to appreciate ABS and I think Indians rear cylinder deactivation is a super good idea.
I have 22 Road Glide Limited.I love having ABS, dont wanna be without it, my last few bike have had it. The hill hold is nice too when loaded and 2up. I have rain mode and havent used it, but at this point i like the idea. TPMA is a no brainer to me, saves a lot of hassle to check pressure. With all the goons in cages driving like they do, Ill take the help.
Most that complain don’t even have the feature.
My biggest problem with all these aids is the same as with cars. It makes it so people don't have to think about what they are doing. I learned to drive when cruise control was a pretty nifty thing and abs wasn't even a thing. Now they have cars that brake for you, let you know when something is in your blindspot, limit your throttle under certain conditions, hell... they even park themselves for you! Teslas DRIVE FOR YOU! People keep getting dumber about driving. If bikers go the same route, they're gonna end up distracted riders and abs, traction control and all that crap isn't gonna save you. Learn throttle control. Learn braking. Practice it. Keep riding. Use your head, not your tech.
No Chieftain has cornering ABS. This has been a gripe of many Indian riders since it was introduced on the 2020 Challenger.
I get all the new options on a bike and I appreciate those options if available on a bike. But...I also ride with caution and change the way I ride depending on the weather or other obstacles. Like I ride a little different when my wife is on the back compaired to being solo. But...being that I am aware of these things...having options like this on a bike my hinder an old rider. Just because he is used to his skills when shit goes south and the bike takes over may also cause an issue in a situation. As I do agree with what you are saying...a person should also know what they are buying..
I don’t even notice them on my bike.
90% of riders I have met figured out how to make the bike move and stay up and left it at that. Rider aids are great they help us the make up that oops time in our response. I have been riding 30 years and practice all the time stopping slow speed maneuvering and swerving. I can’t tell you how meany times I have gone into a reducing radius corner to fast or locked a tire in an emergency. Every rider makes mistakes.
People drive cars so bad in my town I sure wouldn't want to be a new rider abs on front only but nothing else, 2 wheels from 1968 on
If your takeing blind corners and hills and you don't slow down your a careless rider
Nothing wrong with safety enhancements. Mostly because riding in urban areas or on the freeways with the myriad of inattentive drivers can be incredibly dangerous and challenging nowadays. It seems to be getting worse and worse each day.
A motorcycle jacket is the best rider aid
AND a GOOD helmet, good boots, and good gloves.
i dont have a problem with my rider aids
As for some Harley riders not liking these features, well most of them are just horrible at riding. I have met more worse riders on these bikes than other types and brands. Having had bikes with ABS since the nineties I have never concerned myself about it and that is the key to these rider aids is that they are unobtrusive.
Your if/then matrix is non sequitur.... I've +35 years on 2 wheels, on and off road, long distance travel, desert racing, motocross, sport bikes and crushers vintage and modern.... I despise the rider aids and think they breed less competent and less skilled riders.
Very true great video
Thanks man
Rider aids are just that. They do not take the place of your responsibility to ride safe. Your responsibility to practice skills and get good enough to not need or lean on the rider aids. So, the aids on the bike are just a backup to your practiced skills.
Never had ANY Rider Aids....Never needed them....And with me its translate into Cost...Wonder how much a Brand New HD without riders aids would be?....Probably under 20K....Remember the price of a New Electra Glide Standard was?....HD doesnt make it anymore....I wonder why?
Rider aids are another way for the manufacturer to make money and remove your freedom from buying a new bike without all the added BS.
EVO's Forever. No overteched bullshid. Wear your gear.
continued education and training??? Surely you jest! I want to ride 2000 miles a year and everyone of those rides be 10 miles to a bar and then 10 miles to another bar and then home and throw my feet up and get drunk and tell everyone that I'm a motorcycle rider-said the average Harley Davidson owner
You just need to know how to ride a bike, no bells and whistles.
ABS reducing risk is actually untrue. No one wants to admit it, but ABS is actually one of the biggest factors in 100% of cases of accidents. Essentially ABS bikes are the most common bikes that are involved in accidents. The main reason is coming in too hot through a corner where you need to brake. If you brake untill the point where the ABS kicks in then you will 100% never ever be able to physically turn the wheel. Why? Because when braking so hard even when ankered, you’re still pushing so much force on the handlebars that it’ll break before you’ll be able to turn it. And considering that brake length also extends by 10% usually means you will go straight out of that turn. This is literally the biggest cause of accidents. So statistically ABS actually causes more accidents then it prevents. And that’s cold hard truth no one wants to admit. On cars it may be beneficial because then you’re not pushing on the steering axle meaning you can still turn. So whilst good on a car, it is stupidly dangerous on motorcycles.
Agreed 100%. Naive riders believe riders aids are for their safety and to keep them from accidents. Anytime you ride there is an element of danger with or without "rider aids.". Rider aids contribute to over confident riding resulting in accidents and some fatalities.
Too many motorcycle riders' aids during these times for just about anything you can think of. What unnecessary concoction will be next? These "aids' lead to diminished motorcycle riding skills for the less experienced riders and contributes to dangerous sense of false confidence for the unskilled riders and some skilled riders.
In my opinion, this situation with the addition of superfluous Rider AIDS may increase the risk of accidents for some riders with the very aids they were designed for the accudents to avoid.
Such technological addtions to motorcycles increases the number of failure points that always comes with higher maintenance costs, plus the ever increasing sales price of a new motorcycle.
I'm fortunate I've lived most of my life during a generation of no nonsense manufactured motorcycles to ride and enjoy the freedom that comes with such 2-Wheelers. A lot less maintenance costs too to enjoy riding.
Our Government has become gargantuan and meddling too far in irrelevant matters to sustain themselves, and ever expand more to interfere and encroach on our freedoms.
riders with aids ?
Just more bullshit to go wrong and make the bike unrepairable for the owner
I’ve never had aids just hiv and my bike has abs traction control cruise control.