This is BY FAR the best DME arc tutorial on TH-cam, or maybe anywhere, including all the IFR manuals you can buy. It is crystal clear. The fact that it is over 7 years old makes it even more impressive.
I wish my instructors were this easy to understand in flight school. Perfect explanation and a perfectly executed approach. Definitely a must see for all students.
Came across this by accident. Well thought out and well orchestrated video for learning... I'd never attempted something like this as a virtual pilot. Always went with an ILS type of landing. You give me a new challenge, but with a clear understanding for the how/why and when... Many thanx for putting this together to share with the rest of the "air" community!
I never knew what those arcs were on the approach plates, let alone how to properly use it. If it were not for the clear, easy to understand tutorial you provided, I would not have a chance. You were so right when you said it's not easy. I managed to keep within .5 nm on my first try. Brilliant tutorial!
Thanks for putting this together. I'm working on my CPL, will be doing my IFR after that. ILS approaches have never been a problem but DME Arcs are something I didn't know too much about. Your video is so much better than reading a boring Jeppesen text book! Thanks!
@FSX404 I have found the AP usefull to give me some idea how the plane SHOULD be flying as apposed to the unpredictable, erratic behaviour it exhibits under my control. Close observation of the ap allowed me to discover the concept of trim,. What a revalation that was!
Not just a "must watch" video, this one's worth to be watched over and over again. Thanks for such a clear explanation of the DME arcs! Just subscribed to your channel, I'll be looking forward for new lessons. Cheers from a brazilian virtual pilot who lives near to Congonhas!
VERY VERY VERY GOOD VIDEO !! Actually, all of your's are really good. After several thousand hrs of flying, mostly off airport and bush flying I'm going to do the instrument rating in a week or two. These videos are a huge help in alleviating some of the anxiety I have. Thank you very much.
This video has been extremely helpful. It's a pleasure to watch a video that has been done with attention to detail. Thanks for your professionalism and your passion for flying. Wish all pilots had your same dedication. Greetings.
One of the best tutorials yet, I was hoping it was a cessna 172 so I can read the instruments or at least a baron 58, but with your great descriptions and focus on the gauge, I can understand it, even though I despise the gauges of the a321, haha but thank you, for making it understandable, even for a person like me...
You surely did, my friend. Your pronunciation to places like "Santana" and "Congonhas" (both here in Sao Paulo) are flawless - way much better than FSX saying it, LOL.
*this is an excellent video!! You explained it in a different way from what I've heard, but it made a lot of sense the way you said it. Thank you so much*
Look at the back of the white needle (the one that looks like an arrow), its back gives you the radial you are on (or passing) during the whole arc. I turn it on at 13:45 and its back its pointing to a heading of 315. That is our radial from the VOR at that time. As we move around on the arc, that back of the needle changes because we are passing thru different radials to the VOR on the arc. At 20:00 its back points 182, meaning that we are at the 182 radial and we need to turn on final.
I agree with all the comments already made, its very well explained, it could not be explained better. well done, thank you for making this superb video.
FSX thank you so much for helping me understand these better.. This was probably my number one instrument weakness since in Chino CA we don't really have many arcs to pratice in. Now that I'm in Peru and will be flying all over South America.. I definitely have to master these. I will be practicing them with an HSI first though. Cheers from Lima, Peru man!
Absolutely fabulous video! Extremely well explained. And thanks for including the approach plate in the link description! Very good video. I am going to practise this DME arc, and eventually increase the wind speeds and decrease the visibility. Thanks for posting!
I need to go do that for a season up in Alaska, bush flying. I heard you'll gain more experience there in 3 months than in 20 years flying for an airline.
Hats off to you...you're my inspiration to keep practising my approach and landing manual flying skills! someday with enough practice i am going to fly as smooth as you😊
Yes, I'm in process of making an approach with a missed approach into Pristina (LYPR or BKPR, goes by both). I'm doing a XAXAN 35B arrival with a VOR 35 approach, then a missed approach where you do a arc, a hold, descend while holding, and the VOR 35 approach again. It really includes just about everything instrument approaches have. Don't know when I'll have it out, but it should be a good one.
@1234av8tor Yes you can if that VOR has a DME (not every VOR has DME capabilities) Once you get good, I would suggest trying out the missed approach on the Pristina (LYPR) VOR/DME Runway 35 or 17 approaches. LYPR has some of the best missed approach arcs in the world.
Thanks, I got over 500 hours of flight time and my commercial training done, but I just haven't been had enough time to do my last 3 hours of training and taking the checkride. Soon one day, when I set my mind to it, lol.
Thanks, I'm glad you like it. DME Arcs are actually very easy to fly once you understand them. The hardest thing about making this approach was saying Congonhas, LOL, I hope I did the Brazilians justice :)
Dude, thank you VERY much! I've learned so much watching these tutorials! Oh, by the way, it would be very nice if you did an RNAV approach tutorial. I heard that it's a more recent approach and I have no idea of how to fly it! Thanks...
Great Video. The only thing I didnt understand is, my aircraft has conventionals VOR's. Every single VOR I've ever seen points the RADIAL, not point TO the VOR. How should I use this 10 degrees correction on my VOR 2 to know when i should make a turn to maintain the 8nm arc? Should I put the VOR 2 into a position where the CDI is centered and wait for the CDI to fall 5 degrees to the right or left?
very nice video, easy to understand :) i didn't get one thing though how did you know you were intercepting the 182° radial? I didn't see any changes on the instruments.
Thanks man, I'd come in a second. And if I had just a few more (around 1350-1450 hours), a friend of mine who owns a charter business at John Wayne (KSNA) would pay for me to get a Challenger 650 and Gulfstream G450 ratings so I could fly for him. But Alaska is a MUST for a season, I have a place up there that would take me, but alas, they won't pay much, $50 a day, so I cant afford to leave my work here in LA.
@janujan995 I didn't really pay attention to the exact bank, don't focus on the wrong things, there is too much stuff going on during an arc to be worried about the exact bank (BTW, you never go more than 25-30 deg with passengers). The exact bank angles are more important during timed turns, or course reversals (procedure turns). Each approach is unique in its own way, that is why a lot of experience is needed for someone to be a commercial pilot, just knowing something is not enough.
Excellent explanation. Let step up the DME arc/VOR challenge. Do a video using DME for the aspen/Pitkin Airport. Whatever heading you enter the arch is ok. additional obstacle will be the GPWS alerting you of terrain. Must fly close to terrain to execute this arc. Must me configured with red table loc+10. You’ll see that on your DME approach plate.
Its triangulation and takes while to get used to it, you have to be very familiar with the plane you are flying. For this one you have to look at the back of the arrow (needle) pointing to the VOR, the degrees its pointing to, that gives you the radial you are on.
Hi, perfect tutorial! One question only, you are flying with the autopilot or you fly by hand, i mean that is it you who watch the altimeter and speeD?
HI, found the vid. very good - have you got some vor and ndb tutorials - made in the same style they could be very useful. a lot of flightsimmers don t know how to use the ndb and vor functionalities.
@janujan995 not really, you're only turning 10 degrees at a time, SR Turns (or half SRT's) are more important during course reversals and procedure turns. 10 degree turns are too small for you to worry about making them half SRT's.
Ah ok! thanks for that. I am going to try that approach this weekend using PMDG 737 NG. The only bit i think i will be struggling with is how do you know your on that radial using your VOR 1? 182 degrees? i have paused the video and just cant make out what tells you that info......i hope that makes sense?
Oh NOOOO. There is a great arc not to far from Chino at Victorville (KVCV). It is out in the desert and it is never busy, the ATC will always let you do practice arc as long as you want. Sorry you missed it or the instructor you had didn't let you know. Good luck :)
Hi, very good video, everything is well explained, I have one question though, how can your vor needle always point to the vor station like an adf, in my aircraft the vor needle always stay where I point it at do I have to move it by 10° increments while I'm following the DME arc ?
Ok thanks, I was using old school VOR and HSI so I was confused, thanks for the precision. So if I use an older HSI or VOR should I change manually the bearing of the needle every time I make a heading correction ?
@TeamLeftMatch It really is up to the airline to set up the autopilot use rules, but most probably the pilots would use the AP for this approach. But I know what you are really asking and the answer is NO, you may NOT use the AP when doing this approach. It is the flight sim, and no one should use the AP below 10,000 feet.
Most of my stuff is instrument stuff, approach plates. Some basic departures. Very little chart stuff. I do have VFR departure and approach videos. They really are pretty simple but that is what pilots start out with. A video like this is very advanced, but there isn't much basic stuff out there. I don't know how advanced you are, but for beginners my advice is learn the basic VFR departures and arrivals (I have a video for both of those), then basic navigation, then get into stuff like this,
Hang in there and fly anything you can get your hands on and never pass up free flying. I was thinking if you had the numbers I mentioned I could get you on up here.
Hi again, a bit more info. I''m trying to set up a flight plan the CDU of the PMDG 747 in FSX and it's giving me two "TRANS" options and I don't see those options on the chart anywhere. I think I figured out the notation, it has something to do with the altitude at a certain waypoint in the departure procedure...again, I think. Any of you expert knowledge will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
This is BY FAR the best DME arc tutorial on TH-cam, or maybe anywhere, including all the IFR manuals you can buy. It is crystal clear. The fact that it is over 7 years old makes it even more impressive.
I wish my instructors were this easy to understand in flight school. Perfect explanation and a perfectly executed approach. Definitely a must see for all students.
Came across this by accident. Well thought out and well orchestrated video for learning... I'd never attempted something like this as a virtual pilot. Always went with an ILS type of landing. You give me a new challenge, but with a clear understanding for the how/why and when... Many thanx for putting this together to share with the rest of the "air" community!
I never knew what those arcs were on the approach plates, let alone how to properly use it. If it were not for the clear, easy to understand tutorial you provided, I would not have a chance. You were so right when you said it's not easy. I managed to keep within .5 nm on my first try. Brilliant tutorial!
I am an instrument rated pilot. Great tutorial. Good to see another pilot go through the steps on a DME arc.
By far the most comprehensive explanation on ARC ever. Thanks!
Thanks for putting this together. I'm working on my CPL, will be doing my IFR after that. ILS approaches have never been a problem but DME Arcs are something I didn't know too much about. Your video is so much better than reading a boring Jeppesen text book! Thanks!
@FSX404 I have found the AP usefull to give me some idea how the plane SHOULD be flying as apposed to the unpredictable, erratic behaviour it exhibits under my control. Close observation of the ap allowed me to discover the concept of trim,. What a revalation that was!
Your anology of a rope was spot on. Well done.
Not just a "must watch" video, this one's worth to be watched over and over again.
Thanks for such a clear explanation of the DME arcs! Just subscribed to your channel, I'll be looking forward for new lessons.
Cheers from a brazilian virtual pilot who lives near to Congonhas!
VERY VERY VERY GOOD VIDEO !! Actually, all of your's are really good.
After several thousand hrs of flying, mostly off airport and bush flying I'm going to do the instrument rating in a week or two. These videos are a huge help in alleviating some of the anxiety I have.
Thank you very much.
This is by far one of the best vordme tutorial is ever seen
This video has been extremely helpful. It's a pleasure to watch a video that has been done with attention to detail. Thanks for your professionalism and your passion for flying. Wish all pilots had your same dedication. Greetings.
One of the best tutorials yet, I was hoping it was a cessna 172 so I can read the instruments or at least a baron 58, but with your great descriptions and focus on the gauge, I can understand it, even though I despise the gauges of the a321, haha but thank you, for making it understandable, even for a person like me...
Once again, another great tutorial.
Now I have to go see if I can do it as well as you just did.
Look forward to the next one.
You surely did, my friend. Your pronunciation to places like "Santana" and "Congonhas" (both here in Sao Paulo) are flawless - way much better than FSX saying it, LOL.
*this is an excellent video!! You explained it in a different way from what I've heard, but it made a lot of sense the way you said it. Thank you so much*
Look at the back of the white needle (the one that looks like an arrow), its back gives you the radial you are on (or passing) during the whole arc. I turn it on at 13:45 and its back its pointing to a heading of 315. That is our radial from the VOR at that time.
As we move around on the arc, that back of the needle changes because we are passing thru different radials to the VOR on the arc.
At 20:00 its back points 182, meaning that we are at the 182 radial and we need to turn on final.
I agree with all the comments already made, its very well explained, it could not be explained better.
well done, thank you for making this superb video.
FSX thank you so much for helping me understand these better.. This was probably my number one instrument weakness since in Chino CA we don't really have many arcs to pratice in. Now that I'm in Peru and will be flying all over South America.. I definitely have to master these. I will be practicing them with an HSI first though. Cheers from Lima, Peru man!
You are very good at explaining. Always great material and NBS
@FSX404 You're just a great teacher. This is the reason.
Outstanding job! Great instructional video on the DME Arc.
Absolutely fabulous video! Extremely well explained. And thanks for including the approach plate in the link description! Very good video. I am going to practise this DME arc, and eventually increase the wind speeds and decrease the visibility. Thanks for posting!
I love your way of explaination and made me and for many other understand the concept and technique easier.
thank you
As always a great video just what I needed to master the arrival at EGPB the great new airport by ORBX in Scotland. Thanks a lot.
Fantastic tutorial, as always. Thanks for posting this for us.
I never knew, how to fly an Arc or either what it is. So I learned so much from your video. thanks a lot, budy!
The best tutorial ever made ! Thank you
Me pongo de pie y me quito el sombrero !!!
Thank you very much for your time, excellent Approach, great job. more videos like this please.
Another great tutorial. Would love to you do one on constant speed props.
Thanks for your video, It was really completed and I understand more the VOR DME APP,
Nobody could have explained Flying a DME arc easier.
FSX404 amazing video.
I need to go do that for a season up in Alaska, bush flying.
I heard you'll gain more experience there in 3 months than in 20 years flying for an airline.
Another great tutorial, as always. Thank you for your excellent contributions
Hats off to you...you're my inspiration to keep practising my approach and landing manual flying skills! someday with enough practice i am going to fly as smooth as you😊
Yes, I'm in process of making an approach with a missed approach into Pristina (LYPR or BKPR, goes by both).
I'm doing a XAXAN 35B arrival with a VOR 35 approach, then a missed approach where you do a arc, a hold, descend while holding, and the VOR 35 approach again.
It really includes just about everything instrument approaches have.
Don't know when I'll have it out, but it should be a good one.
@1234av8tor
Yes you can if that VOR has a DME (not every VOR has DME capabilities)
Once you get good, I would suggest trying out the missed approach on the Pristina (LYPR) VOR/DME Runway 35 or 17 approaches. LYPR has some of the best missed approach arcs in the world.
I am just starting my instrument training and this helped a lot. Thanks!
Thanks, Genc. You are really very good at explaining this stuff for novices. You should get into instruction, if you haven't already.
Thanks, I got over 500 hours of flight time and my commercial training done, but I just haven't been had enough time to do my last 3 hours of training and taking the checkride.
Soon one day, when I set my mind to it, lol.
Thanks, I'm glad you like it.
DME Arcs are actually very easy to fly once you understand them. The hardest thing about making this approach was saying Congonhas, LOL, I hope I did the Brazilians justice :)
Wow, I am very impressed!Very well explained, and a nice touchdown too! 😃 Well Done!
fsx404 I love your videos are so helpful, and ease to understand, thank you so much....
@whiteTiger941
I believe it is "shift + 5" on the Wilco Airbus series.
thank you so much for explaining VOR !!!!
You're a lucky man, you can grow old and look back on your life and say " I made a difference".
Dude, thank you VERY much! I've learned so much watching these tutorials! Oh, by the way, it would be very nice if you did an RNAV approach tutorial. I heard that it's a more recent approach and I have no idea of how to fly it! Thanks...
I was kinda looking for this ,,, hoping to look forward to mor of this teach ,, thank you sir
IFR stage 1 check tomorrow~ Good video,
@thelebzeb
No arcs, that last turn at MHTG is completely 100% visual, you just have to make adjustments on the spot as you're flying it.
Great Video.
The only thing I didnt understand is, my aircraft has conventionals VOR's. Every single VOR I've ever seen points the RADIAL, not point TO the VOR. How should I use this 10 degrees correction on my VOR 2 to know when i should make a turn to maintain the 8nm arc? Should I put the VOR 2 into a position where the CDI is centered and wait for the CDI to fall 5 degrees to the right or left?
very nice video, easy to understand :)
i didn't get one thing though
how did you know you were intercepting the 182° radial?
I didn't see any changes on the instruments.
Thanks man, I'd come in a second. And if I had just a few more (around 1350-1450 hours), a friend of mine who owns a charter business at John Wayne (KSNA) would pay for me to get a Challenger 650 and Gulfstream G450 ratings so I could fly for him.
But Alaska is a MUST for a season, I have a place up there that would take me, but alas, they won't pay much, $50 a day, so I cant afford to leave my work here in LA.
@janujan995
I didn't really pay attention to the exact bank, don't focus on the wrong things, there is too much stuff going on during an arc to be worried about the exact bank (BTW, you never go more than 25-30 deg with passengers).
The exact bank angles are more important during timed turns, or course reversals (procedure turns).
Each approach is unique in its own way, that is why a lot of experience is needed for someone to be a commercial pilot, just knowing something is not enough.
This is a great explanation - many thanks.
Brilliant! Well done!
Well explained Thanks a lot !
how amazing you have explained it. thx
Great video ! Congratulations !
very cool, is there any chance you could do a YPPH Perth tutorial like this? would be awesome
Thanks :)
I use Adobe Premier Pro, and most of the graphics are done in Photoshop, just layers that I can make move in Premier Pro.
Excellent explanation. Let step up the DME arc/VOR challenge. Do a video using DME for the aspen/Pitkin Airport. Whatever heading you enter the arch is ok. additional obstacle will be the GPWS alerting you of terrain. Must fly close to terrain to execute this arc. Must me configured with red table loc+10. You’ll see that on your DME approach plate.
Excellent tutorial!
Its triangulation and takes while to get used to it, you have to be very familiar with the plane you are flying.
For this one you have to look at the back of the arrow (needle) pointing to the VOR, the degrees its pointing to, that gives you the radial you are on.
Hi, perfect tutorial!
One question only, you are flying with the autopilot or you fly by hand, i mean that is it you who watch the altimeter and speeD?
HI, found the vid. very good - have you got some vor and ndb tutorials - made in the same style they could be very useful. a lot of flightsimmers don t know how to use the ndb and vor functionalities.
Great video!! i'd like to know where can i find airports charts from different airports, thanks!
@janujan995
not really, you're only turning 10 degrees at a time, SR Turns (or half SRT's) are more important during course reversals and procedure turns. 10 degree turns are too small for you to worry about making them half SRT's.
Awesome! Very well explained.
Thank you for sharing.
@Seal552
All my flights posted are manually flown, but you can use the AP.
Useful as always! Thank you!
Hey man, you're a good professor.
Ah ok! thanks for that. I am going to try that approach this weekend using PMDG 737 NG. The only bit i think i will be struggling with is how do you know your on that radial using your VOR 1? 182 degrees? i have paused the video and just cant make out what tells you that info......i hope that makes sense?
wow, great graphics.
Hi! Good approach ;) a question? Where do you get that charts?
Thanks
Oh NOOOO.
There is a great arc not to far from Chino at Victorville (KVCV). It is out in the desert and it is never busy, the ATC will always let you do practice arc as long as you want. Sorry you missed it or the instructor you had didn't let you know.
Good luck :)
Brilliant as always FSX404.. But no outside tower view at the end. :( . You always use to do put that.
That makes perfect sense thanks very much!!!
Hi, very good video, everything is well explained, I have one question though, how can your vor needle always point to the vor station like an adf, in my aircraft the vor needle always stay where I point it at do I have to move it by 10° increments while I'm following the DME arc ?
Jack Rabbit VOR 2 in the new planes with digital displays, even something like a G1000 acts like an ADF needle, it just points to the VOR.
Ok thanks, I was using old school VOR and HSI so I was confused, thanks for the precision. So if I use an older HSI or VOR should I change manually the bearing of the needle every time I make a heading correction ?
Jack Rabbit yes, for old VORs and HSI's you do need to manually input the headings. Makes it hard on the VOR, but an HSI os a bit easier.
Ok thanks it helped a lot
Jack Rabbit
great video mate!
Yes, I've been flying for real since 1995.
Which charts? VFR? IFR? Approach plates?
Man thanks so much for this video.
WOW.. great job :) nice video
@TeamLeftMatch
It really is up to the airline to set up the autopilot use rules, but most probably the pilots would use the AP for this approach.
But I know what you are really asking and the answer is NO, you may NOT use the AP when doing this approach. It is the flight sim, and no one should use the AP below 10,000 feet.
great flying.
are you a military pilot ?
@cantore98
Yes, this video was a request by someone in Brazil because of that crash. I used the opportunity to do an arc approach at the same time.
thanks for this tutorial its very good
Most of my stuff is instrument stuff, approach plates. Some basic departures. Very little chart stuff.
I do have VFR departure and approach videos. They really are pretty simple but that is what pilots start out with. A video like this is very advanced, but there isn't much basic stuff out there.
I don't know how advanced you are, but for beginners my advice is learn the basic VFR departures and arrivals (I have a video for both of those), then basic navigation, then get into stuff like this,
which flight simulator do you use bro graphics are really good
I'll definately trie this out ;)
great as always ! :)
really awesome man
This is all manually flown, course, altitude and speed. All my videos posted on youtube are manually flown.
great tutorial, thank you !!
Hang in there and fly anything you can get your hands on and never pass up free flying.
I was thinking if you had the numbers I mentioned I could get you on up here.
great teacher thanks
Hi again, a bit more info. I''m trying to set up a flight plan the CDU of the PMDG 747 in FSX and it's giving me two "TRANS" options and I don't see those options on the chart anywhere. I think I figured out the notation, it has something to do with the altitude at a certain waypoint in the departure procedure...again, I think. Any of you expert knowledge will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
@deadman084
Fraps for screen capture, but the editing and graphics are done in Premier Pro and Photoshop
Sorry if this has been answered before or in another video, but how do you know when the 182 radial has been passed? Where is it displayed?
Thank you, time to go fire up the NGX and check up this approach for good.
btw nice landing AND approach...