I've been driving electric for 4 years now and find that the only time range really matters is when I go on a longer trip, which usually includes around 80% highway driving with speeds around 70-75mph. It would be nice to see the consumption numbers under these conditions.
That is the majority of trucks sold in the US. I want a truck because they are comfortable, and I like hunting, fishing, camping. I do all those things regularly and seldom drive over 200 miles doing them. I will take the better performance and lower cost of ownership. I also really like the idea of not having to deal with gas station BS ever again.
@TheWtikaiser LOL no instead deal with charging stations that aren't big enough to park your truck at which are at gas stations mostly and take perhaps over an hour to charge. You make a lot of logic and cheaper to maintain? Sure when that battery goes let me know how that wallet feels.
I will take a 40 minute stop a few times a year over weekly stops. The batteries last a long time on average. They have been around for a while at this point and every study shows a lower cost to maintain. All of this information is easily available. Cant park your truck??? Try reading something instead of just spewing retard takes.@@JohnnyLightningV10
@@debbiekonkin5768 Not quite. Extended range towing 24' boat fully loaded boat and truck at freeway (70-80 MPH) will get about 170 mile in mountainous terrain. Since you would start at 100%, you would need two sessions of 40 minutes to charge, and one of those times would likely be when you are boating so that may eliminate one of those charge times. I have charged in that situation many times. I have only unhooked the trailer once among all those times, and it didn't take 15 minutes to do so. However, I agree many chargers are less suited for trailers and sometimes you are parking in a less ideal situation. If you towed constantly long distances, this wouldn't be a good fit. However, it works well for a lot more situations than people believe without actual experience.
My 150 xlt still battery charging to 275 at 100%. If you do not plug in the trailer plug the range is not to bad. I called Ford engineering and they could not explain it. No different then having a ton on a pallet in the box.
This was done under almost ideal conditions. I can get almost 160 miles on a charge in my leaf in warm weather and speeds under 70 mph. In the winter, I'm lucky to get half of that.
245 miles of travel and then needing to recharge is not range. Range is how far you can go out and return back to your starting point without having to recharge. You range is 122.5 miles which I get and more in my gas F-150. EV range is unacceptable and time to recharge is unacceptable for more than short 20 miles or less in-town trips only.
Fantastic result. I just bought a Lightning with the standard range and was curious on its top range ability. I enjoy you channel and the insight it has given me.
Or hot weather with the air con blasting or even worse, cold winter such as where I am in northern Canada. Case in point, relative of a friend of mine has an oil field type company and he leased a ford lightning to see what it would do for power usage and vehicle usability and he handed it over to one of his employees that has a relatively short commute to work and they plugged it in at work every day. Apparently it was very disappointing in how much power it used and the range was horrible but due to the short commute was not an issue but would never be able to go anywhere distance wise in the winter and plug into what ... a tree ( this is northern Canada after all ! ) , and also it was said that the cab was fricken cold and took the commute to finally warm up. We got as usual some days of -40F or colder last winter, that is the reality of where I live. At the end of the lease it was determined that the lightning used more energy cost wise vs an equivalent ford gas pickup. From what I hear the resale value is not good on those pickups, and for anyone like myself that lives in rural Canada and has to deal with long distances of no services and at times have to tow loads, a pickup like that would be a garage princess .... that is until it burns the garage and house down when the battery decides to go ballistic.
@@debbiekonkin5768 I would imagine Ford has some distance disclaimers to make sure their butt is covered so no one can come back at them when the customer realizes what a variety of real world driving conditions dictate what the actual driving distance experienced is. ( and the towing bills that would be created from driving off in a rural or remote area ) . The good part about a pickup is that a generator can be strapped down in the bed, just bring a pile of gasoline with to power that gen set for a few days, and some food and warm sleeping bag and your all set 😄
Whoa! I ordered a 2023 XLT in Avalanche, as well. Drove it less than 100 miles and traded it in to the ordering dealer for a Bronco. I think I made a mistake. The dealer still has it, too!
There are a lot of poorly informed comments associated with this video. I own a Lightning Pro, standard range, and I use it like a work truck. I've hauled tons of gravel, sheet rock, plywood and construction trash. Its performance fully loaded to GVWR is virtually the same as when I am making a solo drive to the store; neither range or quickness (and trust me, it is faster than ANY production ICE truck on the road) seem to be significantly affected. What does impact range are the same factors that shorten the range of an ICE truck: Speed (aero drag is a big deal, and an F-150 has all the streamlining of a brick). Climbing grades (tho' you get about 70% of the expended energy back on the downhill through regen). Towing. The difference is that the ICE truck starts with a 500+ mile range, so when it is hauling a heavy trailer and is getting 11 MPG, it will still go 250+ miles. One factor that I haven't noticed to have a big impact is temperature. Admittedly, the coldest weather my Lightning has seen was in the mid/high 20°s, but I don't see a dramatic reduction in range when it is cold (I do precondition the vehicle while it is still on the charger). By the way, when I charge at home using the local utility's EV rate, I get the equivalent of 145 MPG. To the video creator: Please stop with the "only use the Ford Mobile Charger in an emergency" crap. I use that charger on a 220v, 50 amp circuit and get 6+ kW per hour out of it. Your JuiceBox does not do one wit better.
At no time did you qualify your crappy advice by drawing a distinction between the Ford charger’s performance on 110 V versus 220 V. Instead, you simply declared twice that it should only be used in emergencies. What a weasel…
Agreed...a lot of theoretical talk, without actual experience/knowledge. It's striking to read the anxiety/fear in these comments. I've had a standard range Lightning since February. It is my work truck for beekeeping--works for me. My longest daily loop is 120-130 miles. In the winter it gets about 220 miles of range, while in the summer, it gets 280-300 miles, based on my driving habits and use of 1-pedal. I have the bed loaded with beekeeping equipment, and the passenger cab with seats flipped up, loaded with filled honey supers (400-600 lbs). I haven't tried towing yet (need to do that), but the longest drive I would need to go to a beekeeping supply company is 160 miles, and there is a Tesla supercharger around Albany, so I can fill up there on the way up and way back, if/when needed. I guess everybody's experience is different. With experience driving the truck, I know what it can do and when I need to plan to charge, so I don't have the range anxiety that I'm hearing a lot on this page. I have charged from 120 volt with the Ford charger delivered with the vehicle up until now (obviously very slow on 120 volts); next week, I'm having an Emporia unit installed on a 240 volt circuit in the garage, so I won't need to go to a Tesla Supercharger station in Brewster NY for a quick fill-up any longer. Our solar panels were turned on this week, so pretty exciting to see the excess energy being put onto the grid after powering the house/batteries/vehicle. generated 80 kWh today, 45 kWh to the grid. Definitely a learning experience, but am feeling very comfortable.
I had the same results. I hardly never drive my Pro over 65 mph , mostly 62 mph 90% of the time. (65 to pass only) Good to see that others are enjoying over the rating miles as well.
It's a truck. Use it as trucks are intended, hauling and/or towing, and that range will likely be cut in half or even less. Then factor in effects of weather, extreme cold or heat can both reduce range. I'm still not onboard with EV's for every vehicle type. EV's may make sense for some purposes, small cars used for daily commutes, but in my opinion, not for all. The technology is still in its infancy, not up to the task for all vehicles for all purposes.
A truck is a vehicle like any other. It doesn't have to be "used as trucks are intended." I prefer to drive trucks, I'm 6'3 and like the extra space. I don't tow or haul anything ever and have never owned a car. A crew cab F150 nd similar trucks are the most versatile vehicles there are and are perfect for families whether they are used to tow or not.
Less than 10% of people tow with an f150 per ford’s data..then combine that with the fact that an EV truck ends up solving a ton of day to day practicality issues (bad gas mileage, sluggish acceleration, and no lockable storage) i would argue that an EV Pick up truck is actually the best application of battery technology!
Let's try again when the battery drops to 90% efficiency capacity and 80% and 70%, and the warranty covers 30% of battery replacement. I'm afraid Ford has another Edsel.
How far do you think he would go if you use it as a real truck hauling something or caring some loads? That’s something nobody talks about and I’m really curious about it. I think that would be a great video.
I saw a video about that and the guy went 144 miles towing a trailer he said weighed 5000lbs. It might have but it could have been a bit less. He then said a half hour charge would take him 100 miles but since the battery was nearly dead and he needed to go 144 miles I am not sure how useful that was going to be.
This truck not designed for pulling and hauling…it’s a commuter that can get some light work done. Folks need to accept that. If you transitioning into EV world it’s because you want to get away from the cost of fuel. If you doing hardcore towing and hauling this is not for you.
Too bad Ford took the $7500 EV credit that was renewed in March by raising the cost of the Lighting by $6,000 to $7,000 the very next day of the Government's announcement. Smacks of corporate greed! That's why I canceled my reservation... Goodbye Greedy FORD!
that's not bad! even if one smashing the accelerator and do 80 mph, this ford lighting may still get 190 miles, which is pretty good...but the biggest problem is electrify America charging is bogus! very little charging stations and often the chargers at the stations are broken. No problem though, sooon enough, Ford will adopt the Tesla charging plug and Tesla Super Charger will be open; that's when road tripping this Ford Lighting will become reality.
@EV_Insider no issues with the powerboost. I like that I could get over 500 miles on a tank of gas. During warm weather, 23.5mpg. I like some aspects of the lighting, but there are downfalls and inconveniences to having an EV. I would never get the standard battery. Still no word on the repair yet
I love the idea of the all electric vehicles. I just had to put that out there right away. But, I've always believed the target audience for the Lightning are people who, on a day to day basis, drive less than 100 miles a day. Before retiring my daily commute was 85 miles/day. Most people have a shorter commute than that. It's ideal for service vehicles, as long as you don't need to travel distances that would require a charge during the day. The one subject I don't hear people in the comments saying is; what do they drive, how far do they drive and what are their vehicle needs. In my case, my Ford Ecoboost is used for servicing my rental properties and when I want to get away I tow my travel trailer to the mountains. So, the Lightning won't work for me. The Powerboost is one option I have my eyes on because most of my day to day is in town driving. For now, I think hybrids will provide most people with a more enjoyable driving experience. But, i see hybrids as stepping stones to the next generation of vehicles. Great video and I look forward to seeing more of your experiences with the LIghtning. Thanks
Thanks for sharing, you might enjoy my latest video that addresses if the Lightning is the right truck for you or not: th-cam.com/video/XqftOIfv99I/w-d-xo.html
So unlike Tesla, the range is actually close to accurate? For those coming to "roast" my comment: I owned a Tesla Model 3 SR+ which was rated for 240 miles of range. If I got 180 miles of range out of it on the highway, I'd be a happy camper. Unfortunately there's no regulation for EV's and their range estimates. But Tesla definitely needs some kind of reassessment on their real-world range. I'm glad to see Ford at least being accurate and from some research, I've seen Hyundai/Kia also providing accurate range estimates too.
@@EV_Insider thanks. And don't let me get started on degradation. The battery on my Tesla was definitely degrading rapidly. It got so bad, I live 80 miles from Universal Orlando and when I got the car I could make a round trip. But over time and the battery degrading, I literally had to charge after being at the parks for the day just to make it back home. I could not do a 160 mile roundtrip. That was with cabin overheat protection and other parked features disabled to conserve battery while parked.
@@RobertoMezquiaJr One thing is that Tesla uses a different EPA test than most manufacturers. It tends to be a little more "optimistic". Here is a link....th-cam.com/video/b6Oel4klhjI/w-d-xo.html
I have the Ford charger but have connected to 240. And recharges fully overnight with 10% on truck. So really no need to buy additional equipment. But I did have an electrician setup the 240 outlet.
Hauling doesn't really effect my range. Towing it's nearly cut in half. But not unlike any other F150 that I've ever owned. 2014 V8 F150 , I was lucky to get 10/mpg. Towing was closer to 5/mpg. Most gas trucks mileage is cut in half doing any serious Towing.
That is not enough for our daily service truck fleet use when new, and certainly not enough when the battery has deteriorated a few months from now. I'll bet when you add 600 pounds of work gear and ladder rack to the load it is significantly reduced. I also bet that you were not in stop and go traffic for long periods or keeping up with traffic for many miles of the trip.
I hope you've done a lot more research since making this comment. Loading up the bed even close to max weight has negligible effects on range. Towing will effect range but that's also well discussed. The battery deterioration is just an inflammatory and uneducated comment that also include no proof, research, or justification. The batteries have been studied and the same batteries are purchased by Tesla and are showing minimal deterioration and range reduction over several years and 100K miles. That's not to say that they don't lose some of their ability to reach their original max range but to say that in a few months the range will be reduced to unusable amounts is exactly the type of misinformation that is spread against EVs. EVs are not for everyone and despite plenty of content out there reinforcing that, there's still way too many people who choose to not talk about use case which is important to note. If the range isn't enough for your daily service fleet but please provide more context as to your use case that would warrant such a statement. Also, stop-and-go traffic is actually better for these vehicles than an ICE, they're much more efficient at lower speeds and 'around town' driving than an ICE. They suffer at higher speeds because battery performance/range is more effected by aerodynamics than ICE vehicles so the highway ranges are actually lower than city ranges.
Please do that test again this time with either more passengers or more cargo. You ran that test under very ideal conditions. Warm weather, no cargo and what looked like a pretty sedate driving style. Will the F-150 lighting do that range under all conditions and all weather types?
Sean, I was driving in all types of conditions/speeds, interstate, highway and city. You might be interested in this video as well: th-cam.com/video/XqftOIfv99I/w-d-xo.html
@EV_Insider My friend used his heat and it got less than 170 miles true story he got stuck on the side of highway because he was one mile short of a charger. Truck got sold the following week.
@@JohnnyLightningV10 Electric cars have a long way to go before they are suitable for the general public and their every day needs. I don't know why all the governments around the world are pushing EVs so hard? They simply are not ready.
@@mydroneadventures8807 When a new technology comes along it's usually better than the thing it is replacing. EV cars don't meet that description. They have shorter range, take hours to recharge and are a serious fire risk. And finally, they are very expensive to buy and repair.
@@mydroneadventures8807 At least with a petrol or diesel car I don't have to worry about the car self igniting on my driveway or in my garage and burning the house down.
I have a XLT with the standard battery on order. I mostly drive within 70 miles of my home between work and the city. I think the standard range will be just fine, and a good replacement for my Long Range Model 3.
Gutsy range test in relatively ideal conditions. Appeared to be warm enough for A/C use but unknown if it was used. Of course battery life suffers when run down too low so it isn't recommended by manufacturers. And over time the battery loses capacity anyway so don't expect 245mile range over time. I would anticipate range anxiety with such a low max estimated range.
I'm considering a 2024 Lightning or the Powerboost. I need a truck to tow a hybrid trailer and two sleds about 2 hours away and back again. I'm learning towards the pb because of towing performance/cold issues with the Lightning. But not having to pay for gas is a huge bonus.
@@EV_Insider Yeah, the reason electric is so darn wanted is the cost of gas to get to said location, filling up two sleds with premium gas/oil...etc. lol. What was once a rather affordable hobby is becoming out of reach.
I'll throw my 2 cents in here (even though this is a year old) since most other people seem to want to troll. It's just all about moderate driving techniques. Don't stomp on it at every stop light, keep your speeds under 65 mph (unless you're on highway of course) and use 1 pedal driving efficiently. Around town, and commuting on lower speed highways or whatever, these efficiency numbers are easy to get to if you're driving moderately to conservatively. Once you're on the highway or towing, your range will start to go down but it's all about use case. It's absolutely not discussed enough how your use case effects your decision to purchase an EV, epsecially an EV truck. Loading up the bed has minimal impact on the range but hitching a trailer to it that weighs 5000 lbs does. You can do plenty of 'truck' things in one of these if you aren't expecting to go super far all of the time or tow huge loads frequently. Even towing is possible (tons of power just not far ranges) if you don't plan to tow a ton across a long distance frequently.
Me personally, I cancelled my Lightning order. I have an F150. IMO a family needs vehicles to fill 3 needs- work/grocery getter, road trip, and hauler. One vehicle can fill more than one need. In the end, a Bolt EUV made more sense economically than a Lightning. I always thought the EUV was a goofy vehicle, a half-ass attempt, until I looked at the specs as far as legroom. It is a perfect grocery getter/work vehicle, and will be paid off quickly- purchase price $36k incl taxes, fees, etc not factoring in tax credit. For me, an ideal Lightning would have a standard cab, or extended cab, standard bed. It certainly is luxurious, and a smooth ride- but trucks are brick walls we drive as far as aerodynamics. For example, 2.5 mi/kwh is what the EUV would get if I drove like a teenager and broke every speed limit. A long distance trip to AL at 55-65mph yielded 3.8 mi/kwh, AC set at 74. A good trick I learned that I’ll pass along is not to use CC, and instead maintain kw output when climbing hills- lose 5-10 mph. Also, do not regenerate downhill, instead try to regenerate only enough to maintain 0-5 kwh usage downhill either maintaining speed or accelerating slightly. The CC will regen downhill, and push the vehicle to maintain speed uphill resulting in a net loss because you will use more to maintain speed uphill than you regen downhill. I use just enough regen downhill to cover climate and accessories, and I did make sure that I got back up to or over highway speeds before ascending the next hill. I was surprised at the 3.8 figure, expecting 3.5 or less. I’m sure this trick will work just as well for Lightnings. The Lightning, as it is made now, just doesn’t fit into a use case for me.
I can go 475 miles on 16 gallons of unleaded. Just saying. EVs have a bit more progress to make before I'd consider buying one. Oh and gas stations are everywhere, and I can fill up in less than 10 minutes.
You’re definitely not driving a full size truck with the 30 mpg you get, but we all understand what you’re saying. EV’s are just starting, wait a few years. Oh, ICE vehicles started 100 years ago, and we’re still at trucks that get 12 mpg.
@@debbiekonkin5768 You’re information is not complete or current, it’s understandable that you believe the break even point you’re using. Update your knowledge, you’ll see there’s a vast difference with reality and your interpretation of fact. By the way, the initial point was comparing full size pickup mileage, then you respond about a Maverick, wow.
@@debbiekonkin5768 Society has evolved to where we are because humans invent things to make life better, people like you are what’s holding back our future.
So what you are saying is if I wanted to drive from LA to Atlanta it will take me 10 days to do it. Definitely not a touring vehicle. I'm sure it's great for a grocery getter. And an expensive one at that.
This wouldn't be the best EV for highway road tripping, but it's nowhere near as bad as you suggest. LA-Atlanta = about 2,200 miles. 32 hours of driving at 70 mph + 12 charging stops at 40 minutes each = about 41 hour trip. That's about 8.5 hours worth of stops. Most ICE vehicles would accumulate about 4 hours worth of fuel and bathroom breaks on such a trip, so it would add about 4-5 hours to such a road trip to do with an EV.
That's crazy. Doing 70 mph on the highway on an 800 mile road trip I just took. I averaged 1.7. I have the lariat extended range. I did have some wind against me in both directions on my trip.
@@EV_Insider not sure the overall time. EA stations worked good. We never had to wait but there were people waiting for us. Ev go in East st Louis was fast also. 165 tapering to 120's $.48. Went to a charger in Hannibal Mo that was 80-90 kwh speed the whole time. That sucked. $.48 per kWh was expensive I think.
When towing it decreases the same percentage as a gas or diesel. I towed the same trailer in two SUVs one was EV and the other was ICE. Literally same percentage of decrease in range happened. You are only scared because you have range anxiety. But the matter fact is you will have to stop as frequent in both cars. With gas you’ll fill up a little faster. In an EV you’ll pay about %25 of what you pay in gas so your trip will be a lot cheaper. And depending on the charging port and charger you might have to remove your trailer to charge “if you don’t want to take 3 spots to charge your car. You pick your poison.
For comparison, I've seen other tests with the ER battery where highway max range in good conditions at constant 70 MPH with ER battery is 270 miles. I would guess SR battery might be closer to 220 under those conditions. I'd say the ER battery is worth it, if you can afford the extra cost, as it better enables occasional highway trips. It's capable of everything but long range towing, where a combination of shorter range, insufficient chargers, and few if any pull through chargers make towing a PITA. Some nay sayers try to say it's useless because you can't tow a massive horse trailer across country, but that's a niche use case. For me, I tow around town and use truck beds plenty, and it meets all those needs. In the past year, I've hauled mulch, large gravel, pea gravel, multiple trips to the dump, equipment like compactors, I've pulled a dump trailer and a tow behind auger both around town. It does all those things just fine. Bed could be bigger, but people in general just love the huge back seats in F-150s that force a shorter bed, so that's the config you can get it in. That's not specifically an EV issue though.
This isn't discussed enough and you're right. It's frustrating we don't talk about 'use case' enough. The recent opening of V3 and V4 Tesla Superchargers alleviates a lot of the headache on longer range trips but I also went with the ER battery anyway for the same reason you mentioned. Public charging is improving but the highlight is teh ability to juice up at home every night and have your range ready to go in the morning. Of course charging to 100% all of the time isn't great for the battery but I'm extremely pleased to have 270+ miles of range available to me every day if I want it. I also recommend an ER if one can afford it. I made the tradeoff of an XLT or Lariat SR to snag a 2023 Pro ER that a fleet order didn't pick up. I missed out on a few features (most of which the XLT had that I can add after the fact for a fraction of the cost) but the range was far more important to me. The use cases of people trailering huge loads long distances on a regular basis should understand that this truck is not for them and that's totally fine. Everyone should be able to choose the car that fits them and their lifestyle the best without other folks having to throw shade at it. You can do plenty of 'truck' things with this and be extremely happy with it. People also need to understand that you won't always be driving under ideal conditions but that's OK as long as they understand that ahead of time. Too many people think it's cool and dive in without research and then are shocked to hear towing or cold weather or higher speeds reduce your range. It's well documented and discussed and readily available information. Unfortunately, that piles on to the disdain for EVs, especially trucks, when you have a bunch of uninformed consumers regretting their choice and then being mad when they go to resell in 6 months and realize the depreciation. I love my Lightning and everyone who has gotten into it (except my one friend who's a massive Tesla snob and thing that the roads shouldn't be graced with any other EV) has been thrilled to drive it and experience it and have nothing but good things to say about it. To each their own!
So you are about 200 miles of range at 80 percent and where you should be on driving range . Not much different from letting a gas tank go below a quarter tank before filling up . So the way I see it is you have 200 miles of range which appears to be flat highway driving without the use of air conditioning or heat . I think the mobile charger in 240 volt mode is useable so if your on a trip and get a Airbnb you would like to have a 240 outlet available . It can be dedicated or maybe a electric dryer outlet is available in the garage . So you could take a 400 mile trip and only have to charge once and to me that's a best case scenario
Great comments. For a general rule of thumb I usually tell people you can drive (in a variety of conditions) around 190 miles without any worries. For around town, that typically means several days between charges.
@@EV_Insider My daily drives seldom exceed 60 miles & I usually plug in when I get home. Only charge to 85% platinum so it's a little heavier. On average I can drive 100 miles for about $4. So towing range is nearly cut in half so $4/50 miles. Still much better than any previous F150's that I've owned.
They make for a spectacular bonfire though I hear, that was a while back one burst into flames in an oilfield equipment parking lot taking with it some very expensive oilfield equipment, I bet they were impressed.
@@debbiekonkin5768 That is quite something its said when one of those EV's catches on fire, its quite the challenge for firefighters to put one out with tons of water due to that chemical reaction taking place within the battery. In fact it says its typical for an average vehicle to require 1000 gallons of water to put out, where as an EV will require 40000 gallons. What fire truck carries that volume of water ... well none of course, not even remotely. Also these EV vehicles are a potential danger for hours after a collision of going into self combusting mode, its scary stuff. One things for sure, anyone inside of an EV when its burning will certainly have a complete cremation !.
@@brucefarber9875 That's like saying most cars you see on the road hardly have passengers in the back seat. What people want to know is how they operate in "truck" situations, just because you aren't loaded down all the time it doesn't mean it's not important to know it's capabilities.
Are there even charging options in the wild? All I ever hear is people getting stranded in these 90k vehicles 😂 An electric vehicle seems like a big pain in the a$$. I got the hybrid Maverick a few months ago and it’s a total joy. I’ve filled it up 4 times!
Nice truck but no thanks. My 2016 Colorado Z71 is paid off and still looks and runs great. It has a 21 gallon tank giving it well over 400 miles of range unladen. With rebates and dealer discount I paid less than 34k for it. I have owned three F150s in past years, all gassers and all were affordable.
My 1985 dodge d 150 with the slant 6 and 4 speed manual. Can go 335 miles and takes 3 min to fill up. I paid 800 for it.. ehhh I use trucks for truck stuff. No ac but 800 bucks though…
245 miles in a little over 9 hours 🙃 So your average speed was 27 miles per hour 🤣. You should do a highway range test where your average speed is at least 65 mph.
So you're on the freeway, the next charger is 50 miles away, no problem. You get there and the charger cables have been stolen for the copper value. Good luck.
That gets little more than half my jeep wrangler jk with 35 inch tires, towing 3k gets on a full tank. If I'm spending that kind of money on a truck, and I can't use it for it's entire point for existence then what is the point. Electric trucks great for show in the city, incapable of work anywhere else.
@@EV_Insider I agree with “EV’s are not for everyone.” Well of course they’re not, it’s a new issue that is having direct legislative affect and impact. It’s both effectively being forced upon everyone from the average person to entire companies. Additionally, no, gas vehicles and electric vehicles are a direct comparison. The directly compete with one another and electric vehicles are being made to take over the markets that has gas vehicles currently hold. In fact it’s EV manufacturers that make the comparisons themselves, it’s the media that shuts down any criticism, so yes it’s apples to apples. If you’re being made to replace something, you should be better in every way. Not, reduce longevity, distance, rate of refuel, and throw a bunch of unrepairable, unreliable electronics for the sake of being gimmicks. Just to tell consumers that either they buy this now or someday down the road that choice will be made for them. I do believe they make great Sedans and sport cars, and some decent SUVs. Then that’s about where that ends, they’re not great at everything, they’re not greener for the environment. They shouldn’t be influencing legislation to forcibly shutdown the production gas vehicles. However, that’s what they’re being used for, filling the pockets of politicians and the wealthy and hurting everyone else in their greed. I conceptually love EV, but, I hate the message that their manufacturers, the media, and politicians are promoting with them.
@@jbirdzz I agree with most of what you're saying here , especially about forcing EV'S on everyone. I don't believe there is a real danger of that happening in the near future, even though they say it will. California is an excellent example of this, all the while limiting the use of electricity during peak hours. I own a lightning and it's perfect for me, I traded in my car & truck for it. Retired 73, I have no desire to travel anymore after 30 years with the FAA. I'm glad there are so many people that EV'S don't fit their lifestyles. If we were flooded with EV'S as they want, there is no doubt that our electrical grid will not handle them. Myself, I have a 13 kw solar system which even on cloudy days supply enough power for my home and charge my solar batteries. And if that fails I have 2 - 11 kw generac generators that run off a 1000 gallon propane tank. And then I have my lightning that can supply a total of 9600 watts of power from a 131 kwh battery. I've owned a lot of F150's so when ford came out with this truck, it was a dream come true in every way. Truck, luxury car and a vehicle that will do 0 - 60 in just over 4 seconds. Who could as for more.
@@jbirdzz Well put. If your going out to the boonies, buy a 8 kw genset, adaptor and half a dozen 5 gal fuel jugs.Then you can fuel up your genset, plug in your charger, and voila! In only 10 hpurs your'hybrid' can go another 240 miles in only 14 hours! If your towing an rv, cut your range in half.
Well for a standard f-150 theres a 23gal fuel tank,at 18mpg thats 414 miles,less towing obviously,but it can tow and still have more range,,,i'd say that adds up to a loosing proposition for the EV.
I believe many of these "EV's aren't ready yet" comments come from a position of ignorance. All I keep reading are the exceptions (towing and wanting 400+ miles). Honestly, how often do you tow or drive more than 200+ miles in a single day? If you answer "all the time" then YOU are the exception and shouldn't place your bias on an entire class of very capable vehicles. I'll bet the house most negative EV commenters have NEVER actually drove one. Are EVs right for everyone?...definitely not. Are EV's a good alternative for the majority of commuters?...absolutely!
We agree and have stated many times that EV"s are not right for everyone. I traded in my 2017 F-150 for the Lightning and would not switch back to a ICE truck. The Lightning is a far superior driving experience. The only downfall is range and for the times we take a long road trip we use our 2nd vehicle, which is a Kia Telluride. Now that Ford is partnering with Telsa on access to their chargers, that only helps.
Very unimpressed. Possibly the most useless vehicle I have ever seen in modern times, a truck that can't tow anything at all and would take 5 full charges to get from my house to my time share. Wow what an advancement. All for the low low price price of $75000. Nop wonder they can't sell them, not even at auction.
100,000 dollars, then spend money on a charger 😒 to get 200 miles a charge ? Then, when battery goes bad ,what ? There's 40,000 more dollars ? + pay for electricity to charge ! Sounds super doable for most people ...Not !
Was the test done on a downhill trip? With perfect weather? Of course it was. Try loading up the truck on a cold day and going on a slightly uphill trip. I bet you only get half the mileage you claim.
How's it do when you use it as a truck? Hook the Bayliner on the back. Or couple off road bikes in the bed. Or get the family on board. Not trying to be rude but its a truck.. Nice video by the way
What kind of speeds were you running? What happens if you're cruising at 85? My three decade old Gen 1 still has all the original instrumentation that is fully functional. Who thinks those screens in the new truck will last 30 years? Who thinks Ford will even offer a replacement part after 15 years if they do break? The Gen 1 Lightning has an unmistakable sound and that's just part of the fun. The Gen 2 is faster but I just never liked the 5.4. Turns out overhead cams aren't necessary for a good truck.
So- I guess if you live in an apartment u don't get an ev ?? I own a 2022 powerboost hybrid, non plug in,get 23 mpg combined city/highway and 650 miles per tank. Oh, and it cost 15k less than the lightning. think I'll keep that one, oh and it tows 12000 lbs. 430 hp. 560 foot-pounds.
Just what I want, a truck I can't use for 10 hours because it's battery is dead. Do a real test. Put a boat or loaded trailer behind it and see how far you get before the battery is dead. My truck hauls stuff and pulls a boat to the lake and back. I don't have to worry about running out of fuel. Also, you might want to talk about what actually happens when a lithium battery is produced, the manufacturing process's effect on the environment and the people who mine the raw materials.
This is not the truck for you if you can't charge it overnight at home. And definitely not a truck that I would have bought, if I ever had to use a public charger.
I stopped my order on this ford lightning because i have noticed the dealership kept subtracting stuff i wanted on my truck. So i tell anyone who orders this truck from the dealership dont bother because they wont give u what u want. Ill take my business elsewhere.
Put a boat or utility trailer behind it and turn on the heater for a while and see how it does. Novelty vehicle as built. Might as well drive a Prius with a roof rack.
EV'S certainly not for everyone. But definitely the best F150 that I've ever owned. No more maintenance and averaging $4/100 miles. My last F150 was a 2014 which was lucky to get 10/mpg.
I've been driving electric for 4 years now and find that the only time range really matters is when I go on a longer trip, which usually includes around 80% highway driving with speeds around 70-75mph. It would be nice to see the consumption numbers under these conditions.
I got my VIN from Ford yesterday and I am supposed to take delivery in mid-August. This is the most encouraging video I've seen. Thank you.
That's great, please let us know what you think of the truck. Our other video's might be of interest to you also!
This Lightning is at his perfect spot, suburbs and been use like a car
Why buy this then 😂
That is the majority of trucks sold in the US. I want a truck because they are comfortable, and I like hunting, fishing, camping. I do all those things regularly and seldom drive over 200 miles doing them. I will take the better performance and lower cost of ownership. I also really like the idea of not having to deal with gas station BS ever again.
@TheWtikaiser LOL no instead deal with charging stations that aren't big enough to park your truck at which are at gas stations mostly and take perhaps over an hour to charge. You make a lot of logic and cheaper to maintain? Sure when that battery goes let me know how that wallet feels.
I will take a 40 minute stop a few times a year over weekly stops. The batteries last a long time on average. They have been around for a while at this point and every study shows a lower cost to maintain. All of this information is easily available. Cant park your truck??? Try reading something instead of just spewing retard takes.@@JohnnyLightningV10
Yep if you are towing, the F-150 doesn’t make much sense. As a ranch work truck that just plugs in every few days, it’s fine. All about use case.
Local towing is fine. Range is nearly cut in half, but it still beats all my previous ICE F150's for cost because I charge at home.
@@debbiekonkin5768 Not quite. Extended range towing 24' boat fully loaded boat and truck at freeway (70-80 MPH) will get about 170 mile in mountainous terrain. Since you would start at 100%, you would need two sessions of 40 minutes to charge, and one of those times would likely be when you are boating so that may eliminate one of those charge times. I have charged in that situation many times. I have only unhooked the trailer once among all those times, and it didn't take 15 minutes to do so. However, I agree many chargers are less suited for trailers and sometimes you are parking in a less ideal situation. If you towed constantly long distances, this wouldn't be a good fit. However, it works well for a lot more situations than people believe without actual experience.
My 150 xlt still battery charging to 275 at 100%. If you do not plug in the trailer plug the range is not to bad. I called Ford engineering and they could not explain it. No different then having a ton on a pallet in the box.
This was done under almost ideal conditions. I can get almost 160 miles on a charge in my leaf in warm weather and speeds under 70 mph. In the winter, I'm lucky to get half of that.
245 miles of travel and then needing to recharge is not range. Range is how far you can go out and return back to your starting point without having to recharge. You range is 122.5 miles which I get and more in my gas F-150. EV range is unacceptable and time to recharge is unacceptable for more than short 20 miles or less in-town trips only.
To be fair that's a Leaf dude. Not a real car. Batteries probably way more exposed and not temperature-managed as good as a higher end car.
Fantastic result. I just bought a Lightning with the standard range and was curious on its top range ability. I enjoy you channel and the insight it has given me.
I’m yet to see someone do a range test with the bed loaded to maximum weight
Or hot weather with the air con blasting or even worse, cold winter such as where I am in northern Canada. Case in point, relative of a friend of mine has an oil field type company and he leased a ford lightning to see what it would do for power usage and vehicle usability and he handed it over to one of his employees that has a relatively short commute to work and they plugged it in at work every day. Apparently it was very disappointing in how much power it used and the range was horrible but due to the short commute was not an issue but would never be able to go anywhere distance wise in the winter and plug into what ... a tree ( this is northern Canada after all ! ) , and also it was said that the cab was fricken cold and took the commute to finally warm up. We got as usual some days of -40F or colder last winter, that is the reality of where I live. At the end of the lease it was determined that the lightning used more energy cost wise vs an equivalent ford gas pickup. From what I hear the resale value is not good on those pickups, and for anyone like myself that lives in rural Canada and has to deal with long distances of no services and at times have to tow loads, a pickup like that would be a garage princess .... that is until it burns the garage and house down when the battery decides to go ballistic.
@@debbiekonkin5768 I would imagine Ford has some distance disclaimers to make sure their butt is covered so no one can come back at them when the customer realizes what a variety of real world driving conditions dictate what the actual driving distance experienced is. ( and the towing bills that would be created from driving off in a rural or remote area ) . The good part about a pickup is that a generator can be strapped down in the bed, just bring a pile of gasoline with to power that gen set for a few days, and some food and warm sleeping bag and your all set 😄
Whoa! I ordered a 2023 XLT in Avalanche, as well. Drove it less than 100 miles and traded it in to the ordering dealer for a Bronco. I think I made a mistake. The dealer still has it, too!
There are a lot of poorly informed comments associated with this video. I own a Lightning Pro, standard range, and I use it like a work truck. I've hauled tons of gravel, sheet rock, plywood and construction trash. Its performance fully loaded to GVWR is virtually the same as when I am making a solo drive to the store; neither range or quickness (and trust me, it is faster than ANY production ICE truck on the road) seem to be significantly affected. What does impact range are the same factors that shorten the range of an ICE truck: Speed (aero drag is a big deal, and an F-150 has all the streamlining of a brick). Climbing grades (tho' you get about 70% of the expended energy back on the downhill through regen). Towing. The difference is that the ICE truck starts with a 500+ mile range, so when it is hauling a heavy trailer and is getting 11 MPG, it will still go 250+ miles. One factor that I haven't noticed to have a big impact is temperature. Admittedly, the coldest weather my Lightning has seen was in the mid/high 20°s, but I don't see a dramatic reduction in range when it is cold (I do precondition the vehicle while it is still on the charger).
By the way, when I charge at home using the local utility's EV rate, I get the equivalent of 145 MPG.
To the video creator: Please stop with the "only use the Ford Mobile Charger in an emergency" crap. I use that charger on a 220v, 50 amp circuit and get 6+ kW per hour out of it. Your JuiceBox does not do one wit better.
I noted that using the factory charger plugged into the 120V should be for emergency only as it takes days to charge.
At no time did you qualify your crappy advice by drawing a distinction between the Ford charger’s performance on 110 V versus 220 V. Instead, you simply declared twice that it should only be used in emergencies. What a weasel…
Wow! Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill...lighten up!
Agreed...a lot of theoretical talk, without actual experience/knowledge. It's striking to read the anxiety/fear in these comments. I've had a standard range Lightning since February. It is my work truck for beekeeping--works for me. My longest daily loop is 120-130 miles. In the winter it gets about 220 miles of range, while in the summer, it gets 280-300 miles, based on my driving habits and use of 1-pedal. I have the bed loaded with beekeeping equipment, and the passenger cab with seats flipped up, loaded with filled honey supers (400-600 lbs). I haven't tried towing yet (need to do that), but the longest drive I would need to go to a beekeeping supply company is 160 miles, and there is a Tesla supercharger around Albany, so I can fill up there on the way up and way back, if/when needed. I guess everybody's experience is different. With experience driving the truck, I know what it can do and when I need to plan to charge, so I don't have the range anxiety that I'm hearing a lot on this page. I have charged from 120 volt with the Ford charger delivered with the vehicle up until now (obviously very slow on 120 volts); next week, I'm having an Emporia unit installed on a 240 volt circuit in the garage, so I won't need to go to a Tesla Supercharger station in Brewster NY for a quick fill-up any longer. Our solar panels were turned on this week, so pretty exciting to see the excess energy being put onto the grid after powering the house/batteries/vehicle. generated 80 kWh today, 45 kWh to the grid. Definitely a learning experience, but am feeling very comfortable.
and dont forget that the battery will 100 percent absolutely degrade over time so the range will only go down..it will never go up
Thank you for doing the test. I liked the result. Picking up my XLT next week.
That’s pretty good range for standard.
Now hook a 5,000 lbs trailer to it.
Why ???? Most truck owners never tow anything?
@@daraghmacgabhann1005 I bought a 2016 F165 new and I have towed about 5 times.
The EV haters are going to come for you.
I had the same results.
I hardly never drive my Pro over 65 mph , mostly 62 mph 90% of the time. (65 to pass only)
Good to see that others are enjoying over the rating miles as well.
It's a truck. Use it as trucks are intended, hauling and/or towing, and that range will likely be cut in half or even less. Then factor in effects of weather, extreme cold or heat can both reduce range. I'm still not onboard with EV's for every vehicle type. EV's may make sense for some purposes, small cars used for daily commutes, but in my opinion, not for all. The technology is still in its infancy, not up to the task for all vehicles for all purposes.
A truck is a vehicle like any other. It doesn't have to be "used as trucks are intended." I prefer to drive trucks, I'm 6'3 and like the extra space. I don't tow or haul anything ever and have never owned a car. A crew cab F150 nd similar trucks are the most versatile vehicles there are and are perfect for families whether they are used to tow or not.
Less than 10% of people tow with an f150 per ford’s data..then combine that with the fact that an EV truck ends up solving a ton of day to day practicality issues (bad gas mileage, sluggish acceleration, and no lockable storage) i would argue that an EV Pick up truck is actually the best application of battery technology!
Let's try again when the battery drops to 90% efficiency capacity and 80% and 70%, and the warranty covers 30% of battery replacement.
I'm afraid Ford has another Edsel.
It drops by 2/3 when hauling.
@@JheregCG60 ..... when brand new !
Great test. It answered my questions. Thank you.
Excellent!
How far do you think he would go if you use it as a real truck hauling something or caring some loads? That’s something nobody talks about and I’m really curious about it. I think that would be a great video.
Most reviewers say hauling causes very little range loss it is towing that seriously affects range the more aerodynamic the better the range
I saw a video about that and the guy went 144 miles towing a trailer he said weighed 5000lbs. It might have but it could have been a bit less. He then said a half hour charge would take him 100 miles but since the battery was nearly dead and he needed to go 144 miles I am not sure how useful that was going to be.
there has been many videos on it. it pretty much cuts the range in half.
Great info. I was planning to pay for the extended range but now I think ill reserve the standard range and save about $10.000
Or save $30k and get a gasoline or diesel?
Tell me where you finding these $20,000 trucks genius.@@AndreAndFriends
Can you try the range test with a load in the bed and towing a trailer?
This truck not designed for pulling and hauling…it’s a commuter that can get some light work done. Folks need to accept that. If you transitioning into EV world it’s because you want to get away from the cost of fuel. If you doing hardcore towing and hauling this is not for you.
Too bad Ford took the $7500 EV credit that was renewed in March by raising the cost of the Lighting by $6,000 to $7,000 the very next day of the Government's announcement. Smacks of corporate greed! That's why I canceled my reservation... Goodbye Greedy FORD!
that's not bad! even if one smashing the accelerator and do 80 mph, this ford lighting may still get 190 miles, which is pretty good...but the biggest problem is electrify America charging is bogus! very little charging stations and often the chargers at the stations are broken. No problem though, sooon enough, Ford will adopt the Tesla charging plug and Tesla Super Charger will be open; that's when road tripping this Ford Lighting will become reality.
Agree. The charging infrastructure is a issue
Thanks for sharing and getting straight to the point very informative
And it blows in the cold. Plus, just had mine towed last night because it won't move after a bunch of warnings and error codes.
Probably a battery issue, I'm considering trading for the Powerboost. Keep us posted on your repair.
@@EV_Insider funny, I had a Powerboost and traded in for a Lightning
Which do you like better now? Any issues with Powerboost?
@EV_Insider no issues with the powerboost. I like that I could get over 500 miles on a tank of gas. During warm weather, 23.5mpg. I like some aspects of the lighting, but there are downfalls and inconveniences to having an EV. I would never get the standard battery. Still no word on the repair yet
@EV_Insider still in the shop.....
I would like to see what a ev does pulling a trailer with a 3000 lb race car on it and 500 lb of gear in the bed along with three crew members
A EV is not the vehicle for you.
I love the idea of the all electric vehicles. I just had to put that out there right away. But, I've always believed the target audience for the Lightning are people who, on a day to day basis, drive less than 100 miles a day. Before retiring my daily commute was 85 miles/day. Most people have a shorter commute than that. It's ideal for service vehicles, as long as you don't need to travel distances that would require a charge during the day. The one subject I don't hear people in the comments saying is; what do they drive, how far do they drive and what are their vehicle needs. In my case, my Ford Ecoboost is used for servicing my rental properties and when I want to get away I tow my travel trailer to the mountains. So, the Lightning won't work for me. The Powerboost is one option I have my eyes on because most of my day to day is in town driving.
For now, I think hybrids will provide most people with a more enjoyable driving experience. But, i see hybrids as stepping stones to the next generation of vehicles.
Great video and I look forward to seeing more of your experiences with the LIghtning. Thanks
Thanks for sharing, you might enjoy my latest video that addresses if the Lightning is the right truck for you or not: th-cam.com/video/XqftOIfv99I/w-d-xo.html
Yup in case of an emergency I gotta charge it up and wait four days and I hope my emergency waits for me
So unlike Tesla, the range is actually close to accurate?
For those coming to "roast" my comment: I owned a Tesla Model 3 SR+ which was rated for 240 miles of range. If I got 180 miles of range out of it on the highway, I'd be a happy camper. Unfortunately there's no regulation for EV's and their range estimates. But Tesla definitely needs some kind of reassessment on their real-world range. I'm glad to see Ford at least being accurate and from some research, I've seen Hyundai/Kia also providing accurate range estimates too.
Great feedback, thanks! The Lightning has exceeded my expectations so far. This is the first EV I have owned.
@@EV_Insider thanks. And don't let me get started on degradation. The battery on my Tesla was definitely degrading rapidly.
It got so bad, I live 80 miles from Universal Orlando and when I got the car I could make a round trip. But over time and the battery degrading, I literally had to charge after being at the parks for the day just to make it back home. I could not do a 160 mile roundtrip. That was with cabin overheat protection and other parked features disabled to conserve battery while parked.
That's crazy.
@@RobertoMezquiaJr One thing is that Tesla uses a different EPA test than most manufacturers. It tends to be a little more "optimistic". Here is a link....th-cam.com/video/b6Oel4klhjI/w-d-xo.html
@@EV_Insider Same here. I have had several prius hybrids gas/electric. Usually averaging 50 mpg.
Thanks for doing this
I have the Ford charger but have connected to 240. And recharges fully overnight with 10% on truck. So really no need to buy additional equipment. But I did have an electrician setup the 240 outlet.
my XLT long range has 1400 miles . 1 pedal drive, with rack and tonneau cover. I drive 45 mil today and it drop from 310 to 220 mi (98%-78%)
petty good for driving it empty , now put some load and compare, use it like a a truck
Hauling doesn't really effect my range. Towing it's nearly cut in half. But not unlike any other F150 that I've ever owned. 2014 V8 F150 , I was lucky to get 10/mpg. Towing was closer to 5/mpg. Most gas trucks mileage is cut in half doing any serious Towing.
That is not enough for our daily service truck fleet use when new, and certainly not enough when the battery has deteriorated a few months from now. I'll bet when you add 600 pounds of work gear and ladder rack to the load it is significantly reduced. I also bet that you were not in stop and go traffic for long periods or keeping up with traffic for many miles of the trip.
I hope you've done a lot more research since making this comment. Loading up the bed even close to max weight has negligible effects on range. Towing will effect range but that's also well discussed. The battery deterioration is just an inflammatory and uneducated comment that also include no proof, research, or justification. The batteries have been studied and the same batteries are purchased by Tesla and are showing minimal deterioration and range reduction over several years and 100K miles. That's not to say that they don't lose some of their ability to reach their original max range but to say that in a few months the range will be reduced to unusable amounts is exactly the type of misinformation that is spread against EVs. EVs are not for everyone and despite plenty of content out there reinforcing that, there's still way too many people who choose to not talk about use case which is important to note. If the range isn't enough for your daily service fleet but please provide more context as to your use case that would warrant such a statement. Also, stop-and-go traffic is actually better for these vehicles than an ICE, they're much more efficient at lower speeds and 'around town' driving than an ICE. They suffer at higher speeds because battery performance/range is more effected by aerodynamics than ICE vehicles so the highway ranges are actually lower than city ranges.
Please do that test again this time with either more passengers or more cargo. You ran that test under very ideal conditions. Warm weather, no cargo and what looked like a pretty sedate driving style. Will the F-150 lighting do that range under all conditions and all weather types?
Sean, I was driving in all types of conditions/speeds, interstate, highway and city. You might be interested in this video as well: th-cam.com/video/XqftOIfv99I/w-d-xo.html
@EV_Insider My friend used his heat and it got less than 170 miles true story he got stuck on the side of highway because he was one mile short of a charger. Truck got sold the following week.
@@JohnnyLightningV10 Electric cars have a long way to go before they are suitable for the general public and their every day needs. I don't know why all the governments around the world are pushing EVs so hard? They simply are not ready.
@@mydroneadventures8807 When a new technology comes along it's usually better than the thing it is replacing. EV cars don't meet that description. They have shorter range, take hours to recharge and are a serious fire risk. And finally, they are very expensive to buy and repair.
@@mydroneadventures8807 At least with a petrol or diesel car I don't have to worry about the car self igniting on my driveway or in my garage and burning the house down.
I have a XLT with the standard battery on order. I mostly drive within 70 miles of my home between work and the city. I think the standard range will be just fine, and a good replacement for my Long Range Model 3.
How far in the winter or with a load in it need to be tested sa its alot shorter range
Gutsy range test in relatively ideal conditions. Appeared to be warm enough for A/C use but unknown if it was used. Of course battery life suffers when run down too low so it isn't recommended by manufacturers. And over time the battery loses capacity anyway so don't expect 245mile range over time. I would anticipate range anxiety with such a low max estimated range.
I'm considering a 2024 Lightning or the Powerboost. I need a truck to tow a hybrid trailer and two sleds about 2 hours away and back again. I'm learning towards the pb because of towing performance/cold issues with the Lightning. But not having to pay for gas is a huge bonus.
I would recommend the Powerboost. You are going to run into range issues if you are towing with the Lightning.
@@EV_Insider Yeah, the reason electric is so darn wanted is the cost of gas to get to said location, filling up two sleds with premium gas/oil...etc. lol. What was once a rather affordable hobby is becoming out of reach.
You have some great efficiency (2.4-2.5m/kWh)! Any tips on how to maximize efficiency on the Lightning in your experience?
Burn it and blame it on the battery and get your money back.
Sell it and buy a real truck instead of an electric Tonka toy.
I would think a bed cover might give you more range.
Gee, you're getting a lot helpful hints. (sarc)
I'll throw my 2 cents in here (even though this is a year old) since most other people seem to want to troll. It's just all about moderate driving techniques. Don't stomp on it at every stop light, keep your speeds under 65 mph (unless you're on highway of course) and use 1 pedal driving efficiently. Around town, and commuting on lower speed highways or whatever, these efficiency numbers are easy to get to if you're driving moderately to conservatively. Once you're on the highway or towing, your range will start to go down but it's all about use case. It's absolutely not discussed enough how your use case effects your decision to purchase an EV, epsecially an EV truck. Loading up the bed has minimal impact on the range but hitching a trailer to it that weighs 5000 lbs does. You can do plenty of 'truck' things in one of these if you aren't expecting to go super far all of the time or tow huge loads frequently. Even towing is possible (tons of power just not far ranges) if you don't plan to tow a ton across a long distance frequently.
Ah I know 180th and Dodge when I see it
Me personally, I cancelled my Lightning order. I have an F150. IMO a family needs vehicles to fill 3 needs- work/grocery getter, road trip, and hauler. One vehicle can fill more than one need. In the end, a Bolt EUV made more sense economically than a Lightning. I always thought the EUV was a goofy vehicle, a half-ass attempt, until I looked at the specs as far as legroom. It is a perfect grocery getter/work vehicle, and will be paid off quickly- purchase price $36k incl taxes, fees, etc not factoring in tax credit. For me, an ideal Lightning would have a standard cab, or extended cab, standard bed. It certainly is luxurious, and a smooth ride- but trucks are brick walls we drive as far as aerodynamics. For example, 2.5 mi/kwh is what the EUV would get if I drove like a teenager and broke every speed limit. A long distance trip to AL at 55-65mph yielded 3.8 mi/kwh, AC set at 74. A good trick I learned that I’ll pass along is not to use CC, and instead maintain kw output when climbing hills- lose 5-10 mph. Also, do not regenerate downhill, instead try to regenerate only enough to maintain 0-5 kwh usage downhill either maintaining speed or accelerating slightly. The CC will regen downhill, and push the vehicle to maintain speed uphill resulting in a net loss because you will use more to maintain speed uphill than you regen downhill. I use just enough regen downhill to cover climate and accessories, and I did make sure that I got back up to or over highway speeds before ascending the next hill. I was surprised at the 3.8 figure, expecting 3.5 or less. I’m sure this trick will work just as well for Lightnings. The Lightning, as it is made now, just doesn’t fit into a use case for me.
Great insight, thanks for sharing!
I can go 475 miles on 16 gallons of unleaded. Just saying. EVs have a bit more progress to make before I'd consider buying one. Oh and gas stations are everywhere, and I can fill up in less than 10 minutes.
My truck gets like 400 miles too with like 300 miles towing over 10k lol.
You’re definitely not driving a full size truck with the 30 mpg you get, but we all understand what you’re saying. EV’s are just starting, wait a few years. Oh, ICE vehicles started 100 years ago, and we’re still at trucks that get 12 mpg.
@@debbiekonkin5768 You’re information is not complete or current, it’s understandable that you believe the break even point you’re using. Update your knowledge, you’ll see there’s a vast difference with reality and your interpretation of fact. By the way, the initial point was comparing full size pickup mileage, then you respond about a Maverick, wow.
@@debbiekonkin5768 Society has evolved to where we are because humans invent things to make life better, people like you are what’s holding back our future.
@@dominiquejeannin4510Forcing people by law to drive giant heavy batteries with limited range is not the future
So what you are saying is if I wanted to drive from LA to Atlanta it will take me 10 days to do it. Definitely not a touring vehicle. I'm sure it's great for a grocery getter. And an expensive one at that.
This wouldn't be the best EV for highway road tripping, but it's nowhere near as bad as you suggest. LA-Atlanta = about 2,200 miles. 32 hours of driving at 70 mph + 12 charging stops at 40 minutes each = about 41 hour trip. That's about 8.5 hours worth of stops. Most ICE vehicles would accumulate about 4 hours worth of fuel and bathroom breaks on such a trip, so it would add about 4-5 hours to such a road trip to do with an EV.
That's crazy. Doing 70 mph on the highway on an 800 mile road trip I just took. I averaged 1.7. I have the lariat extended range. I did have some wind against me in both directions on my trip.
How was the charging on your trip? How much time did it add to your overall drive?
@@EV_Insider not sure the overall time. EA stations worked good. We never had to wait but there were people waiting for us. Ev go in East st Louis was fast also. 165 tapering to 120's $.48. Went to a charger in Hannibal Mo that was 80-90 kwh speed the whole time. That sucked. $.48 per kWh was expensive I think.
We have 5 of them at my office. Once you start towing the range decreases exponentially.
When towing it decreases the same percentage as a gas or diesel. I towed the same trailer in two SUVs one was EV and the other was ICE. Literally same percentage of decrease in range happened.
You are only scared because you have range anxiety. But the matter fact is you will have to stop as frequent in both cars. With gas you’ll fill up a little faster. In an EV you’ll pay about %25 of what you pay in gas so your trip will be a lot cheaper. And depending on the charging port and charger you might have to remove your trailer to charge “if you don’t want to take 3 spots to charge your car.
You pick your poison.
For comparison, I've seen other tests with the ER battery where highway max range in good conditions at constant 70 MPH with ER battery is 270 miles. I would guess SR battery might be closer to 220 under those conditions. I'd say the ER battery is worth it, if you can afford the extra cost, as it better enables occasional highway trips. It's capable of everything but long range towing, where a combination of shorter range, insufficient chargers, and few if any pull through chargers make towing a PITA. Some nay sayers try to say it's useless because you can't tow a massive horse trailer across country, but that's a niche use case. For me, I tow around town and use truck beds plenty, and it meets all those needs. In the past year, I've hauled mulch, large gravel, pea gravel, multiple trips to the dump, equipment like compactors, I've pulled a dump trailer and a tow behind auger both around town. It does all those things just fine. Bed could be bigger, but people in general just love the huge back seats in F-150s that force a shorter bed, so that's the config you can get it in. That's not specifically an EV issue though.
This isn't discussed enough and you're right. It's frustrating we don't talk about 'use case' enough. The recent opening of V3 and V4 Tesla Superchargers alleviates a lot of the headache on longer range trips but I also went with the ER battery anyway for the same reason you mentioned. Public charging is improving but the highlight is teh ability to juice up at home every night and have your range ready to go in the morning. Of course charging to 100% all of the time isn't great for the battery but I'm extremely pleased to have 270+ miles of range available to me every day if I want it. I also recommend an ER if one can afford it. I made the tradeoff of an XLT or Lariat SR to snag a 2023 Pro ER that a fleet order didn't pick up. I missed out on a few features (most of which the XLT had that I can add after the fact for a fraction of the cost) but the range was far more important to me. The use cases of people trailering huge loads long distances on a regular basis should understand that this truck is not for them and that's totally fine. Everyone should be able to choose the car that fits them and their lifestyle the best without other folks having to throw shade at it. You can do plenty of 'truck' things with this and be extremely happy with it. People also need to understand that you won't always be driving under ideal conditions but that's OK as long as they understand that ahead of time. Too many people think it's cool and dive in without research and then are shocked to hear towing or cold weather or higher speeds reduce your range. It's well documented and discussed and readily available information. Unfortunately, that piles on to the disdain for EVs, especially trucks, when you have a bunch of uninformed consumers regretting their choice and then being mad when they go to resell in 6 months and realize the depreciation. I love my Lightning and everyone who has gotten into it (except my one friend who's a massive Tesla snob and thing that the roads shouldn't be graced with any other EV) has been thrilled to drive it and experience it and have nothing but good things to say about it. To each their own!
Thats about a half tank in my 3/4 ton.
How much was your fuel cost? How much caron monoxide did you create?
So you are about 200 miles of range at 80 percent and where you should be on driving range . Not much different from letting a gas tank go below a quarter tank before filling up .
So the way I see it is you have 200 miles of range which appears to be flat highway driving without the use of air conditioning or heat .
I think the mobile charger in 240 volt mode is useable so if your on a trip and get a Airbnb you would like to have a 240 outlet available . It can be dedicated or maybe a electric dryer outlet is available in the garage . So you could take a 400 mile trip and only have to charge once and to me that's a best case scenario
Great comments.
For a general rule of thumb I usually tell people you can drive (in a variety of conditions) around 190 miles without any worries. For around town, that typically means several days between charges.
@@EV_Insider My daily drives seldom exceed 60 miles & I usually plug in when I get home. Only charge to 85% platinum so it's a little heavier. On average I can drive 100 miles for about $4. So towing range is nearly cut in half so $4/50 miles. Still much better than any previous F150's that I've owned.
Drive it in Minnesota in the winter, and see how quickly you can get to the dealership to trade it in. These trucks are near-worthless.
They make for a spectacular bonfire though I hear, that was a while back one burst into flames in an oilfield equipment parking lot taking with it some very expensive oilfield equipment, I bet they were impressed.
@@debbiekonkin5768 That is quite something its said when one of those EV's catches on fire, its quite the challenge for firefighters to put one out with tons of water due to that chemical reaction taking place within the battery. In fact it says its typical for an average vehicle to require 1000 gallons of water to put out, where as an EV will require 40000 gallons. What fire truck carries that volume of water ... well none of course, not even remotely. Also these EV vehicles are a potential danger for hours after a collision of going into self combusting mode, its scary stuff. One things for sure, anyone inside of an EV when its burning will certainly have a complete cremation !.
Great, now do that in a real-life situation, meaning load it full of gear, tools, people, etc. Then test your range.
Most pickups I see in the rural area where I live have empty beds (sometimes a silver tool box), no trailer, and one person- the driver.
@@brucefarber9875 That's like saying most cars you see on the road hardly have passengers in the back seat. What people want to know is how they operate in "truck" situations, just because you aren't loaded down all the time it doesn't mean it's not important to know it's capabilities.
WHATABOUT to load this truck with something? Its a truck right ??? 👀
Now all you need is the coming adaptor for SC network.
Thanks!
Did that trip take 9 hours to complete. If so that’s an average of 27 mph. You got some good mileage.
Are there even charging options in the wild? All I ever hear is people getting stranded in these 90k vehicles 😂
An electric vehicle seems like a big pain in the a$$.
I got the hybrid Maverick a few months ago and it’s a total joy. I’ve filled it up 4 times!
How fast were you driving on average. My commute is 35miles one way and I drive 60mph
What was your average speed? That timer shows 9hrs. So this was an around town low speed test?
It was in all conditions around town, interstate going 80 and highway. I good all around test
Fantastic range. What was your average speed?
I was driving in all conditions around town and on the interstate over a couple of days. I wanted to see what the “real world driving” range would be.
Nice truck but no thanks. My 2016 Colorado Z71 is paid off and still looks and runs great. It has a 21 gallon tank giving it well over 400 miles of range unladen. With rebates and dealer discount I paid less than 34k for it. I have owned three F150s in past years, all gassers and all were affordable.
Grossly overpriced, too short a range, too long to charge.
My 1985 dodge d 150 with the slant 6 and 4 speed manual. Can go 335 miles and takes 3 min to fill up. I paid 800 for it.. ehhh I use trucks for truck stuff. No ac but 800 bucks though…
245 miles in a little over 9 hours 🙃 So your average speed was 27 miles per hour 🤣. You should do a highway range test where your average speed is at least 65 mph.
I was driving in a variety of conditions over the course of a couple days, interstate, highway, city, etc.
Did you have tailwind?
So you're on the freeway, the next charger is 50 miles away, no problem. You get there and the charger cables have been stolen for the copper value. Good luck.
Were you driving for 9 hours?
NXT time shows us bi directional charging if you have one
Not bad I guess. That means for me almost 400 km. How much share of the route was highway driving?
That gets little more than half my jeep wrangler jk with 35 inch tires, towing 3k gets on a full tank. If I'm spending that kind of money on a truck, and I can't use it for it's entire point for existence then what is the point. Electric trucks great for show in the city, incapable of work anywhere else.
EV's are not for everyone, you have to be ok with the limits of them. The comparison to gas trucks is like apples to oranges.
@@EV_Insider I agree with “EV’s are not for everyone.” Well of course they’re not, it’s a new issue that is having direct legislative affect and impact. It’s both effectively being forced upon everyone from the average person to entire companies.
Additionally, no, gas vehicles and electric vehicles are a direct comparison. The directly compete with one another and electric vehicles are being made to take over the markets that has gas vehicles currently hold. In fact it’s EV manufacturers that make the comparisons themselves, it’s the media that shuts down any criticism, so yes it’s apples to apples. If you’re being made to replace something, you should be better in every way. Not, reduce longevity, distance, rate of refuel, and throw a bunch of unrepairable, unreliable electronics for the sake of being gimmicks. Just to tell consumers that either they buy this now or someday down the road that choice will be made for them.
I do believe they make great Sedans and sport cars, and some decent SUVs. Then that’s about where that ends, they’re not great at everything, they’re not greener for the environment. They shouldn’t be influencing legislation to forcibly shutdown the production gas vehicles. However, that’s what they’re being used for, filling the pockets of politicians and the wealthy and hurting everyone else in their greed.
I conceptually love EV, but, I hate the message that their manufacturers, the media, and politicians are promoting with them.
@@jbirdzz I agree with most of what you're saying here , especially about forcing EV'S on everyone. I don't believe there is a real danger of that happening in the near future, even though they say it will. California is an excellent example of this, all the while limiting the use of electricity during peak hours. I own a lightning and it's perfect for me, I traded in my car & truck for it. Retired 73, I have no desire to travel anymore after 30 years with the FAA. I'm glad there are so many people that EV'S don't fit their lifestyles. If we were flooded with EV'S as they want, there is no doubt that our electrical grid will not handle them. Myself, I have a 13 kw solar system which even on cloudy days supply enough power for my home and charge my solar batteries. And if that fails I have 2 - 11 kw generac generators that run off a 1000 gallon propane tank. And then I have my lightning that can supply a total of 9600 watts of power from a 131 kwh battery. I've owned a lot of F150's so when ford came out with this truck, it was a dream come true in every way. Truck, luxury car and a vehicle that will do 0 - 60 in just over 4 seconds. Who could as for more.
@@jbirdzz Well put. If your going out to the boonies, buy a 8 kw genset, adaptor and half a dozen 5 gal fuel jugs.Then you can fuel up your genset, plug in your charger, and voila! In only 10 hpurs your'hybrid' can go another 240 miles in only 14 hours!
If your towing an rv, cut your range in half.
How far can the ev go.... it can go straight to bankruptcy!
Well for a standard f-150 theres a 23gal fuel tank,at 18mpg thats 414 miles,less towing obviously,but it can tow and still have more range,,,i'd say that adds up to a loosing proposition for the EV.
I believe many of these "EV's aren't ready yet" comments come from a position of ignorance. All I keep reading are the exceptions (towing and wanting 400+ miles). Honestly, how often do you tow or drive more than 200+ miles in a single day? If you answer "all the time" then YOU are the exception and shouldn't place your bias on an entire class of very capable vehicles. I'll bet the house most negative EV commenters have NEVER actually drove one. Are EVs right for everyone?...definitely not. Are EV's a good alternative for the majority of commuters?...absolutely!
We agree and have stated many times that EV"s are not right for everyone. I traded in my 2017 F-150 for the Lightning and would not switch back to a ICE truck. The Lightning is a far superior driving experience. The only downfall is range and for the times we take a long road trip we use our 2nd vehicle, which is a Kia Telluride. Now that Ford is partnering with Telsa on access to their chargers, that only helps.
Very unimpressed. Possibly the most useless vehicle I have ever seen in modern times, a truck that can't tow anything at all and would take 5 full charges to get from my house to my time share. Wow what an advancement. All for the low low price price of $75000. Nop wonder they can't sell them, not even at auction.
100,000 dollars, then spend money on a charger 😒 to get 200 miles a charge ? Then, when battery goes bad ,what ? There's 40,000 more dollars ? + pay for electricity to charge ! Sounds super doable for most people ...Not !
Was the test done on a downhill trip? With perfect weather? Of course it was. Try loading up the truck on a cold day and going on a slightly uphill trip. I bet you only get half the mileage you claim.
Like everybody wants battery anziety
How's it do when you use it as a truck? Hook the Bayliner on the back. Or couple off road bikes in the bed.
Or get the family on board.
Not trying to be rude but its a truck..
Nice video by the way
It would have went about another 50 miles past 0. Ford leaves a lot of battery left for emergency use.
Here in Canada....winter condition ,,,you have 120 miles of range....this is why Ford Lighning is not seiling......never see one so far
120 mile range would work well for me. My daily trips are seldom over 60 miles.
I’ll take my petro F150 any day
I have lariat with extended battery should have bought standard range 😮
I would've been happy with a standard range battery. I seldom drive more than 60 miles a day.
If you did Highway only at 75 mph, you may 200 miles!
What kind of speeds were you running? What happens if you're cruising at 85? My three decade old Gen 1 still has all the original instrumentation that is fully functional. Who thinks those screens in the new truck will last 30 years? Who thinks Ford will even offer a replacement part after 15 years if they do break? The Gen 1 Lightning has an unmistakable sound and that's just part of the fun. The Gen 2 is faster but I just never liked the 5.4. Turns out overhead cams aren't necessary for a good truck.
So- I guess if you live in an apartment u don't get an ev ?? I own a 2022 powerboost hybrid, non plug in,get 23 mpg combined city/highway and 650 miles per tank. Oh, and it cost 15k less than the lightning. think I'll keep that one, oh and it tows 12000 lbs. 430 hp. 560 foot-pounds.
" take your foot off the gas ? What ? Lol
I bought the pro and it turned out to go 321
If this is evolution Spring Vallet WHY did people let it get to this after trauma and why did 2017 have to be so abomidable
The range is limited if you put a load on it which kind of makes it useless as a truck!
You should see what my new 2024 flash can do and tows a 14' 14,000 lbs. Dump trailer. Won't go back to ICE.
To me, it's a $$100K novelty vehicle at this point!!! Why buy a truck if you're going to drive it like a Camry?
And with Unlimited Range but just Google F150 UNLIMITED RANGE
Just what I want, a truck I can't use for 10 hours because it's battery is dead. Do a real test. Put a boat or loaded trailer behind it and see how far you get before the battery is dead. My truck hauls stuff and pulls a boat to the lake and back. I don't have to worry about running out of fuel. Also, you might want to talk about what actually happens when a lithium battery is produced, the manufacturing process's effect on the environment and the people who mine the raw materials.
This is not the truck for you if you can't charge it overnight at home. And definitely not a truck that I would have bought, if I ever had to use a public charger.
150 to the game 150 back so it won't work for me. I gotta get back not hang around college towns
I stopped my order on this ford lightning because i have noticed the dealership kept subtracting stuff i wanted on my truck. So i tell anyone who orders this truck from the dealership dont bother because they wont give u what u want. Ill take my business elsewhere.
I ordered mine directly through the Ford website, didn’t have any issues.
Get to the point.
5:50
Put a boat or utility trailer behind it and turn on the heater for a while and see how it does. Novelty vehicle as built. Might as well drive a Prius with a roof rack.
EV'S certainly not for everyone. But definitely the best F150 that I've ever owned. No more maintenance and averaging $4/100 miles. My last F150 was a 2014 which was lucky to get 10/mpg.
I can fill up my ice truck and drive for 400+
Just invest in long extension cords.
LOL @ 3:14, let off the *GAS* on his electric truck, old habits die slowly.
Yeah, On related topic, how many people say "Are you filming?" instead of 'Are you recording?" "Film" is developed. Like you say... old habits.
try it when it's cold outside with a realistic load in the bed. that's why people aren't buying it
If your just going to drive around like your in a car use it as a truck it sucks