Sir. Even during my Upanayanam some 17 years back, our Vadakalai purohits brought one Thenkalai purohit too along with them to help them in the various rituals. That Tenkalai Purohit chanted the Sanskrit Vedas very beautifully. I was just reminded about this incident as you spoke. Thank You Sir.
Sir... Fantastic explaination. I belong to Vadakalai samprathayam. Many Vadakalai purohits are experts in 4000 Divya Prabhanthams. I have personally seen it. I recently took Samashreyanam and Bharanyasam from my Acharyan, Srimad Azhagiyasingar of Sri Ahobila Mutt. I found many purohits chanting 4000 Divya Prabhanthams so beautifully. Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha. Jai SrimanNarayana.
@ParankusaRamanujanSir. Sri Ahobila Mutt is a Vadakalai Mutt only. They follow the teachings of Sri Vedanta Desika. The Kalaksheba parampara and Samashreya parampara of the mutt also confirms this. Further, I have read from the mutt portal that Sri Manavala Maamunigal took Sanyasa from the 1st jeeyar of Sri Ahobila Mutt, Sri Adhivan Sadagopa Yatheenthra Mahadesikan. In Sri Vaishnava Sampradayam only a saint can initiate another person into sainthood. Back in the 14th century, the words Vadakalai and Tenkalai never existed. People who followed through the spiritual lineage of Pillai Lokacharya came to be known as Tenkalai's and those who followed the spiritual lineage of Sri Vedanta Desika came to be known as Vadakalai's. Infact despite having many doctrinal differences, they stood together in worshipping the Lord Vishnu. Thank You Sir. Jai SrimanNarayana.
I 100% accept all of your opinions. The next thing for the government is to start a vedic school where person from any caste will be able to learn Vedas and Agamas and be Archagas in all the temples including Agama temples. The reason for this being all the 95% of Thenkallai and Vadagalai Iyengars are now not following the Sampradaya and many of embrased western cultures. As Krishna states in Bhagavad Gita, we have to change according to the times without compromising on Dharmic principles and hence we have to be inclusive and not exclusive.
Very good explanation. Actually God didn't make caste and religion. God created all living things but only human beings are fighting like flesh eating animals.
Nice explanation , Gopala tapani upanishat explains about tiruman(urdwhapundra) . Can i know how did they originate? The tenkalai and vadakalai urdwhapundra(s)? Because as far as i have studies many books , they proclaim that after the period of shri ramanuja the division appeared. Some even say it can be traced back to shri yamunacharaya himself. In this case what kind of urdwhapundra was shri ramanuja wearing? Which sect(tenkalai or vadakalai) appeared first? Some even say from shri ramanuja tenkalai was evolved
As time passes more such urdwhapundras might become normal. ISKON'S urdwpundra is roughly 200 yrs old , Goplaa tapani upanishat says the rules and glories of urdwhapundra.
i wonder if they read or understood srimad Bhagavad Gita properly bcoz Gita is only veda i ever know and it's very easy to understand lord and go to our permanent home called vaikuntha ❤️👏Infact lord says in gita am the Veda and i knower of the Vedas...So y they are in this much of discrimination among them 🙄#bhagavan shri krishna paramatma ki jai ❤️srimad Bhagavad Gita ki jai
This is not the fight on Sidhantha but now it has turned as might is right. In Kancheepuram temple the temple administration i.e. both the Executive Trustee and the Maniakar (who hails from a vadakalai family and also blood related to the Vadakalai Thathacharis are the prime responsible for the problems at Kancheepuram Sri Varadaraja Perumal temple. In that temple there are some mirasi rights conferred by the court based on the evidences, customs and usage. Accordingly, the only right the Thenkalai Commumity has is the right of Adhyapaka Mirasi. There was no issues for over a century. On 01.02.2018 a group of Vadakalais who have nothing to say in the temple coming with a big mass came to the temple and started their attrocity in the temple with the whole hearted and physical cooperation of the then Executive Trustee and the Maniakar. They allowed it willfully for what consideration only they know. One of the Govt. Pleader represented HR&CE by name Mr. Maharaja sent a letter to the Coissioner that the Hon'ble High Court of Madras *orally* ordered for the recitstion of the banned tamil verses said to be authered by Swamy Vedanta Desikan. In the earlier judgments right from 1882 till the date of the alledged oral order of the Hon'ble Madras High Court there has been a clearcut ruling that the tamil verses of Shri Vedsnta Desikan should not be recited at Shri Varadaraja Perumal Temple at any time. With the letter of the Govt. Pleader dated 20.09.2018 he informed the Commissioner that the Court had allowed the recitation of the Tamil verses of Shri Vedanta Desikan by the Thenkalai people. When the Thenkalsis are not enquired at the court, when they are not the party in the Writ Petition filed by an unconnected person of the temple, the Thenkalsis refused for the recitation. One N Tyagarajan who was the E.T. of the temple at that time delibrately and wantenly evicted the Thenkslais on that 750th birthday celebration of Shri Vedanta Desikan with the help of the huge police force and did the violation of the court orders and the custom and usage of the temple allowed the vadakalsis to recite the banned one. A contrmpt petiyion was filed by Thenkalsis and the Court in its judgment travelled beyond the jutisdiction of the contempt and made a way which are all against the same court and even larger benches. That order was set aside by the Division Bench of Madras High Court after ten months. Even after that order the vadakalais are showing their muzzle and money power in preventing the Thenkalais to exercise their mirasi rights. There will be no problem if people limit themselves within their limit and strictly follow the court orders. It is the inheritted habit of the Kancheepuram vadakalsis and those vadakalais supporting them to sincerely violate the court orders and do attrociyies. When the thenkalais fight for their rights it will be in the eyes of the general public that it is the fight of vadakalai and thenkalais and they do not know that the culprits are vadakslais only. These vadakalais do not claim or disturb the services of Thathacharies but trying to eliminate the thenkalais from exerciding their adhyapaka mirasi rights as their main agenda may be to eliminate the Thenkslais from the temple itself. Some advocates are talking about duel services in Adhyapakam seviices only and they do not say anything regarding duel services in the mirasi of the Vadakalai Thathacharis. In a recent interview the Secretary of the Thathachari Sabha made it very clear that neither the nonthathachari vadakalais nor the thenkalais can interfere in the services of Thathacharis. So it is not the thenkalais who are creating problems but it is by the vadakalai people only.
அருமை ஐயா! எனது குழப்பத்தை நீக்கி தெளிவுபடுத்துங்கள். நஞ்சீயர் என்பவர் துவைத சித்தாந்தத்தை தோற்றுவித்த மத்வாச்சாரியாரை குறிப்பிடுகிறார்களா? அல்லது வேற நபரா? ஏனெனில் இவர் காலமும் 12 ஆம் நூற்றாண்டு ... (பிழையிருந்தால் மன்னிக்கவும்)
ஈரங்கொல்லி கண்டெடுத்த நம்பெருமாள் என்னும் ஶ்ரீரங்கநாதர் வடகலையா தென்கலையா 1953ல் சன்நிதி தீபற்றி எரிந்தபோது லஷ்மிநாராயணன் என்ற போலிஸ் அதிகாரி உள்ளே இருந்த ரங்கநாதரின் நெற்றியைபார்த்து வடகலையுமில்லை தென்கலையுமில்லை ஒருகோடுதான் இருந்தது என.தன்புத்தகத்தில் எழுதியுள்ளார் பெருமாளை ஏளபண்ணிவரும்போது கோஷ்டியில் பிரபந்தம்தான் பாடப்பட்டுவருகிறது அதுவும் கைகட்டாமல் சந்திசொல்லவேண்டும் என்பதுசம்பிரதாயமாம் பின்னால்தான் வேதம் சொல்லப்படுகிறது ஒருவர்கையை ஒருவர்பிடித்து சொல்லிவரவேண்டுமாம் காரணம் பெருமாள் ஓடிவிடாமல் இருக்க இதைபரமாச்சியார்தவறாக சொல்லியிருக்கிறார் அதைவிடுவோம் முதலில் மொழிப்போர் துவங்கியவர்களே ஆழ்வார்கள்தான் என்பது அடியேனுடைய அபிப்பிராயம் வேதம் தமிழ் செய்த சடகோப்பன் நாலாயிரம் திராவிடவேதம் என்பனபோன்றவை என்கருத்துக்குவலிவூட்டுகின்றன இதெல்லாம் நீங்கவேண்டுமென்றால் ஆகமம்படித்த பிறசாதியினரை அர்சகராக்கிவிடலாமே அந்த 279பேரை ஆனால் வெங்கடேசபெருமாள் தன்நாமத்தை நான் கமிட்டடாக போட்டுக்கொண்டிருக்கிறார் வைணவர்கள்.இட்டு இடு கொள்ளுதல் என்றவார்த்தையை மறந்துவிட்டார்கள் அது ஆண்டாளோடு போச்சோ பெரியார் வழிவந்தநானெல்லாம் உங்களுக்கு வழிகாட்டவேண்டியதாய் இருக்கிறது இன்னமும் நீங்களே கடவுள் விஷயத்தில் ஆழங்கால் படவில்லை
Vedakalai or Thenkalai smapradahyam is useless unless you have good behaviour. I see 90% of todayThenkalai or Vadakalai sect who do not have empathy, compassion and are very greedy and still considered them as Sri Vaishavas. They are called caste Vadakalai or castThenkalai sect and must not be called them as Sri Vaishnavas.
These are all curse on the total community. Smartanushtanam is common for all dwijas. Vishnu bhakti cult is Vaishnavism In that caste does not come in picture but for vaidik procedure. so also Saiva.. even the aadi Saiva also smarta in anushtana but have additional samaya deeksha, which is for all. So, be it Saiva or Vaishnava it is for all but vaidik practice by birth since it starts right from the age of three(choulam) It is connected to way of life food and other practices it's followed heridity with strict discipline in lifestyle. People do pooja for siva do so along with Vishnu. Including aadisaiva. Apart from vadantik dispute, which has no relevance to way of worshipping, since at the stage of Acharys bahir pooja is the criteria which is more for prakruta janaas. Sankara is sri Narayanasmruti so also other Acharys. The problem creptin after the Acharya purusha because of lack of understanding of what the Acharya purushas preached. There is no Vaishnava samskara or smarta.. both are one and the same. The sampradaya bheda is a later dispute. If you attend any yaga(yagnya vishnu) there no Vaishnava or smarta.. Properly observed smarta dharma itself Vaishnava....🙏🙏🙏🙏 People
"Apart from vadantik dispute" - it is important because Sri Vaishnava consider Nirguna and Saguna both aspects of Saguna Brahman. this is why Temple Agama is especially important to Sri Vaishnava and why they will fight. That is why Alvars and Sangam literature refer to VIshnu as Maayan or Maayavan - he is the embodiment of Maya or Saguna Aspect. Add even further confusion to the mix are Vaikhanasas whose Agama is used alongside Pancharatra Agama (with ramanuja / smartha edits). the nuances are important when Saguna Aspect is valuable to you. because to Sri Vaishnava the nuances are the truth. Or they are not.
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Sir. Even during my Upanayanam some 17 years back, our Vadakalai purohits brought one Thenkalai purohit too along with them to help them in the various rituals. That Tenkalai Purohit chanted the Sanskrit Vedas very beautifully. I was just reminded about this incident as you spoke. Thank You Sir.
Sir... Fantastic explaination. I belong to Vadakalai samprathayam. Many Vadakalai purohits are experts in 4000 Divya Prabhanthams. I have personally seen it. I recently took Samashreyanam and Bharanyasam from my Acharyan, Srimad Azhagiyasingar of Sri Ahobila Mutt. I found many purohits chanting 4000 Divya Prabhanthams so beautifully. Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha. Jai SrimanNarayana.
@ParankusaRamanujanSir. Sri Ahobila Mutt is a Vadakalai Mutt only. They follow the teachings of Sri Vedanta Desika. The Kalaksheba parampara and Samashreya parampara of the mutt also confirms this. Further, I have read from the mutt portal that Sri Manavala Maamunigal took Sanyasa from the 1st jeeyar of Sri Ahobila Mutt, Sri Adhivan Sadagopa Yatheenthra Mahadesikan. In Sri Vaishnava Sampradayam only a saint can initiate another person into sainthood. Back in the 14th century, the words Vadakalai and Tenkalai never existed. People who followed through the spiritual lineage of Pillai Lokacharya came to be known as Tenkalai's and those who followed the spiritual lineage of Sri Vedanta Desika came to be known as Vadakalai's. Infact despite having many doctrinal differences, they stood together in worshipping the Lord Vishnu. Thank You Sir. Jai SrimanNarayana.
அவரவர் தமதமது அறிவு அறி வகைவகை
அவரவர் இறையவர் என அடி அடைவர்கள்
அவரவர் இறையவர் குறைவு இலர் இறையவர்
அவரவர் விதிவழி அடைய நின்றனரே
-நம்மாழ்வார்
nice explanation. Thanks
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ஓம் ஸ்ரீ ஹரி நாராயணாய நமஹா சர்வம் ஜெகமே கிருஷ்ணர்பணம் 🌷🙏🌷🦚🦚🦚🦚
Nice awareness u gave
Wonderful explanation. Eye opening to many for sure🙏
Nicely explained !!we saw kanchi.
அவர்வர் இறைவர் குறைவிலர்
Excellent presentation
ஓம் நமோ நாராயணா போற்றி🙏
Rightly put excellant
Super explained swami 🙏❤️
அருமை
Clear vision balaji. இந்த நிலைப்பாடு இருந்துகொண்டுதான் இருக்கும்.
இறை பாத சங்கல்பமே இறுதியானது
Thank you so much for briefing. I never knew what is the difference. Ultimately we all know one God. Sriman Narayana 🙏🙏 and believe in him.
இந்த.மாதிரி.நாகரிக.காலத்திலும்.சாதி.சண்டை.போட்டதால்.தான்.வெள்ளைக்காரகிறிஸ்துவன்.நம்.நாட்டை.பிடித்தான்.
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பிராமணன் பேசுவது
புரியாது என்று பலபேர்
கடந்து போய்விடுகிறார்கள்.
அதனால் வழக்கு தமிழில்
ஆரம்ப பள்ளி தமிழில்
சொன்னால் பலபேர்
கேட்க தொடங்குவர்.
I 100% accept all of your opinions. The next thing for the government is to start a vedic school where person from any caste will be able to learn Vedas and Agamas and be Archagas in all the temples including Agama temples. The reason for this being all the 95% of Thenkallai and Vadagalai Iyengars are now not following the Sampradaya and many of embrased western cultures. As Krishna states in Bhagavad Gita, we have to change according to the times without compromising on Dharmic principles and hence we have to be inclusive and not exclusive.
Excellent 🙏🏾
Thank u
ஓம் நமோ நாரயணாய ஶ்ரீ லக்ஷ்மி நாராயண ஸ்வமினே நாம:
Very good explanation. Actually God didn't make caste and religion. God created all living things but only human beings are fighting like flesh eating animals.
Religion = Rituals
Religion has no connections with God
Ancient Tamil Vishnu cult I follow serve as possible.
Nice explanation , Gopala tapani upanishat explains about tiruman(urdwhapundra) . Can i know how did they originate? The tenkalai and vadakalai urdwhapundra(s)? Because as far as i have studies many books , they proclaim that after the period of shri ramanuja the division appeared. Some even say it can be traced back to shri yamunacharaya himself. In this case what kind of urdwhapundra was shri ramanuja wearing? Which sect(tenkalai or vadakalai) appeared first? Some even say from shri ramanuja tenkalai was evolved
As time passes more such urdwhapundras might become normal. ISKON'S urdwpundra is roughly 200 yrs old , Goplaa tapani upanishat says the rules and glories of urdwhapundra.
All these differences came after 13 ad during Nayak rule
Respected sir,
Your illustration method and information is great,but pls give some clarity in voice because seem to be blurred in main concept areas
Okie will look in to it
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Peumalidam pakthiye pirathanam.ithil petham tevaiillai🙏🙏🙏
Namaskaram Swami..
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Swamy i have some questions to clarify..if you can post an email id..i will email them..dhanyosmi..
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Swami you can mail me via reachme001@protonmail.com. Dhanyosmi.
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i wonder if they read or understood srimad Bhagavad Gita properly bcoz Gita is only veda i ever know and it's very easy to understand lord and go to our permanent home called vaikuntha ❤️👏Infact lord says in gita am the Veda and i knower of the Vedas...So y they are in this much of discrimination among them 🙄#bhagavan shri krishna paramatma ki jai ❤️srimad Bhagavad Gita ki jai
Om namo venkateshwar namaha
ஜெய் ஸ்ரீராம்...
I found out solution to this problem
This is not the fight on Sidhantha but now it has turned as might is right. In Kancheepuram temple the temple administration i.e. both the Executive Trustee and the Maniakar (who hails from a vadakalai family and also blood related to the Vadakalai Thathacharis are the prime responsible for the problems at Kancheepuram Sri Varadaraja Perumal temple. In that temple there are some mirasi rights conferred by the court based on the evidences, customs and usage. Accordingly, the only right the Thenkalai Commumity has is the right of Adhyapaka Mirasi. There was no issues for over a century. On 01.02.2018 a group of Vadakalais who have nothing to say in the temple coming with a big mass came to the temple and started their attrocity in the temple with the whole hearted and physical cooperation of the then Executive Trustee and the Maniakar. They allowed it willfully for what consideration only they know. One of the Govt. Pleader represented HR&CE by name Mr. Maharaja sent a letter to the Coissioner that the Hon'ble High Court of Madras *orally* ordered for the recitstion of the banned tamil verses said to be authered by Swamy Vedanta Desikan. In the earlier judgments right from 1882 till the date of the alledged oral order of the Hon'ble Madras High Court there has been a clearcut ruling that the tamil verses of Shri Vedsnta Desikan should not be recited at Shri Varadaraja Perumal Temple at any time. With the letter of the Govt. Pleader dated 20.09.2018 he informed the Commissioner that the Court had allowed the recitation of the Tamil verses of Shri Vedanta Desikan by the Thenkalai people. When the Thenkalsis are not enquired at the court, when they are not the party in the Writ Petition filed by an unconnected person of the temple, the Thenkalsis refused for the recitation. One N Tyagarajan who was the E.T. of the temple at that time delibrately and wantenly evicted the Thenkslais on that 750th birthday celebration of Shri Vedanta Desikan with the help of the huge police force and did the violation of the court orders and the custom and usage of the temple allowed the vadakalsis to recite the banned one. A contrmpt petiyion was filed by Thenkalsis and the Court in its judgment travelled beyond the jutisdiction of the contempt and made a way which are all against the same court and even larger benches. That order was set aside by the Division Bench of Madras High Court after ten months. Even after that order the vadakalais are showing their muzzle and money power in preventing the Thenkalais to exercise their mirasi rights.
There will be no problem if people limit themselves within their limit and strictly follow the court orders. It is the inheritted habit of the Kancheepuram vadakalsis and those vadakalais supporting them to sincerely violate the court orders and do attrociyies. When the thenkalais fight for their rights it will be in the eyes of the general public that it is the fight of vadakalai and thenkalais and they do not know that the culprits are vadakslais only. These vadakalais do not claim or disturb the services of Thathacharies but trying to eliminate the thenkalais from exerciding their adhyapaka mirasi rights as their main agenda may be to eliminate the Thenkslais from the temple itself. Some advocates are talking about duel services in Adhyapakam seviices only and they do not say anything regarding duel services in the mirasi of the Vadakalai Thathacharis. In a recent interview the Secretary of the Thathachari Sabha made it very clear that neither the nonthathachari vadakalais nor the thenkalais can interfere in the services of Thathacharis. So it is not the thenkalais who are creating problems but it is by the vadakalai people only.
உங்க சண்டையெல்லாம் கோயிலுக்கு வெளியில் செய்க, வேலை செய்யும் இடத்தில் என்ன சண்டை வேண்டியுள்ளது.
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தாயாரை பகவானிடமிருந்து வேறுபடுத்துவது யார்?
Indha maadhiri evargal sandai poduvadhaal dravidar kazaga naaigal vandhu poojai seidhu koil a azikkum
சண்டைபோடுபவர்கள்
கிஷ்கிந்தை வாசிகளோ
பார்பவனும் பூஜைசெயபோகிறவனும்
நாய்களென்றால்
சிவன்கோயிலில்
நாயோடு பைரவர்
இருக்கிறாரே
நாங்கள் வாசற்படிவந்தாயிற்று
Uttardi vaishnavites are still tenkalai where is vadakalais?
Aditen umma mobil nom tarungal
Taligai swami vishyamaga pesanum adiyen ramanuja dasan
அருமை ஐயா!
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நஞ்சீயர் என்பவர் துவைத சித்தாந்தத்தை தோற்றுவித்த மத்வாச்சாரியாரை குறிப்பிடுகிறார்களா? அல்லது வேற நபரா? ஏனெனில் இவர் காலமும் 12 ஆம் நூற்றாண்டு ... (பிழையிருந்தால் மன்னிக்கவும்)
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Satadh srivaishnava brahmi na Anna soluko
Smathargal uruva vazlibadu seiyadavargal. Kovilgalil nalla sogusa vazlalam enbadal vadagalaiku marivittargal.
ஈரங்கொல்லி கண்டெடுத்த
நம்பெருமாள் என்னும்
ஶ்ரீரங்கநாதர் வடகலையா
தென்கலையா
1953ல் சன்நிதி தீபற்றி
எரிந்தபோது லஷ்மிநாராயணன்
என்ற போலிஸ் அதிகாரி
உள்ளே இருந்த ரங்கநாதரின்
நெற்றியைபார்த்து
வடகலையுமில்லை
தென்கலையுமில்லை
ஒருகோடுதான் இருந்தது
என.தன்புத்தகத்தில்
எழுதியுள்ளார்
பெருமாளை ஏளபண்ணிவரும்போது
கோஷ்டியில் பிரபந்தம்தான்
பாடப்பட்டுவருகிறது
அதுவும் கைகட்டாமல்
சந்திசொல்லவேண்டும்
என்பதுசம்பிரதாயமாம்
பின்னால்தான் வேதம்
சொல்லப்படுகிறது
ஒருவர்கையை ஒருவர்பிடித்து
சொல்லிவரவேண்டுமாம்
காரணம் பெருமாள்
ஓடிவிடாமல் இருக்க
இதைபரமாச்சியார்தவறாக
சொல்லியிருக்கிறார்
அதைவிடுவோம்
முதலில் மொழிப்போர்
துவங்கியவர்களே
ஆழ்வார்கள்தான்
என்பது அடியேனுடைய
அபிப்பிராயம்
வேதம் தமிழ் செய்த
சடகோப்பன்
நாலாயிரம் திராவிடவேதம்
என்பனபோன்றவை
என்கருத்துக்குவலிவூட்டுகின்றன
இதெல்லாம் நீங்கவேண்டுமென்றால்
ஆகமம்படித்த பிறசாதியினரை
அர்சகராக்கிவிடலாமே அந்த
279பேரை
ஆனால் வெங்கடேசபெருமாள்
தன்நாமத்தை நான் கமிட்டடாக
போட்டுக்கொண்டிருக்கிறார்
வைணவர்கள்.இட்டு இடு
கொள்ளுதல் என்றவார்த்தையை
மறந்துவிட்டார்கள்
அது ஆண்டாளோடு
போச்சோ
பெரியார் வழிவந்தநானெல்லாம்
உங்களுக்கு வழிகாட்டவேண்டியதாய்
இருக்கிறது
இன்னமும் நீங்களே
கடவுள் விஷயத்தில்
ஆழங்கால் படவில்லை
Vedakalai or Thenkalai smapradahyam is useless unless you have good behaviour. I see 90% of todayThenkalai or Vadakalai sect who do not have empathy, compassion and are very greedy and still considered them as Sri Vaishavas. They are called caste Vadakalai or castThenkalai sect and must not be called them as Sri Vaishnavas.
Correct they are Iyengar’s and that’s why and that is ehy
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Vaishnavathvame poyachi
These are all curse on the total community.
Smartanushtanam is common for all dwijas.
Vishnu bhakti cult is Vaishnavism
In that caste does not come in picture
but for vaidik procedure.
so also Saiva..
even the aadi Saiva also smarta in anushtana but have additional samaya deeksha, which is for all.
So, be it Saiva or Vaishnava it is for all
but vaidik practice by birth since it starts
right from the age of three(choulam)
It is connected to way of life food and other practices it's followed heridity with strict discipline in lifestyle.
People do pooja for siva do so along with Vishnu. Including aadisaiva.
Apart from vadantik dispute, which has no relevance to way of worshipping, since at the stage of Acharys bahir pooja
is the criteria which is more for prakruta janaas.
Sankara is sri Narayanasmruti so also other Acharys.
The problem creptin after the Acharya purusha because of lack of understanding of what the Acharya purushas preached.
There is no Vaishnava samskara or smarta.. both are one and the same.
The sampradaya bheda is a later dispute.
If you attend any yaga(yagnya vishnu)
there no Vaishnava or smarta..
Properly observed smarta dharma itself Vaishnava....🙏🙏🙏🙏
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"Apart from vadantik dispute" - it is important because Sri Vaishnava consider Nirguna and Saguna both aspects of Saguna Brahman. this is why Temple Agama is especially important to Sri Vaishnava and why they will fight. That is why Alvars and Sangam literature refer to VIshnu as Maayan or Maayavan - he is the embodiment of Maya or Saguna Aspect.
Add even further confusion to the mix are Vaikhanasas whose Agama is used alongside Pancharatra Agama (with ramanuja / smartha edits).
the nuances are important when Saguna Aspect is valuable to you. because to Sri Vaishnava the nuances are the truth.
Or they are not.
Sri Vaishnava tenkalai ubhaya Vedanta maths darsna than vadakalai enbuthu naveena kalpitham
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