You & Martyn from drum technique academy have absolutely the best & extremely similar ways to help anyone master the ankle technique. It has worked for me exponentially. Thank you
I've been playing over 20 years and only in the past 4 or 5 have been trying to increase my speed. Control has gotten a lot better, but I'd like to be able to play some fast stuff here and there. These are great tips because it really is how you think about it before you execute. Thanks dude.
These are terrific tips! One aspect I would like to ask about is the rebound of the surface (drum head or practise pad). At one extreme - we can remove the surface to achieve zero-rebound - it will all be the pedal spring. The other extreme is to put a very bouncy surface: you can practise without springs. What should it be in a reasonable practise setup?
Hello from Australia Cameron. I've been watching your channel for about 4-5 months as I was looking to get back into drums after playing in a punk and thrash band for 6 years. I put the drum sticks down in 2006-2007 until 6 weeks ago when I purchased a new tama superstar custom. I have sort of almost picked up where I left off after not playing a beat for 17-18 years but for some reason my right foot is now the one I need to badly work on as I can't get above 150bpm. (I'm naturally right handed) but now my left foot is a powerhouse smashing out 200bpm and I'm slowed down by my right foot. I only played single pedal previously but now just got a tama speed cobra after playing the stock iron cobra 200 that came with my superstar custom. I try to replicate with my right foot what my left is doing and when I focus to much I go into playing flags or double strokes simultaneously. I am not after insane speeds like 250-300bpm but want to get the same bpm with my right the same as my left. Is it just a time and patience thing or is there any tricks or excercises I can do to bridge the gap between the two?. Cheers mate 👍
Here i am in Italy in ur situation! Same past, same break down, same present😂only different double pedal!Welcome to the club mate! Waitin’ for cameron reply💪🏻
Been stuck at 170 BPM for a while. This is the best explanation of the ankle technique I've seen anywhere. Hope this gets me to break through that barrier.
Wow, never thought that the ankle technique was easier at 170bpm, so i struggled with my 140bpm calves for nothing!😆 gonna work on speed on the floor i guess thanks for that tut
Thank you so much for your lesson. I have been watching so many dbl kick lessons the past 2 yrs and yours was the best - mostly because you explained the kinesthetics of the techniques. Thanks again, Chris in SFBay Area
Incredible advice and skills I will apply and use right now. I’ve deleted my other saved d bass vids and am sticking to your techniques man. Thanks much I appreciate you !!!
Thanks for this video, lots of good tips. I started playing a few months ago and agree that gear can hold you back. I got DW 3000 pedals and the driveshaft doesn't extend far enough for the natural resting position of my feet. Replaced it with a Trick shaft that can extend further, plus it has bearings that seem to eliminate slave pedal lag. It made a world of difference.
This is pure gold... The calf lifting is something loads of teachers don't mention and you end up just lifting the leg and pressing the pedal with the ankle with massive holes of bpm like me for years... I was able to play fine up to 140 and then struggle after up to 200 where after i was fine with just ankles.. (speed without control) Finally after years of frustration I'm sorting this out thanks to Martyn's videos and now this confirmed everything too...❤
really struggling with this single caveman to fast ankle singles thing. going up the gears is difficult. i know for a fact long boards will help massively in the learning curve. but i can't warrant the expense (yet). pretty sure ill work it out on my cheep standard shortboards. but its taking so long! honestly been on it for a year now, really dose feel like I'm being let down by that piece of hardware the most, unless i'm right at the tipping point to where its about to become fluid and on demand. feels like ive been there for like i said, a year literaly. i still slip into unisons. and find it super hard to stay even and on tempo. and starting lol from a dead stop. like i can do slow and fast doubles, and slow and fast "caveman(singles)" but i cant do slow or fast ankles technique for SHIT. lol. if i can do then then ill link the two gears together and get that unstoppable sound you talk about. just cant do it. so im blaming my shitty gear lol. i can even slow my doubles down to sound like how you were playing your fast ankles singles. because i just cant play it like that with my ankles. its so frustrating
Just great! This is what i was looking for! Don’t need to do 280 bmp, just unlock this nasty 128 to 160!!!! Did u have some advice on pedal setting for this bpm range? I came from 30 years of fast d-beat hc punk with single pedal, very low spring, hight board and low degree beater😢 and i just can’t find a deal whit my direct drive..The aim of actual project is to play from 40 to 160 bpm😅 some advice?thx
Thank you for the tips Cameron! Currently stuck at 150bpm (not consistent). Would it make sense to go straight to 160-165 bpm as you advised for ankle technique?
Nice bro 👍 I worked this stuff out myself trial and error, would have loved this 30 years ago 😂 Great advice for young blokes. Paradiddles are king. Also, seat height? What's your take?
My left foot gets off the footboard often, and the left beater swings out of control... while the right foot is glued to the pedal and somewhat rigid.... how may i solve this?
It sounds like you’re experiencing some common pedal issues! Try adjusting the height and angle of your footboard for better control, and practice keeping your left foot more relaxed during play.
@@CameronFleury nothing i guess. all i`m saying is i tried this technique before and it doesn`t really work, at least not with me. i just can`t get that speed with the feet so low on the pedals. i`m more like Eloy Casagrande type of player but then that technique tires me quickly.
Is a direct drive pedal cheating!? I use an old school chain drive but I would like to see how you play with a basic pedal, with a chain! For us poor people who can't afford them, thanks
@@CameronFleury correct cuz sometimes u might want the second beater to sound the same loudness as the main beater, but to get that good galloping sound is when you make the weaker foot louder.
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You & Martyn from
drum technique academy
have absolutely the best & extremely similar ways to help anyone master the ankle technique.
It has worked for me exponentially.
Thank you
Appreciate your support! 🤘
I've been playing over 20 years and only in the past 4 or 5 have been trying to increase my speed. Control has gotten a lot better, but I'd like to be able to play some fast stuff here and there. These are great tips because it really is how you think about it before you execute. Thanks dude.
This is definitely the best double pedal lesson ive ever seen. Thank you so much, this is super valuable
Looks like we're setting the bar high for double pedal lessons now!
These are terrific tips! One aspect I would like to ask about is the rebound of the surface (drum head or practise pad). At one extreme - we can remove the surface to achieve zero-rebound - it will all be the pedal spring. The other extreme is to put a very bouncy surface: you can practise without springs. What should it be in a reasonable practise setup?
Great question! Definitely a topic of discussion I'll add to the list! Thanks so much for watching.
Hello from Australia Cameron. I've been watching your channel for about 4-5 months as I was looking to get back into drums after playing in a punk and thrash band for 6 years. I put the drum sticks down in 2006-2007 until 6 weeks ago when I purchased a new tama superstar custom. I have sort of almost picked up where I left off after not playing a beat for 17-18 years but for some reason my right foot is now the one I need to badly work on as I can't get above 150bpm. (I'm naturally right handed) but now my left foot is a powerhouse smashing out 200bpm and I'm slowed down by my right foot. I only played single pedal previously but now just got a tama speed cobra after playing the stock iron cobra 200 that came with my superstar custom. I try to replicate with my right foot what my left is doing and when I focus to much I go into playing flags or double strokes simultaneously. I am not after insane speeds like 250-300bpm but want to get the same bpm with my right the same as my left. Is it just a time and patience thing or is there any tricks or excercises I can do to bridge the gap between the two?. Cheers mate 👍
Here i am in Italy in ur situation! Same past, same break down, same present😂only different double pedal!Welcome to the club mate! Waitin’ for cameron reply💪🏻
Been stuck at 170 BPM for a while. This is the best explanation of the ankle technique I've seen anywhere. Hope this gets me to break through that barrier.
Awesome to hear you found the explanation helpful! Keep at it, you're so close to breaking through!
I've been looking to get into playing double bass pedals and this is an excellent introduction from one instructor to another!
Awesome! Double bass pedals are such a blast to play. Hope you have as much fun with them as I do!
to hit simultaneously was the best advice I've ever heard! Immediately gave me some result. Thanks a lot man
Amazing! Happy to help :)
I've never had a drum teacher that was able to teach me double kicks. This was so helpful!
Happy to help! \M/
Balance is everything. And get yourself a wide throne, so overlooked.
indeed.
Absolutely! Finding balance is crucial in all aspects of life. A wide throne definitely helps you enjoy it more comfortably!
Wow, never thought that the ankle technique was easier at 170bpm, so i struggled with my 140bpm calves for nothing!😆 gonna work on speed on the floor i guess thanks for that tut
Happy to help!
Thank you so much for your lesson. I have been watching so many dbl kick lessons the past 2 yrs and yours was the best - mostly because you explained the kinesthetics of the techniques. Thanks again, Chris in SFBay Area
Glad to help!
Very nice indeed! Thanks mate!🥁🥁🥁
Thank you for the kind words, mate!
Incredible advice and skills I will apply and use right now. I’ve deleted my other saved d bass vids and am sticking to your techniques man. Thanks much I appreciate you !!!
Thank you so much for your kind words! It means a lot to know that my techniques are making an impact. I can't wait to see how you progress!
I needed this channel in my life.... Thanks for taking the time dude
You're welcome! I'm like the virtual friend you never knew you needed!
Thanks for this video, lots of good tips. I started playing a few months ago and agree that gear can hold you back. I got DW 3000 pedals and the driveshaft doesn't extend far enough for the natural resting position of my feet. Replaced it with a Trick shaft that can extend further, plus it has bearings that seem to eliminate slave pedal lag. It made a world of difference.
love your videos!! super helpful!!
Thanks so much for watching!
This is pure gold... The calf lifting is something loads of teachers don't mention and you end up just lifting the leg and pressing the pedal with the ankle with massive holes of bpm like me for years... I was able to play fine up to 140 and then struggle after up to 200 where after i was fine with just ankles.. (speed without control) Finally after years of frustration I'm sorting this out thanks to Martyn's videos and now this confirmed everything too...❤
Awesome to hear that you're finally getting the hang of it! Those calf muscles are gonna be working overtime now. Keep pushing yourself, you got this!
I've been playing since 1978 and used these techniques in the mid 80s great video!
Awesome to hear you've been playing since '78! Thanks for checking out the video!
Great info!
Lots to work on.
Thank you.
Great info, lots to work on? Sounds like a recipe for success! Just don’t forget to add a pinch of fun!
Good video dude! I use ankle technique already but these tips are always useful at anytime of the day!
Hey, thanks for checking out the video! Glad you're already ahead of the game with the ankle technique.
Love that tone!!! Very clicky and death metal sounding!
really struggling with this single caveman to fast ankle singles thing. going up the gears is difficult. i know for a fact long boards will help massively in the learning curve. but i can't warrant the expense (yet). pretty sure ill work it out on my cheep standard shortboards. but its taking so long! honestly been on it for a year now, really dose feel like I'm being let down by that piece of hardware the most, unless i'm right at the tipping point to where its about to become fluid and on demand. feels like ive been there for like i said, a year literaly. i still slip into unisons. and find it super hard to stay even and on tempo. and starting lol from a dead stop. like i can do slow and fast doubles, and slow and fast "caveman(singles)" but i cant do slow or fast ankles technique for SHIT. lol. if i can do then then ill link the two gears together and get that unstoppable sound you talk about. just cant do it. so im blaming my shitty gear lol. i can even slow my doubles down to sound like how you were playing your fast ankles singles. because i just cant play it like that with my ankles. its so frustrating
Great stuff dude 🤘
Thanks a ton!
Very useful. Thank you!
Happy to be of service! Let me know if you have any other burning questions.
Boss question? Does changing the height of the beater matter?
Try different heights and take notice of what those changes feel like.
Just great! This is what i was looking for! Don’t need to do 280 bmp, just unlock this nasty 128 to 160!!!! Did u have some advice on pedal setting for this bpm range? I came from 30 years of fast d-beat hc punk with single pedal, very low spring, hight board and low degree beater😢 and i just can’t find a deal whit my direct drive..The aim of actual project is to play from 40 to 160 bpm😅 some advice?thx
Amazing 👏
Thank you so much for your kind words!
What about the spring tension? It is very rare for people to even mention about it.
I've got a few videos on this channel about that already. Could do an updated video.
Thank you for the tips Cameron! Currently stuck at 150bpm (not consistent). Would it make sense to go straight to 160-165 bpm as you advised for ankle technique?
It would make the most sense to be able to accurately play at 150-165 before moving forward.
Nice bro 👍 I worked this stuff out myself trial and error, would have loved this 30 years ago 😂 Great advice for young blokes. Paradiddles are king. Also, seat height? What's your take?
In fact, I've got a video on the channel about that!
In fact, I've got a video on this channel that'll answer your seat height questions.
@@CameronFleury Sick, will check🎉
What is your take on Chris Turners odd double bass style?
Its crazy the speed he has on his toes like that, and sitting 10 foot high on the throne😂
Totally! That guy is like a double bass ninja or something, just flying around up there! It's wild!
My left foot gets off the footboard often, and the left beater swings out of control... while the right foot is glued to the pedal and somewhat rigid.... how may i solve this?
It sounds like you’re experiencing some common pedal issues! Try adjusting the height and angle of your footboard for better control, and practice keeping your left foot more relaxed during play.
Great explanation, the physics are there and you can adjust accordingly.
I’m glad you found the explanation helpful! Understanding the physics really makes a difference in adjusting our approach.
It should be called “Calf technique” imo.
You're onto something! 🙌
Excellent lesson my great friend!!! 🤟👍🎼🥁🎼👍🤟.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching 🤘🤙
so 140-160bpm you would exclusively be using quads?
Yes but most people play chain pedals and they don`t react like direct drives therefore some of these tips don`t necessarily apply.
Gotcha, so what exactly is happening with your double bass drumming? (Pedals aside)
@@CameronFleury nothing i guess. all i`m saying is i tried this technique before and it doesn`t really work, at least not with me. i just can`t get that speed with the feet so low on the pedals. i`m more like Eloy Casagrande type of player but then that technique tires me quickly.
If there's a will there's a way! You just need someone to have a look at what's going on. Find me on IG and DM me the word "private".
Do you have both chain and direct drive pedals to confirm this for yourself?
@@Scolecite I do 😀
Do whatever feels best for YOU. I measured 600+ bpm not even on my set or hardware.
Wow, 600+ bpm? At that rate, you might just be the human equivalent of a turbocharged espresso!
Is a direct drive pedal cheating!? I use an old school chain drive but I would like to see how you play with a basic pedal, with a chain! For us poor people who can't afford them, thanks
Sure! Head over to my Instagram page there's a reel on there of just that. In fact, I played / toured with Iron Cobras for over a decade!
So the whole idea is contracting and relaxing the calf muscle???
No. Because you're also using your shins.
No triggers teaches you to kick the kick drum AND make it sound good... Or just studio edit it and keep pretending your twiddle toes are brutal.
I agree! Slapping triggers on will amplify the mistakes!
@@CameronFleury boooom 😂
**TRIGGER'S**?
Thanks for watching the video!
Trigger warning.
170 mid?
170 is max rn 😅
the main thing with doublebass is you want your weakest foot to play the loudest
Yes and no! Ultimately we want to have control. :)
@@CameronFleury correct cuz sometimes u might want the second beater to sound the same loudness as the main beater, but to get that good galloping sound is when you make the weaker foot louder.
@@latentsea u can have galloping in 16th notes dude
@@doublebass1985Sure can! 😊
Your legs are chuggin' I'm kinda weirded out haha.
My legs are simply not moving