The cast aluminum flywheel has the full size cooling fins too. It’s a steal for what you get. Thanks so much for doing all of these mods and videos. You are the best small block engine modder and tester on TH-cam.
Great video. All in the name of R&D Research and Development. Sometimes you have a break thru, sometimes it stays the same.It’s all good. Thanks for sharing with us. Ride fast. Ride safe..
Another AWESOME video, It is good to see that you hand lap the flywheel on, when done right, you don't even need a keyway, set it with a degree wheel, Torque it down, and you are good to go. keep the vids coming
Those Tillotson cast aluminum flywheels are a great bang for your buck for the quality. Plus someone has spun one up to 10k for a long time privately. The downside is they come with only 18 degrees of advance. Granted even though most cams call for 32 34 a 12* keyway will get you to 30.
Im wanting to buy this for a stock 224 with just a stage 1 kit , 24mm Nibbi carb running 115 jet , but I’m not sure what timing key to get 8? , 10 ? ,12 ?
Hey man, love your videos so much quick question I’m trying to carburet my carburetor basically the same one on your engine and the same engine but I can’t seem to carburet it
I just want to say that I absolutely enjoy your channel and your builds and camera work and comparing engine builds and upgrades. I watched your last episodes about the ghost engine and the valve springs and fly wheel. My question is would you use 18lb spring or 22lbs without doing internal upgrades inside the engines cause I’m still learning that. Cause doing mods outside the engine I can do .
hey black thank you for you're videos they help me a lot with trying to fine tune I was wondering if you knew if that flywheel would fit on a 212 predator
Thank you. It has a clone taper. Some say it wont ,but the seller says they will. I have used them many times on a Predator 212 . I just make sure I lap in the flywheel with valve grinding compound.
Great video! I would like to get a flywheel ring gear with magnets charging coil for the Coleman BT200X but cannot find one for the Predator 224cc engine. I have not found a cast aluminum flywheel with charging coils, any information on this if a predator 212e flywheel will fit?
Hey man cut about 3 coils out of your clutch spring (max torque style clutches) and raise your stall speed ; ) youll be glad u did. note: u may have to grind away about 1/16" off the side edges of your clutch shoes (where they contact each other, not the bell) ... this shrinks the circle down a little so u can fight the spring back in lol .. also has the effect of raising stall speed too, this is 1 reason u wont cut many loops from the spring. Your engine will rev and your clutch will bite like a mean dog! lol
Hey I watch all your videos. I have a new header pipe I put on it backfires real bad when I let off the throttle. Will you make a video on how to fix backfire on mini bike?
That sure is a nicely modified 224. It seems like upgrading the stock flywheels on most of the predators and other clones is a must do for anyone who is going to be removing the governor and plans on running at RPM's. Do you run tachometers on your engines? Your videos are great and really show the viewer what works but I haven't seen any significant problems in any of them yet. Have you experienced any major malfunctions with any of your engines....flywheel throwing magnets, spun bearings, catastrophic engine failures? I would be really interested to hear about those and I think it could be very useful and entertaining for your subscribers. Maybe you could start uploading a compilation video of "mod's gone wrong", defective products, and bloopers once or twice a year, or however long it takes to document enough mishaps to create a video. I think they would get a lot of views and increase the number of subscribers you have. Just a thought...
Thanks. I have had minor mishaps while out filming this stuff. Breaking cameras, someone ran over a camera, Not being able to stop in time at the end of the road, carbs falling off. I have a video on that one. The only major engine failure I have had so far is a valve stem breaking While I was filming a video. I Have a video coming out fixing the engine. I have been so lucky with these engines so far. I know sooner or later one is really going to come apart. It's just a matter of time. I hope I get it on video. Thanks for the suggestions. I think it would be fun putting that stuff together.
Hey I wish all is goes well for this new year and question I just did the same upgrade to a 212 but I put the same key back in and it’s not turning over and having major kick back… what did I do wrong and what should I do
Mines on the way. Is it cool if I just put the flywheel on with out the lapping stuff. I forgot to order it in time and really really wanna just put it on when it gets here
Hey i added an aluminum flywheel like the one youre using here & the key that came with is too big for my 196cc so i used my stock key. Do u see any issue with this? Really looking fwd to what u think thanx!
I bought the same flywheel and gapped it at .03. For some reason my bike wont stay running longer than a few seconds. It starts and runs fine then just dies shortly after. Im wondering if my charging magnets inside (which i dont need because im not running a light) is causing this issue
I did a hydraulic brake install on the CC100x and a couple other bikes. Here is the link for the CC1100x playlist. Thanks for watching! th-cam.com/video/tJeup9bo-wo/w-d-xo.html
I installed the billet but didnt hold the crank down now ots hard to turn and when i put everything back on and pull the start it pulls the back tire and my crank
Great videos. I have a rt200 its bn hard to decide what to put on the bike. What do you think about viking 223cc hemi head 7 hp electric start engine.? Or what would you recommend me. Thanks again for the videos.
Thanks! Yes, I really like that Viking 223 or even a Predator 224 because it has that 58MM stroke! That will make a big difference on the bigger bikes for pulling torque.
The 2 flywheels may have different timing. My stock clone flywheels and PVL flywheel are timed to 28 BTDC. The genuine GX200 cast aluminum flywheel I had was timed at 22 BTDC. The flywheel you have there looks like a copy of the GX200 aluminum. Is it timed the same? Put an ARC flywheel on there and get the timing the same as the 212e flywheel then test it.
That small of a difference could be explained by temp/air density changes while you were making the swap. It would be interesting to see you retest with more timing advance.
Its made from an old clutch. You pretty much just use the internal part of the clutch that slips over the shaft and drill holes in it so you can run bolts into the side cover. You can buy them from OMB and I think GoPowerSports.
can somone help me i removed the governer and a added a flywheel and a carburetor and my mini bike compression is higher than before is that normal and is it safe to ride
Where did you get the tillotson 212 ee flywheel? I have been looking for one of these for my 196cc coleman. I was told they handle more rpm than the stock coleman and can still retain the lights
Watched this one hoping you’d mention torque spec on the flywheel. Can only find 54 ft lbs for the steel, and 65 ft lbs for the billet, but nothing on these..
OK..excessive commenting alert but I keep seeing things I gotta sk questions about. At the 5:00 mark I see you're running an "average" looking clutch. Would times/performance improve if you slapped on a Norms Clutch or even a Juggernaut or Rev-Zilla clutch? To compliment the 8000+ RPM Flywheel? Or would that over power the springs and cause valve float?
I like your comments! keep them coming. lol I think I would get better times if I used a different clutch but I try and use combos that are more common. At least some of the time. Its kinda fun to see what inexpensive combos will do
I usually start out with a 120 main or so in a VM22. Jetting is different depending on mods and elevation etc. Look at the plug after riding for w while. If it's got that light tan/grey color it's running good.
I had a fire a few years back lost five of my near and dear Volkswagens and everything in my shop Neighbors playing with illegal fireworks😔 I had a brand new Predator 212 in the Box the block is still good I think it'd be fun if I gave it to you if you put some performance parts on it and see how much the stock flywheel can take till it blows up😂 not with you on a mini bike of course!!!
I have a stock 196cc Coleman bike with a header exhaust from go power sports I was wondering if I upgraded the carb to the vm22 will it make a difference or slow it down
They say it works on the non hemi but I would not use it on any of the Predator 212's. This flywheel is for an engine with a clone taper. No Generation of the Predator 212's have a crankshaft with a clone taper. Ghost 212 has a clone taper.
I'm sure your sick of these questions but I was wondering if I have a ten tooth clutch what rear sprocket count do you recommend for top end Speed @black66
If there was a flywheel that had the weight of a stock flywheel and the safety of billet that would be awesome. Maintain the torque bur still be able to hit the high rpms!
Except that the flywheel has nothing to do with torque. If a 5 pound flywheel was better for performance than a 3 pound flywheel ARC racing would have made one years ago.
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The cast aluminum flywheel has the full size cooling fins too. It’s a steal for what you get.
Thanks so much for doing all of these mods and videos.
You are the best small block engine modder and tester on TH-cam.
Thanks!!
Does it fit gx200/clone ??
@@jokerrr14 Yes
to bad this flywheel will limit you to 6685 rpm
@@topmfg5505 why?
Dude those drive byes with the camera cracked me up everytime 🤣
Great video. All in the name of R&D
Research and Development. Sometimes you have a break thru, sometimes it stays the same.It’s all good. Thanks for sharing with us.
Ride fast. Ride safe..
I dig your videos, simple not over produce, GREAT info, just like TH-cam used to be.
Thank you!
Another AWESOME video, It is good to see that you hand lap the flywheel on, when done right, you don't even need a keyway, set it with a degree wheel, Torque it down, and you are good to go. keep the vids coming
Thank you!
Love ur vids learn lots from them thanks
Love the videos! I watch all ove them at least 10 times 👍👍👍👍
The flywheel has a timing of 18 degrees, they recommend a 12 degree timing key.
Good video, that cast flywheel seems to be a much better fit for that Predator 224. :)
Favorite style. I want to build one of these
Very good test , Black66
Those Tillotson cast aluminum flywheels are a great bang for your buck for the quality. Plus someone has spun one up to 10k for a long time privately. The downside is they come with only 18 degrees of advance. Granted even though most cams call for 32 34 a 12* keyway will get you to 30.
Im wanting to buy this for a stock 224 with just a stage 1 kit , 24mm Nibbi carb running 115 jet , but I’m not sure what timing key to get 8? , 10 ? ,12 ?
Insane I love it
Definitely doing this on my 224. So much cheaper than an ARC!
Hey man, love your videos so much quick question I’m trying to carburet my carburetor basically the same one on your engine and the same engine but I can’t seem to carburet it
Still very impressive numbers. and now the safety is there. I run the same flywheel on one of my predators.Once again thanks for all the info
does that flywheel fit on a predator 212?
@@lbnick3388 yes
@@lbnick3388 Does not fit the Predator hemi.
Do u still run that flywheel I want it just worried since it’s cheaper it’ll blow my leg off
@@Stock_SkylineI'm wondering the same thing
Another good video bro
Craving more 224 how to videos!!!
I just want to say that I absolutely enjoy your channel and your builds and camera work and comparing engine builds and upgrades. I watched your last episodes about the ghost engine and the valve springs and fly wheel. My question is would you use 18lb spring or 22lbs without doing internal upgrades inside the engines cause I’m still learning that. Cause doing mods outside the engine I can do .
Thanks!! I have a video coming out on this.
Ok awesome I can’t wait to see it ! I’m really considering your set up on my little mega moto. I appreciate you replying back!
I like your minibike stand, I'm an old. Master mechanic loves all machines minibike or hit and miss engines
hey black thank you for you're videos they help me a lot with trying to fine tune I was wondering if you knew if that flywheel would fit on a 212 predator
Thank you. It has a clone taper. Some say it wont ,but the seller says they will. I have used them many times on a Predator 212 . I just make sure I lap in the flywheel with valve grinding compound.
Great video! I would like to get a flywheel ring gear with magnets charging coil for the Coleman BT200X but cannot find one for the Predator 224cc engine. I have not found a cast aluminum flywheel with charging coils, any information on this if a predator 212e flywheel will fit?
8:00 Mark. We all know what you're thinking. "Pfft. I go faster than that on my slowest doodlebug....."
Also that cast aluminum flywheels probably the cheaper alternative for people who don't wanna spend the money on the ARC but need the Safety of it
Yes! for sure.
I heard a heavy flywheel actually helps top speed sometimes..
It even sounded stronger with the previous flywheel. I wonder what the 0-60 difference was. Too bad that app doesn't have RPM.
Hey man cut about 3 coils out of your clutch spring (max torque style clutches) and raise your stall speed ; )
youll be glad u did.
note: u may have to grind away about 1/16" off the side edges of your clutch shoes (where they contact each other, not the bell) ... this shrinks the circle down a little so u can fight the spring back in lol .. also has the effect of raising stall speed too, this is 1 reason u wont cut many loops from the spring.
Your engine will rev and your clutch will bite like a mean dog! lol
Hey I watch all your videos. I have a new header pipe I put on it backfires real bad when I let off the throttle. Will you make a video on how to fix backfire on mini bike?
That sure is a nicely modified 224. It seems like upgrading the stock flywheels on most of the predators and other clones is a must do for anyone who is going to be removing the governor and plans on running at RPM's. Do you run tachometers on your engines? Your videos are great and really show the viewer what works but I haven't seen any significant problems in any of them yet. Have you experienced any major malfunctions with any of your engines....flywheel throwing magnets, spun bearings, catastrophic engine failures? I would be really interested to hear about those and I think it could be very useful and entertaining for your subscribers. Maybe you could start uploading a compilation video of "mod's gone wrong", defective products, and bloopers once or twice a year, or however long it takes to document enough mishaps to create a video. I think they would get a lot of views and increase the number of subscribers you have. Just a thought...
Thanks. I have had minor mishaps while out filming this stuff. Breaking cameras, someone ran over a camera, Not being able to stop in time at the end of the road, carbs falling off. I have a video on that one. The only major engine failure I have had so far is a valve stem breaking While I was filming a video. I Have a video coming out fixing the engine. I have been so lucky with these engines so far. I know sooner or later one is really going to come apart. It's just a matter of time. I hope I get it on video. Thanks for the suggestions. I think it would be fun putting that stuff together.
224 definitely the best sounding predator engine
Hey I wish all is goes well for this new year and question I just did the same upgrade to a 212 but I put the same key back in and it’s not turning over and having major kick back… what did I do wrong and what should I do
Mines on the way. Is it cool if I just put the flywheel on with out the lapping stuff. I forgot to order it in time and really really wanna just put it on when it gets here
What about a gap for a 196cc Coleman ct200U ex coil cap ?
With those results I'm glad you did the test. 0+0=0
Hey i added an aluminum flywheel like the one youre using here & the key that came with is too big for my 196cc so i used my stock key. Do u see any issue with this? Really looking fwd to what u think thanx!
Believe it or not I was looking on Amazon for similar flywheels to this and they used a photo from your video to show its use 😂
Oh sweet! 😃
When you torqued the flywheel down, what lb did you use?
Let me suggest you get a cvt 30 clutch. The vevor brand comes with the good belt.
Will this flywheel fit a predator 212 non hemi?...new to all this...
Wassup, I order a banzai 265 camm and 26 lb springs, billet rod and the flywheel you have on your 224 for my 224 and I am building it rn!
I bought the same flywheel and gapped it at .03. For some reason my bike wont stay running longer than a few seconds. It starts and runs fine then just dies shortly after. Im wondering if my charging magnets inside (which i dont need because im not running a light) is causing this issue
Could you maybe do an in depth video on hydraulic brake installation? I cany quite get mine right and no videos i watch seem to offer much help
I did a hydraulic brake install on the CC100x and a couple other bikes. Here is the link for the CC1100x playlist. Thanks for watching! th-cam.com/video/tJeup9bo-wo/w-d-xo.html
What starter cup should I use for a billet flywheel with 2 holes
Is there really any good reason for those to only have 18 degrees timing?
I can't seem to figure out why Tillotson did that on those flywheels.
hay bud im putting a honda gx 160 im looking for a good connecting rod and a aluminum flywheel any suggestions where to buy thanks
Would a stock cam work with that flywheel
Curios if you take a few fins off of it ?
I’ve got a Coleman BT200U and I can’t keep the chain on it any suggestions
Timing could be a bit different between the 2 flywheels. Could be messing with your time trials.
Thanks for this I was looking for a cheaper alternative for my 224.
No problem ! Thanks for watching the videos.
what clutch was used in this vid
I installed the billet but didnt hold the crank down now ots hard to turn and when i put everything back on and pull the start it pulls the back tire and my crank
Great videos. I have a rt200 its bn hard to decide what to put on the bike. What do you think about viking 223cc hemi head 7 hp electric start engine.? Or what would you recommend me. Thanks again for the videos.
Thanks! Yes, I really like that Viking 223 or even a Predator 224 because it has that 58MM stroke! That will make a big difference on the bigger bikes for pulling torque.
The 2 flywheels may have different timing. My stock clone flywheels and PVL flywheel are timed to 28 BTDC. The genuine GX200 cast aluminum flywheel I had was timed at 22 BTDC. The flywheel you have there looks like a copy of the GX200 aluminum. Is it timed the same?
Put an ARC flywheel on there and get the timing the same as the 212e flywheel then test it.
"Put an ARC flywheel on there"
Nothing like missing the point of the video rofl.
Can you retain the charging system with that flywheel?
That small of a difference could be explained by temp/air density changes while you were making the swap. It would be interesting to see you retest with more timing advance.
I'm thinking it was timing because this wheel only has about 18 degrees or so built in.
@@Black66 can we get a retest with a 12 degree timing key please
Yes, I have been meaning to do another timing video. @@dirty_bob477
Can you make a video how you make the crankshaft holding tool
Its made from an old clutch. You pretty much just use the internal part of the clutch that slips over the shaft and drill holes in it so you can run bolts into the side cover. You can buy them from OMB and I think GoPowerSports.
Can you street ride with this fly wheel
can somone help me i removed the governer and a added a flywheel and a carburetor and my mini bike compression is higher than before is that normal and is it safe to ride
Well you are the guy with all the money 💰💰💰💰
Haters gotta hate
@@mc4492 I don't hate.
@@mc4492 I like what he has to say I just done have that parts access like black66 does. That's all.
anyone know the torqe spec for a pvl flywheel with a steel center hub ??
Where did you get the tillotson 212 ee flywheel? I have been looking for one of these for my 196cc coleman. I was told they handle more rpm than the stock coleman and can still retain the lights
I got the 212e flywheel off of my 212e. Maybe you could grab one off off the Tillotson web site, Not sure. Or Maybe GPS could order one for you.
Hi, where can i contact you about the product sponsorship?
Does it make your bike shake on acceleration
yea i gotta get that drill cuz i cant get my pvl flywheel off
I have an important question: Would you still be able to run the coils for a headlight output with this flywheel?
Not with this flywheel but I have a solution to that. Check out this video. th-cam.com/video/75arrzEwOvc/w-d-xo.html
Watched this one hoping you’d mention torque spec on the flywheel. Can only find 54 ft lbs for the steel, and 65 ft lbs for the billet, but nothing on these..
Cool vid how much lbs do u torque the flywheel to
Looking for the same info
@@TheKiddOnDrums I used one of these recently and torqued it down to 65 ft/lbs.
Mantap bang jooooossss
Use a light and check the timing🤔 or recheck with a stock key
What is the coil gap?
Would the cast aluminum 212 flywheel fit on a 212 ghost
The Ghost crankshaft has a clone taper. Any clone (196) flywheel will fit.
And what do you think about a .265 fire cam from go power sports with 26lb springs and a .010 head gasket? I'm putting it in my off road go kart.
Great cam!
Do you think that combo would work well on an off-road go kart or should I jus go with the hot cam
OK..excessive commenting alert but I keep seeing things I gotta sk questions about.
At the 5:00 mark I see you're running an "average" looking clutch. Would times/performance improve if you slapped on a Norms Clutch or even a Juggernaut or Rev-Zilla clutch? To compliment the 8000+ RPM Flywheel? Or would that over power the springs and cause valve float?
I like your comments! keep them coming. lol I think I would get better times if I used a different clutch but I try and use combos that are more common. At least some of the time. Its kinda fun to see what inexpensive combos will do
where did you get that crank holding tool?
I made it from an old clutch but you can buy one at GoPowerSports
I would have to check the timing on the flywheels themselves I bet my last dollar they differ .
I need some help .. will a 224 block accept a metal 212 cam from a non hemi? Trying to get rid of the plastic gear
You need a cam from a hemi Predator. It has .550 cam mains. The standard Predator has .558 mains. They are too big for the 224.
@@Black66 thanks I ordered one.
whats that exhaust you have and where can i purchase it?
Center exhaust from GoPowerSports
@@Black66 its for the 224 right i only see one on go power sports but it says 212 i dont want to get the wrong one by accident
Whats the crank hold tool and where can I get one?
The crank hold-down tool I use in the videos is made from an old clutch. GoPowerSports has a crank-holding tool.
Can you retain your charging system with this flywheel? I need the lights for a motorized bike build
No, it doesn't have the magnets.
@@Black66 ty for responding but.guess I'm gonna run a battery bank bc high rpm is a must so I need the billet flywheel.
Hey, I have a 224 Predator, 26 lbs springs, billet rod and flywheel. Wha jets should I use in my carb
I usually start out with a 120 main or so in a VM22. Jetting is different depending on mods and elevation etc. Look at the plug after riding for w while. If it's got that light tan/grey color it's running good.
I had a fire a few years back lost five of my near and dear Volkswagens and everything in my shop Neighbors playing with illegal fireworks😔 I had a brand new Predator 212 in the Box the block is still good I think it'd be fun if I gave it to you if you put some performance parts on it and see how much the stock flywheel can take till it blows up😂 not with you on a mini bike of course!!!
Actually , I would like to test that lol.
Now that would be a video to see!!
Yes it would be a video to see.
What app you use for to know the mph
I use a Dragy performance meter. I also use digiHUD on the phone.
Can that flywheel work on a predator 212 HEMI?
No, wrong taper , but DIY performance might have one for the Hemi on ebay...maybe
I have a stock 196cc Coleman bike with a header exhaust from go power sports I was wondering if I upgraded the carb to the vm22 will it make a difference or slow it down
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. I added a VM22 foo quite a few bikes. th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
Can you use that flywheel on the 196cc engine?
Yes, but it doesn't have the magnets for the charging coil.
Where can I find that crankshaft locking tool?
GoPowerSports has them on their web site
What exactly is it called on their website
Link for the flywheel is in the description of the video @@justinjohnson1813
Please help I need to take off my flywheel
What’s the purpose of lapping the flywheel? I know you lap valves but that’s so they seat correctly.
Same reason I’m guessing. Maybe flywheel didn’t sit right
Will it fit on the 212 ghost
Yes because the Ghost has a clone taper on the crankshaft.
Where did you buy the crank holding tool ?
I made it. They have them at GPS
Why do you need to hold the crank down?
How much foot pounds did you torque it too?
Wondering the same thing
does it hav e magnets for charging coils
No, it doesn't.
Will flywheel work with charging coils
No, it doesn't have the magnets
@@Black66I have to remove that piece ?
Could I use this on a 212 non hemi thanks in advance
They say it works on the non hemi but I would not use it on any of the Predator 212's. This flywheel is for an engine with a clone taper. No Generation of the Predator 212's have a crankshaft with a clone taper. Ghost 212 has a clone taper.
I'm sure your sick of these questions but I was wondering if I have a ten tooth clutch what rear sprocket count do you recommend for top end Speed @black66
theres a calculator online for that
Is there room for a charging system with this flywheel?
No, it doesn't have the magnets for the charging coils.
What do you do with all of those mini bikes?
I sell some from time to time. I probably will give some away on the channel at some point.
@@Black66
WooHoo
How much tourqe do you need to tighten it
About the same as a stock Predator wheel.
@@Black66 thanks
It would be nice to have a tachometer on it at top speed.
If there was a flywheel that had the weight of a stock flywheel and the safety of billet that would be awesome. Maintain the torque bur still be able to hit the high rpms!
Except that the flywheel has nothing to do with torque. If a 5 pound flywheel was better for performance than a 3 pound flywheel ARC racing would have made one years ago.