Sonic and Shadow as of generations are still close enough to equal that he oughta perform just as well as Shadow did; maybe he'd have a bit more trouble, since Shadow does have access to doom powers in his fight and Sonic doesn't have any equivalent buff throughout the game, but it's not like Sonic can't do pretty much everything shadow does in that fight anyhow.
If metal sonic got enough screen time…yes . He usually doesn’t get much time to grow outside of one altercation so if he was allowed to keep adapting like he did in heroes absolutely
Tbf, it's less of an immunity and being moreso able to also use it to counteract Shadow using it. It is still an incredible feat tho that he can use it without an emerald considering everyone else (excluding Black Doom) cannot.
@@TheGamingRift11 He is in fact immune to chaos control, even when you activate it, he moves the same way and says "chaos control? That power already belongs to me!". What the chaos control does work on are the projectiles we throw at him, and the green orbs we can use to make a run for his core.
@TheGamingRift11 I don't blame you for missing this because it's hard to notice while actively fighting Metal Overlord, but if you pay attention to him instead of the projectiles, you will see that he's moving at the same speed he does when not affected by chaos control
Before even watching the video, I already know the answer; Super Sonic was able to defeat Perfect Chaos and yet, two games later, it took the combined might of 3 Super forms (including Sonic) to defeat Metal Overlord, the Super forms individually were incapable of damaging Metal and needed to do combined attacks to have any effect on him. So, just from that alone, Chaos is incapable of winning due to not being strong enough to damage Metal.
Perfect Chaos was lashing out in a tantrum. Super Sonic needed to Open His Heart. Being near Sonic puts you in his positive energy aura, which calms warring minds. It's on the wiki.
@@TheDarkMaster312 Perfect Chaos was still unable to effect him in any way other than knocking him back yet Metal Overlord's missiles were capable of trapping the Super forms (implying they were incapable of breaking through the shell themselves). Also, are you meaning to tell me that Super Sonic wasn't attacking Chaos when his strategy was to ram into its brain so hard that it exploded? Sure, I agree that the reason the fight ended was because Chaos' anger dissipated over the course of the fight but that doesn't mean that Sonic didn't damage him at all.
Metal Overload literally has data copied from Chaos (through Froggy and Cream's Chao), the Ultimate Lifeform (Shadow, which also retroactively gives him Black Doom's data since Shadow was made with it), and Sonic. He should already be stronger than Perfect Chaos based on that. And then when you get into the actual fights, Super Sonic, who should be stronger in Heroes, can't damage him without the aid of Super Tails and Super Knux to use Team Blast. Whereas Super Sonic from SA1 could pierce through Perfect Chaos' body and damage it as usual.
@@GrimmyCultist The wiki literally calls them Super Tails and Super Knux. Those are their super forms, regardless of how much you hate the S3&K erasure.
even if perfect chaos could keep reviving once metal overlord copies his DNA and figures out that he's only that strong from absorbing the negative energy of the chaos emerald he might actually start using chaos' powers against him and incapacitate him for good.
Actually, Metal Overlord already has Chaos' data absorbed within him, it's why he kidnapped Froggy in Sonic Heroes, because Chaos went inside of Froggy in Adventure 1 so there were still traces of his DNA left in Froggy that he copied to get his Data. As Eggman says in Heroes "Metal Sonic has combined all your data with the Power of Chaos and is now unstoppable!" So he wouldn't even need to copy his data, he should already be capable of using his powers against him
I mean, technically not. Master Overlord was likely a similar power level to Metal Overlord, but while its power was around the same, maybe a little greater, it was much easier to defeat by just removing the Master Emerald. And that’s because Metal needed the Bio Data of Sonic, Shadow, and Chaos to transform in the first place, as stated by Neo Metal. But as stated by Neo Metal, Eggman removed that limitation so he can substitute Chaos’s bio data with the Master Emerald. But, as seen in the comic, he needed a constant supply of this energy, unlike his Metal Overlord transformation. As such, all the was required to stop the transformation was removing the Master Emerald. So technically yes, but also technically no.
@@RussiaFome Multiple offical sources including but not limited to Chris Hernandez, Katie Chrzanowski and Ian Flynn of the lore team, Frontiers and Tailstube state otherwise.
@@TheSwordsman100 They aren't canon because they conflict with the main story of the games, also Ian saying "I think we can imply it's canon at this point" doesn't mean shit until sega japan and sonic team approve
@@lx5323 I agree that the Master Emerald weakness is big issue, though I do think the power level jump is higher than just a little considering we are dealing with a Post Forces Sonic and yet in both Neo forms Metal had the upperhand, suggesting he had surpassed Infinite.
Let's put it this way : Perfect Chaos was single handeldly defeated by Sa1 Super Sonic; Super Sonic needed two other super formed people to even DAMAGE Metal Overlord. Arguably he should be just as if not more powerful than Awakened Emerl (who also had everyone's bio data plus the seven Chaos emeralds.) In addition, Perfect Chaos' actual poweset is very limited in what he can do (mostly chaos energy beams and prokectiles as well as shapeshifting), whereas Metal Overlord has potential access to a much larger movepol (All of Sonic, tails, Knuckles, Shadow, and Chaos himself's potential moves and abilities.)
Awesome video, bro! Thank you so much once again for taking my request to make this video. This was a match-up that, for some reason, no one seems to talk about. If i think of any more match-up ideas, I will let you know. Once again, great video, and thanks again.
1. Infinite vs Nazo 2. Nazo vs Seelkadoom 3. Knuckles vs Blaze 4. Metal Sonic (Base) vs E123 Omega 5. Shadow (Sonic Forces + Doom Powers) vs Silver 6. Amy (Current (Sonic Frontiers)) vs Blaze (Current (Sonic IDW comics))
Emerl / Gemerl (no idea what the differences are haven't played the games he's in sorry) VS Neo metal Sonic would be cool if only because of the fight in my head where they copy other character's moves and then copy the other copying other character's moves sounds cool as hell
Honestly a real simple way to look at it is this: Metal Overlord had all of the bio-data and powers of all of the Heroes cast, including Sonic and Shadow. He then went on to build himself a body from the pieces of egg man's egg fleet, and Sonic needed to go all out with the aid of Tails and Knuckles who were both also under the benefits of a pseudo-super form to win. The heavy implication is that Sonic could NOT have won that fight solo, as of Heroes; if he hadn't had Tails and Knuckles, he'd have lost- straight up. Meanwhile, Super Sonic straight up just bodies Perfect chaos and purifies it without much difficulty. I think Metal Overlord takes that fight extremely low dif personally.
Metal Overlorf literally copied Perfect Chaos’s data along with Sonic, Shadow, and every other character in Heroes. It took three teams and three super forms to beat him. He’s winning
Chaos emeralds are said to contain an infinite amount of energy per emerald. Some even say each emerald contains its own universe inside of it, but idk how lore accurate that could be.
"chaos emeralds are planetary because the eclipse cannon blew up chunks of the moon" That's enough power scaling for me, I can't take this shit seriously
Literally stopped watching after he said that, how do you say that sentence unironically and not immediately recognize the contradiction. Does this guy think the moon is larger than earth?
Being a descendant of an advanced race wouldn't mean he inherited the iq points of them. Hes still a mutated Chao hooked on chaos roids who for the most part acts like a guard dog for the Chao
you know what would be funny is if these two characters did get into a fight in the future and if chaos was fast enough he could probably throw a shit ton of water at metal overlord and metal would go down because electronics are not immune to water 😂
I think this is a great analysis, but one thing I will mention is that we actually DO see a pretty damn good feat for Shadow being able to undo the erasure that White Space does, which would actually just outright scale Metal Overlord to or above Perfect Chaos. So I think Metal Overlord with Shadow's feat alone (which Sonic also does), is at LEAST equaling Perfect Chaos. Either way, this is a good video. No problems whatsoever.
Unpopular opinion... Being able to copy and use an opponents data or abilities don't make you as good as they are at using said abilities... I can copy chaos data in my external hard drive aswell and my hard drive would still be weaker than chaos lol, plus chaos was either feral with anger when he was released up until he was cleansed by super sonic, so we don't actually know his intelligence level because he was allowing anger to take over and cloud his judgement as explained in SA1, on top of that... Chaos had no knowledge of sonic, his friends, or super sonic... so he couldn't't possibly prepare for the battle with them like metal could/did... Also... Sonic didn't need tails or knuckles against metal ,him and shadow both prove that, he just wanted to fight with his friends for plot and gameplay reasons lol
People seem to be confused, as long as a chaos emerald is nearby chaos control can be used, it doesn't necessarily have to be in one's possession thank you.
I just wanna go over a few things 1. Base Classic Knuckles was not capable of fighting Super Mecha Sonic, the whole point of that battle was that Knuckles wasn't able to harm Mecha Sonic in that state and had to periodically wait for the transformation to run out before he could actually damage him. 2. All those calcs for the Earth and Moon destroying feats are complete BS, it doesn't take planetary energy to blow up the Moon and it certainly doesn't take star to solar system levels of power to restore chunks of the Earth. 3. Erazor Djinn may have absorbed 3 of the Arabian Night's worlds but he himself doesn't actually have the power or AP/DC of multiple universes since he only gains the ability to destroy universes once he becomes Alf Layla wa-Layla who is defeated by Darkspine Sonic. 4. The black hole in Colors was only FORMED from Hyper-go-on energy, there's nothing in the game that actually says it's a augmented black hole. Sonic also made a Chili Dog out of Chaos Energy while using the Master Emerald, would you say that Chili Dog is a super Chili Dog because of this? 5. The statement of the Egg Fleet being "the strongest weapon in the universe" is merely hyperbole and nothing more.
The one thing I really dislike about Shadow Generations is the Metal Overlord fight. Don't get me wrong, it's a great boss, probably my favorate in the game, but I just don't think Shadow should be able to take him that easily. Originally he took 12 characters to beat, three of them in super forms, and when a (presumably) weaker version of him shows up after forces, Sonic still needs two friends to take him down, at the point you fight metal Overlord, Shadow only has three of his doom powers and only uses two, I can't see how that could boost his power enough to equalise the fight. All the other bosses in the game make sense, Shadow was always able to cintend with that form the the biolizard, Shadow was only a little behind Mephiles back in 06, and he could defeat Devil Doom before, but Metal Overlord is a character there was never an indication Shadow was even close to in power.
And this is another example of The Sonic Cast having Dragón Ball Super Levels of Power Crept,because No,máster Overlord is far,far Stronger Than metal Overlord just out the sheer fact Base Sonic did not one-shot him
Even without getting into the nitty gritty power scaling, Super Sonic solo’d Chaos while Metal Overlord took the combined might of 3 Super forms to beat. Not saying Metal Overlord is as strong as him, but even Solaris didn’t take 3 Super forms combining their strength to beat him, the 3 Super Hedgehogs all individually fought him across different time periods. Metal Overlord had (weaker) Super form characters wondering if he was invincible
Okay, if Master Overlord went up against Perfect Chaos, he could potentially trap Chaos in the Master Emerald, making him maybe even stronger than his normal Master Overlord strength
infinite got manhandled by a base sonic, meanwhile a more powerful sonic had no choice but to go super to beat giganto, so uhhh yeah edit: not necessarily manhandled, but still lost to a bunch of base characters. so yeah, doesnt really change much
Chaos and Metal are very real threats in the Sonic Universe. But the thing is, They are physical threats, and nothing else. No time, no ability to harness darkness, etc. Just big meaty punches, missiles, and elemental damage. No concepts, or man made metaphysical construct being warped for advantages.
Metal Sonic never forced Shadow to use Chaos Control. Shadow uses Chaos Control because it’s part of his moveset and he even uses the technique on fodder enemies as well so him using it on Metal Sonic doesn’t mean anything. And Metal Sonic is faster, in the Perfect Chaos fight, if you play perfectly, there’s never a moment where he ever gets close to landing a hit on Modern Sonic, so we can assume Modern Sonic speed blitzed him during the fight until he defeated him. With Metal Overlord, there are a number of moments where he reacts to Shadow (he’s not faster or even as fast as Shadow though since he always is the only one to actually get hit), for example, when Shadow uses Chaos Control mid fight, or when he sends ice breath at Shadow and keeps deflecting it until it hits him eventually, or even when he created a whirlpool and successfully manages to draw Shadow in. So Metal Sonic while being much slower is at least somewhat able to react to Shadow, whereas Perfect Chaos for all we know gets speed blitzed. Also Metal Sonic never showed to be the same speed as Modern Sonic in base past the Adventure games (unless you consider Neo to be his base as well) until Sonic 4 and Sonic Colours, but that would just mean that he got more powerful than he was during Sonic Heroes in base. And the Wisp vortex is more impressive than a black hole, in an unused voice like from Colours 3DS I believe, Eggman states Wisp Energy is an equal to Chaos Energy. And Perfect Chaos takes no intelligence from the Ancients. Just because they are related doesn’t mean anything. If that were the case that would apply to all the Chaos, since they are directly evolved from them. Yet it doesn’t. Chaos is a Chao that took on the power of the Emeralds and Master Emeralds negative energy, returning it to a form that looks similar to the Ancients, but at the end of the day, his intelligence is still comparable to a Chao, which would be similar to an animal or toddler (and not the anthropomorphic kind like Sonic and the rest of the cast, who are also intelligent like humans). Saying that 1% would be more than human intelligence is pretty baseless. Also Shadow is on par with Sonic in speed, you can’t just brush off Omega stating that Shadow and Sonic are equal in strength and speed in Generations but accept the statement of Eggmans Egg Fleet surpassing everything in the universe. It goes both ways, and also it’s more accurate from Omega as he’s a machine with extreme prowess and capability, who makes statements based off data specifically, where Eggman is an egotistical inventor who may boldly use hyperbole when describing his inventions, as that’s in character for him, that’s not to say his statement can’t be taken seriously or is not true necessarily, but context has to be accounted for and that makes him less credible than the statement from Omega. It is still very reliable in situations like when he describes Solaris who can eat dimensions (this makes a lot of sense as Solaris erased the universe that Sonic and his friends were existing in upon transforming). And Eggmans Egg Fleet in Sonic Adventure having surpassed everything before doesn’t mean it’s remotely close to Super Classic Sonic level, as the only time Eggman was able to contend with the form was when he took the Master Emerald to be amped and even then that doesn’t mean much as the fight was very one sided and Classic Super Sonic was basically bullying and chasing down Eggmans Egg Robot anyways. This isn’t due to gameplay mechanics either as we’ve seen fights that are more challenging for Classic Super Sonic, like in Sonic Manias final boss battle, where he’s trying to get the Phantom Ruby. So Perfect Chaos one shotting the ship doesn’t mean he can one shot, or even beat Classic Super Sonic. And Generations Modern Sonic isn’t necessarily more powerful than Adventure Super Sonic or even with him either. Him being able to beat Perfect Chaos just means he has AP on that level or higher, not necessarily that he’s as durable or even as fast (although I’d say he probably is at least). Still though, we know he’s more or less equal to Shadow when he isn’t using Doom Powers, therefore he scales to Shadow defeating Metal Overlord (Shadow did use Doom Surf and Doom Spear but only really to move easier on the water or for the convenience of destroying rubble). So Sonic is at least able to deal the same AP as Super Sonic in Sonic Heroes. And since Solaris used the Chaos Emeralds power to fuse Iblis and Mephiles, and Perfect Chaos had the power of the negative energy of the Chaos Emeralds and Master Emerald, it means base Gen’s Sonic is able deal Sonic 06 Super form level damage and so is Shadow, even if their durability is in theory a lot below that (Shadow is definitely beyond that with Doom Wings though if we are considering that “base” in Gens) Also Metal Overlord doesn’t need 3 Super transformations to beat him in Heroes, he was beaten by Super Sonic, who put Super Shields around Knuckles and Tails. This is different from the Super forms that we know they definitely have due to Classic games. So it’s safe to say that it’s more like one Super transformation being used to beat Metal Overlord, with Sonic lending energy to Tails and Knuckles so they can help fight as well, not 3 like in Sonic 06 against Solaris
Great video! I think that for sure when comparing feats Metal Overlord completely destroys Perfect Chaos. However, i feel like Perfect Chaos has been destroyed in power scaling because of Sonic Generations, where I think the writers knew that Perfect Chaos was the definitive boss to include. Since Sonic didn’t have the Chaos Emeralds and couldn’t go Super Sonic, they kinda haphazardly threw up Base Sonic against him for the reason that they knew they’d have to include him. In reality, Base Sonic, even as he is now, shouldn’t have been able to defeat Perfect Chaos. And in Shadow Generations, Base Shadow could defeat Metal Overlord, and i dont think anyone here would say Base Shadow could solo all three teams and Super Charged Team Sonic. I still think Metal Overlord would come out on top in a matchup with Perfect Chaos, but using the feats from the games is a bit iffy since Perfect Chaos couldn’t show how much of a threat he is due to technical limitations of SA1 and since Base Sonic really shouldn’t be able to defeat him in Generations. I thinks its far less one sided than people may think. I just feel we haven’t gotten a chance to see Perfect Chaos in his full potential.
Perfect Chaos is getting destroyed because it took just super sonic to beat him, while Metal Overlord was a bigger threat because Neo Metal Sonic copied all sonic and his friends data. Even Shadow data and Chaos data so i have no way of thinking for Metal Overlord could be killed when he can also do chaos control. Beside, If sonic didn't have Tails and Knuckles, he was lose that fight on one on one. So Metal Overlord is extremely low dif. (This is coming from a Sonic nerd and knowing lores about Sonic and doing research about fights to see who wins and who loses)
When is Sonic Villain going to use ALL of the power of the Chaos Emeralds and not just the evil energy? Or is impossible to have both in one body? Do they annilate each other? But if that were the case why wouldnt they do so inside the emeralds?
In their debut? Metal Overlord and it isn't close, Overlord would be better in almost every stat, especially since he fought 3 stronger Super's preforming coranated attacks, compare to Chaos's 1 Super. Generation? Metal Overlord, but this version is much closer since the scale relatively close, but since Shadow got the Doom upgrade and used an Emerald on Overlord, vs Perfect Chaos who just fought base Sonic, Overlord would scale higher. Also Modern Base Metal could beat Perfect Chaos from both era's funny enough, since he is Sonic's equal and could more efficiently attack Chaos's weak point with his flight and Maximum Overdrive attack then Sonic could. So that also means Modern Metal in base could put up a really good fight against his own strongest form. Yeah Sonic power creep is while af.
Base Sonic needed 4 hits while Adventure Super Sonic needed 6. Base Sonic’s strength > Adventure 1 Super Sonic That Black hole feat was calced to be MFTL+
I disagree. I think Metal Overlord would lose to Perfect Chaos. Brace yourself for an essay where I try to explain why. While Metal Overlord is an imposing figure with impressive machinery and well-rounded durability, he's severely lacking both offense and speed. Sure, he has copied Sonic's, Shadow's, and even Chaos's data to make himself more powerful and gain more abilities, all he does with those abilities is fire missiles, throw debris, flail his tail about, spray fire, and temporarily freeze time with chaos control. And all that bulk he tacked on made him slow and clunky. Considering Perfect Chaos is immune to fire and could intercept any missiles and debris with his own water tentacles, energy shots, waterspouts, and breath laser, the only attacking strategy Metal Overlord has is to use chaos control to freeze time long enough to rush Chaos down with a body tackle and strike his brain directly. But chaos control isn't a power exclusive to Shadow or Black Doom or Metal Sonic. As long as the user knows about the emerald's power and has access to it they can use chaos control, or at least be immune to its influence from other users. Case in point: Sonic using that ability with Tails's duped emerald, and the Biolizard using some of the chaos energy it inherited from the eclipse cannon's energy reserves (which were powered by the emeralds). Chaos himself is a descendant of the the Ancient Ones, a Chao that mutated back into an Ancient One, and they were the original holders of the emeralds and have more experience with them than possibly anyone. Considering Perfect Chaos is powered by seven emeralds just like the Biolizard was I think it's fair to assume Chaos at minimum has immunity to chaos control, and at best could use it as well. The only reason Chaos hasn't been shown to use chaos control because Chaos was written first; nothing a little retconning can't fix, and it's not as out of the question as you might think. If you had a chance to play the GameCube version of Sonic Adventure 2, you might recall in the 1v1 mode that Chaos 0 had the strongest time freeze ability of any character you could select. Perfect Chaos may be a glass cannon, but he's a glass cannon with raw power that rivals the Four Titans of the Starfall Islands, Giganto in particular. Metal Overlord's well-rounded durability is also still vulnerable around his naval region where even Shadow can beat up for free, and his body is mostly made up of parts he assembled from blowing up other robots. so the breath laser attack from Chaos that destroyed an Egg Carrier could absolutely total him. Metal Overlord may be an intelligent robot, but all the data he copied only made him an inferior version of everything he copied on top of being a robot designed by Eggman. Lest I remind you that Eggman has a solid track record of overstating the power of his own defective creations. Frankly, I think Metal Overlord has a better chance of beating Perfect Chaos as *drum roll please* ... Metal Sonic. Metal Sonic's original design may not be super strong but at least he was as fast, if not faster, than Sonic. That's because his body was engineered to be light yet durable, aerodynamic, and simple in what it does. With a fighter jet turbine for a torso and less circuitry for his supercomputer to manage Metal Sonic is a hypersonic torpedo by himself, which is just the right kind of offense he needs to be. They may cancel out each other's chaos control, but Metal Sonic's base speed would put him leaps and bounds above Chaos. Yes, I truly believe that Metal Sonic would be far more agile, precise, and efficient as... himself.
@ Metal Overlord has a weak spot: the green orb on his naval. He’s also only as strong as the material that was taken from the robots he destroyed. He’s more durable than a brain in a puddle, but not that durable. And while there’s not enough evidence to suggest Chaos knows Chaos control, it’s not out of the question that he could perform it. In his perfect form he already has the chaos emerald’s energy and he has his own hyrdrokenetic version of time freeze, and if Sonic can perform chaos control off a duped emerald after seeing Shadow perform it at least twice, Chaos probably could figure it out. Also, Metal Overlord has shoddy offense.
“Metal Overlord is lacking offensive and speed.” - Perfect Chaos lacks these qualities too. How does he damage Metal? They couldn’t even damage SA1 Super Sonic. “Perfect Chaos has raw power that rivals the four Titans of the Starfall Islands” - No lol. Perfect Chaos gets stomped by Modern Sonic. How’s he at all relevant to Titans that stomp Modern Sonic?
Except current Metal Sonic scales to base Sonic, he easily beats Perfect Chaos with no issue Generations Perfect Chaos is the same as Adventure 1 Neo has Sonic biodatas, meaning he gets stronger every seconds as well Metal Overlord could only be beaten by Doom Shadow Also, how is Perfect Chaos immortal, he lost Anyway as i said, current Metal Sonic (due to IDW) scale to current Sonic (Master Overlord doesnt count, he only had 3 biodatas, Sonic, Eggman and Shadow, as Overlord had 10 biodatas, a modern Overlord would rivalise 3 super forms, and even better considering he would be able to copy Silver or the new characters of today)
You’re just completely false about the Erazor Dynn mention, that guide picture you show is literally only talking about the Astral Plane seen during the Night Palace level NOT every individual story or every location. Get your facts right.
@@darkchaos3474 in the intro cutscene alone, we see Erazor has control of the Night Palace. With the night palace containing an infinite amount of space meaning a universal realm inside that palace Especially as Erazor in the ifrit boss had absorbed half the Arabian nights, with Sonic at half power beating him. Regardless which way you spin it, sonic at 50% would still be scaling to Uni and having Infinite levels of speed.
@ Bruh, Night Palace is literally just a palace floating in the sky. The Astral Plane Sonic gets sent to during the level isn’t within the palace, it’s a completely separate realm and Sonic only runs through small portions of it NOT the entirety of it so it’s not an infinite speed thing. Erazor also absorbs power from the words and stories of the Arabian Nights book to grow in power and he destroyed half of the stories and was going to let the Ifrit Golem burn away the rest. If base Sonic was anywhere close to universal in a “weakened” state then he would’ve easily beat the planetary Dark Gaia but he didn’t so base Sonic’s power is too inconsistent to begin with. Even without Secret Rings, Sonic fights Emerl in Sonic Battle whom had all 7 Emeralds absorbed, +solar system levels of power absorbed, + all the data of Sonic & co and he still can’t beat the planetary Dark Gaia so
How is perfect chaos faster at all? You do realize when you use chaos control with shadow on metal overlord, he is the ONLY boss who ignores it and attacks through it? Did you even play the game?
As many here has already stated, Metal Sonic slaps. Unlike your previous video depicting why YOU believe The End can defeat Solaris, despite the community and even Ian Flynn confirming the opposite, these are the times where newer villains, mainly final bosses, are always more powerful than the previous to up the stake. With that said, Metal Overlord is all around stronger and better than Perfect Chaos. It literally has all of the data from everyone and even Chaos itself. To put it it simpler terms: One required a single Super character while the other required several Super characters. Metal Sonic wins with no contest.
Perfect chaos slams, all metal does is absorb biodata, that's nothing compared to the actual power of chaos emeralds even the negative power should be enough to rip metal apart
3:05 that’s factually incorrect sonic isn’t going fast through time restoring the white space in some generations. Every time he entered a location in white space he is redoing those events that took place in those games. He’s not going fast. He’s reliving those moments.
I suppose this all poses another question: if Sonic was capable of defeating Perfect Chaos in his modern base form, could Metal Sonic do so as well?
Based on statements, I guess so XD - Never thought of it like that
Sonic and Shadow as of generations are still close enough to equal that he oughta perform just as well as Shadow did; maybe he'd have a bit more trouble, since Shadow does have access to doom powers in his fight and Sonic doesn't have any equivalent buff throughout the game, but it's not like Sonic can't do pretty much everything shadow does in that fight anyhow.
If shadow could do it I think Sonic could
GREAT THE GAMING RIFT WHY PERFECT CHAOS VS METAL OVERLORD NOT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE VIDEO.
If metal sonic got enough screen time…yes . He usually doesn’t get much time to grow outside of one altercation so if he was allowed to keep adapting like he did in heroes absolutely
You forgot to mention that metal overlord can use chaos controle without a chaos emerald and is immune to it
The immunity to Chaos Control would be irrelevant in this matchup to be fair.
He isn’t immune to chaos control
Shadow used it to his advantage in generations
Tbf, it's less of an immunity and being moreso able to also use it to counteract Shadow using it. It is still an incredible feat tho that he can use it without an emerald considering everyone else (excluding Black Doom) cannot.
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He is in fact immune to chaos control, even when you activate it, he moves the same way and says "chaos control? That power already belongs to me!". What the chaos control does work on are the projectiles we throw at him, and the green orbs we can use to make a run for his core.
@TheGamingRift11 I don't blame you for missing this because it's hard to notice while actively fighting Metal Overlord, but if you pay attention to him instead of the projectiles, you will see that he's moving at the same speed he does when not affected by chaos control
Before even watching the video, I already know the answer; Super Sonic was able to defeat Perfect Chaos and yet, two games later, it took the combined might of 3 Super forms (including Sonic) to defeat Metal Overlord, the Super forms individually were incapable of damaging Metal and needed to do combined attacks to have any effect on him. So, just from that alone, Chaos is incapable of winning due to not being strong enough to damage Metal.
More they had to super charge their attacks further
Crazy how they both get bodied by generations sonic and shadow with no difficulty in base
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Perfect Chaos was lashing out in a tantrum. Super Sonic needed to Open His Heart. Being near Sonic puts you in his positive energy aura, which calms warring minds. It's on the wiki.
@@TheDarkMaster312 Perfect Chaos was still unable to effect him in any way other than knocking him back yet Metal Overlord's missiles were capable of trapping the Super forms (implying they were incapable of breaking through the shell themselves). Also, are you meaning to tell me that Super Sonic wasn't attacking Chaos when his strategy was to ram into its brain so hard that it exploded? Sure, I agree that the reason the fight ended was because Chaos' anger dissipated over the course of the fight but that doesn't mean that Sonic didn't damage him at all.
Metal Overload literally has data copied from Chaos (through Froggy and Cream's Chao), the Ultimate Lifeform (Shadow, which also retroactively gives him Black Doom's data since Shadow was made with it), and Sonic. He should already be stronger than Perfect Chaos based on that. And then when you get into the actual fights, Super Sonic, who should be stronger in Heroes, can't damage him without the aid of Super Tails and Super Knux to use Team Blast. Whereas Super Sonic from SA1 could pierce through Perfect Chaos' body and damage it as usual.
bro basically pressed Control + A, Control + C
that isn't super tails and super knux tho. its just them being inside a super bubble
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The wiki literally calls them Super Tails and Super Knux. Those are their super forms, regardless of how much you hate the S3&K erasure.
Now that you bring up Black Doom that explains where Metal Overlord got his wings...
@@espurrseyes42 the wiki aint always right
honestly,Perfect Chaos vs Iblis seems like a fun fight
Honestly seems like a more realistic fight, metal is washing chaos anyday🙏🏾😭
Water Vs Fire
My goat Metal Sonic is washing lil bro
even if perfect chaos could keep reviving once metal overlord copies his DNA and figures out that he's only that strong from absorbing the negative energy of the chaos emerald
he might actually start using chaos' powers against him and incapacitate him for good.
Actually, Metal Overlord already has Chaos' data absorbed within him, it's why he kidnapped Froggy in Sonic Heroes, because Chaos went inside of Froggy in Adventure 1 so there were still traces of his DNA left in Froggy that he copied to get his Data.
As Eggman says in Heroes "Metal Sonic has combined all your data with the Power of Chaos and is now unstoppable!"
So he wouldn't even need to copy his data, he should already be capable of using his powers against him
And thats all without even going over Metal's presumably stronger reappearance in IDW's first arc. (since IDW is canon)
I mean, technically not. Master Overlord was likely a similar power level to Metal Overlord, but while its power was around the same, maybe a little greater, it was much easier to defeat by just removing the Master Emerald. And that’s because Metal needed the Bio Data of Sonic, Shadow, and Chaos to transform in the first place, as stated by Neo Metal. But as stated by Neo Metal, Eggman removed that limitation so he can substitute Chaos’s bio data with the Master Emerald. But, as seen in the comic, he needed a constant supply of this energy, unlike his Metal Overlord transformation. As such, all the was required to stop the transformation was removing the Master Emerald.
So technically yes, but also technically no.
IDW isnt canon
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Multiple offical sources including but not limited to Chris Hernandez, Katie Chrzanowski and Ian Flynn of the lore team, Frontiers and Tailstube state otherwise.
@@TheSwordsman100 They aren't canon because they conflict with the main story of the games, also Ian saying "I think we can imply it's canon at this point" doesn't mean shit until sega japan and sonic team approve
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I agree that the Master Emerald weakness is big issue, though I do think the power level jump is higher than just a little considering we are dealing with a Post Forces Sonic and yet in both Neo forms Metal had the upperhand, suggesting he had surpassed Infinite.
Did a chaos powerscaling video recently, so glad to see this!
EXCELLENT THE GAMING RIFT WORK.
Let's put it this way : Perfect Chaos was single handeldly defeated by Sa1 Super Sonic; Super Sonic needed two other super formed people to even DAMAGE Metal Overlord. Arguably he should be just as if not more powerful than Awakened Emerl (who also had everyone's bio data plus the seven Chaos emeralds.) In addition, Perfect Chaos' actual poweset is very limited in what he can do (mostly chaos energy beams and prokectiles as well as shapeshifting), whereas Metal Overlord has potential access to a much larger movepol (All of Sonic, tails, Knuckles, Shadow, and Chaos himself's potential moves and abilities.)
What Do You Guys Think? Let Me Know!! Suggest Future Matchups Down Below!!
Awesome video, bro! Thank you so much once again for taking my request to make this video. This was a match-up that, for some reason, no one seems to talk about. If i think of any more match-up ideas, I will let you know. Once again, great video, and thanks again.
Metal Overlord vs. Devil Doom
1. Infinite vs Nazo
2. Nazo vs Seelkadoom
3. Knuckles vs Blaze
4. Metal Sonic (Base) vs E123 Omega
5. Shadow (Sonic Forces + Doom Powers) vs Silver
6. Amy (Current (Sonic Frontiers)) vs Blaze (Current (Sonic IDW comics))
Emerl / Gemerl (no idea what the differences are haven't played the games he's in sorry) VS Neo metal Sonic would be cool if only because of the fight in my head where they copy other character's moves and then copy the other copying other character's moves sounds cool as hell
Honestly a real simple way to look at it is this:
Metal Overlord had all of the bio-data and powers of all of the Heroes cast, including Sonic and Shadow. He then went on to build himself a body from the pieces of egg man's egg fleet, and Sonic needed to go all out with the aid of Tails and Knuckles who were both also under the benefits of a pseudo-super form to win. The heavy implication is that Sonic could NOT have won that fight solo, as of Heroes; if he hadn't had Tails and Knuckles, he'd have lost- straight up.
Meanwhile, Super Sonic straight up just bodies Perfect chaos and purifies it without much difficulty.
I think Metal Overlord takes that fight extremely low dif personally.
You can calculate the strength of Knuckle's punch in Poker Adventure, in this game Knuckles throws Sonic into the sky
Metal Overlorf literally copied Perfect Chaos’s data along with Sonic, Shadow, and every other character in Heroes. It took three teams and three super forms to beat him. He’s winning
Both of their themes go hard so I give them both a point for that
Agreed
2:18 it didn’t matter based on hits it mattered on how powerful sonic was when he faced perfect chaos in his base form
Okay, he’s so powerful that it took several hits to take him down.
Chaos emeralds are said to contain an infinite amount of energy per emerald. Some even say each emerald contains its own universe inside of it, but idk how lore accurate that could be.
"chaos emeralds are planetary because the eclipse cannon blew up chunks of the moon"
That's enough power scaling for me, I can't take this shit seriously
Literally stopped watching after he said that, how do you say that sentence unironically and not immediately recognize the contradiction. Does this guy think the moon is larger than earth?
Tbf, even the creator of Dragon Ball admitted in an interview that Power Levels are nonsense and he only came up with them to make Goku look stronger.
Being a descendant of an advanced race wouldn't mean he inherited the iq points of them. Hes still a mutated Chao hooked on chaos roids who for the most part acts like a guard dog for the Chao
you know what would be funny is if these two characters did get into a fight in the future
and if chaos was fast enough he could probably throw a shit ton of water at metal overlord and metal would go down because electronics are not immune to water 😂
Probably my 2 favourite fights in the series
I think this is a great analysis, but one thing I will mention is that we actually DO see a pretty damn good feat for Shadow being able to undo the erasure that White Space does, which would actually just outright scale Metal Overlord to or above Perfect Chaos. So I think Metal Overlord with Shadow's feat alone (which Sonic also does), is at LEAST equaling Perfect Chaos. Either way, this is a good video. No problems whatsoever.
Unpopular opinion... Being able to copy and use an opponents data or abilities don't make you as good as they are at using said abilities... I can copy chaos data in my external hard drive aswell and my hard drive would still be weaker than chaos lol, plus chaos was either feral with anger when he was released up until he was cleansed by super sonic, so we don't actually know his intelligence level because he was allowing anger to take over and cloud his judgement as explained in SA1, on top of that... Chaos had no knowledge of sonic, his friends, or super sonic... so he couldn't't possibly prepare for the battle with them like metal could/did... Also... Sonic didn't need tails or knuckles against metal ,him and shadow both prove that, he just wanted to fight with his friends for plot and gameplay reasons lol
Can you do one with the deadly six vs Black Doom! Those are the only demon like characters in the games that i would like to see fight.
2:25 I love the SATS appreciation. The story is underrated as well as its scaling.
People seem to be confused, as long as a chaos emerald is nearby chaos control can be used, it doesn't necessarily have to be in one's possession thank you.
I see you're on your Sonic arc now.
yo bro wouldn't Metal Overlord vs Djinn be so good
Hey, can you please make a video about cell (dragon ball) vs metal sonic me and my friends have been arguing about who would win for 3 days now
BROO WE ARE DOING SONIC VILLAINS VS NOW? LESGOOO
type shit 😂😭🔥🔥🔥
I just wanna go over a few things
1. Base Classic Knuckles was not capable of fighting Super Mecha Sonic, the whole point of that battle was that Knuckles wasn't able to harm Mecha Sonic in that state and had to periodically wait for the transformation to run out before he could actually damage him.
2. All those calcs for the Earth and Moon destroying feats are complete BS, it doesn't take planetary energy to blow up the Moon and it certainly doesn't take star to solar system levels of power to restore chunks of the Earth.
3. Erazor Djinn may have absorbed 3 of the Arabian Night's worlds but he himself doesn't actually have the power or AP/DC of multiple universes since he only gains the ability to destroy universes once he becomes Alf Layla wa-Layla who is defeated by Darkspine Sonic.
4. The black hole in Colors was only FORMED from Hyper-go-on energy, there's nothing in the game that actually says it's a augmented black hole. Sonic also made a Chili Dog out of Chaos Energy while using the Master Emerald, would you say that Chili Dog is a super Chili Dog because of this?
5. The statement of the Egg Fleet being "the strongest weapon in the universe" is merely hyperbole and nothing more.
Electricity manipulation. Just electrocute Perfect Chaos
The one thing I really dislike about Shadow Generations is the Metal Overlord fight. Don't get me wrong, it's a great boss, probably my favorate in the game, but I just don't think Shadow should be able to take him that easily. Originally he took 12 characters to beat, three of them in super forms, and when a (presumably) weaker version of him shows up after forces, Sonic still needs two friends to take him down, at the point you fight metal Overlord, Shadow only has three of his doom powers and only uses two, I can't see how that could boost his power enough to equalise the fight. All the other bosses in the game make sense, Shadow was always able to cintend with that form the the biolizard, Shadow was only a little behind Mephiles back in 06, and he could defeat Devil Doom before, but Metal Overlord is a character there was never an indication Shadow was even close to in power.
And this is another example of The Sonic Cast having Dragón Ball Super Levels of Power Crept,because No,máster Overlord is far,far Stronger Than metal Overlord just out the sheer fact Base Sonic did not one-shot him
It took 12 characters sure but like 3/4 of those characters are kinda ass and the super form tails and knuckles got weren't even true super forms
Even without getting into the nitty gritty power scaling, Super Sonic solo’d Chaos while Metal Overlord took the combined might of 3 Super forms to beat. Not saying Metal Overlord is as strong as him, but even Solaris didn’t take 3 Super forms combining their strength to beat him, the 3 Super Hedgehogs all individually fought him across different time periods. Metal Overlord had (weaker) Super form characters wondering if he was invincible
These are my 2 favorite final bosses in Sonic.
Okay, if Master Overlord went up against Perfect Chaos, he could potentially trap Chaos in the Master Emerald, making him maybe even stronger than his normal Master Overlord strength
(Sonic Boom) Sonic vs (Sonic Prime) Sonic
could you do infinite vs the giganto form sonic frontiers and why it is not close?
Oh no Giganto stomps
infinite got manhandled by a base sonic, meanwhile a more powerful sonic had no choice but to go super to beat giganto, so uhhh yeah
edit: not necessarily manhandled, but still lost to a bunch of base characters. so yeah, doesnt really change much
Giganto > Sonic > Infinite
One of those beams from chaos is wiping overlord of the face of the earth
didn't metal also get the bio-data of chaos as well because of froggy?
Each chaos emeralds have univeres in them
You did NOT just scale off of Eggman's gloating on the Egg Fleet.
Chaos and Metal are very real threats in the Sonic Universe. But the thing is, They are physical threats, and nothing else. No time, no ability to harness darkness, etc. Just big meaty punches, missiles, and elemental damage. No concepts, or man made metaphysical construct being warped for advantages.
Metal Sonic never forced Shadow to use Chaos Control. Shadow uses Chaos Control because it’s part of his moveset and he even uses the technique on fodder enemies as well so him using it on Metal Sonic doesn’t mean anything.
And Metal Sonic is faster, in the Perfect Chaos fight, if you play perfectly, there’s never a moment where he ever gets close to landing a hit on Modern Sonic, so we can assume Modern Sonic speed blitzed him during the fight until he defeated him. With Metal Overlord, there are a number of moments where he reacts to Shadow (he’s not faster or even as fast as Shadow though since he always is the only one to actually get hit), for example, when Shadow uses Chaos Control mid fight, or when he sends ice breath at Shadow and keeps deflecting it until it hits him eventually, or even when he created a whirlpool and successfully manages to draw Shadow in. So Metal Sonic while being much slower is at least somewhat able to react to Shadow, whereas Perfect Chaos for all we know gets speed blitzed.
Also Metal Sonic never showed to be the same speed as Modern Sonic in base past the Adventure games (unless you consider Neo to be his base as well) until Sonic 4 and Sonic Colours, but that would just mean that he got more powerful than he was during Sonic Heroes in base.
And the Wisp vortex is more impressive than a black hole, in an unused voice like from Colours 3DS I believe, Eggman states Wisp Energy is an equal to Chaos Energy.
And Perfect Chaos takes no intelligence from the Ancients. Just because they are related doesn’t mean anything. If that were the case that would apply to all the Chaos, since they are directly evolved from them. Yet it doesn’t. Chaos is a Chao that took on the power of the Emeralds and Master Emeralds negative energy, returning it to a form that looks similar to the Ancients, but at the end of the day, his intelligence is still comparable to a Chao, which would be similar to an animal or toddler (and not the anthropomorphic kind like Sonic and the rest of the cast, who are also intelligent like humans). Saying that 1% would be more than human intelligence is pretty baseless.
Also Shadow is on par with Sonic in speed, you can’t just brush off Omega stating that Shadow and Sonic are equal in strength and speed in Generations but accept the statement of Eggmans Egg Fleet surpassing everything in the universe. It goes both ways, and also it’s more accurate from Omega as he’s a machine with extreme prowess and capability, who makes statements based off data specifically, where Eggman is an egotistical inventor who may boldly use hyperbole when describing his inventions, as that’s in character for him, that’s not to say his statement can’t be taken seriously or is not true necessarily, but context has to be accounted for and that makes him less credible than the statement from Omega. It is still very reliable in situations like when he describes Solaris who can eat dimensions (this makes a lot of sense as Solaris erased the universe that Sonic and his friends were existing in upon transforming).
And Eggmans Egg Fleet in Sonic Adventure having surpassed everything before doesn’t mean it’s remotely close to Super Classic Sonic level, as the only time Eggman was able to contend with the form was when he took the Master Emerald to be amped and even then that doesn’t mean much as the fight was very one sided and Classic Super Sonic was basically bullying and chasing down Eggmans Egg Robot anyways. This isn’t due to gameplay mechanics either as we’ve seen fights that are more challenging for Classic Super Sonic, like in Sonic Manias final boss battle, where he’s trying to get the Phantom Ruby. So Perfect Chaos one shotting the ship doesn’t mean he can one shot, or even beat Classic Super Sonic. And Generations Modern Sonic isn’t necessarily more powerful than Adventure Super Sonic or even with him either. Him being able to beat Perfect Chaos just means he has AP on that level or higher, not necessarily that he’s as durable or even as fast (although I’d say he probably is at least). Still though, we know he’s more or less equal to Shadow when he isn’t using Doom Powers, therefore he scales to Shadow defeating Metal Overlord (Shadow did use Doom Surf and Doom Spear but only really to move easier on the water or for the convenience of destroying rubble). So Sonic is at least able to deal the same AP as Super Sonic in Sonic Heroes. And since Solaris used the Chaos Emeralds power to fuse Iblis and Mephiles, and Perfect Chaos had the power of the negative energy of the Chaos Emeralds and Master Emerald, it means base Gen’s Sonic is able deal Sonic 06 Super form level damage and so is Shadow, even if their durability is in theory a lot below that (Shadow is definitely beyond that with Doom Wings though if we are considering that “base” in Gens)
Also Metal Overlord doesn’t need 3 Super transformations to beat him in Heroes, he was beaten by Super Sonic, who put Super Shields around Knuckles and Tails. This is different from the Super forms that we know they definitely have due to Classic games. So it’s safe to say that it’s more like one Super transformation being used to beat Metal Overlord, with Sonic lending energy to Tails and Knuckles so they can help fight as well, not 3 like in Sonic 06 against Solaris
You don't even have to use it in the boss fight too lol. Its completely optional
I feel like a more even match up worth debating is:
Metal Overlord vs Final Harzard
Metal Overlord vs Perfect Dark Gaia
Neither of those are any better lol. Metal Overlord stomps Final Hazard & Perfect Dark Gaia stomps Metal Overlord.
Real question: is Metal Overlord fully waterproof? At the end of the day, he’s a machine. If he can get short circuited by Chaos, it’s basically over
Was there really ever any doubt on the real winner? Seemed extremely straight forward
Great video! I think that for sure when comparing feats Metal Overlord completely destroys Perfect Chaos. However, i feel like Perfect Chaos has been destroyed in power scaling because of Sonic Generations, where I think the writers knew that Perfect Chaos was the definitive boss to include. Since Sonic didn’t have the Chaos Emeralds and couldn’t go Super Sonic, they kinda haphazardly threw up Base Sonic against him for the reason that they knew they’d have to include him. In reality, Base Sonic, even as he is now, shouldn’t have been able to defeat Perfect Chaos. And in Shadow Generations, Base Shadow could defeat Metal Overlord, and i dont think anyone here would say Base Shadow could solo all three teams and Super Charged Team Sonic. I still think Metal Overlord would come out on top in a matchup with Perfect Chaos, but using the feats from the games is a bit iffy since Perfect Chaos couldn’t show how much of a threat he is due to technical limitations of SA1 and since Base Sonic really shouldn’t be able to defeat him in Generations. I thinks its far less one sided than people may think. I just feel we haven’t gotten a chance to see Perfect Chaos in his full potential.
Perfect Chaos is getting destroyed because it took just super sonic to beat him, while Metal Overlord was a bigger threat because Neo Metal Sonic copied all sonic and his friends data. Even Shadow data and Chaos data so i have no way of thinking for Metal Overlord could be killed when he can also do chaos control. Beside, If sonic didn't have Tails and Knuckles, he was lose that fight on one on one. So Metal Overlord is extremely low dif. (This is coming from a Sonic nerd and knowing lores about Sonic and doing research about fights to see who wins and who loses)
When is Sonic Villain going to use ALL of the power of the Chaos Emeralds and not just the evil energy? Or is impossible to have both in one body? Do they annilate each other? But if that were the case why wouldnt they do so inside the emeralds?
In their debut?
Metal Overlord and it isn't close, Overlord would be better in almost every stat, especially since he fought 3 stronger Super's preforming coranated attacks, compare to Chaos's 1 Super.
Generation?
Metal Overlord, but this version is much closer since the scale relatively close, but since Shadow got the Doom upgrade and used an Emerald on Overlord, vs Perfect Chaos who just fought base Sonic, Overlord would scale higher.
Also Modern Base Metal could beat Perfect Chaos from both era's funny enough, since he is Sonic's equal and could more efficiently attack Chaos's weak point with his flight and Maximum Overdrive attack then Sonic could.
So that also means Modern Metal in base could put up a really good fight against his own strongest form.
Yeah Sonic power creep is while af.
Base Sonic needed 4 hits while Adventure Super Sonic needed 6. Base Sonic’s strength > Adventure 1 Super Sonic
That Black hole feat was calced to be MFTL+
There's an easy way to figure this out
It's stated that sonic gets faster and stronger every game
So just look at whos the most recent villain
Chaos Control isn't mandatory to beat Metal Overlord. You don't even take damage if you dont use it
I disagree. I think Metal Overlord would lose to Perfect Chaos. Brace yourself for an essay where I try to explain why.
While Metal Overlord is an imposing figure with impressive machinery and well-rounded durability, he's severely lacking both offense and speed. Sure, he has copied Sonic's, Shadow's, and even Chaos's data to make himself more powerful and gain more abilities, all he does with those abilities is fire missiles, throw debris, flail his tail about, spray fire, and temporarily freeze time with chaos control. And all that bulk he tacked on made him slow and clunky.
Considering Perfect Chaos is immune to fire and could intercept any missiles and debris with his own water tentacles, energy shots, waterspouts, and breath laser, the only attacking strategy Metal Overlord has is to use chaos control to freeze time long enough to rush Chaos down with a body tackle and strike his brain directly.
But chaos control isn't a power exclusive to Shadow or Black Doom or Metal Sonic. As long as the user knows about the emerald's power and has access to it they can use chaos control, or at least be immune to its influence from other users. Case in point: Sonic using that ability with Tails's duped emerald, and the Biolizard using some of the chaos energy it inherited from the eclipse cannon's energy reserves (which were powered by the emeralds). Chaos himself is a descendant of the the Ancient Ones, a Chao that mutated back into an Ancient One, and they were the original holders of the emeralds and have more experience with them than possibly anyone. Considering Perfect Chaos is powered by seven emeralds just like the Biolizard was I think it's fair to assume Chaos at minimum has immunity to chaos control, and at best could use it as well.
The only reason Chaos hasn't been shown to use chaos control because Chaos was written first; nothing a little retconning can't fix, and it's not as out of the question as you might think. If you had a chance to play the GameCube version of Sonic Adventure 2, you might recall in the 1v1 mode that Chaos 0 had the strongest time freeze ability of any character you could select.
Perfect Chaos may be a glass cannon, but he's a glass cannon with raw power that rivals the Four Titans of the Starfall Islands, Giganto in particular. Metal Overlord's well-rounded durability is also still vulnerable around his naval region where even Shadow can beat up for free, and his body is mostly made up of parts he assembled from blowing up other robots. so the breath laser attack from Chaos that destroyed an Egg Carrier could absolutely total him.
Metal Overlord may be an intelligent robot, but all the data he copied only made him an inferior version of everything he copied on top of being a robot designed by Eggman. Lest I remind you that Eggman has a solid track record of overstating the power of his own defective creations.
Frankly, I think Metal Overlord has a better chance of beating Perfect Chaos as *drum roll please* ... Metal Sonic.
Metal Sonic's original design may not be super strong but at least he was as fast, if not faster, than Sonic. That's because his body was engineered to be light yet durable, aerodynamic, and simple in what it does. With a fighter jet turbine for a torso and less circuitry for his supercomputer to manage Metal Sonic is a hypersonic torpedo by himself, which is just the right kind of offense he needs to be. They may cancel out each other's chaos control, but Metal Sonic's base speed would put him leaps and bounds above Chaos.
Yes, I truly believe that Metal Sonic would be far more agile, precise, and efficient as... himself.
You do realize one can use chaos control, has basically no weakness and the other one has a weakness and cant yse chaos control?
@ Metal Overlord has a weak spot: the green orb on his naval. He’s also only as strong as the material that was taken from the robots he destroyed. He’s more durable than a brain in a puddle, but not that durable.
And while there’s not enough evidence to suggest Chaos knows Chaos control, it’s not out of the question that he could perform it. In his perfect form he already has the chaos emerald’s energy and he has his own hyrdrokenetic version of time freeze, and if Sonic can perform chaos control off a duped emerald after seeing Shadow perform it at least twice, Chaos probably could figure it out.
Also, Metal Overlord has shoddy offense.
“Metal Overlord is lacking offensive and speed.”
- Perfect Chaos lacks these qualities too. How does he damage Metal? They couldn’t even damage SA1 Super Sonic.
“Perfect Chaos has raw power that rivals the four Titans of the Starfall Islands”
- No lol. Perfect Chaos gets stomped by Modern Sonic. How’s he at all relevant to Titans that stomp Modern Sonic?
@ Did you forget perfect Chaos’s Godzilla laser breath attack? It destroyed an Egg Carrier in one shot.
@ Woooow, so impressive 🤣 The Titans were fighting The End, which casually shat out a laser & blew up a planet.
Please also Metal Overlord vs Neo Devil Doom
Metal Overlord stomps so hard and it's not even close 💀
Sonic defeats chaos in generations in base.
Shadow defeats overlord with a power up.
They both didnt struggle.
I think we know who takes this.
Metal overlord literally would've beaten sonic if tails and knuckles weren't there and plot itself is about friendship and teamwork so team sonic won.
2nd time requesting you to please do a review vid on Death Battle’s Bowser vs Eggman when it comes out? 🙏🏾
Chaos control is optional shadow didnt need it but it doesnt matter since metal overlord can also use it too
Except current Metal Sonic scales to base Sonic, he easily beats Perfect Chaos with no issue
Generations Perfect Chaos is the same as Adventure 1
Neo has Sonic biodatas, meaning he gets stronger every seconds as well
Metal Overlord could only be beaten by Doom Shadow
Also, how is Perfect Chaos immortal, he lost
Anyway as i said, current Metal Sonic (due to IDW) scale to current Sonic (Master Overlord doesnt count, he only had 3 biodatas, Sonic, Eggman and Shadow, as Overlord had 10 biodatas, a modern Overlord would rivalise 3 super forms, and even better considering he would be able to copy Silver or the new characters of today)
Metal Overlord was beat by Base Shadow, not Doom.
@Sonic-hq9zz proof ?
He literally had the doom powers
Also, even then its past not future Overlord
@ I didn’t know surfing gave you an amp…
@Sonic-hq9zz they all do, since they give him access to those black spears
@@metalsonic4.1therobothedge24 He didn’t use the Doom Spears. All he was doing was surfing. And even then, it disappears when he attacks Metal.
Metal overlord has chaos control you seemed to leave it out
You’re just completely false about the Erazor Dynn mention, that guide picture you show is literally only talking about the Astral Plane seen during the Night Palace level NOT every individual story or every location. Get your facts right.
@@darkchaos3474 in the intro cutscene alone, we see Erazor has control of the Night Palace.
With the night palace containing an infinite amount of space meaning a universal realm inside that palace
Especially as Erazor in the ifrit boss had absorbed half the Arabian nights, with Sonic at half power beating him.
Regardless which way you spin it, sonic at 50% would still be scaling to Uni and having Infinite levels of speed.
@ Bruh, Night Palace is literally just a palace floating in the sky. The Astral Plane Sonic gets sent to during the level isn’t within the palace, it’s a completely separate realm and Sonic only runs through small portions of it NOT the entirety of it so it’s not an infinite speed thing.
Erazor also absorbs power from the words and stories of the Arabian Nights book to grow in power and he destroyed half of the stories and was going to let the Ifrit Golem burn away the rest. If base Sonic was anywhere close to universal in a “weakened” state then he would’ve easily beat the planetary Dark Gaia but he didn’t so base Sonic’s power is too inconsistent to begin with. Even without Secret Rings, Sonic fights Emerl in Sonic Battle whom had all 7 Emeralds absorbed, +solar system levels of power absorbed, + all the data of Sonic & co and he still can’t beat the planetary Dark Gaia so
How is perfect chaos faster at all? You do realize when you use chaos control with shadow on metal overlord, he is the ONLY boss who ignores it and attacks through it? Did you even play the game?
Infinite vs mephilis was a wash but what about infinite vs Solaris give mephilis the run back in his ultimate form and let’s see the results
Bruh what kinda match up is this
I mean base metal sonic scales to classic sonic but Overlord is still very powerful.
couldn’t overlord just freeze him?
As many here has already stated, Metal Sonic slaps. Unlike your previous video depicting why YOU believe The End can defeat Solaris, despite the community and even Ian Flynn confirming the opposite, these are the times where newer villains, mainly final bosses, are always more powerful than the previous to up the stake. With that said, Metal Overlord is all around stronger and better than Perfect Chaos. It literally has all of the data from everyone and even Chaos itself. To put it it simpler terms:
One required a single Super character while the other required several Super characters.
Metal Sonic wins with no contest.
Do Knuckles vs Shadow
Perfect chaos slams, all metal does is absorb biodata, that's nothing compared to the actual power of chaos emeralds even the negative power should be enough to rip metal apart
Also sonic gets stronger every second as it's stated in sonic forces
Got to rename this series this character appears later on therefore he wins. Sonic power creeps like Dragon Ball.
Current shadow vs silver
Also the fact that neo metal sonic is able to beat sonic and knuckles a sonic who is able to beat Solaris
Logicaly cuz metal overlord could stay a fair fight agains 3 superforms and perfect chaos got wrected by adventure supersonic.
Very interesting topic, I just wished this whole "isn't even close!" thing would stop lol
Plus metal overlord copy chaos data so he know what chaos weak spot is
Blaze vs Knuckles
Knuckles.Hyper Knuckles is enough for her
@@alptugraakan7490 Bro has to give Knux an unfair advantage
3:05 that’s factually incorrect sonic isn’t going fast through time restoring the white space in some generations. Every time he entered a location in white space he is redoing those events that took place in those games. He’s not going fast. He’s reliving those moments.
It wouldn't be hard to believe he IS Going that fast given he routinely breaks the speed equation with his sheer speed
Tails literally said that he was.
No it's factually correct, Sonic was stated to be restoring space time when he is running through the old levels.....
No it was stated numerous times with his speed through official sources even updated ones....
no sonic is going that fast tails explicitly says that you saying he didn't is head cannon and unless anything says otherwise
Nah chaos would win