Tool Setter vs Touch Probe - What's The Difference? - Onefinity Elite CNC - Masso - BitSetter
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- In my previous videos, I received lots of questions and comments about the tool setter and how it differs from the touch probe. I made this video in an effort to explain and demonstrate the differences. Hopefully you will gain a better understanding and be able to make better decisions about your needs for your CNC.
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Thanks!
Thank you so much!!
Good explanation on the deference. Before I had a tool setter I forgot to probe Z once or twice after a bit change and the bit did not survive the mistake.
Been there and done that. Ruined a $60 Groovee Jenny. 😖
Great Video, but I am still just a bit confused. Here is what I've done:
Situation #1 - Surfaced back side of project
1) New Job - loaded a file.
2) Inserted a 1/4" EM and did the X-Y-Z probe.
3) Pressed rewind and Cycle Start.
4) Masso asks me to change the tool
5) I changed tool to a surfacing bit, pressed Cycle Start again and the machine moved to Zero the bit on the Tool Setter, then proceeded to begin to carve. HOWEVER, the Z was now too high and it air carved.
6) I stopped the carve, then I used the X-Y-Z Touch Probe and did a probe for Z only. Hit rewind then Cycle Start and it worked fine. After running the surfacing file, I was done with this side of the project.
Situation #2 - remounted project on opposite side to begin carving using multiple individually saved files.
1) Loaded the first file.
2) Inserted a 1/4" EM and did the X-Y-Z probe - this is the bit I am using for the 1st file as well.
3) Pressed rewind and Cycle Start.
4) Masso asks me to change the tool
5)Since I already had the tool installed, I just pressed Cycle Start again and the machine moved to Zero the bit on the Tool Setter, then proceeded to begin to carve. HOWEVER, again the Z was again too high and it air carved.
6) I stopped the carve, then, like before, I used the X-Y-Z Touch Probe and did a probe for Z. Hit Rewind the Cycle Start it worked fine.
7) Upon finish of this file, I loaded the next file, changed the bit, then hit Cycle Start. Masso asked me to change the Tool. Since I had already changed the tool, I pressed Cycle Start again, and the machine went to the Tool Setter, then proceeded to carve correctly.
Obviously, I am missing something on the initial file for the first bit.
If I’m understanding correctly, you saved the tool paths for side 1, separately. Then did the same thing for side 2.
If that’s the case, try saving the multiple tool paths for side 1 into ONE FILE. Then do the same for side 2.
By saving your tool paths separately you’re missing out on one of the best benefits of having a tool setter, which is the ability to save all of your tool paths into one file. Try this and I think you’ll find that your problem is solved.
By saving the tool paths into one file, you only have to probe your Z with the probe block one time. The tool setter takes over from there. Let me know if this helps you.
Excellent video. Very informational. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Very similar to the 2010 screen set for MACH 3
Thanks for watching!
Great Job! This video answered a lot of questions.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Very good explanation of the tool setter. One thing, I notice that you are not using the magnet with the probe block. Masso just released the upgrade V5.05. Would like to see you install and verify.
Great idea! Right now I’m making a few signs to help pay the bills but I’ll do the Masso upgrade video pretty soon. Thanks!
Thank you very much for these videos! They’ve been super helpful in working with the machine.
What are your thoughts on sticking with the paper method to set your Z alongside having the tool setter??
Thank you! And thanks for watching!
The paper method works fine, I sometimes even use it when I feel the need to double check the touch probe results. Basically, I think I trust the paper more than the probe in some situations, but that’s likely because I started out using paper with my first CNC several years ago.
@@MitchellsWoodwork I do see that in a lot of workers’ comments on sticking to what works best for them. Thanks for the feedback!
@@julianlebron562 you're very welcome!
Great videos!! Can you do a new video on the Masso link? Set up and how you get your first transfer? KEEP the videos coming
Thanks! Check the video link below for Masso Link setup info. If you still need help, just let me know, and I'll do what I can to help you get yours up and running.
Go to 14:15 for the Masso Link info.
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Question - in this video you have the tool setter top height at the top of the waste board, but in other videos (your and others) the tool setter is on top of the waste board. I plan on buying the pwncnc metal working one like you upgraded too so does that have to be on top of the waste board or can you just have the touch piece on top like you do in this video? Thanks so much!
As always great video. One thing can you clarify on is tool numbering. To use the tool setter all your bits need to be in the masso correct? And then in vcarve you need to match the numbers. Example. 1/4 EM is tool number 4 in vcarve tool database and tool number 4 in the masso.
Thanks! Actually, I covered tool numbering recently in the “tool error” video linked below. But yes, the tool numbers in VCarve Pro and Masso must match exactly.
Getting A Tool Error In Your Masso Controller?? Check This First!! - Onefinity Elite CNC
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@@MitchellsWoodwork the one video I did not watch. Thanks
I can see where a tool setter is convenient. Do I need a tool setter, or can I just enter the tool length offset by hand?
You can operate without a tool setter and manually reset your Z after each tool change. You can also live without a smart phone, or internet. But why would you??
Can you make a video on batching out items using Masso / Tool Setter / Touch probe? I layout the pieces but wanting to avoid homing after every item is machined.
If you have watched all of my videos and have your machine set up like mine, after securing your new workpiece just tap “go to work origin” > rewind > cycle start. No need to rehome or reset the Z (as long as your workpieces are exactly the same thickness). But if yours is not set up like mine (edited post processor) it would be impossible for me to explain how you could do it with your particular setup.
However, I am currently making a video that has a small about of repeatable cuts, but it’s basically just as I described above.
If you don't have a z setter, when prompted to change out the tool to continue the program, can you do that with the regular tool probe in z? will it know it has to set z or is that all manual...I tried it a few times and it just goes haywire into the wood. I just ended up using height collars and setting them to the same height. it sucks.
@@robstewart3627 if you’re NOT using a tool setter you can only save, load and run one tool path at a time. You will have to use your touch probe to set the tool Z height each time you change tools.
The #1 advantage of using a tool setter is that you save ALL your tool paths to one file and run them together. The tool setter automatically measures the offset of each tool used in the project. All you have to do is change the tool when prompted, then hit “cycle start”.
Does the tool setter have to be level with the spoil board?
@@therealrez nope. You can even set it below the surface of the spoilboard like I did in this video so it won’t be in the way during resurfacing. My new ATC / toolsetter is about 3 1/2” above the spoilboard and works fine. It may be helpful for you to watch some of my newer videos that show my current setup. Check out my “PwnCNC ATC Installation Series” playlist.
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Probably a stupid question. How do you zero the tool setter to the top of the waste board? I'm setting up my CNC and have both.
I have a couple other tool setter videos you may want to check out.
th-cam.com/play/PLqRrCnqsxc205ni9bmqukEaVEn2pkQF9M.html&si=_3IcWTITVNcLRi1C
Question about how the spindle moves over to above the tool setter to change the bit? When I run the G-code I made in VCarve Pro, when it comes to changing the bit, it just stops above the end of the tool path it just finished.
Hi Neil, great question. Here's the answer:
In Masso > F1 > Auto Tool Zero > checkmark "auto tool zero" > enter the X & Y position of your toolsetter > checkmark "enable" on both X & Y positions.
I have my Z safe distance to tool setter set at -0.50"
My Tool zero feedrate is: 31.77165 ipm. I can't remember where that particular number came from, seems to me that just an even 31" or 32" would've been a lot easier. If you need any additional help just contact me through my contact info in my bio here on TH-cam. Hope this helps!
Does the tool setter only work with the Masso?
I’ve sent a text to Steve at DashMade, the maker of the tool setter I use. He’ll chime in shortly.
This one is designed for Masso only. People on the Onefinity forums have written code for tool setters for the other controller, but I do not have experience doing that.
Now you need the PwnCNC ATC 🙂
All in due time… 😁
@@MitchellsWoodwork Hope very soon for you 🙂
Just wondering what you did to not need the magnet set on the bit when probing?
Great question! I covered that in the “Wedding Guest Book Plaque” video a few weeks ago.
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How did you program your machine to come to the front of the spoil board after it finishes each carve for a tool change?
You’ll have to edit your post processor. See the video linked below:
How To Edit Your Post Processor in VCarve Pro for Onefinity Elite CNC & Masso
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When you load a file with multiple tools does the CNC automatically stop and wait for the tool change or do you have to load each individual tool file?
You save all tool paths into one file. Send the one file to your controller (mine is Masso), then the controller will automatically pause for each tool change.
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