How incredibly heart breaking. All of the men, women who were of an age of accountability when this destruction occurred have been in torment. I am so thankful for all the men and women who are working in Christs church and in all the missionaries around the entire world.
Sean, awesome work! I spent some time with your dad one day while I was doing media relations for Promise Keepers events in the early 2000s, and I helped him get to various reporter interviews. But I never forgot one of his awesome statements from the stage: “Rules without relationship leads to rebellion.“ I thought of that often and even quoted it to people over the last 20 years as I raised my three kids in the Lord. Now it’s exciting to see you shining the McDowell ministry torch brightly to another generation, the digital generation. Exciting!
@@SeanMcDowell por favor ponga sus videos con subtítulos en español, llegaría a mucha gente Latinoaméricana q buscamos estos materiales y solo están en Inglés, sería muy bueno si le pone subtítulos en español, muchas gracias
YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO ALL THE BIBLICAL FINDING THAT RON WYATT FOUND. PLEASE LISTEN TO THE ARK FILES. IT WAS RON WYATT THAT FOUND SODOM AND GAMORAH. HE ALSO FOUND NOAH'S ARK. MOUNT SINAI WHERE GOD CAME DOWN WHICH IS I SAUDI ARABIA. HE ALSO FOUND THE ARK OF THE COVENANT. HE FOUND ALL THESE BIBLICAL FINDING BUT WERE NOT SPOKEN OFF BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION. HE WAS A SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST
Fascinating. Sodom and Gomorrah is one of the bible's best examples of narcissism and it's just rewards. How Amazing God's Grace, that we could receive mercy, in place of justice.
Yes, I like Joel……but he’s wrong on the location. It would be good to see a discussion between Joel Kramer and Steven Collins about the discovery of Sodom. However people who disagree with Dr. Collin’s do NOT have the evidence……Biblical AND scientific mind you……that Collin’s has.
Dear @gjjk84 Excellent idea !! McDowell !!! Do you hear this ?? I was very surprised that Kramer would take this position on this issue. My respect fro Kramer has dropped . I suspect Dr. Collins would eat Kramer's arguments whole !
Me too (on wishing for a Collins/Kramer public dialogue), and especially since both are apparently Bible believers. I do understand that both work in archaeology and both have a 'stake' in their preferred sties for the ancient cities. I also am aware that archaeological 'disagreements' are often fraught with professional tension and personal emotional investment, probably based in large part upon sincere study of God's Word but where the interpretations differ (e.g., just watch how emotionally charged and uncivil a discussion of, say, young Earth creationism vs. old Earth creationism can be!), but then also upon professional investement of time and money as well. If you listen to both of these gentlemen they are both reading/following the SAME biblical text to the best of their abilities and yet are coming to different conclusions about the site(s). I see no particular evidence that either of them is harboring sinister motives behind their Bible exegesis or is engaging in it selectively on purpose so as to mislead. Obviously, both of them can't LOGICALLY be correct at the same time--Sodom can't be in two different/separate locations if it's a single city--but perhaps this is a case of careful and sincere exegesis having missed something nonetheless--i.e., it means an honest mistake has been been made somewhere--on someone's part(?) After all, Old Testament scholarship, which deals primarily with the TEXT of Scripture, is a specialized study at least somewhat apart from archaeology and both of these gentlemen are archaeology specialists rather than Bible scholars per se. Perhaps one of them knows the Hebrew text better, or has consulted more/better Old Testament scholars, or has put together more of the relevant Bible passages, than the other one despite BOTH of them having put forth a sincere and careful effort. Whether or not both gentlemen would CONSENT to a public discussion--formal debates are notorious for heightening tension and partisanship is another question. Some people don't relish the 'sports arena' atmosphere of debating, which I do undersand. Probably both of them stand to lose, reputationwise, by such an encounter. Perhaps one or both of them stand to lose funding support for their ongoing archaeological work too. These are complicating but real-life factors which may well enter into the picture here.
I'm such a nerd 🤓 for these types of interviews. It makes me believe in the Bible even more ✝️ I did subscribe to his channel. Thank you for the interview!
For sure! It's so obvious I feel like the last couple years has revealed the results of God giving "them" over to a depraved (or reprobate) mind. Society's ultimate division. 🙏 God bless
We collected pieces of tephra (lava cooled while airborne) from a location on the SE side of the Dead Sea near Bab edh-Dhra, right off hwy 50. I have a piece sitting on my desk. Our prof pointed out the remains of an ancient gate and spoke of tombs that had been burned from the top-down. (Top-down destruction of tombs is abnormal. While raiders will burn a city, they will plunder any valuables from a tomb and won't bother burning graves) Good stuff!
Wrong location. The bible tells exactly where Sodom is located and it isn't at the South end of the Dead Sea. Genesis 13.18-13 clearly state that Sodom is East of Bethel and Ai. Lot left from Bethel and Ai to Sodom. He surely didn't go south to the Dead Sea. Ask any Israeli where the Jordan river ends and they will all tell you that the Jordan ends when it enters the Dead Sea. Sodom may have fought a war south of the Jordan but Sodom is East of Bethel and Ai. See my notes above.
@@nahshon9998Mine says: "Your elder sister is Samaria, who dwells with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister who dwells to the south of you is Sodom and her daughters." - Ezekiel 16:46 (NKJV) And those verses are speaking to Jerusalem. Sounds like a location to me. What does your study Bible say for that verse if it doesn't say that?
Jude1:7as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire
Someone said, “Evidence will not give a person faith, but evidence will strengthen a person’s faith”. ❤️🙏🏻 Thank you for strengthening my faith. I think all of this is so interesting. God is amazing! I can’t believe I get to witness so much of the Bible coming to life before my eyes! Praise Jesus! Isn’t Lot’s wife still found as a pillar of salt even today. I always wondered how God did that to her? But He is God! And He can do anything!
I think it can anď will give non believers what they need, depending on the individual and their amount of pride and fear! Not all of them but, I believe that God preserved the evidence to win souls just before His return! Otherwise, why would He preserved them ya know!?
It depends on the person. I used to be an agnostic who became a Christian strictly because of evidence. Don't think that knowing evidence for Christianity is useless. You can convert some people just with evidence and with others evidence is helpful but it is not all that is needed.
Watch Ron Wyatt Discoveries video to see Sodom and Gomorrah and his other findings like the crossing of the Red Sea, Noah's Ark, that big rock that Moses hit with his staff and God made water come forth to water the Israelites. That rock is split in two. And showed erosion at its base from the large amount of water that flowed out of it. He also found the ark of the covenant and the crucifixion site of Jesus. The ark is under that site.
I've been to Bab edh-Dhra and it was fascinating (back in the 80's). Part of my archeological work as a grad student at Vanguard - 2 seasons at Tel Dor in Israel and then lots of middle east travel - Jordan, Egypt, Israel. Thanks for this amazing presentation, I would like to use in my CWV class if that's ok.
What about Ron Wyatt I saw a whole video where he was traveling through and they found a lot of them a lot of those sulfur balls and they found a lot of a lot of symmetrical shapes that look like they could have been buildings made out of mud that had been eroded you know so I'm like I saw this a long time ago on one of his videos
Ron Wyatt doesn't necessarily have the best reputation. I've seen some of his videos where he declared certain information that hasn't debunked. Ron Wyatt was an anesthesiological nurse not an archaeologist.
Dear @davidnajor7536 That is Wyatt's Imagination at work ! If he or someone who has the credentials to get a permit, wanted to provide some evidence fro these claims then it is NECESSARY to excavate in order to have proof that there are buildings. An excavation would provide evidence, IF there is any thing there. No one has been willing to excavate the area because there is no reason to believe anything is there and no one is wiling to fund and excavation that has such poor potential for any success in finding anything. Besides that is NOT the area that the Scriptures say Sodom and the cities of the kikkar are located. Wyatt used his imagination and ignored using the Scriptures.
@Sr. Sean McDowell your interview questioning technique is amazing. I appreciate how you prepare in advance and help lead us through a quantity of information. The fact you respond in context to the interviewees comments and content is refreshing as well. God Bless and thank you.
Yeah, I like the way that he gives full attention and time to allow a guest to explain the views, without an antagonistic debate. Unfortunately, we don't a full examination of the debate, but it does help a little.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
I have been studying both perspectives so I am familiar with both theories. I really was not very impress with the "evidence" presented by Kramer. There appears to be many problems with his contentions and that made his perspective weaker that the other major theory. 1. I was very surprised that the first verses he went to for evidence on the location of Sodom (& company) was Gen. 14. He never mentioned Gen. 13 which appears to be the most definitive explanation of the location of Sodom. That is a huge negative point and is very hard to overlook his omission. For him to adequately defend his view it is absolutely necessary to him to address Gen. 13 and explain why that is not referring to the Jordan Valley and harmonize Gen. 13 adequately with his view. This was so significant that I gave Kramer a negative 5 at failing to address this point. 2. Ezek 16:46. Kramer says this verse places Sodom to the south of Jerusalem. However if that was the intent of the verse then why does the text fail to used the Hebrew word for "South" in the text. The Hebrew word for "south" is "דָּרוֹם" (darom). It's exclusive meaning according to Strongs Concordance and Brown-Driver-Briggs is solely "south", with no ambiguity and is used that way all 17 times it is used in the OT. However the Hebrew word used in the verse Kramer referred to in Ezek. 16:46 is "יָמִין" (yamin). According to both Strong's Concordance and Brown-Driver-Briggs the primary meaning fro this word is "right hand". It can mean the direction of the right hand and Brown-Driver-Briggs says it could mean "south, because when facing east the right hand is toward the south. Of course if this the case. then we are making assumptions. Maybe the intent is looking towards Samaria, in which case the right hand would be pointing east directly towards Tell el-Hammam and would be consistent with the description in Gen. 13. If the intent of the verse was to give specific directions, one would expect the Hebrew word for "south" to be used. The word "north " in this verse is the Hebrew word for left. There is some ambiguity in this verse. We interpret ambiguity with clear verses. like in Gen 13 where there is little ambiguity. Negative point here. 3. Kramer seems to consider these sulfur balls as some indicator that the site was Sodom, because the Scriptures mention brimstone in the destruction. Most people are aware that Ron Wyatt has claimed that He found Sodom on the western side of the Dead Sea (Wyatt's Sodom). One of the major lines of evidence he claims is the presence of sulfur balls. If Kramer understands the presence of sulfur balls as an indicator of the location of Sodom, then does he think some of the cities of the plain may have been on the other side of the Dead Sea, or that God destroyed that area by fire and brimstone also. Geologists have confirmed the presence of these sulfur balls are a naturally occurring geological feature of this fault zone area around the Dead Sea Rift. They are associated with the naturally occurring sulfur springs in the area. That is why they are found on both sides of the Dead Sea. Sulfur has a very low combustion temperature. If the heat from this destruction event was very intense, the sulfur would probably burn and turn into Sulfur dioxide (as gas) and drift away in the winds. The presence of sulfur may be an indicator that this area is not Sodom. Kramer's claim that the presence of sulfur is an indicator of the location of Sodom is not a strong argument. Negative point here. There are other point to be made, but I have said enough. No, I have not made any definitive conclusions on the location of Sodom, but I am not impressed with Kramer's arguments. Be Well, DZ
Joel Kramer shows other locations than Ron. Ron thought, that Gomorrah would be found right and left of the parking place under Masada, the destroyed cities Zoar, Sodom, Gomorrah, Adama and Zebojim being in one line on the western banks of the dead sea. Those are the areas., where You still find the sulfur balls. I believe, that Ron found the right places, but i'm still wondering if God transformed it so completely that there was only a boiling mess with brimstone and fire. Then the valleys are just wadis cut into the ashes by desert rainfalls. Or if HE wants us to get more proof, that this once were cities. But i don't think, that "normal" excavations would be best to gain proof. I believe core drilling or jabbing a staff with a camera in front into the walls would be best to investigate the area. You don't have a high risk something collapsing in on You, You do not destroy much and You need a camera anyway to document the proof... Some months ago i did one horizontal "core drill". 2m far, ca. 2cm diameter (big enough to put a camera and lamp into) to find out if there may be still hollows to find. I could not spend more time there, did not find a chamber, only all the same gypsum ash material as on the outside. So the quest for truth is still on. If we could find a proof that there was a city, it might help somebody to leave his way to hell. Right before my drilling i was in Jerusalem and spoke with people whom the police withheld from coming to their homes for hours - because the police had to protect a "pride parade". The first word the Bible uses to describe the sins of S.& G. is "Pride"!
But Wyatt did not consult the Biblical Scriptures to see where the Bible says Sodom and the cities of the Kikkar was located. The result there is the Biblical location of Sodom based on the Bible. and there is Wyatt's Sodom, base on Wyatt's speculations and imagination. I chose to follow the Biblical location, instead of Wyatt's Sodom. DZ
I'm not saying he is cirrect, but his wife goes in great detail about why they think they are on the west side. Some of them have windows and doorways. It's short sighted to respond like that. You obviously don't know the whole theory. Regardless of which sight is correct.
@@theblackflag2020 Hello ! I have studied this issue of the location of Sodom quite a bit, and enough to say that the site Wyatt proposed is contrary to the site the Scriptures describe. I am also aware that the site Wyatt is proposing (the area off the southwestern coast of the Dead Sea) has been subjected to archaeological surveys and professionals have determined that there is nothing of archaeological significance where Wyatt thinks Sodom was located. Even though there are some traditional sites in the area (Lot's Wife and Mt. Sodom), these are strictly natural geological features and do not have any significance in determining the actual location of Sodom. As you said Wyatt saw the geological structures on the west side of the Dead Sea and his imagination lead him to think he saw windows and doorways in these structures, so he jumps to the unmerited conclusion that these structures are ruins of the buildings of Sodom. Unlike real professional archaeologists, Wyatt (who has a poor understanding of the discipline of archaeology) NEVER called in professional geologists and geological consultants (or any consultants of any kind). He relied on his training as a nurse and his imagination to make these interpretations. Geologists have completely dismissed the idea that these structures are man made.They are without a doubt natural geological structures. These same kinds of geological structures are found all around the Dead Sea - we know the buildings of Sodom did not surround the Dead Sea ! Wyatt also never conducted any excavations which would have provided verifiable evidence as to whether these structures were man-made or natural. If Wyatt and/or associates wanted to provide any real evidence for such assertions, then it is NECESSARY to conduct excavations and if there are any human structures there, there WILL BE EVIDENCE ! Until evidence is found, there is no reason to believe Wyatt found anything other than a vivid imagination. Only gullible, naive people will believe Wyatt's imagination, of Wyatt's Sodom, without any real tangible verifiable evidence. A major consideration that that students of the Scriptures will be aware of is that The Scriptures provide us with the general location of Sodom and the cities of the plain (Kikkar), and Wyatt's Sodom does NOT fit the description of the location given in the Scriptures. Wyatt and his followers are generally not people who study the Scriptures deeply and in a scholarly manner. This is clear in Wyatt's many Scriptural blunders. He likes to chose and use certain Scriptures that support his ideas, at the exclusion of of the significant points of Scripture that question Wyatt's interpretations, and his followers are never the wiser. Bottom line. - Wyatt should have used the Scriptures to find the location of Sodom, not his imagination - But Wyatt ignored what the Scriptures said about the issue. Wyatt also ignores established protocols of archaeological field work, the use of specialists to help understand the issues accurately and the importance of record keeping and professional verification. Why people would consider Wyatt has anything creditable to say Is a bit of a mystery, until one hears him speak. He is a master of storytelling and that is how he is able to appeal to those, who don't have the mind of the Bereans. Be Well, DZ.
Hi, Joel and Sean brother's in CHRIST JESUS. Joel, can you explain from Gen. 13:10 Jordan valley to your assumption south of the deadsea presence and Zoar of the travel of LOT after leaving Abram In Ezechiel 16:46 we are standing in Jerusalem looking south: left Sanaria, right sodom, correct?
Several years back the history channel did a special on Sodom and Gomorrah. I had to turn it off because the first several minutes were spent attacking the Bible. This is interesting and I wish the history channel had just presented what was found and let the viewers come to their own conclusions. At the point of turning it off the only explanation given was maybe a gas pocket was released and exploded when it filled the cities.
I am curious about what Joel makes of the sulfur balls found over on the west side of the Dead Sea. Are these the sites that Ron Wyatt filmed decades ago, where he claimed that the geological structures where the sulfur balls were found where actual remnants of the cities? If those aren’t cities, then how do you explain the sulfur balls on the west side of the Dead Sea?
@@bear7098 I don’t know that much about Ron Wyatt. I guess I am skeptical about his claims to have found Noah’s Ark. And I’m not sure that the coral deposits found on the bottom of the Gulf of Aqaba are truly chariot wheels. He may have been a fraudster. But the films that Wyatt shot of himself picking up sulfur balls below the mountain of Masada are genuine; as this new video by Joel Kramer also is. I’ve been a Christian for over 45 years. I’ve come to realize that even if I’m searching in a garbage dump, sometimes it’s possible to find precious things. And so I continue to seek, knock, and ask.
Secular consensus concludes that the sulfur balls match the sulfur of Old Faithful at Yellowstone during Cambrian explosions, then forgotten about in Gobekli teppi stone age as foragers. However, someone uploaded the Kurdish rebel kidnapping news compilations to further expose Ron Wyatt' entire East Turkey Expedition and vandalism on the Anchor stone ⚓. The OG fake news definitely had better style back in them days . 📰
He does, but these guys are talking about a different area from the place Rob found. The real area has nothing growing like these guys speak of. The whole area is just dead.
@@Xenosaurian , Hello ! Well, that site (the area off the south western coast of the Dead Sea) has a tradition of speculation of the presence of Sodom. That is why you will find a geological structure around that location called "Lot's Wife" and another called "Mount Sodom". These sites have been known long before Ron Wyatt was born. They also have been rejected as a plausible site for the location of Sodom long before Wyatt was born. Wyatt was pulled in by the traditional hype. The area has been subject to archaeological survey by professionals (before Wyatt's birth) and nothing was found relating to the actual city of Sodom. The area is considered archaeologically insignificant in relation to the idea that it was the location of Sodom and that is why no one has any interest in conducting any excavations in the area. Excavations are expensive - why would anyone want to spend that kind of money when nothing was found in the archaeological survey. Wyatt found Sulfur balls in the area. These sulfur balls are a naturally occurring geological phenomenon resulting from the many sulfur springs in the area. The area is a major fault system called the "Dead Sea Transform" where the African Plate and the Arabian Plate are pulling apart. This is why the Dead Sea is so far below Sea Level. That also explains why sulfur and seismic activity is plentiful in the area. Wyatt did not consult any professional geologists to help him with his understanding of the area. I suppose he thought his training as a nurse qualified him to make these geological interpretations (LOL). Real archaeologists use specialists and consultants. NOTE: the area (Bab Edh-Dhra) being spoken of in the video, where some sulfur balls are found, is located across the Dead Sea from where Wyatt's Sodom is at. There are sulfur balls on each side of the Dead Sea. This just proves that sulfur balls are present all around the Dead Sea. There are sulfur springs on both sides of the Dead Sea because of the geological activity in the area of the Dead Sea.! Wyatt also saw geological structures that lead his imagination to interpret them as ruins of buildings. He was quick to jump to the unmerited conclusion that these structures were man made buildings of Sodom. Geologists have completely dismissed this idea. These same kinds of geological structures are found all around the Dead Sea - we know the buildings of Sodom did not surround the Dead Sea ! If Wyatt and/or associates wanted to provide any real evidence for such assertions, then it is NECESSARY to conduct excavations and if there are any human structures there, there WILL BE EVIDENCE ! Until evidence is found, there is no reason to believe Wyatt found anything other than a vivid imagination. Only gullible, naive people will believe Wyatt's imagination, of Wyatt's Sodom, without any real tangible verifiable evidence, other than Wyatt's imaginations and descriptions of his mind. A major consideration that that students of the Scriptures will be aware of is that The Scriptures provide us with the general location of Sodom and the cities of the plain (Kikkar), and Wyatt's Sodom does NOT fit the description of the location given in the Scriptures. Wyatt and his followers area generally not people who study the Scriptures deeply and in a scholarly manner. This is clear in Wyatt's many Scriptural blunders. He likes to chose and use certain Scriptures that support his ideas at the exclusion of of the significant point of Scripture, and his followers are never the wiser. Bottom line. - Wyatt should have used the Scriptures to find Sodom, not his imagination - But Wyatt ignored what the Scriptures said about the issue. Be Well, DZ
@@Silverheart1956 Be careful tearing other people down. If you are supporting the Lord's plan for your life, then you should never tear down other people.
I believe Joel Kramer is honest and sincere. But the evidence of Tall el-Hammam being Sodom is extremely more convincing to me. There needs to be an open and honest discussion between Joel and Dr. Steven Collins of Veritas International University. Dr. Collins excavated Tall el-Hammam over a 16 dig season. His fusion of the Biblical text and the location and scientific evidence is rock solid. I encourage Joel and Dr. Collins to discuss.
Bab-Edh-dhra and Numeira don't seem to match up imho. The reason (in my own words) is as follows: Genesis 10:19 describes a viewpoint on the south east of the Dead Sea (directly east of Gaza) looking northwards towards Sodom, Gomorrah etc. as far as Laish (Dan) in the far north a the foot of Mt.Hermon. An additional clue for the location of cities of the plain on the east of the Jordan is found in one of the Ebla tablets, which lists Damascus immediately before the five(six) cities of the plain, just as Genesis 14 mentions Abram chasing the invading kings on their way home north past Damascus, after initially confronting them at Dan (on the east bank of the Jordan). The eastern Jordan plain matches this description slightly better, being east of the Jordan and in greater proximity to Damascus. A more compelling argument however is that the inheritance of Lot in the mountains which he fled to are Ammon and Moab, whose mutual border lies south east of Jericho. The location of Bab-Edh-dhra and Numeira instead are located further south in the territory of Edom (Esau), the people of Abraham’s grandson that occupied this area not long after, south of Moab. Thus the East-Jordan-plain or ‘northern hypothesis’ for the cities of the plain seems more plausible compared to the traditional sites of Bab-edh-dhra and Numeira. The only convincing evidence for the southern hypothesis is a 6th century AD byzantine map which places Zoar in the circular and admittedly very ‘kikkar’(disc)-like peninsula on the south east side of the dead sea. However this association may have arisen erroneously prior to or during the Byzantine period just as it has arisen today from the same presuppositions concerning a circular salted and desolated plain. Additionally, evidence for a catastrophic airburst event in the eastern Jordan plain exists dated to the Middle Bronze Age (MBII) period, whilst during this same period Bab-edh-dhra and Numeira had both been long abandoned, and although evidence exists for their sudden destruction and burning, there exists no matching evidence for any cosmic event that would match the description of fire from the sky as described in Genesis 19. Therefore the best conclusion regarding these two sites is destruction by an unrelated natural disaster. An additional scriptural mention which seems to suggest a location for Sodom south of Jerusalem and which did cause me a degree of doubt is Ezekiel 16:46-56. However Ezekiel is very poetic with a lot of flair, and the context of Sodom's mention is this: Your mother was a Hittite (north), your father an Amorite (south), your elder sister is Samaria (North) and your younger sister is Sodom (south). All that can be certain is that Sodom is south of Samaria, and this doesn't necessitate being south of Jerusalem. The verse is just picking the nearest centres of evil in the north and south respectively and is not a geographical survey. Additionally the southern-most Amorites were located in the eastern Jordan plain, and there is no evidence of Amorite inhabitation further south of this, where instead the tribes of Edom dwelt.
So, took a look at some of his videos, while some of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah may be preserving cultural memory, the two sites he talks about, Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira, weren't destroyed at the same time and the latest levels of destruction have been dated to a few hundred years earlier than pretty much any chronology of the patriarchal period. Looking forward to the video though and hope it discusses what we do/don't know archaelogically with some nuance.
Cool. We do discuss dating and he gives his reasons for why he thinks they do line up together with the biblical chronology. You can watch and be the judge if you're convinced!
@@SeanMcDowell Thanks for the response and his take on the C14 dating and pottery alignment is pretty interesting. I think my major issue is that Schaub (the one who he references as taking over the excavations after Lobb) explicitly states that the major destruction layer of Bab edh-Dhra occurred roughly 2350 BC followed by a later resettlement in an unwalled village. He also dates the demise of Numeira to 2600 BC. Neither the re-occupation, the time-period gap, nor the Early Bronze dating seem to fit the Middle Bronze story of Abraham. I'll dig around some more, but would love to see any papers that specify a later dating or deal with the resettlement issue -- the main source I'm looking at right now is "Crossing Jordan: North American Contributions to the Archaeology of Jordan". Edit: Just pulled the field report and it looks like Rast and Shaub also dated the pottery of Strata II (the layer destroyed by fire) at Bab edh-Dhra to EB III (to roughly the same time frame as the C14 date gave), so even if later pottery from the re-settled Strata I matches a Middle Bronze date, the layer with destruction seems from both the account of pottery and C14 dating to be too early.
If anyone is interested in seeing what Sodom and Gomorrah burning would have looked like at night due to the sulfur, do a TH-cam search for blue volcano Indonesia.
Not sure heat would have any effect on the rate of decay of C14 isotopes, but it is less accurate over long periods of time because the margin of error increases. There is something called the Marine reservoir effect where carbon sources from ocean (e.g. a marine diet) are older and can give misleading results. The biggest problem though is the selection of samples which is open to human error! It certainly isn't the magic bullet a lot of people would have you believe
Yeah, I watched a presentation from Dr Collins a while back that seemed convincing. I feel like Collins and Kramer both give compelling reasons for their arguments, but locate Sodom on opposite sides of the Dead Sea. It would be helpful to see them debate this, or at least interact with each other's arguments.
@@JohnVandivier Hi John I believe he said that he didn’t believe Dr. Collins site at Tall Al Hammam was Sodom for an couple of reasons. I think they’re at about year 18 in the dig up there. Quite fascinating. Dr. Collins has several presentations and lots of artifacts. He’s fun to watch.
I visited these 2 cities in 1999 when I visited Masada. Lol. Everyone in Israel knows where they are. Ron Wyatt brought them to the world's attention 30 years ago. Cmon guys.
Ron Wyatt was good on some things, and horrible on others..... He didn't "find them", he heard what the locals had said. Such as the Holy Mountain in Saudi.
@@ivyrose779 Hundreds of thousands have visited Sodom and Gomorrah. They aren't hard to find. There are plenty of witnesses. I went there in 1999. Sulphur balls and all. You can clearly see them also from standing on top of Masada!
Is there any chance of putting these places on a map. I type in Numeira and it comes up in that location but here are people clearly living there. I'm guessing the excavation site is elsewhere.
This makes a lot of sense. Lot only had from before dawn to the rising of the sun to make it to Zoar. Zoar as determined by the Madaba Mosiac map as being on the south-east shore of the upper basin of the Dead Sea. It was only 3-5 miles away from Sodom. Lot later left Zoar and went to live in a cave in the hills. He produced a son with his daughter. That son was named Moab. Moab is the country where Zoar is on the Madaba Map.
Can you bring on Eric Metaxas? He has an account in his most recent book that has evidence that these cities were northeast of the Dead Sea where there is a layer of black melted rock that had to be at temperatures that could not be produced on earth at the time.
One thing I find striking every time I go back to the Bible is that they never really get magnitude across. From a plain reading, you'd think there was one Ark of the Covenant, one Noahs Ark, one Sodom and Gomorrah, Jesus was crucified on one cross, poked with one spear, etc. Little did we know there are dozens to hundreds of each in each story. Really changes your perspective when you worship, glory to God! 🙌🙌🙌
@@winniecash1654 Noah had a fleet of Arcs for all the Arks that have been found. Multidimensional Jesus was simultaneously crucified on thousands of crosses for all the cross wood that was found. It's a joke at expense of the fact that every relic that Christians find important has been "found" at least dozens of times. Sodom and Gomorrah have been "found" many times too. P.s. "found" = someone claimed that some random nothing was the relic
Joel Kramer shows other locations than Ron. Ron thought, that Gomorrah would be found right and left of the parking place under Masada, the destroyed cities Zoar, Sodom, Gomorrah, Adama and Zebojim being in one line on the western banks of the dead sea. Those are the areas., where You still find the sulfur balls. I believe, that Ron found the right places, but i'm still wondering if God transformed it so completely that there was only a boiling mess with brimstone and fire. Then the valleys are just wadis cut into the ashes by desert rainfalls. Or if HE wants us to get more proof, that this once were cities. But i don't think, that "normal" excavations would be best to gain proof. I believe core drilling or jabbing a staff with a camera in front into the walls would be best to investigate the area. You don't have a high risk something collapsing in on You, You do not destroy much and You need a camera anyway to document the proof... Some months ago i did one horizontal "core drill". 2m far, ca. 2cm diameter (big enough to put a camera and lamp into) to find out if there may be still hollows to find. I could not spend more time there, did not find a chamber, only all the same gypsum ash material as on the outside. So the quest for truth is still on. If we could find a proof that there was a city, it might help somebody to leave his way to hell. Right before my drilling i was in Jerusalem and spoke with people whom the police withheld from coming to their homes for hours - because the police had to protect a "pride parade". The first word the Bible uses to describe the sins of S.& G. is "Pride"!
But Wyatt did not consult the Biblical Scriptures to see where the Bible says Sodom and the cities of the Kikkar was located. The result there is the Biblical location of Sodom based on the Bible. and there is Wyatt's Sodom, base on Wyatt's speculations and imagination. I chose to follow the Biblical location, instead of Wyatt's Sodom. DZ
Dear @jlouutube65 But Wyatt did not consult the Biblical Scriptures to see where the Bible says Sodom and the cities of the Kikkar was located. The result there is the Biblical location of Sodom based on the Bible. and there is Wyatt's Sodom, base on Wyatt's speculations and imagination. I chose to follow the Biblical location, instead of Wyatt's Sodom. DZ
Sean, I love that you also interviewed Dr Steven Collins concerning discovery of Sodom at Tall el-Hammam. That video description links to this video as an alternative. How about a link here to the Collins interview as an alternative? I love Joel’s videos showing biblical archaeological sites(holy sepulcher, David’s tomb, Gezer standing stones). I believe he misses on this one.
According to the Bible the Dead Sea was the location of the battle Abraham fought to get Lot back. It, according to the Bible, was a plain with tar pits. I wonder if it's the place the burning brimstone broke lose from. I wonder what the bottom of the Dead Sea is like.
I remember in Jack Cuozzo's discussion of the unreliability of Carbon 14 dating in his book 'Buried Alive' and how some paleontologists were led astray when the remains of gunshot victim was found among a deeper strata layer. Well, the victim had been tossed down a well with a hole (or 2) in the cranium and the C14 data was just wrong as well as the speculation surrounding the hole in the head (if I remember the account correctly)
Joel Kramer mentioned C-14 dating was not reliable. But surely some dates of some carefully chosen objects found in carefully examined relatively undisturbed strata provide more reliable dates than others. There are also additional ways to date some objects. What are the results so far? What detailed attempts have been made to obtain such dates?
There was someone way back in the late 80's or early 90's who reported on an area that had sulfur holes all over the place, and he filmed it and I watched it. He also claimed to have found Sodom and Gomorrah. He also reported to have found Egyptian chariots on the sea bottom of the Red Sea and I think I remember watching that video clip as well. But over the decades I thought it odd that these claims were not repeated nor well known.
Ok Wyatt may have been more fascinated by the west side of the Dead Sea, in all the videos I've seen of his... he did say he found more around the the South East side of the Dead Sea also. He had his idea of where the 5 different cities were. Some Doctor of something claimed Sodom and Gamorra and the cities of the plains were in the NORTH. But while Wyatt was a more common sensical archeologist and not professional did find something on the West side of the Dead Sea. Forget Wyatt for a second... people have gone TO that side of the Dead Sea and found sulfur balls in the ash over there. Videos can be found all over TH-cam of people going where Wyatt went!!. Wyatt also mentioned finding skeletons and cemeteries too. So what if we need to put ALL these puzzles together from Wyatt, Dr Collins, and even this video. It's just a shame the 'scholars' who don't believe the Bible nearly won't believe the very obvious archeological findings that verify the Bible.
In the time of Jesus, and also Josephus time, Sodom and Gomarrah were easely to see, as a warming for the People to listen carefully to God. And so these places are still very good visable. It on the West site of the dead see. The sulfer is not easy to pick up, like in your video. Its strong in the rest of the burnt remains!!!
@@biblicaltheologyexegesisan9024 Peace unto you from the Lord , Mercy from the Father and Fellowship of the Holy Spirit. Homosexual or not, apostle John 3:3-3:5 is the standard.
I have studied this subject in detail for many years as an armchair archaeologist reading books. I have never been there. One argument against Bab ed Drah and Numeira not being Sodom and Gomorrah is that some have stated that the two ancient walled cities were destroyed is up to 250 years apart. What do you say about the wide range of dates? I believe that Joel Kramer is right about the Five Cities of the Plain, and has explained them all to my complete satisfaction, as matching the Biblical record, with no argument. It is absolutely NOT Tell el Hammam, as many have suggested without any real convincing evidence, and since it is a tell mound and not a burned city that was never built on again.
the Greek New Testament doesn't have "end of the world", for when God's wrath comes on the world. It has "end of the Age". He must be getting end of the world from the KJV where they translate Age as world.
It seems like the KJV has a significant amount of mistranslations and not inconsequential ones. I don’t understand why so many people insist that it is the “right” Bible outside of that’s just what they’ve been told their entire lives.
Joel Kramer shows a different location than Wyatt. Ron thought, that Gomorrah would be found right and left of the parking place under Masada, the destroyed cities Zoar, Sodom, Gomorrah, Adama and Zebojim being in one line on the western banks of the dead sea. Those are the areas., where You still find the sulfur balls. I believe, that Ron found the right places, but i'm still wondering if God transformed it so completely that there was only a boiling mess with brimstone and fire. Then the valleys are just wadis cut into the ashes by desert rainfalls. Or if HE wants us to get more proof, that this once were cities. But i don't think, that "normal" excavations would be best to gain proof. I believe core drilling or jabbing a staff with a camera in front into the walls would be best to investigate the area. You don't have a high risk something collapsing in on You, You do not destroy much and You need a camera anyway to document the proof... Some months ago i did one horizontal "core drill". 2m far, ca. 2cm diameter (big enough to put a camera and lamp into) to find out if there may be still hollows to find. I could not spend more time there, did not find a chamber, only all the same gypsum ash material as on the outside. So the quest for truth is still on. If we could find a proof that there was a city, it might help somebody to leave his way to hell. Right before my drilling i was in Jerusalem and spoke with people whom the police withheld from coming to their homes for hours - because the police had to protect a "pride parade". The first word the Bible uses to describe the sins of S.& G. is "Pride"!
the inly times that spelling matters is when you seek to convey the verb to see or the noun the sea, and do not wish to confuse the two, but you missed that class presumably, ty red sea
Joel what do you think of Dr Steven Collins work he used the Bible as a road map and found what he believes is the Biblical site and his evidence seems so complete?
In reality Dr. Collins has been excavating Sodom for about a decade. Tall el Hamman is now accepted as Sodom of the bible by the archeological community consensus.
@@edwardtbabinski I tromped around Gomorrah in 2011...there really is no "soil" just compacted ash. You'd prob have to dig deep to get to earth that was not exposed to high temps...also , I recovered some sulfur balls from Gomorrah and had it tested with FTIR Spectroscopy.....95% pure sulfur.
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Back in the 1930s, a scholar named foxwell Albright had already determined that the pottery typology located in that area outdated Abraham by almost a thousand years. Secondly, In the biblical narrative a number of cities were destroyed, This area also has several cities but they are separated in destruction by 250 years. Hardly at the same time as stated in the biblical narrative. Number three. There are no sulfur balls in this area, those are located on the westside of the Dead Sea closer to Masada, not the East where he's claiming that they came from, or making it seem?... Also on the east side there is an Ancient graveyard with over 500,000 burials. I wonder who buried them after those cities were completely destroyed? Fourth, he makes it seem that the cemetery was destroyed or burned, not true. Only one or two tombs were burned. These are called charnal houses, kind of like today's mausoleums. So in my opinion this is poor archeology poor academics and just sensationalism. Just use Wikipedia and look up Sodom Gomorrah and see what it tells you or one of the cities that claim to be Sodom or Gomorrah. Bab ehd Dhra I think that's how you spell it... Hope this helps. Thanks for asking. Have a nice day.
Are you saying the sulfur balls were a kind of napalm? Like a “mud” ball of sulfur, held together with crude oil (?) and raining down like a cluster munition? Also, the Russian natural explosion and has from earthquakes with gas could explain general destruction. How did these natural events nail 4 cities and spared 1? It looks like targeting to me.
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Matthew 24:22 King James Bible And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” King James Version (KJV) Matthew 24:26-36 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately* after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other*. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till* all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matthew 24:36-44 King James Version 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 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Am fascinated by this story. Yes I agree that burning Sulfur balls likely devastated the two cities and they evidence is in the Sulfur balls still present in the grounds close by. But my question is where did they come from. I understand that sulfur balls come from Volcanic activity so this should also be looked at and researched. Also, was it volcanic activity that ignited the sulfur balls as the tradition states is was "raining brimstone". So this means they were likely ejected at the same time ?.
Who told you that"burning Sulfur balls likely devastated the two cities", and why do you believe them, oh credulous little kinderlander child? burning Sulfur balls my arse! You kinderlander-Americans, are as credulous as imbecile children I think because that is how you are programmed or conditioned r wound up. burning sulphur balls indeed. Complete balls that is. Obvious nonsense that not even a retarded child would believe- only the kinderlander, the children of the peoples of the world and as credulous as children.
@@paulrichards6894 I wouldn't say that. There is solid archaeological evidence for various stories in the book of kings and chronicles as well as people of the OT. Check out the top ten list of OT related archaeological discoveries by the associates of biblical research.
Hey guys, read about Tall el Hammam in Jordan on the Jordan river. The destruction fits exactly to what you claim. A very high heat event that has been shown to be an asteroid destruction of a city right where the bible says Sodom was.
@@vhawk1951klBy the evidence. Right stuff, right place, right time. "Jewbook" What a childish thing to write. Are you 6 years old? You act like you are.
on satellite images you can still make out a riverbed connecting the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba, but it looks like something must have stopped up the river stopping the Jordan from flowing all the way to the Gulf
The key too life is too love your neighbor as yourself. But above all to love the Lord with all your heart and soul.
But you lost it eh titch?
La clé de la vie c'est d'aimer ton prochain comme toi-même. Mais par dessus tout d'aimer le Seigneur de tout ton cœur et de toute ton âme.
How incredibly heart breaking. All of the men, women who were of an age of accountability when this destruction occurred have been in torment.
I am so thankful for all the men and women who are working in Christs church and in all the missionaries around the entire world.
Sean, awesome work! I spent some time with your dad one day while I was doing media relations for Promise Keepers events in the early 2000s, and I helped him get to various reporter interviews. But I never forgot one of his awesome statements from the stage: “Rules without relationship leads to rebellion.“ I thought of that often and even quoted it to people over the last 20 years as I raised my three kids in the Lord. Now it’s exciting to see you shining the McDowell ministry torch brightly to another generation, the digital generation. Exciting!
Thanks Steve! I love that line.
@@SeanMcDowell por favor ponga sus videos con subtítulos en español, llegaría a mucha gente Latinoaméricana q buscamos estos materiales y solo están en Inglés, sería muy bueno si le pone subtítulos en español, muchas gracias
YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO ALL THE BIBLICAL FINDING THAT RON WYATT FOUND. PLEASE LISTEN TO THE ARK FILES. IT WAS RON WYATT THAT FOUND SODOM AND GAMORAH. HE ALSO FOUND NOAH'S ARK. MOUNT SINAI WHERE GOD CAME DOWN WHICH IS I SAUDI ARABIA. HE ALSO FOUND THE ARK OF THE COVENANT. HE FOUND ALL THESE BIBLICAL FINDING BUT WERE NOT SPOKEN OFF BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION. HE WAS A SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST
Thank you for having Joel on, he is always so interesting! Love it!
Fascinating. Sodom and Gomorrah is one of the bible's best examples of narcissism and it's just rewards. How Amazing God's Grace, that we could receive mercy, in place of justice.
It's a wonderfully funny story, by it's only a story, "just rewards" according to whose idea of just?*Of_course* its a myth.
The evidence found exactly fits the biblical story of Sodom.
I just subscribed to Expedition Bible - can't wait to explore the videos! This was so interesting, thanks guys
Absolutely fascinating and awesome conversation, so interesting! Thank you!
I wish there could be a conversation between Kramer and Dr. Collins.
Yes, I like Joel……but he’s wrong on the location.
It would be good to see a discussion between Joel Kramer and Steven Collins about the discovery of Sodom.
However people who disagree with Dr. Collin’s do NOT have the evidence……Biblical AND scientific mind you……that Collin’s has.
Dear @gjjk84
Excellent idea !! McDowell !!! Do you hear this ??
I was very surprised that Kramer would take this position on this issue. My respect fro Kramer has dropped .
I suspect Dr. Collins would eat Kramer's arguments whole !
Me too (on wishing for a Collins/Kramer public dialogue), and especially since both are apparently Bible believers. I do understand that both work in archaeology and both have a 'stake' in their preferred sties for the ancient cities. I also am aware that archaeological 'disagreements' are often fraught with professional tension and personal emotional investment, probably based in large part upon sincere study of God's Word but where the interpretations differ (e.g., just watch how emotionally charged and uncivil a discussion of, say, young Earth creationism vs. old Earth creationism can be!), but then also upon professional investement of time and money as well. If you listen to both of these gentlemen they are both reading/following the SAME biblical text to the best of their abilities and yet are coming to different conclusions about the site(s).
I see no particular evidence that either of them is harboring sinister motives behind their Bible exegesis or is engaging in it selectively on purpose so as to mislead. Obviously, both of them can't LOGICALLY be correct at the same time--Sodom can't be in two different/separate locations if it's a single city--but perhaps this is a case of careful and sincere exegesis having missed something nonetheless--i.e., it means an honest mistake has been been made somewhere--on someone's part(?) After all, Old Testament scholarship, which deals primarily with the TEXT of Scripture, is a specialized study at least somewhat apart from archaeology and both of these gentlemen are archaeology specialists rather than Bible scholars per se.
Perhaps one of them knows the Hebrew text better, or has consulted more/better Old Testament scholars, or has put together more of the relevant Bible passages, than the other one despite BOTH of them having put forth a sincere and careful effort. Whether or not both gentlemen would CONSENT to a public discussion--formal debates are notorious for heightening tension and partisanship is another question. Some people don't relish the 'sports arena' atmosphere of debating, which I do undersand. Probably both of them stand to lose, reputationwise, by such an encounter. Perhaps one or both of them stand to lose funding support for their ongoing archaeological work too. These are complicating but real-life factors which may well enter into the picture here.
I'm such a nerd 🤓 for these types of interviews. It makes me believe in the Bible even more ✝️ I did subscribe to his channel. Thank you for the interview!
Wait until we get to meet Him!
@@jason3775 amen to 🙌
For sure! It's so obvious I feel like the last couple years has revealed the results of God giving "them" over to a depraved (or reprobate) mind. Society's ultimate division. 🙏 God bless
Are you a blood Jew or a religious Jew?
We collected pieces of tephra (lava cooled while airborne) from a location on the SE side of the Dead Sea near Bab edh-Dhra, right off hwy 50. I have a piece sitting on my desk.
Our prof pointed out the remains of an ancient gate and spoke of tombs that had been burned from the top-down. (Top-down destruction of tombs is abnormal. While raiders will burn a city, they will plunder any valuables from a tomb and won't bother burning graves)
Good stuff!
That must be quite the souvenir
Wrong location. The bible tells exactly where Sodom is located and it isn't at the South end of the Dead Sea. Genesis 13.18-13 clearly state that Sodom is East of Bethel and Ai. Lot left from Bethel and Ai to Sodom. He surely didn't go south to the Dead Sea.
Ask any Israeli where the Jordan river ends and they will all tell you that the Jordan ends when it enters the Dead Sea. Sodom may have fought a war south of the Jordan but Sodom is East of Bethel and Ai.
See my notes above.
@@nahshon9998 the Lord declared in Ezekiel 16:46 that Sodom is Southern of Jerusalem
@@phamnguyet8737 My study Bible says nothing about Sodom's location in Ez. 16.46.
@@nahshon9998Mine says: "Your elder sister is Samaria, who dwells with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister who dwells to the south of you is Sodom and her daughters." - Ezekiel 16:46 (NKJV)
And those verses are speaking to Jerusalem.
Sounds like a location to me. What does your study Bible say for that verse if it doesn't say that?
Thank you for your work both of you
Awesome 🤩
Just got Joel’s book. Great stuff with pics and illustrations. 🙏🏼✝️
What is his book called?
@@jamesmaybury7452
The title is, “Where God came down”
@@shipwright6122 thanks,
Not so available in UK, but I’ll see if I can get it.
Jude1:7as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire
Yeah they also ignored the only true religion to the Father 📜💦 meanwhile pandemic orphans and widows 📈📈📉📉 still skyrocketing ..
@@skellingtonmeteoryballoon Yeah, the "vaccine" is wiping people out. Shame.
@@IISeverusll they're breakthrough cases, it does sound kinda better
I don’t even want to imagine what “strange flesh” meant. 🤢
Someone said, “Evidence will not give a person faith, but evidence will strengthen a person’s faith”. ❤️🙏🏻 Thank you for strengthening my faith. I think all of this is so interesting. God is amazing! I can’t believe I get to witness so much of the Bible coming to life before my eyes! Praise Jesus! Isn’t Lot’s wife still found as a pillar of salt even today. I always wondered how God did that to her? But He is God! And He can do anything!
I think it can anď will give non believers what they need, depending on the individual and their amount of pride and fear! Not all of them but, I believe that God preserved the evidence to win souls just before His return! Otherwise, why would He preserved them ya know!?
@davefrimml1518 I agree. God is slow to anger. He is giving time for everybody to choose him not Satan.
It depends on the person. I used to be an agnostic who became a Christian strictly because of evidence. Don't think that knowing evidence for Christianity is useless. You can convert some people just with evidence and with others evidence is helpful but it is not all that is needed.
Ron Wyatt found Sodom & Gomorrah. And there are sulpfur balls buried into the building relics at the southern end of that Dead Sea
Watch Ron Wyatt Discoveries video to see Sodom and Gomorrah and his other findings like the crossing of the Red Sea, Noah's Ark, that big rock that Moses hit with his staff and God made water come forth to water the Israelites. That rock is split in two. And showed erosion at its base from the large amount of water that flowed out of it. He also found the ark of the covenant and the crucifixion site of Jesus. The ark is under that site.
I've been to Bab edh-Dhra and it was fascinating (back in the 80's). Part of my archeological work as a grad student at Vanguard - 2 seasons at Tel Dor in Israel and then lots of middle east travel - Jordan, Egypt, Israel. Thanks for this amazing presentation, I would like to use in my CWV class if that's ok.
What about Ron Wyatt I saw a whole video where he was traveling through and they found a lot of them a lot of those sulfur balls and they found a lot of a lot of symmetrical shapes that look like they could have been buildings made out of mud that had been eroded you know so I'm like I saw this a long time ago on one of his videos
Ron Wyatt doesn't necessarily have the best reputation. I've seen some of his videos where he declared certain information that hasn't debunked. Ron Wyatt was an anesthesiological nurse not an archaeologist.
@@francinec2941 so what
@@francinec2941That didn't stop him from finding Noah's Ark.
Dear @davidnajor7536
That is Wyatt's Imagination at work !
If he or someone who has the credentials to get a permit, wanted to provide some evidence fro these claims then it is NECESSARY to excavate in order to have proof that there are buildings. An excavation would provide evidence, IF there is any thing there.
No one has been willing to excavate the area because there is no reason to believe anything is there and no one is wiling to fund and excavation that has such poor potential for any success in finding anything.
Besides that is NOT the area that the Scriptures say Sodom and the cities of the kikkar are located. Wyatt used his imagination and ignored using the Scriptures.
@@francinec2941 Ron Wyatt only has a bad reputation in the eyes of haters, and not true supporters of the Lord.
Great video, Sean. Also, it was great seeing you up at Hume Lake. My daughter, Carley, loved the short video you made for her.
Thanks Steve!
@Sr. Sean McDowell your interview questioning technique is amazing. I appreciate how you prepare in advance and help lead us through a quantity of information. The fact you respond in context to the interviewees comments and content is refreshing as well. God Bless and thank you.
Yeah, I like the way that he gives full attention and time to allow a guest to explain the views, without an antagonistic debate. Unfortunately, we don't a full examination of the debate, but it does help a little.
AMAZING, AMAZING, AMAZING. Great Video.
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Kramer is one of the best Christian archaeologists in you tube
Kramer est l'un des meilleurs archéologues chrétiens sur You tubes.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
I have been studying both perspectives so I am familiar with both theories. I really was not very impress with the "evidence" presented by Kramer. There appears to be many problems with his contentions and that made his perspective weaker that the other major theory.
1. I was very surprised that the first verses he went to for evidence on the location of Sodom (& company) was Gen. 14. He never mentioned Gen. 13 which appears to be the most definitive explanation of the location of Sodom. That is a huge negative point and is very hard to overlook his omission. For him to adequately defend his view it is absolutely necessary to him to address Gen. 13 and explain why that is not referring to the Jordan Valley and harmonize Gen. 13 adequately with his view.
This was so significant that I gave Kramer a negative 5 at failing to address this point.
2. Ezek 16:46. Kramer says this verse places Sodom to the south of Jerusalem. However if that was the intent of the verse then why does the text fail to used the Hebrew word for "South" in the text. The Hebrew word for "south" is "דָּרוֹם" (darom). It's exclusive meaning according to Strongs Concordance and Brown-Driver-Briggs is solely "south", with no ambiguity and is used that way all 17 times it is used in the OT.
However the Hebrew word used in the verse Kramer referred to in Ezek. 16:46 is "יָמִין" (yamin). According to both Strong's Concordance and Brown-Driver-Briggs the primary meaning fro this word is "right hand". It can mean the direction of the right hand and Brown-Driver-Briggs says it could mean "south, because when facing east the right hand is toward the south.
Of course if this the case. then we are making assumptions. Maybe the intent is looking towards Samaria, in which case the right hand would be pointing east directly towards Tell el-Hammam and would be consistent with the description in Gen. 13. If the intent of the verse was to give specific directions, one would expect the Hebrew word for "south" to be used. The word "north " in this verse is the Hebrew word for left. There is some ambiguity in this verse. We interpret ambiguity with clear verses. like in Gen 13 where there is little ambiguity.
Negative point here.
3. Kramer seems to consider these sulfur balls as some indicator that the site was Sodom, because the Scriptures mention brimstone in the destruction. Most people are aware that Ron Wyatt has claimed that He found Sodom on the western side of the Dead Sea (Wyatt's Sodom). One of the major lines of evidence he claims is the presence of sulfur balls. If Kramer understands the presence of sulfur balls as an indicator of the location of Sodom, then does he think some of the cities of the plain may have been on the other side of the Dead Sea, or that God destroyed that area by fire and brimstone also.
Geologists have confirmed the presence of these sulfur balls are a naturally occurring geological feature of this fault zone area around the Dead Sea Rift. They are associated with the naturally occurring sulfur springs in the area. That is why they are found on both sides of the Dead Sea.
Sulfur has a very low combustion temperature. If the heat from this destruction event was very intense, the sulfur would probably burn and turn into Sulfur dioxide (as gas) and drift away in the winds. The presence of sulfur may be an indicator that this area is not Sodom.
Kramer's claim that the presence of sulfur is an indicator of the location of Sodom is not a strong argument. Negative point here.
There are other point to be made, but I have said enough.
No, I have not made any definitive conclusions on the location of Sodom, but I am not impressed with Kramer's arguments.
Be Well, DZ
Didnt josephus mention that the remnants and remains of soddom and Gomorrah were Still visible in his day ?
I am extremely interested in the answer to this question
Olll
Yes he did
Still visible today
@@Dogsday198 what?
I would love to see you get Mr. Kramer on a panel with Steve Collins. I think they'd have a great discussion on Sodom.
I'll place another vote on that idea !!!
So what do yall say about the sights Ron Wyatt found on the west side.?
Joel Kramer shows other locations than Ron. Ron thought, that Gomorrah would be found right and left of the parking place under Masada, the destroyed cities Zoar, Sodom, Gomorrah, Adama and Zebojim being in one line on the western banks of the dead sea.
Those are the areas., where You still find the sulfur balls. I believe, that Ron found the right places, but i'm still wondering if God transformed it so completely that there was only a boiling mess with brimstone and fire. Then the valleys are just wadis cut into the ashes by desert rainfalls.
Or if HE wants us to get more proof, that this once were cities. But i don't think, that "normal" excavations would be best to gain proof. I believe core drilling or jabbing a staff with a camera in front into the walls would be best to investigate the area. You don't have a high risk something collapsing in on You, You do not destroy much and You need a camera anyway to document the proof...
Some months ago i did one horizontal "core drill". 2m far, ca. 2cm diameter (big enough to put a camera and lamp into) to find out if there may be still hollows to find. I could not spend more time there, did not find a chamber, only all the same gypsum ash material as on the outside. So the quest for truth is still on. If we could find a proof that there was a city, it might help somebody to leave his way to hell. Right before my drilling i was in Jerusalem and spoke with people whom the police withheld from coming to their homes for hours - because the police had to protect a "pride parade". The first word the Bible uses to describe the sins of S.& G. is "Pride"!
Nobody ever responds when asked about Ron.... The truth is out there
But Wyatt did not consult the Biblical Scriptures to see where the Bible says Sodom and the cities of the Kikkar was located.
The result there is the Biblical location of Sodom based on the Bible. and
there is Wyatt's Sodom, base on Wyatt's speculations and imagination.
I chose to follow the Biblical location, instead of Wyatt's Sodom. DZ
I'm not saying he is cirrect, but his wife goes in great detail about why they think they are on the west side. Some of them have windows and doorways. It's short sighted to respond like that. You obviously don't know the whole theory. Regardless of which sight is correct.
@@theblackflag2020 Hello !
I have studied this issue of the location of Sodom quite a bit, and enough to say that the site Wyatt proposed is contrary to the site the Scriptures describe.
I am also aware that the site Wyatt is proposing (the area off the southwestern coast of the Dead Sea) has been subjected to archaeological surveys and professionals have determined that there is nothing of archaeological significance where Wyatt thinks Sodom was located. Even though there are some traditional sites in the area (Lot's Wife and Mt. Sodom), these are strictly natural geological features and do not have any significance in determining the actual location of Sodom.
As you said Wyatt saw the geological structures on the west side of the Dead Sea and his imagination lead him to think he saw windows and doorways in these structures, so he jumps to the unmerited conclusion that these structures are ruins of the buildings of Sodom.
Unlike real professional archaeologists, Wyatt (who has a poor understanding of the discipline of archaeology) NEVER called in professional geologists and geological consultants (or any consultants of any kind). He relied on his training as a nurse and his imagination to make these interpretations.
Geologists have completely dismissed the idea that these structures are man made.They are without a doubt natural geological structures. These same kinds of geological structures are found all around the Dead Sea - we know the buildings of Sodom did not surround the Dead Sea !
Wyatt also never conducted any excavations which would have provided verifiable evidence as to whether these structures were man-made or natural. If Wyatt and/or associates wanted to provide any real evidence for such assertions, then it is NECESSARY to conduct excavations and if there are any human structures there, there WILL BE EVIDENCE !
Until evidence is found, there is no reason to believe Wyatt found anything other than a vivid imagination. Only gullible, naive people will believe Wyatt's imagination, of Wyatt's Sodom, without any real tangible verifiable evidence.
A major consideration that that students of the Scriptures will be aware of is that The Scriptures provide us with the general location of Sodom and the cities of the plain (Kikkar), and Wyatt's Sodom does NOT fit the description of the location given in the Scriptures. Wyatt and his followers are generally not people who study the Scriptures deeply and in a scholarly manner.
This is clear in Wyatt's many Scriptural blunders. He likes to chose and use certain Scriptures that support his ideas, at the exclusion of of the significant points of Scripture that question Wyatt's interpretations, and his followers are never the wiser.
Bottom line. - Wyatt should have used the Scriptures to find the location of Sodom, not his imagination - But Wyatt ignored what the Scriptures said about the issue.
Wyatt also ignores established protocols of archaeological field work, the use of specialists to help understand the issues accurately and the importance of record keeping and professional verification.
Why people would consider Wyatt has anything creditable to say Is a bit of a mystery, until one hears him speak. He is a master of storytelling and that is how he is able to appeal to those, who don't have the mind of the Bereans.
Be Well, DZ.
Hi, Joel and Sean brother's in CHRIST JESUS.
Joel, can you explain from Gen. 13:10 Jordan valley to your assumption south of the deadsea presence and Zoar of the travel of LOT after leaving Abram
In Ezechiel 16:46 we are standing in Jerusalem looking south: left Sanaria, right sodom, correct?
Several years back the history channel did a special on Sodom and Gomorrah. I had to turn it off because the first several minutes were spent attacking the Bible. This is interesting and I wish the history channel had just presented what was found and let the viewers come to their own conclusions. At the point of turning it off the only explanation given was maybe a gas pocket was released and exploded when it filled the cities.
The History Channel lies about everything they report. Pure junk disinformation.
In what ways did they attack it?
@@ivyrose779 bot.
@@ivyrose779 Basically they tried to say if you believe the biblical account then you are a fool.
Discovery and history channels are useless for Christian topics. I wont watch them.
Expedition Bible fan .... watching his channel getting the class time along with amazing footage of archeological biblical history 👍💯🇮🇱
I am curious about what Joel makes of the sulfur balls found over on the west side of the Dead Sea. Are these the sites that Ron Wyatt filmed decades ago, where he claimed that the geological structures where the sulfur balls were found where actual remnants of the cities?
If those aren’t cities, then how do you explain the sulfur balls on the west side of the Dead Sea?
That’s a great question, Chuck. I’m not sure about Ron’s claim, but will ask Joel.
Wasn't Wyatt exposed as a fraudster?
@@bear7098 I don’t know that much about Ron Wyatt. I guess I am skeptical about his claims to have found Noah’s Ark. And I’m not sure that the coral deposits found on the bottom of the Gulf of Aqaba are truly chariot wheels. He may have been a fraudster.
But the films that Wyatt shot of himself picking up sulfur balls below the mountain of Masada are genuine; as this new video by Joel Kramer also is. I’ve been a Christian for over 45 years. I’ve come to realize that even if I’m searching in a garbage dump, sometimes it’s possible to find precious things. And so I continue to seek, knock, and ask.
Check out Ron Wyatt discovery here:
th-cam.com/video/tZKBHyIBrHA/w-d-xo.html
Secular consensus concludes that the sulfur balls match the sulfur of Old Faithful at Yellowstone during Cambrian explosions, then forgotten about in Gobekli teppi stone age as foragers. However, someone uploaded the Kurdish rebel kidnapping news compilations to further expose Ron Wyatt' entire East Turkey Expedition and vandalism on the Anchor stone ⚓.
The OG fake news definitely had better style back in them days . 📰
Joel is great :)
Love him or hate him, Ron Wyatt deserves a bit of credit on this subject.
He does, but these guys are talking about a different area from the place Rob found.
The real area has nothing growing like these guys speak of. The whole area is just dead.
Why on earth would Wyatt deserve any credit ??
@@Silverheart1956 Because he was the first to popularize these sites and the sulphur balls around there as Sodom and Gomorrah.
@@Xenosaurian , Hello !
Well, that site (the area off the south western coast of the Dead Sea) has a tradition of speculation of the presence of Sodom.
That is why you will find a geological structure around that location called "Lot's Wife" and another called "Mount Sodom". These sites have been known long before Ron Wyatt was born. They also have been rejected as a plausible site for the location of Sodom long before Wyatt was born. Wyatt was pulled in by the traditional hype.
The area has been subject to archaeological survey by professionals (before Wyatt's birth) and nothing was found relating to the actual city of Sodom. The area is considered archaeologically insignificant in relation to the idea that it was the location of Sodom and that is why no one has any interest in conducting any excavations in the area. Excavations are expensive - why would anyone want to spend that kind of money when nothing was found in the archaeological survey.
Wyatt found Sulfur balls in the area. These sulfur balls are a naturally occurring geological phenomenon resulting from the many sulfur springs in the area. The area is a major fault system called the "Dead Sea Transform" where the African Plate and the Arabian Plate are pulling apart. This is why the Dead Sea is so far below Sea Level. That also explains why sulfur and seismic activity is plentiful in the area.
Wyatt did not consult any professional geologists to help him with his understanding of the area. I suppose he thought his training as a nurse qualified him to make these geological interpretations (LOL). Real archaeologists use specialists and consultants.
NOTE: the area (Bab Edh-Dhra) being spoken of in the video, where some sulfur balls are found, is located across the Dead Sea from where Wyatt's Sodom is at. There are sulfur balls on each side of the Dead Sea. This just proves that sulfur balls are present all around the Dead Sea. There are sulfur springs on both sides of the Dead Sea because of the geological activity in the area of the Dead Sea.!
Wyatt also saw geological structures that lead his imagination to interpret them as ruins of buildings. He was quick to jump to the unmerited conclusion that these structures were man made buildings of Sodom. Geologists have completely dismissed this idea. These same kinds of geological structures are found all around the Dead Sea - we know the buildings of Sodom did not surround the Dead Sea !
If Wyatt and/or associates wanted to provide any real evidence for such assertions, then it is NECESSARY to conduct excavations and if there are any human structures there, there WILL BE EVIDENCE ! Until evidence is found, there is no reason to believe Wyatt found anything other than a vivid imagination. Only gullible, naive people will believe Wyatt's imagination, of Wyatt's Sodom, without any real tangible verifiable evidence, other than Wyatt's imaginations and descriptions of his mind.
A major consideration that that students of the Scriptures will be aware of is that The Scriptures provide us with the general location of Sodom and the cities of the plain (Kikkar), and Wyatt's Sodom does NOT fit the description of the location given in the Scriptures. Wyatt and his followers area generally not people who study the Scriptures deeply and in a scholarly manner. This is clear in Wyatt's many Scriptural blunders. He likes to chose and use certain Scriptures that support his ideas at the exclusion of of the significant point of Scripture, and his followers are never the wiser.
Bottom line. - Wyatt should have used the Scriptures to find Sodom, not his imagination - But Wyatt ignored what the Scriptures said about the issue.
Be Well, DZ
@@Silverheart1956 Be careful tearing other people down. If you are supporting the Lord's plan for your life, then you should never tear down other people.
Interesting stuff and very edifying
I believe Joel Kramer is honest and sincere. But the evidence of Tall el-Hammam being Sodom is extremely more convincing to me. There needs to be an open and honest discussion between Joel and Dr. Steven Collins of Veritas International University. Dr. Collins excavated Tall el-Hammam over a 16 dig season. His fusion of the Biblical text and the location and scientific evidence is rock solid. I encourage Joel and Dr. Collins to discuss.
Bab-Edh-dhra and Numeira don't seem to match up imho. The reason (in my own words) is as follows:
Genesis 10:19 describes a viewpoint on the south east of the Dead Sea (directly east of Gaza) looking northwards towards Sodom, Gomorrah etc. as far as Laish (Dan) in the far north a the foot of Mt.Hermon.
An additional clue for the location of cities of the plain on the east of the Jordan is found in one of the Ebla tablets, which lists Damascus immediately before the five(six) cities of the plain, just as Genesis 14 mentions Abram chasing the invading kings on their way home north past Damascus, after initially confronting them at Dan (on the east bank of the Jordan). The eastern Jordan plain matches this description slightly better, being east of the Jordan and in greater proximity to Damascus. A more compelling argument however is that the inheritance of Lot in the mountains which he fled to are Ammon and Moab, whose mutual border lies south east of Jericho. The location of Bab-Edh-dhra and Numeira instead are located further south in the territory of Edom (Esau), the people of Abraham’s grandson that occupied this area not long after, south of Moab.
Thus the East-Jordan-plain or ‘northern hypothesis’ for the cities of the plain seems more plausible compared to the traditional sites of Bab-edh-dhra and Numeira. The only convincing evidence for the southern hypothesis is a 6th century AD byzantine map which places Zoar in the circular and admittedly very ‘kikkar’(disc)-like peninsula on the south east side of the dead sea. However this association may have arisen erroneously prior to or during the Byzantine period just as it has arisen today from the same presuppositions concerning a circular salted and desolated plain. Additionally, evidence for a catastrophic airburst event in the eastern Jordan plain exists dated to the Middle Bronze Age (MBII) period, whilst during this same period Bab-edh-dhra and Numeira had both been long abandoned, and although evidence exists for their sudden destruction and burning, there exists no matching evidence for any cosmic event that would match the description of fire from the sky as described in Genesis 19. Therefore the best conclusion regarding these two sites is destruction by an unrelated natural disaster.
An additional scriptural mention which seems to suggest a location for Sodom south of Jerusalem and which did cause me a degree of doubt is Ezekiel 16:46-56. However Ezekiel is very poetic with a lot of flair, and the context of Sodom's mention is this: Your mother was a Hittite (north), your father an Amorite (south), your elder sister is Samaria (North) and your younger sister is Sodom (south). All that can be certain is that Sodom is south of Samaria, and this doesn't necessitate being south of Jerusalem. The verse is just picking the nearest centres of evil in the north and south respectively and is not a geographical survey. Additionally the southern-most Amorites were located in the eastern Jordan plain, and there is no evidence of Amorite inhabitation further south of this, where instead the tribes of Edom dwelt.
Joel is awesome!
So good to hear your probrams. the H.S. elevates my mind and spirit through your work. God bless.
Amen!
Just a comment about seeing burned cities, show the city in Italy , Pompei with bodies burned by lava, very sad and impressive.
I LOVE this stuff. Can you do something on Mt Sinai/Jebel El Lawz?
Joel and I are going to do more of these together, so stay tuned!
@@SeanMcDowell Awesome! I can't wait!
Ron Wyitt found multiple different things also , like where Israel crossed the sea and several others
So, took a look at some of his videos, while some of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah may be preserving cultural memory, the two sites he talks about, Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira, weren't destroyed at the same time and the latest levels of destruction have been dated to a few hundred years earlier than pretty much any chronology of the patriarchal period. Looking forward to the video though and hope it discusses what we do/don't know archaelogically with some nuance.
Cool. We do discuss dating and he gives his reasons for why he thinks they do line up together with the biblical chronology. You can watch and be the judge if you're convinced!
@@SeanMcDowell Thanks for the response and his take on the C14 dating and pottery alignment is pretty interesting. I think my major issue is that Schaub (the one who he references as taking over the excavations after Lobb) explicitly states that the major destruction layer of Bab edh-Dhra occurred roughly 2350 BC followed by a later resettlement in an unwalled village. He also dates the demise of Numeira to 2600 BC. Neither the re-occupation, the time-period gap, nor the Early Bronze dating seem to fit the Middle Bronze story of Abraham. I'll dig around some more, but would love to see any papers that specify a later dating or deal with the resettlement issue -- the main source I'm looking at right now is "Crossing Jordan: North American Contributions to the Archaeology of Jordan".
Edit: Just pulled the field report and it looks like Rast and Shaub also dated the pottery of Strata II (the layer destroyed by fire) at Bab edh-Dhra to EB III (to roughly the same time frame as the C14 date gave), so even if later pottery from the re-settled Strata I matches a Middle Bronze date, the layer with destruction seems from both the account of pottery and C14 dating to be too early.
@@photoionized Excellent feedback, thanks. I will check that out.
Why... do Tells contain several chronological remainders of cities?
If anyone is interested in seeing what Sodom and Gomorrah burning would have looked like at night due to the sulfur, do a TH-cam search for blue volcano Indonesia.
@michaelibach9063
Or look at the actual results on Tell el-Hammam.
What might the kind of extreme, intense burning that happened at S&G have upon carbon dating?
Not sure heat would have any effect on the rate of decay of C14 isotopes, but it is less accurate over long periods of time because the margin of error increases. There is something called the Marine reservoir effect where carbon sources from ocean (e.g. a marine diet) are older and can give misleading results. The biggest problem though is the selection of samples which is open to human error! It certainly isn't the magic bullet a lot of people would have you believe
I’m quite sure Dr Collins has been digging ancient Sodom for years.
Yeah, I watched a presentation from Dr Collins a while back that seemed convincing. I feel like Collins and Kramer both give compelling reasons for their arguments, but locate Sodom on opposite sides of the Dead Sea. It would be helpful to see them debate this, or at least interact with each other's arguments.
Kramer specifically denied that any such sites exist…is he simply ignorant of that work??
@@JohnVandivier Hi John
I believe he said that he didn’t believe Dr. Collins site at Tall Al Hammam was Sodom for an couple of reasons.
I think they’re at about year 18 in the dig up there. Quite fascinating. Dr. Collins has several presentations and lots of artifacts. He’s fun to watch.
@@tylerenns Great suggestion. Maybe I can have them on together next!
@@tylerenns Like the Holy grail, I don't think it matters "where it is." What matters is the message and what can happen now if we don't take heed.
I believe the Fire came from above and below. The Earth. You don't mess with the Most High Father.
I visited these 2 cities in 1999 when I visited Masada. Lol. Everyone in Israel knows where they are. Ron Wyatt brought them to the world's attention 30 years ago. Cmon guys.
Ron Wyatt was good on some things, and horrible on others..... He didn't "find them", he heard what the locals had said. Such as the Holy Mountain in Saudi.
@@TheRevering i didn't say Ron Wyatt "found them". Try reading what I said.
Right? Everyone keeps “finding” Ron Wyatt’s finds. Disingenuous.
@@navion1946 Based on Wyatt’s history, I certainly wouldn’t take his word on it. I’d want confirmation from someone with a reliable record.
@@ivyrose779 Hundreds of thousands have visited Sodom and Gomorrah. They aren't hard to find. There are plenty of witnesses. I went there in 1999. Sulphur balls and all. You can clearly see them also from standing on top of Masada!
Is there any chance of putting these places on a map. I type in Numeira and it comes up in that location but here are people clearly living there. I'm guessing the excavation site is elsewhere.
This makes a lot of sense. Lot only had from before dawn to the rising of the sun to make it to Zoar. Zoar as determined by the Madaba Mosiac map as being on the south-east shore of the upper basin of the Dead Sea. It was only 3-5 miles away from Sodom.
Lot later left Zoar and went to live in a cave in the hills. He produced a son with his daughter. That son was named Moab. Moab is the country where Zoar is on the Madaba Map.
Can you tell me, has the Book of Esther been found in the dead sea scrolls and if not, what is the oldest known transcript?
Yacov rambsel would have had data like that
Esther isn't in qumran. It's hidden
Can you bring on Eric Metaxas? He has an account in his most recent book that has evidence that these cities were northeast of the Dead Sea where there is a layer of black melted rock that had to be at temperatures that could not be produced on earth at the time.
Eric Metexas isn't an archeologist.
He already interviewed Erick metaxis last year on that book. It was a great interview. I'm really wanting to get the book
Good suggestion, and yes, had him on a few months back!
What temperature couldn't be achieved on Earth at that time?
The name to check out is Dr. Stephen Collins excavating Tal El Hammam. More convincing than this IMO.
Awesome. I love this stuff
One thing I find striking every time I go back to the Bible is that they never really get magnitude across. From a plain reading, you'd think there was one Ark of the Covenant, one Noahs Ark, one Sodom and Gomorrah, Jesus was crucified on one cross, poked with one spear, etc. Little did we know there are dozens to hundreds of each in each story. Really changes your perspective when you worship, glory to God! 🙌🙌🙌
Dozens to hundreds of each? What do you mean by that?
@@winniecash1654 Noah had a fleet of Arcs for all the Arks that have been found. Multidimensional Jesus was simultaneously crucified on thousands of crosses for all the cross wood that was found. It's a joke at expense of the fact that every relic that Christians find important has been "found" at least dozens of times. Sodom and Gomorrah have been "found" many times too.
P.s. "found" = someone claimed that some random nothing was the relic
@@bouncycastle955 I think I understand your point. There's a yes and a no (or perhaps not literally speaking). I'll mull it over.
Are you a blood Jew or a religious Jew?
Great video
Yes Ron Wyatt made this discovery back in 1989. The videos on still on TH-cam.
He never discovered squat. He was a fraud. Amazing all these things he 'found' but never produced a thing for any of them.
Joel Kramer shows other locations than Ron. Ron thought, that Gomorrah would be found right and left of the parking place under Masada, the destroyed cities Zoar, Sodom, Gomorrah, Adama and Zebojim being in one line on the western banks of the dead sea.
Those are the areas., where You still find the sulfur balls. I believe, that Ron found the right places, but i'm still wondering if God transformed it so completely that there was only a boiling mess with brimstone and fire. Then the valleys are just wadis cut into the ashes by desert rainfalls.
Or if HE wants us to get more proof, that this once were cities. But i don't think, that "normal" excavations would be best to gain proof. I believe core drilling or jabbing a staff with a camera in front into the walls would be best to investigate the area. You don't have a high risk something collapsing in on You, You do not destroy much and You need a camera anyway to document the proof...
Some months ago i did one horizontal "core drill". 2m far, ca. 2cm diameter (big enough to put a camera and lamp into) to find out if there may be still hollows to find. I could not spend more time there, did not find a chamber, only all the same gypsum ash material as on the outside. So the quest for truth is still on. If we could find a proof that there was a city, it might help somebody to leave his way to hell. Right before my drilling i was in Jerusalem and spoke with people whom the police withheld from coming to their homes for hours - because the police had to protect a "pride parade". The first word the Bible uses to describe the sins of S.& G. is "Pride"!
But Wyatt did not consult the Biblical Scriptures to see where the Bible says Sodom and the cities of the Kikkar was located.
The result there is the Biblical location of Sodom based on the Bible. and
there is Wyatt's Sodom, base on Wyatt's speculations and imagination.
I chose to follow the Biblical location, instead of Wyatt's Sodom. DZ
Joel is amazing!!!!!
Ron Wyatt has footage of where he thinks Sodom and Gomorrah are.
Dear @jlouutube65
But Wyatt did not consult the Biblical Scriptures to see where the Bible says Sodom and the cities of the Kikkar was located.
The result there is the Biblical location of Sodom based on the Bible. and
there is Wyatt's Sodom, base on Wyatt's speculations and imagination.
I chose to follow the Biblical location, instead of Wyatt's Sodom. DZ
Joel does great work
Sean, I love that you also interviewed Dr Steven Collins concerning discovery of Sodom at Tall el-Hammam. That video description links to this video as an alternative. How about a link here to the Collins interview as an alternative?
I love Joel’s videos showing biblical archaeological sites(holy sepulcher, David’s tomb, Gezer standing stones). I believe he misses on this one.
According to the Bible the Dead Sea was the location of the battle Abraham fought to get Lot back. It, according to the Bible, was a plain with tar pits. I wonder if it's the place the burning brimstone broke lose from. I wonder what the bottom of the Dead Sea is like.
I remember in Jack Cuozzo's discussion of the unreliability of Carbon 14 dating in his book 'Buried Alive' and how some paleontologists were led astray when the remains of gunshot victim was found among a deeper strata layer. Well, the victim had been tossed down a well with a hole (or 2) in the cranium and the C14 data was just wrong as well as the speculation surrounding the hole in the head (if I remember the account correctly)
Joel Kramer mentioned C-14 dating was not reliable. But surely some dates of some carefully chosen objects found in carefully examined relatively undisturbed strata provide more reliable dates than others. There are also additional ways to date some objects. What are the results so far? What detailed attempts have been made to obtain such dates?
There was someone way back in the late 80's or early 90's who reported on an area that had sulfur holes all over the place, and he filmed it and I watched it. He also claimed to have found Sodom and Gomorrah. He also reported to have found Egyptian chariots on the sea bottom of the Red Sea and I think I remember watching that video clip as well. But over the decades I thought it odd that these claims were not repeated nor well known.
Sounds like Ron Wyatt.
@Scott Galloway yup and he was a fraud from hell!!!
@@randyg666 Do You have arguments to support Your opinion? Why do You name yourself ... 666 ?
Could the sulfur balls have been ball lightning?
Ok Wyatt may have been more fascinated by the west side of the Dead Sea, in all the videos I've seen of his... he did say he found more around the the South East side of the Dead Sea also. He had his idea of where the 5 different cities were. Some Doctor of something claimed Sodom and Gamorra and the cities of the plains were in the NORTH.
But while Wyatt was a more common sensical archeologist and not professional did find something on the West side of the Dead Sea. Forget Wyatt for a second... people have gone TO that side of the Dead Sea and found sulfur balls in the ash over there. Videos can be found all over TH-cam of people going where Wyatt went!!. Wyatt also mentioned finding skeletons and cemeteries too. So what if we need to put ALL these puzzles together from Wyatt, Dr Collins, and even this video.
It's just a shame the 'scholars' who don't believe the Bible nearly won't believe the very obvious archeological findings that verify the Bible.
In the time of Jesus, and also Josephus time, Sodom and Gomarrah were easely to see, as a warming for the People to listen carefully to God. And so these places are still very good visable. It on the West site of the dead see. The sulfer is not easy to pick up, like in your video. Its strong in the rest of the burnt remains!!!
@@ellekevandervalk7042 Wyatt would pick up a sulfur ball, Crack it OPEN and THEN burn it. They didn't do that here.
Great findings!
the LGBTQ (Λεσβοομοηδονικα) movement is up on deck for God's judgment
As is much of the American church.
@@sirsaint88 Yes the Presbysexual church, the Meth church, the Episscopulation church, the Luciferean church, .....
That's what Saul said before he was Paul. 👻 Boo
@@skellingtonmeteoryballoon No This is what Saul said either before or after he was called Paul: No Homosexual will inherit the kingdom of God
@@biblicaltheologyexegesisan9024 Peace unto you from the Lord , Mercy from the Father and Fellowship of the Holy Spirit.
Homosexual or not, apostle John 3:3-3:5 is the standard.
I have studied this subject in detail for many years as an armchair archaeologist reading books. I have never been there.
One argument against Bab ed Drah and Numeira not being Sodom and Gomorrah is that some have stated that the two ancient walled cities were destroyed is up to 250 years apart. What do you say about the wide range of dates?
I believe that Joel Kramer is right about the Five Cities of the Plain, and has explained them all to my complete satisfaction, as matching the Biblical record, with no argument. It is absolutely NOT Tell el Hammam, as many have suggested without any real convincing evidence, and since it is a tell mound and not a burned city that was never built on again.
Logical, concise...great!
Is sulfur raining down something that we have seen or have evidence of anywhere else? Is this a rare but known phenomena?
the Greek New Testament doesn't have "end of the world", for when God's wrath comes on the world. It has "end of the Age". He must be getting end of the world from the KJV where they translate Age as world.
It seems like the KJV has a significant amount of mistranslations and not inconsequential ones. I don’t understand why so many people insist that it is the “right” Bible outside of that’s just what they’ve been told their entire lives.
What is Google Earth coordinates ?
So how is your dig going near the Dead Sea?
So is Numeira actually Gomorrah?
Steve Collins already discovered it
Wyatt discovered this site years ago.
Joel Kramer shows a different location than Wyatt. Ron thought, that Gomorrah would be found right and left of the parking place under Masada, the destroyed cities Zoar, Sodom, Gomorrah, Adama and Zebojim being in one line on the western banks of the dead sea.
Those are the areas., where You still find the sulfur balls. I believe, that Ron found the right places, but i'm still wondering if God transformed it so completely that there was only a boiling mess with brimstone and fire. Then the valleys are just wadis cut into the ashes by desert rainfalls.
Or if HE wants us to get more proof, that this once were cities. But i don't think, that "normal" excavations would be best to gain proof. I believe core drilling or jabbing a staff with a camera in front into the walls would be best to investigate the area. You don't have a high risk something collapsing in on You, You do not destroy much and You need a camera anyway to document the proof...
Some months ago i did one horizontal "core drill". 2m far, ca. 2cm diameter (big enough to put a camera and lamp into) to find out if there may be still hollows to find. I could not spend more time there, did not find a chamber, only all the same gypsum ash material as on the outside. So the quest for truth is still on. If we could find a proof that there was a city, it might help somebody to leave his way to hell. Right before my drilling i was in Jerusalem and spoke with people whom the police withheld from coming to their homes for hours - because the police had to protect a "pride parade". The first word the Bible uses to describe the sins of S.& G. is "Pride"!
The crossing of the Red see is a misunderstanding... The Bible speaks about the see of reeds....
the inly times that spelling matters is when you seek to convey the verb to see or the noun the sea, and do not wish to confuse the two, but you missed that class presumably, ty red sea
Joel what do you think of Dr Steven Collins work he used the Bible as a road map and found what he believes is the Biblical site and his evidence seems so complete?
One kind of liar is he who believes what he *wants* to believe
In reality Dr. Collins has been excavating Sodom for about a decade. Tall el Hamman is now accepted as Sodom of the bible by the archeological community consensus.
The archeological consensus is that Dr. Collins has found Sodom. Google TH-cam for Tall el Hammam
What about the mineral content of the soil beneath the ash? What percentage is sulphur?
Apparently just 50% but it's enough to burn blue 🔥🔵
@@skellingtonmeteoryballoon What is the data source? And what is the mineral content around the Dead Sea in general?
@@edwardtbabinski I tromped around Gomorrah in 2011...there really is no "soil" just compacted ash. You'd prob have to dig deep to get to earth that was not exposed to high temps...also , I recovered some sulfur balls from Gomorrah and had it tested with FTIR Spectroscopy.....95% pure sulfur.
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Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic
Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.
The Torah has *Fcuk_Nothing* to do with the way of christ of which you understand nothing
Nice interview, as for Sodom I don't think so.. I'm still looking for Santa's workshop. This is just relying on the gullibility of apologists.
So you've refuted all the claims being made here? Give us one refutation.
@@andyderksen8455 I did send you a reply but somehow it was removed.
I'll try again later...
Back in the 1930s, a scholar named foxwell Albright had already determined that the pottery typology located in that area outdated Abraham by almost a thousand years.
Secondly, In the biblical narrative a number of cities were destroyed, This area also has several cities but they are separated in destruction by 250 years. Hardly at the same time as stated in the biblical narrative.
Number three. There are no sulfur balls in this area, those are located on the westside of the Dead Sea closer to Masada, not the East where he's claiming that they came from, or making it seem?...
Also on the east side there is an Ancient graveyard with over 500,000 burials. I wonder who buried them after those cities were completely destroyed? Fourth, he makes it seem that the cemetery was destroyed or burned, not true. Only one or two tombs were burned. These are called charnal houses, kind of like today's mausoleums.
So in my opinion this is poor archeology poor academics and just sensationalism.
Just use Wikipedia and look up Sodom Gomorrah and see what it tells you or one of the cities that claim to be Sodom or Gomorrah. Bab ehd Dhra I think that's how you spell it...
Hope this helps. Thanks for asking. Have a nice day.
Have any deposits of salt found???
So cool. Thank you.
8:20 water is vital for survival!
Thank you.
Do fascinating!
Show me the pictures.
Great video! So interesting!
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
dr steven collins is an amazing archaeologist!
Yay! Thanks.
Are you saying the sulfur balls were a kind of napalm? Like a “mud” ball of sulfur, held together with crude oil (?) and raining down like a cluster munition?
Also, the Russian natural explosion and has from earthquakes with gas could explain general destruction. How did these natural events nail 4 cities and spared 1? It looks like targeting to me.
Thank you both and God bless you and your ministry richly ❤
Joel is the man, I love his videos.
Romans 10:9
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
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John 3:16 King James Version 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Galatians 3:26 King James Version 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Titus 3:5-7 King James Version 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Revelation 21:4 King James Version 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Luke 21:28
“And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”
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Revelation 13:7
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7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Matthew 24:22
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And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”
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Matthew 24:26-36
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately* after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other*.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till* all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:36-44
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36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Luke 12:2-4
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2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.
4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
John 14:16-18 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Acts 2:38
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
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2 Corinthians 6:2
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2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
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Joshua 24:15
“And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
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Matthew 28:19-20
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19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Romans 1:16
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16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
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Bible misinterpretations corrected:
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Yahweh is the Lord God Almighty in the KJV
Yeshua is the Son of God, being the Son of Man in the KJV
but Yeshua is not God he is the Son of God
Whilst Yahweh is the Father
The trinity is a lie that has been carried out for many years by the catholic church and has been disproven many times
Although the KJV enables readers to read the bible it is fundamentally flawed multiple areas and thus I recommend the Hebrew bible also known as the Tanakh for the most accurate translation as it is the most accurate I know of. either that or the possibly the Jerusalem bible for multiple reasons but I would recommend being cautious of such copies
The scriptures prove what I have stated according to the KJV:
John 14:16-18 KJV
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Luke 22:42
“Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.”
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John 8:27
“They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.”
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Joshua 24:15
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15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Exodus 20:3-5
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3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
John 12:44
“Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.”
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Acts 2:38
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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Mark 10:18
“And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.”
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Am fascinated by this story. Yes I agree that burning Sulfur balls likely devastated the two cities and they evidence is in the Sulfur balls still present in the grounds close by. But my question is where did they come from. I understand that sulfur balls come from Volcanic activity so this should also be looked at and researched. Also, was it volcanic activity that ignited the sulfur balls as the tradition states is was "raining brimstone". So this means they were likely ejected at the same time ?.
According to R.Wyatts records it is not volcanic sulfur, which is yellow and is less pure than the white sulfur found at the site
@@marionchase-kleeves8311Ron Wyatt is a fraud and shouldn’t be used to help Christianity
Who told you that"burning Sulfur balls likely devastated the two cities", and why do you believe them, oh credulous little kinderlander child?
burning Sulfur balls my arse! You kinderlander-Americans, are as credulous as imbecile children I think because that is how you are programmed or conditioned r wound up. burning sulphur balls indeed. Complete balls that is. Obvious nonsense that not even a retarded child would believe- only the kinderlander, the children of the peoples of the world and as credulous as children.
But doesn't the Bible only mention two of the five cities being burned down and not four of them?
Would it necessarily exclude other cities though, besides the two?
very little is historical in the OT
@@paulrichards6894 I wouldn't say that. There is solid archaeological evidence for various stories in the book of kings and chronicles as well as people of the OT. Check out the top ten list of OT related archaeological discoveries by the associates of biblical research.
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@@winniecash1654 actually, I just read deuteronomy 29:22 where it actually mentions two cities beside sodom and gomorrha that were destroyed.
Hey guys, read about Tall el Hammam in Jordan on the Jordan river. The destruction fits exactly to what you claim. A very high heat event that has been shown to be an asteroid destruction of a city right where the bible says Sodom was.
Shown, *by_who*, *yo_whom*
You just make these rings up as you go along?There are no map references in the jewbook/bible.
@vhawk1951kl when you can write like adult I would be happy to explain what is going on and the evidence
There are no Sulphur balls at Tel Al Hammam where Sodom is located.
@@vhawk1951klBy the evidence. Right stuff, right place, right time.
"Jewbook" What a childish thing to write. Are you 6 years old? You act like you are.
@@nahshon9998 What evidence?
Hearsay is not evidence
You are the one having an infantile tantrum not me little kinderlander.
So they didn't find anything?
Can we give Ron Wyatt a hat-tip too please?
on satellite images you can still make out a riverbed connecting the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba, but it looks like something must have stopped up the river stopping the Jordan from flowing all the way to the Gulf
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