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I had not ridden this ride in a few years until September. I took my daughter on it and got front row seats while waiting for only 1 train. Being up front and floorless, it felt like I was sitting on the track, it was awesome. And being 6'4, my feet were literally 10"-12" from the track. I loved it, my daughter got a headache on it
Imo, they should never remove iron dragon because of how rare and unique the suspended coaster is. The other coasters you mentioned I agree should be removed and Gemini be RMC’d At first I didn’t like rougarou but I got 4 rides nonstop and started to appreciate it but I feel like they should replace it with a b&m inverted sit down with a launched hill similar to Incredible Hulk and theme it up
We got 4 front row rides in a row without getting off at the end of the night this summer, and I just love this coaster! I agree it could help them to relocate it. Put it at Michigan's adventure and make it worth the family tri trek to cedar point, kings Island and mich ave.
9:14 "Once Canada's Wonderland removes both of these headache inducing machines, they will have plenty of room for Rougarou to "be an even bigger headache inducing machine" to be located on the left side of the park. Not only would this dominate this side of Canada's Wonderland, it would also give the park yet another high-capacity coaster that focuses on flipping riders upside down "and knocking their heads off..."
@@SJSmith-vq6wy I actually rode them back to back in July for only the credits (didn't ride them again for a 2nd time) and my ears started feeling better halfway through the 30 min wait for Behemoth. I think I enjoyed Time Warp more only because I never experienced a flying coaster before. Rougarou stands145 tall. Time Warp is 50 feet tall. Flight Deck is 109 feet tall. Bigger meaning taller...so I absolutely mean when I said even bigger.
I rode Rogarou today, 1st time since it was Mantis. I liked it and would be happy for it to stay. Would rather see Gemini, Iron Dragon, or Corkscrew go away. But I'm not considering any other factors other than my personal preference and would still be open to something bigger and better.
One of the biggest benefits Rougarou has is that it's reliable and it's a people-eater. The lines can still get long on busy days, but it's got pretty continuous through-put. Unfortunately, too many of the more recent coasters at CP have had reliability or capacity issues. If CP decides to remove or move Rougarou, they needs to find something that can maintain the level of riders per hour / uptime that they have now.
Yep, exactly. And even if Corkscrew is replaced with a coaster that has better capacity than TT2, Millennium Force and SteVe are still going to draw crowds in the other direction. So Rougarou will still be helpful to relieve them.
Out of the 4 coasters you mentioned that could be removed from Cedar Point, I think Rou and Corkscrew would be the best choices. Iron Dragon is kind of a relic at this point and (at least in my experience riding it as a child) provides a great coaster for aspiring coaster riders. Same thing with cedar creek mine ride. If they do end up removing Rou, I personally think the most logical thing to replace it with would be something from Vekoma like Lech Coaster or Fonix. Leaning more towards Lech Coaster. A modern, inversion based ride with intensity and airtime. I think either of those would be a smash hit. And with Cedar Fair working with Vekoma now, I could absolutely see that being a possibility if they wanted to go the thrill ride route.
The main reason I see for why people want Rougarou gone is that it's just a decent coaster and would be #1 in a lot of other parks. I agree with that opinion, but not as a reason for removal. You wouldn't hear any removal talk if it was newer like the other large decent coasters Gatekeeper and Valravn. I even prefer Rougarou over those two for the intensity. I doubt there's any thoughts from the park about removing it due to ridership. At some point the older coasters in the park will be removed and likely replaced with coasters at a similar thrill level. Unless the park continues the trend of replacing rides with restaurants. Cedar Point: America's restaurant coast, eat on!
One thing about michigans adventure is that ive heard the township it's located in has a 125 ft height limit for amusement attractions. it checks out since the tallest thing there (shivering timbers) is almost exactly that height, but i haven't actually seen real evidence of this though, so take it with a grain of salt. still something to think about
Dominator aka Batman Knight Flight at Geauga Lake is the best B&M floorless built yet,..Rougaru 1st half is great but after that mid brake run your head bounces off that restraint...I've been every Friday in 23 and this ride is a walk-on everytime.The only time Rougaru has a line is when the park is slammed,talking an hour wait for anything
I would like for Canada's Wonderland to replace Time Warp and Flight Deck with a modern Vekoma STC. I know suspended coasters aren't an absolute must for a park (especially if they get that B&M wing), but it would be nice for them to have a good suspended coaster in the park.
Great video, and excellent take on a ride that I think gets overlooked at Cedar Point, I wouldn’t be surprised it Cedar Fair decided to relocate that ride to another park that you mentioned, I think it could fit in well at a place like Valley Fair or Michigan’s Adventure, great video once again!!!
I hope to get on Rougarou next year (and Corkscrew, Raptor, etc, since I haven't been on any inverting coasters yet), but my brother and mom have said it's quite rough; she had to hold her head to not get banged around. Anyway, if you see this, are there some spots on Rougarou that are rougher than others?
Send it to Michigan’s adventure, they definitely need an expansion using all the open land they have next to it. Then I would replace it will either a record breaking tilt coaster, rmc raptor, or possibly a smaller scale 500ft roller coaster concept
@@ArrowThrills I know, they could have just gotten a next generation version of that ride. Similar to the legendary twin dragon over in china, but faster, taller and longer than that
Michigan's Adventure's main issue will always be Cedar Point. Any investment into MA competes with CP, as CP pulls a ton of it's foot traffic from the state of Michigan. Cedar Fair will likely have to shed some dead weight with the Six Flags merger, and not only would Michigan's Adventure be a prime candidate, the park itself would benefit from a management company that's actually interested in developing the park.
I agree with most of the suggestions there. I was going to bring up how Rougarou wouldn't fit at Knott's, not just because of the park's very limited space, but because SFMM is only a one and a half to a two hour drive away and it offers a very similar experience and layout with Scream! (Silver Bullet on the other hand at least does have a very different layout than Batman), but Michigan's Adventure, Canada's Wonderland, and Valleyfair make way more sense.
Truly hope you are the only person who wants the Cedar Creek Mine Ride removed. The C²MR. is the the best front row experience of any coaster at CP. An RMC'd Gemini is what we should be asking for
Cedar Point is my local park Rougarou is often a walkon. Its not a terrible ride, but its rough in the second half. There are a hand full of die hard fans but I would not be sad to see it go. Realistically if they were to put the vest restraints on instead of the hard foam overheads it would remove the headbanging most people complain about. I say change restraints or move it, but you are correct. The 4 you listed at cedar point are ready to go, we have a soft spot for gemini but it has been having issues last two years with going down or needing to run one train only. Seems like if they had the intentions to keep the coaster they would fix the issue. I feel they are limping it along.
#bringbackmantis I say restore it to a standup coaster now that we have that new surf coaster technology! Now here’s my crazy idea: Firstly repaint and retheme it, take out the lift hill entirely just leaving a portion of the drop, and make it start with a launch into a treble clef element that attaches to the drop and the rest of the ride, essentially transforming it into a surf coaster.
@@Project_Storm1999 “essentially transforming it into a surf coaster” not an actual surf coaster train, just the technology that makes stand up coasters comfortable. My point is B&M took the chance at making new stand up coaster technology and it worked out, now there’s more potential for what they could do with it. It’s comparable to how they put the vest restraints on their new dive coasters
I like Rougaro alot. I have no problems with head banging. I grab the top of the shoulder restraints and pull myself up and out of the way. I think Corkscrew and Gemini need to go after finishing their 50th years. IF they move Rougaro it would awesome to go to Michigan's Adventure, but theyd HAVE to have an immediate replacement. If iron dragon stays i think a Vekoma Flyer that interacts with Iron Dragon would be SUPERB. Call it Dragon Slayer!! A coaster like Lech should replace corkscrew
Having a reliable capability eater is pretty nice in that section of the park. Gemini leaving makes to much sense its basically in the middle of 2 plots of land and it probably has less life left than any other ride in the park
Somewhere, I have a press release and 2 nice buttons from when Rougaru was announced as "Banshee" that would be changed to Mantis. Do you think that would be worth anything?
Not happening. Cedar Fair sees MA as a water park with attached FECs that happen to include coasters. They're lucky to have a coaster with more than 2 inversions, and they're more likely to get the Boomerang from WoF than Rougarou.
I had almost the exact same thoughts about Rougarou during my last visit to Cedar Point this year. It would be a top ride at most parks, while it sort of gets lost in the mix a little bit at Cedar Point
Hot take alert!!!!! Remove Frontier Land, the petting zoo, and SR Expedition to put in 1 or 2 more coasters/rides. I keep seeing vids with CP coaster removal speculation. But what about the massive no ride zone from Millennium Force to Thunder Canyon? There is so much land and ride potential for this area. Would the majority of GP really miss Toot Sweets, or the glass blowing demo? Frontier Land is always a walk through for most people. I feel with the new Boardwalk area now open, Frontier Land is even more of a ghost town. This way they could keep every coaster and add a couple more. Or what about the plot of land behind the makeshift fence at the food truck hub? If you're on Rougarou you can see the land aching for a new coaster. Cedar Point definitely has land options to build more rides.
I really hope it doesnt get removed. I like this ride so much better than rides like Gatekeeper. Its reliable and is so underrated. Especially a great ride to get on when the "bigger" rides are shut down.
I don't see them relocating it. I think they will definitely replace corkscrew and Gemini first. Mine ride and Iron Dragon may stay simply because they are nice relaxing coasters for those that don't like the extreme rides. There's a lot of land to make use of before they remove this, even then I see Snake River Falls and Thunder Canyon going before it as well. The only potential removing this has is openening up a new bridge to Millennium Island should they choose to use it.
The four coasters you mentioned as candidates for removal are all great rides for people who are just starting to get into coasters, or for those who don’t really like the bigger, crazier rides. Those shouldn’t be removed imo.
If Rougarou were ever to be re-located, would it make sense for them to alter the second half of the layout? Because most of the complaints are from the second half of the ride. Maybe whoever were to take it, could put gradual turns after the mid-course brake run. Just a thought.
It's been almost 25 years since Cedar Point constructed Millennium Force. It's long overdue for Cedar Point to construct a new record breaking out and back coaster. They spent the last couple decades building gimick coasters.
Mantis debuted the first year I went to Cedar Point and fell in love with Rollercoasters! I bought a shirt on the trip that said "Grand Slam" and had Mantis, Raptor, Magnum and Mean Streak advertised as their top 4 coasters - creating the Grand Slam!
The coaster has always been great, the over the head restraint is the problem. Just like Raptor, your head takes a beating every ride. At 5 foot 7 inches my head gets bashed side to side, my brother 6' 1" can rest his shoulders at the top of the restraints and be ok. Make it like Gatekeeper and it would be great. Move it for a new coaster if space is need great. Most people skip it not wanting the headache after riding.
Of course it gets overlooked. It's current color scheme causes it to blend in with its surroundings. If they returned it to its Mantis color scheme, it would stand out more.
Knott’s would be perfect as due to their limited space, they would want to change it out in 15-20 years anyway, no re-tracking necessary! With all their problems with their coasters lately, they also desperately need something that is reliable and will run without issues!!
Iron Dragon needs to be protected, Arrow suspended coasters are so rare and is a great step up for younger riders or those who don't need/want something something super intense, it's also pretty accommodating for larger guests. Gemini.. I'm very bias on since its been my favorite ride since I was a kid. I don't see Rougaru staying much longer than its service life. Having worked it, the line was barely 10 minutes every time. Its great to have in the line up for variety, but I don't see them investing in its future, personally.
While true the land behind high roller is prone to flooding, flood waters rarely come up to where the old haunt attractions were in this area. Plus, I was told by a former GM that only the station cannot be in a flood prone area. Any track supports could be build there if they could find a way to keep the station on dry ground.
Replacing track isn't effective if not in the same location. With rides like Hulk and Nemesis, they are using the same ride footers. A relocation and track replacement still requires that element of construction. They might as well build a new coaster because all they'd have is the lift hill and break run/station track for a relocation and retrack. If Cedar Point removes Rougarou it could be a Firehawk situation. That said I suspect Rougarou has more service life than we would expect. It's not a year round park like Universal or built into a big pit like Nemesis.
IDK why I always feel like Rougaru should just be awesome, but after I ride it I'm like meh. I don't know what it is about it. I enjoy riding Iron Dragon a whole lot more. But I feel like I shouldn't. Weird.
To me replacing Rougarou makes sense because Valraven despite being a dive coaster is also a floorless and I feel like the inversions are similar enough. The dive is what sets the ride apart to me but I don’t think that’s enough. Maybe that’s just me.
Going to be honest I did not expect to see Canada's Wonderland make it to this list. Although it wouldn't be a bad replacement for Flight Deck I feel like the park could benefit from something better than a relocated floorless coaster. That being said one park I feel like that could really benefit from Rougarou is Worlds of Fun. The only looping coaster they have at the park that isn't inverted is Boomerang. There are also no floorless coasters anywhere else in Missouri. The closest floorless coaster to Worlds of Fun would also be Superman: Krypton Coaster at Six Flags Fiesta Texas (approximately over a 12 hour drive from the park). Looking back though instead of giving Mantis the floorless treatment back in 2015 Cedar Fair should of relocated the coaster before giving it the floorless conversion.
Great Vid. Rougarou is an hour & 15 mins away from me. If they move it to Michigan's Adventure, I'd be pumped to go to Western Michigan. If Cedar Point moved Mine Ride or even their troika I'd be happy. Just something new for people over 48" man lol
I think they'll probably keep it there til it's done... Plus, it being a refurbed Stand -up, its not an upper tier floorless to begin with, so I can't really see other parks really even wanting it, especially considering its within a decade of running out the clock.
I think it's a pretty fun ride though it is admittedly overshadowed. I don't know that Cedar Point really needs to move it per se but only because it's footprint is small enough that I don't think it would make enough room to do something on the scale you'd hope for from Cedar Point. But I guess a compact MACK multi launch or Vekoma could work in its spot. But I'm not sure that would be the kind of thing that would draw much attention from the general public. But if you incorporated a few of the little pocket areas next to the you could maybe fit something bigger in there.
Great video about a forgotten coaster. It may not be a top 5 coaster at Cedar Point, but it would be at almost any other park. I think your prediction of 2050 is very generous, I think we will see it gone before 2040 if I had to make a guess and probably closer to 2036. You're completely correct about the parks you picked as well, with the exception of Canada's Wonderland (which has more than enough coasters, but it still clearly says something about the quality of their collection if Rougarou going to instantly become one of the best coasters in the park if it's moved there). I always enjoy the insight and reasoning you put into these videos, and I agree with the majority of it in this case
I rode both Mantis and Rougarou and Rougarou beat me up just as much as Mantis did lol. I think Rougarou would be a much better ride if B&M made vest restraints for it and could become more popular wherever it may end up going.
Rougarou doesn't belong in the same conversation with dominator! Finally made it to KD this past July. Dominator was the biggest surprise for me. Blows rougarou away.
Relocating would be best. It’s a great ride and would be a great fit in many parks. No my favorite ride when we visit CP, but if the park is packed, Rougarou will have a short line.
The only park that could realistically receive Rougarou is Worlds of Fun, and there are better ground-up options CF could choose from. And like others have said, Cedar Point needs its people-eaters. Wouldn't be shocked if Raptor gets retracked before Rougarou is removed.
I think Rougarou should be relocated to Kings Island. I think it would be a nice fit, and it would get more riders since Kings Island is a small park, and its easy to get to all of the coasters without being worn out from all the walking.
Last time I rode this, I was that one height where every time it shakes your ear bones get kind of crushed in your skull, but the layout was fun. That kind of ruined the ride experience for me though.
This ride is incredibly rough in certain rows, so if they do decide to remove it maybe between 2025-2030 they could build a massive giga right next to the original giga
Frontier town has maverick and steel vengeance. Each area of cedar point should have two great roller coasters. The park is that good. Millennium force needs a partner and rougarou isn’t it. I’d add a gerstlauer or Mach ride. Actually, something similar to skyrush as a compact intense ride would make sense there. On the other side of the midway, dragster should awaken that area. However they really need to get rid of corkscrew and add something better. I dislike magnum and actually really like Gemini, but I doubt they remove magnum. I’d love to see a ride that extends over the lake somehow. Magnum is your closest thing but is dainty. I wouldn’t remove Gemini. I’d remove corkscrew and the power tower and add something with a beyond vertical drop that is record breaking for height.
Why would they want to remove a perfectly fine B&M? Doesn't make much sense when they've got a pile of hot garbage like Corkscrew. I see Corkscrew going before Rougarou... that or Cedar creek mine ride or maybe Gemini.
@@KeepRidinCoasters I understand the premise, but why would a park even want to put the time and money into it knowing its probably nearing the end of its service life... they could just about build something else ground up by the time they paid to relocate and refurbish it... I don't see a park wanting to just put it in without completely redoing it , becsuse they're not going to get but maybe a decade out of it the way it is.
@@KeepRidinCoasters Yeah I get what you're saying, but I guess what I'm getting at is by the time they paid to relocate it, then paid to refurbish it (being 30 years old I don't see a way to get around refurbing it, because otherwise they'd be paying all that money for something just for a few years before its out of service life), they could go ahead and building something ground up from RMC, or Zamperla, or any of the less expensive manufacturers. Especially given their recent love for Zamperla. You're looking at probably at least 12 to 15 million dollars to relocate and refurb Rougarou... they could build a decent brand new coaster from a smaller manufacturer for right around that same number. It just don't seem like good business sense to me.
I really like Rougarou! Is it a top 5 ride for me? No, not at all. But what it has going for it is that it's super solid, eats people, and gets better and better the more people are on it. I once rode it 13 times in a day and I discovered that in the 7th row, you actually get some airtime!
Imo, Michigan's Adventure should take this, they haven't had a new coaster of any kind in years, their last new coaster was in 2008 and it too was a relocation, a Vekoma SLC, Thunderhawk. Idk any other CF park that has gone that long without a new ride whatsoever.
Also, 3 of the 4 other rides you mentioned I don't think are going away, Corkscrew was a foundational coaster for Cedar Point, that's why it's still there, it's a history piece, Gemini is similar to Blue Streak in terms of local loving popularity, and Cedar Creek Mine Ride is a mine train coaster which are always needed rides in every park much like kiddy coasters, they're perfect for kids who need a bit more of an intense ride than a wacky worm. Iron Dragon while legendary is a suspended coaster by Arrow, with increasingly expensive and rare parts. It's footprint also looks bigger from the top down pov, Rougarou being a B&M says it all, it's reliable, the parts are still plenty, and floorless models are still popular.
Rougaru, iron dragon, gemini, and corkscrew are question marks for me when visiting cedar points. Rougaru is by far the best coaster on this list. But it's nearly a walk on which is the reason it's on this list. Good ride, not great. But not good enough for the landlocked cedar point.
I think Rougaru will stay at Cedar Fair until the end of it's service life though Kings Island and Worlds of Fun both do lack outdoor full circuit non-inverted coasters that have at least one inversion.
have a love hate relationship for it, there are stunning views and the first drop is amazing, but after that the layout it is just too rough and useless, and the only plus to this ride is the wait times, the longest I have waited is 10 mins, and on Monday's and Tuesdays when the park is dead, they are always running 3 train opps, which is rare, but still enjoyable because there is a lot of shade near the station.
I’ve been saying for years how good of a fit this would be at Michigans Adventure. MA is an hour from my house and we only usually go there for a single day every other year, and mostly for the waterpark. Rougarou is a good ride and under appreciated at CP. It would fit SO nice at MA and cost much less than a ground up coaster, and compliment Thunderhawk (which I actually like) quite well. This would also free up space at CP for the next big thing. Michigans Adventure is a disappointment, there’s no way to sugar coat it, but Rougarou could give it a little bit of life support, and if they then decided to retrack ST and RMC Wolverine Wildcat, then they all of a sudden have a nice little regional park without a huge investment.
Good point and rougarou is under the 200 ft height restriction at Michigan's adventure. They really should have relocated wicked twister there but I think it was too tall!
Thing hardly breaks down. Even as Mantis, the ride has always performed solidly. One of those rides where it isn’t the greatest, but not the worst. CP would have no reason to remove it other than desperately needing that area for something.
I don't think I would miss it. Cedar point doesn't need it anymore, and while it is one of the better floorless conversions it still feels a bit off, especially in the second half. It might actually have been better as Mantis in my opinion but that still wasn't good. For me its a bottom 3 coaster at cedar point, with corkscrew and cedar creek mine train being a contender for the worst. While it could be a good fit for Michigan's adventure and a couple of the other neglected parks, I think for most of the other cedar fair parks the millions it would cost to relocate it would likely be better spent on something else. Possibly if they move it somewhere else they can possibly can make it a 4 across surf coaster, and restore the original heartline profile.
This ride is a guaranteed headache for me. Every. Time. I want to like it SO badly but it just bangs my head around so bad. Can they make that better? If so, I'd ride it every trip to the park!
CP loves to remake rides lately, I think your on to something. Re make Corkscrew so it is smoother, new trains and a 2035 layout fit for the future and remembering the past...
I went to Cedar Point for the first time in a few years and road all the big coasters. Rougarou and valraven are definitely the most boring of the big coasters. I also road both of those directly after Steel Vengeance which is one of the best coasters in the world so that probably didn’t help😂
As Cedar Point as my home park, I vote Corkscrew should be the first ride removed. I can't even ride it being tall. I almost got my legs stuck in the mine ride this year too, but that is a better kid ride than corkscrew imo.
It could beat out copperhead strike as number 4. Wouldn't beat out fury, afterburn or intimidator though. That being said I'd love a floorless or sit-down b&m at Carowinds like a Kraken or incredible hulk type
I’m a big B&M defender. No manufacturer is as consistently good as them. *But f(&k Rougarou.* This recycled stand up piece of s=$t is as rough as the current housing market. The final inversion snapped my head so hard against the restraints I seen stars. Not metaphorically, my vision was flashing for a good 2min. And everything before that wasn’t comfortable either. This ride is so much worse than corkscrew. Hell, I’d rather ride KD’s Anaconda again than this.
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This ride is criminally underrated!!!
Amen!
You're funny
If you like headaches then yes
I agree
@@dissociationcampaign5997 I’m not kidding, I had such a fun time on this ride!!!
I had not ridden this ride in a few years until September. I took my daughter on it and got front row seats while waiting for only 1 train. Being up front and floorless, it felt like I was sitting on the track, it was awesome. And being 6'4, my feet were literally 10"-12" from the track. I loved it, my daughter got a headache on it
Imo, they should never remove iron dragon because of how rare and unique the suspended coaster is. The other coasters you mentioned I agree should be removed and Gemini be RMC’d
At first I didn’t like rougarou but I got 4 rides nonstop and started to appreciate it but I feel like they should replace it with a b&m inverted sit down with a launched hill similar to Incredible Hulk and theme it up
I would hate to see ID get removed!!
@@KeepRidinCoastersit’s a true gem.
Draggin' Iron definitely needs to go.
We got 4 front row rides in a row without getting off at the end of the night this summer, and I just love this coaster! I agree it could help them to relocate it. Put it at Michigan's adventure and make it worth the family tri trek to cedar point, kings Island and mich ave.
Yeah it’s not a bad ride at all!
I second Relocate it to Michigan's Adventure!!
9:14 "Once Canada's Wonderland removes both of these headache inducing machines, they will have plenty of room for Rougarou to "be an even bigger headache inducing machine" to be located on the left side of the park. Not only would this dominate this side of Canada's Wonderland, it would also give the park yet another high-capacity coaster that focuses on flipping riders upside down "and knocking their heads off..."
I’m thinking you haven’t ridden Time Warp or Flight Deck if you think Rougarou is worse.
@@SJSmith-vq6wy I actually rode them back to back in July for only the credits (didn't ride them again for a 2nd time) and my ears started feeling better halfway through the 30 min wait for Behemoth. I think I enjoyed Time Warp more only because I never experienced a flying coaster before. Rougarou stands145 tall. Time Warp is 50 feet tall. Flight Deck is 109 feet tall. Bigger meaning taller...so I absolutely mean when I said even bigger.
@@TommonSensePro Rou isn't that rough imo, there is only a slight jolt going into the MCBR and it runs quite smooth on busy days.
I rode Rogarou today, 1st time since it was Mantis. I liked it and would be happy for it to stay. Would rather see Gemini, Iron Dragon, or Corkscrew go away. But I'm not considering any other factors other than my personal preference and would still be open to something bigger and better.
One of the biggest benefits Rougarou has is that it's reliable and it's a people-eater. The lines can still get long on busy days, but it's got pretty continuous through-put. Unfortunately, too many of the more recent coasters at CP have had reliability or capacity issues. If CP decides to remove or move Rougarou, they needs to find something that can maintain the level of riders per hour / uptime that they have now.
When the park is busy, what do you do? Ride Rougarou! It not only eats people, but it rides way better on busy days.
Yep, exactly. And even if Corkscrew is replaced with a coaster that has better capacity than TT2, Millennium Force and SteVe are still going to draw crowds in the other direction. So Rougarou will still be helpful to relieve them.
But you can be certain Top Thrill Disaster will experience its share of downtime
The only problem with Rougarou is the hard restraints and banging your head off of them. Switch to restraints like Gatekeeper and I'm in love again.
Yes, the headache restraints are the issue.
Out of the 4 coasters you mentioned that could be removed from Cedar Point, I think Rou and Corkscrew would be the best choices. Iron Dragon is kind of a relic at this point and (at least in my experience riding it as a child) provides a great coaster for aspiring coaster riders. Same thing with cedar creek mine ride. If they do end up removing Rou, I personally think the most logical thing to replace it with would be something from Vekoma like Lech Coaster or Fonix. Leaning more towards Lech Coaster. A modern, inversion based ride with intensity and airtime. I think either of those would be a smash hit. And with Cedar Fair working with Vekoma now, I could absolutely see that being a possibility if they wanted to go the thrill ride route.
WE NEED VEKOMA
I would love something like lech! Omg!
Would that not be too similar to current rougarou though?
The main reason I see for why people want Rougarou gone is that it's just a decent coaster and would be #1 in a lot of other parks. I agree with that opinion, but not as a reason for removal. You wouldn't hear any removal talk if it was newer like the other large decent coasters Gatekeeper and Valravn. I even prefer Rougarou over those two for the intensity. I doubt there's any thoughts from the park about removing it due to ridership. At some point the older coasters in the park will be removed and likely replaced with coasters at a similar thrill level. Unless the park continues the trend of replacing rides with restaurants. Cedar Point: America's restaurant coast, eat on!
That's a good one, eat on... and then take the walk of shame on Millennium Force 😢
One thing about michigans adventure is that ive heard the township it's located in has a 125 ft height limit for amusement attractions. it checks out since the tallest thing there (shivering timbers) is almost exactly that height, but i haven't actually seen real evidence of this though, so take it with a grain of salt. still something to think about
I think that it should be relocated and retract in the rough areas like the corkscrew, dive loop, and ending helix, but keep the rest of the ride
rougarou has great capacity and it’s really fun! it was a walk on when i went
I've NEVER rode Rougarou & only rode Mantis twice.
Never???? Lol
@@KeepRidinCoasters
I know, lol, never
Dominator aka Batman Knight Flight at Geauga Lake is the best B&M floorless built yet,..Rougaru 1st half is great but after that mid brake run your head bounces off that restraint...I've been every Friday in 23 and this ride is a walk-on everytime.The only time Rougaru has a line is when the park is slammed,talking an hour wait for anything
I would like for Canada's Wonderland to replace Time Warp and Flight Deck with a modern Vekoma STC. I know suspended coasters aren't an absolute must for a park (especially if they get that B&M wing), but it would be nice for them to have a good suspended coaster in the park.
Great video, and excellent take on a ride that I think gets overlooked at Cedar Point, I wouldn’t be surprised it Cedar Fair decided to relocate that ride to another park that you mentioned, I think it could fit in well at a place like Valley Fair or Michigan’s Adventure, great video once again!!!
I hope to get on Rougarou next year (and Corkscrew, Raptor, etc, since I haven't been on any inverting coasters yet), but my brother and mom have said it's quite rough; she had to hold her head to not get banged around. Anyway, if you see this, are there some spots on Rougarou that are rougher than others?
Send it to Michigan’s adventure, they definitely need an expansion using all the open land they have next to it. Then I would replace it will either a record breaking tilt coaster, rmc raptor, or possibly a smaller scale 500ft roller coaster concept
Right I wish that Wicked Twister would have gotten relocated there.
Valid points! Thanks for sharing!
@@ArrowThrills I know, they could have just gotten a next generation version of that ride. Similar to the legendary twin dragon over in china, but faster, taller and longer than that
Michigan's Adventure's main issue will always be Cedar Point. Any investment into MA competes with CP, as CP pulls a ton of it's foot traffic from the state of Michigan.
Cedar Fair will likely have to shed some dead weight with the Six Flags merger, and not only would Michigan's Adventure be a prime candidate, the park itself would benefit from a management company that's actually interested in developing the park.
I agree with most of the suggestions there. I was going to bring up how Rougarou wouldn't fit at Knott's, not just because of the park's very limited space, but because SFMM is only a one and a half to a two hour drive away and it offers a very similar experience and layout with Scream! (Silver Bullet on the other hand at least does have a very different layout than Batman), but Michigan's Adventure, Canada's Wonderland, and Valleyfair make way more sense.
If they do move it to CW it would be a good replacement for the aging Dragon Fyre
Truly hope you are the only person who wants the Cedar Creek Mine Ride removed. The C²MR. is the the best front row experience of any coaster at CP. An RMC'd Gemini is what we should be asking for
Cedar Point is my local park Rougarou is often a walkon. Its not a terrible ride, but its rough in the second half. There are a hand full of die hard fans but I would not be sad to see it go. Realistically if they were to put the vest restraints on instead of the hard foam overheads it would remove the headbanging most people complain about. I say change restraints or move it, but you are correct. The 4 you listed at cedar point are ready to go, we have a soft spot for gemini but it has been having issues last two years with going down or needing to run one train only. Seems like if they had the intentions to keep the coaster they would fix the issue. I feel they are limping it along.
100% agree with everything you have stated. The next 20 years will make or break CP as the GOAT of amusement parks.
#bringbackmantis
I say restore it to a standup coaster now that we have that new surf coaster technology!
Now here’s my crazy idea: Firstly repaint and retheme it, take out the lift hill entirely just leaving a portion of the drop, and make it start with a launch into a treble clef element that attaches to the drop and the rest of the ride, essentially transforming it into a surf coaster.
Y’all don’t know how badly I want this
Trains are too heavy unfortunately.
@@rmasterstudios I’m sure they could figure something out
B&m said the surf’s trains aren’t compatible with old school standups
@@Project_Storm1999 “essentially transforming it into a surf coaster” not an actual surf coaster train, just the technology that makes stand up coasters comfortable.
My point is B&M took the chance at making new stand up coaster technology and it worked out, now there’s more potential for what they could do with it.
It’s comparable to how they put the vest restraints on their new dive coasters
I've ridden this about 20-25 times in the past month. Just rode it last night in fact.
Love the back row
I like Rougaro alot. I have no problems with head banging. I grab the top of the shoulder restraints and pull myself up and out of the way. I think Corkscrew and Gemini need to go after finishing their 50th years. IF they move Rougaro it would awesome to go to Michigan's Adventure, but theyd HAVE to have an immediate replacement. If iron dragon stays i think a Vekoma Flyer that interacts with Iron Dragon would be SUPERB. Call it Dragon Slayer!! A coaster like Lech should replace corkscrew
Having a reliable capability eater is pretty nice in that section of the park. Gemini leaving makes to much sense its basically in the middle of 2 plots of land and it probably has less life left than any other ride in the park
Somewhere, I have a press release and 2 nice buttons from when Rougaru was announced as "Banshee" that would be changed to Mantis. Do you think that would be worth anything?
Relocate! It's not a bad coaster, it just doesn't fit at CP. My personal bias says move it to MiA.
That would be a great fit!
MiA needs much love this would help it
Not happening. Cedar Fair sees MA as a water park with attached FECs that happen to include coasters. They're lucky to have a coaster with more than 2 inversions, and they're more likely to get the Boomerang from WoF than Rougarou.
A lot more options now 😅
I had almost the exact same thoughts about Rougarou during my last visit to Cedar Point this year. It would be a top ride at most parks, while it sort of gets lost in the mix a little bit at Cedar Point
Hot take alert!!!!! Remove Frontier Land, the petting zoo, and SR Expedition to put in 1 or 2 more coasters/rides. I keep seeing vids with CP coaster removal speculation. But what about the massive no ride zone from Millennium Force to Thunder Canyon? There is so much land and ride potential for this area. Would the majority of GP really miss Toot Sweets, or the glass blowing demo? Frontier Land is always a walk through for most people. I feel with the new Boardwalk area now open, Frontier Land is even more of a ghost town. This way they could keep every coaster and add a couple more. Or what about the plot of land behind the makeshift fence at the food truck hub? If you're on Rougarou you can see the land aching for a new coaster. Cedar Point definitely has land options to build more rides.
Valid take. I personally love the area but I get what you’re saying
I really hope it doesnt get removed. I like this ride so much better than rides like Gatekeeper. Its reliable and is so underrated. Especially a great ride to get on when the "bigger" rides are shut down.
I don't see them relocating it. I think they will definitely replace corkscrew and Gemini first. Mine ride and Iron Dragon may stay simply because they are nice relaxing coasters for those that don't like the extreme rides. There's a lot of land to make use of before they remove this, even then I see Snake River Falls and Thunder Canyon going before it as well. The only potential removing this has is openening up a new bridge to Millennium Island should they choose to use it.
Valid points! Thanks for watching!!
Gemini is not leaving
The four coasters you mentioned as candidates for removal are all great rides for people who are just starting to get into coasters, or for those who don’t really like the bigger, crazier rides. Those shouldn’t be removed imo.
If Rougarou were ever to be re-located, would it make sense for them to alter the second half of the layout? Because most of the complaints are from the second half of the ride. Maybe whoever were to take it, could put gradual turns after the mid-course brake run. Just a thought.
It's been almost 25 years since Cedar Point constructed Millennium Force. It's long overdue for Cedar Point to construct a new record breaking out and back coaster.
They spent the last couple decades building gimick coasters.
Mantis debuted the first year I went to Cedar Point and fell in love with Rollercoasters! I bought a shirt on the trip that said "Grand Slam" and had Mantis, Raptor, Magnum and Mean Streak advertised as their top 4 coasters - creating the Grand Slam!
The coaster has always been great, the over the head restraint is the problem. Just like Raptor, your head takes a beating every ride. At 5 foot 7 inches my head gets bashed side to side, my brother 6' 1" can rest his shoulders at the top of the restraints and be ok. Make it like Gatekeeper and it would be great. Move it for a new coaster if space is need great. Most people skip it not wanting the headache after riding.
Yeah there is some head banging for sure
Of course it gets overlooked. It's current color scheme causes it to blend in with its surroundings. If they returned it to its Mantis color scheme, it would stand out more.
Knott’s would be perfect as due to their limited space, they would want to change it out in 15-20 years anyway, no re-tracking necessary! With all their problems with their coasters lately, they also desperately need something that is reliable and will run without issues!!
Iron Dragon needs to be protected, Arrow suspended coasters are so rare and is a great step up for younger riders or those who don't need/want something something super intense, it's also pretty accommodating for larger guests. Gemini.. I'm very bias on since its been my favorite ride since I was a kid. I don't see Rougaru staying much longer than its service life. Having worked it, the line was barely 10 minutes every time. Its great to have in the line up for variety, but I don't see them investing in its future, personally.
While true the land behind high roller is prone to flooding, flood waters rarely come up to where the old haunt attractions were in this area. Plus, I was told by a former GM that only the station cannot be in a flood prone area. Any track supports could be build there if they could find a way to keep the station on dry ground.
Replacing track isn't effective if not in the same location. With rides like Hulk and Nemesis, they are using the same ride footers. A relocation and track replacement still requires that element of construction. They might as well build a new coaster because all they'd have is the lift hill and break run/station track for a relocation and retrack. If Cedar Point removes Rougarou it could be a Firehawk situation. That said I suspect Rougarou has more service life than we would expect. It's not a year round park like Universal or built into a big pit like Nemesis.
I love Rougarou
IDK why I always feel like Rougaru should just be awesome, but after I ride it I'm like meh. I don't know what it is about it. I enjoy riding Iron Dragon a whole lot more. But I feel like I shouldn't. Weird.
To me replacing Rougarou makes sense because Valraven despite being a dive coaster is also a floorless and I feel like the inversions are similar enough. The dive is what sets the ride apart to me but I don’t think that’s enough. Maybe that’s just me.
Going to be honest I did not expect to see Canada's Wonderland make it to this list. Although it wouldn't be a bad replacement for Flight Deck I feel like the park could benefit from something better than a relocated floorless coaster.
That being said one park I feel like that could really benefit from Rougarou is Worlds of Fun. The only looping coaster they have at the park that isn't inverted is Boomerang. There are also no floorless coasters anywhere else in Missouri. The closest floorless coaster to Worlds of Fun would also be Superman: Krypton Coaster at Six Flags Fiesta Texas (approximately over a 12 hour drive from the park).
Looking back though instead of giving Mantis the floorless treatment back in 2015 Cedar Fair should of relocated the coaster before giving it the floorless conversion.
Great Vid. Rougarou is an hour & 15 mins away from me. If they move it to Michigan's Adventure, I'd be pumped to go to Western Michigan.
If Cedar Point moved Mine Ride or even their troika I'd be happy. Just something new for people over 48" man lol
I think they'll probably keep it there til it's done... Plus, it being a refurbed Stand -up, its not an upper tier floorless to begin with, so I can't really see other parks really even wanting it, especially considering its within a decade of running out the clock.
I think it's a pretty fun ride though it is admittedly overshadowed. I don't know that Cedar Point really needs to move it per se but only because it's footprint is small enough that I don't think it would make enough room to do something on the scale you'd hope for from Cedar Point. But I guess a compact MACK multi launch or Vekoma could work in its spot. But I'm not sure that would be the kind of thing that would draw much attention from the general public. But if you incorporated a few of the little pocket areas next to the you could maybe fit something bigger in there.
I think they should relocate
Great video about a forgotten coaster. It may not be a top 5 coaster at Cedar Point, but it would be at almost any other park. I think your prediction of 2050 is very generous, I think we will see it gone before 2040 if I had to make a guess and probably closer to 2036. You're completely correct about the parks you picked as well, with the exception of Canada's Wonderland (which has more than enough coasters, but it still clearly says something about the quality of their collection if Rougarou going to instantly become one of the best coasters in the park if it's moved there). I always enjoy the insight and reasoning you put into these videos, and I agree with the majority of it in this case
This ride is so underrated!
I rode both Mantis and Rougarou and Rougarou beat me up just as much as Mantis did lol. I think Rougarou would be a much better ride if B&M made vest restraints for it and could become more popular wherever it may end up going.
Rougarou doesn't belong in the same conversation with dominator! Finally made it to KD this past July. Dominator was the biggest surprise for me. Blows rougarou away.
It’s a great ride for sure!
I can't name one memorable floorless coaster ride
My Top ones to remove. Raptor. maxium XL-200 and Corkscrew, Iron Dragon... would be the ones i remove before Rougarou.
Relocating would be best. It’s a great ride and would be a great fit in many parks. No my favorite ride when we visit CP, but if the park is packed, Rougarou will have a short line.
The only park that could realistically receive Rougarou is Worlds of Fun, and there are better ground-up options CF could choose from. And like others have said, Cedar Point needs its people-eaters. Wouldn't be shocked if Raptor gets retracked before Rougarou is removed.
I love Roygarou, I'd love to see it go to KI!
I think Rougarou should be relocated to Kings Island. I think it would be a nice fit, and it would get more riders since Kings Island is a small park, and its easy to get to all of the coasters without being worn out from all the walking.
With the mention of rebuilding it because of age, what about Magnum?
I walked onto Rougaru in September. It's a solid ride, but a little rough. It's way better as a floorless coaster.
Last time I rode this, I was that one height where every time it shakes your ear bones get kind of crushed in your skull, but the layout was fun. That kind of ruined the ride experience for me though.
This ride is incredibly rough in certain rows, so if they do decide to remove it maybe between 2025-2030 they could build a massive giga right next to the original giga
A mack giga or RMC t-rex would be amazing.
Frontier town has maverick and steel vengeance. Each area of cedar point should have two great roller coasters. The park is that good. Millennium force needs a partner and rougarou isn’t it. I’d add a gerstlauer or Mach ride. Actually, something similar to skyrush as a compact intense ride would make sense there. On the other side of the midway, dragster should awaken that area. However they really need to get rid of corkscrew and add something better. I dislike magnum and actually really like Gemini, but I doubt they remove magnum. I’d love to see a ride that extends over the lake somehow. Magnum is your closest thing but is dainty. I wouldn’t remove Gemini. I’d remove corkscrew and the power tower and add something with a beyond vertical drop that is record breaking for height.
I honestly wouldn't miss any of the coasters built before the 90s.
Put it at MICHIGAN'S Adventure!!!
Why would they want to remove a perfectly fine B&M? Doesn't make much sense when they've got a pile of hot garbage like Corkscrew. I see Corkscrew going before Rougarou... that or Cedar creek mine ride or maybe Gemini.
The only reason why they would if they decide to relocate the coaster somewhere else.
@@KeepRidinCoasters I understand the premise, but why would a park even want to put the time and money into it knowing its probably nearing the end of its service life... they could just about build something else ground up by the time they paid to relocate and refurbish it... I don't see a park wanting to just put it in without completely redoing it , becsuse they're not going to get but maybe a decade out of it the way it is.
@@KeepRidinCoasters Yeah I get what you're saying, but I guess what I'm getting at is by the time they paid to relocate it, then paid to refurbish it (being 30 years old I don't see a way to get around refurbing it, because otherwise they'd be paying all that money for something just for a few years before its out of service life), they could go ahead and building something ground up from RMC, or Zamperla, or any of the less expensive manufacturers. Especially given their recent love for Zamperla. You're looking at probably at least 12 to 15 million dollars to relocate and refurb Rougarou... they could build a decent brand new coaster from a smaller manufacturer for right around that same number.
It just don't seem like good business sense to me.
I really like Rougarou! Is it a top 5 ride for me? No, not at all. But what it has going for it is that it's super solid, eats people, and gets better and better the more people are on it. I once rode it 13 times in a day and I discovered that in the 7th row, you actually get some airtime!
Imo, Michigan's Adventure should take this, they haven't had a new coaster of any kind in years, their last new coaster was in 2008 and it too was a relocation, a Vekoma SLC, Thunderhawk. Idk any other CF park that has gone that long without a new ride whatsoever.
Also, 3 of the 4 other rides you mentioned I don't think are going away, Corkscrew was a foundational coaster for Cedar Point, that's why it's still there, it's a history piece, Gemini is similar to Blue Streak in terms of local loving popularity, and Cedar Creek Mine Ride is a mine train coaster which are always needed rides in every park much like kiddy coasters, they're perfect for kids who need a bit more of an intense ride than a wacky worm. Iron Dragon while legendary is a suspended coaster by Arrow, with increasingly expensive and rare parts. It's footprint also looks bigger from the top down pov, Rougarou being a B&M says it all, it's reliable, the parts are still plenty, and floorless models are still popular.
I just wish they would clean up the pond in the Rougarou area
Rougaru, iron dragon, gemini, and corkscrew are question marks for me when visiting cedar points. Rougaru is by far the best coaster on this list. But it's nearly a walk on which is the reason it's on this list. Good ride, not great. But not good enough for the landlocked cedar point.
I agree
This is very interesting thank you
I love watching your videos
A RMC T-Rex replacement would be awesome and makes sense for Cedar Point
I think Rougaru will stay at Cedar Fair until the end of it's service life though Kings Island and Worlds of Fun both do lack outdoor full circuit non-inverted coasters that have at least one inversion.
have a love hate relationship for it, there are stunning views and the first drop is amazing, but after that the layout it is just too rough and useless, and the only plus to this ride is the wait times, the longest I have waited is 10 mins, and on Monday's and Tuesdays when the park is dead, they are always running 3 train opps, which is rare, but still enjoyable because there is a lot of shade near the station.
I rode it back in 1996 when it was Mantis. I thought it was great
Rougarou go Michigan adventure
I’ve been saying for years how good of a fit this would be at Michigans Adventure. MA is an hour from my house and we only usually go there for a single day every other year, and mostly for the waterpark. Rougarou is a good ride and under appreciated at CP. It would fit SO nice at MA and cost much less than a ground up coaster, and compliment Thunderhawk (which I actually like) quite well. This would also free up space at CP for the next big thing. Michigans Adventure is a disappointment, there’s no way to sugar coat it, but Rougarou could give it a little bit of life support, and if they then decided to retrack ST and RMC Wolverine Wildcat, then they all of a sudden have a nice little regional park without a huge investment.
Good point and rougarou is under the 200 ft height restriction at Michigan's adventure. They really should have relocated wicked twister there but I think it was too tall!
So many coasters such as this could go from good to great with simple ride and restraint redesigns!
Dominator is my favorite of the Floorless Coasters I’ve ridden
Thing hardly breaks down. Even as Mantis, the ride has always performed solidly. One of those rides where it isn’t the greatest, but not the worst. CP would have no reason to remove it other than desperately needing that area for something.
I've never ridden this one but, I love the Mine ride and the Iron Dragon! I'm a wimp, so if they get rid of those I won't have a " coaster" 😁😁
I don't think I would miss it. Cedar point doesn't need it anymore, and while it is one of the better floorless conversions it still feels a bit off, especially in the second half. It might actually have been better as Mantis in my opinion but that still wasn't good. For me its a bottom 3 coaster at cedar point, with corkscrew and cedar creek mine train being a contender for the worst. While it could be a good fit for Michigan's adventure and a couple of the other neglected parks, I think for most of the other cedar fair parks the millions it would cost to relocate it would likely be better spent on something else. Possibly if they move it somewhere else they can possibly can make it a 4 across surf coaster, and restore the original heartline profile.
Relocate it to Michigan’s Adventure
I’m going to Kings Island today and I hope Rougarou does not move
Enjoy KI!!
Wow, I never even heard of this coaster, I never been there but I watch allot of theme park videos haha
Move it to Michigan's Adventure. That park is STARVING for something.....I mean anything.....new!!! LOL
This ride is a guaranteed headache for me. Every. Time. I want to like it SO badly but it just bangs my head around so bad. Can they make that better? If so, I'd ride it every trip to the park!
They can change the restraints to have more room and no headbanging. Same thing with raptor
They could but that would require $ loo
I don't think, this will every happen. Many like rougru. I see gimi, cork screw and mine ride going first. I really like rougrau.
I do to
I hope they don’t remove corkscrew to be honest. I think they should refurbish it instead
I agree it's was the first of its kind, its a landmark. On top of that the corkscrew over the midway is still one of my favorite sight lines.
CP loves to remake rides lately, I think your on to something. Re make Corkscrew so it is smoother, new trains and a 2035 layout fit for the future and remembering the past...
I went to Cedar Point for the first time in a few years and road all the big coasters. Rougarou and valraven are definitely the most boring of the big coasters. I also road both of those directly after Steel Vengeance which is one of the best coasters in the world so that probably didn’t help😂
Send to Michigan adventures
As Cedar Point as my home park, I vote Corkscrew should be the first ride removed. I can't even ride it being tall. I almost got my legs stuck in the mine ride this year too, but that is a better kid ride than corkscrew imo.
i doubt this ride will leave it will probably stay until the end of crdar point because its not a bad ride
It banged my head and ears the entire time.
Top 4 at Carowinds?
It could beat out copperhead strike as number 4. Wouldn't beat out fury, afterburn or intimidator though. That being said I'd love a floorless or sit-down b&m at Carowinds like a Kraken or incredible hulk type
I’m a big B&M defender. No manufacturer is as consistently good as them.
*But f(&k Rougarou.* This recycled stand up piece of s=$t is as rough as the current housing market.
The final inversion snapped my head so hard against the restraints I seen stars. Not metaphorically, my vision was flashing for a good 2min. And everything before that wasn’t comfortable either.
This ride is so much worse than corkscrew. Hell, I’d rather ride KD’s Anaconda again than this.