Video Summary: Kinetic Chain :41 delays take back and even before he has racquet all the way back he starts rotating his body, causes racquet and arm to come through like sling shot. 1:40 to get lag top synchronizes rotation of body with supination of arm. 1:59 error that his student makes is when he takes racquet back the first thing he does is supinate the arm and lays wrist back THEN he rotates into the shot, so he's not 1st rotating and 2nd supinating which creates the lag, its backwards. firing the body first is what is going to bring racquet through quickly Thanks Tom you're the best tennis channel on TH-cam, love how you think for yourself and don't just blindly give the mindless advice you hear from a lot of pros.
I think that if you have a relaxed grip and loose arm, when you turn your right shoulder to the ball, before accelerating the right arm will naturally supinate.
Watching more and more your video and explanations, I say well you nail it again!! So I now can get the 3 differences in each one of you. Also why you remark Ryan's very talented. The golf swing paralell clears it up to not forget it in a lifetime. Ryan's like that top golfer at first is subtly chaining other body parts that are already moving from a very slow to explosive speed rather PRIOR to ball contact ( to me I guess is more noticiable in his upper body, in the golfer I see it 1st in the upper and slowly goes down to the lower or maybe almost all is synced at once). Btw how aesthetic and stylish one can see it !! Full fluidity man!! You start the motion very synced but not prior to contact. And you never stop the arm not even a fraction of a second before going forward. That's why you look so fluid too. Nitzan as you point out does a bit of a stop in the backswing and his racquet goes backwards more noticiably but not because of that whiplash automatic lag but of his kinetics order. I've seen other players making that bit of a stop in the backswing and even so they get a quick lag and I don't see the racquet going further back. And since that old footage he's progress been high sound I can say. At this rapid rate he'll soon end up integrating your k.ch teachings. Keep working!! Human kinetics and kinestesics is amazing. That's why some researchers properly defined pretty good years ago that this bodily characteristic (the way some humans use it and get the most of it) must be among the 8 ( some say more) types of intelligence. Your're a maestro man. Say it again. 👏👏👏👏
I clearly see that Ryan Dickinson has a typical "next gen" fh which begins with a pretty ample semi circle right early at his side (varies with each player) that adds that extra amount of topspin and lag. And not everybody can get away with it. What I like about his is that the elbow does not go so high like many others. I've watched this type of swing a lot and I see that these players start the "takeback" as soon as the ball is on the cenit above the net, anytime later and things get complicated, eg. they have to adjust by compensating with the arm, shoulder etc. On the other hand, in a modern fh, like yours for instance, in general the unit turn can be done a little later, say when the ball is about to bounce. Now, if nextgen fh are with that high elbow ala Kyrgios or Sock or "old" Thiem fh, well they all are in trouble with fast and deep balls. You can see it everytime in matches, they simply can't produce a clean and fluid shot. They compensate a lot with the arm going steeply upwards. They do display power when have a bit of time at least. I'd say Jannik Sinner is a hybrid with this type of fh. His elbow swing is not THAT big, I'd say is pretty lower but his forehand lag especially with that wrist that seems to break and bend like a rubber is so brutal and so are his shots.
Watching the video the way you all engage the left arm and shoulder is interesting (something I have heard other coaches encourage with the catching the racket, or that belt with the rubber bands you attach to your left wrist). In that it looks like Ryan > You > Nitzan.
From what I can see, the difference between Dickerson's FH and yours (and your student's) is that his FH uses gravity to generate racquet head speed, i.e, the "racquet drop," which, in conjunction with a relaxed arm, is what creates the lag. He takes the racquet back high, lets it drop as he bends his legs and uses the ground as an additional source of power. The lag is a byproduct of good technique.
Hi Tom, correct me if I am wrong in what I see. What I see in the forward phase of the swing is that the top players "pull" the racquet forward not "push" the racquet forward, apart from the other things you have mentioned. Thanks for videos , highly informative
Well pulling is often what amateurs do. I think there is a pulling motion there but there’s a fine line. Would you say a baseball pitcher pulls his arm in to throw fast?
Hey coach! Hope you’re doing well. I feel like I have more control when I only think about rotating my shoulders through the shot rather than when I think about rotating my shoulders and supinating the arm. I feel like supination of the arm leads to inconsistent racquet face angles when contacting the ball and tires out my arm by taking stress off my core muscles. Do you know what i’m doing wrong? Thanks
So in a nutshell, in order to have good lag Keep the forearm in pronation UNTIL the forward swing starts. Keeping the wrist neutral or flexed at that moment helps, too ( like Kyrgios , Khachanov, Tiafoe).
@@ruggierojerolli Right at the moment when you start the explosive forward swing the forearm needs to be in pronation so that the racket flip back can occur by supination and wrist extension. Most WTA players don’t do that hence have no racket flip. Halep is a great example .
@@watcher687 If you freeze the exact moment just prior to the lag ( a good one) AND even the lag itself just before going forward, the forearm and upperarm are in supination (hand facing upwards). The fraction of a moment before going forward, the forearm all of a sudden starts pronating all the way through the contact and the follow through. I guess I'm pretty sure about that but I'd like Tom has a say.
Dickerson has a nice big C on the back swing going. Ur student seems to have a more linear / horizontal take back . I think this is partly because he is trying to force pace generation by pulling his pec , and relying less on hip / torso rotation ?? Dikersons shoulders turn square before his arm comes thru .... Meaning he is keeping his arm relaxed from the socket 👍 Btw.. the comparison shots are not the same.. Ryan has been filmed hitting hip high balls while ur student has a higher contact pt.... Wonder if this is causing excess pectoral pulling 🧐
Of course, coming from a coach, the care of detail put into understanding is definitely different. However I disagree with all those pronation and supernation stuff. My theory and I think I'm right, is that the higher level you go (meaning you want to have easy power and consistency), the more you have to let go of controlling your arm. Because it is simply not practical nor making any sense to do so. I would say that the lag is more dependent on where you are trying to hit instead of the power of the shot.
There's another difference that I'm noticing now: your student's swing isn't inside to outside. It's more outside to inside. it's why his contact point is so much farther in front than Dickerson's contact point.
when you speak about nitzan are you generally saying that he lays his wrist back too early, almost intentionally, instead of just letting it happen it naturally thru the shot
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Video Summary: Kinetic Chain
:41 delays take back and even before he has racquet all the way back he starts rotating his body, causes racquet and arm to come through like sling shot.
1:40 to get lag top synchronizes rotation of body with supination of arm.
1:59 error that his student makes is when he takes racquet back the first thing he does is supinate the arm and lays wrist back THEN he rotates into the shot, so he's not 1st rotating and 2nd supinating which creates the lag, its backwards. firing the body first is what is going to bring racquet through quickly
Thanks Tom you're the best tennis channel on TH-cam, love how you think for yourself and don't just blindly give the mindless advice you hear from a lot of pros.
Oh - synchronize the torso rotation AND the supination. This is new for me. Makes all sense!!!
I watched Ryan win that finals match at our club here in Philly suburbs. He was unbelievable!
I think that if you have a relaxed grip and loose arm, when you turn your right shoulder to the ball, before accelerating the right arm will naturally supinate.
Watching more and more your video and explanations, I say well you nail it again!! So I now can get the 3 differences in each one of you. Also why you remark Ryan's very talented. The golf swing paralell clears it up to not forget it in a lifetime.
Ryan's like that top golfer at first is subtly chaining other body parts that are already moving from a very slow to explosive speed rather PRIOR to ball contact ( to me I guess is more noticiable in his upper body, in the golfer I see it 1st in the upper and slowly goes down to the lower or maybe almost all is synced at once). Btw how aesthetic and stylish one can see it !! Full fluidity man!!
You start the motion very synced but not prior to contact. And you never stop the arm not even a fraction of a second before going forward. That's why you look so fluid too.
Nitzan as you point out does a bit of a stop in the backswing and his racquet goes backwards more noticiably but not because of that whiplash automatic lag but of his kinetics order.
I've seen other players making that bit of a stop in the backswing and even so they get a quick lag and I don't see the racquet going further back. And since that old footage he's progress been high sound I can say. At this rapid rate he'll soon end up integrating your k.ch teachings. Keep working!!
Human kinetics and kinestesics is amazing. That's why some researchers properly defined pretty good years ago that this bodily characteristic (the way some humans use it and get the most of it) must be among the 8 ( some say more) types of intelligence.
Your're a maestro man. Say it again. 👏👏👏👏
I clearly see that Ryan Dickinson has a typical "next gen" fh which begins with a pretty ample semi circle right early at his side (varies with each player) that adds that extra amount of topspin and lag. And not everybody can get away with it. What I like about his is that the elbow does not go so high like many others.
I've watched this type of swing a lot and I see that these players start the "takeback" as soon as the ball is on the cenit above the net, anytime later and things get complicated, eg. they have to adjust by compensating with the arm, shoulder etc.
On the other hand, in a modern fh, like yours for instance, in general the unit turn can be done a little later, say when the ball is about to bounce.
Now, if nextgen fh are with that high elbow ala Kyrgios or Sock or "old" Thiem fh, well they all are in trouble with fast and deep balls. You can see it everytime in matches, they simply can't produce a clean and fluid shot. They compensate a lot with the arm going steeply upwards. They do display power when have a bit of time at least. I'd say Jannik Sinner is a hybrid with this type of fh. His elbow swing is not THAT big, I'd say is pretty lower but his forehand lag especially with that wrist that seems to break and bend like a rubber is so brutal and so are his shots.
Watching the video the way you all engage the left arm and shoulder is interesting (something I have heard other coaches encourage with the catching the racket, or that belt with the rubber bands you attach to your left wrist). In that it looks like Ryan > You > Nitzan.
From what I can see, the difference between Dickerson's FH and yours (and your student's) is that his FH uses gravity to generate racquet head speed, i.e, the "racquet drop," which, in conjunction with a relaxed arm, is what creates the lag. He takes the racquet back high, lets it drop as he bends his legs and uses the ground as an additional source of power. The lag is a byproduct of good technique.
Very good and thoughtful analysis. 👍👏🎾
He is very relaxed so yes the racket will fall and get fired quicker
Hi Tom, correct me if I am wrong in what I see. What I see in the forward phase of the swing is that the top players "pull" the racquet forward not "push" the racquet forward, apart from the other things you have mentioned. Thanks for videos , highly informative
Well pulling is often what amateurs do. I think there is a pulling motion there but there’s a fine line. Would you say a baseball pitcher pulls his arm in to throw fast?
@@TomAllsopp pull the racket would be equivalent to pull the ball not pull the arm!
@@peoplespeace why?
Great video as always !!! Come on Nitzan synch that shit up we all rooting for !!! Put these vids on loop and sleep with headphones on!!!!
what is the red small head size racket ...for improving contact..?
Hey coach! Hope you’re doing well. I feel like I have more control when I only think about rotating my shoulders through the shot rather than when I think about rotating my shoulders and supinating the arm. I feel like supination of the arm leads to inconsistent racquet face angles when contacting the ball and tires out my arm by taking stress off my core muscles. Do you know what i’m doing wrong? Thanks
So in a nutshell, in order to have good lag
Keep the forearm in pronation UNTIL the forward swing starts.
Keeping the wrist neutral or flexed at that moment helps, too ( like Kyrgios , Khachanov, Tiafoe).
Not pronation. I believe is Supination.
@@ruggierojerolli
Right at the moment when you start the explosive forward swing the forearm needs to be in pronation so that the racket flip back can occur by supination and wrist extension.
Most WTA players don’t do that hence have no racket flip. Halep is a great example .
@@watcher687 If you freeze the exact moment just prior to the lag ( a good one) AND even the lag itself just before going forward, the forearm and upperarm are in supination (hand facing upwards). The fraction of a moment before going forward, the forearm all of a sudden starts pronating all the way through the contact and the follow through. I guess I'm pretty sure about that but I'd like Tom has a say.
Yes pronate supinate pronate like a maniac
Tom, gift some more Ryan's forehand footage and slowmos. Find it awesome.
Please make a video on how to become 6'2" 180 lbs with perfect vision and timing.
Dickerson has a nice big C on the back swing going. Ur student seems to have a more linear / horizontal take back . I think this is partly because he is trying to force pace generation by pulling his pec , and relying less on hip / torso rotation ??
Dikersons shoulders turn square before his arm comes thru .... Meaning he is keeping his arm relaxed from the socket 👍
Btw.. the comparison shots are not the same.. Ryan has been filmed hitting hip high balls while ur student has a higher contact pt.... Wonder if this is causing excess pectoral pulling 🧐
Strings pointing to side fence on the first move 👍🏻
Gold nuggets as usual!
Of course, coming from a coach, the care of detail put into understanding is definitely different. However I disagree with all those pronation and supernation stuff. My theory and I think I'm right, is that the higher level you go (meaning you want to have easy power and consistency), the more you have to let go of controlling your arm. Because it is simply not practical nor making any sense to do so. I would say that the lag is more dependent on where you are trying to hit instead of the power of the shot.
Hello sir can you give some feedback 🙏
There's another difference that I'm noticing now: your student's swing isn't inside to outside. It's more outside to inside. it's why his contact point is so much farther in front than Dickerson's contact point.
when you speak about nitzan are you generally saying that he lays his wrist back too early, almost intentionally, instead of just letting it happen it naturally thru the shot
Yes
th-cam.com/video/cgFde2VuRIA/w-d-xo.html this is Dr Don… lol
@@TomAllsopp wowwww 🤣🤣🤣 thanks for a good laugh
@@92edro work your way through a few others. Absolute gold.
I love this distinction between (1) the amount of lag the pros have, and (2) a more realistic amount of lag to shoot for.
You've got more of a Country Class Forehand eh
I don’t know what that means but it’s class for sure
@@TomAllsopp not quite world class so its country class get it
@@mukundmadabhushi5550 oh sorry, after last weeks shenanigans in Nashville I was thinking country country
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