Mixing Shrimp Colors - Neocaridina Genetics
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- Mixing colors of shrimp, talking Neocaridina genetics, and trying to create my own red rili line.
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Would be cool if the reds and the blues would create a purple.
Lol yeah, too bad it doesn't work like that
Seen some people getting purples, but no real info on how they came about. One person said they were from their black shrimps…
@@Shleeeempi actully second this i got 3 purp shrimp out of like 100 from my black rose and blue dreams breeding
Is there any way i can get green shrimp?
@@tarundasniper yes..he explains it in the video on the chart
how to do it
Great that you are breeding your own lines, truly the best way to go!
Lol, I hope so, I'm sure it will take a while, but almost all rilis that I see available are not that great anyways.
Awesome dude, I love this mixing experimentation stuff! So cool, I cannot wait to see updates on this project! Its one of my favorite things. I will def be buying some reds and blue jelly's from you now to try to make rili's myself!
Thanks man, hoping some cool stuff starts popping up. Gonna continue to work on culling out the yellows and wilds, and probably end up adding more. There are 1000s of shrimp in that tank, the val leaves are covered in shrimp. While shooting the video there weren't many red rilis out and about, but there are quite a few more in there, was looking last night and saw several out and about, a couple that were pretty nice. Will wait until I see a good number of nice rilis, when I do Ill pull them out and start a new tank.
Youve really given me so much knowledge that its just melded and become basic knowledge to me at this point. I use tap for my shrimp and thought when transferring from tank to tank they would be shocked or something. Even though temps are the same, substrate is the same, some of the same plants. I tried just adding 6 from my project to my display tank and they were doing fine! I henceforth have moved 280 cherries to my display XD thinking of moving my embers there to enhance the tank but afraid of them eating baby shrimps. Its a 20 long with a dutch/ iwagumi hybrid scape with stems in the back, rocks in the middle and a carpet in the front. The embers look pregnant too. Going to be an exciting next few weeks :D
Maybe try 1 or 2 and see how aggressive they are with the shrimp, if its not a big deal then go for it. They will get some, but if its a big thriving colony they'll probably be ok. Unless they are active shrimp hunters.
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Very cool. Thinking this is the direction I want to do with my blue jelly tank. Fun to just have a bit more variety in there, but also have that variety productive in creating something fun.
Sounds fun, if I were you I would start another tank, if you put reds with jellies and jellies will not be as good, but if thats what you want, its your tank lol. My goal is to start a red rili and hopefully blue red rili lines, but also offer them as a mix eventually.
@@MarkShellyAquatics if I had tank space I would definitely do that! But for now I just enjoy watching them and if the genetics mix weird I am okay with it. But I will probably have another big tank in a year or two and I know just who to order some awesome blue Jelly’s from. 😉
I like the Green Jades with the gold back stripe. They look pretty cool.
That is actually how most green jades look 👍
great video and dude thats alot of shrimp.
Thanks
Awesome video! You ever think about combing through the skittles tank to see what all different kinds of rili's are in there?
Lol yeah, I got lots in there, but who knows whats in there and what the genetic background is on those skittles. Wanted to it mixing my somewhat pure lines, the reds are far from pure, but more pure than something in the skittles tank lol.
I was finding some green rilis in skittles tank a while back and thought about separating but never did as tank space is always limited, wanna do some breeding experimental tanks, red rilis will be one of those. Hopefully blue red rilis too
Biology class 101. Great info. Curious too see in the future the results.
Lol, thanks Viola. Should be fun, gonna set up 3 or 4 tanks as experimental breeding tanks here before too long. Tank 1 will be the red rilis I get out of here, and hopefully get get some red blue rilis for another tank.
This is a pretty cool video, thanks for posting it. I'm about to start setting up a tank for Neocaridina. It's a pain but I have to use RO water because my tap water is just about liquid rock. I've pretty much limited the choice down to a pure blue line or a batch of Carbon Rili. Since it'll be my only tank, I was thinking that I might get a nice variety out of the Carbon Rilis. Is that a good guess, or am I off track here? I don't want to mix anything, I just don't have the room.
What neo shrimp line you want is personal preference. Personally not a fan of most rili lines since they're all over the place and its much easier to keep solid lines in my opinion. But its personal preference.
@@MarkShellyAquatics Thanks for the reply. Yes, that's was what I was thinking, so thanks for confirming.
My red cherries have been throwing out a few gorgeous red rilis and red blue rilis. I am trying to stabilise the rili line and see how it goes from there.
That's awesome man. My reds was the first line I ever got, got them from Lucas Bretz over 5 years ago. Never once have they ever thrown any kind of rili (until the blue jellies mixed in), or any kind of blue whatsoever, pretty crazy. I've had several colonies with them over the years keeping various grades and standards in different colonies, never a blue or a rili lol.
I’m mixing color I Been looking to see what I get I have a schoko with a red Rili and cherry super informative
It may depend on the red rili heritage. I get red rilis from reds and jellies, but also got them from my blackrose culls.
You'll have to try it out. More than likely youll get a lot of wilds, but you never know, something cool may pop up then you try to do something with those.
I have babies that are about 3 months old. Mom was a red rili, dad was a ghost shrimp. They are speckled red and clear, mostly red. The red is super rich.
Neos didn't breed wiith ghost shrimp .that is an impossibility. Maybe what you're thinking is a ghost.shrimp is just a clear neo?
@@MarkShellyAquatics completely clear neocaridinas are sometimes called ghost shrimps
Do you fertilize the Val that grows in your tanks, or does it grow without fertilizer?
I put some plant spikes under it at first, once it took over tank I dont fertilize it. It spreads like crazy, especially after you trim the tops off
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Hey Mark,
Great video! I have some questions as I might be doing this experiment inadvertently myself. I have a 29 gallon tank and thought it would be fun to get a mix of shrimp: (2) amano, (5)”ghost”, (2)red, (1) blue. The red was berries for a long time and never saw eggs missing, ghost were berries off and on.
I now have (114) shrimp. As best as I can tell I have transparent shrimp which I assume was “ghost” children but also have clear and black striped, and nearly all black with a yellow stripe down the back. Are these ones with black from the original red and blue? The black with yellow stripe are now berried, do you think these will produce the same characteristics?
Regarding my population count and tank size, am I going to have a problem with overpopulation?
Thanks for your time!
Some shrimp sold as ghost can breed in fresh water, but many need brackish water for the babies to survive (similar but different species).. All amanos will need brackish to reproduce. Could possibly be ghost and neso.
If you mixed a red and blue, you could get anything, depending on the genetics of those shrimp.
Thanks Mark! Good rule of thumb on how many shrimp per gallon?
What's the deal with the striped back? I have some cherries with it. Old age? Bad genetics? Just always wondered what it means
In most lines its neither good or bad, few lines you dont want the back stripe, a few lines you do, but most lines its not good or bad, just happens especially with females as they get older.
How do you go about finding dead shrimps? Would they need to be taken out because they would alter the water parameters?
If you see one, remove it, but you may never see one since shrimp eat the dead ones. I very rarely see dead shrimp, with so many, dead ones that don't last long. If you see one, it should be removed. But dont worry about digging through tank looking for dead ones, unless you have an amonia issue and missing shrimp.
Am I understanding you saying your orange shrimp sometimes make reds? I have a strictly orange neocaridina tank but think other colors look cool too. I just don't want to mix them and get mostly brown. So I might naturally get greens AND reds one day?
Kind of, greens will be low grade, takes lots of refining to get good green.
@@MarkShellyAquatics I was more interested in the idea of seeing reds haha. I love red/orange/yellow but too scared to mix them in my one tank. Don't want my color to disappear.
@@ohhello937 yeah, I get reds fairly regularly in oranges
I currently have cherries mixed with blues, it spit out some choco looming juveniles. Have to separate the wilds/translucent ones to observe the next generation.
What kind of blues? Blue jellies as in blues from reds or blue dreams as blues from blacks?
@@MarkShellyAquatics Blue dreams. My blue dreams died out and I was left with only 4 males so I created another colony with them and some cherries maybe some fire reds also that I missed when I culled them.😂
Gotcha, reds and blue dreams are a lot different than reds and blue jellies. Jellies come from red lineage, while blue dreams are more along the lines of chocolate, black, and so on. You can expect probably mostly wilds with reds and blue dreams, but you may get something cool pop up, never know unless you try 👍
@@MarkShellyAquatics Yeah wilds tend to pop out more often, blues do come out at 1~3 in every brood. Have separated the wilds in a jungle val tank of their own, might use them for future back cross I guess.
So I breed a Superman shrimp who’s red and blue 🎉
Doing that too, well going for the red blue rilis wilth blue dreams and bloody mary
Where do you get the genetics charts?
Google Neocaridina family tree
Wish i had all these shrimp, i got like 20 rn mix of super blues, yellows, and reds i wish theyd breed more/faster so i can have more
Takes a while to get them going. If your shrimp are breeding, just give it time.
If i have a blue jelly female and a wild type male. What will I get? All wild type or will i get some kinda colors? Ive searched online but cant find my answer. I bought the wild type as a mistake-sold to me as amanos lol so now im stucj with 2 wild types and 1 blue jelly.
Hard to say, depends what the wild genetic ground is. Only way to find out is breed them out and see what happens. You'll probably at least get some lower grade blue jellies and who knows what else.
Also but do juvenile cherries look orange or is it just me ? Like they are just the age to become berried but are orange to me
They can look orange, most neos improve with color as they age, especially females in most lines.
I have a black rose egger from probably orange coparents. Not trying to grade just thought they looked like Halloween
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I’ve just recently set up a tank with 10 black rose and 4 orange rili
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@@MarkShellyAquatics any advice for a beginner? 😅 your tanks look amazing
@aburningbear3138 thank you
Most important thing shrimp like is stability, the more you can keep things tbe same and not mess with stuff the better your shrimp will do, and that means patience as well lol.
@@MarkShellyAquatics great, thank you! I’ll be subbing to follow along on your journey as well :)
What dose blue and green make ?
I aint tried that one yet
Do u have a blue dream and bloody mary mix tank I'm thinking of making a tank with them but I don't know how it's gonna come out
I dont know, I know bloody marys and blue dreams popped up in my blackrose line, but its hard to say man. Only way to know for sure is to try. You'll probably get lots of wilds, but you should expect that, but if you get cool stuff that pops up you can seperate those out and try and do something with them.
I just recently started a small project tank with the bloody mary and blue dream mix, hoping for the carbon blue rili's to produce, only about a month in, so no notable progress yet
How do you have so many shrimp? I just have 200-300
Big tanks, lots of food while maintaining water parameters with weekly water changes
Typically what happened when you mix bloody marry to orange?
Way different lines, no idea, but probably mostly wilds.
Can we breed orange and red neocaridina shrimp?!? If we can what will be the result?!?
All neos will breed together. Oranges are a mutation from reds, mixing them would probably result in wilds, reds, and oranges, but theu would be a pretty good combo to mix if you wanna mix them
@@MarkShellyAquatics well I hv 4 bloddy mary shrimp and 5 sun skicts orange shrimp and I am keeping them together. Thank you for answering my doubt!💖 I hope I get beautiful coloured ones
@@godzilla2523 bloody marys are not reds lol, you said red. Bloody marys are a totally different line and probably not good to mix with oranges.
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How to grow java moss bro
Lol, I don't know, I have pilo moss.
i love your videos because I like shrimp, i was from Tamil Nadu 😉
That chart is very outdated and incorrect btw
Also wont this destroy your red tanks genetics? i assume its all mix red grades
The basics of it are correct and I have experienced results to verify. This obviously was not an indepth deep dive, hut basics to help people with one of the questions I get asked the most.
I thought N.P. Does NOT breed with N.D. ? 2:00
All neos can breed together.
@@MarkShellyAquatics thank you I was given misinformation!
very weird tho that my blue dreams are not half as blue as my blue diamonds
Not sure what you are refferring to exactly, I've made lots and lots of videos on the subject and this one is from a while ago. You can have the same shrimp and have 4 sellers calling it 4 different names, just the nature of it. The way I understand it it diamonds should be better than dreams, so not sure what you are saying is weird lol.
@@MarkShellyAquatics sorry if u look at the schematic above it always goes from bad to better colored so I thought it meant that blue dreams were more colored 😅 sorry misunderstanding