I'm ANGRY over this! *HOUSE OF DRAGONS* FINALE!! (S1 - part three)
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Viserys walking into the throne room is still one of the most powerful scenes of the whole show, maybe even both shows.
him dropping the crown and Daemon putting it back on was improvised!only pick up take was the "Go on!" shot!amazing actors!!!!
Emmy for him or its all forfeit.
If Paddy isn't at least nominated for an Emmy then we riot!
HOD 1x8 episode is one of the best episodes in tv history. And pure pure GOT universe. It was flawless
HOTD and ROP had massive budgets for all kind of crazy VFX shots and yet nothing came close to the epicness of a dying old man walking to the throne trying to help his daughter one last time.
In the viserys death scene, he thought that he was still speaking to Rhaenyra. His illness left him very confused in time
In the "previously on" they do a little cut back to Rhaenyra where she takes the place of Alicent when Viserys is talking to Alicent.
He was talking to Aemma as he entered the Afterlife
dunno why this wasn't clearer to her lol. viserys has been drugged up on milk of the poppy so much that he's pretty out of it, but that last scene is a callback to rhaenyra coming to his bed the other night to talk about the prophecy. i'm a little disappointed that she didn't pick up "my love" being a reference to aemma as well.
I hope Natalie will notice this because it's a major plot twist
Won’t spoil
Most of it is not pleasant
Oh my god hearing Natalie say "Don't say it!" to Daemon saying "Say it." was a magical moment, lol.
The dragon Daemon was singing to was Vermithor. He's an unclaimed dragon who was once Jaehaerys Targaryen's. Most importantly, he's the second biggest dragon still living next to Vhagar.
No, third biggest
Yep, I think he is reacclimating the Bronze Fury to human contact so that his daughter can try to claim him.
stupid scene, they should've shown sunfyre or dreamfyre instead. better yet, they should've shown daeron or at least mentioned him
@@MayumiSaegusaShiba they couldve done both.
@@rtrslimjim no one knows how big the cannibal is. Speculation is just that vermithor and the cannibal are roughly the same size
Rhaenyra wasn't having a dream about a dragon. She's so connected to her dragon, Syrax, that it felt her pain/anguish.
You sure about that? Im not sure about that?
@@Outland9000 yes it’s Syrax feeling her pain
@@Outland9000 It's the same thing as with Daemon in the Stepstones. He took a fire arrow to the shoulder from which he still has the scar burn and at that moment Caraxes yelled out in pain
@@Outland9000 I think there’s some bond with Targaryen women and their dragons, the show runners released an image of her baby and it was scaly.. very similar to how Dany’s baby was described in GoT s1
@@stevenparker3952 I do like how the 'magic' in GRRM's World of Ice and Fire is not clear cut... Like, its messy and mysterious and doesn't always work, in fact it almost never works properly or as intended.
Viserys thought he was talking to Rhaenyra when speaking to Alicent which is why he said "it's you, the one to unite the realm." He was referring to Aegon the Conqueror, not his son.
Yeah, kind of stupid mistake for alicent to make considering there are two living Aegons and one previous one
@@airsoftpopcorn no to her it definitely sounds like viserys meant their son aegon....in one of the episodes before the time skips viserys mentions to alicent about his own dream that his son would be the king. so right now she is thinking he is referencing his own dream.. "aegons dream" really good writing and the misunderstanding on alicents behalf makes complete sense
When he says "It is true what he saw in the North" it also fits with him seeing a vision of Jon Snow telling Dani about what he saw with the Night King, Jon was also named Aegon and would have been The Prince. It read to be me like he was seeing a vision of Dani and Jon uniting the kingdom to fight but because Dani looks a lot like Rhaenyra it would be really confusing for him in his state.
@@masterfushi730 I agree I thought he was talking about Jon. I remember his name was Aegon too.
@@victoriajohn7079 he was indeed
"Gone and ALSO forgotten" 🤣 Elite edit. Well done sir.
Nat's editor is definitely the co-star of the channel.
When Visarys calls out," My Love."in his death throes, he's talking to Aemma. Plus, him walking to the throne on his own was one of the most compelling things in the whole series. Paddy should win an Emmy for that episode
viserys is a well written and acted instance of a horrible father and king, who deceives himself that he is well meaning, but really isn't. he is well meaning only to his daughter, to others, including his children by alicent, alicent herself, and his subjects, he is opposite of well meaning . he is a horrible father, husband and king. foreseeable consequences of his actions prove that clearly.
@@sitting_nut Wow, he was actually a very kind man, lol. He deteriorated because of his guilt over his wife, hence his My Love at the end. Wow, he may not have been the strongest king,but you are way off on about everything that you said. How could you misinterpret a character so terribly . Christ
@@brianmcmaster5112 seriously ? did you even watch the show ? its difficult to maintain viserys is well meaning and kind, in face of things he does. in the episode of his death he referred to rhaenyra as his "only child". due to viserys covering for them, rhaenyra and her children did not face consequences for their actions according to law. and inevitably leading to facing consequences, multiplied, through other means, as is always the case with injustice.
instead of administering justice, as he was duty bound as king, he was willing to go far beyond law to protect his daughter; overlooking maiming of his own son, killing vaemond like a lawless tyrant so that her son can get his inheritance through fraud, etc. etc.
and foreseeable consequences his actions was a war destructive to his subjects and his house. it was his duty as a well meaning king to prevent that. he didn't do that.
watch the show next time with attention.
really sucky man just all around. constantly impregnated aemma which led to her health deteriorating and then held her down and gutted her open. impregnated 14 year old alicent successively which meant she had 4 kids by the age of 20/21. and then proceeded to disrespect and neglect alicent and the kids he had with her despite them being the family that stuck by him at his worst and alicent being one of his main caretakers. glad he died. gave nothing but suffering to the people around him.
@@sitting_nut Yeah, maybe you ought to do the same, because Brian is more on base than you.
I love the route they went with the dragons. Viserys said “the idea that we control them is an illusion” and that’s exactly what we were shown at the end of the day in this world these are wild animals who are gonna act and react however they please
Yup! Really like it too. Also made me think immediately of "Zaldrizes buzdari iksos daor" - A dragon is not a slave.
Seeing Vhagar and Arrax take shots at each other (with Vhagar killing Arrax) while Aemond and Luke failed to control them REALLY hammers the point home in regards to the line "Dragons aren't slaves". In that episode, we also see how the dragons connect to their riders. We see Rhaenyra's pain during her miscarriage in her dragon, and when Daemon confronts the kingsguard we see anger through his. I think Luke's and Aemond's underlying hatred of each other also fed into what happened between Rhagar and Arrax. Although as humans, they understood what killing each other would mean to the beginning of war and they refrained from it, whereas the dragons being weapons of war, embraced the idea and acted on it.
Yes. Also vhagar is pretty old and was used for wars & conquering.
@@forksssss8483 Exactly.
@@deanmeanmachine85 that little shit Arrax… I mean the little guy deserved it. You don’t screw with Vhagar.
I would say that on Luke’s part is very much seemed to be more fear than hatred or anger. His dragon lashing out very much read to me like a cornered animal lashing out - being so young and small I can see both Arrax and Luke kinda feeding into each other’s panic. Vhagar took Aemond’s wrath and went with it, especially when she got a face full of fire. At least that’s my take on it.
@@Timbo6669if Arrax hadn’t shot fire in Vhagar’s eye man. That pissed her all the way off.
Matt Smith did say Daemon would give his life for Viserys and Rhaenyra. I fully believe he was heartbroken seeing his brother in that condition.
Daemon loves his family more than anything... He's just has a strong temper and is way too proud for his own good sometimes, but he would do anything for the fam.
remember when he made fun of his brothers dead wife and newborn? yeah what a good brother he is
@@hendrixgeorge6189 lmao I didn’t say he was perfect 🤣
@@hendrixgeorge6189 Did you miss the part where it's not actually shown what or how he said it, it's meant to be ambiguous
@@appocalypsechild Did daemon deny it
Aemond: "I want his eye!"
Vhagar: "You want him to die? Okay :)"
The crown Aegon wears is the crown that Aegon I The Conqueror wore. The crown of Viserys symbolizes more peace and diplomacy rather than conquest and battles. That is my interpretation.
Yeah the peaceful crown was originally worn by Jaehaerys, the grandfather of Viserys, Daemon and Rhaenys.
Viserys told Alicent he wanted to be a Dreamer, a seer. And his vision was for his male child to sit the throne and wear the Conqueror’s crown. She made his dream a reality, so that he would be a dreamer as he wanted.
viserys' dream of a male son wearing the conqueror's son is literally aegon, if he actually cared about the kids he had with alicent maybe he wouldve realized that. if he spent time with helaena then maybe he wouldve realized she was a dreamer too
i mean it could be the subtext for sure, but alicent put viserys' crown to rest on his body and gave aegon the conqueror' crown because this is what viserys told her he saw in his dream in episode 3 - that he had a dream about his son being coronated with the conqueror's crown.
a lot of people seem to forget that and not understand why she interpreted his last words to her as her son being king because she didn't know about the prince that was promised prophecy. but rewatching episode 3 and what he told her on his deathbed in episode 8 really helps understanding she thought he was talking about the dream he told her about in episode 3, 20 years ago (which is why i think she looked a bit confused herself for a second because it's been so long. but when he says "don't you remember? "it's you" or something like that... i mean i would misinterpret him too lol)
Lucerys literally gets chomped to bits and, “Aw. I hate watching dragons die!”
Luc was barely a character
gone and also forgotten 🤣😂
One of my biggest complaints with the season is that because of the time jumps we didn't get to spent time with so many characters like the children. Because of the sudden time focused on Luke in the last episode, it was obvious that something was gonna happen to him. I didn't feel that much when he died because we didn't know him better. I hope it would have had more impact because of the importance of this event and I wish Jace and Luke would have been better developed.
@@ale.arsic23 This whole series is based on like 2 chapters of a book summing up the brief history of how the realm ended up at war. SO we actually spent a lot more time with many of the characters than we would have if the series had been super book accurate. I think it was really smart the way the show covered this period of Westeros history and I think it will be very strong moving forward. Luke's death isn't so much an emotional one but more a significant moment in time, as this is what ultimately starts the Dance of Dragons.
@@andyrobin7196 I mean, his dragon was even less so.
Rhaenyra's angry burn everything transition was so well done, her anger is completely justified compared to how they did Daenarys
Daenerys' anger and madness was just as justified, even if they did end up ruining her character and her arc. She lost just as much, if not more, than Rhaenyra. And I'm not saying Rhaenyra hasn't lost her own fair amount, but Daenerys really did lose so much more.
@@plainsongsutaru9865no it was very uncharacteristic of Danearys, it litteraly never made sense for her character to go insane, the show runners just got lazy and wanted to do something unexpected but it was iust bad
@@SoSodawgindahousethat’s literally what the person said…
@SoSodawgindahouse I will add, it did make sense for her to go mad. What didn't make sense was the timeline of it. I wondered about her going mad somewhere around season 4/5 ish (it's been a while since I've watched), when things started to get complicated and go wrong for her. I wondered and, in fact, supported the idea of a tragic end for Dany because she went mad. It made sense in a way, daughter of the Mad King and all that. But also because she was introduced as a fragile girl kept down for her whole life. Only when she came into power and embraced it did she start projecting confidence and being more assertive (which would eventually lead her down a darker path that would drive her mad).
But the showrunners never did it so I gave up on the idea. Given that it needed time, a slow-burn if you will, to be executed properly, it got too late in the show to start doing it so I figured we were going to get victorious and heroic Dany, as they had set her up to be in the early seasons. Instead they realized too late that (my opinion) The Tragedy of the Mad Queen was the better story arc and forced the character into that role for the final season.
Had they started laying the ground work around season 6 and paced it up to the end it would have worked but they messed it up by shoehorning the entire arc into the final season. At that point they should've just let her be the hero we all expected her to be because in 7 seasons that's what they gave us.
@@Autobot9400 i can agree with your point as well actually . From my point of view as someone who didn’t read the books is that Dany was pretty levelheaded, Kind but harsh when needed,she was progressive ( freeing the slaves etc..) and even if she had some moments of craziness at some times it still felt like she wouldn’t do something that bad. But if like you said they had planted the seeds more clearly of her loosing her mind earlier, it would be less shocking and would make more sense overall. It just seemed like they didn’t know how to end the show and ruined Dany’s character (for me at least) just to be unpredictable to the audience😔
Your analogy is actually spot on. Dragons are the nukes of this world. Power so great and so terrible that it is not to be trifled with. "Dragons are not slaves" as Viserys said earlier in the season. They are the mightiest force in this world and the mere thought that the Targaryens can control them is hubris in the highest order. Add to that Vhagar is one of the oldest dragons in the world, one of the ones that Aegon the Conqueror and his Sister-Wives rode when they took over the Seven Kingdoms (she's the dragon of Aegon's older sister, Visenya and the only living one left of that time). Arrax is a little teen lashing out, Vhagar is an old and bloodthirsty war veteran who toppled nations. One was too stupid to know better and the other too bloodthirsty to let it go.
Arrax was also acting out of fear and defense of his rider. He could feel how afraid Luke was, and reacted as any threatened animal might. It was a tragic accident, but it was entirely brought on by Aemond wanting to bully his nephew, while playing with a power that can't be fully controlled.
grrm himself likened the dragons to nukes. dragons being something people shouldve never trifled with (or going by theory, something the empire of the dawn shouldve never created) is a direct mirror to the idea that nuclear weapons shouldve never been created
Visenya was also the more violent of of the sisters, possibly even more violent than Aegon. Her son was literally called Maegor the Cruel.
@@MayumiSaegusaShiba I like that theory, especially considering how the locations of the oily black stone structures (likely created using dragonfire) are basically nuclear fallout zones where no plants or animals can live.
@@JNDReacts it's also very interesting that the base of the high tower is most likely made of the same material, and that it sits atop 'Battle Isle' where no one remembers what great battle took place. the theory of the hightowers being descended from the great empire of the dawn rather than the first men means they co-existed with the children wayyy before the various invaders arrived. they probably even had dragons before valyria even existed. they probably practiced magic too. the citadel is directly linked to the hightowers and although it is frowned upon, magic is STILL something thats studied there. leyton hightower and malora the mad mage are also said to be dabbling in some magic in the high tower. theyre definitely an extremely interesting house.
them being descended from the empire would somewhat explain the valyrian features of the hightowers in the books. alicent was probably fair-haired given that jaeherys thought she was his daughter at times. all four of her children having silver hair and purple eyes (recessive) also holds up that theory somewhat.
You're the first reactor I've seen who didn't go nuts over the table lighting up😂
I lost my mind over that one. I've got a D&D group that I game with and I kinda need one now!
Also, didn't go over Lord Larys and his 'hobby'. Surprised that she breezed through that.
I comment on it in my Patreon reaction haha. Can’t fit everything in the TH-cam videos
@@NatalieGoldReacts that's the sole scene I was hoping to see you react to here but I guess you have to toe the line.
@@NatalieGoldReacts 😅
What Alicent heard was that Prince Aegon (her son) is the one that can unite the realm. What Viserys was talking about was Aegon the Conqueror’s dream and how Rhaenyra is the one who can unite the realm.
I don’t blame Alicent for misinterpreting his words and running with it. Back in episode 3, Viserys expressed something similar to her. About how he dreamt that his son would sit on the Iron Throne and that dream made him question his decision to keep Rhaenyra as heir after Aegon’s birth.
Yeah let’s forget about everything else that happened in the season and have two scenes of Alicent hearing what she wants to hear justify her delusions of grandeur. You greens are pathetic
I am so done with Alicent, she's such a hypocrite. She wants to sit on that high horse all hollier than thou, meanwhile she has Clubfoot wanking to her feet, which was probably happening while her husband was still alive.
Yeah, I blame their family tradition of recycling the same like 5 names. Of course someone was going to end up confused!
It’s like the Starks with the name Brandon.
He was talking about aegon the sixth, jon snow. And then he himself thought aegon jon to be rhaenyra's son (which is kinda true)
yup, in episode 3 he also told her that in his dream his son is being coronated with Aegon The Conqueror's crown- which is exactly what she did and that's why she put Viserys' crown to rest on his body, believing to go according to the dream he told her about.
i liked reading Olivia Cooke's (Alicent) interviews on these moments and Alicent's internal conflict in episodes 8 and 9. she said that a part of Alicent was kind of furious at that moment, right after she finally started letting her guards down, put that paranoia, bitterness and resentment aside and finally made peace with Rhaenyra being heir. I read another interview where she said that Alicent loves Aegon as he is her kid but is disgusted with his behavior and doesn't really really believe he'd be a better ruler than Rhaenyra whom she does miss deep down.
But it's like, Alicent had been taught all her life to put her duty (as a wife/widow, as a hightower, as a daughter and as a mother) above everything else (including herself like she did as a teen conceiving babies for Viserys or her instincts/feelings like when she last chose Rhaenyra over her duty to her dad, which resulted in his expulsion). Anyway I found it really interesting and helpful to understand where a lot of her decisions come from and makes her standing up to her dad refusing to kill Rhaenyra (with him also calling her out for using her duty for Viserys as an excuse for the real reason she doesn't want to kill her) even more impactful.
Give Paddy Considine all the Emmys.
He was brilliant the whole way through especially his final episode. George himself said he’d want to re write the books to make Visery’s resemble Paddy’s portrayal.
Well, maybe at most one of them.
Personally, I'm rooting for Bob Odenkirk for the final season of Better Call Saul. I'd be happy if either Bob or Paddy won though for lead actor in a drama.
Really the only reason to watch this thing
@@CraigKostelecky I stupidly (because these awards are meaningless) feel so bad for the Better Call Saul cast and crew. They do not get anywhere near the credit they deserve. And I wanted so badly for this show to be bad so I could ignore it after the way Game of Thrones ended. But it's not. This first season was nearly as good as any of Game of Thrones. Far better than the last 3 seasons. And I love that a guy who I had only ever seen as a side character in Hot Fuzz and The World's End (Considine) put on such a powerhouse performance in a dramatic role. Kinda similar to Bob Odenkirk whose roots are obviously in comedy.
@@Crinbo ?
Daemon as much as crazy he gets, he loved his brother. From the scene where he stopped corlis talking shit about Viserys on ep 1 to helping on the throne to grieving on the beach
Yes, Daemon loved his brother. Putting his crown on and helping him to the throne was also Daemon's way of forgiving his brother from separating him and Rhaenyra. Daemon held that against Viserys for a long time.
Fun fact: the crown falling off Viserys happened by accident during rehearsals and Daemon picked it up. They liked it so they wrote it in
It was actually all improvised while they were rolling. The crown was never meant to fall but it did during filming and they kept rolling …
@@oliviaaaxxxable it was rehearsal
Actually the while scene happened on accident. Viserys was never meant to even be in the scene, but Paddie, the actor, got confused on the way to the toilet and stumbled into the room while they were filming, and because of the mask he didn't see where he was going so he went for the iron throne. The director liked it so much that they just kept filming.
Fun fact: Paddy Considine showed up on the wrong set by accident during rehearsals and they liked him so much they wrote him into the show. The pilot was entirely him thinking he was in Hot Fuzz 2, and he didn't find out that he was in House of the Dragon until Episode 7. Paddy is so method tbh that Matt Smith personally suggested they finally tell him before his face actually melted off IRL. Amazing.
The crown fell off by mistake during the first take, but Paddy and Matt liked it so much that they made sure it happened on purpose every time they filmed the scene after that so that the show would have to include it.
The scene with Paddy and Matt at the throne with the fallen crown was totally improvised. They kept the cameras rolling after the crown fell off Paddy's head and Matt picked it up. It worked so well they went with it!
Well, it happed in rehearsals and they decided to write it into the show. The scene we see isn't the orignal improvised scene.
Some of the best scenes on film are happy accidents.
Remember when Natalie was so innocent before Game of Thrones? Now she is bloodthirsty and swears more than the Hound.
Character development lol
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Aegon’s coronation was such a powerful scene. I didn’t agree with it but it was shot beautifully. And Aegon himself being on the verge of tears as he’s crowned.
I wish they had his dragon there roaring behind him instead of that thing with Rhaenys
@@andyrobin7196 That would’ve been a nice touch. The episode should’ve ended there with Aegon accepting his crown and the cheers of the crowd
@@andyrobin7196 yes, and it would have avoided the dumb "it wasn't my war to start" thing
@@andyrobin7196 nah, Sunfyre and Maelys having a standoff would be sick. Maybe it wasn't in the budget for another CGI dragon but it would be great foreshadowing for Rook's Rest and it would fix the whole "not my war to start" shenanigans that I still think is super dumb
What's crazy about Aemond's "mistake" at the end is that he can't admit that he didn't mean to kill Luke, because that would mean admitting to the world that he doesn't have full control of Vaghar. He essentially has to own the title of Kinslayer to maintain any semblance of power.
It wouldn’t even matter anyway. No one would believe that Aemond killed Luke accidentally considering their history.
@@hali_55 exactly, he created the situation that lead to Luke's death, so it matters not that he didn't want to kill him. And because of that the only path not to be seen as weak is to say he meant for it to happen. It's sad, no matter what.
@@avg18Luke created that situation when he took his eye. That’s a lifetime debt. I wouldn’t get over it either. All they had to do was run once he was blinded, or better not pull up on him squadded up in the first place
@@avg18No the kid created that path by himself by bullying him, cutting his eye, never apologized and doubling down on make fun of Aemond. He brought it on himself too bad it wasn't a 4vs1 or there weren't mommy and step daddy to save him
Paddy Considine was amazing as Viserys. That last smile when everyone was having fun at the last dinner was heartbreaking. He deserves that Emmy!
Daemon absolutely loves and is loyal to his brother. He wanted to be named as his heir, yes, but even at that younger and more rash age he would have never raised arms against Viserys to take the throne early. It's one of his biggest redeeming and humanizing elements, played expertly by Matt Smith. His relationship with Rhaenyra is more complicated and power-seeking, as you of course saw by the end of the season.
Like Viserys said, "Control of dragons is an illusion." Their riders have as much control over dragons, as the dragons allow them.
that's dumb
@@andyrobin7196 write a better script then andy
@@slayerr3086 If I did I wouldnt contradict every other dragon riding scene we've seen across both shows. If dragons just do whatever they want then Targaryans arent special anymore.
@@andyrobin7196 oh you mean those dragon scenes where Drogon disobeyed Dany multiple times? Fucking off to who knows where and leaving her at one point? It’s clearly being set up that Targaryens don’t have 1000% control over their dragons in both shows AND the books where we can hear similar examples of dragons having their own minds and not just being magical servant pets to the targs.
I think of the example of the late magic/animal act duo, Siegfried and Roy. Roy Horn had decades of experience working with big cats, until in 2003 when a tiger in their act attacked him, leaving him permanently impaired. Dragons are never fully domesticated. At heart they're powerful wild animals, as unpredictable as that implies.
Jesus Christ it’s been a few days since I’ve laughed so hard as when I saw “the orb is unmoved by your sacrifice human”. Props to you or your editor that was SO funny
Regarding viserys’ age, I believe he’s only a handful of years older than Daemon, like 7 or something. That disease aged him very rapidly. But speaking of long-lives characters in this world…we’ve seen people last way longer like Bloodraven and Maester Aemon
Well Bloodraven hasn’t exactly been surviving with just his own body.
Stress ages people faster than time, and Daemon's on that no-stress handle-shit-now lifestyle
@@samwallaceart288 we also see the wounds from the throne taking it's toll on Viserys. One episode he cuts himself, during the next episode we see 2 fingers rotting, the episode after that he's lost 2 fingers, and when we go to him barely walking on his own he's lost the entire arm. This is where "show, don't tell" does wonders.
To be fair towards Aemond, he's not a 'full grown man'. He's around like 17 or so iirc. Not that it excuses his actions, but 17 year old's aren't exactly known to be the sharpest.
I'm so interested in watching Aemond grow. At the juncture the finale leaves us at he could either grow and become wise while learning through his shame or he could double down and fully become that which he pretends to be.
At Aemonds core is that sweet little mama's boy who is ultimately ticked off at being second best and overlooked. He is much like the character Eli/Hawk from Cobra Kai where he adopts a badass persona to protect himself. Unfortunately with such thick illusory walls surrounding him, emotional growth becomes impossible and we see just how much of a child that he still is.
Excited for Season 2 snd more drama between the Second Son's.
Well said!
Someone may have already said this, but it's new for book readers as well because the books are not necessarily "true" accounts. He has multiple accounts of the same story, so when book readers watch the show we all get the "true" account so things change, layers are added, etc.
Hey Nat! Hey everyone! Hope you’re all doing well! 😊 Fun Fact, I went to Music and Drama university with Tom Glynn-Carney (plays Aegon during his coronation) he’s a really great guy! 😊
I LOVED the dinner scene in episode 8. From Viserys’ speech/plea to his family to get along, to everyone finally having a good time and Aemond just stirring shit 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t blame aemond for that, luc knew that that would piss off aemond
I would do way more than stir shit if I lost an eye. Especially when my own father excuses it. Those Strong boys would get knifed ASAP.
@@airsoftpopcorn exactly! Luke seems to have almost no remorse for what he did to Aemond
@@stephenjenkins7971 PREACH
@Ali Chaudhry exactly! The things Alicent said to Rhaenyra right after Aemond lost his eye were pure facts. She’s had the luxury of doing whatever she wants because her father is the King. She cares about her family yes and clearly takes Aegon’s dream seriously, but she’s also lied to and gaslighted everyone around her for years. Rhaenyra _is_ the rightful heir to the throne but she has not been a perfect person or even sympathetic in many situations. And frankly, if she _was_ flawless she wouldn’t be an interesting character so I don’t know why some of her fans want to take this self righteous stance so bad 🤷🏾♀️
"An eye for an eye, a son for a son. Lucerys will be avenged," Daemon promised.
"A son for a son, a queen for a queen". Sunfyre sends his regards.
@@rohanshende4338 mehhh.......🤭
Even after all those years, Daemon kept his promise to protect Viserys from himself.
Extra love to the Editor! They’re straight up the secret 2nd reactor with all their gags and I AM HERE FOR IT!
Episode 8 was my favorite episode. Viserys coming to defend his daughter was so impactful, loved when Daemon sliced Vaemonds head too. That dinner speech made me so sad and seeing everyone happy for a minute was nice but sad because it didn't last long.
29:35 so not a lot of people caught why the gold cloaks were closing the doors rather then opening them, the gold cloaks are still loyal to Daemon, they wanted Rhaenys to basically execute them all. I caught that on a re-watch
"you play stupid games you win stupid prices asshole, wtf did you think was gonna happen?" hahaha lost it
Nothing is funnier than Criston Cole having the same actor despite the shear amount of time between episode 1 and 10
It's those Dornish genes lol
He's the Paul Rudd of Westeros.
You never saw The Last Kingdom. Children change actors/actresses but the adult men/women never changed, spanning 3 generations (where those children will have their own children), just like how HoTD will also be.
@@chaddubois8164 Lol! Exactly!
He's a vampire. He'll be young foreverrrrrr.
The moment were Daemond helps his brother wasent on the script. Matt Smith was improving, and the director was like "Yeah, keep going, keep going".
THAT'S TRUE ART.
No, that was in the script. What was improvised is picking up his crown and putting it on his head.
@@slayerr3086 thank you!
She really should’ve sent Rhaenys to Storm’s End. Rhaenys is half Baratheon on her mother’s side and they originally supported her claim over Viserys’s.
If nothing else Meleys and Vhagar wouldn’t have tried to kill each other, though of course Rhaenyra had no way of knowing Aemond would be there.
The most subtle thing that I don't think anyone has commented on is when Rhaenyra said they should leave after that dinner, and Alicent seemed to genuinely want to make amends and Alicent reached out and held Rhaenyra's arm, the one that wasn't cut. I feel like the one thing that wasn't as clearly communicated was how the prophecy was only to be communicated to the true heir. Also Aemond is such a perfect foil for Daemon.
The prophecy was not communicated just to true heirs, but also to the queens (e.g Visenya, Rhaenys, Alyssa, Rhaena), that is how Jaehaerys I would know about the prophecy and some close family members and the Starks as lords of the Winterfell should also know , not to mention the blade passes down the prophecy down regardless if a Targaryen sits on the throne.
@@jamesmswenko8292 Ah thanks for the clarification
@jamesmswenko8292 I think the Starks knew because their ancestors actually fought the white walkers and not because of the prophecy revealed to the Targeryen heirs about the song of ice and fire and a Targeryen needing to rule to fight them. Also, the blade was only passed down within the Targeryens until Littlefinger, so no one outside the Targeryen heir and ruler (maybe the queens too would know since heir would probably talk about it with their wives if they trusted them enough).
@@jamesmswenko8292 You're making up a whole lot based on nothing. Nothing about what you just said is info we know, it's just your assumption
i feel very safe here bc i swear natalie is the only reactor that doesn't have a biased stand point when it comes to this show she just says things as it is, it's so refreshing
Thing is, even if we think that Rhaenyra wouldn't take out her half-siblings to secure her crown (an assertion that sits on very shaky grounds for me) we do ABSOLUTELY know that Daemon would. Vaemond is the perfect illustration of that (which also had Rhaenyra's tacit stamp of approval). From her perspective, marrying Daemon is gaining a powerful ally to her side and eliminating the potential for him ever becoming a third faction in this mess. But from everyone else's perspective ... she just married freakin' Daemon! The very embodiment of a lose canon! The guy that inspired the realm to swear an oath to crown a woman for the first time specifically in order to ensure this particular jerk would not be king! XD Marrying Daemon and just expecting your allies, who swore an oath to back you up so as to keep him away from the throne, to accept him as King Consort is ... truly an uncredible ask.
The chaotic neutral nature of Daemon is so much fun in this series.
I had a blast following along, thanks for sharing, looking forward to the next season!
The cool thing about the book is that it's a historical record made by people that weren't present at most of what happens. Also, these records are told on the books by three different characters with clearly biased points of view, so the book only really tells the reader the outline of what happens. At times the show confirms a certain point of view, at times it goes somewhere in the middle, at times it creates an entirely new one, and that has been thrilling to watch!
Viserys thought he was talking to Rhaenyra and not to Alicent.
I kept wishing I could tell her this as she watched it.
I’m team Black but I’m also team Aemond he’s such a badass/fascinating character 😍 also doesn’t help that he’s so damn hot! 😅
Viserys thought he was talking to Rhaenyra when speaking about the song of ice and fire. Alicent had no context for it because he (rightfully) never told her about it.
You didn't forget what Storms End (Baratheon castle) looked like, they never actually show it in Game of Thrones
Didn't melisandra show gendry it at one point? I remember that
@@permets2apollox453 you may be thinking of when they sail past kings landing and she refers to it as “your fathers seat” to gendry. I understand the confusion, but it’s kings landing she shows him
@@bigted6351 probably right, it's been years since I've rewatched thrones
Exactly. Renly was somewhere camping while Stannis was on Dragonstone, so we didn't see Storms End.
The Viserys stuff with him walking into the Throne Room?
Top ten moment in the entire FRANCHISE.
The scene where Daemon helps Viserys up the stairs always makes me cry...I had to struggle to watch my older brother waste away from liver failure. I couldn't help but see myself in the scene wanting to help my own brother.
For anyone who’s curious, here’s the translated lyrics to the song Daemon sings to the dragon Vermithor:
Fire breather
Winged leader
But two heads
To a third sing
From my voice:
The fires have spoken
And the price has been paid
With blood magic
With words of flame
With clear eyes
To bind the three
To you I sing
As one we gather
And with three heads
We shall fly as we were destined
Beautifully, freely
love how she can remember the page of a book from the episode 1, but can't remember that Rhaenyra had a son and name him Aegon as well, in the same episode that the kings die.
Oh shit that makes sense. And it makes sense that (assuming he was talking to Rheanyra) he would specify Aegon as heir, e.g. her first pureblood son would end up as king.
The "Lament" and "Fate of the Kingdoms" soundtrack is absolutely beautiful. It expresses the urgency of the moment so well. And the thematic richness of the visuals are stunning. The silent sisters, viserys being wrapped up, Alicent in front of the window sil, it all has an ambience of a catholic sadness inside a tragic renaissance painting. tgc's aegon during the coronation looks fresh out of a panel depicting a prince in a middle ages lithography. the sadness in his eyes omg you only see in church winds..this is the aegon we need.
"Vaemond or Ned Stark, who wore it better?"
I'm dead
(and so is Vaemond)
Both the Cargyle brothers are honorable men, and have honorable reasons for taking the different sides. Theirs is one of the most poetic tragedies of the Dance, and many songs have been written about their unceasing filial love even as they are bound to fight each other.
I appreciate your logical reaction. The pervasive one has been to automatically demonize Alicent and put Rhaenyra on a pedestal. They are both wrong in different ways - they both contribute to this war starting, but Otto is the mastermind, Criston and Larys are weird and Viscerys was just not politically smart and Daemon is a dragon.
"...and I took that personally!"
- Grandma Vhagar
The sword crossing, the tapestry, the bagpipes playing “king’s arrival” from GoT, proud Otto enjoying his life’s work, the veiled & somber Queen kissing the King, the Septons marking his forehead...I was blown away by the details in the coronation. It felt like watching Nicholas II being crowned in an Orthodox ceremony with all the hollow pomp & circumstance of a rotting system. It's what I'd always envisioned from a GoT coronation. Tom Glynn-Carney was terrific in bringing out Aegon's fear, hesitation, pride & euphoria all at once. He’s got a sadness about him you only see in catholic stained glass windows. I'm glad they kept much despised Criston putting the Conqueror's crown on Aegon II's head. The Kingmaker is born! What the show's doing really well is the details, down to splitting the treasury or locking up servants. Usually the passionate debates, the sense of treachery, the heartbreak are glossed over & we only see the regime change as a "fait accompli". This bring to life the mechanism that historically goes behind a coup, which I assume is as emotionally taxing for the people seizing power. That's why I like agonized & conflicted Alicent more than her steadfast source counterpart. It's more flesh & blood. She vacillates but her messianic fear for her children fates her to make a cursed gamble.
Nat, whoever is doing your editing is HILARIOUSLY good!
much love to Cameron for always adding SFXs for the doggies. always adds to the fun
I loved the detail of the gold mask on Viserys, just like Dany's older brother in his death scene
Helaena is barely acknowledged in the series yet I'm pretty sure she's there to show the history of mental issues that plagued the Targaryen bloodline and eventually caused their demise.
Idk Aemond has a right to hold a grudge against Luke. He claimed Vhagar because she was meant to be his. He only said it was a fair trade to calm Alicent down. Aside from the fact that she’s his mother, Alicent is the only person who’s ever stood up for him, whether it was when he was getting bullied by his brother and cousins, or when Luke took his eye.
Not only that, there was never an apology or any remorse shown from Luke’s end. It’s easy for Rhaenyra and co to pretend the incident never happened, but considering Aemond is the one without an eye it’s pretty hard to forget.
Yea the Aemond thing is so unfortunate, he was just trying to scare him for all the shit they did to him. Then Luc's dragon attacked him first and they both lost control of their dragons. Harkens back to what Viserys says, "The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion, they're a power man should never have trifled with".
Same can be said for the Iron Throne, and life in general.
So much of the story is someone hopping on like they own it, asking for "this, this, and this"; and life being like "Yeah, that's not how this works."
Viserys was the architect of his own family’s destruction. He started this war. And no, I don’t mean by naming Rhaenyra his heir, but by being an awful father to his children with Alicent.
Aemond Targaryen looks like an anime villain. His character design is one of the best in the GoT universe.
I refuse to accept that so many people misunderstood that VERY obvious scene: he's mistaking Alicent for his daughter Rhaneyra, in the dark - and in his delirium from sickness.
he's not addressing alicent as alicent....
No way this series gets to the mad king when to source material is still 100 years away from that. Also that would be like a lot of seasons
9:40 - The scene of the crown falling and Daemon helping was improvised. The crown was never supposed to fall... but it did, and Matt Smith asked the crew to keep filming. The scene was already amazing, but it was made even better.
Older rhaenyra actually looks more like her mother Aemma🥹
viserys lost an eye after not caring for aemond when he lost his...karmic justice
I have such a love hate relationship with reaction channels. One thing that bothers me about this show in particular is that y'all spend so much time talking and trying to be entertaining, that you miss dialogue that would fully explain things that seem to confuse you. They straight up said at the beginning of episode 9 that House Baratheon might be an issue, but that he has lots of daughters. So they immediately planned to offer him a wedding proposal. So the odds that Aemond was there was actually really good. They had to get there quickly to win him over, dragonback is the fastest way to travel, and Aemond isn't married. The odds were really good that he was there. I'm not hating or anything. Just that a lot gets missed for the sake of being entertaining instead of just paying attention. Make your money though. 🤷♂️
I missed this too tbh , that scene had a lot happening in it
I think the fear for Alicent’s children wouldn’t come from Rhaenyra but Daemon and vice versa with Otto on the green side. Both these men would definitely kill the other’s children to ensure their family’s power
viserys is a well written and acted instance of a horrible father and king, who deceives himself that he is well meaning, but really isn't. he is well meaning only to his daughter, to others, including his children by alicent, alicent herself, and his subjects, he is opposite of well meaning . he is a horrible father, husband and king. foreseeable consequences of his actions prove that clearly.
show did well to ensure vaemond went on saying what he said instead of backing down, even though he knew there wont be a good outcome for him. he for one is not taking injustice of entitled tyrants passively. and this is an instance where making his house black fits rather well. scene is full of various subtextual nuances and allusions.
aemond doesn't need to pay an eye for his dragon. injustice ( like what he had to suffer) always have consequences .
*"To King Aegon II, we pledge our faith. Hearth and heart and harvest we yield up to His Grace. Our swords, spears and arrows are under His command. May he grant us strength and we shall never fail him. We swear it by earth and water. We swear it by bronze and iron. We swear it by ice and fire."* ⚔🥲
The fact that Natalie is more upset about losing a dragon rather than a little kid is the equivalent of when they kill dogs in scary movies.
That little rant about Aemond at the end of the last episode was beautiful. Quality content. 😂
That angry reaction to the Aemond at the end was so funny 😂
Nat going off is the greatest thing I've seen in so long!
It still cracks me up how everyone talks about Aemond being such a psycho but Daemon gets a pass 😂
They're so very similar, in looks, personality, and even station as 2nd born sons.
it's hypocrisy, aemond is not allowed to be mad he got desabled for life and the person who did it got no punishment, feels no remorse and laughs in his face? he's one of the few ones who actually have a motive to become a violent person, but because he's on the opposite team these ppl like they immediately throw all empathy through the window then turn around and romanticize DAEMON
@@cr2956 Which is crazy to me, because Daemon is one of the most despicable characters on the show. So far, the only person Aemond killed was an accident.
exactly
@@cr2956ur acting like aegon didnt try to assault them first, he fucked around and found out .
People when Daemon executes Vaemond for RIGHTFULLY accusing Rhaenyra of committing bastardry & treason vs people when Criston executes Beesbury for WRONGFULLY accusing Queen Alicent of regicide. This show is a case study in tribalism.
The scariest thing about Aemond if he were King, is he takes any slight against him WAY too personally. With unlimited power he’d be a tyrant
I'd hardly call cutting his eye out as a "slight." I'd never let that grudge go either. And the whole "lost an eye, gained a dragon" thing doesn't make sense, because he already claimed the dragon before he lost the eye. The eye wasn't payment for anything. He was outnumbered 4 to 1 in a fight and the little bastard still pulled out a knife.
@@fluffylittlebear I was more referring to stuff other than losing his eye. Like when he did claim Vhgar he was pushed and proceeded to threaten Jace and Luke. Or at the dinner Luke snickered at the roast pig and Aemond makes his “toast” with the complete intention to rile up Jace. Aemond is basically like Joffery if he were more intelligent and cunning.
@@TBoring I think his brother Aegon is quite a bit like Joffrey, but not Aemond. So far, we haven't seen any indication that Aemond is a sadist who enjoys cruelty. He's a bit of a dick, sure, but he's no Joffrey/Aegon.
I watched this twice and appreciate the series ever more since almost every scene matters. Some scene you may not realize is important is a foreshadow to something happening later on. So the statement that the beginning is slow is correct but when you realize that they are neccesary the development of the story, you appreciate it even more.
41:02 Idk why everyone keeps saying that as if he traded his eye for Vhagar, Aemond got Vhagar because he was brave, he deserved it and because Vhagar accepted him, that has nothing to do with Luke, Jace, Baela and Rhaena assaulting him and taking his eye. Aemond said it was a fair exchange to calm his mom down and to flex on the other kids that he still won cuz he got Vhagar, but YES there's still a debt to be paid lol it's not like fucking Luke gave him Vhagar
Yeah, dragons pick their riders, if Vhagar did not want Aemond as her rider, she would have just killed him
Well said
I still don't get people who say Aemond is being petty with the lost of his eye saying he got a dragon out of it, or that he already said "it was a fair trade"
First off, in episode 7 he said he was fine with it to de-escalate the situation, in no way would anybody actually be fine with someone taking their eye, and it its even worse that the person who took your eye never got punished and never even apologized even though eye for an eye punishments seemed to be quite normal from what I saw Daemon do in episode 1 i.e. thieves lost their hands, rapists lost their wee wees, murderers lost their lives.
Because it happened years ago... Nobody is saying he has to be friends with Luc. But at some point, Aemond should've learned to move on and accept that life isn't fair. His own brother is a serial rapist and no punishment will ever come because of it. Is that fair?
@@willl1099 Luc was laughing at him at dinner like 1 day before this, the kid's an asshole
@@willl1099 I might move on from somebody punching me or beating me up, but Luke took an eye everytime Aemond looks in the mirror he's gonna be reminded of his nephew who took it, I sure wouldn't be able to forget it, but life in Westeros isn't fair pretty sure that's why he took it into his own hands to do some justice and asked Luke to put out his eye. And I don't want to argue morality here with Aegon and Lucerys both not being punished for their respective crimes, its more on what Aemond feels is what im poking at.
@@andyrobin7196 And? Aegon was making fun of Jace. Who gives a fuck
@@rhuskymikhaelorcullo5832 His actions were extremely petty. I don't know how you can't see it. Nobody is saying Aemond needs to forget about losing his eye. But trying to settle a score in that situation is extremely petty. There are no two ways around it.
- Natalie, "I really hate seeing dragons die". - G.R.R Martin - "Hold my beer".
I'm crying at the way you were swearing your heart out to Aemond in the end. 😭
Everyone is flawed. But out of the eligible candidates, Rhaenyra does seem to be the best bet for the throne. She's made plenty of mistakes but she does seem to have good intentions and a moral compass.
In the book one of the baratheon girls basically shames aemond into chasing luke. She was angry he didn't choose her so she called him a coward and said she preferred someone with all his parts including balls. Basically shaming aemond into fighting luke
Man, Viserys getting on the throne, the whole sequence always has me in tears
Listen when you bring a War Vet to paintball the bound to have some flash backs 😂
You’re one of the only reactors that tears up as often watching things as I do. I get so empathetic and can’t help it!
I am 100% agree with what Natalie said about Aemond, he provoked everything, he can't just blame Vhagar for losing control he is responsible of Lucerys and Arrax death..
PS : Matt Smith and Paddy Considine totally deserves emmys when an actor don't just act but also make live the character better than books it's a proof of true talent
Vaemond's got no right to be pissed because he was trying to usurp Baela & Rhaena's claims just as much as he claimed Luc was usurping his claim.
as the brother of the lord, wouldnt it pass to him before the lord's daughters?
@@andyrobin7196 Nope- see for instance the fact (spoilers for the main series) Cersei inherits Casterly Rock when Tywin dies over her uncle Kevan. Order goes- lord, lord's son, son's sons, son's daughters, lord's daughter, daughter's sons, daughter's daughters.
Your "ewwww, he did NOT" to Otto's arrival at Dragonstone got me good lol