The ending topic of the video is really what brought it home for me. Building an _effective_ team (not just a "synergistic team", or a "good team") truly comes down to the team's ability to make your opponent "watch a cutscene" three or four times in a game. If you don't have that or an alternate win condition, then you're probably playing a struggle team, or maybe your skills aren't up to the task yet. This is something that you can very easily _observe_ when watching high-level Marvel without really knowing what's going on (i.e. "Yawn, WOW, _another_ Zero incoming mix-up, like I haven't seen THIS a million times before. _rolls eyes_ "), but the way that you laid it out in this video truly _reveals_ this fact for what it is and how it is an objective truth of the game. Thank you very much for sharing your understanding on this important facet of UMvC3. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go rework my Phoenix Wright/Captain America/Sentinel team >_>;
@@SpartanThrone ROFL I swear to you, Sparty, I did not! XD I did actually play that team for years, usually as Cap/PW/Sent. I even won a local with that team back in the day! But I'm starting to get back into the game after a years-long hiatus, and now fully realize (after playing some matches online & watching this video) that I can't get away with using that team anymore if I like winning (and I do). Right now, I've settled on Cap/Taskmaster/Sent as a placeholder, but your talk of Spencer zip-finite teams and Taskmaster unblockable set plays has me very interested. The idea of an alternate victory condition has always been something I've loved in competitive games (i.e. I loved playing an Exodia deck in Yu-Gi-Oh!), and to know that such teams are viable in UMvC3 is encouraging. Question for you, if you don't mind: About how long would it take for a more casual player (like myself) to learn an effective team that has a higher tech skill requirement (e.g. Zero/Dante/Vergil) than something like what I've been playing (Cap/Task/Sent or Cap/PW/Sent)? I've always wanted to learn a team that has a superstar top tier character in it, but I've always felt that the tech skill tax was just too much for me to pay (hence why I gravitated towards simpler teams/characters).
@@DiscoCokkroach I like the idea of your new team, nice to start messing with decent characters and embracing their scummier elements! RE: Zero may cry I think it's a few months before you get to be proficient enough Vs some decent players. I've seen players rise that fast before playing stuff like Task/Dorm/Arthur and Tron/Haggar/Strange. With ZMC you have tech on your side so there's lots to learn, but the raw character strength is just fantastic, even if you aren't comfortable or confident early on. Watching Jibrill for tech ideas is probably the best route. If you learn 4 things you're already on your way tbh: 1-how to lightning loops 2-how to mix up on welcome with Zero/Jam 3-how to kill with Dark Vergil 4-how to mix up with Dark Vergil (there's a shady k tutorial on FChamp's channel which is excellent) Beyond that there's neutral and how to play Dante to consider but you'll already be threatening if you just copy some neutral from jibrill even if you don't know exactly why he's using that option (because zero is just really strong in neutral regardless).
@@SpartanThrone This is some really good stuff to chew on. Thank you very much, Sparty! And yes, I want to embrace scummy play. All those years of being able to do nothing but block as Phoenix Wright will now come back down on my opponents as Lightning Loops from the heavens XD Also, I found that ShadyK Dark Vergil tutorial video that you were talking about. Posting the link here for those that are curious: th-cam.com/video/wbY2kvp-om0/w-d-xo.html
i got my friends into marvel after evo and this guide helped a lot! they loved watching evo events with me and when they tried the game out they knew characters were good but not why they were so having this context helped them a lot. one even is playing wolverine because of your run lol
Rule of 4 You alluded to it without saying it specifically A viable team (not necessarily good) wins in 4 interactions If you can’t your team isn’t viable There’s thousands and thousands of viable teams
I plan to examine some shells and team more closely in future videos so if I didn't dive into more depth in this video, know I'll zoom in as you might expect when I make those vids. As always in not perfect so if there's something(s) I've missed here please feel free to comment with it. Finally, if you are unsure about your team composition and who might work and why, really you need to have a discussion with other people who have more experience and insight, so as always I recommend you join either the main UMvC3 discord, or the EU one (both linked in the description) and get talking in the team building channels in there.
You could use my team as an example of the bear minimum of viability since my team is objectively bad and shouldn’t be played if your trying to min/max but the team meets all the basic requirements of viability Wins in 4 interactions if everything goes right Conversions with all 3 characters from all 3 heights (stand, jump, super jump) Reliable throw and air throw conversions with all 3 chars 1 mil off any clean hit starting from 1 bar The team also has access to unique dirt anti pheonix tech and a tac infinite but that’s Not really what I’m referring to Just that my team is a terrible team that “works” To this day I’m pretty hype that I was able to spend a few years figuring things out and was able to continue playing my day one team of my favorite characters and not feel like matchups are completely unwinnable Anyone who has spent a decade grinding with their “wierd” team has crossed the threshold of viability at this point and the tech people like that have come up with showcases just how balanced this game is so long as your team works and fulfills the requirements of the rule of 4
My shell is marvelos old team Nova, strange, Strider he made a whole video out of it before It absolutely wrecks But your in a scramble when nova dies and have to rely on strider for clean up when strange dies
I used to play Vergil/Morrigan/Shuma which I think is really good, but has a similar issue to your team where if the first two characters die you've basically lost the game. I eventually switched to Zero May Cry and had some good fun with that. But recently I've started thinking about switching teams again and I'm leaning towards playing the team again, and just trying to accept/deal with Shuma's limits.
I'm well versed with that team as my training partner Demon Phoenix has played it for about a year. He plays it Morrigan point and mixes between Astral and, if a hit confirm gives him 2 bars, he DHCs to Vergil and kills. It's definitely got all the potential you need to reach the highest level, and as someone running Iron Fist on anchor I will say that Shuma is definitely viable competitively on anchor. If you got back to it and commit yourself the worst case scenario is that you come out of it with a really strong Vergil and Morrigan, and at that point you are able to drop Shuma if you end up doubting him for a good selection of characters like Doom, Dante, Strider, Strange etc etc
@@SpartanThrone I suppose it is true enough it would make switching to Morrigan/Doom/Vergil not especially difficult. I suppose it didn't help that person I play the most often plays Magneto/Doom/Phoenix and those are all horrible matchups for Shuma imo. That said he is also just a lot better and a more experienced player than me. Thinking I probably will try and pick the team backup again. Might mix in starting Morrigan a bit more as well. Thanks. Also by the by nice video.
@@liamfoote7164 oh yeah Shuma has a hard time with those 3 for sure, and he's the only neutral assist on the team so it doesn't even matter if he has team mates left! Staying alive with your team vs that team is super important. Vergil/Morrigan has some really nice tech for killing Phoenix with 5 bars as long as you have XF left yourself. Have you seen those before?
Great video! I've played Marvel when it came out for a couple of years when i was 13-16 and recently got back at it and i am completely lost, lmao. The team i used to play was ghost rider iron fist nova, i now see how much of a mess it was. Been trying to switch to haggar/spencer/arthur but still figuring out the game again
I'm what some people might call "very bad". Like, casual bad. That said, Haggar/Doom/Vergil feels incredible. Plasma Beam and Rapid Slash assists ensure Haggar is supported in the neutral, and he shreds through people in combos with the help of those same assists. If they ever snap to Vergil and he lives, Lariat can get tons of the pressure off. Lots of little things. Did my first 1-bar no-X 1M combo ever the other day with it.
I remember talking to you in the umvc3 discord and help with team building was the first thing I asked. Thank you so much for the help then and for the vid now! Great fucking content as always
If you need help building a team, join the Marvel community and start playing today! Main UMvC3 discord: discord.gg/Cc9maHV5eC EU UMvC3 discord: discord.gg/xqB7JrT8b7
I don't know if I zoned out or if I was paying attention but I feel just as ill prepared to try to put a team together than when I first started watching. What I've gathered is "point/mid/anchor is important", "make sure you TOD or you're bad", and "just play Doom/Virgil". Ah, yes, now I am ready
To sum up: - be clear about your objective (eg, casual fun, training mode, competitive play etc) - play whatever you want within the limitations of that objective - to be competitive you need to kill in 4 touches (or 3+ a TAC) so experiment until you can do that - ask for help/ideas in the main marvel discord, just be clear about your objective there
@@98Denis98 Hawkeye def loves any combination of those 3 chars. Jam is great for him, and the THC is excellent. Plasma would maybe be my pick personally for the durability and ground coverage to let Hawkeye focus on the air, but likewise he's good at protecting missiles on the ground and then he takes care of the ground while missiles protects the sky. The vergil team really gives Hawkeye the big damage boost though, so it's neutral control vs ability for Hawkeye to kill, and I'm gonna have to lean towards the vergil team cause hawkeye plus rapid slash is decent too, and damage is a bit problematic for him at times.
@@kumaradio5414 that's a great Trish team, best played Vergil 2nd imo to give her ToDs by DHC to sword loops. Great at rushdown and keep away and everything in between
So far I was mostly watching TNS tournaments, but I've been thinking about trying out these two teams 1) Chris/Dante/Haggar (that one seems cool, since you get air support with Jam Session, Chris/Dante THC for fullscreen magnum confirms and lariat against rushdown characters to have easier time on 99, great convertions and have more opportunities to setup mines and grenades, not sure if Dante/Haggar is good plan B tho) 2) Chris/Dante/Doom (Not sure about team order here, Chris/Dante THC seems good, however Doom TAC is obviously a huge deal. Either way that variant could be cool for hit confirming gunshots thanks to plasma beam)
Both teams are very workable! If you can learn 4 characters at once I'd play a bit of both. If it needs to be one of them I'd choose Chris/Dante/Doom. It's a stronger team and has potential against a lot of strong teams. Don't worry about the TAC infinite because Chris should be killing off of most hits with that team (also dante has a practical tac infinite himself if you need it). That said, early on you might find it easier to play Chris with jam/Lariat because you will always be able to get a mine on the ground or a fire grenade in play.
Very late. Sorry. Just came across this recently. Just getting back into this game recently (fighting games in general. Been out due to work and injury since 2012) You, sir are a godsend. No shade towards other communities but no one goes in-depth as you and that's kind of sad because there are ppl out there that's looking for that deep conversation or thought process. So keep it up. As for what I'm currently looking for. Before I decide to settle on team clockwork, I've been looking for other ideas with Vergil being on point, and right now I know Doom, Dante goes well with him but I've been looking to just kind of experiment for now but if I have to I will use them (as a last ditch effort). Back then I used to run Yipes Spencer team (Spencer, Vergil, Hawkeye), so one idea I've been toying around with is Vergil, Spencer, Magneto, but not sure if I really like this. Anyway, great video. Seeing this gives me some more ideas though.
You have damn fine taste in chars I must say 😂 whack any of them together and you're in for a good time. I really do like the sound of Vergil/Dante/Doom (or the other order). Not quite as good as team clock, but strong and balanced none the less!
@@SpartanThrone I feel like I'm being judged 🤣. Would it help if I said DMC is one of may favorite games and Vergil is my favorite character 😅? Too clichéd? If it makes you feel better I did consider Dormammu. Still considering him to be honest. I kind of like the idea of Vergil with the big ball on screen.
@@MG_Gambino ha no judgement, I encourage people to play the best stuff they can. If I'd played the best stuff a decade ago I'd be a different player today!
That's a decent team and you would have options Vs a lot of the upper end of the cast. It has an issue that Dante/Ammy has difficulty doing damage, plus Dante has a hard time exploiting Cold Star assist. I would play that, but also learn either Doom or Strider (or both) as they give you a lot of options here. Viper Dante Strider Viper Doom Strider Viper Doom Ammy Viper Doom Dante All of those are a step up!
This is awesome, as much as I want to play Wolverine and Deadpool on a team because I love both characters and am super excited for the movie coming out at the end of the month here that I already bought tickets for, I will definitely have to find something that works better like maybe Wolverine (Point)/Doom (Support)/ Deadpool (Anchor)???? Would that work in a competitive setting???? I do plan on getting into the game competitively, I guess I can drop Deadpool if I absolutely have to but, I really don’t want to if I don’t have to
That team could manage! Deadpool and wolverine aren't the most co-operative together, but Doom is certainly good glue. Akuma could also work, I'd play him on anchor if I was picking those three.
Overall not very stable/solid. However, it's an interesting team for sure. Personally I would run it in the order you wrote them and play runaway/X23 to build a couple of bars and frustrate opponents. If you have 5 bars when their 1st chars dies or 3 bars when their 2nd char dies then get X23 in (if DHC'd out) then you can run the jam session dirt nap setup and either kill their last char for sure, or their last 2 chars if you can optimise it enough using XF.
I like the idea of having Morridoom as the back up of the runaway plan fails and Phoenix dies, but while Doom is good at runaway vs a LOT of characters, most of the better characters in the game have a good matchup vs him so you will run into trouble often. Or at best your opponents would be able to counter pick the team hard. One glaring issue is that while Doom's runaway is decent, he's not great at doing it while in a normal jump state (to allow him to call assists while hiding at the top of the screen), so it's not as good as say MODOK/morrijean which can sit at the top of the screen and call harmoniser repeatedly if the opponent doesn't have an answer (and in some cases the opponent's answer just sends MODOK higher and resets some of his air actions). A similar
@@SpartanThrone I agree however if you do manage to get 5 bars you can snowball really quick. I also think you underrating running the team (like Noel brown )does with doom in second
@@RndmnoiseboxI think those 3 have some good synergy to be found, but not as much or as strong as other variations on the team. Hawkeye mid or point Strider anchor for sure Ryu is the weak link but your original order was best. Easiest way to improve the team would be to replace Ryu. Best options might be: Vergil/H/S Zero Or a different mid Hawkeye/ Dante or Doom/ Strider But there's lots to find with your original suggestion, so play about with it and see if you want to change it up
So uh... I guess I had one more change for the main team in me. Turns out, I like Doom a lot more than I initially throught. The fact that he had only projectiles for specials originally made me think of him as a pure projectile zoner (just with a hilariouly easy corner combo alongside it curtisy of footdive), but I finally learned that he's so much move versatile than that. Of course the zoning and keepout is very much there, alongside Footdive being even scarier of a tool for the opponent to deal with than I thought. However, he feels like he's got answers for everything the opponent might throw at him. And I really like versatility, so... Yeah. (Also really helps that I found an actual mid-screen combo lmao) He's taking Sentinel's spot without hesitation, so now my main team is Cap/Task/Doom. Although I'm not too sure which Cap assist works best for the both of them, Task getting horizontal arrows and Doom getting missiles for assists just feels like a huge no-brainer for me. Don't think pivit the main team again, but learning all these characters has been very helpful with learning more about my style. Thanks for the help you've provided! Maybe we'll get a new MvC with in the future with Cyclops as part of the roster without mods :)
@@SpartanThrone that probably won't happen, as Cap and Task are hard-locked into the team. This feels a lot more versatile and fundamental to me than it would if Sent took one of those spots (I like my all-rounders and shotos). Also Sent being that tall and that slow kinda threw me off once I learned a mid screen combo for Doom lmao (and this comes from someone that mains Demitri in Darkstalkers and Sagat in most Street Fighters) That being said I may make a team with Sent and Ryu for fun :)
I used to play this game a lot as a kid, I just got it back recently. My team went from Dante/ryu/hulk to wesker/tron/the dog and I’ve just discovered zero/morigan/the dog idk which team comp to put the most effort into
Zero/Morrigan/Ammy is definitely the most complete team of those 3! If you've played a bit of Dante then you could also consider Zero/Morrigan/Dante too. Both are a little different from what people normally pick but would both do work once you get efficient with your characters!
Wesker, dog, Dante is good also pick your point and anchor Dog can anchor or wesker Morrigans higher execution RYU,Dog, wesker is a easy team RYU gets otg with dog gets otg from wesker assist and you get wesker anchor or you can put him on point and get tons of damage with externauoj of tatsu assit extension
Hey Sparty, thanks so much for all these tech videos sharing insight on the game even in 2023/2024. Decided to pick up umvc3 seriously this year after being mostly a fan and spectator since the vanilla days and your 2023 tier list video sparked a whole new marvel craze for me with all the in-depth discussion that it contained. Was hoping to get your thoughts on the team I'm working on. Started off playing Spiderman/dante/nova but then a friend suggested to play nova/dante up front with spiderman as an anchor so that xfactor lvl 3 can offset his lack of damage, what do you think? I should add that spidey is the one character i want to build around and i'd like to avoid playing Vergil/doom because i've been playing them since launch and i'd prefer to learn some new characters.
Spidey is an interesting one because he wants quite specific partners to be properly effective. I'm not the Spiderman man honestly but I know his team building can be quite particular. It would likely be best to ask in the US marvel discord for advice in the team building thread and get the opinion of someone like lilmonix. Are you in that discord group already?
Im new and looking just to play casually, but id like my team to be not entirely terrible. I want Ghost Rider for sure but ive seen from research he doesn't have the most extensive kit as far as combos go. Who would go good with him? Ideally id like spiderman, Doom, and Ghost Rider. But i also think Firebrand could replace spiderman and work well. Ive also seen that Felicia has some nice assist combos with Ghost rider. What do you think? Reply at your leisure and at the end of the day im a hyper casual so im not afraid to learn the hard way.
@@jabbathehutt2774 Ghost Rider / x / Doom would be decent! Nothing amazing, but GR does like Doom's support. Then mess with both Spidey or Felicia. Spiderman really likes Plasma support or Missiles for combos. Felicia really likes Plasma Beam too and there's some stuff if I recall right where you can command throw with her then hard tag to Doom for less scaled damage! Sounds like a fun trio!
Anchor magneto is insanely good 👍 You usually see him as point or support cause he’s already so good. But Mags as a anchor is so strong rushing down or getting in then incoming mix ups alone. He’s so good how the Meta plays him though you often don’t see people relying on this.
When I first played these were my teams. 1. Dante/Task/Sentinel (If Dante was getting bodied I would put Task on point) 2. Task/Dante/Doom Nowadays I like the Dorm/Doom missiles combo, but dont know a simple point character. Magneto is too much for me.
@@xProxable dorm/doom missiles is lovely. For a char simpler than Mags... Zero might be an option. He's not simpler than Mags in terms of learning tricky things, but he's so good that even is basic tools can be easier to USE. Cap works well with both characters and assists. As does Taskmaster, he might be the simplest! Both of these are quite middle of the pack, not bad but not amazing, but do his that simple criteria well. Outside of those, maybe Vergil. Similar to Zero it's the strength of the character and his tools that make him simple to play. There's a learning curve, but not as much as with Zero.
I remeber playing Mvc3 on the ps3 a lot a few years ago. I just bought ultimate yesterday since it was on sale in the playstation store and am looking to get back into it. I used to only really play dante, but since getting back I've tried a lot of the characters, and i like a lot of them my 2 favorite are probably Dante and Chun-li, I know in the begininning of the video you said to not really pick a few you like and ask for help, but is there a third that works well with these 2? Edit: alright after seeing how people feel about Chun li I'm feeling Dante, Virgil and magneto. Thoughts? They all seem to be able to play interchangeable roles
X-23/Wolverine/Deadpool has been my longtime main team, Cap/Iron Man/Hulk as my 2nd and Spidey/Iron Man/Cap as 3rd. I'm realizing on a certain level I have 2 get away from just playing characters I personally like (X-Men & Avengers) so I'm considering getting back 2 characters like Storm, Phoenix and Magneto 2 expand my options and competitive viability. I *TRIED* 2 work out those Magneto combos 4 the longest. I could barely get them consistently in training, much less a laggy online match.
Yes that's it. As you play more you eventually realise that teams (despite how much you like them) might actually hold you back. That with some small or large changes you might have more potential. It definitely takes hard work, but long term you are going to benefit by adding more of the solid characters in the game into your repertoire and continuing to experiment and innovate.
Hey man not sure if you still respond to this channel, but my squad is Nemesis Wesker Doom. Would you suggest Wesker or doom as anchor? I have tried both and I like doom as dhc for nemesis but I think I’m better at doom with xfactor 3 hehe
Nova morrijean I saw amongst shadow run it so it must be good pog. On a slightly more serious note I want to try running morg doom Phoniex. Fchamp / Noel brown ran alot of doom Phoniex shell. Morrigan even without astral is seen as a good character especially combine with doom missile. Morg and Doom both have TAC infinites. You can tag into doom to gain loads of meter. Even if you kill Phoniex you have morg doom.
I feel like the doom/morrijean, or morridoom/Jean (whichever order) kinda suffers a lot from the back up plan being better than the main plan. Morridoom without astral means the neutral chip threat is highly, highly diminished, and she isn't building tremendous bar or carrying to the corner well to facilitate doom TACs. If you play it doom first then you can run away and build bar, but doom unassisted loses hard to nearly anything and everything good. Love the idea but I feel like it would be one of the most mid versions of where a morrijean team can potentially get to.
Firebrand/Chun-Li/Phoenix? Firebrand is a great point and with shot assist, trap assist or overdrive assist from Phoenix could work in the neutral, Chun-Li lightning Legs assist could setup up from Firebrand unlockable maybe? And Firebrand gets first hit into TAC Chun infinite? Just an idea, what do you think?
It's not bad but not great, Firebrand really does like a beam assist for neutral, I feel like you're going to struggle in neutral with just Chun to reliability call. Firebrand and Doom are best friends so Doom 2nd is a possibility, as is Iron Man but he's a struggle. That said, depends on your objective and how serious you intend to get! You could definitely learn the game with that team.
@@SpartanThrone I want to use phoenix as my reliable call, can tk overdrive go thru beams? Cuz if so it'd be a great assist plus using phoenix assist as my reliable call, she is also bait for my opponent to try n punish the assist which let's me have a situation to bait them into something unsafe
@@johnglover8905 she's never going to be a reliable call honestly 😂 she's almost always going to be too at risk and die without good reason, and if you already have 5 bars she does without popping. If you wanna play like that it's your call, and you'll be best with either TK shot and moving with it as it travels, or TK overdrive because a) yes it does go through projectiles, b) it's fast and travels far, and c) it's one of a few assists that can autocorrect once it comes out facing one way, and the opponent ends up behind her. See which one suits your style more!
I liked a lot this topic. I played just to have fun until year and half ago. I wanna build a new team for practicing seriously. Do you have any source to know which chars do better as point, mid or anchor? Or in your discord can I find that answers? New sub! Great videos!
You will likely find something like that if you Google it, might be a little outdated but you can always ask in the discords for more advice! The best points are chars like: Morrigan, Zero, Magneto, Vergil, MODOK, Nova, Viper, Wolverine etc Some of these can be in other spots too, like Morrigan is often a mid, Vergil is sometimes mid but most often the anchor. Some good mids are: Doom, Dorm, Vergil, MODOK, Morrigan, Sentinel etc Good anchors: Vergil, Strider, Doom, Strange, Rocket, Hawkeye etc There's many more but I'm just about to go out! If you have char/team ideas feel free to reply here or ask in the EU/US discords!
This is a great refresher course and helpful as I reexplore this game What is a effective team for Iron Man? Here are my team ideas so far Zero May Cry Logan May Cry Wolverine, Dante, Akuma SPIDEY, Iron Man, Dante SPIDEY, Dante, Strider I’m also open to other characters and other options
You have some really good team ideas there! If you like Iron Man you typically want him not on point. He can be mid as support for a team like point/support/anchor, or point/support/support... Or alternatively you can put him at the back and do something like point/point/support that way, or again support there in the mid spot. Just as long as you are making use of his Unibeam assist and at some point utilising his TAC infinites you will get good mileage out of IM. Some decent team include; Mag/Iron Man/Sent Wolverine/Spencer/Iron Man Nova/Vergil/Iron Man Vergil/Iron Man/Dante But there are loads of team makeups that work for him, just know that in most cases you are picking a much worse Doom.
@@SpartanThrone yeah that’s true I just like Iron Man a lot as a character so I’d pick him over Doom. I’m just getting back Into the game slowly and replaying a friend next week so I wanted to ask you another question What is a good strategy and synergy with Wolverine, Dante, Vergil and Zero May Cry? If you can provide combos that would be nice although I can find those online. Relearning this game in 2023 is a lot different for me than learning it in 2013 in a good way?
@@alexlovehall7796 that team is hard to be optimal with honestly, the combo routes are really specific to be optimal, Wolvy Doom Vergil is like 3 or 5x stronger than it. Basically you need to study Wolvy combos from PR Rog or Punk when they play that team, likely the easiest way to study it. Failing that you can play Wolvy/Iron Man/Dante, or Wolvy/Iron Man/Vergil, and go for a similar game plan
@@SpartanThrone thanks for the advice on that team setup. I figured it would be hard to play Iron Man but yikes. I was asking on how to be optimal with Zero may Cry or Logan May Cry however, as I love all 4 of those characters and they are top tier
@@alexlovehall7796 ahh, well Zero may cry is definitely a lot more straightforward. If you like those 3 then you are starting super well. Jibrill, Evasion and Rambam are some of the best using that team (i *think* rambam uses that?) But there's definitely a lot of footage of the other 2. Zero is so efficient he can kill from pretty much any scaled hit and jam is one of his best assists. You are generally just looking to control space with zero's lightning xx buster cancels, plus Jam session and waiting for opponents to make a mistake early on, but then you can work in lots of his scary cross up lightning, teleport xx buster, little staggers etc
Whike Vergil is great, you really need a neutral assist, and Doom is the absolute best 3rd char for that team. Plasma Beam is the assist to pick. Spencer/PW/Doom is the order. If you want to explore that team yourself go for it, but have you heard of the player Aonien? He is the most successful and advanced player of that team. If you search for his footage you will learn a lot, including seeing how he uses Spencer/PW to setup unblockables every time.
You have a number of options there! Try messing with some of these: Vergil (damage engine, top 3 character, though limited options when falling in 2nd). Spencer (damage engine, invulnerable reversal, Slant shot assist could make for interesting chun resets) Strange (gives you a real neutral assist in bolts, works decent enough with akuma, like Vergil is also a good anchor if akuma dies) Storm (I imagine a chun/storm team could be played very dry/keep away to frustrate opponents). Task/Hawkeye (both have horizontal projectile assists. Hawkeye is a little more zoning focused than task, but task has more damaging DHCs) Rocket (safe DHC, works nice with akuma, great support for chun with either spitfire or pendulum assists) Hmm, I could suggest others, but some chars struggle to get the most from tatsu assist outside of the corner. Like, doom or Iron man would be great chun support, but they themselves have a hard time converting tatsu consistently. Arthur can work. Dante can work too. Magneto can work but he's not the best mid char due to his DHCs. Haggar too. Have a play around and see!
@@SpartanThrone Wow! Thank you for the quick reply. Hmm, i might give storm a try. The storm/akuma shell seems valid cus of Jwong (well then again hes a marvel god), and RyanLV’s playstyle with chun seems to emphasize keepaway, using Chun’s ability to “hover” in the air with her numerous specials and like you said, storm could layer on that type of game-plan. What would you think about the viability of that team? Would you personally go for something else?
@@WHITEOUTbomber8 personally I'd choose Spencer or Vergil! But the storm version is decent enough to make viable, it's just unusual. Marvel is a game where your level relative to your opponent is the bigger decider of victory. So basically... Get gud 😂
I'm really having fun with my main team (Wolverine berserker barrage, Spencer slant shot, Doom beam). I will admit, not really an amazing team. It's more like a snowball team where you got to keep the momentum up. Not trying to compete at the moment, but I am wondering how I can make this team better. I do like playing Nova, Spencer, Doom from time to time, but was wondering if there's anything that can help Wolverine since he's my favorite comic book character. Maybe a better anchor or mid?
That's a decent Wolvy team honestly! If you are looking for a change I will never not recommend Wolvy/Doom/Vergil (using Tornado Claw for Wolvy to get Vergil an OTG pickup assist). It's super effective but you must have both Fatal Claw loops AND Doom TAC infinites to take it to a high level... That said it's also a really easy and effective casual team too if you aren't looking to go quite as hard at training it. The Nova/Spencer/Doom team is overall better I think, but if you don't feel like playing that full time then I understand. Wolvy does have a certain appeal!
so I have a few teams in mind that consist of characters im (somewhat) good with and was wondering if anyone could give some feedback on them, thanks in advance. team 1: doom/haggar/sentinel team 2: captain/haggar/sentinel team 3: phoenix wright/arthur/haggar team 4: captain/doom/haggar P.S. i think you can tell i really like haggar
Hmmm. Haggar is cooooool. You can def make teams focused on him. However he should either be point or anchor, he's no good mid (unless your point is Zero). Haggar/doom/sent is great Cap/sent/Haggar is good Team 3 is assssssss, but Arthur and Haggar are good friends if you maybe tried cap or sent or doom with those 2 you'd be doing alright. Team 4 is good too, I like it in that order. Haggar is a scary character at 99, and if you can kill in such a way that Haggar is left to mixup their next character with an assist like drones behind him he can have some really nice layered mixups. He's neat!!
Cap/Vergil/Doom! Used to run Vergil anchor, but having Vergil second allows me value team synergy over XF3 comebacks. Thinking of running Cap/Vergil/Hawkeye though!
Nice, you have kills from way more confirms with Vergil 2nd, makes the prospect of neutral shields so scary. I like the Hawkeye version too, and I would definitely keep both teams in your pocket because Hawkeye has some really good matchups vs characters than wreck Doom eg. Most zoning chars
So I'm brand new to UMvC3, and relatively new to team fighters in general, my first one being Dragon Ball FighterZ. I'm going to run Amaterasu, Strider Hiryu and Phoenix, (X-Men Phoenix not Phoenix Wright) but I don't know where to put them, where should they go? I heard what you said about Strider needing to be anchor, but I'd like to know where the other two should be. Thanks.
so Ghost Rider didnt work out for me but now im intrested in a Nova/MODOK shell because they seem like flexible with each other, but I dont know which anchor assist to pick between Vajra or Jam Session. Vajra is the premier anti-air but its not very helpful at much else, while Jam Session seems like is not as good at anti-airing (and Dante seems to hard for me as a beginner) but it also immensely helps with Nova & MODOK's pressure and setups Which anchor do you think I should pick?
That's a big tier shift 🤣 Both work! Really good teams either way, slightly stronger support with Dante, better anchor with Strider. Both can convert from either assist, but Nova gets a lot more damage from Strider. Go with what you like the feel of with that!
Sums it up yep, and while most characters are completely figured out there are still those that may have some synergy left to be explored and revealed. Who knew Wolvy/Dorm/IF could be potent on the world stage?
@@SpartanThrone tho speaking of characters who work well with each other, do you which characters work well with Ghost Rider? I really want to abuse his 2 frame full screen Snapback, but I don't really know what to do after I do snap the opponent since Ghost Rider's mixup game is kinda bad so the lockdown assists like Amaterasu Coldstar/Super Skrull Tenderizer aren't helpful
@@lancergt1000 focusing on the snap is probably too minute/niche. GR does like Doom plasma or missiles (probably molecular shield too). Haggar too, lariat is great for him. Arthur with daggers. Doom/Ammy could work. I'm no GR expert, probably watch sacktap/magicpixelmexican!
I used to play Zero, Wesker and Dante as an absolute idiot to competrtive/tournament play. I used to be able to chain combos pretty well between characters, but that was vanilla MVC 3 and I haven't played it in years. But Dr Doom was also one of the best characters hands down, such good range and damage, fittingly.
I’m wanting to get into this game and I happen to like Deadpool and Wolverine a lot and would love to put them on a team, if possible, which seems like it might but, I’ll just have to figure out synergistically how they work together
Just found this video and wanted to get your opinion on a team I've been using lately. Captain America, Taskmaster, Doctor Doom Love playing cap and taskmaster and i feel like doom hidden missiles assist covers parts of screen that I may not be able to cover with the others
I like Missiles for both Cap and Task, sounds like a workable team! Got your work cut out for you without a definitive anchor, but with those 3 chars you have a nice trio who you could swap any 1 for another character later on down the line
Sorry only just seen this, that's a team that could do with a string neutral assist. Vergil/Wesker/Akuma sounds like it's good. Wolv/Doom/Vergil very good ofc. Wolv/Wesker/Akuma is good
I just started playing this game and I'm enjoying it. I picked a team of Nova, Dr Doom and Shuma Gorath. Is This a good team? I'm also not quite sure what positions they should be I just like them the most.
@@direraven7735 that's a cool take on a solid shell! Nova/Doom is really solid (Plasma Beam is Nova's best friend) and can fight a lot of the best teams in the game. Shuma is the interesting part. Nova also loves Mystic Ray assist, and Doom gets a lot of control/freedom from it. Damage might be a concern later on but for now it's cool trio. I recently uploaded a basic team plan for Nova/Spencer/Doom so that might be a half decent watch even though it's a slightly different team!
Just started getting into the game myself. Although i am very competitive and played Smash tournaments, I dont fully care if im playing for fun or competitively. My team is PheonixW/Rocket/Hsien-ko
You mentioned task unblockable at the end, but has it been proven that task can actually land unblockable off incoming? I was under the impression firebrand had the only true 300% gameplan, and that there's always a way out otherwise. But if Task can lock down with the right assists, then he can easily do 300% with the right damage engine. Or alternatively, how would I go about trying to lab incoming unblockables to see how airtight they truly are?
There's stuff out there on YT about his unblockable tho iirc it can be hard to search up! I'm not a Task player and there aren't that many out there so I can't theorise myself that well as I don't have the expertise/haven't seen many people experiment who do. One of my ideas was like Task/Dorm/Dante. Kill with Stalking Flare DHC, charge meteors spell and lay carpet, throw the spell, hard tag back to Task, shield kills plus jam, unblockable. Still ways out tho. FB's gameplan is much more inescapable!
@@SpartanThrone I'll look into stuff a bit more. I have a super meter+ XF1 route off unblockable (with the right assist), and then you can always go into sword loops or something to kill the last character with all your remaining meter, but I'm struggling to find a full team that let's me do both of these at once while also being a good assist for Task's combo game outside of the unblockable. All the pieces are there, I just haven't figured out how to put them all together yet
I probably know the answer myself but I want a confirm ngl: - Morrigan or Chun li (I'm a waifu picker) - Dormammu or Doom if I pick Chun (The coolest marvel villain not named Doom. Also EVERYONE plays doom which I dont like that) - Vergil (I'm actually a DMC fan who also played the series and mvc3 doesn't have Nero so I pick my 2nd favorite in Vergil) And the gameplan is as expected: A lot of zoning, moving and killing. My question is just are the shells good? Like f.e. I need vergil on point does he benefit from both assists? Or a Dormammu? Is Dormammu/Morrigan(chun), Dormammu/Vergil, Morrigan(chun)/Vergil great? Just these questions I have in my mind
Yo! Getting a little confused what teams exactly you're proposing, but to a certain extent it isn't too important because generally you might not want to pair some of those together unless you're not too worried about synergy/gameplan. Morrigan/Dorm/Vergil doesn't work properly because there's no main neutral assist and Dorm and Vergil both want a good neutral assist and both want to spend the meter on the team. Chun/Doom/Vergil absolutely works and sounds super annoying to fight honestly. Chun is a very annoying/pesky char, and Doom/Vergil is super good. If you snap chun out to stop Dark Vergil from being available, Dark Chun is hard to deal with in her own right, similar to Nova.
@@JawsFG_ yep definitely the better team and also despite being doom/Vergil so quite common, chun point is still rare and very tricky. I think it's key with that team to get down some corner carry combos for chun to allow you to then use Doom's tac infinites in a lot of games to stockpile meter while killing
Hi 👋, im trying to play the game seriously and am really enjoying x23 and trish but im unsure of what position they should be in and who my third character should be, so i've just been going in circles. My goals are to be good online and possibly even do online tournaments. I'm open to make sacrifices as long as I have good team synergy, think you could make a suggestion?
@@soy2878 I'd play something like Trish/Dante/X23 The game plan would be to play Trish like normal with Jam Session assist to back her up. At first you would want to learn standard BnBs, and try to kill like normal, occasionally using X23's unblockable if you find you have 3 bars and XF for their last character or maybe their 2nd if you're desperate. If you land a combo in a situation that takes them to the corner you could eventually learn Dante's TAC infinite, and that would allow you to then kill the next 2 characters with Dirt Nap, OTG xx XF then combo them to death before Dirt Napping the last character. You could also learn Trish's TAC infinite for when you have Dante or X23 on the field so you have more flexibility. It's not a perfect team by any means, typically you sacrifice a little bit when you play Trish, and sacrifice a bit more when you play X23. But it's viable if you are as good or better than your opponent and put in the time in training mode! That said, the closest good team would be team DMC in Trish/Vergil/Dante (or T/D/V). Check out some KBrad footage for this team he is the best Trish team player overall (even tho there are other Trish players who do great stuff with her) as he has the best team for her imo.
Hey so I’m thinking of playing a wright/modok/amy team modoks psionic blaster and cold Star could cover wright while he collects evidence then after the gets all the evidence swap him out with modok leaving modok with two assists cold star and either press the witness or at em missle haven’t decided missle is better for hitting grounded opponents which modok struggles with while press the witness is better for combo extensions but that might not be necessary with cold Star around anyways if modok goes down wright will come out with all evidence and cold Star assist pretty good then amy on anchor since she is best with X factor and rush-down although modok and wrights assists also benefit her with blaster giving her some much needed range and missle also giving her that and pressing the witness helps with combos any thoughts from a pro since I am planning to go pro although I don't really want to use top tiers also help me decide which wright assist would be better
Okay, if you like PW and think this team can work you are thinking along the right lines. You'll have to do some work in training to get sequences down with assists to let you call Miya shield and start getting evidence, but both MODOK beam and cold star are good for it. MODOK has a decent DHC if you find a way to land his whole extension (see priest's mag to MODOK DHC) and you can kill with MODOK, place his Dorito shield, tag PW and call Miya. Later in game PW team super with either MODOK or Ammy will hold them for a good amount of time to get evidence later on, especially with Ammy. As for which PW assist, Missile is usually the pick unless you have a really specific use for his other assists. Missile being a fullscreen slow moving assist is good, plus it hits low so with certain setups you can get the occasional unblockable (unless you play Spencer/PW because they get unblockable resets on every Spencer hit).
I’ve been playing this game since it’s came out, at least a run a year minimum. Throughout the years I’ve played many characters, but along the way I have found myself sitting with Wolverine, Hulk & Akuma. This month I have recently gotten back into it, & I’m currently working on Spider-Man. He was always my dream character to learn but I was too intimidated to learn him. However now that I have the hang of him- I wonder who on my team I should replace with him - my team is Wolverine, Hulk & Akuma, I’m pretty skilled with all 3. Who should get swapped for Spider-Man, if I were to swap a character?
Really hard to say! It's probably either: Wolvy/Spidey/Akuma Hulk/Spidey/Akuma or Spidey/Hulk/Akuma Not the best teams but probably some fun stuff there regardless!
@@SpartanThrone was silently praying you would say Wolvy/Hulk/Spidey would work out lol!! Would’ve had a nice Marvel team with my top 3 marvel characters of all time. I think i will keep playing & just use all 4 characters. Until I’m set with that perfect team
Would a team of Deadpool/Dormammu/Vergil work? If not, Deadpool and Vergil are who I'm super interested in but I'm not sure who else I should put in there. I don't mind if they're not top tier, just need to complement good enough
You've got good taste! That team you suggested needs a main assist, so you can keep it was Deadpool and Vergil and in the middle put: Dante Doom Hawkeye Rocket Strange Iron Man MODOK Arthur Probably more but I'm drawing blank right now. Or alternatively put Strider on anchor, or possibly Mags. Deadpool Vergil are both good picks so as long as you have any assist you're working towards really good team synergy!
@@SpartanThrone Thank you! I didn't realize that many could help with Deadpool and Vergil. I'll try them out and see which one I like the most. Appreciate the suggestions.
Hey, newer player here! I've been running a team of Wesker/Sentinel/Dante. They work pretty well together, at least playing casually with my friend. But would this survive competitively? The big problem I've noticed is that Wesker's level 1 really doesn't want to cooperate with Sentinel and Dante DHC wise. I have to time the DHC pretty specifically depending on how it behaves.
I've seen that dhc work with Dante pretty well! You can put him 2nd perhaps. Issue with that team is that any hits coming from Dante's assist is going to be scaled and Wesker's scaling can't make up for that so he's looking to TAC, to snap them out or to reset but ideally he would want to kill. Wesker/Mag/Sent or Wesker/Sent/Dante could be proper viable, but honestly if you're better than your opponent your team will absolutely work. Until you get to the highest level and maybe want a bit more from it.
@@SpartanThrone I actually found a TOD using Dante's assist today, something I'm quite proud of! Thanks for your *stunningly* quick feedback, I'll stick with this team for now with it in mind. Next I gotta see if I can actually get some style going with Dante lol. Have an excellent day!
I got the game just cuz of Wright, and I made him point, Frank middle and Doom in the back... I have no clue how to get the ball rolling or what assists to use
@@kerokerocola99 you've picked an interesting set of chars! First of all, you'd probably want Missile for PW, Shopping Cart for Frank and either Plasma Beam for Doom or Missiles. But I should explain that PW and Frank both need to be leveled up, and both generally want the team to be about them and them alone. So if possible I'd steer you away from playing both and instead focus on just one of them. Secondly, Doom is decent support for PW, but Frank doesn't really work tremendously well with Doom (plus Frank and PW have limited synergy together). So it's a team with a challenges! If that's not a problem for you and you're just interested in pressing buttons then go for it!
@@kerokerocola99 the best established team with PW & Doom is Aonien's team with Spencer/PW/Doom! Spencer uses Missile assist to get an unblockable reset, so any hit with Spencer kills. PW/Dante/Doom PW/Doom/Ammy PW/Doom/Strider PW/Doom/Vergil Those are very strong pairings for Doom that will help support PW also. You could play a lot of chars honestly depending on if you're going to try play/compete and get good (cause PW is already a weaker char). If you wanna run your team ideas by me, feel free.
Haha sounds like it could potentially function, most chars are fairly viable when paired with a shell that good. Are you planning to build some meter with Dark Harmonizer, then activate gold armor and DHC to astral?
@@SpartanThrone you already know it fam, Morrigan with gold armor assist and Doom Missiles and if morrigan dies, we still have doom w gold armor assist
Absolutely, one of the best teams in the game. Has faults, but is able to compete with pretty much everything. Watch LiberalTerminator footage for inspiration.
If I am looking to be competitive, is Akuma, Doom and Wolverine a bad choice? The only character I want to lock in is Akuma, just because I’m a long time akuma main in SF. The rest I don’t particularly care about, I would have gone Akuma, Doom and Vergil but I know Akuma has synergy with Wolverine
Short answer is that team is okay. You'll have to outplay opponents to win. Wolvy/Doom/Akuma is likely the best order. Akuma 1st/on point isn't really effective because his tools aren't... Fluid... and he only has 1 bar to start with. He can demon flip about and throw fireballs, but he's quite vulnerable and loses attrition wars because his health is 2nd lowest at 750k. His threat comes from being on anchor with 3+ bars and XF3. If you pressure him he can mash team super when left on his own because his DP super is invulnerable on startup. And his main threat is that any assist call can be annihilated with super xx XF air super from full screen. Wolvy loves both plasma beam and tatsu. The team falls apart a bit when Wolvy dies however. If Akuma is the one you want to play and you'd like to maximise that, I might suggest something like: Magneto Vergil Strange Zero Haggar Rocket Raccoon Sent Spencer Nova There's more, but teams like Mag/Vergil/Akuma, or Zero/Strange/Akuma all provide top chars and great support to maximise your competitiveness and ability to utilise Akuma well. If you haven't already, I absolutely recommend you watch LivinLegend play, he's the best Akuma, it's not close.
@@SpartanThrone absolute legend you mate, think I’ll chuck out wolverine and just have 2 top tiers as well. I don’t want to work any harder than I have to, thank you
@@JAZtheGamer9000 I respect the forthright request. Arthur is a nice pick cause Doplghost has shown some good/fun Thor/Arthur synergy and Iron Fist likes Daggers assist, especially when gold, and he also has some good anchor moments if the opponent has already spent their XF. Iron Man is also good, Unibeam is great for IF and I'm sure Thor can use it. Iron Man isn't the strongest anchor, but he's capable once you learn his routing and he has a 3f mashable THC super that hits the opponent before the flash happens which is kinda broke (but attached to a weaker char). Hawkeye could work with Greyhound Strange or Rocket DEFINITELY work for both. Bolts for Strange or Spitfire Twice for Rocket. Thor does like Rockets Pendulum (log trap) assist more, but IF will lose some damage without the wall bounce. Akuma Tatsu could work Outside of that it's struggle mode with like Chris (machine gun) or Trish (low voltage) or some such who aren't really anchors in much of a sense but could get by.
@@SpartanThrone Thanks, I found a good anchor in the form of Chun Li. she may not have been any of those but I have had fun with her, and I'm Trying out other teams with characters I like such as Iron Fist, Nova, Deadpool, Wesker, and even a bit of Hsien-ko.
I'm Recently going to Pick up the game for the first time I just know that i want to play ryu but don't know who else could be a good pick por the rest of the team or where his position on the team would be
Ryu is a limited character, he needs good support characters around him to function well. I've seen him run on point and mid. Characters he likes are: Shuma (mystic Ray) Doom (plasma or missiles mainly, but rocks can work) Dante (Jam) Magneto (disruptor) Rocket (pendulum or spitfire) Arthur (daggers) Basically he likes most good supports and anyone with with steering assists. Neutral assists that double as OTG assists are extra helpful because he can otg himself without super (eg. Mystic Ray and Missiles) Vergil (rapid slash)
I used to play alot of Marvel when I was little and now that I'm older and have better execution I wanna get back into the game. How would you say a team of Hsien-Ko(a) Magneto(a) Akuma(b) . Hsien-Ko on point to get gold and tac in Magneto. Alternatively put Magneto point and TAC in to Gold then hard tag
Glad you're coming back to marvel! That team's weak link is definitely Hsien Ko, but if you're liking her then Mag/Akuma are definitely 2 chars who help her out a lot. The only top player using her in recent years is PZpoy so definitely look him up using Hsien Ko/Doom/Vergil if you haven't already! Overall to improve that team putting Mag on point is a good start, but ultimately switching to a better char than Hsien would be the biggest game changer. Spencer, Doom, Dorm, Vergil, Task, Strange, Rocket, etc etc work for sure!
I’m running wolverine/mag/sentinel or wolverine/Frank west / magneto or magneto / Frank / sentinel , how does this team sound ? I’ve been trying to learn doom , Virgil and dorm
Wolvy is a character who needs 3 assists but is only allowed to pick 2. He needs imo: 1) conversions from throws at any height or super jump 2) strong neutral assist / possibility of lockdown 3) assists that provide extensions at the end of combos He needs the assists to meet those criteria, but also preferably wants one of the assists to also be low hits so he can do big damage from them. Sadly any combination of assists will only cover 2 of those three max, and often the better the neutral assist the harder for him to use it in combos (disruptor and drones), or if it's a good neutral assist that he can use in combos then often it will scale the damage heavily (plasma, jam session). Really tough to build a team for wolvy because of this limitations. Certain teams get around it in different ways. Wolvy/doom/vergil is probably the best team overall for him, and it allows him to deal with scaling issues by using doom's tac infinite and also relying on the strong anchor on the team in vergil. Wolvy/dante/akuma is a super reset heavy team and the mixups are great, but it comes down to giving opponents more chances than other teams give. Wolvy/dorm/shuma has maybe the best combination of neutral and reset/mixup capability. Wolvy/dorm/Iron Fist is a bit mad and relies heavily in rising fang assist due to wolvy's ground pressure making people flinch or take to the air and get hit by the assist which does 1 hit for 130k iirc, so the damage on the combo is high and the welcome mixups and pressure is really stable. So of your teams, here's what I think: Wolvy/mag/sent is okay but wolvy will be using really short combos and having to tac infinite with magneto or reset with drones often because extensions are nearly impossible with those assists. It could work as wolvy/mag/doom or mag/wolvy/doom. Wolvy/frank/mags isn't really functional at all. Wolvy/Frank isn't a good frank pairing sadly as you need to rely on TACs too much to get the levels. Mag/Frank/dante is the best way to play mag and frank together, but vergil/frank/mag is possible as an okay team too. Mag/frank/sent could work but again it's not really optimal at all. Doom, vergil and dorm are 3 really good chars to focus on because they slot really nicely into a lot of teams, giving you flexibility later on.
Just started playing with nova and wesker so far, looking for a good third to probably anchor but also fine with running anchor wesker if need be, currently using thor but not sure if the team has the greatest synergy, think i need a horizontal projectile assists but not sure who
Nova and Wesker aren't too obviously synergetic with each other, but that doesn't mean you can't find good synergy if you run them for a while. Both of them like beams so you're on the right track. The issue is that you will struggle for damage, so my recommendation would be either: Nova/Wesker/Magneto - Mag's 1 hit disruptor assists helps avoid heavily scaled hits. Or think about replacing Wesker with Vergil or Spencer to boost Nova's damage (this opens up options like Doom plasma or Iron Man unibeam).
@@SpartanThrone thanks for the quick response and helpful tips, i have a lot of fg experience so I'm not too worried about execution but when trying Vergil I found figuring out when to do the raw super jump in his bnb to be pretty difficult, I do really like the idea of having a Vergil anywhere on the team and am willing to replace Wesker with him due to the team running anchor Wesker kind of just being a dollar store Vergil. Also magneto over Thor also makes a lot of sense since a lot of the utility I like about Thor mag does way better, so I think I'll try him out as well but I am on pad so I've heard execution is difficult, thanks for the tips!
@@lukeblaker8009 pad is great for marvel! Plink dashing is quite clean on pad (though you have less options for button mapping if you want good plinks). If you do go with Nova/Mag then I recommend you watch both Mundank and/or AcesReturn as they're both top level with that shell.
@@SpartanThrone thanks for all the tips and recommendations, I really appreciate it, having a lot of fun so far with the game and can't wait to learn more, the other guides you have on your channel have also been very helpful so far.
Hi. Years later I know but I'd like to play a team that includes Viper and Morrigan. Thinking Viper in the point but I'm not sure if that would be a waste of what makes Morri strong. Also curious who you might suggest as a good third for that team. Cheers!
@@willb6913 it's a unique problem because Viper likes Plasma and Morrigan likes Missiles. Viper also does like to be on point, but has been made to work as an anchor before. Morrigan is great on point tho, and if you were to make a team I'd recommend something like Morrigan/Doom/Viper with Missiles assist. That said... You could mess about with assists that work for both chars (I'll list some ideas below), but just know that Morrigan becomes the best version of herself when she has Missiles: Strider Vajra Rocket Log or Spitfire Magneto Disruptor Iron Man Unibeam Strange Bolts Dante Jam Hawkeye Greyhound Arthur Daggers Sentinel Drones MODOK Psionic Blaster
@@LordAlvaro888 frankly... Not great. Maybe just below good? Could make it work? Gonna struggle if you want to be competitive with that trio. Spiderman like Unibeam, Morrigan makes use of pretty much any assist well, but Missiles is by far (it's not even close) her best assist. Spidey doesn't really offer much support at all, so it's kinda like 2 points and an assist, playing Morrigan Unibeam and Spidey Unibeam. I'd focus on either making it a Morrigan team or a Spidey team and trade out one character to do it, but it depends on who you want to play more on your team. If you were to rank which characters you want to play most of those 1 to 3, what order would they be in? Also are you in the main UMvC3 discord?
Dante and Frank are definitely BFFs Akuma is a nice anchor with a good assist, only issue is that Dante point can be a bit of a struggle Vs top points. That said, so is Dormammu point and Noel makes that work so have at it!
I play 2 teams, Dante/Dormammu/X-23 and Viper/Jill/Strider, both teams to me seem to be good at taking care of X-23's win condition and Jill's suckiness, but idrk lmao, what is your opinion on the teams?
That first team was actually played by a high level Dutch player back in the day. Traumatisch is his name if you want to look up footage! He played it X23 Dorm Dante in that order, but the team is neat. Not the best for X23 overall, but up there as a decent enough team for her that can function. The Jill team sounds the weaker of the 2. Viper/Strider make a nice duo, but Jill only brings the team down because she doesn't synergise well in that position with those chars. Dante or Doom or Strange and some others like Rocket or MODOK all do well there if you're willing to learn. Otherwise if you like Jill and want to play her I really recommend putting her on point and using Sent with Drones or Doom with Plasma and some third like Spencer for a damage engine in 2nd.
Ryu is typically a point or mid. Point teams try to emphasise his strengths with assists that support him (ie. Durable beams, lockdown eg plasma, Tatsu, mystic Ray) Teams with him on mid still want to play Ryu, but realise he's limited on point so try to cover that with a strong point character in his place, utilising his safe install DHC and decent damage supers. (Alternatively Ryu is synergetic with the point and there *is* some reason for having him 2nd, but it's rare. Eg Iron Fist/Ryu). This isn't common and usually takes years of working on a team/duo like that to make it work.
@@SpartanThrone Thanks! One more question, does the team I have above have good synergy? I was thinking especially for Ryu using the hadoken assist just to give zero a little more openings and a little more damage, but he's mostly gonna be there as a second zero.
@@amethystbhb6080 Zero/Ryu would need a good support with them. Vergil is great but his assist is limited in neutral. Zero/Ryu/Doom for example can help that work. Vergil/Ryu too Or Ryu/Vergil. I've messed with Ryu/Vergil/Mag before, but any good assist at the back would work.
Few decent characters, but without a main strong assist it is a little bit on the weak side. I'm not familiar with the synergy those chars might have, you might find some very cool stuff, but I would recommend keeping 2 of them and looking to choose one of the better assists for your 3rd character!
@@SpartanThrone well, i chose spiderman and zero because I like both characters and their placement on the team is more because of how zero can help spiderman with his dhc supers both as an install in case of block with sougenmu and another extention after maximum spider with rekkoha since it hits otg Wesker is mainly there because web glide otg is not always reliable and I still can't do sentsuizan otg (zero's "dive kick") consistently (And he is mad strong as an anchor)
I working on Zero/ Morrigan/ Rocket. But I heard Zero/ rocket/Morrigan works better because you can infinitely call Morrigan . Overall is the team good?
Yes! Don't think the order matters that much for those 2, you have 2 safe DHCs in trap and astral. Zero can be in Sougenmu loads with that team and both Log Trap and Spitfire are great assists for Zero. Definitely front loaded, but if the game plan goes correctly you have no worries at all. The backup plan of Astral with Log is cool too, and XF can be saved pretty well for Rocket a lot of the time, or you can XF2 astral if they have burned their XF or if time is running down.
I was thinking about having a team with strider on point and dog at anchor with like whoever fits best on mid, but after watching this I think that wouldn’t work. Anyone got any advice?(I’m really new and shit, just kinda wanna have fun but with a decent team) (peak video btw, very informative) Edit- I have just realized they are both anchors. Whoops
@@FISHALADISH Strider/Doom/Ammy would be the best mid for those 2! Although you're right, it's not ideal, however it does have some real good synergy between chars. You could play Ammy/Doom/Strider, that's more functional. Ammy has the fastest jab in the game so she's a mean point char. Shogun plays point Ammy and players like Rokmode and Jumpman have great Ammy's too to take inspiration from. Either way, Doom is the best glue to stick those two together with. You are doing better than a lot of teams if you do combine those 3. Just have to learn it!
@@FISHALADISH you want to use Cold Star for Ammy, Vajra for Strider, and I recommend Plasma at first for Doom as it is really just friendly. Missiles is eventually the better Doom pick, but it takes more awareness to use compared to Plasma.
Point is most optimal by a good margin. 2nd works, especially if you learn a way to DHC into Lightning Loops, but generally he has a brilliant install super for safe DHCs in neutral and can control the pace of the game from there. Anchor can also work, but is the least desirable of the three. He is a bit disgusting in XF3 but it takes advanced understanding and execution to utilise it. You likely want a very strong point with a good assist 2nd if you want Zero last.
Revisiting and trying to learn the game somewhat casually while I wait for SF6. Wanted to mostly main Chris. Chris/Strange/Taskmaster? Also considered Dormammu or Wesker in place of either of the back two, but Im open to other options
Chris Strange Task sounds like a decent team, just quite mid. Me personally I'd mess with Chris/Dorm/Strange. Any is good tbh tho for what you want, get in training and find some cool stuff!!
How solid would Spencer/Doom (Plasma Beam)/vergil be? Been wanting to pick him up but don't really want to rin something like mundank's team (not a fan of nova)
That's a really good team. It kills, it has doom/Vergil who are both great. It has safe dhcs, hard tags, tac infinites etc etc lots of synergy. Spencer on point isn't 100% ideal, but it's still good and if you love Spencer then this is really good. One of the best Spencer players KyleP runs this team, though he notably uses Missiles instead of Plasma which these days is considered the 'wrong' choice because the horizontal control of beam is key for Spencer. But yeah have fun, that team is viable for sure!
Context: Im also working on tutorials and guides for Tron! This is one topic I was going to cover, because so far the average tron player (As few of us there are), dont have solid shells to work with.
I actually don't know if there are any left in the UK/EU. Used to have one in our scene. I suppose there are always people in retirement just waiting to come back lol
You can try to examine my duo modok dorm with other characters that support the team like doom, dante, sent, or even strange for that fact. I've mess with doom missiles and jam session.
I bet both of those versions with jam and missiles are really good. MODOK makes really good use of missiles for sure (as does dorm), but I'm not sure I've seen MODOK jam before properly. I can't comment on MODOK synergy with most chars, I don't have the depth of understanding of him tbh, but on a surface level I like the sound of Strange at the back more than Sent. I do like Sent for Dorm, but as the only assist for both Dok and Dorm drones leaves them a little vulnerable. I quite like the sounds of both Dok/Dorm with rocket / Log, as well as with Shuma I really like the idea of MODOK point for Dorm though, tell me more 👀👀
@@SpartanThrone ya for sure modok doom is up there cause of priest. Modok is a solid point character at the 99 he gets fly in the air and still assist which amazing for start nooch or go for cross up which wat I tend to do with modok shuma or modok dante. Modok has great pressure and mix up but the problem is his buttons aren't the greatest against other characters that can just put him pressure like wolverine Magento zero vergil morrigan ect. So Modok best position is second slot or first slot.
@@SpartanThrone original team for me when I first pick up modok was modok rr shuma cause I was a huge fan of punisher and angelic but the team wasn't all that great. I'm experimenting with modok dorm rr now cause a good friend just gave me the idea. So I'll just do some combo videos with the teams
@@SpartanThrone I'm not crazy w rocket but I have the Boulder loops. I drop rr cause I'm not the type who likes to reset more then 2 times to kill. I suck at doing resets constantly
@SpartanThrone I watched this video multiple times and looked up many things but I'm still wondering what a good team with dante would be without using vergil or doom?
Lots of options! Depends on your execution level and how much effort you want to put it. Some examples (which are workable shells to mix and match) might be: Mag/Dorm/Dante Viper/Dante/Strider Wolvy/Dante/Akuma Zero/Dante/Hawkeye Not an exhaustive list. Some other chars that go with Dante: Rocket Strange Arthur Sentinel MODOK Morrigan Magneto (on anchor to assist Dante)
@@rezn2262 Dante is usually better as mid or anchor, his buttons are a little slower than most point characters, though at most levels that definitely doesn't matter so much. For Rocket the easiest assist to use is Log Trap (Pendulum), its massive arc is really strong. Spitfire Twice is also really good. I like Strange as a 3rd for them using Bolts, but basically any main support or anchor character can go behind those 2 (except certain cases like Morrigan or Phoenix).
Just getting into this game. Extremely new player. based on gameplay that ive seen i was thinking of going with : wolverine(point) and then mageneto(assist) vergil(anchor) . How viable is thiss team lolll.
Good stuff glad you're experimenting! So that team would rely heavily on disruptor assist as the main neutral assist. Problem for wolverine though is that while it's a quick beam, it's also only 1 hit and low projectile durability. Other beams like Doom's plasma beam are slower but have more durability, allowing wolverine to call it and get past the opponent's projectiles. I find sometimes using just disruptor in neutral it can be beaten/nullified meaning your point character can't push in against teams with decent projectiles. Your team would work it's decent, but could be a little more optimal as either: Wolvy/Doom/Vergil or Mag/Doom/Vergil
Hmmmm. I'd probably run that Nova/X23/Ammy, but it's not exactly a strong team as it doesn't optimise Nova or X23. Nova/Doom/Ammy would be a good team for Nova and Ammy Or something like Nova/Dante/X23 might be a bit better for X23 while only changing 1 char.
Yes that seems both generally functional, but also Trish / Dante have good synergy together, as do Viper / Dante. I'm less sure about Viper / Trish but I *think* it should work nicely because Trish has the round harvest super which can support Viper unblockables (if they do block it the super). But also if you do an invul super with Viper you have that as a safe DHC. I would use Trish's Low Voltage assist. It's a cool team!
Both teams are fundamentally flawed! X23 is generally a weak point. She needs strong assists if you are choosing to play her on point, which Joe/Zero/Phoenix don't have. Most strong x23 teams now have her in the 3rd slot eg. Dante/Iron Man/X23. You may need to focus on either X23 or Joe, or if you must have both then Dante would be my pick for a 3rd for you (or Doom), but would advise you play something like Zero/Dante/X23 or Viewtiful Joe/Morrigan/Phoenix.
@@SpartanThrone (im just a beginner but looking on how my team is Wouldn’t it be best if zero goes first then x23 and veiwtufl joe my last cuz I can’t but pretty good combos with joe. I would solely rely on. Zero to do most damage. In the begging idk what should I look for. ?
@@acequides8292 if you are going to stick with those 3 chars for now then yep put a Zero first. Eventually I recommended starting to learn someone like Dante or Doom, but for now you can vibe with your team, but be sure to start working on lightning loops!
You've got Zero plus two mid-tier chars, both near top supports though, so it's a very functional team for sure. If you're happy with that you can make it work for sure. In future you can still improve it too by keeping one support and bringing in a specific anchor character to back up the gameplan because currently it mostly rests on Zero's shoulders. Vergil is the obvious pick for then to be honest, but you could also just switch out one of them for the stronger supports eg Doom or Dante eventually if you need to change.
I currently play PW, Doom, Cap. Im looking to switch doom out for someone like Dorm, Nova, or Magneto. What would be the best option and positions? Anyone else i should be looking at picking up to back PW?
Ah, so you want to keep PW? I might recommend something like Mag/PW/Doom and use Missiles assist for Doom. Mag is great with just one assist and he builds good meter/does good damage. DHCing to PW to kill then calling missiles and Maya will give you a good amount of time to get evidence. Alternatively Shockwave DHC to PW from neutral is a good way to get Mag out safely while also gaining good frame advantage and clearing the screen. I think Mags is the best of those 3 you mentioned for a PW team, however if you haven't already you could check out Aonien match footage or his YT channel (I think he has one?). Spencer/PW/Doom has some really unique synergy. You'd run Plasma Beam for Doom there, but Spencer always kills because he can do an 80k and then reset the combo with PW's Missiles (dog) assist into an unblockable that you can't escape. There's footage of him Vs RayRay on Ray's channel. Hope that helps!
@@SpartanThrone sweet. I hadn't even thought about Spencer. I'll use whatever time I got today to learn mag and Spencer. I ended up learning a bit of dorm last night, so maybe I could throw him in there somewhere and mix it up. Thanks!
@@SpartanThroneI ended up completely switching my team to Haggar/Dorm/Doom, and looking into taking that team into a local. Looking to shake it up again for my casual nights however, maybe replacing doom or dorm for sentinel. Which would give me better options for flashy, interesting gameplay?
@@MrMoss0213 both are good, really depends on if you prefer Dorm or Doom. Dorm Doom is good Doom Sent is good Dorm Sent is a tier below them but still decent.
I've been playing trish/rocket raccoon/doctor strange OR doctor doom/rocket raccoon/doctor strange for awhile but I feel both can be weak. With my trish team, I try to go for unblockable setups using round trip and eye of agamatto. With my doom team i generally play keepaway. I have mixups but I don't have TAC infinites down. Any tips? Or any sort suggestions on who to switch out? I enjoy setups, traps and similar things but is all of this viable in an offline tournament setting? Thank you for all of your content @SpartanThrone!
For the Trish team you are definitely lookin to play the keepaway game (opponent's team dependant), but I feel Rocket is the weak link for her because she needs damage. Once Rocket's on the field do you have the combos down to tag into Strange for the FoF loops? Kbrad has Vergil in the middle and the DHC is really valuable for her. So possibly Vergil in 2nd replacing either Strange or Rocket. For the Doom point one the damage is not a problem I'm sure, it's just Doom is an okay point character, but his issues still persist in that he can be heavily zoned, especially when he's facing a full team. I definely recommend learning both Trish and Doom's infinites to expand your options for meter build and damage. Trish has a really easy one and Doom's is consistent too (4 frame link each rep), I have a tutorial (actually a couple of tutorials) for my Doom TAC infinite setups that I'm sure would come up if you searched on here. Having said that, Doom/Dorm/Strange sounds like a great point Doom team 😁😁
I experimented a bit with Trish Rocket unblockables, but I found that if done on a knockdown, holding hardtag makes it really unreliable. They get hit by the round harvest obviously, but start rising upward. You can then hit with the very beginning of log trap, but Round harvest moves very inconsistently, so it's pretty unreliable. Instead recently I've been messing with Trish/Task, as he has enough time to unblockable after tag, and has an easier time dealing with the raw tag option. She also appreciates H Arrows assist as it leaves the opponent grounded, so instant overhead->dive kick combos very easily with them. Still haven't found what third works best with them though. Maybe vergil, but that would leave Task anchor which is meh.
@@JumbaJumby I love the idea of Trish unblockable setups, some are really cheap and depending on life totals and your meter then it's game deciding in some circumstances. I feel like you need someone with really good scaling to abuse it fully, ie. Doom or Zero or even Mag because of his meter build?
@@SpartanThrone I remember a guy who ran Trish/Doom/Wesker, "Killswitch" iirc, who used basically the same concept - lots of Round Harvest unblockable setups; throw Harvest tag Doom > High/low unblockable with Wesker assist. The idea is to compensate for Trish's poor damage/meter build, if he can't kill he'd just spend 1 bar to reset you. If you take the hit, Doom scaling usually still good enough to kill a half health character. He also used it on incoming most of the time...which was largely just a knowledge check tbh; pushblock to stall yourself in the air sometimes worked, or just take the hit > Harvest pushes you higher, making it harder to confirm + even if Doom does confirm, usually can't kill a full health char cuz of scaling and extra HSD for an air-to-air at SJ height. It was an interesting concept though, I reckon the main use competitively is just the reset potential, cuz that helps with damage. Discussion above re: Taskmaster = same concept...resets. Just gotta be aware that some chars can get out, if they have good invul supers(eg Hulk can XF > insert meteors into slot).
I wanted to play a Thor team, currently I thought up Thor/Rocket Raccon/Vergil Any changes you would recommend? (Open to switching Thor’s role or substituting him for someone similar)
I really like that team! Thor loves Rocket's support with either Log Trap or Spitfire Twice (but I think mainly log), and his DHC to the trap super allows him to hard tag back to Thor for more damage. Have you watched Iron God play Thor/Rocket/Strange? That's really good because you can tag to Strange for Flames of the Faltine Loops at the end iirc. And you have a better anchor on your team with Vergil. It's really strong for Thor to have a good team of Point/Support/Anchor!
Lots of beginner friendly teams out there, depends what you want! If you want something to pick up and play then I recommend Wolvy/Doom/Vergil using Plasma Beam assist for Doom. If you want something top tier then Zero/Doom/Vergil is the easiest step up from that. But other simple teams might be: Nova/Spencer/Doom Wesker/Doom/Strider Hulk/Sent/Haggar Any chars in particular you like ?
Sounds good, Morri/Jean is one of the best shells in the game, and Trish is a good defensive/runaway character who can make good use of Dark Harmoniser assist. I've never seen anyone play it with Trish at the front but I'm sure that it will be more than viable, just gotta put the hours in match and in training!
@@SpartanThrone thanks for the advice, team has been working well, wanted to try and make a secondary to play with, how does She-Hulk/Doom/Spencer sound? I like it and think it might be doable.
@@b-goat05 that sounds okay for She Hulk for sure. 1upMiles in the UK had a She Hulk / Doom / Vergil team he was fond of, so Doom can def support her with assists/DHC/ TAC infinites. Glad to hear the Trish team is working for you!
Thats my team actually though i (usually) lead with Morrigan. Both orders work for this team. I used to use Trish's 214B (Peekaboo) assist but i found her 214A (Hopscotch) assist helps Morrigan in neutral more as well as working better for doing long combos off of it. Ive been experimenting with (astral) 5A B C 6C + call trish > jump (7) > jC > j236D > fly > j236A/D.
That's one that used to be very popular. It was known as Team Trenchcoat. Lots of people played it Vergil/Dante/Wesker, but that was back when people didn't know just how strong Vergil was on anchor, and also they thought XF3/Glasses off Wesker was busted. If you do play it W/D/V order you have a choice to make on Dante's assist that doesn't normally happen. Normally you just run Jam Session, but Weasel Shot is also good for Wesker. Jam session - Okay for Wesker, amazing for Vergil. Weasel Shot - Good for Wesker, okay for Vergil.
Dude I installed tons of mods on umvc3, but is the game populated on the Steam version so that you can find challengers ? If so, I'll reinstall the game thanks
I think if you've installed mods then the natural matchmaking will crash every time you find a player. I think there aren't that many players however. Lots of players use parsec and matchmake through the main marvel discord or other marvel places. TNS runs a weekly marvel tournament and occasionally does special ones, sometimes with mods. XFactory also does modded tournies weekly if you're interested in that. Both are online and free to enter.
So just play doom/Virgil
Well yes but.........yes
The ending topic of the video is really what brought it home for me. Building an _effective_ team (not just a "synergistic team", or a "good team") truly comes down to the team's ability to make your opponent "watch a cutscene" three or four times in a game. If you don't have that or an alternate win condition, then you're probably playing a struggle team, or maybe your skills aren't up to the task yet.
This is something that you can very easily _observe_ when watching high-level Marvel without really knowing what's going on (i.e. "Yawn, WOW, _another_ Zero incoming mix-up, like I haven't seen THIS a million times before. _rolls eyes_ "), but the way that you laid it out in this video truly _reveals_ this fact for what it is and how it is an objective truth of the game. Thank you very much for sharing your understanding on this important facet of UMvC3.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go rework my Phoenix Wright/Captain America/Sentinel team >_>;
Lmao you wrote all that just to set up the joke at the end, didn't you?! 🤣🤣🤣
@@SpartanThrone ROFL I swear to you, Sparty, I did not! XD
I did actually play that team for years, usually as Cap/PW/Sent. I even won a local with that team back in the day! But I'm starting to get back into the game after a years-long hiatus, and now fully realize (after playing some matches online & watching this video) that I can't get away with using that team anymore if I like winning (and I do).
Right now, I've settled on Cap/Taskmaster/Sent as a placeholder, but your talk of Spencer zip-finite teams and Taskmaster unblockable set plays has me very interested. The idea of an alternate victory condition has always been something I've loved in competitive games (i.e. I loved playing an Exodia deck in Yu-Gi-Oh!), and to know that such teams are viable in UMvC3 is encouraging.
Question for you, if you don't mind: About how long would it take for a more casual player (like myself) to learn an effective team that has a higher tech skill requirement (e.g. Zero/Dante/Vergil) than something like what I've been playing (Cap/Task/Sent or Cap/PW/Sent)? I've always wanted to learn a team that has a superstar top tier character in it, but I've always felt that the tech skill tax was just too much for me to pay (hence why I gravitated towards simpler teams/characters).
@@DiscoCokkroach I like the idea of your new team, nice to start messing with decent characters and embracing their scummier elements!
RE: Zero may cry I think it's a few months before you get to be proficient enough Vs some decent players. I've seen players rise that fast before playing stuff like Task/Dorm/Arthur and Tron/Haggar/Strange. With ZMC you have tech on your side so there's lots to learn, but the raw character strength is just fantastic, even if you aren't comfortable or confident early on. Watching Jibrill for tech ideas is probably the best route. If you learn 4 things you're already on your way tbh:
1-how to lightning loops
2-how to mix up on welcome with Zero/Jam
3-how to kill with Dark Vergil
4-how to mix up with Dark Vergil (there's a shady k tutorial on FChamp's channel which is excellent)
Beyond that there's neutral and how to play Dante to consider but you'll already be threatening if you just copy some neutral from jibrill even if you don't know exactly why he's using that option (because zero is just really strong in neutral regardless).
@@SpartanThrone This is some really good stuff to chew on. Thank you very much, Sparty! And yes, I want to embrace scummy play. All those years of being able to do nothing but block as Phoenix Wright will now come back down on my opponents as Lightning Loops from the heavens XD
Also, I found that ShadyK Dark Vergil tutorial video that you were talking about. Posting the link here for those that are curious:
th-cam.com/video/wbY2kvp-om0/w-d-xo.html
i got my friends into marvel after evo and this guide helped a lot! they loved watching evo events with me and when they tried the game out they knew characters were good but not why they were so having this context helped them a lot. one even is playing wolverine because of your run lol
Sweet I'm happy this was helpful! What's his wiring Wolverine team going to be?
@@SpartanThrone hes been flip flopping a bit but he likes how jwong team feels for now. which i think is pretty solid for him to learn the game with
Just getting into MVC3 from DBFZ, this guide is gonna help out a lot. Thank you for posting this!
Hey if you're on steam and need someone to practice with lmk. Not that many ppl online.
Same here. Screw Gogeta 4.
Rule of 4
You alluded to it without saying it specifically
A viable team (not necessarily good) wins in 4 interactions
If you can’t your team isn’t viable
There’s thousands and thousands of viable teams
Great way of putting it!
I plan to examine some shells and team more closely in future videos so if I didn't dive into more depth in this video, know I'll zoom in as you might expect when I make those vids.
As always in not perfect so if there's something(s) I've missed here please feel free to comment with it.
Finally, if you are unsure about your team composition and who might work and why, really you need to have a discussion with other people who have more experience and insight, so as always I recommend you join either the main UMvC3 discord, or the EU one (both linked in the description) and get talking in the team building channels in there.
You could use my team as an example of the bear minimum of viability since my team is objectively bad and shouldn’t be played if your trying to min/max but the team meets all the basic requirements of viability
Wins in 4 interactions if everything goes right
Conversions with all 3 characters from all 3 heights (stand, jump, super jump)
Reliable throw and air throw conversions with all 3 chars
1 mil off any clean hit starting from 1 bar
The team also has access to unique dirt anti pheonix tech and a tac infinite
but that’s Not really what I’m referring to
Just that my team is a terrible team that “works”
To this day I’m pretty hype that I was able to spend a few years figuring things out and was able to continue playing my day one team of my favorite characters and not feel like matchups are completely unwinnable
Anyone who has spent a decade grinding with their “wierd” team has crossed the threshold of viability at this point and the tech people like that have come up with showcases just how balanced this game is so long as your team works and fulfills the requirements of the rule of 4
My shell is marvelos old team
Nova, strange, Strider he made a whole video out of it before
It absolutely wrecks
But your in a scramble when nova dies and have to rely on strider for clean up when strange dies
I used to play Vergil/Morrigan/Shuma which I think is really good, but has a similar issue to your team where if the first two characters die you've basically lost the game. I eventually switched to Zero May Cry and had some good fun with that. But recently I've started thinking about switching teams again and I'm leaning towards playing the team again, and just trying to accept/deal with Shuma's limits.
I'm well versed with that team as my training partner Demon Phoenix has played it for about a year.
He plays it Morrigan point and mixes between Astral and, if a hit confirm gives him 2 bars, he DHCs to Vergil and kills.
It's definitely got all the potential you need to reach the highest level, and as someone running Iron Fist on anchor I will say that Shuma is definitely viable competitively on anchor.
If you got back to it and commit yourself the worst case scenario is that you come out of it with a really strong Vergil and Morrigan, and at that point you are able to drop Shuma if you end up doubting him for a good selection of characters like Doom, Dante, Strider, Strange etc etc
@@SpartanThrone I suppose it is true enough it would make switching to Morrigan/Doom/Vergil not especially difficult.
I suppose it didn't help that person I play the most often plays Magneto/Doom/Phoenix and those are all horrible matchups for Shuma imo. That said he is also just a lot better and a more experienced player than me.
Thinking I probably will try and pick the team backup again. Might mix in starting Morrigan a bit more as well. Thanks.
Also by the by nice video.
@@liamfoote7164 oh yeah Shuma has a hard time with those 3 for sure, and he's the only neutral assist on the team so it doesn't even matter if he has team mates left!
Staying alive with your team vs that team is super important. Vergil/Morrigan has some really nice tech for killing Phoenix with 5 bars as long as you have XF left yourself. Have you seen those before?
Great video! I've played Marvel when it came out for a couple of years when i was 13-16 and recently got back at it and i am completely lost, lmao. The team i used to play was ghost rider iron fist nova, i now see how much of a mess it was. Been trying to switch to haggar/spencer/arthur but still figuring out the game again
That's a Sacktap team for sure, if he would play anyone as reasonably good as Spencer 🤣
I'm what some people might call "very bad". Like, casual bad. That said, Haggar/Doom/Vergil feels incredible. Plasma Beam and Rapid Slash assists ensure Haggar is supported in the neutral, and he shreds through people in combos with the help of those same assists. If they ever snap to Vergil and he lives, Lariat can get tons of the pressure off. Lots of little things. Did my first 1-bar no-X 1M combo ever the other day with it.
I like it! Go HAM my man 🔥👍
I remember talking to you in the umvc3 discord and help with team building was the first thing I asked. Thank you so much for the help then and for the vid now! Great fucking content as always
Aw thanks for saying so! Glad I could be of service!
If you need help building a team, join the Marvel community and start playing today!
Main UMvC3 discord:
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I don't know if I zoned out or if I was paying attention but I feel just as ill prepared to try to put a team together than when I first started watching. What I've gathered is "point/mid/anchor is important", "make sure you TOD or you're bad", and "just play Doom/Virgil". Ah, yes, now I am ready
To sum up:
- be clear about your objective (eg, casual fun, training mode, competitive play etc)
- play whatever you want within the limitations of that objective
- to be competitive you need to kill in 4 touches (or 3+ a TAC) so experiment until you can do that
- ask for help/ideas in the main marvel discord, just be clear about your objective there
Want me to critique a team idea you have? Feel free to leave a comment below with your team!
Hawkeye/Dante/Doom & Hawkeye/Vergil/Doom
@@98Denis98 Hawkeye def loves any combination of those 3 chars.
Jam is great for him, and the THC is excellent.
Plasma would maybe be my pick personally for the durability and ground coverage to let Hawkeye focus on the air, but likewise he's good at protecting missiles on the ground and then he takes care of the ground while missiles protects the sky.
The vergil team really gives Hawkeye the big damage boost though, so it's neutral control vs ability for Hawkeye to kill, and I'm gonna have to lean towards the vergil team cause hawkeye plus rapid slash is decent too, and damage is a bit problematic for him at times.
Trish/Dante/Vergil
@@kumaradio5414 that's a great Trish team, best played Vergil 2nd imo to give her ToDs by DHC to sword loops. Great at rushdown and keep away and everything in between
Deadpool/Morrigan/Dante
So far I was mostly watching TNS tournaments, but I've been thinking about trying out these two teams
1) Chris/Dante/Haggar (that one seems cool, since you get air support with Jam Session, Chris/Dante THC for fullscreen magnum confirms and lariat against rushdown characters to have easier time on 99, great convertions and have more opportunities to setup mines and grenades, not sure if Dante/Haggar is good plan B tho)
2) Chris/Dante/Doom (Not sure about team order here, Chris/Dante THC seems good, however Doom TAC is obviously a huge deal. Either way that variant could be cool for hit confirming gunshots thanks to plasma beam)
Both teams are very workable! If you can learn 4 characters at once I'd play a bit of both.
If it needs to be one of them I'd choose Chris/Dante/Doom. It's a stronger team and has potential against a lot of strong teams. Don't worry about the TAC infinite because Chris should be killing off of most hits with that team (also dante has a practical tac infinite himself if you need it).
That said, early on you might find it easier to play Chris with jam/Lariat because you will always be able to get a mine on the ground or a fire grenade in play.
Very late. Sorry. Just came across this recently. Just getting back into this game recently (fighting games in general. Been out due to work and injury since 2012) You, sir are a godsend. No shade towards other communities but no one goes in-depth as you and that's kind of sad because there are ppl out there that's looking for that deep conversation or thought process. So keep it up.
As for what I'm currently looking for. Before I decide to settle on team clockwork, I've been looking for other ideas with Vergil being on point, and right now I know Doom, Dante goes well with him but I've been looking to just kind of experiment for now but if I have to I will use them (as a last ditch effort). Back then I used to run Yipes Spencer team (Spencer, Vergil, Hawkeye), so one idea I've been toying around with is Vergil, Spencer, Magneto, but not sure if I really like this.
Anyway, great video. Seeing this gives me some more ideas though.
You have damn fine taste in chars I must say 😂 whack any of them together and you're in for a good time. I really do like the sound of Vergil/Dante/Doom (or the other order). Not quite as good as team clock, but strong and balanced none the less!
@@SpartanThrone I feel like I'm being judged 🤣. Would it help if I said DMC is one of may favorite games and Vergil is my favorite character 😅? Too clichéd? If it makes you feel better I did consider Dormammu. Still considering him to be honest. I kind of like the idea of Vergil with the big ball on screen.
@@MG_Gambino ha no judgement, I encourage people to play the best stuff they can. If I'd played the best stuff a decade ago I'd be a different player today!
Strider May Cry has been my team since I was a kid. Cool swords, and I’ve just sorta made it work since then.
@@spencerabdo5144 cannot got wrong with a fun team that's also busted (in the other order at least 😂)
Hey there. Awesome content that you are doing. Would Vyper/Dante/Amaterasu be a good shell for a team to handle most of top and bottom tier?
That's a decent team and you would have options Vs a lot of the upper end of the cast. It has an issue that Dante/Ammy has difficulty doing damage, plus Dante has a hard time exploiting Cold Star assist.
I would play that, but also learn either Doom or Strider (or both) as they give you a lot of options here.
Viper Dante Strider
Viper Doom Strider
Viper Doom Ammy
Viper Doom Dante
All of those are a step up!
This is awesome, as much as I want to play Wolverine and Deadpool on a team because I love both characters and am super excited for the movie coming out at the end of the month here that I already bought tickets for, I will definitely have to find something that works better like maybe Wolverine (Point)/Doom (Support)/ Deadpool (Anchor)????
Would that work in a competitive setting????
I do plan on getting into the game competitively, I guess I can drop Deadpool if I absolutely have to but, I really don’t want to if I don’t have to
That team could manage! Deadpool and wolverine aren't the most co-operative together, but Doom is certainly good glue.
Akuma could also work, I'd play him on anchor if I was picking those three.
How solid would x23 morrigan and Dante be? What position would each character be best suited in and what makes them work?
Overall not very stable/solid.
However, it's an interesting team for sure. Personally I would run it in the order you wrote them and play runaway/X23 to build a couple of bars and frustrate opponents.
If you have 5 bars when their 1st chars dies or 3 bars when their 2nd char dies then get X23 in (if DHC'd out) then you can run the jam session dirt nap setup and either kill their last char for sure, or their last 2 chars if you can optimise it enough using XF.
Doom/Morrigan/Phoenix as a runaway Phoenix team
I like the idea of having Morridoom as the back up of the runaway plan fails and Phoenix dies, but while Doom is good at runaway vs a LOT of characters, most of the better characters in the game have a good matchup vs him so you will run into trouble often. Or at best your opponents would be able to counter pick the team hard.
One glaring issue is that while Doom's runaway is decent, he's not great at doing it while in a normal jump state (to allow him to call assists while hiding at the top of the screen), so it's not as good as say MODOK/morrijean which can sit at the top of the screen and call harmoniser repeatedly if the opponent doesn't have an answer (and in some cases the opponent's answer just sends MODOK higher and resets some of his air actions).
A similar
@@SpartanThrone I agree however if you do manage to get 5 bars you can snowball really quick. I also think you underrating running the team (like Noel brown )does with doom in second
How would a team of ryu, Hawkeye, and strider in any order?
Maybe strider, ryu, and Hawkeye would that work in that order
@@RndmnoiseboxI think those 3 have some good synergy to be found, but not as much or as strong as other variations on the team.
Hawkeye mid or point
Strider anchor for sure
Ryu is the weak link but your original order was best.
Easiest way to improve the team would be to replace Ryu. Best options might be:
Vergil/H/S
Zero
Or a different mid
Hawkeye/ Dante or Doom/ Strider
But there's lots to find with your original suggestion, so play about with it and see if you want to change it up
So uh... I guess I had one more change for the main team in me.
Turns out, I like Doom a lot more than I initially throught. The fact that he had only projectiles for specials originally made me think of him as a pure projectile zoner (just with a hilariouly easy corner combo alongside it curtisy of footdive), but I finally learned that he's so much move versatile than that. Of course the zoning and keepout is very much there, alongside Footdive being even scarier of a tool for the opponent to deal with than I thought. However, he feels like he's got answers for everything the opponent might throw at him. And I really like versatility, so... Yeah. (Also really helps that I found an actual mid-screen combo lmao)
He's taking Sentinel's spot without hesitation, so now my main team is Cap/Task/Doom. Although I'm not too sure which Cap assist works best for the both of them, Task getting horizontal arrows and Doom getting missiles for assists just feels like a huge no-brainer for me.
Don't think pivit the main team again, but learning all these characters has been very helpful with learning more about my style. Thanks for the help you've provided! Maybe we'll get a new MvC with in the future with Cyclops as part of the roster without mods :)
@@hyper_pyro lmaoooo I think we should just have weekly check-ins at this point 😂 Cap/Doom/Sent when?
@@SpartanThrone that probably won't happen, as Cap and Task are hard-locked into the team. This feels a lot more versatile and fundamental to me than it would if Sent took one of those spots (I like my all-rounders and shotos). Also Sent being that tall and that slow kinda threw me off once I learned a mid screen combo for Doom lmao (and this comes from someone that mains Demitri in Darkstalkers and Sagat in most Street Fighters)
That being said I may make a team with Sent and Ryu for fun :)
I used to play this game a lot as a kid, I just got it back recently. My team went from Dante/ryu/hulk to wesker/tron/the dog and I’ve just discovered zero/morigan/the dog idk which team comp to put the most effort into
Zero/Morrigan/Ammy is definitely the most complete team of those 3!
If you've played a bit of Dante then you could also consider Zero/Morrigan/Dante too.
Both are a little different from what people normally pick but would both do work once you get efficient with your characters!
Wesker, dog, Dante is good also pick your point and anchor
Dog can anchor or wesker
Morrigans higher execution
RYU,Dog, wesker is a easy team
RYU gets otg with dog gets otg from wesker assist and you get wesker anchor or you can put him on point and get tons of damage with externauoj of tatsu assit extension
RYU, dog, wesker is the easier team you listed and works well
Zero, danger, dog is good
Morrigan dante wesker if you can do Morrigan combos but isn’t that good
Hey Sparty, thanks so much for all these tech videos sharing insight on the game even in 2023/2024. Decided to pick up umvc3 seriously this year after being mostly a fan and spectator since the vanilla days and your 2023 tier list video sparked a whole new marvel craze for me with all the in-depth discussion that it contained.
Was hoping to get your thoughts on the team I'm working on. Started off playing Spiderman/dante/nova but then a friend suggested to play nova/dante up front with spiderman as an anchor so that xfactor lvl 3 can offset his lack of damage, what do you think? I should add that spidey is the one character i want to build around and i'd like to avoid playing Vergil/doom because i've been playing them since launch and i'd prefer to learn some new characters.
Spidey is an interesting one because he wants quite specific partners to be properly effective. I'm not the Spiderman man honestly but I know his team building can be quite particular. It would likely be best to ask in the US marvel discord for advice in the team building thread and get the opinion of someone like lilmonix. Are you in that discord group already?
@@SpartanThrone managed to track down the discord, thanks sparty!
Im new and looking just to play casually, but id like my team to be not entirely terrible.
I want Ghost Rider for sure but ive seen from research he doesn't have the most extensive kit as far as combos go. Who would go good with him?
Ideally id like spiderman, Doom, and Ghost Rider. But i also think Firebrand could replace spiderman and work well.
Ive also seen that Felicia has some nice assist combos with Ghost rider.
What do you think?
Reply at your leisure and at the end of the day im a hyper casual so im not afraid to learn the hard way.
@@jabbathehutt2774 Ghost Rider / x / Doom would be decent! Nothing amazing, but GR does like Doom's support.
Then mess with both Spidey or Felicia. Spiderman really likes Plasma support or Missiles for combos.
Felicia really likes Plasma Beam too and there's some stuff if I recall right where you can command throw with her then hard tag to Doom for less scaled damage!
Sounds like a fun trio!
Anchor magneto is insanely good 👍 You usually see him as point or support cause he’s already so good. But Mags as a anchor is so strong rushing down or getting in then incoming mix ups alone. He’s so good how the Meta plays him though you often don’t see people relying on this.
When I first played these were my teams. 1. Dante/Task/Sentinel (If Dante was getting bodied I would put Task on point) 2. Task/Dante/Doom
Nowadays I like the Dorm/Doom missiles combo, but dont know a simple point character. Magneto is too much for me.
@@xProxable dorm/doom missiles is lovely. For a char simpler than Mags...
Zero might be an option. He's not simpler than Mags in terms of learning tricky things, but he's so good that even is basic tools can be easier to USE.
Cap works well with both characters and assists. As does Taskmaster, he might be the simplest! Both of these are quite middle of the pack, not bad but not amazing, but do his that simple criteria well.
Outside of those, maybe Vergil. Similar to Zero it's the strength of the character and his tools that make him simple to play. There's a learning curve, but not as much as with Zero.
@SpartanThrone I'll give Vergil and Zero to try something different. Task was fun to play, very versatile and I think is underrated. Thank you
I remeber playing Mvc3 on the ps3 a lot a few years ago. I just bought ultimate yesterday since it was on sale in the playstation store and am looking to get back into it. I used to only really play dante, but since getting back I've tried a lot of the characters, and i like a lot of them my 2 favorite are probably Dante and Chun-li, I know in the begininning of the video you said to not really pick a few you like and ask for help, but is there a third that works well with these 2?
Edit: alright after seeing how people feel about Chun li I'm feeling Dante, Virgil and magneto.
Thoughts? They all seem to be able to play interchangeable roles
X-23/Wolverine/Deadpool has been my longtime main team, Cap/Iron Man/Hulk as my 2nd and Spidey/Iron Man/Cap as 3rd.
I'm realizing on a certain level I have 2 get away from just playing characters I personally like (X-Men & Avengers) so I'm considering getting back 2 characters like Storm, Phoenix and Magneto 2 expand my options and competitive viability.
I *TRIED* 2 work out those Magneto combos 4 the longest. I could barely get them consistently in training, much less a laggy online match.
Yes that's it. As you play more you eventually realise that teams (despite how much you like them) might actually hold you back. That with some small or large changes you might have more potential.
It definitely takes hard work, but long term you are going to benefit by adding more of the solid characters in the game into your repertoire and continuing to experiment and innovate.
My main team is Spidey,Cap and Iron Man!
Hey man not sure if you still respond to this channel, but my squad is Nemesis Wesker Doom. Would you suggest Wesker or doom as anchor? I have tried both and I like doom as dhc for nemesis but I think I’m better at doom with xfactor 3 hehe
@@Harry64278 there are benefits to both as anchor! But Wesker anchor means you have Doom 2nd which gives you better TAC options!
@@SpartanThrone thanks man
Nova morrijean I saw amongst shadow run it so it must be good pog.
On a slightly more serious note I want to try running morg doom Phoniex. Fchamp / Noel brown ran alot of doom Phoniex shell. Morrigan even without astral is seen as a good character especially combine with doom missile. Morg and Doom both have TAC infinites. You can tag into doom to gain loads of meter. Even if you kill Phoniex you have morg doom.
I feel like the doom/morrijean, or morridoom/Jean (whichever order) kinda suffers a lot from the back up plan being better than the main plan.
Morridoom without astral means the neutral chip threat is highly, highly diminished, and she isn't building tremendous bar or carrying to the corner well to facilitate doom TACs.
If you play it doom first then you can run away and build bar, but doom unassisted loses hard to nearly anything and everything good.
Love the idea but I feel like it would be one of the most mid versions of where a morrijean team can potentially get to.
Firebrand/Chun-Li/Phoenix?
Firebrand is a great point and with shot assist, trap assist or overdrive assist from Phoenix could work in the neutral, Chun-Li lightning Legs assist could setup up from Firebrand unlockable maybe? And Firebrand gets first hit into TAC Chun infinite? Just an idea, what do you think?
It's not bad but not great, Firebrand really does like a beam assist for neutral, I feel like you're going to struggle in neutral with just Chun to reliability call.
Firebrand and Doom are best friends so Doom 2nd is a possibility, as is Iron Man but he's a struggle.
That said, depends on your objective and how serious you intend to get! You could definitely learn the game with that team.
@@SpartanThrone I want to use phoenix as my reliable call, can tk overdrive go thru beams? Cuz if so it'd be a great assist plus using phoenix assist as my reliable call, she is also bait for my opponent to try n punish the assist which let's me have a situation to bait them into something unsafe
@@johnglover8905 she's never going to be a reliable call honestly 😂 she's almost always going to be too at risk and die without good reason, and if you already have 5 bars she does without popping.
If you wanna play like that it's your call, and you'll be best with either TK shot and moving with it as it travels, or TK overdrive because a) yes it does go through projectiles, b) it's fast and travels far, and c) it's one of a few assists that can autocorrect once it comes out facing one way, and the opponent ends up behind her.
See which one suits your style more!
I liked a lot this topic. I played just to have fun until year and half ago. I wanna build a new team for practicing seriously. Do you have any source to know which chars do better as point, mid or anchor? Or in your discord can I find that answers?
New sub! Great videos!
You will likely find something like that if you Google it, might be a little outdated but you can always ask in the discords for more advice!
The best points are chars like:
Morrigan, Zero, Magneto, Vergil, MODOK, Nova, Viper, Wolverine etc
Some of these can be in other spots too, like Morrigan is often a mid, Vergil is sometimes mid but most often the anchor.
Some good mids are:
Doom, Dorm, Vergil, MODOK, Morrigan, Sentinel etc
Good anchors:
Vergil, Strider, Doom, Strange, Rocket, Hawkeye etc
There's many more but I'm just about to go out! If you have char/team ideas feel free to reply here or ask in the EU/US discords!
This is a great refresher course and helpful as I reexplore this game
What is a effective team for Iron Man?
Here are my team ideas so far
Zero May Cry
Logan May Cry
Wolverine, Dante, Akuma
SPIDEY, Iron Man, Dante
SPIDEY, Dante, Strider
I’m also open to other characters and other options
You have some really good team ideas there!
If you like Iron Man you typically want him not on point. He can be mid as support for a team like point/support/anchor, or point/support/support... Or alternatively you can put him at the back and do something like point/point/support that way, or again support there in the mid spot. Just as long as you are making use of his Unibeam assist and at some point utilising his TAC infinites you will get good mileage out of IM. Some decent team include;
Mag/Iron Man/Sent
Wolverine/Spencer/Iron Man
Nova/Vergil/Iron Man
Vergil/Iron Man/Dante
But there are loads of team makeups that work for him, just know that in most cases you are picking a much worse Doom.
@@SpartanThrone yeah that’s true I just like Iron Man a lot as a character so I’d pick him over Doom. I’m just getting back Into the game slowly and replaying a friend next week so I wanted to ask you another question
What is a good strategy and synergy with Wolverine, Dante, Vergil and Zero May Cry? If you can provide combos that would be nice although I can find those online. Relearning this game in 2023 is a lot different for me than learning it in 2013 in a good way?
@@alexlovehall7796 that team is hard to be optimal with honestly, the combo routes are really specific to be optimal, Wolvy Doom Vergil is like 3 or 5x stronger than it.
Basically you need to study Wolvy combos from PR Rog or Punk when they play that team, likely the easiest way to study it.
Failing that you can play Wolvy/Iron Man/Dante, or Wolvy/Iron Man/Vergil, and go for a similar game plan
@@SpartanThrone thanks for the advice on that team setup. I figured it would be hard to play Iron Man but yikes.
I was asking on how to be optimal with Zero may Cry or Logan May Cry however, as I love all 4 of those characters and they are top tier
@@alexlovehall7796 ahh, well Zero may cry is definitely a lot more straightforward. If you like those 3 then you are starting super well. Jibrill, Evasion and Rambam are some of the best using that team (i *think* rambam uses that?) But there's definitely a lot of footage of the other 2. Zero is so efficient he can kill from pretty much any scaled hit and jam is one of his best assists. You are generally just looking to control space with zero's lightning xx buster cancels, plus Jam session and waiting for opponents to make a mistake early on, but then you can work in lots of his scary cross up lightning, teleport xx buster, little staggers etc
im trying to find a third for spencer/pw. was thinking vergil maybe? does the team work? Awesome video tho it helped a ton
Whike Vergil is great, you really need a neutral assist, and Doom is the absolute best 3rd char for that team. Plasma Beam is the assist to pick. Spencer/PW/Doom is the order.
If you want to explore that team yourself go for it, but have you heard of the player Aonien? He is the most successful and advanced player of that team. If you search for his footage you will learn a lot, including seeing how he uses Spencer/PW to setup unblockables every time.
@@SpartanThrone thanks a lot i have heard of aonien but didnt realize he played the team will check it out!
Sorry if this is quite late 😅Looking for suggestions on filling in a team with a point Chun and an anchor Akuma?
You have a number of options there! Try messing with some of these:
Vergil (damage engine, top 3 character, though limited options when falling in 2nd).
Spencer (damage engine, invulnerable reversal, Slant shot assist could make for interesting chun resets)
Strange (gives you a real neutral assist in bolts, works decent enough with akuma, like Vergil is also a good anchor if akuma dies)
Storm (I imagine a chun/storm team could be played very dry/keep away to frustrate opponents).
Task/Hawkeye (both have horizontal projectile assists. Hawkeye is a little more zoning focused than task, but task has more damaging DHCs)
Rocket (safe DHC, works nice with akuma, great support for chun with either spitfire or pendulum assists)
Hmm, I could suggest others, but some chars struggle to get the most from tatsu assist outside of the corner. Like, doom or Iron man would be great chun support, but they themselves have a hard time converting tatsu consistently. Arthur can work. Dante can work too. Magneto can work but he's not the best mid char due to his DHCs. Haggar too.
Have a play around and see!
@@SpartanThrone Wow! Thank you for the quick reply. Hmm, i might give storm a try. The storm/akuma shell seems valid cus of Jwong (well then again hes a marvel god), and RyanLV’s playstyle with chun seems to emphasize keepaway, using Chun’s ability to “hover” in the air with her numerous specials and like you said, storm could layer on that type of game-plan. What would you think about the viability of that team? Would you personally go for something else?
@@WHITEOUTbomber8 personally I'd choose Spencer or Vergil!
But the storm version is decent enough to make viable, it's just unusual. Marvel is a game where your level relative to your opponent is the bigger decider of victory. So basically... Get gud 😂
@@SpartanThrone Thank you for the thorough answer 🙏
20:50 that wheeze made me wheeze 😂😂😂
I'm really having fun with my main team (Wolverine berserker barrage, Spencer slant shot, Doom beam). I will admit, not really an amazing team. It's more like a snowball team where you got to keep the momentum up. Not trying to compete at the moment, but I am wondering how I can make this team better. I do like playing Nova, Spencer, Doom from time to time, but was wondering if there's anything that can help Wolverine since he's my favorite comic book character. Maybe a better anchor or mid?
That's a decent Wolvy team honestly! If you are looking for a change I will never not recommend Wolvy/Doom/Vergil (using Tornado Claw for Wolvy to get Vergil an OTG pickup assist). It's super effective but you must have both Fatal Claw loops AND Doom TAC infinites to take it to a high level... That said it's also a really easy and effective casual team too if you aren't looking to go quite as hard at training it.
The Nova/Spencer/Doom team is overall better I think, but if you don't feel like playing that full time then I understand. Wolvy does have a certain appeal!
Classic Wolvy/ Doom/ Vergil, can never go wrong with that. Thanks Sparty! I’ll make you and Wolverine proud ❤
so I have a few teams in mind that consist of characters im (somewhat) good with and was wondering if anyone could give some feedback on them, thanks in advance.
team 1: doom/haggar/sentinel
team 2: captain/haggar/sentinel
team 3: phoenix wright/arthur/haggar
team 4: captain/doom/haggar
P.S. i think you can tell i really like haggar
Hmmm. Haggar is cooooool. You can def make teams focused on him. However he should either be point or anchor, he's no good mid (unless your point is Zero).
Haggar/doom/sent is great
Cap/sent/Haggar is good
Team 3 is assssssss, but Arthur and Haggar are good friends if you maybe tried cap or sent or doom with those 2 you'd be doing alright.
Team 4 is good too, I like it in that order.
Haggar is a scary character at 99, and if you can kill in such a way that Haggar is left to mixup their next character with an assist like drones behind him he can have some really nice layered mixups. He's neat!!
Cap/Vergil/Doom! Used to run Vergil anchor, but having Vergil second allows me value team synergy over XF3 comebacks. Thinking of running Cap/Vergil/Hawkeye though!
Nice, you have kills from way more confirms with Vergil 2nd, makes the prospect of neutral shields so scary. I like the Hawkeye version too, and I would definitely keep both teams in your pocket because Hawkeye has some really good matchups vs characters than wreck Doom eg. Most zoning chars
So I'm brand new to UMvC3, and relatively new to team fighters in general, my first one being Dragon Ball FighterZ. I'm going to run Amaterasu, Strider Hiryu and Phoenix, (X-Men Phoenix not Phoenix Wright) but I don't know where to put them, where should they go? I heard what you said about Strider needing to be anchor, but I'd like to know where the other two should be. Thanks.
@@AngelsandWolves1 glass already gotchu covered in the discord 👍
so Ghost Rider didnt work out for me but now im intrested in a Nova/MODOK shell because they seem like flexible with each other, but I dont know which anchor assist to pick between Vajra or Jam Session.
Vajra is the premier anti-air but its not very helpful at much else, while Jam Session seems like is not as good at anti-airing (and Dante seems to hard for me as a beginner) but it also immensely helps with Nova & MODOK's pressure and setups
Which anchor do you think I should pick?
That's a big tier shift 🤣
Both work! Really good teams either way, slightly stronger support with Dante, better anchor with Strider.
Both can convert from either assist, but Nova gets a lot more damage from Strider.
Go with what you like the feel of with that!
basically some characters just dont work with others, you can't just shoehorn characters who don't work well with each other into the same team
Sums it up yep, and while most characters are completely figured out there are still those that may have some synergy left to be explored and revealed. Who knew Wolvy/Dorm/IF could be potent on the world stage?
@@SpartanThrone tho speaking of characters who work well with each other, do you which characters work well with Ghost Rider? I really want to abuse his 2 frame full screen Snapback, but I don't really know what to do after I do snap the opponent since Ghost Rider's mixup game is kinda bad so the lockdown assists like Amaterasu Coldstar/Super Skrull Tenderizer aren't helpful
@@lancergt1000 focusing on the snap is probably too minute/niche. GR does like Doom plasma or missiles (probably molecular shield too). Haggar too, lariat is great for him. Arthur with daggers. Doom/Ammy could work.
I'm no GR expert, probably watch sacktap/magicpixelmexican!
I used to play Zero, Wesker and Dante as an absolute idiot to competrtive/tournament play. I used to be able to chain combos pretty well between characters, but that was vanilla MVC 3 and I haven't played it in years. But Dr Doom was also one of the best characters hands down, such good range and damage, fittingly.
I’m wanting to get into this game and I happen to like Deadpool and Wolverine a lot and would love to put them on a team, if possible, which seems like it might but, I’ll just have to figure out synergistically how they work together
Just found this video and wanted to get your opinion on a team I've been using lately.
Captain America, Taskmaster, Doctor Doom
Love playing cap and taskmaster and i feel like doom hidden missiles assist covers parts of screen that I may not be able to cover with the others
I like Missiles for both Cap and Task, sounds like a workable team! Got your work cut out for you without a definitive anchor, but with those 3 chars you have a nice trio who you could swap any 1 for another character later on down the line
Wolverine/Wesker/Vergil? Sometimes I put Akuma instead of Wolv too
Sorry only just seen this, that's a team that could do with a string neutral assist.
Vergil/Wesker/Akuma sounds like it's good.
Wolv/Doom/Vergil very good ofc.
Wolv/Wesker/Akuma is good
I just started playing this game and I'm enjoying it. I picked a team of Nova, Dr Doom and Shuma Gorath. Is This a good team? I'm also not quite sure what positions they should be I just like them the most.
@@direraven7735 that's a cool take on a solid shell!
Nova/Doom is really solid (Plasma Beam is Nova's best friend) and can fight a lot of the best teams in the game.
Shuma is the interesting part. Nova also loves Mystic Ray assist, and Doom gets a lot of control/freedom from it.
Damage might be a concern later on but for now it's cool trio. I recently uploaded a basic team plan for Nova/Spencer/Doom so that might be a half decent watch even though it's a slightly different team!
@@SpartanThrone Thanks for the response! I will definitely give that Video a watch.
Just started getting into the game myself. Although i am very competitive and played Smash tournaments, I dont fully care if im playing for fun or competitively.
My team is PheonixW/Rocket/Hsien-ko
You mentioned task unblockable at the end, but has it been proven that task can actually land unblockable off incoming? I was under the impression firebrand had the only true 300% gameplan, and that there's always a way out otherwise. But if Task can lock down with the right assists, then he can easily do 300% with the right damage engine. Or alternatively, how would I go about trying to lab incoming unblockables to see how airtight they truly are?
There's stuff out there on YT about his unblockable tho iirc it can be hard to search up! I'm not a Task player and there aren't that many out there so I can't theorise myself that well as I don't have the expertise/haven't seen many people experiment who do.
One of my ideas was like Task/Dorm/Dante. Kill with Stalking Flare DHC, charge meteors spell and lay carpet, throw the spell, hard tag back to Task, shield kills plus jam, unblockable.
Still ways out tho.
FB's gameplan is much more inescapable!
@@SpartanThrone I'll look into stuff a bit more. I have a super meter+ XF1 route off unblockable (with the right assist), and then you can always go into sword loops or something to kill the last character with all your remaining meter, but I'm struggling to find a full team that let's me do both of these at once while also being a good assist for Task's combo game outside of the unblockable. All the pieces are there, I just haven't figured out how to put them all together yet
I probably know the answer myself but I want a confirm ngl:
- Morrigan or Chun li (I'm a waifu picker)
- Dormammu or Doom if I pick Chun (The coolest marvel villain not named Doom. Also EVERYONE plays doom which I dont like that)
- Vergil (I'm actually a DMC fan who also played the series and mvc3 doesn't have Nero so I pick my 2nd favorite in Vergil)
And the gameplan is as expected: A lot of zoning, moving and killing. My question is just are the shells good? Like f.e. I need vergil on point does he benefit from both assists? Or a Dormammu? Is Dormammu/Morrigan(chun), Dormammu/Vergil, Morrigan(chun)/Vergil great? Just these questions I have in my mind
Yo! Getting a little confused what teams exactly you're proposing, but to a certain extent it isn't too important because generally you might not want to pair some of those together unless you're not too worried about synergy/gameplan.
Morrigan/Dorm/Vergil doesn't work properly because there's no main neutral assist and Dorm and Vergil both want a good neutral assist and both want to spend the meter on the team.
Chun/Doom/Vergil absolutely works and sounds super annoying to fight honestly. Chun is a very annoying/pesky char, and Doom/Vergil is super good. If you snap chun out to stop Dark Vergil from being available, Dark Chun is hard to deal with in her own right, similar to Nova.
@@SpartanThrone ah my bad. It was either morrigan/dorm/vergil or chun/doom/Vergil
So I might go for Chun/Doom/Vergil!
@@JawsFG_ yep definitely the better team and also despite being doom/Vergil so quite common, chun point is still rare and very tricky.
I think it's key with that team to get down some corner carry combos for chun to allow you to then use Doom's tac infinites in a lot of games to stockpile meter while killing
Hi 👋, im trying to play the game seriously and am really enjoying x23 and trish but im unsure of what position they should be in and who my third character should be, so i've just been going in circles. My goals are to be good online and possibly even do online tournaments. I'm open to make sacrifices as long as I have good team synergy, think you could make a suggestion?
@@soy2878 I'd play something like Trish/Dante/X23
The game plan would be to play Trish like normal with Jam Session assist to back her up. At first you would want to learn standard BnBs, and try to kill like normal, occasionally using X23's unblockable if you find you have 3 bars and XF for their last character or maybe their 2nd if you're desperate.
If you land a combo in a situation that takes them to the corner you could eventually learn Dante's TAC infinite, and that would allow you to then kill the next 2 characters with Dirt Nap, OTG xx XF then combo them to death before Dirt Napping the last character.
You could also learn Trish's TAC infinite for when you have Dante or X23 on the field so you have more flexibility.
It's not a perfect team by any means, typically you sacrifice a little bit when you play Trish, and sacrifice a bit more when you play X23. But it's viable if you are as good or better than your opponent and put in the time in training mode!
That said, the closest good team would be team DMC in Trish/Vergil/Dante (or T/D/V). Check out some KBrad footage for this team he is the best Trish team player overall (even tho there are other Trish players who do great stuff with her) as he has the best team for her imo.
@@SpartanThrone thank you so much for your input and thank you for your time. I'll let you know how it goes someday
Hey so I’m thinking of playing a wright/modok/amy team modoks psionic blaster and cold Star could cover wright while he collects evidence then after the gets all the evidence swap him out with modok leaving modok with two assists cold star and either press the witness or at em missle haven’t decided missle is better for hitting grounded opponents which modok struggles with while press the witness is better for combo extensions but that might not be necessary with cold Star around anyways if modok goes down wright will come out with all evidence and cold Star assist pretty good then amy on anchor since she is best with X factor and rush-down although modok and wrights assists also benefit her with blaster giving her some much needed range and missle also giving her that and pressing the witness helps with combos any thoughts from a pro since I am planning to go pro although I don't really want to use top tiers also help me decide which wright assist would be better
Okay, if you like PW and think this team can work you are thinking along the right lines.
You'll have to do some work in training to get sequences down with assists to let you call Miya shield and start getting evidence, but both MODOK beam and cold star are good for it.
MODOK has a decent DHC if you find a way to land his whole extension (see priest's mag to MODOK DHC) and you can kill with MODOK, place his Dorito shield, tag PW and call Miya.
Later in game PW team super with either MODOK or Ammy will hold them for a good amount of time to get evidence later on, especially with Ammy.
As for which PW assist, Missile is usually the pick unless you have a really specific use for his other assists. Missile being a fullscreen slow moving assist is good, plus it hits low so with certain setups you can get the occasional unblockable (unless you play Spencer/PW because they get unblockable resets on every Spencer hit).
I’ve been playing this game since it’s came out, at least a run a year minimum.
Throughout the years I’ve played many characters, but along the way I have found myself sitting with Wolverine, Hulk & Akuma.
This month I have recently gotten back into it, & I’m currently working on Spider-Man. He was always my dream character to learn but I was too intimidated to learn him. However now that I have the hang of him- I wonder who on my team I should replace with him - my team is Wolverine, Hulk & Akuma, I’m pretty skilled with all 3. Who should get swapped for Spider-Man, if I were to swap a character?
Really hard to say! It's probably either:
Wolvy/Spidey/Akuma
Hulk/Spidey/Akuma or Spidey/Hulk/Akuma
Not the best teams but probably some fun stuff there regardless!
@@SpartanThrone was silently praying you would say Wolvy/Hulk/Spidey would work out lol!! Would’ve had a nice Marvel team with my top 3 marvel characters of all time.
I think i will keep playing & just use all 4 characters. Until I’m set with that perfect team
@@john-tobeymaguirecena sorry! You do really need a neutral assist though sadly, it'd be nice if we didn't 🤣
@@SpartanThroneso I’ve found C.America to work best with my Spidey & Hulk
I’ll keep Wolverine for whenever I want to play Wolverine/Akuma
Would a team of Deadpool/Dormammu/Vergil work?
If not, Deadpool and Vergil are who I'm super interested in but I'm not sure who else I should put in there. I don't mind if they're not top tier, just need to complement good enough
You've got good taste!
That team you suggested needs a main assist, so you can keep it was Deadpool and Vergil and in the middle put:
Dante
Doom
Hawkeye
Rocket
Strange
Iron Man
MODOK
Arthur
Probably more but I'm drawing blank right now.
Or alternatively put Strider on anchor, or possibly Mags.
Deadpool Vergil are both good picks so as long as you have any assist you're working towards really good team synergy!
@@SpartanThrone Thank you! I didn't realize that many could help with Deadpool and Vergil. I'll try them out and see which one I like the most. Appreciate the suggestions.
@@friendlyghost9766Dead pool, virg hawk
Both virg or Hawk is hood anchors and can use the each others assist
Virg acts as a keep away assist
Time to ignore this guide and play Spidey/Cap/Phoenix Wright because those are my favorite characters that are in this game
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Hey, newer player here! I've been running a team of Wesker/Sentinel/Dante. They work pretty well together, at least playing casually with my friend. But would this survive competitively? The big problem I've noticed is that Wesker's level 1 really doesn't want to cooperate with Sentinel and Dante DHC wise. I have to time the DHC pretty specifically depending on how it behaves.
I've seen that dhc work with Dante pretty well! You can put him 2nd perhaps.
Issue with that team is that any hits coming from Dante's assist is going to be scaled and Wesker's scaling can't make up for that so he's looking to TAC, to snap them out or to reset but ideally he would want to kill.
Wesker/Mag/Sent or Wesker/Sent/Dante could be proper viable, but honestly if you're better than your opponent your team will absolutely work. Until you get to the highest level and maybe want a bit more from it.
@@SpartanThrone I actually found a TOD using Dante's assist today, something I'm quite proud of! Thanks for your *stunningly* quick feedback, I'll stick with this team for now with it in mind. Next I gotta see if I can actually get some style going with Dante lol. Have an excellent day!
I got the game just cuz of Wright, and I made him point, Frank middle and Doom in the back... I have no clue how to get the ball rolling or what assists to use
@@kerokerocola99 you've picked an interesting set of chars!
First of all, you'd probably want Missile for PW, Shopping Cart for Frank and either Plasma Beam for Doom or Missiles.
But I should explain that PW and Frank both need to be leveled up, and both generally want the team to be about them and them alone. So if possible I'd steer you away from playing both and instead focus on just one of them.
Secondly, Doom is decent support for PW, but Frank doesn't really work tremendously well with Doom (plus Frank and PW have limited synergy together). So it's a team with a challenges!
If that's not a problem for you and you're just interested in pressing buttons then go for it!
@@SpartanThroneI should switch Frank for someone else then, gotcha. Thanks!
@@kerokerocola99 the best established team with PW & Doom is Aonien's team with Spencer/PW/Doom!
Spencer uses Missile assist to get an unblockable reset, so any hit with Spencer kills.
PW/Dante/Doom
PW/Doom/Ammy
PW/Doom/Strider
PW/Doom/Vergil
Those are very strong pairings for Doom that will help support PW also. You could play a lot of chars honestly depending on if you're going to try play/compete and get good (cause PW is already a weaker char). If you wanna run your team ideas by me, feel free.
Got another one for you Sparty
Hsien-Ko point, Morrigan Mid and Doom Anchor?
Haha sounds like it could potentially function, most chars are fairly viable when paired with a shell that good. Are you planning to build some meter with Dark Harmonizer, then activate gold armor and DHC to astral?
@@SpartanThrone you already know it fam, Morrigan with gold armor assist and Doom Missiles and if morrigan dies, we still have doom w gold armor assist
I really like Nova, Spencer, and Dr Doom. Do you think that will work?
Absolutely, one of the best teams in the game. Has faults, but is able to compete with pretty much everything.
Watch LiberalTerminator footage for inspiration.
If I am looking to be competitive, is Akuma, Doom and Wolverine a bad choice?
The only character I want to lock in is Akuma, just because I’m a long time akuma main in SF. The rest I don’t particularly care about, I would have gone Akuma, Doom and Vergil but I know Akuma has synergy with Wolverine
Short answer is that team is okay. You'll have to outplay opponents to win.
Wolvy/Doom/Akuma is likely the best order.
Akuma 1st/on point isn't really effective because his tools aren't... Fluid... and he only has 1 bar to start with. He can demon flip about and throw fireballs, but he's quite vulnerable and loses attrition wars because his health is 2nd lowest at 750k.
His threat comes from being on anchor with 3+ bars and XF3. If you pressure him he can mash team super when left on his own because his DP super is invulnerable on startup. And his main threat is that any assist call can be annihilated with super xx XF air super from full screen.
Wolvy loves both plasma beam and tatsu. The team falls apart a bit when Wolvy dies however.
If Akuma is the one you want to play and you'd like to maximise that, I might suggest something like:
Magneto
Vergil
Strange
Zero
Haggar
Rocket Raccoon
Sent
Spencer
Nova
There's more, but teams like Mag/Vergil/Akuma, or Zero/Strange/Akuma all provide top chars and great support to maximise your competitiveness and ability to utilise Akuma well.
If you haven't already, I absolutely recommend you watch LivinLegend play, he's the best Akuma, it's not close.
@@SpartanThrone absolute legend you mate, think I’ll chuck out wolverine and just have 2 top tiers as well. I don’t want to work any harder than I have to, thank you
@@GramdalfFGC no worries! Are you in either the US or EU marvel discords?
@@SpartanThrone I’m not no, but i should be
@@GramdalfFGC
EU: discord.com/invite/cRdgcWng
US: discord.com/invite/S8kEDmtZ
Hey, I need an anchor for my team of Iron fist/Thor. my only rule is NO TOP TIERS!!! Suggestions?
@@JAZtheGamer9000 I respect the forthright request.
Arthur is a nice pick cause Doplghost has shown some good/fun Thor/Arthur synergy and Iron Fist likes Daggers assist, especially when gold, and he also has some good anchor moments if the opponent has already spent their XF.
Iron Man is also good, Unibeam is great for IF and I'm sure Thor can use it. Iron Man isn't the strongest anchor, but he's capable once you learn his routing and he has a 3f mashable THC super that hits the opponent before the flash happens which is kinda broke (but attached to a weaker char).
Hawkeye could work with Greyhound
Strange or Rocket DEFINITELY work for both. Bolts for Strange or Spitfire Twice for Rocket. Thor does like Rockets Pendulum (log trap) assist more, but IF will lose some damage without the wall bounce.
Akuma Tatsu could work
Outside of that it's struggle mode with like Chris (machine gun) or Trish (low voltage) or some such who aren't really anchors in much of a sense but could get by.
@@SpartanThrone Thanks, I found a good anchor in the form of Chun Li. she may not have been any of those but I have had fun with her, and I'm Trying out other teams with characters I like such as Iron Fist, Nova, Deadpool, Wesker, and even a bit of Hsien-ko.
I'm Recently going to Pick up the game for the first time I just know that i want to play ryu but don't know who else could be a good pick por the rest of the team or where his position on the team would be
Ryu is a limited character, he needs good support characters around him to function well.
I've seen him run on point and mid.
Characters he likes are:
Shuma (mystic Ray)
Doom (plasma or missiles mainly, but rocks can work)
Dante (Jam)
Magneto (disruptor)
Rocket (pendulum or spitfire)
Arthur (daggers)
Basically he likes most good supports and anyone with with steering assists. Neutral assists that double as OTG assists are extra helpful because he can otg himself without super (eg. Mystic Ray and Missiles)
Vergil (rapid slash)
I wanna play Frank/Dante and i need a third character, but i don’t necessarily wanna use a top tier character or a character that gets seen everywhere
Taskmaster. Keep Frank in Mid to TAC him, take a pic, and go to Lv. 2/3 in one combo. Having Dante or Taskmaster as Point can help rack a good combo.
I used to play alot of Marvel when I was little and now that I'm older and have better execution I wanna get back into the game. How would you say a team of Hsien-Ko(a) Magneto(a) Akuma(b) .
Hsien-Ko on point to get gold and tac in Magneto. Alternatively put Magneto point and TAC in to Gold then hard tag
Glad you're coming back to marvel!
That team's weak link is definitely Hsien Ko, but if you're liking her then Mag/Akuma are definitely 2 chars who help her out a lot.
The only top player using her in recent years is PZpoy so definitely look him up using Hsien Ko/Doom/Vergil if you haven't already!
Overall to improve that team putting Mag on point is a good start, but ultimately switching to a better char than Hsien would be the biggest game changer.
Spencer, Doom, Dorm, Vergil, Task, Strange, Rocket, etc etc work for sure!
I’m running wolverine/mag/sentinel or wolverine/Frank west / magneto or magneto / Frank / sentinel , how does this team sound ? I’ve been trying to learn doom , Virgil and dorm
Wolvy is a character who needs 3 assists but is only allowed to pick 2.
He needs imo:
1) conversions from throws at any height or super jump
2) strong neutral assist / possibility of lockdown
3) assists that provide extensions at the end of combos
He needs the assists to meet those criteria, but also preferably wants one of the assists to also be low hits so he can do big damage from them.
Sadly any combination of assists will only cover 2 of those three max, and often the better the neutral assist the harder for him to use it in combos (disruptor and drones), or if it's a good neutral assist that he can use in combos then often it will scale the damage heavily (plasma, jam session).
Really tough to build a team for wolvy because of this limitations. Certain teams get around it in different ways.
Wolvy/doom/vergil is probably the best team overall for him, and it allows him to deal with scaling issues by using doom's tac infinite and also relying on the strong anchor on the team in vergil.
Wolvy/dante/akuma is a super reset heavy team and the mixups are great, but it comes down to giving opponents more chances than other teams give.
Wolvy/dorm/shuma has maybe the best combination of neutral and reset/mixup capability.
Wolvy/dorm/Iron Fist is a bit mad and relies heavily in rising fang assist due to wolvy's ground pressure making people flinch or take to the air and get hit by the assist which does 1 hit for 130k iirc, so the damage on the combo is high and the welcome mixups and pressure is really stable.
So of your teams, here's what I think:
Wolvy/mag/sent is okay but wolvy will be using really short combos and having to tac infinite with magneto or reset with drones often because extensions are nearly impossible with those assists. It could work as wolvy/mag/doom or mag/wolvy/doom.
Wolvy/frank/mags isn't really functional at all. Wolvy/Frank isn't a good frank pairing sadly as you need to rely on TACs too much to get the levels. Mag/Frank/dante is the best way to play mag and frank together, but vergil/frank/mag is possible as an okay team too.
Mag/frank/sent could work but again it's not really optimal at all.
Doom, vergil and dorm are 3 really good chars to focus on because they slot really nicely into a lot of teams, giving you flexibility later on.
Just started playing with nova and wesker so far, looking for a good third to probably anchor but also fine with running anchor wesker if need be, currently using thor but not sure if the team has the greatest synergy, think i need a horizontal projectile assists but not sure who
Nova and Wesker aren't too obviously synergetic with each other, but that doesn't mean you can't find good synergy if you run them for a while.
Both of them like beams so you're on the right track. The issue is that you will struggle for damage, so my recommendation would be either:
Nova/Wesker/Magneto - Mag's 1 hit disruptor assists helps avoid heavily scaled hits.
Or think about replacing Wesker with Vergil or Spencer to boost Nova's damage (this opens up options like Doom plasma or Iron Man unibeam).
@@SpartanThrone thanks for the quick response and helpful tips, i have a lot of fg experience so I'm not too worried about execution but when trying Vergil I found figuring out when to do the raw super jump in his bnb to be pretty difficult, I do really like the idea of having a Vergil anywhere on the team and am willing to replace Wesker with him due to the team running anchor Wesker kind of just being a dollar store Vergil. Also magneto over Thor also makes a lot of sense since a lot of the utility I like about Thor mag does way better, so I think I'll try him out as well but I am on pad so I've heard execution is difficult, thanks for the tips!
@@lukeblaker8009 pad is great for marvel! Plink dashing is quite clean on pad (though you have less options for button mapping if you want good plinks).
If you do go with Nova/Mag then I recommend you watch both Mundank and/or AcesReturn as they're both top level with that shell.
@@SpartanThrone thanks for all the tips and recommendations, I really appreciate it, having a lot of fun so far with the game and can't wait to learn more, the other guides you have on your channel have also been very helpful so far.
Hi. Years later I know but I'd like to play a team that includes Viper and Morrigan. Thinking Viper in the point but I'm not sure if that would be a waste of what makes Morri strong. Also curious who you might suggest as a good third for that team. Cheers!
@@willb6913 it's a unique problem because Viper likes Plasma and Morrigan likes Missiles.
Viper also does like to be on point, but has been made to work as an anchor before.
Morrigan is great on point tho, and if you were to make a team I'd recommend something like Morrigan/Doom/Viper with Missiles assist.
That said... You could mess about with assists that work for both chars (I'll list some ideas below), but just know that Morrigan becomes the best version of herself when she has Missiles:
Strider Vajra
Rocket Log or Spitfire
Magneto Disruptor
Iron Man Unibeam
Strange Bolts
Dante Jam
Hawkeye Greyhound
Arthur Daggers
Sentinel Drones
MODOK Psionic Blaster
@@SpartanThrone Thanks for the detailed reply! Lots of good ideas to work with including some characters I was already interested in.
@@willb6913 if you get serious about a team and find some interesting stuff let me know!
Is morrigan/spiderman/Ironman a good team? (In that order)
@@LordAlvaro888 frankly... Not great. Maybe just below good? Could make it work? Gonna struggle if you want to be competitive with that trio.
Spiderman like Unibeam, Morrigan makes use of pretty much any assist well, but Missiles is by far (it's not even close) her best assist.
Spidey doesn't really offer much support at all, so it's kinda like 2 points and an assist, playing Morrigan Unibeam and Spidey Unibeam.
I'd focus on either making it a Morrigan team or a Spidey team and trade out one character to do it, but it depends on who you want to play more on your team.
If you were to rank which characters you want to play most of those 1 to 3, what order would they be in?
Also are you in the main UMvC3 discord?
@@SpartanThrone no I’m not in that discord, but I willl (thanks for responding me) let’s see if I can make that team work
Im thinking of coming back to this game after 7 years of not playing. What do you think about a Dante/Frank West/akuma team?
Dante and Frank are definitely BFFs
Akuma is a nice anchor with a good assist, only issue is that Dante point can be a bit of a struggle Vs top points. That said, so is Dormammu point and Noel makes that work so have at it!
I play 2 teams, Dante/Dormammu/X-23 and Viper/Jill/Strider, both teams to me seem to be good at taking care of X-23's win condition and Jill's suckiness, but idrk lmao, what is your opinion on the teams?
That first team was actually played by a high level Dutch player back in the day. Traumatisch is his name if you want to look up footage!
He played it X23 Dorm Dante in that order, but the team is neat. Not the best for X23 overall, but up there as a decent enough team for her that can function.
The Jill team sounds the weaker of the 2. Viper/Strider make a nice duo, but Jill only brings the team down because she doesn't synergise well in that position with those chars. Dante or Doom or Strange and some others like Rocket or MODOK all do well there if you're willing to learn.
Otherwise if you like Jill and want to play her I really recommend putting her on point and using Sent with Drones or Doom with Plasma and some third like Spencer for a damage engine in 2nd.
Weird question but what position is Ryu? I've been wanting to play Zero/Ryu/Vergil
Ryu is typically a point or mid. Point teams try to emphasise his strengths with assists that support him (ie. Durable beams, lockdown eg plasma, Tatsu, mystic Ray)
Teams with him on mid still want to play Ryu, but realise he's limited on point so try to cover that with a strong point character in his place, utilising his safe install DHC and decent damage supers.
(Alternatively Ryu is synergetic with the point and there *is* some reason for having him 2nd, but it's rare. Eg Iron Fist/Ryu). This isn't common and usually takes years of working on a team/duo like that to make it work.
@@SpartanThrone Thanks! One more question, does the team I have above have good synergy? I was thinking especially for Ryu using the hadoken assist just to give zero a little more openings and a little more damage, but he's mostly gonna be there as a second zero.
@@amethystbhb6080 Zero/Ryu would need a good support with them. Vergil is great but his assist is limited in neutral. Zero/Ryu/Doom for example can help that work.
Vergil/Ryu too
Or Ryu/Vergil. I've messed with Ryu/Vergil/Mag before, but any good assist at the back would work.
I play spiderman/zero/wesker, in that order. What do you think of this team?
Few decent characters, but without a main strong assist it is a little bit on the weak side. I'm not familiar with the synergy those chars might have, you might find some very cool stuff, but I would recommend keeping 2 of them and looking to choose one of the better assists for your 3rd character!
@@SpartanThrone well, i chose spiderman and zero because I like both characters and their placement on the team is more because of how zero can help spiderman with his dhc supers both as an install in case of block with sougenmu and another extention after maximum spider with rekkoha since it hits otg
Wesker is mainly there because web glide otg is not always reliable and I still can't do sentsuizan otg (zero's "dive kick") consistently (And he is mad strong as an anchor)
I working on Zero/ Morrigan/ Rocket. But I heard Zero/ rocket/Morrigan works better because you can infinitely call Morrigan .
Overall is the team good?
Yes! Don't think the order matters that much for those 2, you have 2 safe DHCs in trap and astral.
Zero can be in Sougenmu loads with that team and both Log Trap and Spitfire are great assists for Zero.
Definitely front loaded, but if the game plan goes correctly you have no worries at all. The backup plan of Astral with Log is cool too, and XF can be saved pretty well for Rocket a lot of the time, or you can XF2 astral if they have burned their XF or if time is running down.
I was thinking about having a team with strider on point and dog at anchor with like whoever fits best on mid, but after watching this I think that wouldn’t work. Anyone got any advice?(I’m really new and shit, just kinda wanna have fun but with a decent team) (peak video btw, very informative)
Edit- I have just realized they are both anchors. Whoops
@@FISHALADISH Strider/Doom/Ammy would be the best mid for those 2! Although you're right, it's not ideal, however it does have some real good synergy between chars.
You could play Ammy/Doom/Strider, that's more functional. Ammy has the fastest jab in the game so she's a mean point char. Shogun plays point Ammy and players like Rokmode and Jumpman have great Ammy's too to take inspiration from.
Either way, Doom is the best glue to stick those two together with. You are doing better than a lot of teams if you do combine those 3. Just have to learn it!
@@SpartanThrone Ty
@@SpartanThrone what assists are the best?
@@FISHALADISH you want to use Cold Star for Ammy, Vajra for Strider, and I recommend Plasma at first for Doom as it is really just friendly.
Missiles is eventually the better Doom pick, but it takes more awareness to use compared to Plasma.
@@SpartanThrone thanks so much
Can Zero work as a mid/Anchor character or should I just put him at point?
Point is most optimal by a good margin. 2nd works, especially if you learn a way to DHC into Lightning Loops, but generally he has a brilliant install super for safe DHCs in neutral and can control the pace of the game from there.
Anchor can also work, but is the least desirable of the three. He is a bit disgusting in XF3 but it takes advanced understanding and execution to utilise it. You likely want a very strong point with a good assist 2nd if you want Zero last.
Thank you so much.
So I want to play jasonKiddos team but instead of hagar I want to sub in iron man and play advantage of the space im given. Would this work?
Mag/Dorm/IM?
That works 100%
Weak at the back end, but you can make it work. Just please whatever you do don't play it IM/Dorm/Mag lmao
@@SpartanThrone dude my brother took my phone so sorry for us having like a one sided conversation about umvc
@@HanectcenaHGaming well it's more like a 3 sided convo but it's all good!
Revisiting and trying to learn the game somewhat casually while I wait for SF6. Wanted to mostly main Chris.
Chris/Strange/Taskmaster? Also considered Dormammu or Wesker in place of either of the back two, but Im open to other options
Chris Strange Task sounds like a decent team, just quite mid. Me personally I'd mess with Chris/Dorm/Strange.
Any is good tbh tho for what you want, get in training and find some cool stuff!!
Bought this game almost 2 years ago and i play anyone point then Dante mid, strider hiryu anchor
How solid would Spencer/Doom (Plasma Beam)/vergil be? Been wanting to pick him up but don't really want to rin something like mundank's team (not a fan of nova)
That's a really good team. It kills, it has doom/Vergil who are both great. It has safe dhcs, hard tags, tac infinites etc etc lots of synergy.
Spencer on point isn't 100% ideal, but it's still good and if you love Spencer then this is really good.
One of the best Spencer players KyleP runs this team, though he notably uses Missiles instead of Plasma which these days is considered the 'wrong' choice because the horizontal control of beam is key for Spencer.
But yeah have fun, that team is viable for sure!
Great vid as usual! Tron players in EU?
Context: Im also working on tutorials and guides for Tron! This is one topic I was going to cover, because so far the average tron player (As few of us there are), dont have solid shells to work with.
I actually don't know if there are any left in the UK/EU. Used to have one in our scene.
I suppose there are always people in retirement just waiting to come back lol
@@tj_puma sounds awesome!
You can try to examine my duo modok dorm with other characters that support the team like doom, dante, sent, or even strange for that fact. I've mess with doom missiles and jam session.
I bet both of those versions with jam and missiles are really good.
MODOK makes really good use of missiles for sure (as does dorm), but I'm not sure I've seen MODOK jam before properly.
I can't comment on MODOK synergy with most chars, I don't have the depth of understanding of him tbh, but on a surface level I like the sound of Strange at the back more than Sent. I do like Sent for Dorm, but as the only assist for both Dok and Dorm drones leaves them a little vulnerable.
I quite like the sounds of both Dok/Dorm with rocket / Log, as well as with Shuma
I really like the idea of MODOK point for Dorm though, tell me more 👀👀
@@SpartanThrone ya for sure modok doom is up there cause of priest. Modok is a solid point character at the 99 he gets fly in the air and still assist which amazing for start nooch or go for cross up which wat I tend to do with modok shuma or modok dante. Modok has great pressure and mix up but the problem is his buttons aren't the greatest against other characters that can just put him pressure like wolverine Magento zero vergil morrigan ect. So Modok best position is second slot or first slot.
@@SpartanThrone original team for me when I first pick up modok was modok rr shuma cause I was a huge fan of punisher and angelic but the team wasn't all that great. I'm experimenting with modok dorm rr now cause a good friend just gave me the idea. So I'll just do some combo videos with the teams
@@sickabyss2 excellent, looking forward to it, I like Dorm/Rocket a lot, log is really cool, I just can't play Rocket haha
@@SpartanThrone I'm not crazy w rocket but I have the Boulder loops. I drop rr cause I'm not the type who likes to reset more then 2 times to kill. I suck at doing resets constantly
@SpartanThrone I watched this video multiple times and looked up many things but I'm still wondering what a good team with dante would be without using vergil or doom?
Lots of options!
Depends on your execution level and how much effort you want to put it.
Some examples (which are workable shells to mix and match) might be:
Mag/Dorm/Dante
Viper/Dante/Strider
Wolvy/Dante/Akuma
Zero/Dante/Hawkeye
Not an exhaustive list.
Some other chars that go with Dante:
Rocket
Strange
Arthur
Sentinel
MODOK
Morrigan
Magneto (on anchor to assist Dante)
@@SpartanThrone If I were to use rocket what assist would be best and would a team like Dante/Rocket/X work
@@rezn2262 Dante is usually better as mid or anchor, his buttons are a little slower than most point characters, though at most levels that definitely doesn't matter so much.
For Rocket the easiest assist to use is Log Trap (Pendulum), its massive arc is really strong. Spitfire Twice is also really good.
I like Strange as a 3rd for them using Bolts, but basically any main support or anchor character can go behind those 2 (except certain cases like Morrigan or Phoenix).
@@SpartanThrone Thank you I will definitely use this
Just getting into this game. Extremely new player. based on gameplay that ive seen i was thinking of going with : wolverine(point) and then mageneto(assist) vergil(anchor) . How viable is thiss team lolll.
Good stuff glad you're experimenting!
So that team would rely heavily on disruptor assist as the main neutral assist. Problem for wolverine though is that while it's a quick beam, it's also only 1 hit and low projectile durability. Other beams like Doom's plasma beam are slower but have more durability, allowing wolverine to call it and get past the opponent's projectiles.
I find sometimes using just disruptor in neutral it can be beaten/nullified meaning your point character can't push in against teams with decent projectiles.
Your team would work it's decent, but could be a little more optimal as either:
Wolvy/Doom/Vergil
or
Mag/Doom/Vergil
X-23, Amaterasu and Nova?
Hmmmm. I'd probably run that Nova/X23/Ammy, but it's not exactly a strong team as it doesn't optimise Nova or X23.
Nova/Doom/Ammy would be a good team for Nova and Ammy
Or something like Nova/Dante/X23 might be a bit better for X23 while only changing 1 char.
Can c.viper trish dante work, i know doom is good but I really like trish’s combos😢
Yes that seems both generally functional, but also Trish / Dante have good synergy together, as do Viper / Dante. I'm less sure about Viper / Trish but I *think* it should work nicely because Trish has the round harvest super which can support Viper unblockables (if they do block it the super). But also if you do an invul super with Viper you have that as a safe DHC.
I would use Trish's Low Voltage assist. It's a cool team!
@@SpartanThrone thanks for the response man love the content keep it up🖤
How do you feel bout
X23/veiwtiful joe/ zero or x23/veiwtufl joe/phoenix
Both teams are fundamentally flawed!
X23 is generally a weak point. She needs strong assists if you are choosing to play her on point, which Joe/Zero/Phoenix don't have.
Most strong x23 teams now have her in the 3rd slot eg. Dante/Iron Man/X23.
You may need to focus on either X23 or Joe, or if you must have both then Dante would be my pick for a 3rd for you (or Doom), but would advise you play something like Zero/Dante/X23 or Viewtiful Joe/Morrigan/Phoenix.
@@SpartanThrone (im just a beginner but looking on how my team is
Wouldn’t it be best if zero goes first then x23 and veiwtufl joe my last cuz I can’t but pretty good combos with joe. I would solely rely on. Zero to do most damage. In the begging idk what should I look for. ?
@@acequides8292 if you are going to stick with those 3 chars for now then yep put a Zero first.
Eventually I recommended starting to learn someone like Dante or Doom, but for now you can vibe with your team, but be sure to start working on lightning loops!
@@SpartanThrone ok I think I figured out forsure my team
How bout iron man Wesker x23
@@acequides8292 getting closer! Tbh you can probably make that team work, but you might want Wesker on point and to learn the iron man tac infinite!
Hello I just started Labbing a weird zero team I know iron man isn't a great pic but the sticking sentinel behind them both change anything?
You've got Zero plus two mid-tier chars, both near top supports though, so it's a very functional team for sure.
If you're happy with that you can make it work for sure. In future you can still improve it too by keeping one support and bringing in a specific anchor character to back up the gameplan because currently it mostly rests on Zero's shoulders.
Vergil is the obvious pick for then to be honest, but you could also just switch out one of them for the stronger supports eg Doom or Dante eventually if you need to change.
@@SpartanThrone Thank you this is very helpful
I currently play PW, Doom, Cap. Im looking to switch doom out for someone like Dorm, Nova, or Magneto. What would be the best option and positions? Anyone else i should be looking at picking up to back PW?
Ah, so you want to keep PW?
I might recommend something like Mag/PW/Doom and use Missiles assist for Doom.
Mag is great with just one assist and he builds good meter/does good damage. DHCing to PW to kill then calling missiles and Maya will give you a good amount of time to get evidence. Alternatively Shockwave DHC to PW from neutral is a good way to get Mag out safely while also gaining good frame advantage and clearing the screen.
I think Mags is the best of those 3 you mentioned for a PW team, however if you haven't already you could check out Aonien match footage or his YT channel (I think he has one?). Spencer/PW/Doom has some really unique synergy. You'd run Plasma Beam for Doom there, but Spencer always kills because he can do an 80k and then reset the combo with PW's Missiles (dog) assist into an unblockable that you can't escape. There's footage of him Vs RayRay on Ray's channel.
Hope that helps!
@@SpartanThrone sweet. I hadn't even thought about Spencer. I'll use whatever time I got today to learn mag and Spencer. I ended up learning a bit of dorm last night, so maybe I could throw him in there somewhere and mix it up. Thanks!
@@SpartanThroneI ended up completely switching my team to Haggar/Dorm/Doom, and looking into taking that team into a local. Looking to shake it up again for my casual nights however, maybe replacing doom or dorm for sentinel. Which would give me better options for flashy, interesting gameplay?
@@MrMoss0213 both are good, really depends on if you prefer Dorm or Doom.
Dorm Doom is good
Doom Sent is good
Dorm Sent is a tier below them but still decent.
I've been playing trish/rocket raccoon/doctor strange OR doctor doom/rocket raccoon/doctor strange for awhile but I feel both can be weak.
With my trish team, I try to go for unblockable setups using round trip and eye of agamatto.
With my doom team i generally play keepaway.
I have mixups but I don't have TAC infinites down.
Any tips? Or any sort suggestions on who to switch out? I enjoy setups, traps and similar things but is all of this viable in an offline tournament setting? Thank you for all of your content @SpartanThrone!
For the Trish team you are definitely lookin to play the keepaway game (opponent's team dependant), but I feel Rocket is the weak link for her because she needs damage. Once Rocket's on the field do you have the combos down to tag into Strange for the FoF loops? Kbrad has Vergil in the middle and the DHC is really valuable for her. So possibly Vergil in 2nd replacing either Strange or Rocket.
For the Doom point one the damage is not a problem I'm sure, it's just Doom is an okay point character, but his issues still persist in that he can be heavily zoned, especially when he's facing a full team.
I definely recommend learning both Trish and Doom's infinites to expand your options for meter build and damage. Trish has a really easy one and Doom's is consistent too (4 frame link each rep), I have a tutorial (actually a couple of tutorials) for my Doom TAC infinite setups that I'm sure would come up if you searched on here.
Having said that, Doom/Dorm/Strange sounds like a great point Doom team 😁😁
I experimented a bit with Trish Rocket unblockables, but I found that if done on a knockdown, holding hardtag makes it really unreliable. They get hit by the round harvest obviously, but start rising upward. You can then hit with the very beginning of log trap, but Round harvest moves very inconsistently, so it's pretty unreliable.
Instead recently I've been messing with Trish/Task, as he has enough time to unblockable after tag, and has an easier time dealing with the raw tag option. She also appreciates H Arrows assist as it leaves the opponent grounded, so instant overhead->dive kick combos very easily with them.
Still haven't found what third works best with them though. Maybe vergil, but that would leave Task anchor which is meh.
H Arrows as in Horizontal arrows my b
@@JumbaJumby I love the idea of Trish unblockable setups, some are really cheap and depending on life totals and your meter then it's game deciding in some circumstances.
I feel like you need someone with really good scaling to abuse it fully, ie. Doom or Zero or even Mag because of his meter build?
@@SpartanThrone I remember a guy who ran Trish/Doom/Wesker, "Killswitch" iirc, who used basically the same concept - lots of Round Harvest unblockable setups; throw Harvest tag Doom > High/low unblockable with Wesker assist. The idea is to compensate for Trish's poor damage/meter build, if he can't kill he'd just spend 1 bar to reset you. If you take the hit, Doom scaling usually still good enough to kill a half health character.
He also used it on incoming most of the time...which was largely just a knowledge check tbh; pushblock to stall yourself in the air sometimes worked, or just take the hit > Harvest pushes you higher, making it harder to confirm + even if Doom does confirm, usually can't kill a full health char cuz of scaling and extra HSD for an air-to-air at SJ height.
It was an interesting concept though, I reckon the main use competitively is just the reset potential, cuz that helps with damage. Discussion above re: Taskmaster = same concept...resets. Just gotta be aware that some chars can get out, if they have good invul supers(eg Hulk can XF > insert meteors into slot).
I wanted to play a Thor team, currently I thought up Thor/Rocket Raccon/Vergil
Any changes you would recommend? (Open to switching Thor’s role or substituting him for someone similar)
I really like that team! Thor loves Rocket's support with either Log Trap or Spitfire Twice (but I think mainly log), and his DHC to the trap super allows him to hard tag back to Thor for more damage. Have you watched Iron God play Thor/Rocket/Strange? That's really good because you can tag to Strange for Flames of the Faltine Loops at the end iirc.
And you have a better anchor on your team with Vergil. It's really strong for Thor to have a good team of Point/Support/Anchor!
Thank you.
Haven’t seen Iron God, will check him out.
Whats a good team for beginners?
Lots of beginner friendly teams out there, depends what you want!
If you want something to pick up and play then I recommend Wolvy/Doom/Vergil using Plasma Beam assist for Doom.
If you want something top tier then Zero/Doom/Vergil is the easiest step up from that.
But other simple teams might be:
Nova/Spencer/Doom
Wesker/Doom/Strider
Hulk/Sent/Haggar
Any chars in particular you like ?
Idk why i’m watching this, my team of Captain America, Deadpool and Akuma is good enough for me
What’s a viable team for a Spider-Man main
Im using wesker, dante, and Virgil because the're all badasses and with alt color 2 on dante and virgil the 3 look sick as fuck
Team Trenchcoat always 🔥
Wanted to play a team of trish/morrigan/phoenix. Don't know how well that would work though
Sounds good, Morri/Jean is one of the best shells in the game, and Trish is a good defensive/runaway character who can make good use of Dark Harmoniser assist. I've never seen anyone play it with Trish at the front but I'm sure that it will be more than viable, just gotta put the hours in match and in training!
@@SpartanThrone thanks for the advice, team has been working well, wanted to try and make a secondary to play with, how does She-Hulk/Doom/Spencer sound? I like it and think it might be doable.
@@b-goat05 that sounds okay for She Hulk for sure. 1upMiles in the UK had a She Hulk / Doom / Vergil team he was fond of, so Doom can def support her with assists/DHC/ TAC infinites.
Glad to hear the Trish team is working for you!
Thats my team actually though i (usually) lead with Morrigan. Both orders work for this team. I used to use Trish's 214B (Peekaboo) assist but i found her 214A (Hopscotch) assist helps Morrigan in neutral more as well as working better for doing long combos off of it. Ive been experimenting with (astral) 5A B C 6C + call trish > jump (7) > jC > j236D > fly > j236A/D.
Is wesker/dante/vergil a good team?
That's one that used to be very popular. It was known as Team Trenchcoat.
Lots of people played it Vergil/Dante/Wesker, but that was back when people didn't know just how strong Vergil was on anchor, and also they thought XF3/Glasses off Wesker was busted.
If you do play it W/D/V order you have a choice to make on Dante's assist that doesn't normally happen. Normally you just run Jam Session, but Weasel Shot is also good for Wesker.
Jam session - Okay for Wesker, amazing for Vergil.
Weasel Shot - Good for Wesker, okay for Vergil.
Bro thanks for the info I really appreciate it and team trenchcoat is such a badass name!
Question is when are you dropping IF?
I dropped him in 2013! Hope that clears everything up 😂😂😂
@@SpartanThrone That means the ghost of Spartan has been playing all this time 🤔
Pro players already made the homework for you, use their teams as templates to see what works for you
Dude I installed tons of mods on umvc3, but is the game populated on the Steam version so that you can find challengers ?
If so, I'll reinstall the game thanks
I think if you've installed mods then the natural matchmaking will crash every time you find a player. I think there aren't that many players however.
Lots of players use parsec and matchmake through the main marvel discord or other marvel places. TNS runs a weekly marvel tournament and occasionally does special ones, sometimes with mods. XFactory also does modded tournies weekly if you're interested in that. Both are online and free to enter.
@@SpartanThrone
Bossy reply ty sir !