Very nice video, thanks! For the future maybe add some close up pictures where people who have never had those things in hand can actually pause the video and look at it closely. Also for better understanding it may be worth to note that the high speed spring plate (WP, Showa) is actually cupped so that it only pushes on the perimeter of the reference shims and puts no extra force on the smaller shims later in the stack. And last but not least the 6-hole piston in the WP Pro shocks it rather new (3 years?) as before it used a piston very similar in port design and area to the stock piston.
Dude, my clickers are maxed on my 23 ktm 300xc. Way too soft for anything fast. I may have to go back and readjust after this vid. Excellent breakdown.
The '17 and up Showa shock on the CRF is best shock I've ever ridden. The ONLY negative is the weak rebound adjuster that breaks on the 17's. I believe 18 and up they fixed it.
JB, do you think it’s beneficial to try a high speed spring plate that pushes on the 16mm shim in the KYB base/high speed valve? Thinking I’ll machine one up and give it a try. My concern would be whether I need to choose a different adjuster spring rate.
Great explenation and really easy to understand! Thanks for the video! I would love to see a video about the N10Z shock adjuster since they claim it dynamicly adjusts to the oil flow speed. I don't know if they are common in the us, here in europe i saw them a few times.
My understanding of the KYB triple adjuster with rebound adjustment up top is a bad idea! We want to maintain fluid pressure not limit it by being restricted from the reservoir. Pressure balance is very important and seems to have been forgotten in the way of making more $$! While it’s not a huge issue it’s nonetheless definitely not ideal!
Just rode my Stark and with some clicker changes- that thing tracks . I am interested to know your view/ ideas. Being able to hear everything confuses me a little regarding suspension. I have springs to weight- not sure how much valving will help further?
Hello and thanks for the comment. The stark is awesome. The reduction in rotating mass and vibration goes to show how much a motor (gas or electric) can influence the feel and handling of a motorcycle. Ride JBI has been developing Stark settings for a few months now.
I heard somewhere once about pro circuit having a mod for the kun to make it work better (more like the showa) but have never been able to find anything about it. Have you seen anything like that
You didn't speak about the biggest variation between the adjusters which is the effective pressure area being the area of the face shims in contact with the working fluid. The Showa and KYB have 3 times the area of the stock WP. This is why the WP shim stack has to be too light which causes massive flow imbalances. th-cam.com/video/CRu065-ck5M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dwGNGgpx7_pAGRxn
@@RideJBI I don't have the scale or platform to make it viable but why don't you make a adjuster piston for the wp shock that mimics the operation of the showa and kyb. If we increase the pressure area 150mm2 vs 56mm2 we can run a stiffer stack whilst still getting it to lift earlier. Management of the pressures would be far better. I run a kyb (16 crf body) wp hybrid with the triple adjuster.
Hello again. You are absolutely correct and thinking along the same lines as Ride JBI. Ride JBI may have already developed and been testing such Comp Adj piston for the WP shocks. JB is excited to share more details as development progresses. Please consider this first video as a way to start the conversation about comp adjusters and to broadly inform / educate the viewers.
Great! I guess among all the videos, is the first one that really explains in detail how the high/ low compression works.
Thanks 🙏
Glad it was helpful!
- Anthony
Very nice video, thanks! For the future maybe add some close up pictures where people who have never had those things in hand can actually pause the video and look at it closely. Also for better understanding it may be worth to note that the high speed spring plate (WP, Showa) is actually cupped so that it only pushes on the perimeter of the reference shims and puts no extra force on the smaller shims later in the stack. And last but not least the 6-hole piston in the WP Pro shocks it rather new (3 years?) as before it used a piston very similar in port design and area to the stock piston.
Thanks for the suggestion!
- Anthony
Thanks JB! Feel like I understand a lot more about the rear adjusters.
Hi Brilliant video, could you do a video explaining what kind of jumps/bumps are affected by turning the high speed vs low speed? Thanks
Great suggestion! I think we just might have to!
- Anthony
This is the most informative video on suspension Ive ever seen. This is awesome. Please do more!🔥🔥🇺🇸
Thanks Matthew! Many more to come
- Anthony
Would be great to see how/explain how matching rebound to spring rate is best achieved
Dude, my clickers are maxed on my 23 ktm 300xc. Way too soft for anything fast. I may have to go back and readjust after this vid. Excellent breakdown.
Great information and explanation!! I’ve never seen this level of explanation before, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
The '17 and up Showa shock on the CRF is best shock I've ever ridden. The ONLY negative is the weak rebound adjuster that breaks on the 17's. I believe 18 and up they fixed it.
Very detailed and educational video JB. Impressive
JB, do you think it’s beneficial to try a high speed spring plate that pushes on the 16mm shim in the KYB base/high speed valve?
Thinking I’ll machine one up and give it a try. My concern would be whether I need to choose a different adjuster spring rate.
Great explenation and really easy to understand! Thanks for the video! I would love to see a video about the N10Z shock adjuster since they claim it dynamicly adjusts to the oil flow speed. I don't know if they are common in the us, here in europe i saw them a few times.
Thanks for watching! We will do some research and see what we can come up with on the N10Z shock adjuster.
- Anthony
Great video. Thanks for clearing that up
Can’t wait to send you the suspension of my 23 kx450SR
You’re the best JB 👍
How about explaining KYB shock on Suzuki with triple adjustment. And can this adjuster be replaced with two adjuster type ?
My understanding of the KYB triple adjuster with rebound adjustment up top is a bad idea!
We want to maintain fluid pressure not limit it by being restricted from the reservoir.
Pressure balance is very important and seems to have been forgotten in the way of making more $$!
While it’s not a huge issue it’s nonetheless definitely not ideal!
Just rode my Stark and with some clicker changes- that thing tracks . I am interested to know your view/ ideas. Being able to hear everything confuses me a little regarding suspension. I have springs to weight- not sure how much valving will help further?
Hello and thanks for the comment.
The stark is awesome.
The reduction in rotating mass and vibration goes to show how much a motor (gas or electric) can influence the feel and handling of a motorcycle.
Ride JBI has been developing Stark settings for a few months now.
I heard somewhere once about pro circuit having a mod for the kun to make it work better (more like the showa) but have never been able to find anything about it. Have you seen anything like that
I have the Wp kit stuff on my kx ..its very very good
Brilliant & Very informative vid keep them coming please
More to come!
- Anthony
will the kyb compression adjuster assembly swap out with a showa like on a 2022 crf250r?
Hello 👋
Unlikely it will be a direct fitment / replacement. Possible with some modifications it could be made to work.
Great intel.
Great video 😊
Thank you Donovan!
- Anthony
Shake that ass homie! Good stuff, keep up the good work!
You didn't speak about the biggest variation between the adjusters which is the effective pressure area being the area of the face shims in contact with the working fluid. The Showa and KYB have 3 times the area of the stock WP.
This is why the WP shim stack has to be too light which causes massive flow imbalances.
th-cam.com/video/CRu065-ck5M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dwGNGgpx7_pAGRxn
Agreed! Well said
- Anthony
@@RideJBI I don't have the scale or platform to make it viable but why don't you make a adjuster piston for the wp shock that mimics the operation of the showa and kyb.
If we increase the pressure area 150mm2 vs 56mm2 we can run a stiffer stack whilst still getting it to lift earlier. Management of the pressures would be far better.
I run a kyb (16 crf body) wp hybrid with the triple adjuster.
Hello again. You are absolutely correct and thinking along the same lines as Ride JBI. Ride JBI may have already developed and been testing such Comp Adj piston for the WP shocks. JB is excited to share more details as development progresses. Please consider this first video as a way to start the conversation about comp
adjusters and to broadly inform / educate the viewers.