Hello all. While I appreciate that so many are interested in my video, I cannot help you with mounting your own skates. This video show cases the one time I have ever mounted skates. At this point it is years old and I do not remember the math of my measurements, size of the bolts used, etc. In all honesty, I only remounted these boots because Riedell did a horrible job of mounting them in the first place and that was just one item in a list of issues I had with them over these skates. Their factory mount was not on the correct line, with the front trucks too far back behind the ball of the foot, and they also mangled the sole of the boot by drilling at an incorrect angle. I attempted to remount this and it turned out just okay. I don’t use these skates anymore and I count the whole situation as a loss that has caused me to no longer buy any products from Riedell or any company they own. Given all that, please do not email me asking details for your own mounts. I cannot help you. Again, this video was for entertainment purposes only. It is not a tutorial on how to mount skates.
I have been contacted by a few people over sizing and how I came to find the correct size for myself. So I have added the resources I used to size my boots and plates together in the description. There is a chart for sizing of each, and another chart showing the matching sizes of Riedell boots to Roll-Line plates. I did what's referred to as a "sport" mount in this video. My Solaris is a men's size 8.5 and I mounted a 165 size Roll-Line plate to it. Hope that helps anyone looking to get the same or a similar setup!
I just happened to find this video. I have been having the same issue with not adjusting or improving in agility no matter how much I practice. It took some research but I realized it's the traditional/standard mount that is my problem. Until now, I never knew that skates had so much mechanical details that we could customize to fit our individual needs. Thank you for sharing this, David.😁
Well done on the mounting man, absolutely top quality work. Also the link describing the differences between 6k and 7k ALU was really interesting. You really do make quad skating look easy with those slick dance moves.
Thanks man! Yeah I wanted to know the diff before buying so I had to dig pretty deep. There was not a lot of information about these plates that was easily found.
With the Roll Line brand, you get what you pay for! I never thought that tools would be included with roller skate plates! I'm thinking about buying Edea Showgirl boots mounted on Roll Line Variant M or Roll Line Mistral plates the next time I buy new roller skates!💕
Ring is an Amazing Frame... they look like two mini Space Stations on my feet ... very quick and snappy very sharp & deep turning radius ... these Frames are EXTREMELY EXTREMELY Responsive ... Awesome ...!!! You’ll Love ‘em you won’t regret getting a pair ... Also no Toe Stop threads ...
Great video. So what WB did you end up at? One of the fun things I learned when I was doing what you just did was that I did not want to mount my own skates but found someone like kev who is legend at mounting. He challenged me to increase my KP angle or keep it the same but to lower my wheel base. I went down 1/2 in and ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! We also kicked it forward and looks very similar to yours. If you look at foreign of USA builds, ALOT have short forwards. I plan to go down another 1/4 in possibly on my next build. Im setting currently at a 20 deg KP from a 16. a 7in WB down from 7.5 on a 10.5 or 45eu size Boot. I think were setting pretty similar.
Interestingly, I have skated a 158mm wheelbase for the last 5 or 6 years. I didn’t know much about mounts when I got those skates. The Reactor Pro plates I took off my Solaris was 168mm. I went to 165mm with the Killer and shifted the plate forward. It’s perfect 👌.
I'm still a relatively new skater and a rookie derby player as well and I noticed that my rink skates weren't giving me what my derby skates do. Lo and behold.. my derby skates have a shorter mount. I'm seriously considering upgrading my derby skates to Solaris boots + a 20 deg plate. (I took a gander at a 45 deg plate but I'm not trying to kill myself HAHA)
I have two questions... I bought powerdyne reactor pros and I was wondering how stiff is it when you skate because of the 10 degree angle. All I do is skate backwards and forwards but most of the time I’m going fast. Do you think that it’ll be a noticeable difference from my old nylon 15 degree angle? Second question is, how much do you normally get charged when you go to a skate shop and ask them to mount a plate. I asked one locally and they said $40 overnight and $65 same day. Does that seem right?
@ 4:25 I don't use metal axle washer nuts, as they are tooo performance decreasing and too heavy, but if you do I'm sure they'll work great for you. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Love your videos. Your videos convinced me to buy the Solaris. I'm going to do a custom order and I was wondering how the suede is holding up for you? Is the suede wearing down faster? I just received an order of Wicked Scott wheels and can't wait to try them out.
I used to skate professionaly thru my teen to early 20s. I had the riddell tux flap boots with Snyder Advantage plates, Hyper Cannibal wheels. Im thinkin of getting back into it and build a pair of skates. Looking at The Powerdyne Arius platinum, Roll lines, and Lambada Prolines (probably because they where the holy grail back in the day right after they discontinued them). Have you skated on Advantage be4 or Arius? if so can you compare them to the roll line killer?
Been looking at this plate for derby, what is your opinion on these plates now that you have used more? Big spend so trying to be as accurate as I can with ordering. I skate on the Antik ar2 boot. Wish you could go into more depth on the mounting process for us!!! Love your tutorials, you are amazing at explaining and I really appreciate you!!😊
Short version is, best plates I've owned so far. I may do a review at some point. I don't go into too much detail about the mounting because I don't have a lot of experience with it. I've had a lot of people email me asking for advice that I'm not comfortable giving because of this video, actually. So I typically turn that sort of request away.
It may be me but I am not seeing a link for the hardware used. I am about to mount to a new pair of 951’s and am interested to try the t-bolts. I think I saw the same hardware on the quad fathers insta page.
Thank you for likin my comment. I wanted to ask about runnin 95a on the street? I ordered some evolve 62 95a from the " SkateMall" in Lewisville Tx. Not expensive wheels. I think their evolve evolution? I like em and they still have treads. I put em on my cheap skates( Bullets). Also i guess I need to make a video ive been on these bullets 19 weeks now and the toe liner in the right boots last night is waddin up over my toes and cuttin across. I pulled and tried to glue it back but beware those. I think if your child needed their own for the rink man these are good. By no way as good as the sure grips I had in the late 70's but im back skatin. Now when I skate the dogs these 62mm wheels ive noticed are less revolutions an wee bit faster. The bullets came with 58's. And i wore the little tread lines off already and rotated once. Ive got em numbered for rotation when I use em again.
I rolled 57mm 96a's on the street to get to the park. When I started out, they were un-usable. Now, I can roll them just fine. I roll 62mm 90a's now and it's much faster. I barely feel the difference in the bumpiness and I recently put jelly insoles in my boots.
I’m moving back to prolines from laser had proline before. My question is they recommended a 750 plate for my size 10 but I have heard slightly smaller plates for jam skating are better. Is this true?
The term “ sport “ mount being the same as a short forward ? I’m having this same issue with the bonts I ordered. The rear of the plate sticks well past the heel of me foot and the front is behind the ball of the foot. I went and got fitted for a set of riedells just incase the shop can’t seem to correct bonts mounting process.
Funny thing I actually just realigned my Reign Kronos yesterday as well as heat molded them over the weekend just seemed like a good time to try it and man they feel amazing the frame is just where I like it now (before it was to far back so trying to get on just my front wheels was a little rough) no more pressure points & the control is insane! Hey David I was wondering because your one of the few youtubers I feel I trust what would you recommend as a cheaper like around $60- or so just for fun quad skate? I kinda want to try it out because of you tbh, & I know as much as I can about inline but I have no clue whatsoever when it comes to quad...
Bro, I’m so glad to hear you wanna try out quads. I’ve gotta be honest though, I can’t think of a quad skate for $60 that is going to be any good. The Riedell R3 is a nice beginner package. It’s what they call a “fresh meat” skate in roller derby. You can get one of those complete for about $130. That’s the main one I can think of off the top of my head. Jump in the Facebook group “Skate Addiction” and ask. You’ll get a ton of good suggestions!
@@DeezSkates Ty big time I guess I am kinda fresh meat lol. I'm not sure how much different their center of balance will be! but I'll keep you updated if I find some used or something & decide to pick em up!
Hello, is it very difficult to learn inline skating by yourself? Does it take a long time to learn? What inline skates do you recommend? As a beginner I do not want to invest a large sum of money in the skates, perhaps I had thought about some rollerblade brand, any recommendation in this regard? I hope you can help me, thanks.
So recently I bought a riedell 951 boot with a roll line mistral plate. I originally was skating on vnla mint jr skates. My new set up feels totally different from the vnla set up. I’ve found myself already used to the boot, but I’m having trouble getting used to the plate. The front wheels are closer to the ball of my foot unlike vnla skates which wheels are closer to the toes. It gives a totally different feel and I find myself having less toe plug space to work with on my new set up than the vnla’s. Any tips or comments on this? Anybody ever experience what I’m talking about?
Hi Deez, I couldn't help noticing that the plates are mounted with a lot of "toe-out". I know Riedell and Edea/Roll Line factory mounts have the centre of the plate aligned to the seam in the toe, and your mount looks about 8mm from there. A large toe out would help with skating sideways, but places pressure on the inside of the boot which could make the skate want to turn in. How did you arrive at this amount of toe-out, and is there any downside to it? Toe-out is more of a mystery than plate fore-aft placement.
In short, to center the mount you measure where the centers of the ball and heel of the foot are (at the widest points) and create a straight line. When you see a mount that is perfectly centered with the seam, it's more than likely not correct. However, it depends on the boot. The Solaris here has an anatomical fit in the ball so it makes the boot appear wide, exaggerating how "off center" it looks at the toe. To see what I mean, pause at 6:44 and you can see that if you set the tip of the plate directly toward the center of the toe, the back portion of the plate would be sticking way off to the side. Also, I will note that it's pretty well known among most lifelong quad skaters that companies which make skates are notoriously not as good at mounting them as a skilled shop technician. I'm not sure why that is, but the mount this Solaris came with was god awful.
Which degree is most stable. I got the neos 10° i was fond of speed skatin 42 years ago so thats what I ordered but Im a lone skater and dont really know but I ordered 13 plate size and i use a 12 boot cause im 11.5 shoe s8ze.
Hadley, The rule here is, the lesser the number, the more stable. The greater the number, the more agile and responsive. The best way to know if you have the correct setup is to know the measurements of the boot and plate lengths, since all companies size different. 😉
@@DeezSkates ok so I achieved what I wanted im fond of speed skatin but im old but i wheelie manuver alot so thats where my agility is. The problem I was havin is when I lean forward and kick, the other support leg tries to slip out to the rear and when i stand and relax slips out to the front. I get that fall scare and it breaks the focus. Im thinkin its the cheap skates tho. The axels are 8" distance. The plates I ordered are 8.5" size 13 plates but im 11.5 shoe and 12 skateboot. And im gonna put 12 boots on the 13 plates has anyone else done this you know of? And whats with mens rollerderby? I mean theres two girl teams here in shreveport bossier. Am i gonna have to join the girls team ? I dont know a whole lot but I can be coached and it seems awesome to play man.
Dobemandan I have a closet with more than a dozen skates all with 8mm bearings. Cross compatibility is more important imo. And there isn’t really any performance reason to go with 7mm over 8mm axles. 🤷♂️
@@DeezSkates I hear you... Same here. I took the plunge and was surprised! The 7mm have better tolerances it's noticable. You could always buy new hangers/axles if curiosity ever got the best of you.👊🏻
On rewatching this after our chats on FB: the open-ended spanners aren't for their mounting hardware (here in Europe the plates don't even come with that because art boots usually do, and they mostly make plates for those), two of them are to adjust your pivot pins. (No idea why you got three 😁.)
Purple and Gold? have you been playing some Saints Row or something? haha, just messing. yeah, ive read so many different ways about mounting plates. in the end i ended up kinda using a bit of a few methods put together to figure mine out. and i love the result. right now im wearing Ridell Darts on Avanti plates. but ive beaten my Darts up real bad over the last few months of skating outside, and im looking into some Jam Skate boots. my only problem is that im a size 14. with most skates stopping at size 12 or 13, my options are very limited. :( ill probably end up making another Frankenstein pair exclusively for indoors once i find the right Boot and Plates.
Shawn, I’m fairly certain that if you contact Riedell they will make any boot in their inventory in a larger size for you. You’ll just have to wait a month or so for it, but it would be worth it.
If it turns out for some reason they won’t, there is always the full custom option, where they take a drawing of your foot and make that exact shape, rather than a specific size. It costs more, but you can get full custom colors and pick your leather, put a custom design on them, and even pick features from multiple models and blend them to your liking. It’s pretty cool.
Sure! To find the proper center, I used calipers for measure the heel, and the widest part of the ball. I marked the center of each and then used a ruler to draw a straight line from one to the other. The center of the plate nose basically ends up pointing toward the space between the second and third toe (assuming the big toe is the first).
@@DeezSkates Sorry, I don't know the terms that well. I was referring to the angles of the wheels (I think). You said something about the front angles for manuverability and back angles for stability.
Ahhh. I see what you mean. I believe you want the kingpin angle, which is the bolt that the trucks fix onto. The rule is, if it’s a lesser angle (for example, my previous plate was 10 degrees) it is more stable. If a greater angle (Killer plate has 18 degree front and 16 degree back) it is more agile and responsive, but less stable.
Less about jumping and such. More about turning and the ability to manipulate more complex dance movements, and hold an edge. Think about it like this. If the angle is less, then your heel and ball are standing directly over the kingpins, which is basically pointed directly toward the floor. In this case it is more difficult to flex the wheels inward and outward, which is what has to happen when you want to turn. If you angle the kingpins more, you can spread the pressure angle across the cushions that hold the trucks in place and it will allow you to turn much more easily. Also, as you lessen the wheelbase, you will tighten the potential turning radius in combination with making the KP angle greater. In the case of my original plate, I had a slight 10 degree angle with a very long wheelbase, which made it difficult to use my agility, as the heel and toes had to work much harder to manipulate the action. Combine that with the fact that the mount was too far back and I had a disaster of a skate. The fix I applied here was to lessen the wheelbase, make the angle of the KP slightly greater, and mount it forward for more control directly over the plate. Of course, any time you add agility you sacrifice stability and vice versa. I know that’s a lot. Haha. Does that make a little more sense?
Nope. Sorry. This is my first mounting I ever did and I am not skilled enough to be making tutorials on this subject. I recommend talking to an expert.
I hear that. I had skated a sport mount all my life and didn’t know it... I let Riedell build one set for me on a standard mount and was like “what is this mess??” Lol
Deez Skates I’ll let you know when I get down all the moves I’m used to going downhills in my inlines I assume you don’t really do much but skate on flat stuff right?
you didn't tell us how you line up your plate or the adjustment on the toe to heel position to gain your balanced happy zone, this is the most important part of the video,
You don't have to pay a shop again, but if you knew what you wanted from get go (an offset sports mount) they can do it. And a good shop has decades experience too and give warranties, so no pressure if they mess it up. Also a professional shop will plug and fill old holes. They also Sand and use wedges to fill the gap under the toes between skating boot and flat frame. I've yet to see anyone not a shop do this. There's plenty other techniques passed down over the past 5 decades from people who worked for sure grip, Riedell, and others.
Yeah. It’s a damn shame the companies themselves don’t still seem to be implementing good practices anymore. That’s why I trust so few shops. I’ve had bad mounts from a few places, but the absolute worst ones come from the companies that make the skates… mega irony.
@@DeezSkates yes I think skate companies just mount to sell boots. And maybe try to get the best general mount. The worse is companies that won't sell boots unmounted. I think that's the future. Just buying boots and plates, relying on masters to mount
Next time you get a plate, try their 45 degree dance plates. The plate you got is sucks for jam and dance, according to roll line, but are good for derby, and OK for freestyle. Also since you don't use toe stops, there's plates with the entire stop mount removed. 7mm all the way, as you can use their replica fafnir bearings that David Ripp (Snyder family) says are the best in the market.
Do you know anyone that has the Arius Platinum plates? I just recently got a set and I think they are AWESOME! I really want to get some input from some other skaters. I mostly rhythm skate..but I know rhythm and jam share a lot of similarities... so I'm sure I can really appreciate your thoughts.
From my experience, bearings barely make a big difference as long as there are not a munch of dings in the outer and inner rings and that they are nicely lubricated. I skate outdoors + on the street.
Tbh, I don’t know. I wanted to learn how the guy mounts skates because a lot of people go to him. This is the first and only pair of quads I’ve ever mounted myself. His stipulation for sharing his method with me was to not go sharing the method in its entirety. I gave my word and I kept it. You would have to talk to the person I learned it from to know more. And honestly, it’s not like it matters. It was just an entertainment video. Being that this is the only time I’ve ever mounted a pair of quads, I’m not interested in trying to play expert and teach the internet how to do something I’m not an expert at.
Sworn to secrecy about some information that would help people mount their skates…. Right, what sort of elitist crap is that. People without ego want to pass on their knowledge and help people.
Well.. like I've said in other comments.. it's not like it matters. I'm not going to teach people how to mount skates because I don't have the experience to do it. Plain and simple. If you want to know how I did it, I told you who taught me. You can look them up.
Hello all.
While I appreciate that so many are interested in my video, I cannot help you with mounting your own skates. This video show cases the one time I have ever mounted skates. At this point it is years old and I do not remember the math of my measurements, size of the bolts used, etc.
In all honesty, I only remounted these boots because Riedell did a horrible job of mounting them in the first place and that was just one item in a list of issues I had with them over these skates. Their factory mount was not on the correct line, with the front trucks too far back behind the ball of the foot, and they also mangled the sole of the boot by drilling at an incorrect angle. I attempted to remount this and it turned out just okay. I don’t use these skates anymore and I count the whole situation as a loss that has caused me to no longer buy any products from Riedell or any company they own.
Given all that, please do not email me asking details for your own mounts. I cannot help you. Again, this video was for entertainment purposes only. It is not a tutorial on how to mount skates.
I have been contacted by a few people over sizing and how I came to find the correct size for myself. So I have added the resources I used to size my boots and plates together in the description. There is a chart for sizing of each, and another chart showing the matching sizes of Riedell boots to Roll-Line plates. I did what's referred to as a "sport" mount in this video. My Solaris is a men's size 8.5 and I mounted a 165 size Roll-Line plate to it. Hope that helps anyone looking to get the same or a similar setup!
I just happened to find this video. I have been having the same issue with not adjusting or improving in agility no matter how much I practice. It took some research but I realized it's the traditional/standard mount that is my problem. Until now, I never knew that skates had so much mechanical details that we could customize to fit our individual needs. Thank you for sharing this, David.😁
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Well done on the mounting man, absolutely top quality work. Also the link describing the differences between 6k and 7k ALU was really interesting.
You really do make quad skating look easy with those slick dance moves.
Thanks man! Yeah I wanted to know the diff before buying so I had to dig pretty deep. There was not a lot of information about these plates that was easily found.
With the Roll Line brand, you get what you pay for! I never thought that tools would be included with roller skate plates! I'm thinking about buying Edea Showgirl boots mounted on Roll Line Variant M or Roll Line Mistral plates the next time I buy new roller skates!💕
You'll find the variant a heavy plate, go for the mistral
I just spent 4 hours at the quad father's house re mounting my plates. Funny you mentioned him. I am thinking of getting the ring plate with nts.
Ring is an Amazing Frame... they look like two mini Space Stations on my feet ... very quick and snappy very sharp & deep turning radius ... these Frames are EXTREMELY EXTREMELY Responsive ... Awesome ...!!! You’ll Love ‘em you won’t regret getting a pair ... Also no Toe Stop threads ...
Really cool video! I'm so glad you were able to rework those purple skates 'cause I love the color.
this makes sense for wider foot people i can see where it would help a ton,Thank you for video and your time.
Great video. So what WB did you end up at? One of the fun things I learned when I was doing what you just did was that I did not want to mount my own skates but found someone like kev who is legend at mounting. He challenged me to increase my KP angle or keep it the same but to lower my wheel base. I went down 1/2 in and ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! We also kicked it forward and looks very similar to yours. If you look at foreign of USA builds, ALOT have short forwards. I plan to go down another 1/4 in possibly on my next build. Im setting currently at a 20 deg KP from a 16. a 7in WB down from 7.5 on a 10.5 or 45eu size Boot. I think were setting pretty similar.
Interestingly, I have skated a 158mm wheelbase for the last 5 or 6 years. I didn’t know much about mounts when I got those skates. The Reactor Pro plates I took off my Solaris was 168mm. I went to 165mm with the Killer and shifted the plate forward. It’s perfect 👌.
Bro I swear your dance moves are the sickest things I have seen done on quads & those frames for your guads are sooooo nice looking
👊 🐺
Roll Line are the bomb!!! Love mine!!!!! Try 7mm next time;). It's an improvement as well!!
I’ve had the black killer plate for 3 years. Love it.
I'm still a relatively new skater and a rookie derby player as well and I noticed that my rink skates weren't giving me what my derby skates do. Lo and behold.. my derby skates have a shorter mount. I'm seriously considering upgrading my derby skates to Solaris boots + a 20 deg plate. (I took a gander at a 45 deg plate but I'm not trying to kill myself HAHA)
Great video and a really clean build. What fittings did you use to mount the skates?
I have two questions... I bought powerdyne reactor pros and I was wondering how stiff is it when you skate because of the 10 degree angle. All I do is skate backwards and forwards but most of the time I’m going fast. Do you think that it’ll be a noticeable difference from my old nylon 15 degree angle?
Second question is, how much do you normally get charged when you go to a skate shop and ask them to mount a plate. I asked one locally and they said $40 overnight and $65 same day. Does that seem right?
I'm having trouble finding mounting hardware, what size/thread bolts did you use?
@ 4:25 I don't use metal axle washer nuts, as they are tooo performance decreasing and too heavy, but if you do I'm sure they'll work great for you. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Love your videos. Your videos convinced me to buy the Solaris. I'm going to do a custom order and I was wondering how the suede is holding up for you? Is the suede wearing down faster? I just received an order of Wicked Scott wheels and can't wait to try them out.
The suede is holding up just as well as normal leather.
Did you bake your boot?? If so, what temp how long did you do them??
I used to skate professionaly thru my teen to early 20s. I had the riddell tux flap boots with Snyder Advantage plates, Hyper Cannibal wheels. Im thinkin of getting back into it and build a pair of skates. Looking at The Powerdyne Arius platinum, Roll lines, and Lambada Prolines (probably because they where the holy grail back in the day right after they discontinued them). Have you skated on Advantage be4 or Arius? if so can you compare them to the roll line killer?
Been looking at this plate for derby, what is your opinion on these plates now that you have used more? Big spend so trying to be as accurate as I can with ordering. I skate on the Antik ar2 boot. Wish you could go into more depth on the mounting process for us!!! Love your tutorials, you are amazing at explaining and I really appreciate you!!😊
Short version is, best plates I've owned so far. I may do a review at some point. I don't go into too much detail about the mounting because I don't have a lot of experience with it. I've had a lot of people email me asking for advice that I'm not comfortable giving because of this video, actually. So I typically turn that sort of request away.
It may be me but I am not seeing a link for the hardware used. I am about to mount to a new pair of 951’s and am interested to try the t-bolts. I think I saw the same hardware on the quad fathers insta page.
Great video bro ... well done ... what wheels are you using and how do the killers compare to the Giotto
Using Atom Poison wheels in this vid. This is the only Roll Line plate I’ve had so I can’t compare it to the others.
Thank you for likin my comment. I wanted to ask about runnin 95a on the street? I ordered some evolve 62 95a from the " SkateMall" in Lewisville Tx. Not expensive wheels. I think their evolve evolution? I like em and they still have treads. I put em on my cheap skates( Bullets). Also i guess I need to make a video ive been on these bullets 19 weeks now and the toe liner in the right boots last night is waddin up over my toes and cuttin across. I pulled and tried to glue it back but beware those. I think if your child needed their own for the rink man these are good. By no way as good as the sure grips I had in the late 70's but im back skatin. Now when I skate the dogs these 62mm wheels ive noticed are less revolutions an wee bit faster. The bullets came with 58's. And i wore the little tread lines off already and rotated once. Ive got em numbered for rotation when I use em again.
I rolled 57mm 96a's on the street to get to the park. When I started out, they were un-usable. Now, I can roll them just fine. I roll 62mm 90a's now and it's much faster. I barely feel the difference in the bumpiness and I recently put jelly insoles in my boots.
Is the killer plate good for speed skating?
Cool man! I just got in some neo plates and waitin on SG xl's to come in
Im boot searchin next
I’m moving back to prolines from laser had proline before. My question is they recommended a 750 plate for my size 10 but I have heard slightly smaller plates for jam skating are better. Is this true?
The term “ sport “ mount being the same as a short forward ? I’m having this same issue with the bonts I ordered. The rear of the plate sticks well past the heel of me foot and the front is behind the ball of the foot. I went and got fitted for a set of riedells just incase the shop can’t seem to correct bonts mounting process.
What brand is your normal Jam Skates?
looking to mounting my own boots what kind of advice can you offer on mounting them correctly?
Funny thing I actually just realigned my Reign Kronos yesterday as well as heat molded them over the weekend just seemed like a good time to try it and man they feel amazing the frame is just where I like it now (before it was to far back so trying to get on just my front wheels was a little rough) no more pressure points & the control is insane! Hey David I was wondering because your one of the few youtubers I feel I trust what would you recommend as a cheaper like around $60- or so just for fun quad skate? I kinda want to try it out because of you tbh, & I know as much as I can about inline but I have no clue whatsoever when it comes to quad...
Bro, I’m so glad to hear you wanna try out quads. I’ve gotta be honest though, I can’t think of a quad skate for $60 that is going to be any good. The Riedell R3 is a nice beginner package. It’s what they call a “fresh meat” skate in roller derby. You can get one of those complete for about $130. That’s the main one I can think of off the top of my head. Jump in the Facebook group “Skate Addiction” and ask. You’ll get a ton of good suggestions!
@@DeezSkates Ty big time I guess I am kinda fresh meat lol. I'm not sure how much different their center of balance will be! but I'll keep you updated if I find some used or something & decide to pick em up!
Do you know what size screws that you used? My mounting kit apparently is sold separately
Hello, is it very difficult to learn inline skating by yourself? Does it take a long time to learn? What inline skates do you recommend? As a beginner I do not want to invest a large sum of money in the skates, perhaps I had thought about some rollerblade brand, any recommendation in this regard? I hope you can help me, thanks.
So recently I bought a riedell 951 boot with a roll line mistral plate. I originally was skating on vnla mint jr skates. My new set up feels totally different from the vnla set up. I’ve found myself already used to the boot, but I’m having trouble getting used to the plate. The front wheels are closer to the ball of my foot unlike vnla skates which wheels are closer to the toes. It gives a totally different feel and I find myself having less toe plug space to work with on my new set up than the vnla’s. Any tips or comments on this? Anybody ever experience what I’m talking about?
Hi Deez, I couldn't help noticing that the plates are mounted with a lot of "toe-out".
I know Riedell and Edea/Roll Line factory mounts have the centre of the plate aligned to the seam in the toe, and your mount looks about 8mm from there. A large toe out would help with skating sideways, but places pressure on the inside of the boot which could make the skate want to turn in. How did you arrive at this amount of toe-out, and is there any downside to it? Toe-out is more of a mystery than plate fore-aft placement.
In short, to center the mount you measure where the centers of the ball and heel of the foot are (at the widest points) and create a straight line. When you see a mount that is perfectly centered with the seam, it's more than likely not correct. However, it depends on the boot. The Solaris here has an anatomical fit in the ball so it makes the boot appear wide, exaggerating how "off center" it looks at the toe. To see what I mean, pause at 6:44 and you can see that if you set the tip of the plate directly toward the center of the toe, the back portion of the plate would be sticking way off to the side.
Also, I will note that it's pretty well known among most lifelong quad skaters that companies which make skates are notoriously not as good at mounting them as a skilled shop technician. I'm not sure why that is, but the mount this Solaris came with was god awful.
Did you countersink the tnut?
What is exactly is the difference in a kingpins angle? Why is the purpose for there to be different angles.
Which degree is most stable. I got the neos 10° i was fond of speed skatin 42 years ago so thats what I ordered but Im a lone skater and dont really know but I ordered 13 plate size and i use a 12 boot cause im 11.5 shoe s8ze.
Hadley,
The rule here is, the lesser the number, the more stable. The greater the number, the more agile and responsive. The best way to know if you have the correct setup is to know the measurements of the boot and plate lengths, since all companies size different. 😉
@@DeezSkates ok so I achieved what I wanted im fond of speed skatin but im old but i wheelie manuver alot so thats where my agility is. The problem I was havin is when I lean forward and kick, the other support leg tries to slip out to the rear and when i stand and relax slips out to the front. I get that fall scare and it breaks the focus. Im thinkin its the cheap skates tho. The axels are 8" distance. The plates I ordered are 8.5" size 13 plates but im 11.5 shoe and 12 skateboot. And im gonna put 12 boots on the 13 plates has anyone else done this you know of? And whats with mens rollerderby? I mean theres two girl teams here in shreveport bossier. Am i gonna have to join the girls team ? I dont know a whole lot but I can be coached and it seems awesome to play man.
Hello could you please tell me the cushion diameter on these plates? They seem larger than normal?
Yea Roll Line are best!! Only thing is you really missed out on is not getting the 7mm bearings. Great vids!!!
Dobemandan
I have a closet with more than a dozen skates all with 8mm bearings. Cross compatibility is more important imo. And there isn’t really any performance reason to go with 7mm over 8mm axles. 🤷♂️
@@DeezSkates I hear you... Same here. I took the plunge and was surprised! The 7mm have better tolerances it's noticable.
You could always buy new hangers/axles if curiosity ever got the best of you.👊🏻
On rewatching this after our chats on FB: the open-ended spanners aren't for their mounting hardware (here in Europe the plates don't even come with that because art boots usually do, and they mostly make plates for those), two of them are to adjust your pivot pins. (No idea why you got three 😁.)
Yeah. They didn’t send me any mounting hardware at all. Even though the ship listed that it came with the plates. I I want gonna use it, so whatever.
@@DeezSkates my point was that you need those spanners to adjust your pivot pins.
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Oh yeah. I used them, but I still think one is for the mount hardware because I couldn’t find a use for all of them.
@@DeezSkates then all is good 😁
Purple and Gold? have you been playing some Saints Row or something? haha, just messing.
yeah, ive read so many different ways about mounting plates. in the end i ended up kinda using a bit of a few methods put together to figure mine out. and i love the result. right now im wearing Ridell Darts on Avanti plates.
but ive beaten my Darts up real bad over the last few months of skating outside, and im looking into some Jam Skate boots. my only problem is that im a size 14. with most skates stopping at size 12 or 13, my options are very limited. :(
ill probably end up making another Frankenstein pair exclusively for indoors once i find the right Boot and Plates.
Shawn, I’m fairly certain that if you contact Riedell they will make any boot in their inventory in a larger size for you. You’ll just have to wait a month or so for it, but it would be worth it.
@@DeezSkates I didnt know that! I'll have to contact them, thank you! :)
If it turns out for some reason they won’t, there is always the full custom option, where they take a drawing of your foot and make that exact shape, rather than a specific size. It costs more, but you can get full custom colors and pick your leather, put a custom design on them, and even pick features from multiple models and blend them to your liking. It’s pretty cool.
Would you discuss the angles on the plate? I would like to build a skate eventually and don't want to regret a piece.
Sure! To find the proper center, I used calipers for measure the heel, and the widest part of the ball. I marked the center of each and then used a ruler to draw a straight line from one to the other. The center of the plate nose basically ends up pointing toward the space between the second and third toe (assuming the big toe is the first).
@@DeezSkates Sorry, I don't know the terms that well. I was referring to the angles of the wheels (I think). You said something about the front angles for manuverability and back angles for stability.
Ahhh. I see what you mean. I believe you want the kingpin angle, which is the bolt that the trucks fix onto.
The rule is, if it’s a lesser angle (for example, my previous plate was 10 degrees) it is more stable. If a greater angle (Killer plate has 18 degree front and 16 degree back) it is more agile and responsive, but less stable.
@@DeezSkates What does it mean to be _more agile/responsive?_ Is there a disadvantage for jumping/durability?
Less about jumping and such. More about turning and the ability to manipulate more complex dance movements, and hold an edge. Think about it like this. If the angle is less, then your heel and ball are standing directly over the kingpins, which is basically pointed directly toward the floor. In this case it is more difficult to flex the wheels inward and outward, which is what has to happen when you want to turn. If you angle the kingpins more, you can spread the pressure angle across the cushions that hold the trucks in place and it will allow you to turn much more easily. Also, as you lessen the wheelbase, you will tighten the potential turning radius in combination with making the KP angle greater. In the case of my original plate, I had a slight 10 degree angle with a very long wheelbase, which made it difficult to use my agility, as the heel and toes had to work much harder to manipulate the action. Combine that with the fact that the mount was too far back and I had a disaster of a skate.
The fix I applied here was to lessen the wheelbase, make the angle of the KP slightly greater, and mount it forward for more control directly over the plate.
Of course, any time you add agility you sacrifice stability and vice versa.
I know that’s a lot. Haha. Does that make a little more sense?
Just realised I commented before from my other account.
Great video.
Thanks, Curly. 😉
can you graciously provide the quad fathers instruction on how to mount the plates to boots?
Nope. Sorry. This is my first mounting I ever did and I am not skilled enough to be making tutorials on this subject. I recommend talking to an expert.
Impressive. You should create a business! 🌟
I really like the wheels, what are those?
Poison Savant by Atom.
Do you plan on selling your neo plates?
Was hoping to learn how to align my plates from this but it was kept secret 😕
Yeah man, I do not have enough skill in that to be teaching it anyway.
@@DeezSkates that's fair enough. I'm just worried I'm going to mess it up.
Where can I get this specific boot from Riedell only has the black one available.
You have to order it custom through Riedell
@@DeezSkates Thank you! Much appreciated. Just found the ColorLab form on Riedells site.
What wheels are those? And what dimensions?
Lawd this is above my pay grade right now
Where can I get roll lines?
I just ordered a Roll Line Dance plate from deptofskate.com
I don't know how anybody can skate on a standard mount. I could never go back to that.
I hear that. I had skated a sport mount all my life and didn’t know it... I let Riedell build one set for me on a standard mount and was like “what is this mess??” Lol
I just bought a pair of roller skates they are supposed to arrive tomorrow
Myles Johnson
Oooooo! What did you order?!
Deez Skates Chaya classicDance skates They were I think 180 bucks so it wasn’t too much if I need to upgrade later I won’t feel bad
I was wondering about what you said about no toe stops do you have a breaking tutorial on the quads
I don’t have a breaking tutorial. I haven’t really covered any b-boy/b-girl moves. Most of it is just footwork. Maybe I’ll do some this summer.
Deez Skates I’ll let you know when I get down all the moves I’m used to going downhills in my inlines I assume you don’t really do much but skate on flat stuff right?
The roller skate's good and huge plates kingpin price ....
Nice job on the video mate. Better get my arse into gear and finish my Mounting Videos.
This is my other account...😜
you didn't tell us how you line up your plate or the adjustment on the toe to heel position to gain your balanced happy zone, this is the most important part of the video,
That is because this is not a tutorial. This was the first pair I ever mounted and therefore I had no intention to teach anyone how to do it.
Sick looking quads...
✌👌👊🤘🖖🖤
You don't have to pay a shop again, but if you knew what you wanted from get go (an offset sports mount) they can do it. And a good shop has decades experience too and give warranties, so no pressure if they mess it up. Also a professional shop will plug and fill old holes. They also Sand and use wedges to fill the gap under the toes between skating boot and flat frame. I've yet to see anyone not a shop do this. There's plenty other techniques passed down over the past 5 decades from people who worked for sure grip, Riedell, and others.
Yeah. It’s a damn shame the companies themselves don’t still seem to be implementing good practices anymore. That’s why I trust so few shops. I’ve had bad mounts from a few places, but the absolute worst ones come from the companies that make the skates… mega irony.
@@DeezSkates yes I think skate companies just mount to sell boots. And maybe try to get the best general mount. The worse is companies that won't sell boots unmounted. I think that's the future. Just buying boots and plates, relying on masters to mount
Next time you get a plate, try their 45 degree dance plates. The plate you got is sucks for jam and dance, according to roll line, but are good for derby, and OK for freestyle. Also since you don't use toe stops, there's plates with the entire stop mount removed. 7mm all the way, as you can use their replica fafnir bearings that David Ripp (Snyder family) says are the best in the market.
Do you know anyone that has the Arius Platinum plates? I just recently got a set and I think they are AWESOME! I really want to get some input from some other skaters. I mostly rhythm skate..but I know rhythm and jam share a lot of similarities... so I'm sure I can really appreciate your thoughts.
Standard mount vs sport mount.... I don't understand. Can you please explain or point me in the right direction? Thank you
Dá uma moral no nosso canal lá V8 IN LINE tamo junto
Anyone knows what bearings he uses in these skates
From my experience, bearings barely make a big difference as long as there are not a munch of dings in the outer and inner rings and that they are nicely lubricated. I skate outdoors + on the street.
Sworn to secrecy? What exactly is the point in gate keeping knowledge of mounting skates, exactly? How strange.
Tbh, I don’t know. I wanted to learn how the guy mounts skates because a lot of people go to him. This is the first and only pair of quads I’ve ever mounted myself. His stipulation for sharing his method with me was to not go sharing the method in its entirety. I gave my word and I kept it. You would have to talk to the person I learned it from to know more. And honestly, it’s not like it matters. It was just an entertainment video. Being that this is the only time I’ve ever mounted a pair of quads, I’m not interested in trying to play expert and teach the internet how to do something I’m not an expert at.
Sworn to secrecy about some information that would help people mount their skates…. Right, what sort of elitist crap is that. People without ego want to pass on their knowledge and help people.
Well.. like I've said in other comments.. it's not like it matters. I'm not going to teach people how to mount skates because I don't have the experience to do it. Plain and simple. If you want to know how I did it, I told you who taught me. You can look them up.
"I learned how to do the best plate mount, but you cannot learn this knowledge". It's a secret. 🙄
Oh.. I didn’t know this was a tutorial. My bad. 😂