Why defenders are taking goal kicks
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Manchester United made a subtle difference to their approach during their recent 3-2 loss to Arsenal in the Premier League. The game seen Lisandro Martinez taking goal kicks back to David De Gea, to have him begin the phase of play.
There has been a quiet rise of defenders taking goal kicks this season, but what is the benefit of this and how does it have an affect on the game state? Jon Mackenzie is here to discuss this approach and his favourite subject - pressing!
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Good to know my inability to take goal kicks when I was 10 was actually a strategic masterpiece ahead of its time..
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I was about to say the same lol.
same
Yep. You’re manager just didn’t understand your strengths
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It's really quite fascinating that there is this much to learn from such a small 5 yard pass - Football really has many layers!
Absolute lasagna tactics
“Load of tosh, toe-poke that ball into other net & break a leg whilst ya at it”. Simple.
@@d.b.cooper1Sean dyche tactics
I noticed this in their first leg league Cup semi final against Forest. The ball being at the keeper's feet in the box, rather than at a defender's feet in the box, seemed to put Forest off from pressing. Weird
yeah, it is kind of crazy. I think it's because usually when you're pressing, instinctively you're trying to get the defenders to pass it back to the keeper so he can either make a mistake or kick it long. But when the ball is already at the keeper's feet you just have to mark the defenders and everytime you're trying to press the keeer you're leaving a defender or midfielder open to receive the pass. Or you have to push every single player up the pitch, which is a huge risk.
@@felixbache5369 such a simple thing to do, yet it appears to be fairly effective and helpful if you're trying to play from the back
This ironically goes along with Tifo’s De Gea vid about his weaknesses and why the modern keeper needs to be great on their feet to help build up from the back. When the keeper is involved, you get the extra 11th player vs the other teams’ 10 outfield players to fight against any defensive press.
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I used to take goal kicks as a fullback on my school team. But that was because the goalie couldn't kick far enough 😂 We weren't a great team. It was fun though.
Exact same situation for me🤣, keeper would usually take the first of the game then manager would tell me to take the rest haha, he was actually a fantastic shot stopper but could throw it farther than he could kick it🤣
this analysis make u not just watch the game for the sake of it by watch a puzzle being solved in satisfying but yet methodical whist the process being intriguing and enigmatic especially when both sides are tactical and intelligent
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This same strategy was used in the Brentford game that United lost 4-0. Since then, Ten Hag abandoned it for a bit. Appears he's bringing it back.
Arsenal also often take goal kicks this way, but they kick it long quite often too. So the tactic seems to work, but it depends on your players, the opposition, and the game state.
Back then, some players are not built for this play style. Ten Hag had to change to long ball since players like De Gea and Eriksen are not comfortable at first phase of build up. They improve now but still lack a lot especially against the teams that press really high like Arsenal. You can see with how Arsenal scored their first after winning the ball from AWB since he is so bad at building up but it can be argued that it was De gea's bad pass decision putting him in danger in the first place. Also, Dalot may not be good as him in defending 1vs1 but his technical ability and passing is so important if we want to play out from the back.
In the Brentford vs United game, there were a few small details that I remember being contrary to the images shown here. Brentford had two strikers who sat in between cb and full back and a third midfielder who pushed up on Eriksen in the midfield pivot role. Arsenal play a 4231/4141 so the striker stays central in the first stage rather than the two forwards Brentford had inbetween Centre and Full back. Also, Brentford play a back 3 so that long ball option was well covered and United did not have the aerial threat to use that outlet against Brentford, as they did against Arsenal in Weghorst. Finally, United were trying to play it centrally before a switch to the full back/another midfielder against Brentford, here against Arsenal they play it to the full back before playing a direct through pass down the wing (an area where it takes longer for any potential turnover in possession and counter to take place).
Somebody I'd said this already but tifo always makes videos of stuff I never think about but I'm glad I know now.
Can we get a tactical Overview of Anthony Martials role under ten Hag? A lot of people think he is lazy because they dont see his runs without the ball
Only bad thing of him is that he is made up of glass!!😬
@@dancingcar8974 and his passing
and his touch
@@silasbirdsell1490 there is absolutely nothing wrong with Martials first touch
@@silasbirdsell1490 His first touch is generally quite good. He's got good vision and decent hold-up play, decent link-up play.
He's just an inconsistent player who *appears* to have a poor work-ethic and perennial injury woes.
Eeeexcellent video Jon, I really enjoyed a tiny detail being expanded like this. I normally struggle to engage myself in tactics videos, but this one I was engaged with from the beginning :)
never thought about it this way it infuriated me so much when they united kept doing that as in the game vs brentford and arsenal it backfired but now it really seems more so an issue with the players rather than the setup if the press works for the oppposition
Tbf for the Arsenal away game United were missing Dalot, Casemiro and Martial all of which seem to get the system.
Was just unfortunate timing for playing the best team in the league atm.
Game was always going to be close, fine margins & Arsenal were even better than I was expecting.
Still nearly came away with something & played well all the same. After the City result I thought a win was possible and for 60min I thought it was, but Arsenal were relentless towards the end, and we struggled to get into their box.
I think fatigue affected United a bit more, but again fine margins.
Looking forward to the next time United play them. They're a hell of a challenge
Can’t see Arsenal being as good next season. Leicester 2016 flash in the pan vibes. No way Kroenke spends the £500m plus they need to be a consistent contender.
@@anonymousjohn6491 Were Arsenal just promoted 2 seasons ago?
Did they just barely stay up last season?
Do they have a Championship squad?
Arsenal bottomed out at 8th, and even then they had won the FA Cup and the Community Shield. It's ludicrous to compare them to Leicester.
What team has spent 500 m? You didn't give an interval, do you mean in a year?
Even for Chelsea and Man City who don't care about financial losses it had taken a decade to spend that much money.
@@anonymousjohn6491 need to remember leicester lost a few players season after.
@@anonymousjohn6491 Arsenal has the youngest team in the league, they will only get better.
The old school answer to this question used to be " because the keeper can't kick it far enough"
Really excellent explanation of a small detail in the game. I think this really brings us closer to the level of analysis which is being used by professionals within the game
finally a manager under which people like Tifo make tactical videos about MUFC. so glad to have ETH at the wheel
Would love a video on why any top teams have been monitoring Gordon. Is this just a home grown thing or do the stats add up to much
Yeah coz the Newcastle and Chelsea 60M links were wild...
Having watched him play, he isn't worth half that... Maybe it's one of those things where the underlying stats show he's on the verge of being great. Eye test is a no though
His only highlights are his frosted tips
If you watched the first few of games of Everton's season, he played really well, and scored a couple of really good goals against Brentford and Leeds. This was just before the end of the summer transfer window when Chelsea bid for him. I think a lot of clubs are banking on the fact that he lost motivation when a deal to top club didn't go through. His wages are only around 13 k p.w (and this is *after* he signed a new deal with Everton after that window), so that could have contributed to his loss in form.
I don't personally think he's worth that kind of money, and seems to have had some attitude issues as well.
I really love your analysis everytime so spot on
Great video! I’ve noticed Arsenal passing straight back to the Ramsdale from kick off a lot and I think it’s for a similar reason of the unpredictable ability to go to either side.
I read earlier in the season that it's also to trigger the opposition's press right up to Ramsdale who promptly does a little lob over the pressing attackers. Seemed to work quite well against Liverpool at the Emirates.
Great explanation, I liked it a lot
I have to say it, these videos are the most incredible and knowledgable football content I've ever seen, thanks so much guys. I love it
Amazing, that was a masterclass on the subject. Great work!
great breakdown!
What I really appreciate about TIFO/The Athletic is how they always explain quite niche concepts or statistics in inclusive ways
Big fan of this video. Explained so well. 10 out of 10 👍
Once again an eyeopening video
This is great content.
Thnx a lot ❤
Brilliant insight 👏
Top notch from tifo. The best
I noticed this today on the Arsenal v city game. Makes so much sense now
Great explanation! However - what's to stop the keeper passing to Martinez, therefore initiating Arsenal's press on that side, who passes it straight back to De Gea so he can then flip it immediately to the other side?
Learnt more from this than most other commentators who just babble on about random tactics they just make up!
Good explanation. Although the entire point could've been conveyed in 3-4 min max
Loving that tee shirt
Thank you.
excellent video
I've always wondered this but just assumed the defender had a better goal kick than the keeper & didn't notice going short
I remember watching a video when Pep Guardiola was at Bayern the executives prevented him from playing Neur in midfield, so do you think that might be a tactical evolution for gk to feel comfortable playing in midfield when out of possession?
Nah, the risk of leaving the net open will always outweigh any advantage that a GK in the outfield will give. Even with a completely capable ball-playing GK, when the opposition can score from a single midfield turnover, it's just not worth it. I think that GKs will continue to tactically trend towards the sweeper-keeper format, but it's just about reached its limit, they won't take it much farther
amazing!
Brilliant, the boys I coach are going to be doing this next season.
As a norwegian, I've never heard a brit with a better pronounciation of Ødegaard than you. Well done
To built up plat like that the GK must be as comfortable on the ball as the out field players.
Where is the jersey art from??
In such situations I just love Carvajal , he'll show how much Spanish he is in the build up
Hey Jon
Man the benefits of this are so obvious once pointed out! Fascinating
I saw this in the game, and both times just ends up with De Gea hitting a long ball anyway, so what is the point in passing short? When it’s just going long anyway. I could understand Vs a lesser quality pressing team, but was arsenal, top of league for a reason. I wonder what brighton do against top team.
ETH explained this philosophy earlier in the year. Sometimes you want to induce the press so that you have a numbers superiority further up the field. Basically if the opponent presses you really aggressively play a long ball forward where you have the numbers. If they don't press aggressively enough try to play through the press.
@@angeerkihun this makes perfect sense. Disappointed that Tifo missed this 🤦🏻♂️
In the first scenario, DDG to Martinez to Shaw, brings the press to the left with an overload. Can't a ball over the top, switching the play to Dalot side relieve the pressure?
Smart analysis I wonder who is doing it like Tifo
From reading the title, I thought it was because ten Hag was on his driver to work and saw a bunch of year 6'ers playing a game of footie and saw the classic strat of having a boy who can HOOF the ball as far up the pitch as possible on goal kicks.
i thought only goalies with a weak distribution in goal kicks let defenders took goal kicks, which why i did goal kicks since my goalie didnt have range.
That can still be true, but I suppose in your case you'd be sending a long ball - the stuff in the video is only different because the team is looking to build out from the back
Also they changed the rules fairly recently to allow short goal kicks within the penalty box. This pass would not have been allowed before the rule change.
It’s crazy how a seemingly small change in football tactics can radically change the way an opposing team has to play. Wild!
I used to have to get a CB to take goalkicks while having knee issues. Always assumed this would be the cause in most cases.
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So after the ball is passed back to De Gea aren't they back in the same situation as Dea Gea taking the goal kick? 🤔
But de Gea has to stay in the middle to protect the goal if something goes wrong. So the defender passes him the ball and the opposition doesn't know if de Gea will go left or right.
@@crispykneecaps7209 When De Gea first takes the goal kick he can pass the ball right or left. Isn't the situation same when he receives the pass from Martinez?
@@abythomasmathew902 but when the defender plays the ball the opponents will enter the penalty area and deGea can choose to go left, right, short or long based on how the opponents press.
@@abythomasmathew902 this becomes an issue when you have both center backs start around the 6 yard box. When the goal kick is taken, it then becomes easier for one or two forwards to press all three players at once, since forwards will enter the penalty box for the press
Love it
ETH is so smart. A tactical video on united ole. Didn’t even know what tactics is.
Johnny Mack is a clever T-shirt kinda guy.
All of two seconds more. As the keeper makes the pass one way or the other we’re back to exactly the same scenario. That’s not how you beat a high press. Which is why it didn’t work.
The comment I agree with. Tifo makes great insightful videos but this is not of them.
Here I was thinking it was because Ten Hag thought De Gea isn't good at taking long kicks
Bro this isnt new the top defender goal scorer was ronald koeman which has one of the best free kicks he’s mile away from second place of the the most defender goal scorer which is Sergio rams
Wow great explanation. I thought it looked funny, They're doing this a lot, but I knew there had to be a reason because its intentional.
De gea kicking it first time or kicking it after a pass from Martinez seems like the same thing to me. Both times Arsenal players will be in same starting position. Both times Arsenal players can initiate the one sided press once de gea chooses a side to pass to. I find it difficult to understand Tifo's analysis here.
I think it's because once the goal kick is taken the opponents are allowed to enter the penalty area. The opponents have to make a decision of how to press when the ball is at de Gea's feet and he can decide to pass left, right, short or long based on exactly how the opponents press.
@@crispykneecaps7209 Makes perfect sense, thanks. I had the same thought as the original commenter.
@Crispy Kneecaps that’s a good point 👍
Very interesting 🤔
Ten hag is so damn smart love it man
Arsenal have been doing this for over a season.
Someone send Gary Neville this. Further proof ex-pros shouldn't be given a free path to TV punditry.
Spot on. There should always be at least one person with the highest possible coaching qualifications in the studio to provide actual analysis. Instead, what do we get - Micah, cos he's a good laugh. Jamie Redknapp, cos he's got a telegenic face. Sky/BT/BBC/Amazon, please do something new!
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You forget that DeGea could also play a long ball and it be more unexpected allowing united to be in a better position to win the 2nd ball
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Small details like this....Ten hag is a technician
Love the subliminal T-shirt ❤
Graham Potter... please take note.
Ohh he’s actually good. He’s just not as slow and careful about retaining the audience on transitions as Alex was. Good job
Could arsenal just hold in their pressing formation and just trigger once the ball leaves the keeper’s feet? Cause all Man U did was add one extra pass to trigger the press.
What if Arsenal just didn’t react?
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I was asking myself that the other day when I was at the arsenal game vs man u, was standing behind the goal and i kept asking myself that…
While De Gea sucks at distribution, let's not forget that he also barely has any presence in the box, not claiming enough crosses and corners, at best just flapping or punching them away. All these reasons point to him potentially being demoted to a number 2 GK next season if Ten Hag actually gets financially backed by the board to sign a top-class modern sweeper GK.
De Gea's distribution is definitely not good enough despite the improvement he has made for United to play out from the back. Same goes to AWB with his technical ability too. Modern football is no longer for a player to be one-dimensional anymore.
Will also need an elite ball carrier CM too since Eriksen is not good enough for the first phase of the build up. Should be a rotational especially starting against the lower team since we can easily skip to the second phase of build up where he is the best at it. Werghost though has been so good so far from what I see. I would like United to sign him permanently as a back up if possible.
Why wouldn't arsenal just treat that first pass from Martinez like it didn't happen? Once de gea has the ball it's basically the same starting position as a regular goal kick, the only difference being there's been 1 pass already
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Just hoof it forward like the good old days, geez!
Gary Neville was baffled by this in the Sky commentary box. What is the point of pundits if they can't explain what's happening everywhere on the pitch at all times? I often watch on mute and provide my own analysis.
Are we gonna have a Arsenal v city video?
Such a shame people cant reproduce seconds of the game in video...
I want that yeet t shirt . No I need it
I took the goal-kicks as a CB in our school football tournament LMAO guess I'm destined to be a great coach
Cant believe that its Man utd is being talked about as tactic innovators....what incredible times
It is pretty shocking but we have a great manager now.
I’m pretty sure it’s,
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I thought De Gea was going to retain possesion until the end of the match because of arsenal uncertainties.
Barcelona have been doing this for a year or so already.
They play in a farmers league though
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Why don’t they simply kick the ball long like in the good old days?
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We've been doing this since I was 9 but that's because the keeper couldn't kick that far lol
I remember a defender would take goal kicks for Newcastle cos pavel srnicek was terrible at them. Good keeper tho.
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It's much closer to the correct pronunciation than most English people
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