I wish I could pin multiple comments but in the full version you can see on Instagram or TikTok, I explain the undervolt was a temporary solution to keep the CPU stable until the 360mm AIO arrives.
Haha- I absolutely knew you were going to take heat (no pun intended) for that ‘fix’ 😂😂 Good to hear it was a temporary solution until a permanent fix was implemented. Keep up with the videos my man, from one tech to another they are entertaining 👌😂
If you put the video on the platforms with the scrolling people instead of the ones that actually select their content and hold grudges, and now everything better, thats entirely on you. :D But yea, expected that this was temporary. Just looked for the comment to confirm. :D
The 4090 clearly doesn't need watercooling with that humongous cooler but they could have at least but either a beefier 420mm AIO or a D15(if sold pre built it makes more sense as it is zero maintenance) or just used an amd cpu
Alright people. $6,000, let's do the math. ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero - $550 SABRENT 8TB Rocket 4 Plus - $1300 CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 128GB - $430 ASUS ROG 4090 - $2000 2x 14TB Seagate Ironwolf - $480 Intel Core i9-13900KF - $550 Phanteks Case - $200? Corsair RM1200x PSU - $230 Corsair 240mm H100i = $120 TOTAL = $5860 w/o tax, not including Capture Card = ???? Fans + cords = ???? Bizon's labor = ???? So yes. $6k. Did Bizon do a shitty job by giving him a 240mm AIO on this CPU? Yes. Is my customer at fault in any way shape or form here? No. They trusted a company to give them what they asked for, and that company failed. The heat should be on Bizon, not my customer.
@@ChodyRay It's unfortunate because other than using too many zip ties, the PC was immaculate and very well built. Whatever made the decision for the cooling (or if it was automated they need to force this as a non-option) is the one to blame.
I like these videos especially bc it reminds me of my 61-yo dad. He's been a technician since he was about 16, mid-70s, and he still does this kind of stuff. He also watches your videos because apparently they're funny in a relatable way.
I literally just had a Dell XPS with an i9-9900 with a tiny aluminum block cooler. He is upgrading to a new case, cooler, PSU, and motherboard. He will have no thermal issues after it's done.
I mean technically a liquid cooler is all 3. It transfers heat from the cold plate which is a solid then used liquid to move that heat to the radiator then fans to pass air across the radiator to cool the liquid then repeat.
@@jeffb.6642 I get a good idea, I have a 4,000$ PC. Put it together, troubleshooted it, tinkered with and undervolted it followed by overclocking. It's hilarious how many people think you can just 'buy' an expensive PC and never have any issue after that.
Imagine overpaying $6k and ending up with a 240mm non-RGB cooler Edit: my god even the front fans are just plain black. where the hell did the 6k go in this rig?? lmao
I also don't understand why the 13900KF. If they want to game there is the 7950X3D if it's for more CPU heavy stuff they could get the Thread ripper 7960X for this money.
@@valentinvas6454 probably someone with a lot of cash and say f it what's the most expensive CPU I can get and look what's happening the expensive CPU just got limited performance should've taken moderate amount and spend it elsewhere like the cooling system
@@SalemTechsperts I have a question do you check your customers personal photos videos account password credit card/debit card number etc. Do you even play their games ?
@@Ahnaf_Abid That's some weirdo stuff man. The customer is trusting you to their device, if you violate their trust you're not a good person and you risk having your entire reputation and business ruined. I do exactly what I'm told and look at what I need to.
If you have a problem with your pc and the parts are not just released there was someone in the past with the some problem and he posted the solution somewhere on the internet. This saved me from ever going to any of the many greatest technician of the world.
If you're getting bluescreens from overheating, there might be more at play than just the AIO being too small. Normally, a CPU would simply limit power draw to not overheat and throttle performance. Outright bluescreening under load makes it seem like no heat is being dissipated at all and the CPU overheats before it can even think of throttling. Possibly the contact between CPU and cooler isn't good, which may be the good old "forgot to remove the peel" problem, for example, or a bad/no application of thermal paste.
CPU throttled all the way to 12%-16% before it crashed. After undervolt, no throttling, no crashing, no noticeable performance hit. Once the 360mm AIO arrives, we remove undervolt and test.
@@SalemTechsperts Very strange behaviour. Normally, an undervolt shouldn't have *that* severe of an impact. Maybe if you're getting throttling down to 80-90% performance, but not down to 12-16% and bluescreening. Suddenly having full performance with an undervolt makes very little sense to me. I sense something more waiting in the bushes.
I didn't think crashes due to overheating were really possible anymore unless you had literally no cooler at all on the CPU. It would just HEAVILY underclock and have crap performance but never really crash.
It's probably the memory (which I presume has XMP enabled) getting funky the moment the CPU starts throttling which triggers the BSOD. Inscrutable errors tend to be caused by overclocked high performance RAM being sensitive in my experience.
@@ultikillerrrr I don't trust undervolting on others pc's even with many tests there might be applications that will cause crashing and also silicon deterioration is a thing which means it won't hold the same clocks as before, but thats mostly overclocking I think.
yeah .. seriously .. where do these 6k even come from .. GPU 2k (if its a 4090) .. 2k for CPU + board + RAM + SSD .. maybe another 1000 for psu case cooler and various small items .. but that is already generous .. 1k for having it build is .. well .. expensive
The size of the radiator doesn't affect the temperature at all, the only difference between the different sizes is the length of time it lasts for high quality cooling, but if the room temperature isn't high then the only difference is the difference in fan sound. The cause of the cpu overheating is more likely to be that the aio itself is broken, the pipes are clogged or the grain on the back of the copper plate is clogged with impurities or there are too many air bubbles causing it.
It's funny seeing this after knowing that recently it was discovered that 13th/14th GEN Intel CPU have a problem inside their microcode causing it to ask for more voltage than it should
Yeah its crazy what happened lol Im running 13900ks but with E-cores off and hyperthreading off P-cores locked on 5.8ghz still running like the first day But it was crazy on my first cinebench run where it was stock, out of the box and to see power draw of 380 Watts lol… and every Core hitting 100c in the first second of the run haha… And with E-cores and Hyperthreading off im hitting like 200-250 watts and im chilling on 80-90c
If it were only ''microcode for voltage''. But it's much worse that that. Intel had manufacturing contamination issues that cause oxydation inside the CPU and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Undervolting and undeclocking only slows the degradation.
Do you not see the cooler dudes running?💀 if he hadn’t removed the plastic seal it would be throttling way quicker under stress & would more than likely smell of burnt plastic.
yeah, in my comment I mentioned I literally just built a rig like this and it works completely fine. A 240 cooler will work fine for an i9. My homie’s rig I built idles at 29C, and maxes out under load around 45C
There really isn't much of a difference. It's the cpu that is the problem. I can guarantee 200rpm fan speed increase would make a bigger difference than 120mm of extra radiator and most people don't even adjust their fans so it's completely different per brand or model
Well, the problem here is just the overheating, something expected for an i9 in that AIO. The 13th & 14th gen cpus are failling because of tensions and other stuff. Here it clearly was because of the overheating. Even the failure code says that.
For $6k you could have a custom loop but I think you would probably have had to build it yourself. It amazing how quickly you spend a lot of money buying three radiators, all the fans, all the copper fittings, the water blocks, the pump, the reservoir etc. So in parts you could get your watercooled pc but the build cost and profit margin might take it above $6k for someone to do it for you. I've built a 3090 and i9900k water cooled build and spent a lot of money doing it right with waterblocks and active backplates etc. it's unreal how quick your bill goes through the roof. Now I have intel 13th gen and 4090 I just kept it simple with 360mm aio and air cooled GPU. Less fun I guess but less stress too.
@@stevenross-watt8640You easily can get a custom loop PC for 6k. Even with the components in this PC. If you go any higher you'll get two PCs in one case, case modding or a bad deal.
@@cdbtheclaw I'm wondering where they cut corners or where they make their profit margin. Once you add up full face water blocks from EKWB, three 45mm copper radiators, D5 pump, reservoir, all the copper fittings and the rest, it's amazing how quickly you spend a lot of money. Either the company selling them has a way to get the parts cheaper or they aren't using the same parts as when you build it yourself. The limited edition waterblock and active backplate from EKWB for my 3090 FE alone cost something like £900 (let's say $1000). So I'm not trying to argue just pointing out quick a proper custom loop adds up in price.
@@superspies32 its true, because 5/6 gen civics have very shitty radiators. They are very very thin. Like one fingernail lenght thin. Solution, buy 100$ aftermarket 3 core radiators, those can handle even serious horsepower.(500-700hp)
@@parkian4245 yeah. if you say good idea than it could be achieve. good idea always a crazy idea before exist. it is not expensive to remove the condense, it is just need a proper technique.
ROG strix 4090 aint cheap, $2.5-2.6 grand right there depending where you buy, the rest falls into about $2.5k ish also but for that price it should be at least 3 radiator fans on the cpu, yeah something still aint right lol but that depends if you're running 4tb or 8tb nvmes lol
6000 checks out, mine costs 4000, and if i upgrade to the same specs, then it will cost 6000. Better qustion is why hardware has doubled in price in the last 5 years.
Technically you'd be correct, at this point in time the parts they used cost more than $6k LOL Edit: I thought they were using a different motherboard so its below 6k, but still that ain't a ridiculous upcharge
The thing about the i9s is that theyre basically always going to be thermal limited. Its just a question of how much performance you can squeeze out of them before that happens.
@@penteractgaming not as much as you might imagine. The average gamer won't notice a damn difference between the I7 and I9 either. Even high end gamers won't.
The only way to prvent these CPU's from hitting TJMAX is either with sub-ambient cooling or a delid job, otherwise they will always thermal throttle at normal ambient temps. These CPU's are extremely fast when not thermally contstrained as Intel still holds the crown in extreme overclocking competitions. Whoever made this video likely misdiagnosed the issues as the system is likely unstable because of the the CPU's memory controller not being able to handle all 4 DIMM's being populated with 32 GB modules as DDR5 is notorious for instability beyond 2 DIMM's at even CERTIFIED speeds, and XMP is certainly out of the question.
Funny thing is, those issues that caused the crashing are likely just the microcode issue anyways. The instability was also always accompanied by a very high temperature spike, I watched it happen in real time with my processor, that was some silver lining since it gave me the foresight to limit some settings which definitely prevented damage
4 months later, we finally found out that motherboard manufacturers were over clocking these high-end CPU’s right out of the box. And it certainly didn’t help that Intel was already pushing these CPU’s to the limit.
I dont know what you on about. Thats known from the beginning when u first turn on your pc and take a look into your bios. I have my 13900k since beginning of last year and set it to Intel default limits.
THATS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM I HAD WITH MY OLD PC. I went through everything with updating drivers, check disks, sfcscans, etc, and it would still do this. Hats off to the “greatest technician that’s ever lived”
MSI afterburner can really help diagnose heating problems, monitoring software should be someone’s first grab on any fresh build. Windows needs to start including temperature data properly for users.
@@jackrabbit1704Literally just go to task manager. You don’t need a 3rd party software for anything. How tf do you think BIOS knows your temps if you need to full boot some bloatware?
Theirs also talk about how you place the radiator. The water in them aren't filled up all the way, you can shake one where the metal end is woth out the heat pipes and yull hear it slosh around. They say the radiator needs to have the heat pipes below it fir optimal cooling moving the water evenly with out air getting in their
Thanks for explaining that "overheated CPUs (thermal issue)" means the cpu is overheating(i couldn't figure it out), you truly understand your audience's intelligence levels 😊
You know I almost did this for real. Not the 6k budget but the mineral oil build… but after some research I read something about how a lot of MO builds run into a bunch of issues. Could be false. Just what I read from ppl who had the build 🤷♂️
Itll be rudamentary and something will be wrong with it look how they fuck this one up. In 2 years itll be outdated, crippled from the beggining already
Yeah the aio might be too small but that still won't make it instantly throttle. That clearly has another issue. You should have looked under the cooler to check for plastic that didn't get removed or for proper thermal paste spread.
There is no way to prevent a 13900k from overheating without full water cooling, especially with what looks to be a 4090 in the case. 13700k has a hard time staying cool with a 360 cooler, 13900 is just pure waste
Remember little ones. the forest is still there... And if you listen, you may hear Lupe's howls, and if you're good, you may just, catch a glimpse of the greatest technician thats ever lived... 🤗
When i heard 240mm of Aio i wasn't thinking it was that bad, but then i see the size of the whole pc (like 4 times the size of mine and it's just an matx) and that does not work
@anstorner I have a 240aio with a I914900k and a 4090 and it is stays on the lower end of the operating range while playing any game with max settings. I think I literally have the AIO in the video. This goober has to be bench testing.
Tip for future cases like this, the thermal grizzly CPU contact frame fixes this heat issue for the 12th, 13th, & 14th gen Intel CPU's, you could have some lying around for situations like this. My i7-13700k cannot hit a package temp of 90 degrees and thats under 100% AVX load, only cores 1 & 3 go above 90 at 91 & 93 respectively, and my system is air cooled via the Noctua nh-d15.
I'm thinking of building a gaming and AI machine with a water cooled 4090 OC card. What mobo do you recommend for longevity (like maybe support future 5000 cards and new memory sticks).
@@keylanoslokj1806 After a lot of research and some talks with some computer building shops in my area i went with the z790-p none wifi version. I'ts a very good Mobo imo.
@@keylanoslokj1806 I got a PRIME Z790-P. It has excellent cooling and does a great job at supporting high power draw CPU's. It also has plenty of options for storage expansion, i currently have 3 m.2's 1 HDD and 2 SSD's hooked up to it. Although given that Intel is moving away from the LGA1700 socket i cant recommend it if you plan on upgrading your CPU in the future, either go with an AM5 motherboard as AMD is sticking with that one for at least a few more generations or settle for a 13-14gen Intel.
The builder was probably ignorant. They probably saw a radiator that holds two fans and assumed it was good. A 280 probably gets the job done, 240 is too small.
It is a company that builds PCs and sells them as their own but the company usually does the bare minimum, like skipping out on a more expensive cooler. But then again they could have just charged more? Who knows
This is why I like Zen 3, it was the last time a flagship reliably ran 24/7 at full load under an air cooler. On a DRP4 my 5950X hovers around 80C max. Zen 4 and Raptor Lake are straight-up ovens that peg temperatures straight to 95C or more, regardless of cooling solutions.
Thermal Grizzly makes a contact plate for the 13 and 14th gen Intel chips that corrects the heat problem with the CPU, which it turns out is just a poorly designed socket for the boards in that series. Not only can it lower the Temps by 10 degrees depending on how bad your cooler's contact is with the cpu, it makes all of the cores heat up evenly whereas without it there are Hotspot making it throttle the cpu despite it only being that hot on one or two cores. Worth checking out in this case imo.
13900s are more limited by thermal transfer through the thermal surface. Linus TT (as much as I hate the man) proved this by running below freezing coolant through a liquid cooler and still struggled to get the temps down in the 13900k
I have 64GB of DDR5 ram in my 12900HX RTX3080TI laptop. You can get a really good deal on ram if you watch for sales. I think I paid 140 for my ram kit on Black Friday.
It's a particular issue with Intel and Asus boards. The board overvolts to try and get as much performance as possible using an option called multicore optimization. Turn it off immediately! Not only does it overheat your CPU but it can even break it. BTW, that LUX 2 case is so nice to build in :) so much space for stuff and things!
@@SalemTechsperts I live in florida now my family use to live in Wisconsin so ik rust all so well its my first car was $700 with 80k miles so im not doing to bad.
Salem didn’t build the pc, the company bison did. He was solving the problem the only way he could without making the customer have to upgrade his cooler
He never said anything about underclocking it, so it very well could be the same performance but even if it was lower it'd be an imperceivable difference of like 5% unless he went took it to an extreme, this goes the same for AMDs higher end parts, they run pretty warm out of the box but even a small undervolt will greatly improve temps and even improve performance because they can boost more.
@@Pineapple_BZ Better question what do you think it does? These two have different names for a reason and it has to do with them not being the same thing...
I had this exact problem with a new pc build. i have an i9 13900kf and it was overheating when i first got it. turns out the problem was the bios setting for power was set to unlimited. So it was trying to use 450 watts when it was only rated for something like 275.
I wish I could pin multiple comments but in the full version you can see on Instagram or TikTok, I explain the undervolt was a temporary solution to keep the CPU stable until the 360mm AIO arrives.
Ok
Second replie
Haha- I absolutely knew you were going to take heat (no pun intended) for that ‘fix’ 😂😂 Good to hear it was a temporary solution until a permanent fix was implemented.
Keep up with the videos my man, from one tech to another they are entertaining 👌😂
As someone without Instagram or TikTok: why not also put the long video on TH-cam?
If you put the video on the platforms with the scrolling people instead of the ones that actually select their content and hold grudges, and now everything better, thats entirely on you. :D
But yea, expected that this was temporary. Just looked for the comment to confirm. :D
For 6 grand you'd expect the entire pc to be water-cooled
It’s gotta be caviar cooled
The 4090 clearly doesn't need watercooling with that humongous cooler but they could have at least but either a beefier 420mm AIO or a D15(if sold pre built it makes more sense as it is zero maintenance) or just used an amd cpu
@@vladppp9954You actually don’t know what you’re talking about my man.
@@gg2324an i9 needs an aio unfortunately
@@ZonexGThere are fan coolers for high end 13 & 14th gen processors, but they’re massive ugly bricks. So it’s still a give and take.
For $6k, you should put the civic radiator on it
Underrated comment 😂
I cracked at this 😂
😂😂👏🏿
Had me gasping at work with this one 😂😂
And have 5k left
Alright people. $6,000, let's do the math.
ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Hero - $550
SABRENT 8TB Rocket 4 Plus - $1300
CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 128GB - $430
ASUS ROG 4090 - $2000
2x 14TB Seagate Ironwolf - $480
Intel Core i9-13900KF - $550
Phanteks Case - $200?
Corsair RM1200x PSU - $230
Corsair 240mm H100i = $120
TOTAL = $5860 w/o tax, not including
Capture Card = ????
Fans + cords = ????
Bizon's labor = ????
So yes. $6k. Did Bizon do a shitty job by giving him a 240mm AIO on this CPU? Yes. Is my customer at fault in any way shape or form here? No. They trusted a company to give them what they asked for, and that company failed. The heat should be on Bizon, not my customer.
Lack of common senses is a crime
The worst PC build company to ever live ngl i will personally make a pc by myself ain't trusting none
To be fair, if you're gonna drop 6 grand you could at least do the tiniest bit of research to make sure you aren't getting screwed
@@ChodyRay my guy got scammed and also it's sad that he trusted a company to make his dream pc but they didn't do their job perfectly for him
@@ChodyRay It's unfortunate because other than using too many zip ties, the PC was immaculate and very well built. Whatever made the decision for the cooling (or if it was automated they need to force this as a non-option) is the one to blame.
I like these videos especially bc it reminds me of my 61-yo dad. He's been a technician since he was about 16, mid-70s, and he still does this kind of stuff. He also watches your videos because apparently they're funny in a relatable way.
for 6k i’d expect the pc to feel like Antarctica inside
For 6 thousand I'd be expecting a streamer PC at least
For $6k it sounds like it was a nice room heater at least for the winter
That starts at $20k
@@Andrew-fq7pu ngl a $500 would be way better ngl… (if you build it yourself with a yt video)
For 6K I'm expecting a custom loop at least
Imagine spending this much on a PC and getting a to small cooler
EXACTLY they could have gotten some better cooling with like extra hundred or two
I literally just had a Dell XPS with an i9-9900 with a tiny aluminum block cooler. He is upgrading to a new case, cooler, PSU, and motherboard. He will have no thermal issues after it's done.
@@olandersnake i dont think laptop cpu are the same as computer cpu...
I totally wasn’t going to upgrade to a $1500 pc and keep my old 240 mm cooler..
Seriously?!?! Ikr. I have an i9 9900k but at least I’m running a deep cool assassin IV
For 6k you better get a solid, liquid and gas cooler 💀
and plasma
and bose-einstein condensate
I mean technically a liquid cooler is all 3. It transfers heat from the cold plate which is a solid then used liquid to move that heat to the radiator then fans to pass air across the radiator to cool the liquid then repeat.
@@ryancory5958I’m trying to imagine a _cooling system_ made of these🤣
Dammit, you beat me to writing bose einstien condesate @@ryancory5958
Spends 6K, doesn't even troubleshoot his own PC. That he spent a fortune on.
I don't think you understand who the target consumer is for this kind of PC
@@jeffb.6642what is it? Workstation?
@@jeffb.6642 I get a good idea, I have a 4,000$ PC.
Put it together, troubleshooted it, tinkered with and undervolted it followed by overclocking.
It's hilarious how many people think you can just 'buy' an expensive PC and never have any issue after that.
He spent 6k to NOT have to do that.
@@blackguy-ij7ij No matter the cost, there are always issues!
Imagine overpaying $6k and not getting a custom cooling setup
yes man
put wind cooler
Imagine overpaying $6k and ending up with a 240mm non-RGB cooler
Edit: my god even the front fans are just plain black. where the hell did the 6k go in this rig?? lmao
I also don't understand why the 13900KF. If they want to game there is the 7950X3D if it's for more CPU heavy stuff they could get the Thread ripper 7960X for this money.
@@valentinvas6454 probably someone with a lot of cash and say f it what's the most expensive CPU I can get and look what's happening the expensive CPU just got limited performance should've taken moderate amount and spend it elsewhere like the cooling system
"after a short youtube tutorial I pretend like I know what im doing" as someone working in Tech as admin/support, this is 95% of the job
It’s our little secret 🤫
@@SalemTechsperts I have a question do you check your customers personal photos videos account password credit card/debit card number
etc. Do you even play their games ?
@@Ahnaf_Abid That's some weirdo stuff man. The customer is trusting you to their device, if you violate their trust you're not a good person and you risk having your entire reputation and business ruined. I do exactly what I'm told and look at what I need to.
@@SalemTechsperts ok looks like you are nice dude
If you have a problem with your pc and the parts are not just released there was someone in the past with the some problem and he posted the solution somewhere on the internet. This saved me from ever going to any of the many greatest technician of the world.
That's the "i paid a builder 6k for 2500 in parts" box
13900k is thermally regulated and this should never happen. Guy probably sold him a bad CPU
@@keres993 more like this video is just full of crap and misinformation.
@@keres993 on god bro, i have a 240 mm cooler and my 13900k has nver had this problem
@@keres993 These new Intels seem like they have problems.
lol 2500$ in parts, you obviously dont know how much a 4090 is
You're telling me that build was $6k and didn't have its own complete water cooling system… 💀💀💀
If you're getting bluescreens from overheating, there might be more at play than just the AIO being too small. Normally, a CPU would simply limit power draw to not overheat and throttle performance. Outright bluescreening under load makes it seem like no heat is being dissipated at all and the CPU overheats before it can even think of throttling.
Possibly the contact between CPU and cooler isn't good, which may be the good old "forgot to remove the peel" problem, for example, or a bad/no application of thermal paste.
CPU throttled all the way to 12%-16% before it crashed. After undervolt, no throttling, no crashing, no noticeable performance hit. Once the 360mm AIO arrives, we remove undervolt and test.
@@SalemTechsperts Very strange behaviour. Normally, an undervolt shouldn't have *that* severe of an impact. Maybe if you're getting throttling down to 80-90% performance, but not down to 12-16% and bluescreening. Suddenly having full performance with an undervolt makes very little sense to me. I sense something more waiting in the bushes.
I didn't think crashes due to overheating were really possible anymore unless you had literally no cooler at all on the CPU. It would just HEAVILY underclock and have crap performance but never really crash.
@@g00bergob94Yeah exactly, that's usually the case too, this seems a bit unusual.
It's probably the memory (which I presume has XMP enabled) getting funky the moment the CPU starts throttling which triggers the BSOD. Inscrutable errors tend to be caused by overclocked high performance RAM being sensitive in my experience.
There is nothing like a computer you can't use to its fullest extent
My PC for example. Except I don't even live in the same continent as the greatest technician that's ever lived. Or a decent technician at least
My Laptop with my Internet connection is like Ford F-150 with wheels from Honda Civic
atleast its undervolting and not underclocking
My old tower was the opposite, the cooler is overkill for my CPU but I'm not complaining 😁
(i5 6600k at 4.2GHz + 1st gen Noctua NH-U12S)
@@ultikillerrrr I don't trust undervolting on others pc's even with many tests there might be applications that will cause crashing and also silicon deterioration is a thing which means it won't hold the same clocks as before, but thats mostly overclocking I think.
When you spend 6K on a PC but use a 240mm AIO on a i9 13900KF. LOL
That's one good pc builder... Shouldn't even be an option to select!
Lmao, why is it overheating! 😂😂😂
yeah .. seriously .. where do these 6k even come from .. GPU 2k (if its a 4090) .. 2k for CPU + board + RAM + SSD .. maybe another 1000 for psu case cooler and various small items .. but that is already generous .. 1k for having it build is .. well .. expensive
Money can’t fix stupid
Literal dumb decision. This Persons PC is actually garbage, I wonder what storage he has.. Maybe some HDDs as the boot drive..
The size of the radiator doesn't affect the temperature at all, the only difference between the different sizes is the length of time it lasts for high quality cooling, but if the room temperature isn't high then the only difference is the difference in fan sound. The cause of the cpu overheating is more likely to be that the aio itself is broken, the pipes are clogged or the grain on the back of the copper plate is clogged with impurities or there are too many air bubbles causing it.
128GB of RAM? Damn, that thing can run my whole life 💀
...and the motherboard will probably only recognize half of it.
Not overkill at all...
I got the idea that it can't run anything because it BSOD instantly.
Your life...
That motherboard only supports 64gbs 💀
Its completely useless, even in 2024 32GB is more than enough for any game. Get 32GB of low CL 7600mhz ram and enjoy the difference.
It's funny seeing this after knowing that recently it was discovered that 13th/14th GEN Intel CPU have a problem inside their microcode causing it to ask for more voltage than it should
Yeah its crazy what happened lol
Im running 13900ks but with E-cores off and hyperthreading off
P-cores locked on 5.8ghz still running like the first day
But it was crazy on my first cinebench run where it was stock, out of the box and to see power draw of 380 Watts lol… and every Core hitting 100c in the first second of the run haha…
And with E-cores and Hyperthreading off im hitting like 200-250 watts and im chilling on 80-90c
Yea I had liked this post and now like you said after coming back crazy how it’s a big issue rn
its less actually
If it were only ''microcode for voltage''. But it's much worse that that. Intel had manufacturing contamination issues that cause oxydation inside the CPU and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Undervolting and undeclocking only slows the degradation.
good thing I went with 12 I guess
Dude for 6K i would expect it to come with its own portable repairman lol
wtf hjahahaha
Underrated😂
Skill issue.
Is that only me or he said "this beast has 13 jedi knights" 💀
The howl got me dying 💀 💀💀
Same it was so random 😭😭💀
Lupe needs to be featured on this channel more 💀
That shit senttt me
😂😂
😂
Should have spent some of that 6k on better cooling.
he shouldn't spend on a 13900k actually.
@@JomarsYTYeah just get an Amd one, 7800x3d is the Cpu equivalent of what the 1080ti was for Gpus back then.
@@gama2064 right now amd may be better in performance but stability is horrible
@@pedroburgos1688don’t forget they have better pricing
@@pedroburgos1688yeah cause u ever run into CPU Instability. Not like you watched random yt to know that right?
"after a few tutorial, i pretend to know what i am doing 😂"
no tech TH-camr will admit it but we all do it.
@@SalemTechspertscan attest to that 😂
@@SalemTechsperts As someone studying CE I can confirm i have done this so many times lol.
SO true
@@JoJoGaminG36 preach!
There was plenty of space for a new radiator.
Might wanna check if they removed the plastic seal on the cooler
That’s what I thought, and check the customer had applied thermal paste. Maybe they already checked
Do you not see the cooler dudes running?💀 if he hadn’t removed the plastic seal it would be throttling way quicker under stress & would more than likely smell of burnt plastic.
240 is also way too small for i9. I thought plastic film too but when he said 240 mm, I knew he underpaid for cooling.
@@Wi11iam69 Probably just missed half the die with thermal paste on only part of the IHS.
yeah, in my comment I mentioned I literally just built a rig like this and it works completely fine. A 240 cooler will work fine for an i9. My homie’s rig I built idles at 29C, and maxes out under load around 45C
That 240mm radiator looks so wrong on so many levels in that pc
I thought that was for the memory or something 😂 like there is aint no way right that's gotta cool the cpu?
There really isn't much of a difference. It's the cpu that is the problem. I can guarantee 200rpm fan speed increase would make a bigger difference than 120mm of extra radiator and most people don't even adjust their fans so it's completely different per brand or model
Most of the budget went to the gpu and motherboard 😂.
Spent 6k with no water cooling sys is crazy 💀
Very heartwarming seeing the greatest technician that ever lived to also know about cars too
he's a racing fan too
Aged like milk because these CPUs are proven to have high failure rates.
Well, the problem here is just the overheating, something expected for an i9 in that AIO. The 13th & 14th gen cpus are failling because of tensions and other stuff. Here it clearly was because of the overheating. Even the failure code says that.
@@jzuany and you think this CPU won't also fail because?
@@cheesyvoid3143Bro didn't say it wouldn't fail just told you why it would fail good grief.
@@THE_POTATO- You don't have to talk when all you have is a potato.
@@cheesyvoid3143 Says the rat food.
Your racoon at the background scared me the shit out of me
bro i literally watched this short right before bed and thought it was a demon or sum lmao
I was so confused cuz I thought something burned into my screen but I couldn’t figure out how that woulda happened lmao
I thought for sure it was going to be the plastic film not being removed from the cooling block.😅
For 6 grand I'd expect this PC to grow limbs and start doing my homework
😂
for 6 Grand I would expect a custom liquid cool loop... or at least a 360 aio!
For $6k you could have a custom loop but I think you would probably have had to build it yourself. It amazing how quickly you spend a lot of money buying three radiators, all the fans, all the copper fittings, the water blocks, the pump, the reservoir etc. So in parts you could get your watercooled pc but the build cost and profit margin might take it above $6k for someone to do it for you. I've built a 3090 and i9900k water cooled build and spent a lot of money doing it right with waterblocks and active backplates etc. it's unreal how quick your bill goes through the roof. Now I have intel 13th gen and 4090 I just kept it simple with 360mm aio and air cooled GPU. Less fun I guess but less stress too.
@@stevenross-watt8640there is a shop in my country that sells custom loops with those specs for around 5.5-6k
3 radiators? A little over kill don't you think. You can easily cool this whole system with a single fatboi 360 radiator. @@stevenross-watt8640
@@stevenross-watt8640You easily can get a custom loop PC for 6k. Even with the components in this PC. If you go any higher you'll get two PCs in one case, case modding or a bad deal.
@@cdbtheclaw I'm wondering where they cut corners or where they make their profit margin. Once you add up full face water blocks from EKWB, three 45mm copper radiators, D5 pump, reservoir, all the copper fittings and the rest, it's amazing how quickly you spend a lot of money. Either the company selling them has a way to get the parts cheaper or they aren't using the same parts as when you build it yourself. The limited edition waterblock and active backplate from EKWB for my 3090 FE alone cost something like £900 (let's say $1000). So I'm not trying to argue just pointing out quick a proper custom loop adds up in price.
It’s like your trying to cool down a v10 engine with a Honda civic radiator got me laughing 😂
Its funny but true, that CPU TDP only 100W lower than the same gen Xeon. So maybe the owner need to replace that AIO with a server-size heat sink
I'd connect a ford super duty truck radiator to the intel cpu
@@superspies32 its true, because 5/6 gen civics have very shitty radiators. They are very very thin. Like one fingernail lenght thin. Solution, buy 100$ aftermarket 3 core radiators, those can handle even serious horsepower.(500-700hp)
That customer has all the gear and no idea. Putting that much heat under a 240mm is madness
"Trying to cool a V10 with a Civic radiator" is a roast I would have never thought of outta my head. 🤣🤣🤣
Lol i know right 😅😂 I laughed so hard when he said that
How is it a roast?
Its probably fucked bro byy a new processor amd hope nothin else is fucked up
for this $6000, i will build my PC casing into a fridge
Sounds like a good idea but its gonna be more expensive due to all those shit you need to remove the condensation and all that shit.
@@parkian4245 yeah. if you say good idea than it could be achieve. good idea always a crazy idea before exist. it is not expensive to remove the condense, it is just need a proper technique.
@@parkian4245 I believe Linus did this to test the theory, there's no exchange of exhaust heat in a fridge so it actually did worse than open air
A fridge won’t be able to keep up, they for sure cannot do 600W of cooling. There’s also the problem of everything being just convection cooling.
That's an idea!
There is no way that PC costs six grand for an AIO build. The person got scammed.
It's all in the storage lol
ROG strix 4090 aint cheap, $2.5-2.6 grand right there depending where you buy, the rest falls into about $2.5k ish also but for that price it should be at least 3 radiator fans on the cpu, yeah something still aint right lol but that depends if you're running 4tb or 8tb nvmes lol
@@venomous $660 NEW on Ebay.
6000 checks out, mine costs 4000, and if i upgrade to the same specs, then it will cost 6000. Better qustion is why hardware has doubled in price in the last 5 years.
Technically you'd be correct, at this point in time the parts they used cost more than $6k LOL
Edit: I thought they were using a different motherboard so its below 6k, but still that ain't a ridiculous upcharge
I have the EXACT Same computer, but I have the X62 Kraken AIO and it works fine. Never crashed cause of overheating
I was just wondering last night if that particular AIO cooler would keep a 14900kf under control... Greatest mind-reader that's ever lived.
The thing about the i9s is that theyre basically always going to be thermal limited. Its just a question of how much performance you can squeeze out of them before that happens.
@@penteractgaming not as much as you might imagine. The average gamer won't notice a damn difference between the I7 and I9 either. Even high end gamers won't.
@@goldenhate6649 they will in 8 years
The only way to prvent these CPU's from hitting TJMAX is either with sub-ambient cooling or a delid job, otherwise they will always thermal throttle at normal ambient temps. These CPU's are extremely fast when not thermally contstrained as Intel still holds the crown in extreme overclocking competitions.
Whoever made this video likely misdiagnosed the issues as the system is likely unstable because of the the CPU's memory controller not being able to handle all 4 DIMM's being populated with 32 GB modules as DDR5 is notorious for instability beyond 2 DIMM's at even CERTIFIED speeds, and XMP is certainly out of the question.
With current 13-14th gen Intel crashes I cant imagine what owner of that monster is going through now...
Funny thing is, those issues that caused the crashing are likely just the microcode issue anyways. The instability was also always accompanied by a very high temperature spike, I watched it happen in real time with my processor, that was some silver lining since it gave me the foresight to limit some settings which definitely prevented damage
Da greatest technician that's ever lived boyyy
THE GREATEST Technician THATS EVER LIVED😭🖐🏽
For $6k you'd expect the PC to come with a howling wolf
4 months later, we finally found out that motherboard manufacturers were over clocking these high-end CPU’s right out of the box. And it certainly didn’t help that Intel was already pushing these CPU’s to the limit.
I dont know what you on about. Thats known from the beginning when u first turn on your pc and take a look into your bios. I have my 13900k since beginning of last year and set it to Intel default limits.
Only Intel is doing it
@@Muffll. the "intel default limits" that some mobo manufacturers are using are WAY higher than what intel actually recommends.
Just turn off multicore enhancement
@@Andrushe4kanka turn the 'turbo mode' off
THATS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM I HAD WITH MY OLD PC. I went through everything with updating drivers, check disks, sfcscans, etc, and it would still do this. Hats off to the “greatest technician that’s ever lived”
MSI afterburner can really help diagnose heating problems, monitoring software should be someone’s first grab on any fresh build. Windows needs to start including temperature data properly for users.
@@jackrabbit1704Literally just go to task manager. You don’t need a 3rd party software for anything. How tf do you think BIOS knows your temps if you need to full boot some bloatware?
A 240mm should cool a 13900k without issues. Either the pump is dying or it wasn’t installed correctly
Theirs also talk about how you place the radiator. The water in them aren't filled up all the way, you can shake one where the metal end is woth out the heat pipes and yull hear it slosh around. They say the radiator needs to have the heat pipes below it fir optimal cooling moving the water evenly with out air getting in their
A 240 is ½ of what a 13900k needs
Yup, watch a Gamers Nexus video, definitely should be enough.
For 6k, you could even put a custom loop cooled PC, with liquid nitrogen as the coolant 🤌
Thanks for explaining that "overheated CPUs (thermal issue)" means the cpu is overheating(i couldn't figure it out), you truly understand your audience's intelligence levels 😊
I strive to be the very best
I tried to update the drivers 5 times after getting that error, didn't fix it. Apparently it's overheating, not driver issue
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For 6k you should build your pc in mineral oil...
You know I almost did this for real. Not the 6k budget but the mineral oil build… but after some research I read something about how a lot of MO builds run into a bunch of issues. Could be false. Just what I read from ppl who had the build 🤷♂️
@@Anxietye mineral water build is better
@@Anxietye mineral builds are the coolest imo but are such a massive pita its honestly not worth it.
@@anisistythe fiji 100% mineral water build
Itll be rudamentary and something will be wrong with it look how they fuck this one up. In 2 years itll be outdated, crippled from the beggining already
Yeah the aio might be too small but that still won't make it instantly throttle. That clearly has another issue. You should have looked under the cooler to check for plastic that didn't get removed or for proper thermal paste spread.
$6000 and you couldn't get a full ATX board.
"Removes cooler, opens prime95, puts frying pan and egg on cpu"
Lmao
Good idea😊😊😊😊
use a Peltier first to make sure the egg is cooking and the CPU is cooled
Almost 100 likes wtf xD
That's why you send your computers to the greatest technician that's ever lived
Thay even th3n instead of a better cooler they tuned the cpu down taking performance
There is no way to prevent a 13900k from overheating without full water cooling, especially with what looks to be a 4090 in the case. 13700k has a hard time staying cool with a 360 cooler, 13900 is just pure waste
Me personally, i have a piss-cooled PC but water sounds good too. @goldenhate6649
Blud had 128 gb Of RAM!!!!
thats literally the storage amount of my hard drive that runs my entire pc....
Even I have 128. It crashes 20-30 times every day due to ddr5 issues
@@glenloboI highly doubt that’s due to ddr5
@@glenlobo turn off xmp my guy
your ram timings are probably fucked up@@glenlobo
@@glenloboit’s quite well known you gotta run 4 sticks way slower so it’s not recommended to try it really if you just have common use cases.
For 6k I would atleast expect a 360mm radiator.
6k and not even getting a 360mm rad is crazy
yeah, better safe than sorry, i'm using a 420mm for the 7800x3d
Remember little ones. the forest is still there... And if you listen, you may hear Lupe's howls, and if you're good, you may just, catch a glimpse of the greatest technician thats ever lived... 🤗
Bro tried to save money with the AIO 💀
When i heard 240mm of Aio i wasn't thinking it was that bad, but then i see the size of the whole pc (like 4 times the size of mine and it's just an matx) and that does not work
@anstorner I have a 240aio with a I914900k and a 4090 and it is stays on the lower end of the operating range while playing any game with max settings. I think I literally have the AIO in the video. This goober has to be bench testing.
@@e.cforest5422 Or there is something wrong with unit itself or/and mounting. Stuff happens.
Well this aged well.
I was expecting at least a 360mm AIO for the processor . The pc build company did him dirty.
I don't think it's a pre built I think he did it himself but thing should've been water cooled instead
The greatest technician that's ever lived, he search a tutorial in TH-cam
Tip for future cases like this, the thermal grizzly CPU contact frame fixes this heat issue for the 12th, 13th, & 14th gen Intel CPU's, you could have some lying around for situations like this.
My i7-13700k cannot hit a package temp of 90 degrees and thats under 100% AVX load, only cores 1 & 3 go above 90 at 91 & 93 respectively, and my system is air cooled via the Noctua nh-d15.
I'm thinking of building a gaming and AI machine with a water cooled 4090 OC card. What mobo do you recommend for longevity (like maybe support future 5000 cards and new memory sticks).
@@keylanoslokj1806 After a lot of research and some talks with some computer building shops in my area i went with the z790-p none wifi version.
I'ts a very good Mobo imo.
LMAO. what an achievement! XD ur CPU does not hit 90c congrats! Intel is a joke.
@@hircine92h I dont think you understand what 100% AVX load stress testing is. In everyday use like gaming the package temp is around 60-70 degrees.
@@keylanoslokj1806 I got a PRIME Z790-P. It has excellent cooling and does a great job at supporting high power draw CPU's.
It also has plenty of options for storage expansion, i currently have 3 m.2's 1 HDD and 2 SSD's hooked up to it.
Although given that Intel is moving away from the LGA1700 socket i cant recommend it if you plan on upgrading your CPU in the future, either go with an AM5 motherboard as AMD is sticking with that one for at least a few more generations or settle for a 13-14gen Intel.
Bro casually has a dma card for cheating under his gpu
For 6k, it should have a freakin' Epyc or Threadripper and 8 dimm slots.
Should have, but we live in an era when those cpu's alone cost this much.
“Awoooo!”
Yup, he’s definitely an IT technician.
The hottest technician that’s ever lived 🔥
🥵🥵🥵🥵
240mm radiator on that build is just madness
When you max out every spec except endurance
How TF are you going to spend $6K but cheep out on the cooling?
The builder was probably ignorant. They probably saw a radiator that holds two fans and assumed it was good. A 280 probably gets the job done, 240 is too small.
It is a company that builds PCs and sells them as their own but the company usually does the bare minimum, like skipping out on a more expensive cooler. But then again they could have just charged more? Who knows
Dude got scammed. 6k with a 240mm aio? 😂😂 . This shit was gimped from the start.
A prebuilt pc cost 1800+
1tb
@@emilyc1988 A pre built can cost anywhere between 500 and 10k. What's your point? I don't understand.
@@Ouroboross- i don't understand you either so. only dumb idiots spend 10k on useless gaming pc that doesn't work. you're the idiot there.
@@Ouroboross- prebuilt doesnt cost 10k.
@@emilyc1988 Not all cars are 500k but I can show you several of them. Same thing with PC's.
This is why I like Zen 3, it was the last time a flagship reliably ran 24/7 at full load under an air cooler. On a DRP4 my 5950X hovers around 80C max. Zen 4 and Raptor Lake are straight-up ovens that peg temperatures straight to 95C or more, regardless of cooling solutions.
Thermal Grizzly makes a contact plate for the 13 and 14th gen Intel chips that corrects the heat problem with the CPU, which it turns out is just a poorly designed socket for the boards in that series. Not only can it lower the Temps by 10 degrees depending on how bad your cooler's contact is with the cpu, it makes all of the cores heat up evenly whereas without it there are Hotspot making it throttle the cpu despite it only being that hot on one or two cores. Worth checking out in this case imo.
Never heard about this. Im going to look for it now since my 14900K (with 360mm AIO) is comming and I dont want it to overheat
@@marcusbighouseit was waste money buy 13900 or 14900 because very hot
Everything but just buying a Ryzen
Use engine cooling oil for better performance
13900s are more limited by thermal transfer through the thermal surface. Linus TT (as much as I hate the man) proved this by running below freezing coolant through a liquid cooler and still struggled to get the temps down in the 13900k
Bro nerfed the customers pc 💀
The customer asked to make it work… it works now 😃
(🤣)
When you have a customer this stupid and ignorant and all they want is for it to work. (You do exactly that)
@@Jamespercy711lol your business ethics are impeccable.😂
Undervolting does not decrease performance, it actually improves it, and it greatly decreases temps by a lot
@@lenoirx Oh ok
Honestly I wouldn’t have been surprised to find out the plastic was still on the cold plate
Did I see 128GIGS OF RAM!?!?!?!?
Its 2024, wake up dude:)
I have 64GB of DDR5 ram in my 12900HX RTX3080TI laptop. You can get a really good deal on ram if you watch for sales. I think I paid 140 for my ram kit on Black Friday.
How do you spend 6k and not have proper cooling
you trust a company that clearly doesn't know what they're doing
@@SalemTechspertssound like something i’d do XD
I pretend to know what I'm doing so casually. Goated tech support.
It's a particular issue with Intel and Asus boards. The board overvolts to try and get as much performance as possible using an option called multicore optimization. Turn it off immediately! Not only does it overheat your CPU but it can even break it. BTW, that LUX 2 case is so nice to build in :) so much space for stuff and things!
That thing costs more than ive spent on my car ownership these last 3 years 💀
What car? That's a good record
@@SalemTechsperts 1988 lincoln town car🤣 insurance is cheap and I don't drive much ive spent 5k total
@@infernoking7504 Holy shit are you Mike from breaking bad? That's awesome. Those are all gone up here in the rust belt.
@@SalemTechsperts I live in florida now my family use to live in Wisconsin so ik rust all so well its my first car was $700 with 80k miles so im not doing to bad.
well done from the sounds of it!
Imagine spending 6k all for a technician to essentially give you back a part that doesn't perform as specified
Salem didn’t build the pc, the company bison did. He was solving the problem the only way he could without making the customer have to upgrade his cooler
@@0mar_XZ never said he did, don't care... for the price of the service he could have put in a bigger aio
He never said anything about underclocking it, so it very well could be the same performance but even if it was lower it'd be an imperceivable difference of like 5% unless he went took it to an extreme, this goes the same for AMDs higher end parts, they run pretty warm out of the box but even a small undervolt will greatly improve temps and even improve performance because they can boost more.
@@vgamesx1 what do you think undervolting does?? Omg
@@Pineapple_BZ Better question what do you think it does? These two have different names for a reason and it has to do with them not being the same thing...
Salem does love his R8
I wish it was mine :(
Bro unknowingly saved his cpu from killing itself in the future
The last thing you want to see is no GPU support 😅
I felt so bad for this customer 😭
@@SalemTechsperts and you didn't fix it?
I have the same cpu. It is a miracle that it never overheated
I had this exact problem with a new pc build. i have an i9 13900kf and it was overheating when i first got it. turns out the problem was the bios setting for power was set to unlimited. So it was trying to use 450 watts when it was only rated for something like 275.
Dude, he got hella scammed with that PC for 6k, that's at best worth 3k
last thing i expect to see in a 6k setup is a 240mm aio 😅
you know the pc is fucked when the greatest technician to ever live has to look up a youtube tutorial to fix it.
I forgot that the greatest technician that’s ever lived was a leaf, so hopefully that customer was only fleeced of $6000 CAD instead of $6000 USD
With 6 grand i want to have those shiny custom water cooling system that not only are the best at cooling but also look the best
I thought this is gonna be another "Might have forgoten to remove plastic film when added cpu cooler" things 😊
intel 15900k is going to use 600 wtts for 10% more ghz
Then their whole marketing for it will be to say how the superior AMD chip is actually worse
When you have $6000 pc, but dont know how to undervolt it 😫
Or rather when you have $6000 PC and install AIO with 240mm rad. That's a fail right at planning stage.
$6k on a PC with a 240 AIO is diabolical
That's why 7800X3D > I9 & I7.
If you prioritize gaming then yes amd is generally much better value
People buy pc for more than just gaming
@@feeeinnn Depending on which applications you use, You can still employ the 7950X for efficient work.
That has nothing to do with poorly chosen cooling.
Anime pfp, brand loyalty, go figure. Probably 80 iq too.
Bro that "it's like trying to cool a V10 with a Civic radiator" is spot on 😂👌
The 13900ks is more like a literal dumpster fire than a v10 though
Thanks for comparing PC and cars, it really helped me to understand what your doing right now 😂
if you don"t want a blue screen, change to linux, 99% of the time is a windows problem related