@@kansasoutdoors5667 Also they waited waaaayy too long to release their music, if they would’ve released at the time they recorded I’m 77-79 they would’ve been a household name, but because they waited till 1985 no one cared about stoner metal by then. It was all thrash and moving towards death metal.
Neurosis too, but a step up from Mastodon, E down to B. Black Cobra use a similar tuning as well but drop the 6th string down an additional whole step, AADGBe.
@@Brentqvaleenjoyer Maybe, I thought they used what they called drop Z, ZAADGB. Lord knows what the Z is, I doubt any tuner would pick it up. They might use AADGBE too, I don't know.
I own Victor's Les Paul from the 2010 Maryland Deathfest performance of this song. He sold it to me fir a great price, I still have it. It's the same colour as the one in this video. Best Les Paul I've ever owned. Victor is an awesome dude and I'm proud to call a friend.
Go a step further - the tuning that Neurosis often uses is A-A-D-G-D-E (the 6th string is an octave below the 5th string, the rest of the guitar in E Standard). So now play a position 2 power chord (root on the 5th string) and you barre over the 6th for the octave bass note of the chord.
These videos are amazing. No frills, no bullshit. Just a dude with a guitar telling me to slack my strings till they fall off and drone until I die. \m/
I've been obsessed with Victor Griffin's riffs for years and throughout those years I've made an attempt to learn just about every Pentagram (and some Place of Skulls) riffs. I remember being stumped by All Your Sins because there's a lick on the solo that's played on the E string, and I used to thing the song was just in Eb. When I read that interview that Victor did, it finally made sense - I tuned down to drop-Bb in standard and my mind was blown by how those octave chords sounded. IIRC the only other songs he played in that tuning are Death Row and *I think* Life Blood, which is a rather tricky song to cover, I will admit. Thanks a bunch for bringing this to people's attention! Victor Griffin is one of my favourite guitarists and his riffs and guitar tone are unparalleled. He deserves much more attention. Also, I never like "self-promotion", but I've got some cool old Pentagram / Death Row live and rehearsal stuff on my channel if you're interested!
@@burial_6763 Yep, except Relentless and Dying World, which are in drop-Db. (Victor also uses that tuning on Broken Vows, Live Free and Burn, Petrified, Call the Man, Nothing Left, Dead Bury Dead, Curious Volume, Close the Casket and Devil's Playground). I should also add that the other Pentagram albums (Review Your Choices, Sub-Basement and Show 'em How) are in D-standard with some songs in Drop-C.
Thanks for always having good input and pointers on the riffs of so many heroes. I appreciate your show not only for myself but also because i know so many others do as well. Oh, and thanks for wearing the Witchpit shirt too. ;) Best, Zach
Victor filled in for a Cathedral tour supporting Sabbath. I wonder if he and Tony discussed tuning? Victor has said he was a dick on that tour and in later years wrote Tony an apology letter that he doesn't know whether he ever received.
@@mattbelloni Album called "Forbidden". I guess you could say it's actually forbidden cause all of the Sabbath albums written with Tony Martin including this one are unavailable on Spotify etc. because of a copyright dispute.
I tried this a few years ago according to an interview i readed from Victor about 4-5 years ago. I used an Agile LP, an old BOSS HM-2 and a Marshall Valvestate 8080, it was mindblowing how heavy sounded.
This tuning style gets lots of use in the metalcore band Periphery, especially in their last two records it's been employed a lot and it's effect works great for that style too, very versatile!
I just use my Bass.. It's a conversion Acoustic but it's tuned up ADGC because it's short.. I run a humbucker across the soundhole and fuzz into one amp. Sometimes I drop G the thing for brutal tones... It also helps matching with a banjo or mandolin being root G tuning.
Awesome video on this tuning. It’s definitely got a sound of its own and always sparks a cool riff whenever I try it. Victor Griffin and Pentagram are so underrated in the history of rock and metal. Victor’s tone is so thick and syrupy. I first discovered him via the Place of Skulls record he did with Wino. Mastodon and Zakk Wylde were probably the ones who I associated it with most when I was younger and before I familiarised myself with where the tuning came from. Wino himself uses it here and there and a bit of a left field one is Tom Morello who busts out drop B for a couple of songs.
Like many folks I learned this tuning via Mastodon. I like that you can play root + 6th/7th chords more easily that in tuning where the lowest 2 strings are tuned a full octave apart. It did take me some sting gauge experimentation to get my guitar to play in tune, I couldn’t do it with 10-46 strings.
I heard something similar in Mastodon and BLS (Zakk Wylde use even GADGBE) tracks, but I never tried such a thing. Well, good that I have guitar tuned to Eb. Another exeptional lesson!
Awesome video man! Reminds me of the "z tuning" Torche and Floor uses. They tune the E string so low that you can't hear a clear note from it. They call it the bomb string. Doesn't get more brutal than that. Check out "Torche - Tarpit Carnivore" if you haven't.
A variant I came up with inspired by this tuning, was to swap the A string with a heavy gauge and detuning it one octave (E0 A-1 D1 G1 B1 E2). It gives you the sound of drop A, but all familiar chord shapes and standard high range.
Didn’t Soundgarden use this tuning on Rusty Cage and Holy Water off of Badmotorfinger? Would you ever do some “how to play” tutorials/lessons for Soundgarden or Alice in Chains’ songs? Obviously they along with the Melvins are more often associated with “grunge,” but they both have quite a few songs that flirt with doom, sludge, drone metal, and stoner rock.
Nice! I love this tuning and use it my band quite a bit (but from C# standard, so G#). I don’t remember where, but I’ve heard it called “trailer park 7-string” 😂
It's basically mimicking a 7 string on a 6 string. You get the low end of a 7 string minus the 6th low E string. You can also drop the 6th to B and the A to E.(B,E,D,G,B,E) Tool used that tuning on Parabola/Parabol. It's basically a poor man's 7 string. I tune to C standard and use drop A#, (A#,F,A#,D#,G,C) mainly but also use this tuning sometimes too which would be G,F,A#,D#,G,C. Usually when referring to this tuning it's just called B tuning or B/E tuning when dropping both the E and A strings. I also learned this tuning from Mastodon and Tool \m/ \m/
I would just like to point out that if you do put your guitar into such an unusual tuning, PLEASE remember to adjust your truss rod for it. Otherwise, you could end up warping your neck, and you don't want that.
That's the tuning. I'm not sure what you're asking on the fingering. The way the tuning works your standard R5 power chord shape becomes an octave when rooted on the 6th string but remains a R5 when rooted on the 5th string.
@@DoesItDoom I misunderstood your usage of the term root 5. My understanding of saying root 6, root 5 etc is what string a chord has its root on. I didn’t realize you meant R5 as in the familiar power chord shape. Anyways, I applied the principle; I took my standard tuning guitar and tuned the 6th string down to B to match the 2nd string. Now I can do nice low and chunky octave chords just by doing the familiar power chord on the 6th string. Love it, thanks for the video!
Btw I just bought an orange crush pro 120 head and I know you did a demo but what do you think about it? I mean would you record with it? I know Kirk windstein has been promoting it which helped influence me.
I think they are great amps for the price. Have used crush series amps to record countless lessons on the channel. Kirk doesn’t really use them at this point but he did try them for a little while.
hey dude, what's your opinion of Open D minor? my uncle has this old dobro and its tuned to open D minor (my uncle doesn't allow me to change it to E standard) so i learned to play some things, like close voiced triads, how do i play doom with that tuning?
Have only played in that tuning for a short time on slide guitar. Trying to learn some Blind Lemon I think? It’s a cool sounding tuning. Dark. Only way to know is to experiment.
Yup but you can get some really cool chords with it that are a lot harder to get with a 7. I use AGCFAD. I learned this tuning from March of the fire ants
Steve Brodsky of Mutoid Man/Cave In uses this tuning on all of Mutoid Man’s stuff and I think Big Riff by Cave In too. Tom Morello also uses it half a step up on some Rage/Audioslave stuff.
Love it dude I’ve been playing this in drop b and I mean like slipknot plays. Which sounded good but didn’t quite match up thanks. Hey let’s get some crowbar lessons please.
I’ve been doing this so that throughout my set I can continuously tune down song to song but not have to tune all my strings or change guitar, just to keep the beef and help it get heavier and heavier
I've been looking for a good video lesson for Relentless. Best I've been able to find ao far are covers and play alongs with zero insteuction. Unfortunately I'm just not good enough to pick out individual fretting positions while someone is playing, i dont know how people can do that, it has always baffled me. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Well most of your guitar is just in Eb which I would use something like 10-46 for. The low Bb should probably be somewhere in the 58-62 range, at least for me. Victor did it at 10-46, but that low Bb is super loose (though it does produce a unique tone and vibrato)
If you're talking about the drop C# tuning for "matching" the missing Eb references on regular chromatic tuners... I'm on to it ('been using that for a year, a year and a half). Didn't thought about dropping the 6th 3 whole tones though 😝 and I'm secretly hoping that it ain't gonna be as complicated as the "regular" Eb because that tuning warped my neurons a bit 🤣
@@DoesItDoom Well, the line up on Relentless was a band called Death Row up until '83 and I believe "All Your Sins" was already in their repertoire. I don't see it being impossible. Griffin can't be the first guy to have thought of that. And if he is, well that just goes to show they were true innovators. It would be a couple more years until Carcass came around playing in B standard. Many bands followed suite after that in many genres.
Lord Iommi tuned the whole guitar down to C# with .009 gauge strings in 1971 for the Masters of Reality album to ease the string tension on his damaged fingers. Not quite that low, but getting close.
Thank you very much for this , very helpful, I would like more video about Pentagram, I did many research about Victor Griffin but I never read that he used a distortion + , how did you find out? I an interview he said didn't use distortion pedal , I found this about his gear VICTOR GRIFFIN’S GEAR Guitars 1991 Gibson Les Paul Standard 1987 Gibson Les Paul Standard 1994 Gibson Les Paul Standard 1984 Gibson Les Paul Studio Standard Amps Laney Tony Iommi Signature TI100 3 Laney GH100L heads, modded by Voodoo Amps 3 Laney GH100TI Tony Iommi signature heads, modded by Voodoo Amps (all heads have Tung-Sol EL34B power tubes) 8 Fender Showman 412S cabinets Effects Carl Martin Boost Kick Way Huge Angry Troll boost Budda Budwah Dunlop Q-Z1 Cry Baby Q-Zone fixed wah Mooer Ana Echo delay TC Electronic Flashback delay American Loopers 8-channel programmable looper Electro-Harmonix Nano Clone Chorus Ernie Ball volume pedal Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2 Voodoo Lab 4-channel Amp Selector Korg Pitchblack tuner Strings and Picks D’Addario EXL125 sets (.009-.046) Planet Waves American Stage cables InTune heavy picks
I have an old Facebook Messenger conversation with him from about 5 years ago. I was asking him if he used a '78 Gibson The Paul and Sound City 120 heads on the Relentless record and also asked if he used any pedals. This is his response: "Hi Steve, Yes... that's what I used on the first album and also live for the first few years. The '79 Gibson The Paul which I still have and play live occasionally, 2 Sound City 120 heads, and 2 Ampeg SVT cabs. The only pedal I used was an MXR Distortion+ which I also still have but long since quit using. That's about it. Thanks for asking and hope to see you soon! Very best regards, Victor" Hope that helps!
@@DoesItDoom Cool! you conversed with him! In an interview I read that he said this: ". I use boost pedals to push, because I don’t use any sort of distortion pedal for gain. I use the gain from the amps, because all the amps I use have a gain knob."
Not much gain out of those Sound City heads haha, at least nowhere near enough for Pentagram. I don’t know if they even had gain dials. Those Laney GH100TI amps (the old ones that were one channel) are a killer score if you can get one. I got one way below the price of what a similar Marshall or Peavey would cost. Victor has his own boost pedal now with Minotaur Sonic Terrors from Greece, it’s killer if you can get one.
Pentagram..So underrated..A crime!
🤘🏻🤘🏻
If bobby had not of messed up so i think they would have been as big as sabbath
@@kansasoutdoors5667 Also they waited waaaayy too long to release their music, if they would’ve released at the time they recorded I’m 77-79 they would’ve been a household name, but because they waited till 1985 no one cared about stoner metal by then. It was all thrash and moving towards death metal.
Mastodon does this but half a step down, so drop A from D standard, it sounds real cool as well
Nice! Saw that mentioned a time or two when I posted about doing a unique drop tuning lesson.
Neurosis too, but a step up from Mastodon, E down to B. Black Cobra use a similar tuning as well but drop the 6th string down an additional whole step, AADGBe.
Toads McGroads I’ve always thought of the AADGBE tuning as the Torche tuning
@@Brentqvaleenjoyer Maybe, I thought they used what they called drop Z, ZAADGB. Lord knows what the Z is, I doubt any tuner would pick it up. They might use AADGBE too, I don't know.
Toads McGroads they use both the bomb tuning (Z) and the AADGBE, they mention it in their Rig Rundowns
One of the heaviest nastiest tunings / albums ever! Incredible man you nailed it .
Thanks buddy! One of my all time favorite albums as well.
I own Victor's Les Paul from the 2010 Maryland Deathfest performance of this song. He sold it to me fir a great price, I still have it. It's the same colour as the one in this video. Best Les Paul I've ever owned. Victor is an awesome dude and I'm proud to call a friend.
That’s very cool!!
Go a step further - the tuning that Neurosis often uses is A-A-D-G-D-E (the 6th string is an octave below the 5th string, the rest of the guitar in E Standard). So now play a position 2 power chord (root on the 5th string) and you barre over the 6th for the octave bass note of the chord.
as far as i know, the earliest song that used this tuning is boris by the melvins :)
@@nutsuckler47 wasnt boris B like this video ?
@@C0nnie nawww its in a a d g b e
0:18 That TONE though . . .so filthy, I Love It.
These videos are amazing. No frills, no bullshit. Just a dude with a guitar telling me to slack my strings till they fall off and drone until I die.
\m/
Thanks for writing the new channel bio. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
@@DoesItDoom Always happy to help, comrade. I think I'm gonna try this tuning for the next Saxo Grammaticus song. \m/
@@nofrillsnoskillsguitar365 rad!
I agree wholeheartedly and to demonstrate that emotion, I will use the closest thing to a "baked" emoji I can find..... ☺
The Melvins used a similar Drop A tuning on Boris and Koollegged but it’s a full octave between the A strings.
You gotta elaborate because I need that tuning
hashishin hessian just tune standard and drop the low E string to an A.
Isis did this in drop B so the low E string was F# rather than B. They also tuned the high E string to B in drop B tuning. Weird band!
The Melvins tuning would have been AADGBE.
@@dragonfistjedi I think I just added that comment myself, except I've heard Neurosis using this tuning.
Easily the greatest Doom band. Victor's riffs and tone is ridiculous.
Love it!
I've been obsessed with Victor Griffin's riffs for years and throughout those years I've made an attempt to learn just about every Pentagram (and some Place of Skulls) riffs. I remember being stumped by All Your Sins because there's a lick on the solo that's played on the E string, and I used to thing the song was just in Eb. When I read that interview that Victor did, it finally made sense - I tuned down to drop-Bb in standard and my mind was blown by how those octave chords sounded. IIRC the only other songs he played in that tuning are Death Row and *I think* Life Blood, which is a rather tricky song to cover, I will admit.
Thanks a bunch for bringing this to people's attention! Victor Griffin is one of my favourite guitarists and his riffs and guitar tone are unparalleled. He deserves much more attention.
Also, I never like "self-promotion", but I've got some cool old Pentagram / Death Row live and rehearsal stuff on my channel if you're interested!
Very cool man! Will checkout the channel!!
So the other tracks on Relentless are played in Eb?
@@burial_6763 most, yeah. I think Death Row also uses this tuning.
@@burial_6763 Yep, except Relentless and Dying World, which are in drop-Db. (Victor also uses that tuning on Broken Vows, Live Free and Burn, Petrified, Call the Man, Nothing Left, Dead Bury Dead, Curious Volume, Close the Casket and Devil's Playground).
I should also add that the other Pentagram albums (Review Your Choices, Sub-Basement and Show 'em How) are in D-standard with some songs in Drop-C.
Thanks for always having good input and pointers on the riffs of so many heroes. I appreciate your show not only for myself but also because i know so many others do as well. Oh,
and thanks for wearing the Witchpit shirt too. ;)
Best,
Zach
Thanks for the kind words, Zach! Love the shirt man!
Tony Iommi also used this tuning on Can't Get Close Enough from Sabbath's Forbidden album.
No shit! Cool.
Victor filled in for a Cathedral tour supporting Sabbath. I wonder if he and Tony discussed tuning? Victor has said he was a dick on that tour and in later years wrote Tony an apology letter that he doesn't know whether he ever received.
Forbidden album?
@@mattbelloni Album called "Forbidden". I guess you could say it's actually forbidden cause all of the Sabbath albums written with Tony Martin including this one are unavailable on Spotify etc. because of a copyright dispute.
Cuz every song sucks on it. Absolutely their worst album ever.
I tried this a few years ago according to an interview i readed from Victor about 4-5 years ago. I used an Agile LP, an old BOSS HM-2 and a Marshall Valvestate 8080, it was mindblowing how heavy sounded.
Super heavy!
Soundgarden used this Tuning in Holy water
and Rusty Cage
And tool used it on Prison Sex.
I've used this tuning before. I like how the open a is the minor 7. Took me a while to adjust to the scale positions but it's a totally awesome tuning
Yeah, that is definitely a cool aspect!
I did this in C Standard dropping the top string to G so it would match the second string, nice droney sound
Thank you! Been having a blast using this tuning
Awesome!
Pentagram is such an underrated bad ass band! 🖤🔥🤘🔥
That Les Paul is beautiful!
🤘🏻🤘🏻
This tuning style gets lots of use in the metalcore band Periphery, especially in their last two records it's been employed a lot and it's effect works great for that style too, very versatile!
Nice!
I just use my Bass.. It's a conversion Acoustic but it's tuned up ADGC because it's short.. I run a humbucker across the soundhole and fuzz into one amp. Sometimes I drop G the thing for brutal tones... It also helps matching with a banjo or mandolin being root G tuning.
Killer!
Also Soundgarden used this tuning in Rusty Cage
I love that song lol
Soundgarden were kings of weird tunings.
@@MrHeshersNeighborhood Sonic Youth as well.
But it's in BEADGbe standard not in half a step-down.
Awesome video on this tuning. It’s definitely got a sound of its own and always sparks a cool riff whenever I try it.
Victor Griffin and Pentagram are so underrated in the history of rock and metal. Victor’s tone is so thick and syrupy. I first discovered him via the Place of Skulls record he did with Wino.
Mastodon and Zakk Wylde were probably the ones who I associated it with most when I was younger and before I familiarised myself with where the tuning came from. Wino himself uses it here and there and a bit of a left field one is Tom Morello who busts out drop B for a couple of songs.
This is great! Having lots of fun with lower tunings because of your videos,
thank you, best wishes from a gloomy autumnal England!!!
Glad to hear that Alan!
Like many folks I learned this tuning via Mastodon. I like that you can play root + 6th/7th chords more easily that in tuning where the lowest 2 strings are tuned a full octave apart. It did take me some sting gauge experimentation to get my guitar to play in tune, I couldn’t do it with 10-46 strings.
Nice!
Anybody else who couldn't stop themselves from yelling "LIKE THIS!" with big crazy eyes at the appropriate time?
Haha! That’s awesome.
Awesome video I’m a big Pentagram fan and I have a Baritone guitar that I tune to B standard. This tuning is very cool I’m gonna try it soon.
Hope it goes well for ya!
I heard something similar in Mastodon and BLS (Zakk Wylde use even GADGBE) tracks, but I never tried such a thing. Well, good that I have guitar tuned to Eb. Another exeptional lesson!
Definitely had several mention both. Thanks for watching man!
Awesome video man! Reminds me of the "z tuning" Torche and Floor uses. They tune the E string so low that you can't hear a clear note from it. They call it the bomb string. Doesn't get more brutal than that. Check out "Torche - Tarpit Carnivore" if you haven't.
Yes, killer stuff! Hope you’re doing well, Otu!
I believe they also had a side band called Dove(?) also tuned way down
A variant I came up with inspired by this tuning, was to swap the A string with a heavy gauge and detuning it one octave (E0 A-1 D1 G1 B1 E2). It gives you the sound of drop A, but all familiar chord shapes and standard high range.
That’s really cool!
And so the 6th string is just a normal low E like on a standard tuning?
@@serginhosena Yes. It’s standard except for the A string.
Didn’t Soundgarden use this tuning on Rusty Cage and Holy Water off of Badmotorfinger? Would you ever do some “how to play” tutorials/lessons for Soundgarden or Alice in Chains’ songs? Obviously they along with the Melvins are more often associated with “grunge,” but they both have quite a few songs that flirt with doom, sludge, drone metal, and stoner rock.
I do this sometimes but I do it from D standard to AGCFAD. It's pretty cool.
Nice! I love this tuning and use it my band quite a bit (but from C# standard, so G#). I don’t remember where, but I’ve heard it called “trailer park 7-string” 😂
Haha! I was curious to see what people called it!
Lol,sorry man but I'm gonna have to swipe that from you.Priceless!🤘
Another cool one is Dimebag on Sandblasted Skin with the lower octave thing
Nice!
I’d be interested in trying the tuning Opeth used on the song sorceress (AADGBe) in a doom style
Always called that Double A, like King Buzzo did on Boris for example, no?
love this song. love this tuning. love this channel. Howza bout a lesson on Trouble's Psalm 9.
and I love that idea! Trouble is one of my favorite bands. Drop a vote for that one on the official list at www.doesitdoom.com/requests
That tuning dooms 🤘🔥😬🔥👍 thanks Steve !!!
It does! Thanks for watching, Patrick!
Tool - Parabol/Parabola was written in BEDGBe, another interesting variation of this dropped tuning.
Tool- Prison Sex was also in BADGBE
Could you do a lesson on Sinister? That main riff is the epitome of what a riff that does doom sounds like.
Maybe! Drop another vote for it on the official request list at www.doesitdoom.com/requests
Love it! You always get great tone
Thanks, John. Just took a quick stab at a Relentless tone.
This tuning is bad ass. I play in a standard c tuning but with my 6th string dropped to G.
Nice!
MORE PENTAGRAM PLEASE
It's basically mimicking a 7 string on a 6 string. You get the low end of a 7 string minus the 6th low E string. You can also drop the 6th to B and the A to E.(B,E,D,G,B,E) Tool used that tuning on Parabola/Parabol. It's basically a poor man's 7 string. I tune to C standard and use drop A#, (A#,F,A#,D#,G,C) mainly but also use this tuning sometimes too which would be G,F,A#,D#,G,C. Usually when referring to this tuning it's just called B tuning or B/E tuning when dropping both the E and A strings. I also learned this tuning from Mastodon and Tool \m/ \m/
Insightful! Thanks Michael!
I would just like to point out that if you do put your guitar into such an unusual tuning, PLEASE remember to adjust your truss rod for it. Otherwise, you could end up warping your neck, and you don't want that.
Alter Bridge also uses this guitar tuning. Octave tunings are some of my favorite tunings. my go-to octave tuning is AGCFAD
tunings are so much fun
For sure!
my band uses this but a step and a half down
got the idea from mastodon and architects
works super well for doom and sludge
Nice!
Dude I love this shit! Keep it up with this stuff. Witch Finder General next
Thanks man!
This opens up some opportunities for some cool cluster chord shapes. May try this out.
Nice!
So it’s Bb Ab Db Gb Bb eb?
How would you finger power chords rooted in the sixth string?
And how would you finger power chords rooted in fifth string?
That's the tuning. I'm not sure what you're asking on the fingering. The way the tuning works your standard R5 power chord shape becomes an octave when rooted on the 6th string but remains a R5 when rooted on the 5th string.
@@DoesItDoom I misunderstood your usage of the term root 5. My understanding of saying root 6, root 5 etc is what string a chord has its root on. I didn’t realize you meant R5 as in the familiar power chord shape.
Anyways, I applied the principle; I took my standard tuning guitar and tuned the 6th string down to B to match the 2nd string. Now I can do nice low and chunky octave chords just by doing the familiar power chord on the 6th string. Love it, thanks for the video!
Conjurer use the same tuning but in C# Standard, so the low E is tuned to G#, it's pretty gnarly
Nice!
Did similar with A standard on the 6 strings and an A0 on the seventh string. Beast.
Nice!
Do you know if this tuning was used for Sign Of The Wolf? It’s one of my many favorites of off the debut.
I would need to check. I know Death Row uses this tuning for sure.
It was not used for wolf no. We play it E flat
Minnesota Pete Campbell h-hey, thanks Pete! If the winds would change I’ll make sure to see you guys live in the future, Mark my Words!! :)
I get the feeling Goatsnake use something similar.
The same tuning is used by Soundgarden on “searching with my good eye closed’.
And rusty cage and holy water
Torche/Floor does something like this, only dropped to A.
What are your thoughts on baritone guitars for Doom, Steve?
Never used a Baritone, but seems like a reasonable thing to do.
Wow! This is cool! Might have to give this a good ol try
Do it!
Btw I just bought an orange crush pro 120 head and I know you did a demo but what do you think about it? I mean would you record with it? I know Kirk windstein has been promoting it which helped influence me.
I think they are great amps for the price. Have used crush series amps to record countless lessons on the channel. Kirk doesn’t really use them at this point but he did try them for a little while.
My band and i have been playing this song incorrectly but we never noticed. We did most songs in C standard and dropped to Drop A# for the song
Would sound good regardless I’m sure!
hey dude, what's your opinion of Open D minor?
my uncle has this old dobro and its tuned to open D minor (my uncle doesn't allow me to change it to E standard) so i learned to play some things, like close voiced triads, how do i play doom with that tuning?
Have only played in that tuning for a short time on slide guitar. Trying to learn some Blind Lemon I think? It’s a cool sounding tuning. Dark. Only way to know is to experiment.
Awesome! Gonna try this tuning out 🤘
Give it a shot!
I love that tuning
So good.
Hell yeah great tuning to play in
Definitly!
@@DoesItDoom heard the new temple of the fuzz witch??
Fun little fact. Victor and I were listening to so old Van Halen demos and EVH used this tuning on a tune.
Nice! I’m curious what did you guys call this tuning?
@@DoesItDoom drop B lol. Nothing fancy
At least that's what it always said on setlist...."B Section" haha
I wanna say we did 3 in that section...Death Row, All your Sins, and something off Curious Volume maybe? Idk I just play drums haha
What VH song is in drop B?!?
I’ve done a couple videos on tunings like this as well. Super fun!
Now I’m in c standard with a drop f. This is outrageous.
Nice!
I also tune to C standard. If you want this tuning in C standard, then you will have to tune the low E string down to G, not F.
So it's like a 7 string without the low E string
Yes
Yup but you can get some really cool chords with it that are a lot harder to get with a 7. I use AGCFAD. I learned this tuning from March of the fire ants
yaaaaaaas, I LOVE this tuning, I go half step down then drop that shit to A#!
Heavy! 🤘🏻🐐
Used this timing for a while after wanting to do a half step variation of Rusty Cage and Prison Sex
Steve Brodsky of Mutoid Man/Cave In uses this tuning on all of Mutoid Man’s stuff and I think Big Riff by Cave In too. Tom Morello also uses it half a step up on some Rage/Audioslave stuff.
A good portion of Cave In's discography is in that tuning, They really like it
Just a question what tunning do Candlemass and Solitude Æturnus use???
Love it dude I’ve been playing this in drop b and I mean like slipknot plays. Which sounded good but didn’t quite match up thanks. Hey let’s get some crowbar lessons please.
Got a couple! Checkout the rest of the vids on the channel. Thanks man!
I ended up being very lucky and just happened to bw playing my 7 string when I was trying to figure out how to play it lol
Nice!
Could you please share the string gauge for such low tunings?
Checkout my Tuning Guide. It should answer all of your questions: www.doesitdoom.com/tuningguide
@@DoesItDoom thanks a lot
@@zaratihoviolato sure thing!
I’ve been doing this so that throughout my set I can continuously tune down song to song but not have to tune all my strings or change guitar, just to keep the beef and help it get heavier and heavier
Nice! It's a really heavy tuning.
Is all of Relentless in this tuning?
No, 3, maybe 4 song.
Wino from The Obsessed utilizes this tuning quite a bit as well
I always thought the self-titled, AKA Relentless, was in C# tuning and not Eb tuning. Good to know!
Sounds like that is a common misconception (since it would have made a lot of sense!)
I've been looking for a good video lesson for Relentless. Best I've been able to find ao far are covers and play alongs with zero insteuction. Unfortunately I'm just not good enough to pick out individual fretting positions while someone is playing, i dont know how people can do that, it has always baffled me. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Actually I found this tuning “by accident “ about a week ago, when testing my new old HM-2. Just put me straight in Entombed mode.
Greetings from Turkey!🤘
i do the same with b standard tuning and the 6th string down to f#. the octave is pure evil!
Nice!!
whats the string guage suggested for this type of tuning? 11 to 52s? cheers!
Well most of your guitar is just in Eb which I would use something like 10-46 for. The low Bb should probably be somewhere in the 58-62 range, at least for me. Victor did it at 10-46, but that low Bb is super loose (though it does produce a unique tone and vibrato)
Can you list this tuning steve
Listed in the description! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Bloody Brilliant!
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Great video thanks Steve 👍👌
Glad you liked it!
If you're talking about the drop C# tuning for "matching" the missing Eb references on regular chromatic tuners... I'm on to it ('been using that for a year, a year and a half). Didn't thought about dropping the 6th 3 whole tones though 😝 and I'm secretly hoping that it ain't gonna be as complicated as the "regular" Eb because that tuning warped my neurons a bit 🤣
Still blows my mind people were tuning that low back then.
Relentless came out in 1985. I wonder if anyone ever tuned this low prior??
@@DoesItDoom Well, the line up on Relentless was a band called Death Row up until '83 and I believe "All Your Sins" was already in their repertoire. I don't see it being impossible. Griffin can't be the first guy to have thought of that. And if he is, well that just goes to show they were true innovators. It would be a couple more years until Carcass came around playing in B standard. Many bands followed suite after that in many genres.
Matt Dee it was definitely a Death Row tune.
Lord Iommi tuned the whole guitar down to C# with .009 gauge strings in 1971 for the Masters of Reality album to ease the string tension on his damaged fingers. Not quite that low, but getting close.
@@davelanciani-dimaensionx yeah, that's probably the first time anyone tried.
🤘🤘🤘 great vid and band!
Glad you liked it!
Thank you very much for this , very helpful, I would like more video about Pentagram, I did many research about Victor Griffin but I never read that he used a distortion + , how did you find out? I an interview he said didn't use distortion pedal ,
I found this about his gear
VICTOR GRIFFIN’S GEAR
Guitars
1991 Gibson Les Paul Standard
1987 Gibson Les Paul Standard
1994 Gibson Les Paul Standard
1984 Gibson Les Paul Studio Standard
Amps
Laney Tony Iommi Signature TI100
3 Laney GH100L heads, modded by Voodoo Amps
3 Laney GH100TI Tony Iommi signature heads, modded by Voodoo Amps (all heads have Tung-Sol EL34B power tubes)
8 Fender Showman 412S cabinets
Effects
Carl Martin Boost Kick
Way Huge Angry Troll boost
Budda Budwah
Dunlop Q-Z1 Cry Baby Q-Zone fixed wah
Mooer Ana Echo delay
TC Electronic Flashback delay
American Loopers 8-channel programmable looper
Electro-Harmonix Nano Clone Chorus
Ernie Ball volume pedal
Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2
Voodoo Lab 4-channel Amp Selector
Korg Pitchblack tuner
Strings and Picks
D’Addario EXL125 sets (.009-.046)
Planet Waves American Stage cables
InTune heavy picks
I have an old Facebook Messenger conversation with him from about 5 years ago. I was asking him if he used a '78 Gibson The Paul and Sound City 120 heads on the Relentless record and also asked if he used any pedals. This is his response: "Hi Steve, Yes... that's what I used on the first album and also live for the first few years. The '79 Gibson The Paul which I still have and play live occasionally, 2 Sound City 120 heads, and 2 Ampeg SVT cabs. The only pedal I used was an MXR Distortion+ which I also still have but long since quit using. That's about it. Thanks for asking and hope to see you soon! Very best regards, Victor" Hope that helps!
@@DoesItDoom Cool! you conversed with him!
In an interview I read that he said this:
". I use boost pedals to push, because I don’t use any sort of distortion pedal for gain. I use the gain from the amps, because all the amps I use have a gain knob."
Not much gain out of those Sound City heads haha, at least nowhere near enough for Pentagram. I don’t know if they even had gain dials. Those Laney GH100TI amps (the old ones that were one channel) are a killer score if you can get one. I got one way below the price of what a similar Marshall or Peavey would cost. Victor has his own boost pedal now with Minotaur Sonic Terrors from Greece, it’s killer if you can get one.
Well damn. I wrote two songs in this tuning back in 2007
Then boost the mids and slice of the lows to sound like everyone else!
I'm pretty sure Kylesa uses this method too and maybe Slomatics but I could be wrong.
It's not the tuning Slomatics use, but not sure about Kylesa.
Sick mate!!!!
Thanks man
This is really cool, I’m gonna try it out ✌️
Awesome!
Zakk used this tuning on some of the early Black Label material
So with this tuning you can play regular power chord shapes?
Yes.
Love pentagram
Tool does this with Prison Sex and Parabola too but they keep it in E standard just dropping the low E string down to B.
Check out Lord Dying. They only play in this kind of drop tuning
Nice. Will do.