Konstantin Kisin: "I Am Definitely Not A Conservative"
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Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
Everyone who isnt a mentally ill degenerate is considered rightwing now.
Whether it is immigration or trangender debate or tax without practical alternative propositions opinions might as well be kept to oneself rather than sold in a book or podcast.
Then comments like; it is against the law, or being pro free speach are just sound bites and worse than at least a post modernist critique which by itself is also useless.
I think we gave reached a stage that unless these issue are discussed internationally then opinions remain tribal.
So, unless you have a solution to growing arriving number of immigrants in Europe, you can't just limit your position to that of it being illigal because the inferance then will be that home secretary should be allowed to let them drawn or get killed in some otherway.
@@ExiledGypsy, do you use any of the following (somewhat euphemistic) terms?
• gay
• homophobia/homophobe
• transphobia/transphobe
• trans-sexual
• transgender
• cis gender
• sex worker
• capitalism/capitalist
• any gender-specific pronoun other than he/she, him/her or his/her
Then CONGRATULATIONS - you are (either knowingly or unwittingly) a silly shill for the loony left!
If you say you're not a conservative but act like a conservative apologist, then it's a distinction without difference
"I hate Teams!" As someone in IT, I wholeheartedly agree.
Oh… he meant lowercase teams…
Chuckle
Hahaha
I don’t know how people can sit through meeting after meeting. The one I have to attend once a month pisses me off
@@ericanderson7346 the answer to that lies only within you, Eric. I’d suggest you look at exactly what is pissing you off, then make a decision as to whether it’s worth your time and energy getting pissed off about it.
You could treat meetings like dealing with “your” kid in daily life, some things are worth having an argument over and “putting your foot down”, so to speak, in other words: choose your battles.
I... actually like Teams
I’m not conservative, I just exclusively bash leftist positions while ignoring the idiocy of anyone on the right. It’s called being a classical liberal, get with the times Alex!
Except he doesn’t exclusively bash leftists while entirely ignoring the rights failures. You’ve fabricated this out of thin air
You're seething, friendo.
@@BWGmediaName an example where he critiques right wing
@@ollikoskiniemi6221 Do you know what seething means... friendo?
Where do all these losers come from? And why are they given attention? Almost none of these online talking heads have any academic credentials. They certainly don't publish their views in peer reviewed journals.
I'm proud of you for not giggling when he said he hates teams.
I wouldn't want to be in a club that would have me.
I hate teams, and I like being part of a team.
He was saying about the standard Left and Right, red and blue teams, rather than being on his own team and having his own views. It's called nuance.
I'm more of a Zoom person myself
Some people are critical thinkers.
He talks about being right wing conservative like Jordan Peterson talks about being an atheist.
Haha, I thought the same thing!
I agree, but I feel like every time I've seen KK talk, he says nothing and doesn't even pretend to have said anything. Like I watched the whole podcast with him and he has ZERO interesting points on anything. I don't like Douglas Murray, but he actually has opinions that he will defend. KK just fills space trying to sound reasonable while throwing bones to reactionary morons (e.g., in this clip saying that being left is being "anti-free speech").
@@AJ-hc5zoThere is a demonstrable alignment between modern censorship and the left. You would do well to reconcile yourself with the truth a little more
@@AJ-hc5zo Yes, KK and his gormless mate seem a bit like a pair of dave rubins and will happily regurgitate right wing talking points or lies without the slightest effort to look into the veracity of the claims they espouse.
They had David Packman on a while back and were attempting the whole biden-dementia schtick. Upon showing the clip of JB supposedly 'shaking hands with ghosts', Packman got them to watch the unedited wide shot which revealed a very different picture. It would have taken seconds to check this but they seem pretty disinterested in that which is actually true.
Not everyone can be a Jihadist
Wow, they talked about drugs for so long i'm surprised he didn't leave.
He is obsessed with drugs... and he actively dislikes you.
underrated comment
damn lmao, good one
@Native_Man123 Drugs are for people who have figured out life. People who understand they are mortal. And life is meaningless.
He sounds like a Libertarian or a One Nation Conservative... he doesn't talk about co-ops, unions or nationalisation
He may not be on the right, but he has built a very successful business pandering to the right.
It's the modern gold rush. :p
The right is just right it's the system to remove poverty just because it's not fast enough for some it's still the only way ever known to work it's not a debate all of history 10s of thousands of years of evidence
"Everyone who disagrees with what I believe is a conservative and they just want money." You just want to kick puppies, cute ones.
correct
@@vulkanofnocturne objectively Andrew is correct
Haha, but when push comes to shove, Kisin will side with conservatives on social conservative reactionism the same people that oppose everything else he supposedly believes in.
Well, yeah. When they agree.
@@Perditions he clearly prioritizes socially conservative cultural perspectives over those that would put him in common with him on the centre and left. He’s no Matt Walsh, but every other video at least is about woke. He can hardly defend himself lol I don’t think he even believes himself.
@@SpecialK234 He always seemed center left to me. He's probably pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. What's a stance a person in the center might have?
@@Perditions most lgbt folks like myself wouldn’t consider being pro LGB but sawing off trans people or more so trans youth, as pro lgbt.
I don’t think he’s evil or anything, but he falls on the cultural right. His likeminded folks who agree with him on trans but disagree with him where he is okay with gay marriage etc, he will only put up the mildest response to those people.
I appreciate he tries sometimes, but those who agree with him on the cultural right also want extreme social conservative policy and he doesn’t have much to say about that. Being okay with gay marriage isn’t really enough without any other work to back it up.
@@SpecialK234 I think, definitionally, sawing off the T makes a person not LGBT friendly. There are feminists (terfs) and gays that would saw off that T. You have to realize, many liberals became right-wing (in your eyes) very quickly in the past decade. And they probably still consider themselves progressive regardless of your assessment.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying, he won't push back against anti-gay sentiments? I think anti-gay sentiment in the West is too rare to address; I mean it's not topical.
"He tries sometimes." I think he's trying all the time... To talk to people, ask questions, and add his two cents. "He tries sometimes" makes it sound like he's hiding his true thoughts. It sounds like you think he's a grifter.
"When push comes to shove." so much of what you're saying suggests you think he's hiding his true thoughts. That he's a dishonest actor.
I dunno. I'm sorry I wasted your time.
I saw the entire interview some months ago. But, this was a great clip that you chose to upload. And a great portion of the conversation for me to revisit.
Thank you!
What a great conversation by two articulate young men. Peter Hitchens could learn a thing or two from this and not walk out in a huff because things weren’t going his way!!
@@Besthinktwice Kisin is doing the exact same “classical liberal” grift sargon used to do, that’s why.
Young? Konstantin is over 40
Peter Hitchens is too busy actively disliking them.
@@Nicholas-Prince-Milverton At 73 he is young to me!!🤣
@@brianmusson2789 🤣🤣🤣
Lots of suggestions from Konstantin as to how he is supporting Left policies. He is in favour of redistribution and a welfare state but reducing the tax burden. But when push comes to shove, does he support redistribution when it increases the burden on the wealthy? Nothing Konstantin has said on tax and spending indicates any real support for a functioning welfare state or the idea that "markets can't solve everything".
"I hate teams." Next breath - "I like being part of a team..." 🙄
Keep going. ‘Being part of a team he’s chosen to be a part of’ He’s talking about not being tribal, putting himself in a box vs letting others do that. Huh given the context he makes a pretty good point, but go off and try to get your dunk I guess purposefully quote mining while ignoring his actual point
This is such a nothing comment - taking something out of context and purposefully misinterpreting their argument in order to attack them is a sign of low intelligence. If you had any academic, political or philosophical integrity then you would attack one’s argument at its strongest. Shame.
What an awful take.
Guys, try to criticise me all you want, but he straight up contradicted himself. Don't pretend that he didn't. Finish the sentence after "..." if you like. Doesn't change a thing.
Also, I didn't quote mine (I didn't even watch the show) and I didn't misrepresent anything.
Any of you seriously going to tell me that I'm wrong? That he didn't contradict himself?
7:47: "The point of Triggonometry is to provide balance. Not that we need to keep our own show balanced, it's perfectly fine to be heavily biased to the right to offset the heavy leftward bias in the MSM. (Even though our audience never watches the MSM, and only watches us and similar shows, so we're not providing balance to them at all.)
6:50: Oh yeah, all my leftist homies agree that if you believe in free speech, you're on the rightwing. All my homies hate free speech. It's a completely reasonable characterization of us.
5:33: "These are all very American conversations, abortion is a settled issue in this country. So it's irrelevant. But, if it _weren't_ settled, I would think it's more ethical to severely pull back rights to abortion."
Yeah, abortion was settlsd in the US. Until it wasn't. UK was in the EU... until it wasn't. Nothong is for ever on the human world.
It's a balanced show, they've had Nigel Farage on it like 5 or 6 times and had Matt Goodwin on rambling about IQ and Eugenics.
@@geeman.8081 Oh, for a second I thought you were serious about it being balanced 🤣
@@dant3175 it's easy scam to see through. It's the money plan established by such "leftist" people like Dave Rubin.
The only balance that show has is between pure monetary gain and pure propaganda.
It’s quite ridiculous to claim he hates tribalism when you consider what is happening on trigonometry. Arguably he is profiting of divisiveness.
Is divisiveness when people dont agree with you?
I've just clicked on his channel, the most recent guests appear to be: Sam Harris, Aella, Eric Weinstein, Dr Sydney Watson, Bill Maher and Douglas Murray. Which tribe would you say they are all in?
@@jpa_fasty3997 Are you implying Jewishness or somthing?
@@Bob-t4g7w Haha :)
Such is the difficulty of written communication I'm not sure if that is an ironic statement or if you're genuinely asking. If it's the latter, no, I'm suggesting they don't fit neatly into any tribe.
@@jpa_fasty3997 Schizo Centrist. Eric Weinstein is a certified nut. Sam Harris loves to do a mutilated duck measuring contest every time the word “Muslim” is in the news cycle. Bill Maher is the most vapid contrarian out there, an idiots idea of what a smart person is. I recently saw a Douglas Murray interview with Alex O’Conner, he’s quite embarrassing imo.
Not sure how Konstantin defines "conservative," but going on lengthy rants about people being "woke" or whatever definitely makes him reactionary.
*edit* -- For anyone who thinks "woke" is a useful or consistent term, look at the diversity of definitions given in just this little thread:
- "reactionary"
- "a culture of judging someone's talents and abilities based on skin colour and gender"
- "discrimination and prejudice"
- "the division of people based on their immutable characteristics"
- "the misapprehension that [segregating people in terms of race, gender, or sexuality is] the moral thing to do"
- "a quasi-Marxist claim that there are the oppressed and the oppressors"
- "identity politics and junk theories such as critical race theory"
- "a set of beliefs disconnected from objective reality"
*second edit* - I'm honestly shocked by the virulent, reactionary sentiment in Alex's audience! They're all "woke!" this and "marxism!" that. I would have expected far better. This thread is like hanging out with your Boomer parents while Fox News blares in the background. Oh well.
I don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but this way of thinking truly is a form of brain-rot. It saddens me that so many people on Alex's channel seem to think this way. The ideology associated with 'wokeness' is the opposite of progress. Anybody that wants to see positive change in the world ought to oppose it and call out its excesses. To say that those who criticise it are reactionary is short-sighted, because 'wokeness' does not represent any form of human progress. Quite the opposite. It is anti-intellectual, dogmatic, anti-fairness, anti-equality, pro-equity drivel. Konstantin has it right -- to criticise it -- because it is already pervading the way people speak and operate in the world. And not for good. You only have to take one look at a US or UK university to see this.
@@jpa_fasty3997 >"I don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but this way of thinking truly is a form of brain-rot."
Oh, well as long as you're _nicely_ saying my brain is rotting that's ok!
>"The ideology associated with 'wokeness' is the opposite of progress."
Nonsense. And speaking of brain-rot, you're simply regurgitating anti-left propaganda, here.
>"To say that those who criticise it are reactionary is short-sighted, because 'wokeness' does not represent any form of human progress."
So you assert. Here's a funny thing about your comment: Like all of the other reactionary dupes, you can go on at length describing "wokeness" with a litany of unpleasant adjectives but you don't bother to say what "wokeness" actually _is._
Define "wokeness," if you can.
Woke is reactionary. It's undoing decades of progress. Martin Luther King's dream of a world where the content of one's character is what matters is the polar opposite of woke.
@@axelbruv Define "woke," if you can.
@@shassett79 I can. It's a culture of judging someone's talents and abilities based on skin colour and gender. Discrimination and prejudice, essentially. Can you?
“The religious left” ☠️
What? These collectivist ideologies like Marxism, fascism, national socialism are considered modern religions
@@mrsentencename7334no. They're not 😂 not by any definition. It's just asserted by people who have no real arguments.
@@sigmascrubhe literally explains in the video how they can be seen as religions -.- but sure pretend he didn’t
@@sigmascrub I’ve read alot of historical and modern literature on the topic, something tells me you mr sigma, is the one who doesn’t know the subject
@@mrsentencename7334and all you have to do for those things to be religion is to completely change the definition of religion to one that is not widely used.
I have this conversation too often especially online. Contrarian thought, and critical thinking has been replaced by the status quo. It’s right we can’t question it. And if I do I’m mislabeled every distasteful name in the book for not submitting to the hive mind. Yeah GTFO with that garbage.
is the hive mind in the room with us?
@@JGarcia-yr9fx One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us.
I've always struggled to identify what's 'left' about Kisin's policies.
Did you not listen to what he said in the video? He said he was in favour of drug legalisation, abortion rights, redistribution of wealth and a welfare state.
@@LeeStoneman Precisely. Most people don't have a 'check all the boxes' set of beliefs that adhere to one political extreme. Especially if they live in a time when the definitions of political factions ebb like we have today. Some people will adopt new values to closer align to some perception of morality, especially in times like ours where people are very polarized. But that's a reaction to the system and not an individual's general default.
This is what happens when you comment without watching the video
@@LeeStonemanbeing in favor of abortion and weed legalisation in the UK are ot exclusively a left wing policies. These are actually quite popular with Conservatives his age and younger. As far as "redistribution of wealth and the welfare state" we need détails cause only hardcore Conservatives are completely against taxation and any social program and they're a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of the population. For instance, Rishi Sunak did the furlow scheme, does it make him a centrist? There's universal credit and other benefits under a Tory government, does it make them "centrists" as well?
Comments are the complete opposite of what I was expecting. Apart from being slightly less bothered about immigration, my views align with what KK said here and I view myself as Left-wing. It would seem these days that the litmus test of your political position is whether you're critical of the excesses of the Left or not. If you spend a lot of time bashing 'wokeness' you are right wing and if you spend your time repeating slogans that are devoid of nuance and based on half-truths, you're a true Lefty. Since Alex is fairly intellectual, I'd assume his audience would be too. On that point, I'm not sure why anyone of an intellectual persuasion would want to align themselves with the current Left, since it is ardently anti-intellectual. Yet to think freely is to be called Right-wing because you actually arrive at some uncomfortable conclusions when you follow the logic, rather than your emotions and surface-level 'empathy'.
Hence why it's increasingly being compared to a religion. Lots of stuff that comes out of the current left is dogmatic and vapid. Had the same reaction reading the comments. Didn't know Alex's audience was so full of midwits.
The left is most definitely not anti-intellectual. The reason so many ridiculous far-left views has survived is precisely because they're propagated by intellectuals, a profession which consists of an infinite amount of freedom and a non-existing amount of responsibility.
@@etrs 'Intellectual' being all things pertaining to the pursuit of knowledge, truth and analysis. Not 'intellectual' in the sense of ''well ackshully I've got a PhD in intersectional gender studies of transembryonic west africans and its relation to ancient egyptian feminism''. It absolutely is anti-intellectual in the sense that the exploration of certain things is prohibited, following data to a natural conclusion is prohibited. It's anti-intellectual in the sense you have to accept certain dogmatic ideas without question. I could go on, but you get my point. By the way... both of your comments @etrs and @MrPlatonist are hidden by TH-cam. I had to switch to 'Newest First' to view them.
I had a very similar reaction reading the comments.
The left is anti-intellectual how? You mean some random lefty college students have slogans you don't like? The right-wing which is anti-climate change, still waiting for trickle-down economics, anti-science "establishment", anti-academia, and empowers evangelicals (see the current speaker of the house).
This dude is progressive af… if this was the 50s.
Try 2012
Yeah try 2012. Or Russia. Or most of the world, for that matter. Seriously, try getting outside of the west and seeing what most people's views are.
Come to Siberia, or the notorious strip, my love, I’ll show you the Middle Ages in 2023
I don´t think he ever said he was progressive, so I don´t think this is the "own" that you think it is. He just said he had some progressive opinions, which he then listed. He could have lied of course, but unless you have proof that he did so, I don´t really get what your issue is. Having said that, his show is certainly right-leaning, and some of the names on their guest list are suspect to say the least.
LMFAO 😂
This conversation gets to the heart of something i have thought for a long time, namely that there is no single party or 'team' that represents my views.
I think that climate change is important but the green team refuse to embrace nuclear power.
I believe that the rule of law of integral to society but the blue team help their mates in the city escape justice.
I believe in a market economy, but sometimes there is a natural monopoy (health, water, rail)
It's like there needs to be a more direct democracy where pople get to have their say on many different issues, rather than picking a team to represent their views.
i do not understand why people think nuclear is green energy. it uses a non-renewable resource to produce waste that can't even be handled for tens of thousands of years.
I think the perception of the problem gets magnified by assuming, "If I am for x, then the other party must, of some necessity, be -x". If I am pro-environment, the other side must be anti-environment, for example. This is a simplistic and faulty logic. People who are decent and just and good will do good and reasonable things, you really don't have to worry much about that. The problem is that most people are not GOOD.
I really wonder how many people think this way, because I feel the same way and I find it so outrageous to think anyone could say they're on the left or right. Especially when they seem to be able to shift to the other side so easily after they disagree with a couple bad actors on their chosen sides.
There's so much nuance involved that I couldn't possibly say I'm one or the other but I certainly have views that are all over the political spectrum.
What are some of your leftist political views?
If only the left would practice what they preach..but they don't.
It's a hive mindset and if you're not with them, you're against them.
This man is so similar to my political position it's insane.
I hate teams. I like being part of a team that I've chosen to be part of.
Konstantlin Griftin
its this though.
Is Alex a grifter in relation to the atheistic community?
Can somebody help me understand how the decriminalization of drugs will lead to less drug use/drug addiction? My current view is that decriminalization will introduce _more_ drugs into society and people that would have otherwise avoided doing the criminal act of purchasing drugs would now be more susceptible to developing a drug addiction because it's legal.
To my understanding, the point of decriminalizing drugs isn't to make fewer people use it, but to make using it safer. When you don't have to get your weed from a dealer but can get it from a store, you aren't going to get something unclean that further hurts the body. And if you are addicted, it'll be easier to get help, because the substance you're addicted to isn't illegal. Also, drug-related arrests are disproportionally used as a way to arrest minorities, and that wouldn't be possible if they were legal. It follows a similar logic to "Making alcohol illegal just creates a black market for it, rather than stopping people from drinking".
Konstantin was building a following but seemed to explode in popularity after some viral video. I haven't actually heard him say anything uniquely insightful. Just the same stuff you hear a hundred other similar dudes say. Maybe even he is shocked with his new gained popularity. He sometimes seems a little in over his head.
Nothing against the guy though. I sometimes agree, sometimes disagree with him, same as everyone!
There's a good discussion of his popularity explosion and his reaction to it in the podcast "Decoding the Gurus", Episode 83, "Triggernometry's Big Moment: Entering the Guru Galaxy".
Decoding the Gurus is great
Actually I don’t believe he’s trying or indeed needs to be insightful, as you say. What he is able to do very well is question the views of others and explore what makes them tick. As for the viral video you mention, he spoke very well at the Oxford Union on Woke attitudes to climate change and others which many people appreciated. That said, thanks for turning up and I look forward to hearing your own insightful insights one day.
@@MS-sb9ov pretty sure I'll never have any worth broadcasting 😅
he articulate it really good. Thats the point. and there is not too much dudes say it that way. not in mainstream.
This guy has made a career out of speaking about 'wokeness' what a bore.
@sg23148why do you need it defined for you? It's quite obvious what people mean
Don't see what's 'bore' about standing up to concentration camps, degeneration and anti-science.
@sg23148 you don't offer much to the discussion do you
Nothing wrong with calling out racism and sexism
@@randomusername3873 but there is alot wrong with misrepresentation, distortions and false accusations
He didn't have time in this interview to drill down into specifics. But, being a conservative, I believe, IN GENERAL, people are responsible for their actions. I HAVE MANY situations where the philosophy needs to be adjusted for one situation or another. My one belief is never say never and never say always. Life is ALMOST never that clear. BUT, most times, the first impression is right. NOT ALWAYS but most times!
Yeah I agree with that. In my view conservatives generally focus almost exclusively on individualistic solutions whereas the left look to societal solutions.
So for example on the issue of drugs conservatives tend to offer solutions like "stop taking drugs" whereas the left tend to focus on more societal changes such as decriminalisation, access to support etc
If it quacks like a duck...
If he's not a Conservative - why does almost everything he says sound like a Tory talking point? I'm sure he thinks of himself as a centrist. I've found that centrists are generally just "shy Tories" because when you push them on anything the Tory talking points all come out
You're right, everyone who is not a clear Marxist is a Tory and can only have beliefs unique to one point on the British political spectrum of 2023
If having balanced views is being a raging kkk member then I'm afraid most people are.
@@ZipMapp no one's saying he's a KKK member lol what are you talking about
@@matt69nice That's basically the implications because there's apparently no distinction between a centrist and a right wing conservative.
The Tories ain't even conservatives anymore, they are like Labour painted blue.
Being much older than either of you two, born late fifties. Raised in the fun times of the 60s & 70s by Christian, conservative leaning😅 parents. I never thought the right to state your opinion freely, 1st amendment, was associated left or right. I associate it with intelligence.
Well put. I remember 20 years ago when the left were champions of free speech. I've seen oppressive, totalitarian thinking from the left and right; it's just that the recent left, based on social justice theory, is inspired by Marxist philosophy that has destroyed what the left once was.
In another 20 years it could very well being the right doing this again.
Good people do good things. It follows naturally. The key is, are we good people?
Never heard of this guy before but didn't seem to be saying anything particularly new or interesting. Just rattled off his views on a range of topics, without offering much insight
I live in Boston. Everyone who jumped the line to get in - is being rewarded w housing and benefits over those who try to come legally and certainly over US citizens who apply for those same housing slots who have been waiting years. It's wrong.
konstantin is doing us all a big service by being so vocal against wokeness and political correctness while not being a raging right-winger.. we get so entrenched in our own view it's difficult to realize anyone you don't agree with on one topic isn't necessarily working for the enemy.. when you think about it everyone is on a political spectrum. Not a single person is 100% left or 100% right(despite what they might believe themself), why do we judge people's on a few idea while dismissing the others? we think it's effective to cancel peoples but if you think about it you can only cancel someone from your own camp, so doing so mean you lose supporter literally.
To those of you who can't stand this man(and I can see there are many), what are the points he makes which you disagree with and what do the opinions he holds make you feel about him and his intentions? I'm genuinely curious.
Mf hosts a podcast called triggernometroy
I think his Oxford speech on the poorer countries not caring about climate change is a bit disingenuous.
He points out we need immigration controls, but as poorer countries suffer more effects of climate change in the way of droughts/floods and how this may lead to more migration from these countries maybe it should be in his interest to alleviate this problem?
He points out also that if climate change is real then we'll invent something to correct it. (Thats a simplification of what he said but that was also the jist of it)
Sounds very like wishful thinking.
Also doesn't point out that many of the people that back him have no real interest in developing infrastructure that would cope with things like floods and droughts.
Many places in Britain get flooded. Him and his backers have no interest in funding infrastructure because that's tax money.
@@geeman.8081 thanks for the write up. I couldn't be bothered last night but you do a good job showing his wish washyness and hypocrisy
@@geeman.8081What makes you that “people that back him” (whatever that means) have no interest in funding solutions to climate change?
@@geronimojones2what’s your point?
I've seen this gentleman in many different media sessions and one things that we've seen over and over again is he's not principally consistent...
He wants to support all the policies and social norms of a label but he doesn't want to be labeled.
ALL social policies of what? What exactly makes him Conservative in your book?
@@mr.centrist5789 dont bother, people can literally watch a guy say he's pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-drug, and anti-gun, yet still call him a conservative. Joe Rogan is a 2-time Bernie supporter and he's constantly called a right-wing extremist.
Even without blonde hair he gives Gareth out of The Office
That's it then? The old team on the scrapheap?
@@jpa_fasty3997 All that training in the army (territorial) gone to waste. He used to be fine with teams. As long as he could be the leader.
Of it.
To all of Alex's left and or far left listeners, is it really impossible for you to conceive of a centrist that might talk about issues with the left wing primarily because they see the extreme left as the greater threat to society at large?
Is it really impossible for a person who is not right wing to be highly concerned with extreme left-wing ideology?
Some of you need to just grow up and learn to look at politics as more than a simple black and white / good and evil narrative where " liberal" is always good and "conservative" is always bad. Politics is far more complicated than that. If you are liberal and you cannot think of ANY examples of a conservative being correct or hold zero conservative opinions or if you are conservative and cant think of any liberal ideas that are valuable, then you are not a serious person. You are outsourcing your thinking to an ideology that does all your thinking FOR you and, in that sense, are little more than a tool for that ideology.
Imagine a centrist in Germany in the late 30s was concerned because of the rise of right wing extremism in their country, but whenever they critiqued the extreme right they were always just accused of being a "marxist" to try and discredit them with the intellectuals. And any time the centrist tried to defend themselves from the accusation, all their critics would say are "really?! Then why do you spend all your time going after the extreme right?!?!"
Because the truth is, nearly anyone outside of far left echo chambers is aware of how radical and ridiculous the far left has become. Many people who used to be proud to call themselves liberals feel like they don't fit anymore because it has changed so radically in the last 10 or so years.
If you cannot admit that, you're not paying attention, being deliberately ignorant, aren't a serious thinker, or else are so biased and caught in your own echo chamber that its blinded you to any reality outside your ideology.
It's perfectly possible to view the issues of the left as the greater threat to society at large. You just have to be an enormous dumbass first.
Tories have been in charge since 2010. Some angry anarchist at a campus somewhere isn't what's driving poverty and starvation.
That's a separate question because he *is* sufficiently right leaning that calling him a centrist isn't really accurate. For a person who is actually a centrist, that depends on what you mean by 'extreme left-wing'. Most centrists recognise that concerns about the left are over-egged by the media, to be genuinely concerned about 'extreme' left-wing ideology is to have no perspective or sense of proportionality, and to be controlled by fears that the media has placed in your mind.
@@matt69nice I disagree. I'm pro choice, pro public option healthcare, pro free speech, pro gay rights, and have a slew of "left" leaning opinions but I'm also against the extreme cultural theories and obsessions of far left extremists. I'm against their pro censorship attitudes, their illogical ideas about policing and crime, their extremist anti-capitalist messaging as well as others.
I think, if anything, most media downplays the effect that the far left has had on our culture. Every major corporation has to, or at least has to pretend to, be in line with far left cultural values and promote their ideological narratives about race, gender, colonialism, "oppression", and other concerns. Nearly all major news outlets parrot these concerns and agree with these far left narratives. The only major news outlets that dare to buck this orthodoxy are the explicitly right wing ones like Fox.
You may not agree that the far left poses a threat to society at large but that doesn't mean that anyone who does is a "conservative". Not that that would necessarily be a bad thing. There are plenty of rational conservative thinkers. But people, like me, who hold many non conservative opinions are sick of being pigeon holed as "conservatives" as a method of de-egitimizing our criticism of the far left. Because we are aware that to many left wing "intellectuals" all you have to do to stop someone else from being taken seriously is to convince your followers that the opposing voice is "conservative" and then you're audiences' mind will be closed to them.
This happens the other way around, of course, but I tend to agree with Konstantine that it's a bigger issue with the left because they have more power, more influence, they are in control of the institutions that teach the next generation, and it seems like young radicals are particularly closed minded to listening to opposing viewpoints. They seem almost proud of it, like a strange sense of moral "purity" for being closed off from other ideas.
And imo, Konstantine holds opinion from both sides of the political spectrum. I think his concern for far left ideology makes him sympathetic to conservative voices but that doesn't make him conservative...
He bucked conservative orthodoxy when he criticized Matt Walsh for attacking Dylan Mulvaney so harshly. He got a lot of shit from conservatives for disagreeing with them about the war in Ukraine. He's pro choice. He's not religious. He's pro gay rights. If you actually listen to him you'd know he's not the type to automatically agree with a right wing opinion.
I think many of his critics have only heard his conservative takes and then base their entire assessment of his worldview on those opinions. I see people do this often on both sides. The second anyone says anything liberal they're a "libtard" "woke" whatever. And then the second anyone says anything slightly conservative they're "alt right" "Nazi" whatever. And it's legitimate to be concerned about far left and right ideology but we cannot base our assessment of people off of only the things we disagree with them on.
"To all of Alex's left and or far left listeners, is it really impossible for you to conceive of a centrist that might talk about issues with the left wing primarily because they see the extreme left as the greater threat to society at large? "
No, but Konstantin simply doesn't fit this description. He should first acknowledge that he is right wing. Then he can talk about the problems of the far left to his heart's content.
@@Besthinktwice that sounds just like bias speaking to me. If you think the extreme left cannot be a threat... That's a you problem.
Im so done with the post-covid corporate landscape. When he opened with "I hate teams", i thought he said "I hate Teams".
I noticed that he has a hesitancy and avoidance of even being labelled as "conservative" or "right wing", which was telling in how he lays out a view on immigration that he thinks is reasonable, but is then flabbergasted that it's considered "right wing". Could it be because of a bias towards considering the "right wing" as inherently unreasonable? That's pretty interesting to observe from someone who claims to be not of any particular affiliation.
how many more liberals have to leave the Democratic Party in order for you to realize the left is totally evil?
and sure, the establishment right-wing parties are also extremely corrupt bit they are all so disgusting, pathetic and hated by their own people, conservatives would rather have a damn leftist in charge of the country than a traitor "conservative".
all conservative personalities HATE the establishment GOP in the US.
you think any conservative likes that pig Chris Christie or Nikki Haley?
how about UK?
who the hell likes Rishi Sunak?
who on the right liked Theresa May? or that other buffoon David Cameron?
as a conservative, I would rather vote for damn Bernie Sanders or get myself locked inside jail than have Mitt Romney or Bush as president of US.
Comments section reveal a lot about the mindset of liberals of youre not completely on the elft youre a fascist right winger in that sense I too am a fascist right winger despite believing in action against climate change, despite believing in a welfare state but idrc what liberals think of me😂
"I don't know what being on the right means anymore"
Right Wing = "I'll take care of me and my family, you take care of yours, the strongest will survive."
Left Wing = "Let's all take care of each other so that everyone can thrive together."
When you understand that "left" and "right" are instincts not just labels or political parties, you realise why they can't all get along.
its really not that easy. Rightwing need cooperation to. every civilization does. the strongest survive is more like some african country.
@@pavelvalenta2426 Don't confuse cooperation with subordination. The Right Wing are typically the ruling class, the wealthy, the powerful .
The instincts of the left are to share, the instincts of the right are to take. Selfishness is the core ethos of the Right Wing.
If 10 people are in a group, 9 of them are lefties, one of them is Right Wing, the 9 will share, the 1 will take and as a result, the 1 will end up with the resources, the 9 will then slaves or in modern times employees (which is just a nicer term).
@@TheDandonian i think the left 9 want to take from the one person. Person woth money and skill. But ať the end they go out of money of other people or destroy their motivation. And than ekonomy fail. It happen all the time with comunism. Its not work anywhere. Like you need to have it balanced. The inovative people, entrepreneurs are the people who push the economy. And you need to have good environment for bussines. Than you can redistribute some of the wealth they generate. But the best distribution is through good salary of capable employes whose made money for the company. Not through wellfare. So right maybe dont want to share, they want you to elevate yourselves not to beg, but to earn your money and respekt. Because that made everyone stronger and it made strong country. That is why us is strongest economy on the world... but yeah top percentage dokud share more, nothing against it.
This is such an unbelievably bad faith definition of what it means to be right wing
@@ddandymann It's precisely what it means to be right wing. Selfishness is the core principle. Self 1st vs Society 1st. Pick any topic in politics, then look at it from a "What is the most selfish response to this topic"... and that's where you'll find the Right Wing.
What an entry ...
At 0:11
*_First of all, I hate teams. I like being part of a team that I've chosen to be part of._*
Only a so-called _reasonable_ centrist and a comedian could say such a thing.
Speaking of comedian, it reminds of a quote often attributed to *_Groucho_** Marx* who was an American comedian, actor, writer, and singer who performed in film, television, radio, stage, and vaudeville from the 1920's to the late 50's.
It goes something like this :
*_I Don’t Want to Belong to Any Club That Will Accept Me as a Member._*
one of the few commenters who understood the comedy haha
@@th3nobodi3
He's not voluntarily a comedian.
He just made one of most stupidest opening.
Notice the self-deprecation of Groucho's quote.
Notice how self infatuated his opening looks when juxtaposed with Groucho's quote.
Because what he is saying is essentially, I will chose a team that is good enough for my personal standards and is representative of me. And teams are not good enough for me.
Groucho means by accepting him they show that their standards are so low that he doesn't want to be part of it.
@@th3nobodi3
Basically, I understood the irony, not the comedy, of the situation.
The second sentence is a qualifying statement rather than a contradiction. He means he hates being assigned a team that he hasn't chosen and doesn't identify with
@@duncanh95I don’t get why this is so hard for them to understand? I guess if you just want to beat up straw men and that’s all you can manage then it makes sense
I definitely don't have a cat as my profile picture.
Bill Hicks and George Carlin would still through Konstantin's BS quickly.
"Always looking in the mirror" style politics... is why so many people with a 'conservative attitude and traditional values',
are terrified of being labelled 'rightwing' because it is considered backward, non-contemporary and not youthful.
They care more about their outward appearance ( virtue signalling ) than having authentic,
steadfast standards. To be seen as youthful, you must have left leaning political views. And 'youth' is everything of value in the West.
This is the moral malaise Westerners currently find themselves... and without the possibility of a cure.
Because he isn't
He may not be conservative but he’s way more lenient to the right than the left because it’s the only way to keep the whole centrist thing going.
So he's conservative who like weed....
I started out being quite impressed with Kisin but he’s got his bias and like Douglas Murray knows how to talk the talk.
Are you no longer impressed? Not an argument just curious
Who doesn't have a bias? Alex is obviously biased himself.
This guy is the overton window in motion
It's like one of those new cars where it doesn't even have a handle, you can just push a button to roll the window -down- to the right
If i like drugs im a leftist, if i dislike immigration im a rightist. Labels are so confusing guys 🙂
Opposite of conservative is not liberal, but radical. Opposite of liberal is not conservative, but authoritarian. I consider myself as a liberal conservative. Wrap your heads around that.
Amazing how my own view on things, is totally in line with what Konstantin expresses! Come to Norway and be our King & President Konstantin :)
@@GM-qz9fo leftist arguing about cults? My god...
Left: material basis for horizontal power structures.
Right: social basis for vertical power structures.
This describes nearly every left-right divide without appealing to cultural relativity. Conservative and progressive are the terms that signal cultural relativity.
I seem to be watching so many podcasters who are interviewing other podcasters lately.
They just seem to be feeding of each other and not talking people outside of their own Petri dish.
@dant3175 it's not that Konstantin is not interesting, and it may be just a coincidence that I saw him interviewed by another podcast recently, who not long had been on trigonometry recently as well.
I would rather see Alex interview philosophers or theists or scientists .
@dant3175 I find political discussion is more practical as in it has eeal world effects , philosophy though important is more navel gazing and rarely solves our really important issues.
If you get your politics from Trigonometry, you are dangerously misinformed.
Careful how you manage your platform, Alex. Last thing I want is this podcast becoming yet another space for conservatives to come and launder their reputation.
You're the kind of person we can do without in society. If it hurts you sm that opposing sides come together to discuss in a civil fashion, go live in a cave. Interestingly, you don't seem interested in change. If you did, you should want convos.
@@pythondrink k
Why do these right wing grifters never just own they are right wing?
This guy is 100% correct to say he would be "center left" in the USA. The folks on the further reaches of the left have a tendency to view everything to the right of them as "right wing" without a realistic view as to how left they themselves are.
I don’t have much reasons to trust that guy.
If you don’t trust him then he’s good enough for me
He hasn't asked you to trust him.
Do you have blue hair by any chance?
@@RyanJones-ew8vmhe clearly has bias. Look he he bought on to talk about israel/ Palestine. No other than Douglas murray😂😂. At least accept that you should try to get accurate historical facts from his channel
@@MH-bf4uu what are you actually talking about? "He has bias" no shit Sherlock! Everyone is bias🤣
His basic grasp here is just incorrect. Left and right aren’t teams, they’re descriptive. He’s conflating the political spectrum with political parties.
The immigration issue puts him on the right as far as it goes not because caring about immigration is rightwing but because framing it as a security issue that’s of dire importance is simply a lazy, slanted, reactionary opinion. The reality behind immigration goes unremarked upon in lieu of dramatic fear mongering. Most people in the country illegally didn’t sneak in through a border, they overstated a visa, meaning they were vetted to come here so it isn’t a security issue. A lot of them are also children, not to mention migrant workers that our economy depends on. Framing it as an exaggerated matter of fairness and security while ignoring the nuance of the issue and the fact that our immigration policy is already draconian and unnecessary simply is right wing.
I like Alex o Connor, but don't get me wrong he's not in with the times.
What he is doing I find it childish and outdated at best.
His interview with Douglas Murray is the best though.
Yeah course
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, are you VEGAN? 🌱
no way this guy is 40 years old
@sg23148 he looks late 20s to me
There are two worldviews, the Christian worldview following the revelation from our Creator in the Holy Scriptures,and there’s the secular worldview ( rebellion against God’s law)that only leads to chaos and misery.
Really appreciate you giving us a view of these folks, gotta hold them under the microscope and I see you doing that, Alex
Ethnic non westerners?
Ethnic people who migrate to Britain as children but grow up to or be progressives? Not sure what you mean by holding him under a microscope. I like how much he cares about western values like freedom of speech, democracy and morals. If you’re implying he’s an evil conservative who needs exposing, you’re wildly misinformed or a bit afraid of opinions that don’t match your own. Cringe.
@@xiaomoogle I'm sure only thing that distinguished the west is democracy (still debatable). As far as freedom of speech and morals are concerned, there still is some colossal work to be done.
@@anonymousman4419 as opposed to what, anywhere in the non west. It's non debatable that you have more freedom in the UK and the US, western Europe, Australia etc that you do anywhere else in the world.
Do you seriously think that the middle east, Africa, eastern Europe have a better quality of life than the above mentioned?
@@Demonico-j7x I don't know how quality of life is relevant to this discussion. However, you're wrong about freedom of speech in the West. There are some things you can not talk about in France, the UK or the USA without subsequent bad consequences. You can not even criticise the flaws of democracy. You can't discuss homosexually. You can not manifest skepticism with respect to a certain statistic relevant to WW2. You can't be sexist (the word is now considered a bad thing)
These types of people think they are politically centre but are very vocal about their right wing views
To be centre is just to be for the current status quo. Which at the moment is quite right wing. So yeah he's right wing.
@@xScazza Bullshit, the left wing are CLEARLY the establishment dominating the government and institutions as well as the the cultural wars.
This is the same thing our right wing party leader says in Canada. "What's right wing or left wing, What's populism?". He knows exactly what he is, it's just the latest conservative spin. "I don't see political positions". Only a right winger would do that and people with BPD.
Woke
@@charlesbrown4941dumbass
I agree with most of what Konstantin says.....it's just that in today's bi-polar world we are so sensitive to anything that would identify others as belonging to a particular group. Thinking things out for yourself is now so old fashioned. It's either press button "A" or button "B"......
yeah I hate this too.. it makes people stupid they just go with whatever side they are on instead of thinking
The idea that there is even a 'left' or 'right' is inherently damaging to political discourse. Politics is complicated and it's just not as simple as thinking one way or another.
I dislike the term 'centrist' entirely. Many people I know equate it with having no backbone or clear stance. The notion of rigid left and right in politics is flawed and limiting. Labeling an apparent lack of team loyalty as 'centrism', only further harms political dialogue, turning it into a win-lose battle instead of a place for varied opinions.
I have been following Mr Kisin for years and I dont know anyone in America that wouldnt call him "center - right" (except for the far leftists who call anyone that doesnt agree with them in lockstep "far right", but I digress)....... and there is nothing wrong with that position.
If we are going to claw ourselves out of this hole we are rapidly digging for ourselves it is going to be the center-right and center-left teaming up to save us from the far right and far left.
I love it when people describe the problems facing the world in as vague and non-commital way as possible. It's definitiely not suspicious and dog-whistley at all.
Konstantin who?
In any case, I think the problem with political sides especially right now in the US is that any side has some fundamental points of view that they are not willing to compromise on. Things like Human Rights, for example, the necessity of the strong helping the weak (or not), stuff like that. And in the US, the divide has become large enough that the people currently in power on the two main sides have managed to get opposing views on some of those fundamental points. Once that happens, compromises on those points are no longer possible - one or both sides would have to give up fundamentals, and nobody is willing to do that.
Unfortunately, some people (mostly, but not exclusively, on one side) seem to have decided that this means total war, that compromises can't be made even on points where there is no fundamental opposition, just to make life harder for the other side.
If he isn’t conservative, why does he peddle the woke narrative.
I mean even though I’m on the far left (anarchist or anarchocommunist to be specific), I don’t mind being friends with and consuming content by conservatives, it’s just they simply they don’t impress me enough, seeming to favour more traditional and reactionary views more for provocation or being fearful of change. I appreciate Konstantin and Francis and they seem like cool, funny and deep thinking guys, but it also seems they easily fall prey to many of the simplistic rhetoric and views (“wokeism” etc.) that is so endemic in the climate of current political discourse, rather than recognising the nuances.
Also most of the guests they have on with some notable exceptions (Aaron Bastani, Curtis Yarvin, Roger Hallam, Geoff Norcott, Kathleen Stock, Jaron Lanier and Michael Malice) seem to be irritating talking heads with little to say of value.
Curtis Yarvin, Kathleen Stock and Michael Malice may have somewhat unusual takes, but they tend to be quite bad nonetheless, wouldn't you agree?
@@bladdnun3016 I think there’s quite a bit of diversity between the three, and though they each have their own issues, or things I would disagree with, I don’t know if I would say bad exactly. Honestly I’m more drawn to theoreticians and some public intellectual nowadays than commentators, such as Noam Chomsky, Jean Baudrillard, Peter Kropotkin and Mark Fisher
What happened to anarchists in every revolution in which we aided Marxists? Asking for a friend in a mass grave...shot in the back...while advancing on what they thought was a shared enemy.
Marxists are not anarchists, and are not to be trusted. Their economic ideas are inevitably coercive to the non-victimizing individual. Do with that what you will.
Every time I see him, he is usually the conservative member of a discussions panel insulting “woke lefty loonies” but he calls himself left wing. This man’s political spectrum is far off that he doesn’t even where he actually is
@@anarchoautismhe explained clearly in the video that he has some left, some right but mostly centrist views. Did you watch it?
“Getting the burden of tax off business and individuals”… What? I’m not sure I understand that? Is he saying he believes in radical wealth tax or something?
This is what i love about him, because i am as well "tribeless" and its the hardest position to take.
what is your opinion on ai replacing most humans in term of workplaces and the idea of the movie terminator :D im geniuenly interested in your opinion
Why is the vocal minority and often extreme wing of any side/party, who seemingly wants to pull their party to the extreme, set the standard or tone for who the party is, what they want, where they are going, etc.? I suppose parties can change over time and evolve like how the Republican Party was liberal/union and the Democratic Party was conservative/south at one point in time. Still, the vocal minority doesn't determine the party, but the party leaders definitely seem to be overly influenced by them.
No clue who this guy is and i'm definitely not part of any online echo chambers. I can see the emotional cultish behavior in the comments section though. Like I said, I don't know who he is and i've never heard anything from or about him. In this segment, I've found him to be 99% reasonable, which is refreshing.
I haven't even watched the video but the comments are so one-sided and toxic that I've biased myself towards disfavoring Konstantin despite having generally RW views. Sad that people resort to polemics but take issue when others do the same. Consistency is consistently an issue with Netizens.
“I don’t know anything about this, but I’m gonna make a judgment anyway !”
-Every ‘enlightened’ internet comment ever
@saicharand7765
"In this segment, I've found him to be 99% reasonable, which is refreshing."
I guess i'm not allowed to make a judgment about the content I just watched.
I also can't make a judgment about the comments that are overly emotional and bitter about this guy without providing any substantive rebuttals to anything he said in this segment.
Your paraphrasing is borderline retarded.
Toodles enlightened internet comment ever lol
You should clean your mirror
@@saicharand7765 He watched the segment, and at he was honest about his lack of knowledge, which is better than >99% of internet comments .
Did he just go on a tangent and claim that he's not right-wing because he has different leanings depending on the issue, then right after condem the whole left as a religious ideology? The dissonance almost broke my neck for how fast that followed
I'm just going to say it here; people who are so obviously solidly right-wing or left-wing have no place acting as though they are the arbiters of what is considered "the right" and "the left".
How is he solidly right-wing?
Its not about his personal political positions, its about the job his channel does in driving people towards right-wing voices. The grift is so easily identifiable with their channel; its like Dave Rubin all over again except the hosts don't appear to be mentally challenged.
edit: his answer to the question of if his guests are more right or more left is so telling; clearly it leans right. Absurd.
It's not driving any one. People who watch these shows already share these views. Which are not "right wing". They're opposed to the current incarnation of upper middle class bourgeois liberalism, aka wokeism. You're out of touch with the general public if you think triggernometry's views are extreme.
When I was growing up, the term "left wing" meant you supported the working class. Nowadays, a lot of very privileged liberals (not left, just liberal) are calling yourselves left wing and have rather co-opted the term.
Do I ask myself easy questions?
I am not a conservative but a Believer of Free Speech, Unless it's about Palestinians and Muslims...How dare they say what they want to say!!
I liked him for his free speech believe, but now I know it's just an act!!
Another grifter.
I like Konstantin.
What if we cared more about if he was right than if he was on the right? Ignore your tribe if you dare. We'd all get so much further if we stopped using these categories and questioned each position separately. It's so depressing reading through the comments at times and seeing arguments that basically use he or she's on the left or right as an argument. For those of you who believe in determinism I challenge you to hold back your anger for the people you oppose politically, try to understand where their beliefs may have come from and try to tackle their harmful beliefs without so much anger and ganging up. Tribalism tends to breed more tribalism and you just end up with 2 or more echo chambers. People will be more receptive to you when they're not just shoved into a category and treated as the enemy. If you believe in the things you're fighting for I can assure you that the best way to bring about change is to change the way we deal with people with opposing opinions. Yes it sounds like some hippie shit but it's also scientific.
"harmful beliefs".
Translation: beliefs that are different from YOUR beliefs.
@Dekoherence-ii8pw I meant beliefs that people hold that those who hold opposing political views deem to be harmful or regressive. Whether they are or not I don't want to dispute, I just hope people would determine if they are using a better approach.
He didn't actually name his extreme left view. If he thinks it's drug legalisation, then I disagree. There are plenty of legalising of drugs advocates on both sides. In fact all of his "leftie" views were pretty middle of the road. What I would call fairly sensible Liberal.
People who on the left wing or the right wing, are easy to spot, since they each only have one wing and thus in turn they each politically fly in circles.
Yeah apart from Middle East, Brexit, immigration, Covid, Trump and LGBT issues, I’m definitely not a conservative.
Konstantin Kisin joined the anti tribalism tribe
I needed to hear this, after a lifetime (I'm 71 years old) of being more or less a liberal, a progressive - meaning that I considered myself a good bit left of center. Watching so-called leftists in the West side with groups like Hamas and antisemitism has led me to question just what "left" really means. By the same token, I'm certainly not "leaning to the right", at least what has historically been "the right". I'm anti-fascist, anti-Nazi, and basically anti-authoritarian. You and a few other youtube creators who are speaking up on this topic give me hope that perhaps eventually the old left vs. right pigeon holes will eventually bite the dust for something new, and more sympathetic to an enlightened future. That you were a fan of both George Carlin and Bill Hicks gives us a massive commonality.
"By the same token, I'm certainly not "leaning to the right", at least what has historically been "the right". I'm anti-fascist, anti-Nazi, and basically anti-authoritarian." Seeing that Fascism came from the Left, the Nazis were borne out of conflict with the Left on the Left, and how the Right is absolutely against these things, then you sound like you ARE on the Right. Nothing wrong with that, but at least admit to it. If you think being Anti-Authoritarian proves you can only be on the Left, then please do some research, disavow any and all Antifa criminality and Fascism, for example, and be free of that mess.
We are of exact same age and political stance. I disenrolled in Dem Party. Am independent.
would defo recommend checking out the hamas situation properly, it might be worth noting the 75 years of Israel occupation and genocide in palestine when considering why people side against Israel
"Side with groups like Hamas".
Criticising Israel for bombing innocent people is not siding with Hamas. Hamas are monsters. The difference? Israel have drones. Hamas have knives. People really want to put focus on Hamas cutting heads off. It is so barbaric!
But dude, honestly, who gives a shit? Dead is dead. And Israel is roughly 10 times better at killing than Hamas is.
This doesn't mean that Hamas is good. Or that I side with Hamas. Hamas are monsters. It just means that both Hamas and Israel are monsters. Basically. You can call that antisemitism if you like. I don't care who's doing the killing, it is wrong regardless of their race gender or creed.
Yawn. It seems people are only capable of going back “75 years” and then also ignoring recent political history - Hamas refusing to collaborate with Palestinian leaders on the West Bank, Hamas leaders living in mansions in Qatar and directing their militants from there, Hamas taking all aid for themselves and building tunnels and doing nothing to better the life of people in Gaza, Hamas refusing a peace deal, being despised by all surrounding Arab nations (who are reluctant to help). If you overlook this then your argument is weak. If you also overlook the utter lack of awareness and care towards the African Muslims being killed by invading Arab militia on the Sudan-Chad border or the genocide of Sufi Muslims by Shia in Yemen, then your argument becomes even weaker. And don’t forget Syria. Do some wider research instead of being a sheep and ending up on the wrong side of history. What is happening in Gaza and in the West Bank is not right or justifiable. But the answer isn’t to support Hamas either
Alex thank you for the time effort and hard work for your videos. I hope you get money from TH-cam for it.
I do not want you to feel compelled to then take that money and redistribute it to people who didn’t
I am definitely Left and have the same views on immigration as Konstantin , It seems illogical to me that those who allegedly work for the advancement of the lower third to half in income support an inflow which undermines the quality of life of that group. I just not do belive many who claim to be Left are in fact Left , Starmer and co , says it all.
with all due respect Alex, i feel like we've had enough of this guy
Love Konstantin. I’m left leaning myself but Konstantin has always striked me as a reasonable and well intentioned person
Apart from the batsh*t full israeli support and Suella Braverman love stuff right?
In short yes, he is on the right, he just denies it. But actions speak louder than words.
This is what I would conclude too. Making money off of right wing people by saying what they want to hear. It's not like Russel Brand that has a past in the online left sphere and turned right due to his contrarianism. Kisin might have a lefty past but it's his own words only, now he is on the right.
Why is he on the right? What opinions do you believe he expresses that put him in that category?
@@jcbl62the fact that he actively promotes and NEVER pushes back when interviewing right wing guests, yet when there is a left wing issue, he can talk against it for DAYS.
@@TubaToneshe actually roasted loons like Pearl and some believers
@@zer0homer that may be, but in every single monologue, he EXCLUSIVELY bashes left wing policy and ideology, often in an extravagantly judgmental way in the hopes of getting a laugh, but never offers an alternative, only criticism. He’s basically the UK’s Carlson Tucker without the fame or fortune.
He said recently that he’s somewhere in the middle while not really defining what the middle is and that the channel isn’t biased, but from literally every video Triggernometry posts, the opposite is insurmountably evident.
I like Alex, I do! But this is just terrible interviewing. Alex is clearly aware of what the core criticism/characterization of Kisin is. It's essentially this : Kisin is an anti-woke partisan who is wholeheartedly committed to pandering to his anti-woke audience (who are predominantly right wing) all the while presenting himself as an 'enlightened centrist' who is committed to truth-seeking and balance. He at least knows that a lot of people are adamant that Kisin is right wing despite Kisin's protestations to the contrary.
Now what a good interviewer should do is actually research these criticisms. Find out what the actual arguments and evidences are that these critics use to justify their characterization of Kisin and then actually put these very arguments to Kisin!! He doesn't have to agree with the arguments himself ...he just needs to do his 'devil's advocate' thing and provide Kisin with the steelman of their position or (at least the strongest argument for the position that he comes across). That requires research and even an understanding of how these critics would respond to Kisin's response to the question.
What does he actually do? He just asks Kisin if he is right wing and of course, without Alex having the knowledge of what the actual robust criticisms of Kisin are, Kisin can spin the narrative whatever way he wants. Which is what Kisin does : 'I am anti illegal immigration and in favor of people being allowed to speak their mind and for some crazy reason that's why some people call me right wing' (I'm paraphrasing but this is essentially how Kisin responds to the accusation). Needless to say, these are not the main reasons people are calling Kisin right wing (which I'll get to) but when you aren't prepared to at least present the argument in the best way that you can, you do a great disservice to your audience.
Alex then asks Kisin to name some left wing positions that he has and Kisin goes on to mention that he is pro-drug legalization (that being his most obvious left wing position) and he also mentions how he is in favor of a 'sensible' welfare state where people who are vulnerable are given support and vaguely gestures to how sometimes there can be just reason for state intervention in the market. In the next paragraph, I'll try and outline the issues I take with the question and Kisin's response.
Firstly, I think it's important to be a bit more precise in our criticism of Kisin than to just call him 'right wing'. Kisin claims to hate teams and tribalism in this interview but he is as tribal as they come and I think Kisin's tribe is much better described as an anti-woke tribe than as just a right wing tribe (even though the majority of their guests (and most likely their audience too) lean right on most issues or at least the ones they tend to emphasize when they are having them on the show! And that's the key point about the critique : EMPHASIS! Kisin claims to have all these left wing positions but those are rarely ever the ones that receive attention on the Triggernometry channel. In fact, these left wing positions he apparently has usually only ever come in the form of disclaimers - either that or we only ever hear about them whenever he is asked a question like this one. I scrolled through the channel's catalogue of videos going years back and I can't find any video where the importance of welfare is emphasized (and it's what Kisin appealed to to confirm that he has left leanings). If Kisin has loads of content where he has argued the case for the importance of welfare I'll happily admit I'm wrong. But even citing being in favor of a sensible welfare state as an example of your left leaning credentials should be seen as a red flag because it is the standard stance for even centre right people to be in favor of welfare.
As for his main example (being in favor of drug decriminalization), I find that one to be quite telling. Triggernometry came to fame off the back of an anti-woke crusade and attracted a whole army of anti-woke followers. There's hardly any better example of a left-leaning position that's not going to be offensive to an anti-woke audience than that. Drug decriminalization is hardly a hot button topic in anti-woke land! In any case, it doesn't seem to be a topic they spend a whole lot of time or energy on either!
Ultimately, when it comes to Kisin, actions speak louder than words! It's all well and good saying you have some left wing positions but it's not the left wing positions you are emphasizing on your channel, Konstantin. Just look at Triggernometry's channel. It's not even subtle : There is an overwhelming bias towards right wing views and talking points. Yes, there is the odd leftist here and there and the odd non-culture war guest but the majority of the guests are anti-woke right wingers whose views Kisin and Foster seem more than happy to platform and feed to an audience only too happy to lap those views up!
His point about balance rings really hollow too. Where is his balance regarding the Trans debate. It's always someone arguing against 'Trans ideology' or an interview of a 'Detransitioner'.You never hear the other side of the story. How traumatic it was for many trans people to go through puberty (in a pro puberty blockers argument) or the stories from trans people who felt that the puberty blockers were really helpful at a very vulnerable time in their lives. Of course, he can be skeptical of stories like these and he can be skeptical of the studies that contradict his Trans narratives and that would be ok if he showed any interest in even acknowledging that they exist but he doesn't. Another example would be their treatment of the covid vaccine. They platform John Campbell who has made controversial claims about the vaccine (and I respect their right to platform him if they want) but they show no interest in acknowledging the other side...the rebuttals to John Campbell. Maybe that's because they don't want to provide viewpoints and arguments that will be highly unpopular to their audience that they themselves won't feel qualified to refute. Either way, it's not a good way to provide balance! But it's the standard fare for Kisin's channel.
Anyway, I could go on and on with more examples but it would take too long to do a good job in a comment section where not many people are going to see it anyway. I kinda hope Kisin gets the 'Timbah on Toast' treatment at some stage - Timbah is the end boss of exposing right wing grifters and there are a lot of similarities between Kisin and Rubin even though Rubin is obviously much dumber. However, I will make one final point about Alex here. I have criticized him for not doing his research on the arguments against Kisin but also the positions that Kisin claims to be critiquing (This was also apparent in his interview with Douglas Murray though Murray was so shockingly inept at producing or following a coherent argument that Alex was at least able to expose him gently from time to time). However, one other issue I take with Alex's approach is that he is so committed to good faith discussion (which is a good thing generally) that I feel like he is unequipped to deal with an interlocutor who argues in bad faith. It was more obvious in the Douglas Murray interview- whenever he pressed Murray or pointed out an inconsistency or even hinted at bad faith on Murray's part, Murray changed the subject or moved the goalposts and Alex just let him do it because I assume he was worried that if he nailed Murray down on a point that Murray might get hostile and it could effect the quality of the interview. I just think that in future, if he senses that something is amiss or that the interlocutor is not being entirely honest, he will have to be prepared to get confrontational if one of the core values of his channel is truth-seeking.
Bro, way too long
How do we get media besides mainstream .. what is mainstream and at what point is it mainstream?
It would have been valuable and insightful to ask Kisin what his view on the Israel-Palestine conflict are, and more generally on western foreign policy.