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- Robotech was like a Sci-Fi cartoon/Soap opera.
Main characters died, Hooked up, got drunk when they were sad
,basically things you never got in cartoons.I loved it and still do.
This is a moment that as a kid freaked me out and i never forgot.
I like how after Ben dies Rick gives the sign of the Cross.
I never forgot this scene from Robotech. This was the moment I knew this was not Tom & Jerry or G.I. Joe because characters died and they never came back. Ben Dixon gone but not forgotten.
This. Robotech didn't sugar coat it. As much as I loved them, Star Blazers and Voltron came from similar origins but were much more censored (the Star Blazers episode where a kamikaze pilot's death is "undone" by reversing the footage is just laughable). Robotech (and presumably Carl) took a chance and while censoring the really brutal stuff (thirty+ shots into someone's chest, for example!) it didn't pull any "he was taken to a hospital planet" bullshit either. Roy died. Ben died. The fucking earth was *devastated*! In fact, that shot of that random soldier talking with a kid just before the bombardment from Dolza's fleet blasts them in 'Call to Arms' is the image I personally never forgot from the show.
I often wonder how these shows affected the adults us kids of this era became. I have often said that every child should at least have to watch Astro Boy 1980 as part of growing up for the life lessons that show teaches!
Same. I was in shock for a couple of days.
instablaster
Was sad too. Roy then ben. Felt bad for Rick
I knew it was a thing when Roy died though never knew this or pretty much any of the anime I watched as a kid were actually anime until I was in my teens
Max making the sign of the cross is just something you never seen on a cartoon before.
Western media is obsessed with the idea of making people think religion doesn't exist.
I was shocked that the show Iron Fist had the guts to have the hero give a buddhist prayer for a homeless man who'd overdosed.
That three seconds of Max crossing himself has only become MORE meaningful for me as I've gotten older and older. He wasn't "the religious character", he was a character who happened to be Christian.
What stuck with me most about this was the uneaten food. Roy never got to finish his pineapple salad. Ben never got to finish his steak. It's a brilliant touch from the writers that really makes these deaths sink in. Brutal couple of episodes.
Plus both characters are deeply associated with Rick so his outlook on war starts to change throughout the series
commenting late but you are very right.
Always finish your food before getting in or out of a Veritech
Robotech was one of the very greatest things about my childhood...The drama, the mecha, the music; Robotech touched the hearts of many worldwide.
Noooooo doubt.😃
hell yeah...
It was really one of the best anime series at that time. I especially love the original Macross version of the show!
I was crazy about robotech when I was 6 years old in 🇨🇱 Chile.
As a kid, going from GI Joe, where everyone parachuted right before getting blown up, to Robotech, where people are getting killed right and left, including main characters, was absolutely jarring. But that's what made me love Robotech and Japanime, as it was known back then, so much. Yes it was a cartoon, but it didn't treat it's audience like children.
"As a kid, going from GI Joe, where everyone parachuted right before getting blown up, to Robotech, where people are getting killed right and left"
This
Well put my friend
We can only imagine what it would've been like if GI Joe was more anti-war.
Haven’t heard “Japanime” in 30 years. Thank you for the nostalgia.
Exactly the fact that robotech was allowed to keep the main character deaths from Macross is what made it so freaking good
The bombardment in Force of arms was absolutely shocking and I had a hard time sleeping after I watched that episode and I was in my late teens
Some doomed soldiers show pictures of their families to show the people they'll leave behind.
This man left behind an orphan steak.
dorpth Because it's Ben we're talking about, lol.
dorpth moral of story-eat fast,don’t have photo of family or girl friend
@@DartLukeand if you're black, dont be the first in your family to go to college
Roy: It has never been A game,Claudia.
Ben:It's too late,Rick,I Can't.....ARRRRGH!
R.I.P. Guys.
Max making the Sign of the Cross was the visual that always stuck with me.
Me too...
It looks like Rick. Max had a longer, thinner face, and glasses.
The one making the cross sign is Max. You can still hear Rick voice in the com yelling, "Beeeen~!" while Max doing that sign.
Pretty sure it's Rick but this seems to be one of the most debated topics.
Yup, I remember Max doing that. RIP Ben.
Even though Ben started out as an amateur pilot, he proved himself on multiple sorties. A sad scene for a seasoned pilot.
The comic relief that actually got somewhere and made a name for himself before he bought it.
As kids in the 80’s my cousin an I were actually pissed that Rick questioned Lisa’s orders, those precious seconds cost Ben his life.
Yeah, but the Skull squad had their reasons to ask as they where protecting the SDF1 against the Zaentraedi incursion.
They didn't know the situation. The barrier was new tech and wasn't tested to ascertain it limits. Plus, kyhron was striking them with everything at once.
Had they known what to expect, if the enemy got to a certain point to the SDF-1, they could have survived.
I remember seeing this as a kid and thinking when he left his lunch 'hes not going to come back to finish it'. Was devastated when he died
indeed! it was brilliant. And terribly sad
When I was 12, and after the episode ended, I ran outside and nearly bawled. My brother shook his head.
30 years and I still can't get over it.
RIP Ben Dixon, forever missed.
Coming back, to this, you realize it wasn't just Ben. But Hundred if not millions of others people. Man what a great show. Gotta do a rewatch
Rick and Max transformed immediately but Ben was still running in Battloid mode. That delay cost him.
Unfortunately true. RIP Ben...the big teddy bear friend. We all miss you and Roy.
Ben is a noob
ryouga Ac Shut Up Meg
I just felt that same sickening punch in the gut feeling I did when I first saw this scene 30 years ago.
My god... has it been that long.
dieterdengler
It still gets me, after all that time.
I watched this anime back in '86. It's almost 40 years now and I still remember his death.
Ben Dixon, the Porkins of Robotech
Scram blade Got a problem here..........I can hold it. No I'm alright.....*radio silence*
LOL!!!!
Poor Ben.
Moments before his death he was about to eat an entire roast beef by himself ;)
Scram blade the last thing that went through his mind was his ass👽👍
I'm alright... AHHH!
Or the Biggs of Robotech.
Lisa crying out for Rick at the end still gives me chills over 30 years later. What an incredible series, you were so emotionally invested in these characters as a kid it was just got wrenching watching episodes like this one.
Jeez. There was really nothing like it back then.
This is why I was so hooked on this show when I was a kid--it dealt with real themes and treated life as a fragile experience that the entire island of Macross was trying to come to grips with.
Poor Ben. But I have to say Roy Fokker's death hit me a lot harder.
That is why I like it also it seem it could happen. I had people on the show you love than poof they were gone. Yet it had you hooked into it
What was really shocking about this episode was that Roy Fokker died in the episode right before this one.
true but the Robotech battlecry is before right cause that new character in battlecry kicked their asses but yeah I wonder if he took over the wolf squardrin after the war was over
I remember this episode, and then going to school the next day no longer being the same person after watching. It affected me and got me hooked on japanime
This crushed me in 1985. I was only 5 episodes in, having discovered the show accidentally and immediately fell in love with Lisa Hayes. I was still sorting out who's who and what did I miss... Literally the day before, I sat on the couch and watched Roy Fokker collapse and die. Then this. It was too much, man. I forgot all about my PB&J sandwich in my lap, overwhelmed with shock. This was not Thundercats. There was real consequences to this. Best show ever.
Now in 2023, there are whispers that we will finally see a live film adaptation of this wondrous series. I hope they honor the source material and make us miss Roy and Ben as much as we did the first time.
I just saw Kakizaki's death in the original Macross just the other day. Both versions no matter which you prefer are just horrible. Especially after Roy's death. Ben/Hayao's loss just poured it on how rough the soldiers on the SDF-1/Macross were having it.
He never got to finish that steak... D :
Max's cross benediction to his fallen comrade hit home to me back when I was 12 watching Toonami... Screw the anti-faith hostility, that was poignant and appropriate. Love, value for life, and faith in something more than the terror and darkness around you... This is what Aldnoah is TRYING to be. Robotech/Macross didn't sugarcoat when it came to casualties. This show never left my psyche growing up.
For me this was the best Japanese cartoon growing up, the writing was good, we cared about the characters, and there was development with those characters. This was the ultimate cartoon and they weren't afraid to take things to the limits.
Toonami was the first time I saw this as well-I was 14 at the time and it came on at 4:45. Small world. lol
When this first aired back in 86, it gave me chills.
you mean 85
Still does for me...
I am a 2002 kid but what gave me chills was the Zentradi bombing of Earth as you see the soilder try and protect a child from the resulting explosion from the Zentradi Fleet that completely incinerated a city. Both dieing as they turned into ash.
@@mrdriver2988 in 1985 I was in college at the campus watching this and the whole campus center just went dead silent. We'd seen anything like this. Cartoon characters never died on American TV
When somebody tells you to run, you RUN.
Save your questions for later.
You got that right!
So many years since I first saw this episode... and it still gives me some feels.
Damn great series.
When kids cartoons had the balls to explore love, honor and that war and violence came at a cost
One more thing... "Skull Squadron, clear out now!" One of my all time fav quotes.
Looking back at this scene in nostalgia, Makes the viewer who has watched the saga backwards and forwards think about how Rick felt losing his first subordinate under his command. I’m sure it never got better for him as he became an Admiral and the many he lost during the Sentinels campaign and during the Reclamation expeditions launched to assault the Invid on Earth.
I remember this episode from when I was a kid he never got to finish his steak.one moment your here the next your gone sad
Ben Dixon never finished his steak and Roy Fokker never got to eat his Pineapple Salad, true sadness right there
Just realized the same guy that does Ben’s voice did Lunk’s from the new generation.
As a little kid I kept expecting that he was going to come back but he never did. It was harsh compared to cartoons I was used to at the time.
Epic with the sign of the cross!
this was the game of thrones of my day.
Looking back, this was a hell of a year for a kid watching cartoons. Roy and Ben an episode apart from each other. Optimus Prime and most of the gen 1 autobots. Duke from G.I. Joe taking a snake spear in the heart....gloomy days at recess after those aired, lol.
God... this takes me back... back to when cartoons were good and actually hand drawn, and DRAWN WELL!!!
+terrywest111 To be honest, the animation in this show hasn't aged very well. It's a great show, no doubt, but cartoons are still good. Just like back in the day, there are good ones and bad ones.
Animation not perhaps, but character designs, mecha, background art, I still like the style very much!
This still stays with me all through these years… especially with Max making the sign of the cross as Ben dies.
And right as they’re still reeling after Roy’s death, too. After their deaths, that’s when I knew that Robotech wasn’t just any old cartoon (and which really started my love of anime).
When macross was aired here in the philippines during the 80's, ben's name was harry.
In Latinoamerica, we keep The name Ben.
Yes, Max is Catholic. So what's the big deal? The Japanese do acknowledge different religions you know. I'm not ranting or anything, but it's not anything unusual to see in Japanese animation. If you watch the whole series, you'll see several references to Christianity in Robotech. Peace.
Who exactly are you replying to?
that is what made this series ahead of its time. it was war people died in war. I think I was 5 years old when roy follker died. I learned about death from robotech. this was not like other shows on TV at the time where you know the good guys will always return home at the end of the day. it also made me appreciate the fact that my parents came home at the end of the day because there may be that chance they wouldn't.
highlander723 Robotech,Transformers, and every Don Bluth film back then.
highlander723 Wow, that's intense.
pspboy7 Saw it too and I think the references are so deep and meaningful. War, love, and prejudice... faith added that extra dimension of hope to persevere.
Especially the most accurate to source, macross saga. Realist animated, not cartoon, program ever. I Rembert on voltron, when Sven came back, I could've sworn he got killed by that cat. He never showed up again, until the show didn't matter. Found out years later how much some programs were butchered coming stateside.
+Christian bonner I actually just saw that Voltron episode for the first time in like 20 years, and thought "Oh shit, I thought Sven died?"
I had to come here to be absolutely certain I remembered Ben dying correctly, and he wasn't just "sent away for medical treatment."
I have been looking for this scene for years. Takes me back to 5/6 years old!
Didn’t even finish his last meal...
He was a good man.
Wish he was still here.
First time I ever saw someone die in a cartoon. I was 5 years old. Loved Anime ever since.
RIP Ben, I still remember this episode.
Mandela effect! i for sure remember this scene differintly. i remember rick max and ben flying in gardian mode trying to outrun the blast first then an animation where max and rick turn into veritech mode then rick yells hurry ben then ben being enveloped while transforming. this is one of those memories i dont forget because i can remember as a kid the feeling i got after watching it. i couldn't believe this cartoon wasnt like gi goe or he man it was more real. anyhow, dose anyone else remember this scene differently?
I remember the scream being 150% more horrible.
Honestly, He-Man and all of its breathen were for pussies, compared to Robotech. After watching these 2 Robotech episodes, there was no way you wouldn't look down at those other cartoons as cheesy
@@Keti_Mporta That's because you're an adult now.
@@Logos1000 nah, I can perfectly recall that I had the same idea when watched it for the first time back in 87
@@Keti_Mporta But He-Man came out in 83, a few years before Robotech. You looked down on He-Man in 1983?
I remember when I saw the sign of the cross by max never saw that
Max making the sign of the cross as he listened to Ben dying. What an episode 😮 Never will forget this.
This was the scene that made me realize this cartoon was so different-characters actually dying was rare to see in a cartoon in the 80s particularly in the US where everything is censored
This death is part of the reason I still worship this series. It gave Kid a series were there were repercussions and people you liked didn’t escape,they died and you mourned them.
I still remember this scene... the half eaten steak. This show was the Game of Thrones for me as a kid. Big characters were killed off. First Roy, then Ben. It was shocking but guess that's what made it so seem so real and unforgettable.
And captain gloval,claudia grant and the other ladies (except for lisa) lost their lives near the end of the macross saga, thanks to khyron!
@@clarencecoats6498 Rare case of a US kids version making things *darker*. All those characters survived in Macross.
Who left the Steak and the Pineapple salad in the fridge?
I have to say, especially after seeing other comments, until i was older, I always thought of Ben as an extra in the way guy, didn't realize the development or meaning of his eventual death until way later. As a kid, Roy was hard, but now it seems like, you shoulda known he won't make it. Ben was more like that best friend where they get screwed and your like oh shit, not him? You figure Max or somebody, not the guy who's just there but you don't appreciate it till he's gone,then the shit gets real. On that, it's not much, but on a budget 2nite, these 2 pork chops are to Ben
We probably would have known if it had been a live action movie. Characters never died in cartoons back then.
Good observations.
2022....we miss you Ben Dixon R.I.P
Why Ben? Why did you switch to guardian mode and not hit the after burners? Why? I was depressed about this for a week as a kid.
Ben - Dont move ill be back real soon
Audience - Oh no Ben might die!
Shot of the steak
Audience - Ben definitely going to die.
This is why kids today aren’t like us 80’s kids, could you imagine a cartoon on today with a scene like that?? You couldn’t even get that on prime time network TV now!
When Cartoon Network aired this in the early days of Toonami (1997-98 and again and an updated rerun in the early 2000s) I fell in love with Robotech.
It showed agony of war especially the first Robotech War with the Zentradi. Losing Roy Fokker and Ben Dixon were amongst the closest to Rick like family to yesterdays enemies became friends like Zentradi Commander Breetai, Exedore and Miriya Sterling. This was perhaps my favorite saga out of the three. In my region, Toonami never aired the Mosepada Saga (New Generation) for some reason (until I figured why several years later).
I always think of Lupin and Jigen looking back on this, given who did the voices.
Max gave the cross' sign, not Hikaru, :ahem: Rick xDD
+NicoAk47 disparandoconciencia when I was a kid I always thought it was Hikaru that crossed himself. How do you know it was Max?
NicoAk47 Ain't it trippy that the holy and obscene are lumped together in censorship?
Umm, why would it matter if Rick crossed instead of Max? It was still in the English adaptation. It actually physically looks like Rick. Max had a longer thinner face, and glasses.
I thought that was Rick as well.
It's Max. Rick (Hikaru) is wearing the blast goggles. If you look close you can see it's Max.
I felt sad back in the 80's when Ben didn't make it. 😩
I will always be scarred after seeing Ben die.
Macross fans: I can't believe they killed beloved characters 😭
Gundam fans: You'll get used to it 😢
I was actually surprised to see Christian(Catholic) references on television even back then. I thought it was touching, and was appropriate, it put an emotional touch to it. It was well done.
78starbuck what makes you think he's Catholic? Lutherans,and other Protestant denomonations make the sign of the cross too
I thought it was mainly a Catholic thing. I went to a Lutheran school as a kid and grew up going to Baptist/evangelical churches. In school and church, I never saw any members of the clergy, church elders, or members of the congregation make the sign of the cross.
Poor Kakizaki. It always hurts watching him die.
From your comment, you are hardcore macross fan?
This episode and the one before it , just brutal, two death Roy and Ben.
I agree dude even Michael from macross frontier while he got killed in action when that chick was trying to be in her zentradi form
Agree
Yeah Michael and Kyle were the worst characters for me cause two of them are more cocky like seriously when zentradi and the humans made a peace treadie Kyle went to the council and bull shit bout it and war shit I just hate that character but love his character design even Michael's
This shocked me and my friend as kids. We talked about it for a week after Ben died. None of us had ever seen anything like this before.
This is what made me love this that main characters actually died and every episode wasn't a happy ending great soap for my generation thumbs up. But was sad that Ben died was like awww wow and silently damn :(
Siempre me impactó el realismo de está esena al ver como Máx se santiguava tras la pérdida de su compañero ... como en la vida real
Es Max quien hace la señal.
Ben was my friend James's favorite character.
I loved this about Robotech. People were always just wiped out. Was not chezzy like GI Joe where u see no one get wiped out mass destruction style.
It was genius how the writers handled Ben's death, for those who watched the show, while he was likeable, it was obvious he wasn't as skilled of a pilot as Rick, Max or Roy, he was bailed out by them more than a few times, if he would've died first, nobody would've been surprised. But Roy died first unexpectedly and not in his plane but on his girlfriend's couch, and then while you're still reeling from that Ben dies, so it's like a stomach punch right after you've been slapped in the face.
This scene traumatized a generation. Who else got into anime because of this show?
The problem here is, Rick and company evacuated using Gerwalk/Guardian mode initially, when they all should have been in fighter mode from the beginning. Also, Ben's veritech was the lowly VF-1A compared to Rick and Max...although Max's veritech is also a VF-1A, I'm sure it's been modified. I just busted out all my old Yamato 1/48 scale veritechs and spent a fortune last night on the Bandai DX SOC 1/48 VF-1S....can't wait to display them. Rest in peace, Ben.
wow I remember the bloodcurdling scream and Max Sterling making the sign of the cross from when I was a kid! this scene!
This was the first cartoon I could remember where characters died on a fairly regular basis. It was a great series, wish they would reboot it.
CCJJ160Channels For me It Was Robotech and Dragon Ball Z
Oh my god... I forgot about this! Awesomely weird!!
Does anyone remember Ben’s last words being different? I remember him saying that his craft couldn’t transform, because of a malfunction. This was when Robotech aired on CN Toonami block during the day
Sorry if this is two years late but There’s two versions of Robotech. The original broadcast version with some scenes of violence and nudity censored and a remastered version that adds some violence and nudity back in. Sadly the remastered version is the only one available now and the original broadcast version was only released once on dvd.
@@ChainsawManDude97 I never knew that. Robotech aka Macross can’t catch a break.
@@Jtibbssax Macross actually has a full dvd release in the US with a dub that features Vic Mignogna as Hikaru and Minmay Japanese voice actress replaying her character in English. Robotech on the other hand is stuck with a shitty altered version. The altered version added some violent scenes back in and that’s a problem. as we can see with this video, the part we’re you see Ben disintegrating looks like he’s talking without moving his mouth when in the original version Macross, he’s screaming in that shot. Adding these scenes back in cause editing errors in the dub. The biggest offender about the remastered version is the altered sound mix. An 80’s anime with modern sound effects does not fit, imagine Speed Racer with loud realistic car sound effects made with today’s technology, that what this version of Robotech sounds like. They really should have released Robotech as it aired on Television, and gave Macross as the uncut version.
At least Ben knows how to order his meat: medium rare.
I never thought of that, lol. Great detail.
This was shocking as a kid to see. I was sad for a few days and had to think about it.
Me too. When I watched this episode when I was twelve, I cried and ran outside, bawling in front of my brother.
NOO BENNNNNNNNNN you are an extra character!!
RIP
The Macross fucked Ontario PROPERLY.
That wouldn't have occurred if Khyron the Backstabber had not attacked. It wasn't the fault of the SDF1 crew that the barrier overload occurred.Khyron kept firing and it caused the barrier system to overload.He's the one at fault.
That one moment he says that he'll be back soon but it focuses on the steak
Classic Game Room has made me laugh at this scene, damn you mark!
One Pineapple Salad & one Sirloin Steak for the bois resting easy.
Why is it that Skull squadron were always the only ones left? did all the other pilots were killed? where do they get the replacements?
The captain is like hurry inflate my hat 20 more PSI.
BEEEENN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The unfinished steak...and the doomed pilot....
I love forever ROBOTECH
The last steak...
Sorry, you're right, it was Max who did the Sign of the Cross.
I always thought it was Rick.
Always wanted you to take a bite of that steak before you left, Ben.
I Believe that corporal dixon did eat at least one piece of a steak that was served to him.
Btw that was Rick not Max doing the cross.
Pianaple salad and medium rare beef are death flags in the Macross Franchise
Awesome episode.
To this day I can’t eat a steak without thinking of Ben…
#bigsteakhero
Sorry guys but its Max doing the cross, Rick just finished yelling. I found the Japanese cut too and it doesn't make sense for it to be Rick.
What a mystery.
cual?? hay una que lo muestran no?? que habla o dice unas ultimas palabras??
Ben dixon alive for ever............................................................when repeat this video..!!!!!!