Why make fun of them for being out of shape? They already pretty much ended their mainstream careers. Look at there match from 2010, it was actually pretty good
I've read that WWE is planning a "Top 25 Rivalries" DVD for 2013. I agree that the Raven-Dreamer feud should be on it, it was a very personal and believable feud. My guess is that it will be on it, between number 20 and number 25.
Can someone find this full matches and put them on youtube, please and thank you. Northeast Wrestling (NEW), 09/12/2011 Tommy Dreamer vs Luke Robinson, 01/10/2011 Tommy Dreamer vs Luke Robinson
Ecw changed American wrestling fmw changed Japanese wrestling and VINCE ruined the business in the USA he ran all the old territories out of business to leave us with a few companies like roh or czw where there biggest show draws 13-1500
ECW was, and is, staggeringly overrated, it was essentially a regional territory with above-average booking (and I say that as someone that lived thru it as a dedicated pro wrestling fan)
How did ECW change wrestling? It's ironic ECW fans claim this, as ECW itself had essentially copied other promotions such as FMW, the Detroit territory run by The Sheik and the Continental Wrestling Association. In the case of FMW, it was proven that a hardcore and extremely offensive and violent product could draw tens of thousand of fans, yet ECW never drew much beyond the paltry numbers of the smallest venues possible/imaginable in wrestling. ECW was highly overrated.
Of course it changed wrestling, it's not even debatable. When ECW was doing edgier and more mature angles, with realistic characters and gimmicks the big 2 were still doing cartoon wrestling. ECW has been repeatedly named a revolution because what it started led to changes across the business i.e. The attitude era. The attitude era basically was ECW
These two legends had the best feud in wrestling history............
hammer95618 agree
@@AzraelDarkness64Gaming agree and probably one of the bloodiest as well
One of best rivalries in wrestling history!
I could sit and hear these two talk all day
Tommy looks like Julian in Trailer Park Boys...Patrick Swayze lol
Swayze uses illegal parts. Dirty bastard making Sebastian feel bad.
I WOULD PAY AT LEAST $100 FOR A CORNETTE VS RUSSO FACEOFF DVD
King Chong 4 years later, we all would
100%
This was one of the best rivalries ever! ECW was so boss, these two and RVD had me hooked!
Best rivalry of my lifetime.
2 great guys one awesome feud...
Tommy Dreamer - The MacGuyver of kicking ass.
if wwe ever did a greatest rivalries these two should be it then raven/sandman that saying how much raven was important to ECW
raven's business card reads "Raven E. Coyote, super genius"
If there was ever a wrestler who's real life personality is absolutely nothing like his wrestling persona, it's Raven.
Two Favourites of mine
This isn't quite as intense as the Balls vs. New Jack Face Off!
Something New new jack is a piece of shit period
Raven looks just like Axel Rose now.
Dreamer does not look that much older, but Raven wow he looks like he is 60 years old lol
Why make fun of them for being out of shape? They already pretty much ended their mainstream careers. Look at there match from 2010, it was actually pretty good
I've read that WWE is planning a "Top 25 Rivalries" DVD for 2013. I agree that the Raven-Dreamer feud should be on it, it was a very personal and believable feud. My guess is that it will be on it, between number 20 and number 25.
Jonathan Turbide Should be. I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but it might be my favorite rivalry of all-time.
finaly a shoot with dreamer
Dreamer's very soft spoken. And he looks a lot better held together than Raven; just look at their faces.
Two legends
Two legends 👍🤘
Can someone find this
full matches and put them on youtube, please and thank you. Northeast Wrestling (NEW), 09/12/2011 Tommy Dreamer vs Luke Robinson,
01/10/2011 Tommy Dreamer vs Luke Robinson
and raven has a medical condition where it hard to lose weight
tommy dreamer = louie ck with hair
Raven has an I.Q of 143.
tommy vs raven was good fued
Tommy's normal speaking voice is nothing like his wrestling promo voice.
Dreamer reminds me of Louis ck
Ecw changed American wrestling fmw changed Japanese wrestling and VINCE ruined the business in the USA he ran all the old territories out of business to leave us with a few companies like roh or czw where there biggest show draws 13-1500
true!!!
Legends
Scott Levy (Raven) has an I.Q of 143.
i dont buy from RF because of his issues but if i buy anything from rf it would be this
When Dreamer goes to TNA he can listen to Raven calling him "fat-ass" all day long.
Tremendous.
haha they are great
Age smashed Raven harder than a chair shot to the head, goddamn.
Raven is one weird looking dude. Hes looked like about a dozen different people in the past decade alone.
ECW was, and is, staggeringly overrated, it was essentially a regional territory with above-average booking (and I say that as someone that lived thru it as a dedicated pro wrestling fan)
Staggeringly overrated? Jesus Christ I'd hate to know promotions you enjoy then
The stupidity within this comment baffles me. Who gives a shit if you lived through anybody would realize the impact ECW had on wrestling.
Raven is the worst. He looks 65 here
good godd raven looks horrible
@ikpsos Drugs will do that to you.
@DFV12687 made the sabu-taz look like shit
Lol America, freedom my ass.
How did ECW change wrestling? It's ironic ECW fans claim this, as ECW itself had essentially copied other promotions such as FMW, the Detroit territory run by The Sheik and the Continental Wrestling Association. In the case of FMW, it was proven that a hardcore and extremely offensive and violent product could draw tens of thousand of fans, yet ECW never drew much beyond the paltry numbers of the smallest venues possible/imaginable in wrestling.
ECW was highly overrated.
Of course it changed wrestling, it's not even debatable. When ECW was doing edgier and more mature angles, with realistic characters and gimmicks the big 2 were still doing cartoon wrestling. ECW has been repeatedly named a revolution because what it started led to changes across the business i.e. The attitude era. The attitude era basically was ECW
true..totally agree with you benjamin!