From Stanley Karl to Don Kramer, in the last 24 hours is just brutal hearing their side and views on things. This whole situation has been insane, so many red flags, so many times it should have been prevented, and Stockton got away with it dying smugly.
@@loislois3526 Well as Karl put it he wanted to be important, to be remembered, and now he will be in one of the worst ways possible. He ruined his life, ended it, ruined the lives of many families, and ruined the company and the workers lives, sad to see the lawyers fighting against every claim so hard even though they know that company is done. He also has irreparably damaged the submersible industry which had a pretty clean record even with much of it being self governed, as with all things ego and pride are often the undoing.
I think this entire investigation comes down to one quote from Bart Kemper… “you get to say oops once”. And being that OceanGate did not even make a reasonable attempt to initially test and then retest over time all of the components of the sub there is absolutely no reason that people should have been in that thing let alone lay people and paying passengers!
What the second guy said about VVUQ was really important for people like that oceangate woman customer/ "mission specialist" to hear. When she was saying they were like the Apollo missions & how explorers did it. Which is a load of cr*p. They did it properly & DID take all the physics into account. They didnt use designs that were know to have real issues, just cos it was cheaper to make some money first. They didnt ignore know data or ignore proper testing cos it was costly. Early explorers used proven to float materials, the most proven & tested boat designs, & skilled workman , to make the boats to explore with. The Apollo missions did all of this & built in redundancy on top of redundancy etc. They didnt just throw it out there to "see what happens". They used the best data, spent the money to do it properly. Stockton really scammed his customers into see only what he wanted them to think. And he made them feel important to "exploring", so he could use them. Theres a reason these VVUQ etc systems work. Cos they do.
Yup. And the challenger failed cause of pressure to launch that day and playing with temperatures. The rest of their methods or construction was more sound
Based on the acoustic data alone, I feel like that proves malice on Stockton's part. It was blatant a catastrophic failure was going to happen with the carbon fiber after dive 80 and 81.
That sub should have NEVER been down 80+ times. Typically, the sub would be taken out of service and disassembled after a much smaller number of dives and studied before further dives.
It would've been really funny if the board would've released the second guy right after he finished telling his entire life story without asking him a single question 😂
I believe Bart Kempers testimonial as an expert witness was by far the best in terms of getting down to the nitty gritty and into the science and engineering. Hands down. Much respect to William Kohnen and his knowledge and expertise, experience, and development. The first dude… was like I was paid to read numbers… “ha ha ha haaaa.”
He was nervous, it dries your mouth out, and i doubt he wanted to continue taking small sips of water when they werent asking questions. He had long periods of no questions asked when he was explaining his findings
Looks like the forward ring failed. I think it's reasonable to suspect the carbon fiber inside the rings compressed more than the titanium Which caused the breach and the implosion. It was mentioned that one of the domes actually fell off the covering when they brought it up from a dive.. from what I understand they just glued back on. So I'm just guessing for what I see.
What I don’t get is this , this glue I know it won’t hold the doom in place close or near the surface but at this depth the water pressure is immense and holding that done in its place , unless the pressure was immense from that doom against the the ring and caused it to fail
The dome 'fell off' because only 4 (8mm I think) bolts were used to hold it in place, whereas I think there were 17-18 specified, the argument was that the pressure will hold the dome in place. Post dive, the Titan and launch sled were being heaved on board and experienced a downward slam which sheared the bolts!! The dome weighed around 3800lbs or 1727kgs, so when slammed, it not only sheared the 4 locating bolts but the side hinge as well. Again, there is some speculation as to whether the hinge could hold the weight of the dome as a dolly/prop was used to support it during loading and maintenance............terrifying standards of engineering if true. You also have to question what an impact, with that kind of shear force, did to the adhesive interface?
@@cud0s Yeah, not only that but that glue interface was also being asked to take the lateral loading of that end cap on a continuous basis, can't image the load being exerted on the interface on the 380 mile tow through the north Atlantic on its way to the wreck site on that fatal dive!!
I think he's trying to use the platform to make the ( important) point that the knowledge you have isn't meant to be a commodity . As humans wanting better for humans, you share it so everyone does better If you want to use society & be a part of it, then you have a responsibility to those people to use all the data ( not ignore the bits you don't like or cost more to implement ) & your experiments etc data should be shared too, so others don't make the same ignorant mistakes , cos the data is kept behind company paywalls. He's making the point that even rich moneymaking concerns have a responsibility to more than themselves. They don't get to hide behind "but I'm only interested in MY pockets". And a responsibility to be part of the process.
“What’s your professional opinion of the safety of the titan” “As a child i was one of 8 children…” 😂 But yes, i get he was making a statement. Just took a loooong time to do so
@@claudiaarjangi4914 Yea you have an IQ above 70 and the attention span of longer than a tik tok video unlike OP. Hilariously there are so many dumb dumbs out there. I'd actually love to see these people crumble under such an examination but that would require them to actually be involved in anything in their life worth a f__k in the first place. His point wasn't hard to follow or understand literally at all.
The front dome came off. Oops, well, just put it back on, and launch. 🚀 Excuse me?! Where is his wife btw, Wendy? She seriously didn’t think she should stop him?
She wasn’t on the witness list but could be called if another hearing is held. I’m glad she’s not - they are straight coming with facts. We’ll hear her BS later after the stage is set with all the reasons they were nuts. And she was rush’s right hand by the end reinforced his lunacy
It was a report of factual findings. They likely have their theories and evidence to support their interpretation of the data. NTSB will release their own report with that info once they are done. They are basically saying “here is what we can tell you at this moment irrefutably” but they don’t tell you why that is important. As an engineer, it was pretty damning all by itself without the interpretation and application.
I’ve watched most of these testimonies, and even tho I was barely understanding some of the more technical details, this one is difficult to stay interested , possibly due to oversharing???
The acrylic window guy sounded like the oratory equivalent of an old hickory baseball bat cracking sequential 500-footers every single moment his mouth was moving.
All these hearings are a waste of time. The sub was simply not structurally capable of descending to these depths, and imploded. It's hardly a mystery.
They still have to try and determine exactly which component or components failed, and why there was no regulatory framework stopping this madman from taking five innocent passengers to their deaths in what was a very experimental, hastily built and untested submersible....
You are missing the point. The component technologies were fine the craft had made a number of dives to the wreck before the inevitable disaster. The problem were in the combination of the components and the the method of construction, quality control, application and monitoring during operation which were all to say the least, shoddy and unprofessional. All these factors need investigation and regulations need to be put into law to prevent another 'genius' from doing the same in the future.
They have to pinpoint all the whys and how’s - they are proving it wasn’t structurally capable to the exact precise reasons. Waste of time ? Do you not like knowledge lol
It was pretty dry stuff for sure, but what he revealed was fascinating. The acoustic sensor located near the point of failure, the failure of the adhesive bonds between carbon fiber delaminations. I was surprised to see the top part of the hull was discovered in tact as it was. It made me wonder, the morbid person that I am, if the remains weren't blown to smithereens as youtube models suggested. And no, we won't see that footage.
From Stanley Karl to Don Kramer, in the last 24 hours is just brutal hearing their side and views on things. This whole situation has been insane, so many red flags, so many times it should have been prevented, and Stockton got away with it dying smugly.
Taking others with him too, what an effing tool
@@loislois3526 Well as Karl put it he wanted to be important, to be remembered, and now he will be in one of the worst ways possible. He ruined his life, ended it, ruined the lives of many families, and ruined the company and the workers lives, sad to see the lawyers fighting against every claim so hard even though they know that company is done. He also has irreparably damaged the submersible industry which had a pretty clean record even with much of it being self governed, as with all things ego and pride are often the undoing.
I could listen to William Kohnen (the guy talking about windows and such) all day every day. I love his views and voice so very much!
I think this entire investigation comes down to one quote from Bart Kemper… “you get to say oops once”. And being that OceanGate did not even make a reasonable attempt to initially test and then retest over time all of the components of the sub there is absolutely no reason that people should have been in that thing let alone lay people and paying passengers!
It’s crazy because the business model itself was so flawed. Then he committed too much - wouldn’t quit instead of go for bankruptcy or something
What the second guy said about VVUQ was really important for people like that oceangate woman customer/ "mission specialist" to hear.
When she was saying they were like the Apollo missions & how explorers did it.
Which is a load of cr*p.
They did it properly & DID take all the physics into account. They didnt use designs that were know to have real issues, just cos it was cheaper to make some money first.
They didnt ignore know data or ignore proper testing cos it was costly.
Early explorers used proven to float materials, the most proven & tested boat designs, & skilled workman ,
to make the boats to explore with.
The Apollo missions did all of this & built in redundancy on top of redundancy etc.
They didnt just throw it out there to "see what happens".
They used the best data, spent the money to do it properly.
Stockton really scammed his customers into see only what he wanted them to think.
And he made them feel important to "exploring", so he could use them.
Theres a reason these VVUQ etc systems work. Cos they do.
Yup. And the challenger failed cause of pressure to launch that day and playing with temperatures. The rest of their methods or construction was more sound
James Cameron's Limiting Factor is fully certified and classed. It is the only classed submersible certified to full ocean depth.
Based on the acoustic data alone, I feel like that proves malice on Stockton's part. It was blatant a catastrophic failure was going to happen with the carbon fiber after dive 80 and 81.
That sub should have NEVER been down 80+ times. Typically, the sub would be taken out of service and disassembled after a much smaller number of dives and studied before further dives.
It would've been really funny if the board would've released the second guy right after he finished telling his entire life story without asking him a single question 😂
😂
They kept asking him to focus and He. Will. Not. Be. Rushed. They finally gave up and enjoyed the ride.
@@Pippi-Longstocking Listen ... we do not want anyone to be RUSHED ... let that man live, LITERALLY!
I believe Bart Kempers testimonial as an expert witness was by far the best in terms of getting down to the nitty gritty and into the science and engineering. Hands down. Much respect to William Kohnen and his knowledge and expertise, experience, and development.
The first dude… was like I was paid to read numbers… “ha ha ha haaaa.”
will someone please give this man a glass of water
he has two little bottles standing there.
Am, am, cough, cough, am, am giggle am cough 😢
@@terryhiggins9700 i have utmost respect for this guy btw
He was nervous, it dries your mouth out, and i doubt he wanted to continue taking small sips of water when they werent asking questions. He had long periods of no questions asked when he was explaining his findings
@@zoe9190 i totally understand- it was a yoke
Looks like the forward ring failed. I think it's reasonable to suspect the carbon fiber inside the rings compressed more than the titanium Which caused the breach and the implosion. It was mentioned that one of the domes actually fell off the covering when they brought it up from a dive.. from what I understand they just glued back on. So I'm just guessing for what I see.
Glue joint failed between two different materials. Any "backyard" engineer coulda told you thats most likely failure point anyway
What I don’t get is this , this glue I know it won’t hold the doom in place close or near the surface but at this depth the water pressure is immense and holding that done in its place , unless the pressure was immense from that doom against the the ring and caused it to fail
The dome 'fell off' because only 4 (8mm I think) bolts were used to hold it in place, whereas I think there were 17-18 specified, the argument was that the pressure will hold the dome in place. Post dive, the Titan and launch sled were being heaved on board and experienced a downward slam which sheared the bolts!! The dome weighed around 3800lbs or 1727kgs, so when slammed, it not only sheared the 4 locating bolts but the side hinge as well. Again, there is some speculation as to whether the hinge could hold the weight of the dome as a dolly/prop was used to support it during loading and maintenance............terrifying standards of engineering if true. You also have to question what an impact, with that kind of shear force, did to the adhesive interface?
@@TylerDurdan241 crazy that they did not inspect it after this. The forces on the interface must have been huge
@@cud0s Yeah, not only that but that glue interface was also being asked to take the lateral loading of that end cap on a continuous basis, can't image the load being exerted on the interface on the 380 mile tow through the north Atlantic on its way to the wreck site on that fatal dive!!
2:41:10 what is this guy even rambling about it's been like 10 minutes
I think he's trying to use the platform to make the ( important) point that the knowledge you have
isn't meant to be a commodity . As humans wanting better for humans, you share it so everyone does better
If you want to use society & be a part of it, then you have a responsibility to those people to use all the data ( not ignore the bits you don't like or cost more to implement )
& your experiments etc data should be shared too, so others don't make the same ignorant mistakes , cos the data is kept behind company paywalls.
He's making the point that even rich moneymaking concerns have a responsibility to more than themselves.
They don't get to hide behind "but I'm only interested in MY pockets".
And a responsibility to be part of the process.
Seriously! Was getting annoying and "cringy", especially after the time warning!
“What’s your professional opinion of the safety of the titan”
“As a child i was one of 8 children…” 😂
But yes, i get he was making a statement. Just took a loooong time to do so
@@claudiaarjangi4914 Yea you have an IQ above 70 and the attention span of longer than a tik tok video unlike OP. Hilariously there are so many dumb dumbs out there. I'd actually love to see these people crumble under such an examination but that would require them to actually be involved in anything in their life worth a f__k in the first place. His point wasn't hard to follow or understand literally at all.
19 minutes!!....... 2:27 - 2:46 And that was in response to the first question 🥺
"Tell me about the plastic window"
"Well, a long time ago the romans invented the arch.."
I 100% thought you were exaggerating lol
@@jbkkkkk That guy is great is he not? xD
@@hernerweisenberg7052 Yeah I listened to him last night to fall asleep lol
The front dome came off. Oops, well, just put it back on, and launch. 🚀
Excuse me?!
Where is his wife btw, Wendy? She seriously didn’t think she should stop him?
She wasn’t on the witness list but could be called if another hearing is held. I’m glad she’s not - they are straight coming with facts. We’ll hear her BS later after the stage is set with all the reasons they were nuts. And she was rush’s right hand by the end reinforced his lunacy
Also I’m not sure she could stop him, sounds like no one could but if she married such a man I doubt she had much power
9:08:55 " it's inherently unsafe "
This diving in this submersible was like playing a game of Russian roulette.
I don't agree. There's a Nonzero chance of surviving Russian roulette.
@@ispeeeaaakeeewhaaaleee Russian Roulette with a 9mm Beretta
I will do a video response to the first witness's statements... He has given us very telling information.
i work on boats for a living i recommend not going deep in a tin can with a xbox controller
Agreed. I think anyone with some understanding of physics would look at that and say no thanks.
The input device was not the issue.
So, just to verify, Kramer doesnt know if their observations of the materials are related to how it imploded? Did they not complete an analysis?
It was a report of factual findings. They likely have their theories and evidence to support their interpretation of the data. NTSB will release their own report with that info once they are done. They are basically saying “here is what we can tell you at this moment irrefutably” but they don’t tell you why that is important. As an engineer, it was pretty damning all by itself without the interpretation and application.
thank you for explaining! What is the most damning part, in your opinion? @@BuddyTobyTV
2:25:00 filabuster king! He talks about cows, farms, 1800's and other juicy stuff😅
Been here all week. It's simultaneously fascinating and frustrating. Egomaniac running wild will only end badly.
Wow the V1 hull was full of imperfections.
And hit by lightning
When a guy with white hair tells you about his German farm childhood just listen.
LOL, funny. 😂
did the window get recovered? Or any parts of it? Pretty important component to to find
The womans face when the guy is going over his entire life story is priceless
I’ve watched most of these testimonies, and even tho I was barely understanding some of the more technical details, this one is difficult to stay interested , possibly due to oversharing???
He rambled for sure
At the end of his testimony he finally was fluid
When he stayed on point, he was interesting. Just took a while to get there
The Coast Guard should have published this video without ads. It’s a public hearing - shameful that money is being made on this.
The Coast Guard actually did. The Associated Press is running ads on their channel here.
Does anyone know if the carbon composite section was vacuum bagged? If he discussed it, I missed it.
He said the kinks they found in the carbon fiber layers could have been made during the process of being vacuum bagged
@@firebird4240 thx
does anyone have timestamps?
The acrylic window guy sounded like the oratory equivalent of an old hickory baseball bat cracking sequential 500-footers every single moment his mouth was moving.
You didn’t have too😂
Can't even get PowerPoint to work right yet. was working on taking sub to go to titanic 😅
11:59
7:00
Can this long winded guy answer the questions vs using this as a pulpit to tell us machines are needed underwater.
His nervous laughter annoys me.
it comes down to one mans ego
Unfortunately, this happened outside of the USA and in international waters. Why would they care about US and State laws?
Because it started getting built in the US.
It was operated with passengers by a US Corporation.
@@nevisstkitts8264 But not in US waters and not out of the US, out of Canada.
@@SMac86 UNCLOS Article 94 applies to the vessel in question, the Titan.
@@nevisstkitts8264 But it didn't have an American flag, so it doesn't apply...
All these hearings are a waste of time. The sub was simply not structurally capable of descending to these depths, and imploded. It's hardly a mystery.
They still have to try and determine exactly which component or components failed, and why there was no regulatory framework stopping this madman from taking five innocent passengers to their deaths in what was a very experimental, hastily built and untested submersible....
Not a waste, it needs exposure from people in the industry - it's the only way to help prevent further people from 'doing it my way'.
@@rodneytapit5636100% and not to mention to educate the public!!
You are missing the point.
The component technologies were fine the craft had made a number of dives to the wreck before the inevitable disaster.
The problem were in the combination of the components and the the method of construction, quality control, application and monitoring during operation which were all to say the least, shoddy and unprofessional.
All these factors need investigation and regulations need to be put into law to prevent another 'genius' from doing the same in the future.
They have to pinpoint all the whys and how’s - they are proving it wasn’t structurally capable to the exact precise reasons. Waste of time ? Do you not like knowledge lol
This guy talks WAAAAYYYYYY too much. This was hard to watch,
Lotta people with thalassophobia watching these, like me, hehe.
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Now that the brag session is over...
Wow that woman has a college degree? She sounds like a middle schooler. Educate yourself a bit
She needs to ask basic questions for public record.
This dr Cramer guy is awful to listen to. Could they have found someone who can articulate and speak properly?
He's waaaay better than the guy that comes next trust me
he's an engineer, what can you expect
One of those people who can't open their mouths without saying so.... Shame he's not very articulate given the interesting subject matter.
I guess he doesn't care , because his specialty isn't focussed on speaking to please the masses.
It was pretty dry stuff for sure, but what he revealed was fascinating. The acoustic sensor located near the point of failure, the failure of the adhesive bonds between carbon fiber delaminations. I was surprised to see the top part of the hull was discovered in tact as it was. It made me wonder, the morbid person that I am, if the remains weren't blown to smithereens as youtube models suggested. And no, we won't see that footage.
She asked some of the most ridiculous questions. I guess they had to have a token woman.
The second witness 🥱😡. Why use 5 words when 500 will do.