Although I have a couple 372xp kits, I have yet to built or run an all out clone saw. I believe you've covered the reality of purchasing and operating one of these saws. Nicely done, thank you.
Great saws. Have several… fun to tinker on… hobbiest saws… something breaks get oem parts and on you go! Have a 372,388 and 2 -255’s. Great fun if you enjoy running power saws. The little 255’s are the sleepers! They can rip with simple mods!
i have an addiction to these clone saws. my favorite is a big bore g444 that aaron ported for me. i have a few high end saws also but i like my ported clones just as much as the ones i paid stupid amounts of money for. clones might not be oem quality but they are great in my opinion
Totally agree. I have 62 and a 91cc clone that have been pulled down and cleaned up. The carbs on mine were typical Chinese junk and changed out to Walbro. Poor manifold alignment on the 91 and cleaned up the port. The 91cc is a great saw now and is close to any of my Huskys. With the carby change the 91cc cost me $365 Aus
@KillingerUSA a guy I found on TH-cam named Aaron built it for me and I had no idea a saw could run like this. it makese smile Everytime I think about that big bore g444. he calls it the 460 lite. it'll pull long bars great but at the moment I have a 20 inch on it with an 8 pin sprocket and it's like a laser thru wood. kinda like holding on to a racing dirt bike too
@KillingerUSA that's awesome that you know him. he's been great to get saws from and he's always done everything he said he'd do when Ive done business with him. I've not ran ported saws except ones I have done myself up until I started getting saws from him and his saws are much better than anything I'm capable of building. seems like a real stand up guy
Hi! I've been running a blue G388 for about 6 years, every day all winter long, carb gets a little finicky sometimes with weather conditions! Like so well, bought a 372 just haven't had the time to get it dialed in! Be safe an I hope we don't get hammered Sun.Monday.
A BIG saw is on my list. I don't need one very often nor do I want to run one very often. I'm definitely going to look into a clone of some sort. I'll hit ya up when I'm gonna buy!! Thanks for the info Chris
Between my sons and myself, we have 28 Stihl chainsaws. We bought one of the 660 Chinese saws, put Stihl wristpin and rings in it, and use it on a chainsaw mill for logs too big to saw on the sawmill. No problems so far.
I just bought the g660 for cleaning up the hurricane damage. lots of hardwood blew over but ran 2 tanks through it today and did well. I’m still running a rich tune and taking it easy for 1 more tank then it’s mod the muffler and lean it out. Time will tell.
Just subscribed. Didn't realize you were the guy I bought some axe handles from some years back. Still making handles? I have a few heads hung on your handles. Great to see your channel.
I have the same saw that I run as my Alaskan sawmill the only 2 problems I have had with it is the chain break messed up which is no big deal because for what it’s used for don’t need that and the chain tensioner messed up on it
Christmas present was the 440 clone assembled saw and the 460 mag clone as a "repair kit." We lost a lot of small engine shops to the flooding from Helene, so I've taken my "enthusiast hobby" and gone semi-pro to support the volunteers coming into the area. The 440 is the blueprint to building the 460 and I want to get in to porting. They're the perfect platform to learn and make mistakes with because at the end of the day, another one is ~$175 plus shipping and 4 weeks. If I can get a clone saw to outcut stock OEM, I'm hoping to get performance rebuild requests using the clones as tester-loaners.
Thanks for the video. I made my living with the real saws.Now lm old & still cut my own wood. I have been waiting to talk to someone like you that works with saws most days of the week.
Tried two of them, put stihl carbs, handle bars, chain tensioner on them. Both bles up after about 100 mbf. They’re pretty, light and cheap but don’t last.
You generally get what you pay for. On a side note, I would never sell rotten 🔥 firewood. I cut 3/4 the way through, roll the log over, then cut the rest of the way through. I never get my chain close to dirt/ground..... happy trails 👣
I completely agree here. Buying them to perfect is well worth it if you have the knowledge to do so. If you want that price range and have an amazing saw, buy an echo cs 590p. Those are the best value hands down as an open the box and go cut with it saw. Plus they can handle a 27 well for the size of them. I would love buying the clones now days just for the price. Cheap and decent for what they are.
I bought a garwinner 20" from walmart for 120$... And i love it! It starts easier than any stihl i have ever tried to start! Runs like a pro too! Only issue is finding a replacement bar... I have one now that i use regularly at home! And if it quits running, ill buy another one!😅
I picked up the G372xp off Amazon for $215 free shipping and have used it on multiple 5ft oaks after hurricane Helene. I'm now using it to mill while waiting on a G395xp to arrive
I agree if you have the time and the mechanical ability and are willing to sort out the bugs that come with many of the clone saws, these can be fun and you save a little money. If you make a living on a saw just get the original.
I have the 660!! I have had it 2 years now, I have had to replace the chain brake twice now!! My paperwork that came with it says to use 25:1 fuel mixture!! It is definitely my go to saw lots of power!! For the money I spent on it no complaints!!
Most of my saws are Stihl which I love but I have a G660 Halsforma (Big Blue) just for the few big projects , for my type projects I couldn’t justify the big bucks for the bigger Stihl it comes down to 💰
I have a 20" still that's 35 years old and runs great. Just bought a holzforma 660 Chinese with 32" bar for occasionial use for big trees and ripping. So far so good.
I just bought one of these G660s for fun and to try my hand at porting in the near future. It's definitely overkill for my applications, but I sure as hell enjoy running and cutting wood with it! My ms291 is my bread and butter saw. That one stays stock :). How much extra power did you get with the Bark Box? I been thinking about adding one.
I dont really notice much extra power on any of the saws when I install the bark box. I have them on just about all my saws. They seem to run better, that is for sure.
I had a Husky bar and saw the Holzfforma 372 on sale with free shipping (!) so I got it delivered for like 190 bucks. I have had it for years and it’s my go-to saw now. If you’re curious about the clone saws, I say take a chance and you may be surprised.
You always say I’m not buying an inexpensive wood splitter buuutttt you buy the clone saws🤔. you do you . I split all my wood by hand (except for the burly ones I saw instead) but I only use 3 or 4 cord a year. blessings
@@robertsnyder5193 yes. And i always follow it up by saying the reason why is a cheap splitter is to slow. I can't just stand there and wait for the cylinder to retract. Way quicker to just split it. If they made a knock off wolf ridge or Easton made, and it was just as fast as the real deal, I'd own it. Haha
I have had decent luck with using some plastics, like the clutch covers or exhaust gaskets and carbs from farmertec, onto stihl 200t’s and 066’s. I can say there’s a massive difference in the metallurgical quality of cylinder heads between stihl and the clones. It’s all in what you feel like doing with your skills.
Great information for sure. I believe china made stuff is made to different standards . I don t have experience with chain saws but small china made gas engines . My experence Habor freight engines 5 will be fine the 6 th will not run of course take in back they give you another one . Kolher is china made also and are very tough same with Honda which many components are made in China . Of course the price is much higher. We did learn the low oil warning on the harbor freight rarely works . Have a great New year
I don't generally mess with small engines, but for the price, I can learn on it without worrying about throwing 1000's away and have a back-up saw that is larger. I have an MS362 and for my firewood cutting it's more than I need 95% of the time, but hey, in the immortal words of Tim "the toolman" Taylor: MORE POWER!
Nice video. I prefer my Stihl vs supporting a company that copies someone else's hard work and research. Plus, I know I have a huge support network in the unlikely event it is needed.
Any small engine or sthil dealer would be happy to supply you parts or work on your clone saw. They do not care. Money is money . I do get what your saying but, if the companies hadn't outsourced the parts to China for reproduction so they could save money on manufacturing, then China wouldn't have been able to copy them.
Chris. Thank you for the advice that you gave me concerning clone saws. I can't fix anything. I went with the Husky 460 Rancher and could not be happier. It is perfect for firewood on my 40 acres. Happy New Year 🙏🏿🇺🇸🪓. Let's see more videos 👍🏿
I got one of those saws and it has never gave me much trouble the only problem I had was the chain tensioner and the clutch but other than that it has been a great saw for being a clone and it's 2 years old now and has cut a ton of wood I use it for firewood and for buckin logs on the landing
My Stihl MS 251C would cut all of what he just did. Also have an over 30 year old 310 with a 20 inch bar and a 180C with a 16 inch bar. I have just bought this saw with a 36 inch bar and chain for $430 shipped from Wagner for an occasional use knock down saw but have not used it yet. I have used/owned many different brand saws over the years but have been strictly Stihl for the last 20 years or so. The best saws are the ones that work, Stihl break down and wear out too.
Of course a 251c would cut this wood. This is just what I have laying here that needed cut. Just wanted to show the saw running rather than just talking about it.
I cut the same size trees you have setting there with Ryobi P2502BTL 18 HP Chainsaw all the time, I start out with Six fully charged 4ah batteries in the morning & cut till they all run out of juice about noon, & they are CHEAPER than that one & I DON'T have to fool with the gas etc.
I've had a G660 for several years. Bought it for chainsaw milling and had some extra work done to it (porting, max airflow filter, high output oiler, bark box). It is a great saw for the money, but heavy as all get out. Not something you'll carry around the woods. But if I have large wood to cut I throw the 36" bar on that saw and get it done in short order. Like you said, it's not OEM quality, but for anything you aren't using to make a living and only use now and then, do you really need OEM? If you can afford it, by all means, otherwise these saws aren't too shabby.
Although I don’t own a Chinese clone, he’s absolutely right. Don’t buy one and immediately put gas in her. Take it apart, and check everything over. If I decide to get one, I’ll be sure to do a full tear down. Clean up the cylinder, do some modest porting, do a vac/pressure test - maybe replace the crank seals etc. Check all the bolts/flywheel gap also. since this is a 1:1 clone of a stihl -you can replace key stuff of concern with OEM if need be. Cheers
I got the holzaforma g372xppro and I run the hell out of it cutting oak trees in California for firewood that I sale must have cut 50 to 100 cords with it 0 problems with it just adjusted once or twice the carburetor works so good I retired my 562xp hardly use it
'Sup Killer. "Clone" or "Counterfeit"? (80's lingo) Confused. I have a Husquavarna 405 on the way . 20" bar , $405.00 on Amazon. I was going to get an Echo but can't really afford downtime. on clearing a driveway.
I have a clone, and I also have the real thing. I find myself babying the real one and taking chances with the clone, obviously because the clone was so much cheaper you arent afraid of damaging it.
Got a blue g372xp. Wouldn't hold a tune aggravating. Bought it to modify. It had 2 major problems . The carb was junk. Replaced with a $16 carb off amazon. The fuel tank vent didn't vent. Drilled a hole through it with a wire drill. After that I tryed various combinations of pistons and jug modifications all for Iike no money. What I ended up with will absolutely smoke a 372xp, spent less than 1/4 the money, and have spare parts to boot. From what I have heard the stihl copies which are newer have less problems. For the money what is the comparison? Box store made in china vs copy of some of the best saws ever made,made in china? No brainer.
What carb on amazon? I got a g372xp on the way and thinking of throwing an oem walbro in it if I have issues. I did hear on another video that there is a cheap carb on amazon that works great, that's probably the one you got.
Glad you understand. Most folks don't realize the OEM parts, for the most part. Are made in China. Just go to a stihl dealer and buy a part. Look at it. Says right on it.
There has got be some loop hole in the emissions laws that they’re jumping through to sell them. The genuine manufacturers must develop new technologies in order to sell their products and pass stricter emission standards. That cost gets passed on to the consumer. Another hidden ‘tax’ for the buyer that will probably lead to the downfall of the reputable manufacturer.
Dude your the first person I've heard say that ever , I try to explain to people, mostly friends as to why things are costing what they do HIDDEN TAXES, all typically environmentally based , tax on mining resources, tax on transporting " dangerous " metal ores , tax on tires , tax on refining, tax on paint , tax on disposal of scrap crap at factory, tax on shipping again tax on selling any products, tax again the consumer 30% or more of what we pay for everything is TAXES mostly hidden, & when you try to explain it to people they think your nut that it couldn't possibly be true
Seems to me from what I've heard from you, and others,-No, it ain't a Stihl. But it's worth what you pay for it. Personally, I'm good with paying less and getting something that is good enough. I don't need top of the line anything. Good enough is good enough.
I have watched a few people with channels on here. They buy these the very first action be they male or female young or old is throw the instructions away ! They know it all. Even the fuel mix they ignore. They set them up start them up and go straight in with the screwdriver and start messing with the jet settings. No warm up no running in No. They know it all. No respect for the engineers no respect for the factory who get and preset thousands of these saws no they don't know anything. And it is because of the price. Disrespect because of the price point people love being ripped off they say they don't but really they do.
Consider every high quality German part has been replaced with a low quality Chinese part, why would you expect it to be the same machine. I bought a used MS650 for $400 bucks and it is the real thing and probably worth much more than that today. That used Chinese saw isn't worth much and never will be.
I would rather spend the extra money on a Stihl then support a copy cat Chinese saw - that's just me, tired of Chinese products period ! also a Blue chainsaw looks really weird and cheap 😎
@@dennistewell6638 hey, everyone has their limitations! No arguments here. Buy the real deal. However, you may be upset to find out that a lot of parts on the OEM are made in China.
I would argue that if you don't have the capability of learning how to adjust the carburetor and do maintenance on it, you probably don't have any business buying ANY chainsaw, except maybe an electric one. Chainsaw maintenance is not hard, and there is a youtube video for EVERYTHING. I burned up my G444 pushing it a little too hard in my mill, and was able to replace the cylinder and piston in under an hour. And I have NEVER done anything like that before. 2-strokes are dead simple machines. Anyone can work on them. And for the price of a new jug and piston, I could replace the piston every 2 years for the next 30 years, and STILL not have approached the price of the real Stihl version.
Yep, I’ll have to agree with you on all of that. I have the same one by neo Tech 892 runs great but the gas and bar oil caps leak. Other than that it’s a great saw.👍🪵🪵🪵
mine has been fantastic for almost 3 years, i chainsaw mill with mine. i own (3) 660 and (1) 888 most time has 36 inch , but times i havs to bury 42 and 54 inch bars. the 660's are in my thought best bang for the bucks.
Nice seeing you out running the saw. I hope you get all your wood in before the bad weather hits. Be blessed. My friend.
Nice job. I've had great luck with my holzfforma saws. I've got the 660, the 395xp and the 372xp. They've been great saws for years now. 👍👍
I hear you! I think these saws are way better than most people give them credit for.
Although I have a couple 372xp kits, I have yet to built or run an all out clone saw. I believe you've covered the reality of purchasing and operating one of these saws. Nicely done, thank you.
Clean the crank bearings of debris.
@scottcrowley2061 Yes, bearings were previously cleaned and sprayed with WD-40. Thank you.
Great saws. Have several… fun to tinker on… hobbiest saws… something breaks get oem parts and on you go! Have a 372,388 and 2 -255’s. Great fun if you enjoy running power saws. The little 255’s are the sleepers! They can rip with simple mods!
Your advice is genuine and well stated. As a tinkerer in repair, I appreciate your wisdom. Blessings on you and yours.
i have an addiction to these clone saws. my favorite is a big bore g444 that aaron ported for me. i have a few high end saws also but i like my ported clones just as much as the ones i paid stupid amounts of money for. clones might not be oem quality but they are great in my opinion
Totally agree. I have 62 and a 91cc clone that have been pulled down and cleaned up. The carbs on mine were typical Chinese junk and changed out to Walbro. Poor manifold alignment on the 91 and cleaned up the port. The 91cc is a great saw now and is close to any of my Huskys. With the carby change the 91cc cost me $365 Aus
That sounds like a fun saw!
@KillingerUSA a guy I found on TH-cam named Aaron built it for me and I had no idea a saw could run like this. it makese smile Everytime I think about that big bore g444. he calls it the 460 lite. it'll pull long bars great but at the moment I have a 20 inch on it with an 8 pin sprocket and it's like a laser thru wood. kinda like holding on to a racing dirt bike too
@@matthewknight5641 i know Aaron. Good people. Very talented
@KillingerUSA that's awesome that you know him. he's been great to get saws from and he's always done everything he said he'd do when Ive done business with him. I've not ran ported saws except ones I have done myself up until I started getting saws from him and his saws are much better than anything I'm capable of building. seems like a real stand up guy
Hi! I've been running a blue G388 for about 6 years, every day all winter long, carb gets a little finicky sometimes with weather conditions! Like so well, bought a 372 just haven't had the time to get it dialed in! Be safe an I hope we don't get hammered Sun.Monday.
I cut over 8 cords with a proyama 12in. Top handle.
140$ and a new chain I haven't needed yet.
Then I got a 10 in for 93$ , works great
Got an off brand one, tree guy told me they can pull a 14 or 16" bar put a 14 on still rips, great rev happy saws!
That's awesome!
Nice show...I agree...the originals are always better than the copies. Service and dependability are more important to me than a few saved dollars.
haha! you would defiantly fall into the pro category. So yeah, these would not be for you. Im just a homeowner. I have time to tinker.
and yep... the pro flow filters help them alot also. and muffler mods... timing advance on some seems good too
I've got two of the Zenoah clones, and they're doing great. In their fifth year.
Nice
A BIG saw is on my list. I don't need one very often nor do I want to run one very often. I'm definitely going to look into a clone of some sort. I'll hit ya up when I'm gonna buy!! Thanks for the info Chris
Between my sons and myself, we have 28 Stihl chainsaws. We bought one of the 660 Chinese saws, put Stihl wristpin and rings in it, and use it on a chainsaw mill for logs too big to saw on the sawmill. No problems so far.
Nice!
I like the content and your truthfulness.
I just bought the g660 for cleaning up the hurricane damage. lots of hardwood blew over but ran 2 tanks through it today and did well. I’m still running a rich tune and taking it easy for 1 more tank then it’s mod the muffler and lean it out. Time will tell.
Just subscribed. Didn't realize you were the guy I bought some axe handles from some years back. Still making handles? I have a few heads hung on your handles. Great to see your channel.
@@natel7577 appreciate it! No, i stopped selling handles
@ a shame, dude you had the best ! Thanks have a great day bud.
I have the same saw that I run as my Alaskan sawmill the only 2 problems I have had with it is the chain break messed up which is no big deal because for what it’s used for don’t need that and the chain tensioner messed up on it
Christmas present was the 440 clone assembled saw and the 460 mag clone as a "repair kit." We lost a lot of small engine shops to the flooding from Helene, so I've taken my "enthusiast hobby" and gone semi-pro to support the volunteers coming into the area. The 440 is the blueprint to building the 460 and I want to get in to porting. They're the perfect platform to learn and make mistakes with because at the end of the day, another one is ~$175 plus shipping and 4 weeks. If I can get a clone saw to outcut stock OEM, I'm hoping to get performance rebuild requests using the clones as tester-loaners.
Thanks for the video. I made my living with the real saws.Now lm old & still cut my own wood. I have been waiting to talk to someone like you that works with saws most days of the week.
Tried two of them, put stihl carbs, handle bars, chain tensioner on them. Both bles up after about 100 mbf. They’re pretty, light and cheap but don’t last.
Perfectly said👍🏻
I always wondered about those saws...at the end of the day I'll take the real thing 👍
Chris, great job explaining pro’s & cons. 👍TCT
4 yrs into mine. Used as a felling saw. Cut 6months a year. So far so good
@@kevb9578 nice!
You generally get what you pay for. On a side note, I would never sell rotten 🔥 firewood. I cut 3/4 the way through, roll the log over, then cut the rest of the way through. I never get my chain close to dirt/ground..... happy trails 👣
Who said anything about selling rotten firewood?
I completely agree here. Buying them to perfect is well worth it if you have the knowledge to do so. If you want that price range and have an amazing saw, buy an echo cs 590p. Those are the best value hands down as an open the box and go cut with it saw. Plus they can handle a 27 well for the size of them. I would love buying the clones now days just for the price. Cheap and decent for what they are.
I have a 372 clone ported by Aaron and I love to run it. It’s been really dependable
If you can’t do all your own repairs and maintenance yourself on a chainsaw, these are not the saws for you.
Even if you can do your own repairs, parts are not available. Replace the bar or chain , throw out as soon as it gives trouble
If you have a “ clone “ , parts are interchangeable and mostly available.
Yes
Hope you had good holidays
I bought a garwinner 20" from walmart for 120$... And i love it! It starts easier than any stihl i have ever tried to start! Runs like a pro too! Only issue is finding a replacement bar... I have one now that i use regularly at home! And if it quits running, ill buy another one!😅
@@DavidDarnell-ep4be that's sweet !
Well said, couldn’t agree more.
I picked up the G372xp off Amazon for $215 free shipping and have used it on multiple 5ft oaks after hurricane Helene. I'm now using it to mill while waiting on a G395xp to arrive
I agree if you have the time and the mechanical ability and are willing to sort out the bugs that come with many of the clone saws, these can be fun and you save a little money. If you make a living on a saw just get the original.
Yes!
I have the 660!! I have had it 2 years now, I have had to replace the chain brake twice now!! My paperwork that came with it says to use 25:1 fuel mixture!! It is definitely my go to saw lots of power!! For the money I spent on it no complaints!!
Glad to hear you're happy with your saw!
Most of my saws are Stihl which I love but I have a G660 Halsforma (Big Blue) just for the few big projects , for my type projects I couldn’t justify the big bucks for the bigger Stihl it comes down to 💰
Perfect reason to own one!
I have a 20" still that's 35 years old and runs great. Just bought a holzforma 660 Chinese with 32" bar for occasionial use for big trees and ripping. So far so good.
Had a 031 AV that was well over 30 years old, put in an electronic ignition and kept running. No more points and condensor.
That's perfect!
I just bought one of these G660s for fun and to try my hand at porting in the near future. It's definitely overkill for my applications, but I sure as hell enjoy running and cutting wood with it! My ms291 is my bread and butter saw. That one stays stock :).
How much extra power did you get with the Bark Box? I been thinking about adding one.
I dont really notice much extra power on any of the saws when I install the bark box. I have them on just about all my saws. They seem to run better, that is for sure.
I had a Husky bar and saw the Holzfforma 372 on sale with free shipping (!) so I got it delivered for like 190 bucks. I have had it for years and it’s my go-to saw now. If you’re curious about the clone saws, I say take a chance and you may be surprised.
That’s awesome. You can’t beat that price.
I thought about getting one years ago when they were parts kits just to learn more by putting it together
That would be great for learning!
It seems like most people use an OEM still carb and ignition with those. I just use a Echo 590 with a few mods
You always say I’m not buying an inexpensive wood splitter buuutttt you buy the clone saws🤔. you do you . I split all my wood by hand (except for the burly ones I saw instead) but I only use 3 or 4 cord a year. blessings
@@robertsnyder5193 yes. And i always follow it up by saying the reason why is a cheap splitter is to slow. I can't just stand there and wait for the cylinder to retract. Way quicker to just split it. If they made a knock off wolf ridge or Easton made, and it was just as fast as the real deal, I'd own it. Haha
I have had decent luck with using some plastics, like the clutch covers or exhaust gaskets and carbs from farmertec, onto stihl 200t’s and 066’s.
I can say there’s a massive difference in the metallurgical quality of cylinder heads between stihl and the clones.
It’s all in what you feel like doing with your skills.
Right!
Even replacement parts you can get real cheap on some of them. Shipping is a little high depending on where you get them.
Absolutely!
Great information for sure. I believe china made stuff is made to different standards . I don t have experience with chain saws but small china made gas engines . My experence Habor freight engines 5 will be fine the 6 th will not run of course take in back they give you another one . Kolher is china made also and are very tough same with Honda which many components are made in China . Of course the price is much higher. We did learn the low oil warning on the harbor freight rarely works . Have a great New year
I don't generally mess with small engines, but for the price, I can learn on it without worrying about throwing 1000's away and have a back-up saw that is larger. I have an MS362 and for my firewood cutting it's more than I need 95% of the time, but hey, in the immortal words of Tim "the toolman" Taylor: MORE POWER!
Yes!
Good advice I’ve been eyeing the 038 clone
, be well
@@troytreeguy i have that one as well, it as been a fantastic saw!
go for the 044 clone, i run both stihl 038 mag and a 044 and felt the 044 was just a hotter saw. something to think about anyways
Hello, I was just wondering if you knew of anyone who may be interested in buying a new never used Norlund Voyager hatchet with sheath? Thanks
@@Robert-Renewing try ebay or any of the Facebook groups. Easy axe to sell
I have no more problems with my many holzfforma saws that i didn't have with the equivalent sthil saws!
Exactly! Folks don't know what they are missing!
Sharp chains and being able to twik your own carb makes the sawing experience not the brand...Love your channel content and your abilities
Appreciate that!
So where do i buy these Chinese saws at .amazon and pic one ?
links in the discription
You can get a clone saw and run it for a long time on a hundred dollars for repair at a local oem saw shop
Exactly!
Nice video. I prefer my Stihl vs supporting a company that copies someone else's hard work and research. Plus, I know I have a huge support network in the unlikely event it is needed.
Any small engine or sthil dealer would be happy to supply you parts or work on your clone saw. They do not care. Money is money . I do get what your saying but, if the companies hadn't outsourced the parts to China for reproduction so they could save money on manufacturing, then China wouldn't have been able to copy them.
Chris. Thank you for the advice that you gave me concerning clone saws. I can't fix anything. I went with the Husky 460 Rancher and could not be happier. It is perfect for firewood on my 40 acres. Happy New Year 🙏🏿🇺🇸🪓. Let's see more videos 👍🏿
The husq ranchers are a great balance of affordability and quality. Good choice. Happy new year
Never have just one saw. At least get an extra bar and chain for when you get stuck.
40 acres.. Where do my American brothers get your bloody money from for that?! It's like £90,000 an acre here, and more! Small island I suppose!
@ScottMason-ss8ww I got mine for $750 and acre. It's way out in the country.
@@billywalker9223 over 10x cheaper than the UK, wow! It looks amazing out there my friend, hope you enjoy every minute, and every acre! 👍
I got one of those saws and it has never gave me much trouble the only problem I had was the chain tensioner and the clutch but other than that it has been a great saw for being a clone and it's 2 years old now and has cut a ton of wood I use it for firewood and for buckin logs on the landing
Sounds like a good saw, you got your money's worth!
My Stihl MS 251C would cut all of what he just did. Also have an over 30 year old 310 with a 20 inch bar and a 180C with a 16 inch bar. I have just bought this saw with a 36 inch bar and chain for $430 shipped from Wagner for an occasional use knock down saw but have not used it yet. I have used/owned many different brand saws over the years but have been strictly Stihl for the last 20 years or so. The best saws are the ones that work, Stihl break down and wear out too.
Of course a 251c would cut this wood. This is just what I have laying here that needed cut. Just wanted to show the saw running rather than just talking about it.
hi there interesting , best to all john
G'day Killinger, the 500i stays with the genuine 660 until the bar disappears 👍.
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I cut the same size trees you have setting there with Ryobi P2502BTL 18 HP Chainsaw all the time, I start out with Six fully charged 4ah batteries in the morning & cut till they all run out of juice about noon, & they are CHEAPER than that one & I DON'T have to fool with the gas etc.
@@REVNUMANEWBERN thats fantastic!
I've had a G660 for several years. Bought it for chainsaw milling and had some extra work done to it (porting, max airflow filter, high output oiler, bark box). It is a great saw for the money, but heavy as all get out. Not something you'll carry around the woods. But if I have large wood to cut I throw the 36" bar on that saw and get it done in short order. Like you said, it's not OEM quality, but for anything you aren't using to make a living and only use now and then, do you really need OEM? If you can afford it, by all means, otherwise these saws aren't too shabby.
Solid advice!
Although I don’t own a Chinese clone, he’s absolutely right. Don’t buy one and immediately put gas in her.
Take it apart, and check everything over.
If I decide to get one, I’ll be sure to do a full tear down. Clean up the cylinder, do some modest porting, do a vac/pressure test - maybe replace the crank seals etc.
Check all the bolts/flywheel gap also.
since this is a 1:1 clone of a stihl -you can replace key stuff of concern with OEM if need be.
Cheers
Good advice
I got the holzaforma g372xppro and I run the hell out of it cutting oak trees in California for firewood that I sale must have cut 50 to 100 cords with it 0 problems with it just adjusted once or twice the carburetor works so good I retired my 562xp hardly use it
Sounds like a good saw!
Clone saws are great for about a couple of hours usage at a time. After that, let them rest another couple of hours.
Not bad advice for any saw!
If you get one thats a popular model.
You can replace with genuine parts. Make an alright saw
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Honest 👍🏻
Hell even if you buy a broken old 066 or 044 good luck finding a gas tank!
Clone parts are still a fantastic option.
That is a problem, also for the 034....no more gas tanks available
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Saw seems decent for the price, fill those totes polar vortex is coming!!!
What is not as good?
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'Sup Killer. "Clone" or "Counterfeit"? (80's lingo) Confused. I have a Husquavarna 405 on the way . 20" bar , $405.00 on Amazon. I was going to get an Echo but can't really afford downtime. on clearing a driveway.
Kinda the same. Haha
I have a clone, and I also have the real thing.
I find myself babying the real one and taking chances with the clone, obviously because the clone was so much cheaper you arent afraid of damaging it.
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Great advice mate
Glad you liked it
The 661 is the same Price rite at 1500
Got a blue g372xp. Wouldn't hold a tune aggravating. Bought it to modify. It had 2 major problems . The carb was junk. Replaced with a $16 carb off amazon. The fuel tank vent didn't vent. Drilled a hole through it with a wire drill. After that I tryed various combinations of pistons and jug modifications all for Iike no money. What I ended up with will absolutely smoke a 372xp, spent less than 1/4 the money, and have spare parts to boot. From what I have heard the stihl copies which are newer have less problems. For the money what is the comparison? Box store made in china vs copy of some of the best saws ever made,made in china? No brainer.
What carb on amazon? I got a g372xp on the way and thinking of throwing an oem walbro in it if I have issues. I did hear on another video that there is a cheap carb on amazon that works great, that's probably the one you got.
Glad you understand. Most folks don't realize the OEM parts, for the most part. Are made in China. Just go to a stihl dealer and buy a part. Look at it. Says right on it.
@@duckygang603motoall. Still 16 and change on amazon.
I buy them because they are cheap and fun to modify and diagnose problems with lol!
@@larryw5429 exactly!!
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There has got be some loop hole in the emissions laws that they’re jumping through to sell them. The genuine manufacturers must develop new technologies in order to sell their products and pass stricter emission standards. That cost gets passed on to the consumer. Another hidden ‘tax’ for the buyer that will probably lead to the downfall of the reputable manufacturer.
Dude your the first person I've heard say that ever , I try to explain to people, mostly friends as to why things are costing what they do HIDDEN TAXES, all typically environmentally based , tax on mining resources, tax on transporting " dangerous " metal ores , tax on tires , tax on refining, tax on paint , tax on disposal of scrap crap at factory, tax on shipping again tax on selling any products, tax again the consumer 30% or more of what we pay for everything is TAXES mostly hidden, & when you try to explain it to people they think your nut that it couldn't possibly be true
Tax again
I hate taxes!
I’ll keep my German 066 & 064.
Good call!
Seems to me from what I've heard from you, and others,-No, it ain't a Stihl. But it's worth what you pay for it. Personally, I'm good with paying less and getting something that is good enough. I don't need top of the line anything. Good enough is good enough.
Nice, cheers buddy
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I have watched a few people with channels on here. They buy these the very first action be they male or female young or old is throw the instructions away ! They know it all. Even the fuel mix they ignore. They set them up start them up and go straight in with the screwdriver and start messing with the jet settings. No warm up no running in No. They know it all. No respect for the engineers no respect for the factory who get and preset thousands of these saws no they don't know anything. And it is because of the price. Disrespect because of the price point people love being ripped off they say they don't but really they do.
You seem angry. I have a feeling... you know it all.
@@KillingerUSA Observations based on watching reviews on these.
Consider every high quality German part has been replaced with a low quality Chinese part, why would you expect it to be the same machine. I bought a used MS650 for $400 bucks and it is the real thing and probably worth much more than that today. That used Chinese saw isn't worth much and never will be.
Good thing it was cheap!! Are we collecting or cutting firewood?
Both but bought it for chainsaw milling.
Bagus.
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I would rather spend the extra money on a Stihl then support a copy cat Chinese saw - that's just me, tired of Chinese products period ! also a Blue chainsaw looks really weird and cheap 😎
@@dennistewell6638 hey, everyone has their limitations! No arguments here. Buy the real deal. However, you may be upset to find out that a lot of parts on the OEM are made in China.
I would argue that if you don't have the capability of learning how to adjust the carburetor and do maintenance on it, you probably don't have any business buying ANY chainsaw, except maybe an electric one.
Chainsaw maintenance is not hard, and there is a youtube video for EVERYTHING. I burned up my G444 pushing it a little too hard in my mill, and was able to replace the cylinder and piston in under an hour. And I have NEVER done anything like that before. 2-strokes are dead simple machines. Anyone can work on them.
And for the price of a new jug and piston, I could replace the piston every 2 years for the next 30 years, and STILL not have approached the price of the real Stihl version.
@@OutdoorsWithChad you are 100% correct. It's not difficult and tons of videos on how to do the repairs.
Your talking US $ Canadian money 💰 is double $$! 😢
the canadian peso
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Good advice don't by chinese rubbish money is what you spend value is what you get
What about your phone? Is the exempt?
The truth is they are rubbish. The Stihl will outlast four of them... so the Stihl is cheaper.
My exsperiance says otherwise...... it's the same saw for 5 years now..... I'll let you know when it breaks. Please subscribe for updates!
Yep, I’ll have to agree with you on all of that. I have the same one by neo Tech 892 runs great but the gas and bar oil caps leak. Other than that it’s a great saw.👍🪵🪵🪵
mine has been fantastic for almost 3 years, i chainsaw mill with mine. i own (3) 660 and (1) 888 most time has 36 inch , but times i havs to bury 42 and 54 inch bars. the 660's are in my thought best bang for the bucks.
That's awesome!
I see ya don't mind cut'n wood ..cuz ofya hardy wood burn'n furnace..mine burnt lot of dam wood fuck that shit alright fer a young'n
@@Arkansasfestus haha! I love this stove! I can see how it would get annoying if you don't enjoy firewood.
@KillingerUSA yule save on utility bills and have planty of hot water but dam at the wood it burns ..happy new year feller
Well that makes no sense..either it works or it dont...if i cant take it out of the box and use it then its not what you want..
Exactly! Which is what i said in the video. Buy the real deal. These saws arnt for you.