Hey y'all, just thought I'd help out and say that this is under the Show/Hide Automation button now. Click to Show automation and Sustain will be one of the choices in the drop down menu that pops up.
Winner of a video, I've been looking for "what does middle pedal on piano do" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you ever come across - Danilliam Illustrious Dominance - (should be on google have a look ) ? It is a great one of a kind product for discovering how to learning piano fast minus the normal expense. Ive heard some amazing things about it and my friend got great success with it.
Good basic introduction to sustain, with a minor and a major caveat. The minor one is that I would put the gap overlapping the ending note of the previous bar and the first note of the following. The major issue is the sustain pedal in piano is not at all a on/off switch. By pressing the pedal you actually control how much the dampers are lifted away from blocking the strings and between 0 to 127 there are a lot of nuances that modern piano emulators take into account, like Pianoteq, as an example.
Holy crap!!! I was just watching one of your previous tutorials on midi where it touched on the sustain pedal and wanted to learn more, and now to see u have another video on it is fantastic!!!! thank you!!!
I want to do it with a real sustain pedal but it doesnt seem to work with my midi keyboard. Is there some preference in logic pro where i can fix this problem?
Wow! Thanks you so much for this. Being a piano/keyboard player, I do understand how a sustain pedal works, so this tip is extremely valuable. I actually just used it in realtime on a piano piece i''m completing right now. 😃
THANK YOU--!! no other you tube videos showing this feature..IM a long time P TOOLS user (Spent 10s of Thousands on their crXXAP ) still doesn't work well--- using Logic Pro X more and more...no issues at all smooth sailing!
Truly awesome! Ive been trying to figure out how to change the sustain pedal length , since i had some of the overlapping sound you mentioned here, Thanks brother!
For whatever reason, The automation select tool , when selecting a region, is dragging the whole thing over, not copying it and dragging like you show. Do you select the area, then Copy and paste? That seems to be working for me rather than dragging. I have the latest update though so maybe it is working differently.
I don´t mean to say what you teach here is wrong, i just would like to ask a question that also might help other confused people: I have seen several piano teachers teaching how to use the sustain pedal on similar pieces and they say to lift the pedal at the same time you press the chords(beggining in the second chord) and not to lift it earlier or later(like you teach here). I wonder if that is piece content related or a matter of taste? Also, why is the sustain pedal down in the first chord at the same time as the chord is played and not right after like the following chords? Thank you for this. Very well explained.
wow that option trick (to copy a automation part) is cool. Do you know if there is an easy way to draw such a shape, without having to click to get 4 automation dots?
Thank you very muth, it was a long time of cringe with automatization tracks, but that's the more easy way to automatizate controls inside midi track that i didn't know, thanks❤️
Hey Josh, I was trying to figure out how to add gradual vibrato to a flute note (ESX24 sample) and came up empty; do you think you could do a video showing something like that (assuming it's possible -- the last note ringing out, getting increasing vibrato)? Thanks for all the great videos you post!
Thank you for this tutorial. I’m having trouble with Logic chasing the pedal down (127) position. I have an 8 bar section where the pedal is down throughout - when I loop to edit bar 2 or 3, the pedal position is not carried over from bar 1 even though I have ticked all the boxes in Logic's midi chase settings (under project settings). Can you help?
This is one way to create sustain, but it's a broadsword method. It makes sense for playing live, but there is a better technique for editing after the fact in MIDI. Live, it would be impossible to do, but in post-editing, it can be done and will work better. This other method is more a scalpel method. Essentially, sustain is the same as holding the note. You could create the same effect you have here by just extending all the notes to the end of the measure in the piano roll. But why neither of those really works well is because not all the notes are 'chord notes', to use the 'bass guitar' terminlogy. Your first measure has a D#, A#, D#, F#, A#, G#, F#, and F. All are 'chord notes' other than the G# and F. The other notes can sustain throughout the measure and sound fine, but the G# and F will be disonant along with the sustain, once those non-chord notes are invoked. That measure will sound much cleaner if the two A#'s stop ringing at the start of the G#, and the two F#'s stop ringing at the start of the F. It's subtle, but full sustain of the A#'s and F#'s will muddy the full track, especially in a dense mix, and fight with the G# and F. Add reverb and delay, and it gets even worse. Use a piano patch with sympathetic vibrations, and the harmonics will add even more dissonance if you simply sustain all the notes to the end of the measure. A better way is to simply drag all notes to the end of the measure (drag past the end then chop them all off with the Command > T function) then drag the A#'s back to stop ringing at the point the G# begins, and drag the F#'s back to where the F begins. The sustain you want to hear will still be there, but the dissonance will be absent, so the phrase will sound clearer and more distinct, especially in a mix, yet still have the same perceived sustain. That's nearly impossible to do when playing live, and 'sustain' would be either all or none. This method will be less dissonant. Try this on a Rhodes, which has much more sustain than the Steinway, and it will be much more apparent to the ear. One thing I consider important that many ignore is exactly where a note stops ringing. I've found that on a piano, typically, if you edit the notes to end at the 160-tick mark (slightly different for swung notes) this makes the attack of the following note clearer without raising the volume. Also much less blurry than having the notes extend to the start of the next note. So I do everything this way. It's intensive editing, but it makes a mix much clearer.
I think you might find that extending the notes the way you speak of means that you only affect the legato but miss out on the overtones which is why I prefer the term damper to sustain pedal Maybe that is the way you like it . . . fair enough
great vid, perfectly explained, is what I had said before realizing that this function no longer works that way in the new update. could u please upload an update video or reply to this comment. I would greatly appreciate it.
What cant you do Bro...I'm sitting here with this %$#@ piano line and your just banging it out.... and GTRs .... and sing ... it's your blessings hey ...and lots of hard work :) ....sorry I'm just venting !!! But seriously, thanks again Man !!
Normally when i play the piano i can easily fade out the sound by slowly lifting up the pedal, but in midi keyboard i always find myself editing the values in DAW. Because the sustain pedal in midi keyboard operates with a binary logic (on/off) without any interval sensitivity. The midi value comes as either 0 or 127 as in this video. Is there any type of pedal or midi setting to generate interval values depending on the pressing intensity?
Not sure if this is what you mean but if you go back in the track to replay a passage you may have to find a spot further back where the damper (sustain) pedal has been depressed ie not in mid depression of the pedal
Sorry. I have a master keyboard and i want to send a sustain message to a first midi track but not at the second. For exsample i want to use a pedal sustain to a piano but no a string instrument in the same time. I can disabilitad a control changes in a midi preference but change evrywhere. Tank you
They took it out. What you can do is open the Piano Roll as he demonstrated in the video and then on the upper left corner click the "Functions" tab. At the scroll-down there should be an option that says "Convert sustain pedal to note length." Then you just extend each note so that it sustains to whatever length you want it to be. It worked for me. Hope it works for you.
Was wondering if you could help me out on this. When I plug in my sustain pedal into my Alesis Q49 (no display) it works in reverse. There's no polarity switch on my sustain pedal. So when I press it down, it dampens and when I release the pedal, it automatically sustains. Hope you can help me out here.
My Casio controller now seems to generate 4 channels of sustain data. I used to have this automatically merge into one stream. Any ideas of what setting changed?
hey ! I was just wondering, Does anyone knows how to loop an audio and make it sound like a continuous note instead of sounding chopped off in logic ??
Hi Sir Mr. Music TechHelpGuy. Kindly teach me how to delete cc midi messages from a track. Example, I want to delete the panning midi messages. How to do it? Thanks a lot.
thank a lot for this, maybe you can help me, I have a problem, my sustain pedal is no more assigned to my M -audio 88 keystation with Logic pro x 10.4.3, I mean it does not work, no sustain, it worked before I changed to 10.4.3, may it's a bug in logic, please, how do I assign the pedal to have sustain again? thank you very much for your help and happy new year 2019! (-;
thanks a lot for this, please, I can't find an answer to my question: Daniel James plays often a chord sustaining live like here at 2.28.17 th-cam.com/video/ytSVFjTmYjQ/w-d-xo.html and then playing above with other sounds, but he has not logic, I've got a midi controler but how do I assign it? and then?thanks a lot for your answer (-;
Grab your automation select tool, select the bit of automation you want to copy, and hold the option key on your keyboard while you drag it, and it will duplicate.
Hey y'all, just thought I'd help out and say that this is under the Show/Hide Automation button now. Click to Show automation and Sustain will be one of the choices in the drop down menu that pops up.
Winner of a video, I've been looking for "what does middle pedal on piano do" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you ever come across - Danilliam Illustrious Dominance - (should be on google have a look ) ? It is a great one of a kind product for discovering how to learning piano fast minus the normal expense. Ive heard some amazing things about it and my friend got great success with it.
You actually just saved me probably 20 minutes of feeling like an idiot, thanks so much!!!
Thanks mate!
THANK YOUUUUUU
Good basic introduction to sustain, with a minor and a major caveat. The minor one is that I would put the gap overlapping the ending note of the previous bar and the first note of the following.
The major issue is the sustain pedal in piano is not at all a on/off switch. By pressing the pedal you actually control how much the dampers are lifted away from blocking the strings and between 0 to 127 there are a lot of nuances that modern piano emulators take into account, like Pianoteq, as an example.
dude, you just ended almost an hour of hair-pulling-out frustration.
You win the internet for today.
this is what I've been searching for a long time, thank you so much
Holy crap!!! I was just watching one of your previous tutorials on midi where it touched on the sustain pedal and wanted to learn more, and now to see u have another video on it is fantastic!!!! thank you!!!
I want to do it with a real sustain pedal but it doesnt seem to work with my midi keyboard. Is there some preference in logic pro where i can fix this problem?
your lessons are literally the best on TH-cam period. Thanks!
Wow! Thanks you so much for this. Being a piano/keyboard player, I do understand how a sustain pedal works, so this tip is extremely valuable. I actually just used it in realtime on a piano piece i''m completing right now. 😃
I wish I knew this a long time ago! Thanks bro
THANK YOU--!! no other you tube videos showing this feature..IM a long time P TOOLS user (Spent 10s of Thousands on their crXXAP ) still doesn't work well--- using Logic Pro X more and more...no issues at all smooth sailing!
Can't say how thankful I am for this video. You sir are awesome!
Truly awesome! Ive been trying to figure out how to change the sustain pedal length , since i had some of the overlapping sound you mentioned here, Thanks brother!
For whatever reason, The automation select tool , when selecting a region, is dragging the whole thing over, not copying it and dragging like you show. Do you select the area, then Copy and paste? That seems to be working for me rather than dragging. I have the latest update though so maybe it is working differently.
oh my god I can't thank you enough. I was lifting the pedal before the first note of the measure
im looking for help, Im using MIDI adapter with LUMI, and I can't me it work with external sounds on logic, only works with logic pianos sounds
I don´t mean to say what you teach here is wrong, i just would like to ask a question that also might help other confused people:
I have seen several piano teachers teaching how to use the sustain pedal on similar pieces and they say to lift the pedal at the same time you press the chords(beggining in the second chord) and not to lift it earlier or later(like you teach here). I wonder if that is piece content related or a matter of taste?
Also, why is the sustain pedal down in the first chord at the same time as the chord is played and not right after like the following chords?
Thank you for this. Very well explained.
wow that option trick (to copy a automation part) is cool. Do you know if there is an easy way to draw such a shape, without having to click to get 4 automation dots?
Dude, thank you so much, this completely fixed my midi
Thank you very muth, it was a long time of cringe with automatization tracks, but that's the more easy way to automatizate controls inside midi track that i didn't know, thanks❤️
nice!! hours of life have been saved thanks to this video. good man, thank you.
Simple and easy to follow tutorial -thank you!
Hey Josh, I was trying to figure out how to add gradual vibrato to a flute note (ESX24 sample) and came up empty; do you think you could do a video showing something like that (assuming it's possible -- the last note ringing out, getting increasing vibrato)? Thanks for all the great videos you post!
Although Sustain is widely used, a better term is a Damper pedal as it does more than sustain
Great video!! This helped me a lot. My difficulty was getting my piano compositions to sound more realistic. Thanks so much!
instaBlaster.
Thank you for this tutorial. I’m having trouble with Logic chasing the pedal down (127) position. I have an 8 bar section where the pedal is down throughout - when I loop to edit bar 2 or 3, the pedal position is not carried over from bar 1 even though I have ticked all the boxes in Logic's midi chase settings (under project settings). Can you help?
This Helped Out A Lot, Cheers
Thank you sir for all that you do....
Truely grateful!
4:59 the most important part of the video and was skimmed over
I have an iMac and I cannot get to this section for some reason. Any shortcuts for getting to this function? Thank you.
This is one way to create sustain, but it's a broadsword method. It makes sense for playing live, but there is a better technique for editing after the fact in MIDI. Live, it would be impossible to do, but in post-editing, it can be done and will work better. This other method is more a scalpel method.
Essentially, sustain is the same as holding the note. You could create the same effect you have here by just extending all the notes to the end of the measure in the piano roll. But why neither of those really works well is because not all the notes are 'chord notes', to use the 'bass guitar' terminlogy.
Your first measure has a D#, A#, D#, F#, A#, G#, F#, and F. All are 'chord notes' other than the G# and F. The other notes can sustain throughout the measure and sound fine, but the G# and F will be disonant along with the sustain, once those non-chord notes are invoked. That measure will sound much cleaner if the two A#'s stop ringing at the start of the G#, and the two F#'s stop ringing at the start of the F.
It's subtle, but full sustain of the A#'s and F#'s will muddy the full track, especially in a dense mix, and fight with the G# and F. Add reverb and delay, and it gets even worse. Use a piano patch with sympathetic vibrations, and the harmonics will add even more dissonance if you simply sustain all the notes to the end of the measure.
A better way is to simply drag all notes to the end of the measure (drag past the end then chop them all off with the Command > T function) then drag the A#'s back to stop ringing at the point the G# begins, and drag the F#'s back to where the F begins.
The sustain you want to hear will still be there, but the dissonance will be absent, so the phrase will sound clearer and more distinct, especially in a mix, yet still have the same perceived sustain. That's nearly impossible to do when playing live, and 'sustain' would be either all or none. This method will be less dissonant. Try this on a Rhodes, which has much more sustain than the Steinway, and it will be much more apparent to the ear.
One thing I consider important that many ignore is exactly where a note stops ringing. I've found that on a piano, typically, if you edit the notes to end at the 160-tick mark (slightly different for swung notes) this makes the attack of the following note clearer without raising the volume. Also much less blurry than having the notes extend to the start of the next note.
So I do everything this way. It's intensive editing, but it makes a mix much clearer.
I think you might find that extending the notes the way you speak of means that you only affect the legato but miss out on the overtones which is why I prefer the term damper to sustain pedal Maybe that is the way you like it . . . fair enough
great vid, perfectly explained, is what I had said before realizing that this function no longer works that way in the new update. could u please upload an update video or reply to this comment. I would greatly appreciate it.
This is extremely helpful and so easy to understand! thank you so much
Thanks for this! Do you know if and how you can apply soft pedal in Logic Pro x?
how can I record sustain pedal info with actual sustain pedal in the midi controller?
It seems like no one is aware of how to do this. No matter how many times I search.
Thanks for great tutorial. You saved tons of my time! 100/100
What cant you do Bro...I'm sitting here with this %$#@ piano line and your just banging it out.... and GTRs .... and sing ... it's your blessings hey ...and lots of hard work :) ....sorry I'm just venting !!! But seriously, thanks again Man !!
Normally when i play the piano i can easily fade out the sound by slowly lifting up the pedal, but in midi keyboard i always find myself editing the values in DAW. Because the sustain pedal in midi keyboard operates with a binary logic (on/off) without any interval sensitivity. The midi value comes as either 0 or 127 as in this video.
Is there any type of pedal or midi setting to generate interval values depending on the pressing intensity?
When I try to add sustain to the piano track, it just stops sounding sustained when I click anything else. Does anyone know why?
Not sure if this is what you mean but if you go back in the track to replay a passage you may have to find a spot further back where the damper (sustain) pedal has been depressed ie not in mid depression of the pedal
Sorry. I have a master keyboard and i want to send a sustain message to a first midi track but not at the second. For exsample i want to use a pedal sustain to a piano but no a string instrument in the same time. I can disabilitad a control changes in a midi preference but change evrywhere. Tank you
Thank you soooo much for this video!
this video really helps me a lot!
thx :)
This is going to save me so much time oh my god
Hey there - I hav3 no mixer option in my piano roll and can’t find an6 info on how to add it to the piano roll menu bar -- help!
Dude the "midi Draw button isn't here. (please help!)
I'm with you...I'm running 10.4.3 and, for the life of me, I cannot find where I can edit the sustain pedal.
same !
it seems to be gone@@davidanania5618
Fentolix those fuckers
They took it out. What you can do is open the Piano Roll as he demonstrated in the video and then on the upper left corner click the "Functions" tab. At the scroll-down there should be an option that says "Convert sustain pedal to note length." Then you just extend each note so that it sustains to whatever length you want it to be. It worked for me. Hope it works for you.
Thanks a lot! option Key is magic
Was wondering if you could help me out on this.
When I plug in my sustain pedal into my Alesis Q49 (no display) it works in reverse. There's no polarity switch on my sustain pedal. So when I press it down, it dampens and when I release the pedal, it automatically sustains. Hope you can help me out here.
Thank you. Perfect advice!
My Casio controller now seems to generate 4 channels of sustain data. I used to have this automatically merge into one stream. Any ideas of what setting changed?
Great help, man!
why won't it let me set the sustain. I click and nothing pops
Th button to turn it on just isnt there for me :(
It's there, it just looks a little different
Show Automation button, then find it in the drop down menu that pops up.
hey ! I was just wondering, Does anyone knows how to loop an audio and make it sound like a continuous note instead of sounding chopped off in logic ??
Can you do it in latch mode?
you are a very good teacher haha
Hi Sir Mr. Music TechHelpGuy. Kindly teach me how to delete cc midi messages from a track. Example, I want to delete the panning midi messages. How to do it? Thanks a lot.
That is so useful thank you!
Thanks.... It helped me a lot.
Right on! Thx
Is there a way to "record" in the pedaling after recording a non pedaled passage ?
Thanks
yes if you link any midi controller to the sustain parameter. actually pretty simple, you could even do it with a keyboard modwheel.
Aaro Arvola which settings do you need to change in order to do this ? “Latch “ ?
Thank you
That was awesome!! Thank you so much
thank a lot for this, maybe you can help me, I have a problem, my sustain pedal is no more assigned to my M -audio 88 keystation with Logic pro x 10.4.3, I mean it does not work, no sustain, it worked before I changed to 10.4.3, may it's a bug in logic, please, how do I assign the pedal to have sustain again? thank you very much for your help and happy new year 2019! (-;
Im also expiriencing this same issue on 10.4.3 and don't know the fix either
@@fentolix5973 I found the solution!! very simple, just follow these instructions, discussions.apple.com/thread/6329873 it worked for me (-; good luck
Very helpful! thank you, mate :)
Dude, thank you so much.
Thank you sir. This was very useful video.
Great presentation thanks
Very helpful! Thank you very much!
Thanks bro!
Sustain is continious on modern pianos.
Lukáš Zapletal Wrong
Thank you!
Sweet video.
Thanks a lot it is very useful
Thanks as usual ;)
cool !
thx i learned a lot!!
cool thanks
!!!!!!!! thanks so much.
wow nice tip
I literally don’t have that mixer button I’ve watched a couple tutorials already I have Logic Pro X
In Logic Pro X it's called Show/Hide Automation. You should find it under Piano Roll.
thanks a lot for this, please, I can't find an answer to my question: Daniel James plays often a chord sustaining live like here at 2.28.17 th-cam.com/video/ytSVFjTmYjQ/w-d-xo.html and then playing above with other sounds, but he has not logic, I've got a midi controler but how do I assign it? and then?thanks a lot for your answer (-;
1:34
5 minutes in and I have no idea still how you've copied/pasted that section. X'D
Grab your automation select tool, select the bit of automation you want to copy, and hold the option key on your keyboard while you drag it, and it will duplicate.
Sustain pedal automation is HORRIBLE in Logic - it is fiddly and unnecessarily flexible.
He sounds like KSHMR Lul
Downvoted because this kind of stuff pops up when asking how to make sustain pedal work in lmms
Thank you!