The trigger for me is a dealbreaker. I love the cz both the c and the s for the trigger. I like the front and rear serations on the slide, the stippling on the grip the sights. For me the cz has it all.
Just got my CZ P-10 S and it feels so ergonomic and the trigger is so sweet can’t wait to get it to the range! I carry a M&P Shield Plus or my GLOCK 27 but I think this is going to be my new concealed carry gun!!!
I went with the M&P 2.0 Sub Compact. I use the pinky extension on all magazines, switched out the trigger with an Apex trigger and sights with Truglo TFX Pro sights. A great EDC gun now.
I was trying to haggle on the price for a CZ P10s until I saw a video in which someone said it's hard to get that weapon even in normal times, and if you can get one, get it. So I got it! Should be here in a couple of days. Would love to compare notes.
The P-10s felt great in the hand with a dot mounted, sweet stock trigger too. Hopefully it doesn't experience issues like its big brother. I like the entire M&P line but I'm not a fan of the hinged trigger nor an aftermarket trigger for carry. If I were to pick between the two it would be the CZ. Nice work on the comparison, well done.
How are you liking it so far? How's the size and grip? I keep hearing how its a "small" gun but it doesn't seem that way. Looks like it's a big enough size without being too big like a 2.0 compact 4inch or full size m&p
I started with CZ when the first 75's were imported. Mainly because of the price. I now have the P10 set F,C,and S. For me they just fit my hand perfectly. Now if the ammunition was available again for a reasonable price. The panic buying started a month after getting the S so I only have 250 rounds through it.
Just getting into guns as of this year. After much research, my first purchase was M&P 2.0 9C. After much research, my first AR was M&P 15 Sport II. After much research, my first edc just might be M&P 2.0 Sub-compact. I am trying to like other brands, but M&P keeps messing it up.
Have both....the M*P is great...the CZP10s (and C) is Exceptional. All my new shooters shoot the Cz much better. The Cz comes with front serrations and night front sights with superior trigger...similar cost. Golden age of handguns...love it!!
@@CoasterCoat I was referring to the S...not the C. Of all the guns...my kids have struggled to shoot M&P's well...no issues with Glocks Sig, Cz... I can't explain it. I carry an M*P9c mostly.
@@lazvt8469 im referring to the s. The p10s has a longer grip than the 2.0. Also im assuming most people have had accuracy and shooting issues with the 1.0s and the m&p9c 1.0. The 2.0s are WAYYYYY BETTER. I have a 2.0 4.25inch that i chose over the cz,glocks, sigs etc. I personally would have NEVER bought a 1.0 but these 2.0s are perfect for me
@@CoasterCoat Agreed...we have 3 M&P 1.0 in Shield and the 9c. I dropped a $40 polymer Apex into my 9c to salvage it...ended up being my favorite carry with a 3-round Hyve extension.
Good comparison! Don’t personally have the small cz but do have cz’s and do own the subcompact m&p. I like the m&p also and it rides and shoots fantastic, especially for my xxl hands. Nicely done review!
P10s is THE best sub-compact that I've ever owned. Checks the boxes for everything that you'd want from a pistol!! Highly recommend adding the CZ mag extensions...not so much for the 2 extra rounds, but more for the fuller grip!! The UTG pad gives the same size extension, but no increase in capacity and cost 50% more. You decide...
Those are two "thorough-bred" pistols, can't imagine either of them being bad. I have always loved the M&P line, but the subcompact was my favorite in the series. I have not been able to find one of the new subcompacts but I will, eventually. I do have the P10s OR model, and it is very nice. I like that magazine base plate you put on there ~ looks awesome! Yet another excellent video brother, have a great week!
Cz...no doubt about it. The front of the slide on the MP is awkward. The hook trigger does add to the ability of a gloved trigger finger trying to find the sweet spot. They both shoot excellent.
Both are really good pistols. I'm not a fan of the triggers on the M&P series but I own a full size M&P and a Full Size Pro Series. The P 10 S is the one I bought.
For conceal carry, I’ve owned the P365, the XL, the Hellcat, and I’ve decided on the 2.0 Subcompact 9mm as well. It conceals really well, I still get 13 rounds, it handles like a full size in the grip even though it’s not, it fits like a glove, seriously, and it shoots well and always consistent. Honestly this M&P really surprised me, it’s my favorite all around conceal carry. Or home defense once I put the 17 round mag in the subcompact. It’s almost perfect.
I have both the Smith and Wesson 2.0 compact 4" barrel and the CZ P-10S 9mm's both are good for concealed carry and though they both have great triggers I find the CZ P-10S trigger seems a little faster shooting but my 2.0 M&P compact holds more rounds instead of 12 + 1 like the CZ P-10S it holds 15 + 1 or 17 + 1 depending on the magazine you choose to use! I don't think I can say a certain winner between the two so I am going to say it's a tie!!! 👍
Great Review. Both are top shelf. I am a S&W guy & have been since early 80s. Had more Smith revolvers than I can count. Had a 459 in 89. Bought my first M&P 40c in 2014. It replaced a G23 gen3. I had a CZ40 in 90s. DASA smooth, slick, sweet. No issues just sold it to pay bills.
For us regular Joe's either pistol will do just fine and adjust to either one....I would love to own either....Good detailed review and opinion....Good stuff....
I had access to both, but opted for a Canik TP9 Elite SC. After shooting one for a couple hundred rounds, it was the perfect fit for me. Hard to go wrong with any of the 3. Of the 2 in this vid, I like the trigger on the CZ, but everything else on the M&P. Guess it's a good thing that doing a trigger job isn't that painful.
I love my 4.25 inch 2.0 compact. It's just really good. You can even use the 17 round M&P mags. It's a great all around. For EDC though it's p365 all day long with a streamlight TLR 6 laser/light combo
Love my M&P 2.0 Compact. I have an Apex trigger on mine and it makes a world of difference. If we're talking about stock triggers though I would go with the CZ. Thank god we have a company like Apex to take our guns to the next level. I also own a FN 509 which is a perfect gun with a trigger reminiscent of the original M&P. An Apex trigger job fixed that.
If you are in the fence the choice is easy. My experience with both firearm manufacturers in regards to repairs for two totally different guns than shown here is night and day. CZ returned my pistol in 3 weeks. On the S&W I am still waiting to get it back. It’s been over two months, and I haven’t heard anything other than they received it. You need to look at the full stream experience including serving your pistol. S&W quality is going down and CZ is on the rise.
Update - I did receive the S&W revolver back just over the 2 month mark. Great friendly people but the service they performed was minimal. I ended up sending the revolver to Pinnacle High Performance to smooth out the trigger action.
@@toynazi Zero issues with the P10C. I did have to send the CZ Shadow 2 back since the trigger retaining pin was working itself loose. Great people with superb service. Super happy with the results.
I went with the P10S for two reasons... that tiny bit of extra grip on the magazine is enough to give me a firm grip as opposed to a mostly 3 finger grip on the M&P. The second, the CZ, to me, is noticeably thinner as opposed to the thicker, more blocky M&P. I own several M&P guns including a Compact 2.0, a 9c original, a Bodyguard 380 and a couple of Shields, the 2.0 Shield 9 being my deep concealment carry gun. But for me, the P10S is finally the perfect double stack sized carry gun with an outstanding trigger.
It's now 2023. I have the 10 S, M&P Shield Plus PC and the Sig 365 XL. The 10S is a little wider than the other 2, but I feel I have a more substantial grip on the 10S. All 3 shoot very well. The 10S has tritium night sights, The Shield has fiber optic sights and the Sig has tritium/I have a red dot on mine. Trigger wise the Shield + Performance Center has the best trigger, but the 10S is close, with Sig the worst of the 3. Those are my carry rotation. I prefer my EDC to have night sights or an optic. I really like fiber optic sights but they are useless at night even with a weapon light. I like all 3 and what I carry depends on where I'm going and when.
Haven’t shot the M&P Subcompact, BUT I have the CZ P-10S OR, and it is my new favorite pistol. With an RMR, light, and base pads, it shoots like a bigger gun, but doesn’t have the length of my other guns when holstering AIWB. I like the trigger improvements on the M&P 2.0, and the M&P 2.0 4.25” Ported CORE in 9mm is on my radar, but given these 2 options... I’d give it to the CZ based upon the flatter trigger and optics cut at the same roundabout price point as the M&P.
I like the pure 2 finger grip with the option for longer mags. Shield Plus and HK VP9SK are like that. You can choose maximum concealability or more ammo and shoot ability for each day/outfit
I've shot both gun at least 200 rounds through both. I'd choose the p10s, because of the better trigger, optics ready. I carry the p365, or p365xl every day. Those two guns make more sense to me in this size range. The p365 and XL are just easier to carry. They both shoot great too. Full size gun Glock 19 gen 5 mos all the way. Great review on the two guns.
I has a similar issue/feeling with the HBi trigger in my P10C that you experienced. I finally decided it was due to the sharp corner on the bottom of the trigger safety. After rounding, that off no more issues…
I have both. They are both great guns but I carry the 10S more. The 2.0 C is a blue line special and it came with night sights and a little better trigger. It's a great shooter for sure.
I was just looking at both of these at my local shop and ended up shooting both. I walked out of there with.....HK p30sk LEM. Similar size and weight and I just fell in love with that LEM trigger.
If I purchase a gun for carry I always change the sights and trigger shoe. I also like the flat faced trigger. For me it comes down to the grip. The CZ polymer has always felt a little slick for me. I much prefer the polymer and texture of the M&P 2.0 series of pistols. My vote would be for the M&P over the CZ in every size category... that being said, I would still choose my P01 over any polymer pistol most days.
Your comment on how similar both these guns are, I have the p10s. I just purchased the Shield Plus out of the box does not work the sear pin fell out. Never loaded, never tried but will have to go to back to S&W. For me, not similar the CZ works. I will never be able to trust the S&W and when it gets repaired I will take the loss and sell it. One last thing I have another CZ the P01 as well as the new P10S. There is nothing that compares in quality, function and design then a CZ.
This pandemic has been crazy. I'm so used to all the Smith and Wesson rebates and with how popular the M&P lineup has been, they're more expensive than the CZ P10C/P10S at mt local gun store and Scheel's.
I’ve carried the first gen M&P9c off duty for over 10 years. No, it’s not the smallest or has a good trigger, but it has duty size performance in a carry all day package. Standing head shots at 25 yards all day long. Accepts a 17 round mag. Accepts an OLight PL Mini. Made in the USA. Zero failures. Lifetime Warranty. Case closed.
I'm an American and I buy All American... That's why I started with the M&P. I'm with you in that I wish they had flat triggers & were optics ready. Even with those desires missing, I absolutely love the 2.0s. They fit like a glove & the texture just allows for a better grip which also mitigates recoil. I use Gunbuyer.com & they're sale prices have been around $350 with no tax, no shipping nor any additional fees. In comparison to others with these non-American guns I've been able to buy 2 M&Ps versus only 1 less desirable guns. I would still choose the M&P 2.0 even if priced the same, but saving money just allows me to buy more guns, mags, ammo & training!
Jeff Pendrey I hear ya with buying American. Just FYI these polymer frame CZ’s are being produced in the states, Kansas City I believe. So while the company isn’t based here it is employing Americans
Wayn V Good points. I understand the economics of it. However most people are going to buy what they perceive to be the superior products IE: Glock, CZ , Sig. over buying American. All those manufacturers have at least assembly operations in the states. The local economy benefits from those jobs and at least some of the money stays here.
Completely agree with your eval on these. Wish Smith would offer all their M&P line with OR options. With that said the M&P 2.0 fits my hand better(even though I carry my P-10c everywhere I go while at my ranch, but that’s why I got it(ranch tool not to be modified)). But I’ve been looking at these to help decide which full size to go with too(for mag compatibility). its hard because out of box, CZ is way better hands down, but if you get an optics cut, and a trigger the M&P runs away(IMO), but that adds time and money invested.
Good Video. Why didn't you change the trigger shoe on the M&P like you did on the CZ since you don't like it. I've owned both the Shield and the CZ p10c, looking to get a P-10s soon, I can find a few minor negatives with the Shield but none with the CZ.
I just recently bought and started carrying the P10 s, this after carrying the M&P 9c for ten year's. It was easy to buy the P10s after owning three other CZs, the grip on the S is perfect for me. I find the CZ to be more....shotabul than the M&P9c. I must admit I'm disappointed in Smith&Wesson, I feel they are always running behind the competition. I've owned several M&Ps (1.0) and absolutely love the beautiful guns. I swear to God, if CZ releases another generation of guns that don't take the same magazines, I'm going to scream. Hah Good video sir.
The flush fit magazine on the P10S would pinch my pinky between the base plate and the bottom of the frame at the grip every time I fired off a round. Other than that it was one of the Top 3 most impressive subcompacts I have shot. If not for the pinch I would have bought one immediately after running only 2 magazines through it.
I have both guns and love them both. However, the trigger and slightly better ergonomics of the CZ puts it slightly ahead. Much thought went into the way the gun fits your hand with under cuts in the right places. It makes the gun flatter shooting for quick follow ups.
I have several CZ's and several M&P's so it would be hard for me to choose, however, I had an M&P Sub-Compact Version 1 that I traded and I have missed it. It looks like my next gun will be the M&P 2.0 Sub-Compact. Thanks for helping me to decide.
The P10 guns changed my mind completely about striker fired pistols. I feel bad for the PCR and Rami now. The trigger, especially with a cheap upgrade, is real crisp.
Solid review. I really enjoy my CZp10c original offering and my S&W 2.0's. Both are fantastic performers. My only issue is S&W dragging their butts with performance upgrades, especially red dot options. In today's market, ALL of these should have the plate option for a reasonable upgrade and price, to include threaded barrel and suppressor height sights...does not mean you "have" to purchase those options, but they should be a full factory options IMO. My 2.0's with apex trigger upgrades for outstanding.
I would love both but if I could only have one I'd go with the CZ. Trigger, optic ready, front night sight from factory and rounded trigger guard so no Glock knuckle. Also seen these 50-100 less than the 2.0. Sucks that it's discontinued.
That’s a great comparison. I don’t have the M&p sc yet but I do have the 2.0 compact and the cz sc. I think the cz sc is the Goldilocks size. It’s like trying to pick your favorite child. I think I prefer the M&p grip texture a little but also love the texture on the cz. I definitely prefer the the tactile reset on the cz. For me I absolutely think the HBI trigger shoe feels better on my finger. I don’t mind the stock trigger on the M&p but did put an apex trigger in it and do like it very well. I don’t think you can go wrong either way. If smith had an optics cut on the sub compact I would have one ordered. I think most all new handguns should offer a cut.
Great comparison. One gun I'd really like to see someone review is the relatively new M&P M2.0 Subcompact in .45 ACP which came out I believe shortly before the 9mm version. It's a stretch to call it a "subcompact", but if you compare it with the "compact" (which also has a 4.0") and the full-size (4.6"), I think it's the best size for a .45 ACP. It's going to be easier to manage than a Shield 45 for all the same reasons the Subcompact in 9mm is better (I own both as well), and with the mag extensions you can make it a full or compact sized grip, but you can take the edge off as well for those times when it's difficult to conceal larger grips. In fact, it's kind of like choosing between the M2.0 Compact 3.6 and the Subcompact. It's hard to justify the gun with the larger grip. I don't think too many people are going to conceal an M&P 45 with a 4.6" barrel. But when you look at the Compact 45 vs Subcompact 45, and the fact you can get the Subcompact for as low as $419 shipped, I am surprised I cannot find a single review, but I can find the 45 Shield all day long. It's not any thicker than a 9mm either. In fact, if you look at the detailed specs, it says it's thinner (snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/spec-sheets/12481-12482.pdf vs. snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/spec-sheets/12103-12104.pdf). I know that is just likely a rounding error, but the point is that it isn't any thinker and with a flush magazine it's comparable in height to a G19. All things considered it seems like the perfect gun for anyone who likes 45 or wants one on hand in the event 9mm becomes unavailable again. Taking ANY statistics with a grain of salt (perhaps a boulder), the .45 caliber in general is also more accurate than even .357 SIG or even CENTERFIRE RIFLES IN ACTUAL GUNFIGHTS (www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power). That might be within the margin of error of .357 SIG/Centerfire rifles or it may not (it really isn't that kind of study), but it certainly has an advantage over 9mm. I also like slightly heavier guns because it keeps my hands steadier and swings smoother and more naturally (just like the handling characteristics of a longer shotgun barrel prompts many shooters to choose a 28" over a 26" barrel).
I love cz but also love s&w that being said I went with the m&p shield in 9mm love this pistol. Only thing I have done to it is a Armmalaser grip activated laser and eagle talon grips. I have never bad a pistol malfunction but I have had ammo failures only once though.
I just acquired an M&P 9L which I have yet to shoot (Hawaii permit follies). I have an M&P 1.0 Shield all tricked out. I have 2 CZ P-10C’s (one factory suppressor sights and threaded barrel) and one P-10F. I’d like to get a P-10S optics ready. I like the way both fit in my hand. I shoot the CZ’s really well
You hurt my heart on this one but I get your decision. I just got my p10s. I ordered what I thought was the or model from classic firearms, that's not what I got. They offered a refund but I chose to keep mine. This m&p is on my short list but I know I will immediately change that trigger, which is the 1st reason the p10s is a winner for me.
I put a $40 polymer Apex (trigger only) and ended up not only NOT selling the M&P.....but making it my first choice carry. The Hyve 3-round extension also added more 'grip' and a nice look too.
I’ve been carrying the P10S for almost a year now, and I think the pinky thing you’re talking about is the magazine pinching your finger. At least that’s what happen with me. I recommend the OEM +2 or the Hyve baseplate. They help fill in that gap. You can also swap the pinky extension from a 2.0 onto the P10 mag and it will work.
I'm an old LEO guy. When I retired in 2009 my Sheriff gave me the handgun of my choice as a retirement gift. I looked at a lot of guns and settled on the M&P sub compact as a constant carry gun. After 11 years and many, many rounds later, not one malfunction has occurred. I did smooth out some of the moving parts of the trigger assembly and cut a couple of rounds off of the safety plunder spring for an improved feel. I also added HYVE mag extensions to two of my mags and dressed it in Talon grips. This gentlemen, is a close combat fighting weapon that I know like the back of my hand and trust my life to. No need to be trying other brands.
Good comparison! Is it possible that your pinky skin is getting pinched by the mag baseplate? Maybe cover the gap with some masking tape and see if you still experience that sensation
I’m actually looking for a new summer carry..... I hated the p10c when it first came out. Couldn’t get down with the 26 or 365. Think I’ll shoot for the m&p or 43x unless something new shows up between that time
CZ....optics ready, superior trigger, better front and rear serrations, removable backstraps, larger trigger guard, slightly longer grip, better sights. The M&P is no slouch but I think the CZ has it all over the M&P out of the box.
The better comparison would have been against the m&p 2.0 3.6" compact version i have both and on the m&p the trigger is different then subcompact and its a much closer comparison , both are really reliable and good shooting and groupings .
I don't want to add/change things to a defensive pistol like I would with an AR. That's just me. But can you changed out the hinged trigger on the M&P? I realize that is their choice of safety instead of using the trigger dingus or relying on a long trigger pull.
I have an M&P40 M2.0 Compact 4" barrel. With all of the things they say about women shooting 40 S&W, that is my most accurate and best shooting gun. I'm an M&P, Springfield and CZ fan. I'm looking to own a CZ.
Good comparison. Did you find the 2.0 SC as/more accurate as the other 2.0 Compacts? A couple of other reviews thought it shot very tight groups. Even better than the others. I'm going M&P with a safety. I handle my EDC a lot during a regular day, and I'm moving a way from my P320 XCompact (that I love) for EDC just because I'm afraid of not paying proper attention onetime and blowing hole in my truck console. FYI, all of the trolls can just keep their fingers off of the keyboard! Thanks for the vid.
In the CZ the added thickness in the baseplate adds weight for a positive mag drop. The slide riding further back in the hand is the help mitigate muzzle flip.
The trigger for me is a dealbreaker. I love the cz both the c and the s for the trigger. I like the front and rear serations on the slide, the stippling on the grip the sights. For me the cz has it all.
Not a fair comparison. He has an aftermarket trigger in the CZ. If you ever felt the Apex Flatty in the M&P, you would be blown away!
@@meangene4038 Yeah, and that's an understatement.
Even the stock trigger on my 2.0 compact feels fine. I can cut baseball sized holes from 10 yards
I can assure you that if you have to shoot at someone, you won’t feel how good or bad the trigger is.
Overwatch Exactly!
Just got my CZ P-10 S and it feels so ergonomic and the trigger is so sweet can’t wait to get it to the range! I carry a M&P Shield Plus or my GLOCK 27 but I think this is going to be my new concealed carry gun!!!
I went with the M&P 2.0 Sub Compact. I use the pinky extension on all magazines, switched out the trigger with an Apex trigger and sights with Truglo TFX Pro sights. A great EDC gun now.
I have a CZ P-10 S inbound.
Thank you for the review!
I was trying to haggle on the price for a CZ P10s until I saw a video in which someone said it's hard to get that weapon even in normal times, and if you can get one, get it. So I got it! Should be here in a couple of days. Would love to compare notes.
The P-10s felt great in the hand with a dot mounted, sweet stock trigger too. Hopefully it doesn't experience issues like its big brother. I like the entire M&P line but I'm not a fan of the hinged trigger nor an aftermarket trigger for carry. If I were to pick between the two it would be the CZ.
Nice work on the comparison, well done.
Absolutely love the 2.0 series from Smith. Have several and would agree with most of your points. I have actually grown to love the curved trigger
Just got the mp subcompact 2.0. awesome gun. I've never had a issue with any Smith I've owned
How are you liking it so far? How's the size and grip? I keep hearing how its a "small" gun but it doesn't seem that way. Looks like it's a big enough size without being too big like a 2.0 compact 4inch or full size m&p
I started with CZ when the first 75's were imported. Mainly because of the price. I now have the P10 set F,C,and S. For me they just fit my hand perfectly. Now if the ammunition was available again for a reasonable price. The panic buying started a month after getting the S so I only have 250 rounds through it.
I have over 1400 rounds with my P10s. Flawless. Its accuracy is outstanding. No problem hitting steel from 50 yards out
What kind of unit measurement is hitting steel at 50 yards?
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So. I have many like that.
Just getting into guns as of this year. After much research, my first purchase was M&P 2.0 9C. After much research, my first AR was M&P 15 Sport II. After much research, my first edc just might be M&P 2.0 Sub-compact. I am trying to like other brands, but M&P keeps messing it up.
You're not wrong, hands down best on the Market right now,
@@erniegarza4346 I agree. They're just making good stuff.
I like everything about the M&P line, particularly styling, but that ugly damn trigger just kills them for me. Price. Availability. Reliable.
Same thing.... always best choice
M&Ps are just gorgeous guns. I have the 2.0 3.6" .40. One of my favorite handguns
M&P all the way for me!
You obviously never shot a cz
@@marcuslocklear7026it’s all right not better than the M&P
Have both....the M*P is great...the CZP10s (and C) is Exceptional. All my new shooters shoot the Cz much better. The Cz comes with front serrations and night front sights with superior trigger...similar cost. Golden age of handguns...love it!!
Well the p10s IS BIGGER. No wonder they shoot it better. M&P for me. Theyre built better i think
@@CoasterCoat I was referring to the S...not the C. Of all the guns...my kids have struggled to shoot M&P's well...no issues with Glocks Sig, Cz... I can't explain it. I carry an M*P9c mostly.
@@lazvt8469 im referring to the s. The p10s has a longer grip than the 2.0. Also im assuming most people have had accuracy and shooting issues with the 1.0s and the m&p9c 1.0. The 2.0s are WAYYYYY BETTER. I have a 2.0 4.25inch that i chose over the cz,glocks, sigs etc. I personally would have NEVER bought a 1.0 but these 2.0s are perfect for me
@@CoasterCoat Agreed...we have 3 M&P 1.0 in Shield and the 9c. I dropped a $40 polymer Apex into my 9c to salvage it...ended up being my favorite carry with a 3-round Hyve extension.
Thanks for the review. I was leanin M&P, but that CZ's now a consideration.
Good comparison! Don’t personally have the small cz but do have cz’s and do own the subcompact m&p. I like the m&p also and it rides and shoots fantastic, especially for my xxl hands. Nicely done review!
P10s is THE best sub-compact that I've ever owned. Checks the boxes for everything that you'd want from a pistol!! Highly recommend adding the CZ mag extensions...not so much for the 2 extra rounds, but more for the fuller grip!! The UTG pad gives the same size extension, but no increase in capacity and cost 50% more. You decide...
Those are two "thorough-bred" pistols, can't imagine either of them being bad. I have always loved the M&P line, but the subcompact was my favorite in the series. I have not been able to find one of the new subcompacts but I will, eventually. I do have the P10s OR model, and it is very nice. I like that magazine base plate you put on there ~ looks awesome! Yet another excellent video brother, have a great week!
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@@sunnycat69 Yep, thank you. I picked one up the other day. It should be at my FFL tonight. Cheers
Excellent comparison. Tough decision to make if trying to decide on one but I think the P10s has the advantage with the optic cut and trigger.
Cz...no doubt about it. The front of the slide on the MP is awkward. The hook trigger does add to the ability of a gloved trigger finger trying to find the sweet spot. They both shoot excellent.
Always CZ
The wait was so long for the P10s Optics version I sent mine to get milled it turned out excellent with the vortex venom red dot.
Both are really good pistols. I'm not a fan of the triggers on the M&P series but I own a full size M&P and a Full Size Pro Series. The P 10 S is the one I bought.
For conceal carry, I’ve owned the P365, the XL, the Hellcat, and I’ve decided on the 2.0 Subcompact 9mm as well. It conceals really well, I still get 13 rounds, it handles like a full size in the grip even though it’s not, it fits like a glove, seriously, and it shoots well and always consistent. Honestly this M&P really surprised me, it’s my favorite all around conceal carry. Or home defense once I put the 17 round mag in the subcompact. It’s almost perfect.
I now own all of the P 10 family and have known through the CZ rifles that I also own their quality, which is excellent and prices very reasonable.
I have both the Smith and Wesson 2.0 compact 4" barrel and the CZ P-10S 9mm's both are good for concealed carry and though they both have great triggers I find the CZ P-10S trigger seems a little faster shooting but my 2.0 M&P compact holds more rounds instead of 12 + 1 like the CZ P-10S it holds 15 + 1 or 17 + 1 depending on the magazine you choose to use! I don't think I can say a certain winner between the two so I am going to say it's a tie!!! 👍
Great Review. Both are top shelf.
I am a S&W guy & have been since early 80s. Had more Smith revolvers than I can count. Had a 459 in 89. Bought my first M&P 40c in 2014. It replaced a G23 gen3. I had a CZ40 in 90s. DASA smooth, slick, sweet. No issues just sold it to pay bills.
Never seen a P-10s in person. I do have the P-10C and it is awesome.
For us regular Joe's either pistol will do just fine and adjust to either one....I would love to own either....Good detailed review and opinion....Good stuff....
I had access to both, but opted for a Canik TP9 Elite SC. After shooting one for a couple hundred rounds, it was the perfect fit for me.
Hard to go wrong with any of the 3.
Of the 2 in this vid, I like the trigger on the CZ, but everything else on the M&P. Guess it's a good thing that doing a trigger job isn't that painful.
I love my 4.25 inch 2.0 compact. It's just really good. You can even use the 17 round M&P mags. It's a great all around. For EDC though it's p365 all day long with a streamlight TLR 6 laser/light combo
Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 Compact 3.6 for me with a Apex Trigger installed and upgraded Apex parts.
I love my 2.0 3.6 compact ..15 +1 ..awesome handgun
Love my M&P 2.0 Compact. I have an Apex trigger on mine and it makes a world of difference. If we're talking about stock triggers though I would go with the CZ. Thank god we have a company like Apex to take our guns to the next level. I also own a FN 509 which is a perfect gun with a trigger reminiscent of the original M&P. An Apex trigger job fixed that.
If you are in the fence the choice is easy. My experience with both firearm manufacturers in regards to repairs for two totally different guns than shown here is night and day. CZ returned my pistol in 3 weeks. On the S&W I am still waiting to get it back. It’s been over two months, and I haven’t heard anything other than they received it. You need to look at the full stream experience including serving your pistol. S&W quality is going down and CZ is on the rise.
Good feedback about the service. Something I wouldn't have thought about.
What issue did you have with the CZ? Was it the 10S?
When I first got mine I had to send it back too. That's why I ask.
Update - I did receive the S&W revolver back just over the 2 month mark. Great friendly people but the service they performed was minimal. I ended up sending the revolver to Pinnacle High Performance to smooth out the trigger action.
@@toynazi Zero issues with the P10C. I did have to send the CZ Shadow 2 back since the trigger retaining pin was working itself loose. Great people with superb service. Super happy with the results.
The Czechs do pretty much everything they do excellent
I went with the P10S for two reasons... that tiny bit of extra grip on the magazine is enough to give me a firm grip as opposed to a mostly 3 finger grip on the M&P. The second, the CZ, to me, is noticeably thinner as opposed to the thicker, more blocky M&P. I own several M&P guns including a Compact 2.0, a 9c original, a Bodyguard 380 and a couple of Shields, the 2.0 Shield 9 being my deep concealment carry gun. But for me, the P10S is finally the perfect double stack sized carry gun with an outstanding trigger.
I very much needed this review. I’m literally facing this choice in my shopping cart right now...
Thank you very much
What did u go with?
@@superstatus2640 I got the CZ P-10. I don’t regret it
@@JRich165 Awesome. I love mine too
Which one 🤔🤔🤔
Well I choose a bigger SAFE!!!!
How about that!😁😁😁😁
Actually I decided to also, I got both but got the optics ready version of the CZ! 😁😁😁😁
It's now 2023. I have the 10 S, M&P Shield Plus PC and the Sig 365 XL. The 10S is a little wider than the other 2, but I feel I have a more substantial grip on the 10S. All 3 shoot very well. The 10S has tritium night sights, The Shield has fiber optic sights and the Sig has tritium/I have a red dot on mine. Trigger wise the Shield + Performance Center has the best trigger, but the 10S is close, with Sig the worst of the 3.
Those are my carry rotation. I prefer my EDC to have night sights or an optic. I really like fiber optic sights but they are useless at night even with a weapon light. I like all 3 and what I carry depends on where I'm going and when.
What about now same rotation? Or what is your favorite edc in 2024??
@@justdafax S&W Shield Plus Performance Center over 1k rounds, I no longer have the Sig. I do carry the P 10s occasionally.
@@davidsawyer6003 the 4 inch or the 3.1 inch?
@@justdafax 3.1
@@justdafax S&W just came out with their comp series I may get the new Shield plus in 4".
I own both and I prefer the CZ over the M&P all day. For me personally just a better fit in my hands and a more accurate shooting handgun.
Haven’t shot the M&P Subcompact, BUT I have the CZ P-10S OR, and it is my new favorite pistol. With an RMR, light, and base pads, it shoots like a bigger gun, but doesn’t have the length of my other guns when holstering AIWB. I like the trigger improvements on the M&P 2.0, and the M&P 2.0 4.25” Ported CORE in 9mm is on my radar, but given these 2 options... I’d give it to the CZ based upon the flatter trigger and optics cut at the same roundabout price point as the M&P.
I like the pure 2 finger grip with the option for longer mags. Shield Plus and HK VP9SK are like that. You can choose maximum concealability or more ammo and shoot ability for each day/outfit
Very true
Awesome comparison video , 1776 !!!!!! I love my CZ P10c in FDE.
M&P is definitely my choice after having the 2.0 fill size for years... Thousands of rounds with no issue whatsoever!
CZ ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
great comparison. use a p99c as my summer carry, because paddles are awesome
Shame Walther stopped using the paddle release on (most of) their guns!
I've shot both gun at least 200 rounds through both. I'd choose the p10s, because of the better trigger, optics ready. I carry the p365, or p365xl every day. Those two guns make more sense to me in this size range. The p365 and XL are just easier to carry. They both shoot great too. Full size gun Glock 19 gen 5 mos all the way. Great review on the two guns.
I has a similar issue/feeling with the HBi trigger in my P10C that you experienced. I finally decided it was due to the sharp corner on the bottom of the trigger safety. After rounding, that off no more issues…
I have both. They are both great guns but I carry the 10S more.
The 2.0 C is a blue line special and it came with night sights and a little better trigger. It's a great shooter for sure.
Cz just has a better undercut on the trigger guard and a better out of the box trigger
I was just looking at both of these at my local shop and ended up shooting both. I walked out of there with.....HK p30sk LEM. Similar size and weight and I just fell in love with that LEM trigger.
Very nice. Beautiful gun.
I had the DA/SA HK P30SK once, what do you like about the LEM trigger? I have always wanted to try it, but never see it.
Good comparison. I choose the cz all day. Trigger is great stock but I added the hbi industries trigger for that flat feel n added n rmr. Its tight.
Bought the CZ P10S and Sig 365 SAS today and ordered the P10F with optics plate for a Delta Point.
I tried both of these (my friend's firearms) I liked shooting the P-10s better. Nice review!
If I purchase a gun for carry I always change the sights and trigger shoe. I also like the flat faced trigger. For me it comes down to the grip. The CZ polymer has always felt a little slick for me. I much prefer the polymer and texture of the M&P 2.0 series of pistols. My vote would be for the M&P over the CZ in every size category... that being said, I would still choose my P01 over any polymer pistol most days.
That M&P with Apex Flatty Trigger kit is even better than the CZ trigger.
Your comment on how similar both these guns are, I have the p10s. I just purchased the Shield Plus out of the box does not work the sear pin fell out. Never loaded, never tried but will have to go to back to S&W. For me, not similar the CZ works. I will never be able to trust the S&W and when it gets repaired I will take the loss and sell it. One last thing I have another CZ the P01 as well as the new P10S. There is nothing that compares in quality, function and design then a CZ.
Would like to see a comparison between the P10 S and the HK VP9/SK.... The M&P does nothing for me. But good review. Tx
This pandemic has been crazy. I'm so used to all the Smith and Wesson rebates and with how popular the M&P lineup has been, they're more expensive than the CZ P10C/P10S at mt local gun store and Scheel's.
I like both CZ and S&W, but between these two S&W for the win.
I like the sights on the M&P they have the glow in the dark feature.
I’ve carried the first gen M&P9c off duty for over 10 years. No, it’s not the smallest or has a good trigger, but it has duty size performance in a carry all day package. Standing head shots at 25 yards all day long. Accepts a 17 round mag. Accepts an OLight PL Mini. Made in the USA. Zero failures. Lifetime Warranty. Case closed.
I'm an American and I buy All American... That's why I started with the M&P. I'm with you in that I wish they had flat triggers & were optics ready. Even with those desires missing, I absolutely love the 2.0s. They fit like a glove & the texture just allows for a better grip which also mitigates recoil. I use Gunbuyer.com & they're sale prices have been around $350 with no tax, no shipping nor any additional fees. In comparison to others with these non-American guns I've been able to buy 2 M&Ps versus only 1 less desirable guns. I would still choose the M&P 2.0 even if priced the same, but saving money just allows me to buy more guns, mags, ammo & training!
Jeff Pendrey I hear ya with buying American. Just FYI these polymer frame CZ’s are being produced in the states, Kansas City I believe. So while the company isn’t based here it is employing Americans
Wayn V Good question , not sure. Either way I’m a CZ fan and it’s employing Americans
Wayn V Good points. I understand the economics of it. However most people are going to buy what they perceive to be the superior products IE: Glock, CZ , Sig. over buying American. All those manufacturers have at least assembly operations in the states. The local economy benefits from those jobs and at least some of the money stays here.
Completely agree with your eval on these. Wish Smith would offer all their M&P line with OR options. With that said the M&P 2.0 fits my hand better(even though I carry my P-10c everywhere I go while at my ranch, but that’s why I got it(ranch tool not to be modified)). But I’ve been looking at these to help decide which full size to go with too(for mag compatibility). its hard because out of box, CZ is way better hands down, but if you get an optics cut, and a trigger the M&P runs away(IMO), but that adds time and money invested.
Good Video. Why didn't you change the trigger shoe on the M&P like you did on the CZ since you don't like it. I've owned both the Shield and the CZ p10c, looking to get a P-10s soon, I can find a few minor negatives with the Shield but none with the CZ.
Nice comparison M&P 2.0 for me!
Yep
I just recently bought and started carrying the P10 s, this after carrying the M&P 9c for ten year's. It was easy to buy the P10s after owning three other CZs, the grip on the S is perfect for me. I find the CZ to be more....shotabul than the M&P9c. I must admit I'm disappointed in Smith&Wesson, I feel they are always running behind the competition. I've owned several M&Ps (1.0) and absolutely love the beautiful guns. I swear to God, if CZ releases another generation of guns that don't take the same magazines, I'm going to scream. Hah
Good video sir.
They had a good thing going with the P10C/P07 magazine interchangeability.
The flush fit magazine on the P10S would pinch my pinky between the base plate and the bottom of the frame at the grip every time I fired off a round. Other than that it was one of the Top 3 most impressive subcompacts I have shot. If not for the pinch I would have bought one immediately after running only 2 magazines through it.
I have both guns and love them both. However, the trigger and slightly better ergonomics of the CZ puts it slightly ahead. Much thought went into the way the gun fits your hand with under cuts in the right places. It makes the gun flatter shooting for quick follow ups.
I have several CZ's and several M&P's so it would be hard for me to choose, however, I had an M&P Sub-Compact Version 1 that I traded and I have missed it. It looks like my next gun will be the M&P 2.0 Sub-Compact. Thanks for helping me to decide.
I recently picked up the CZ p10s .I like it but I haven't had enought range time to put it in my rotation. The only M&P I have is the Shield.
The P10 guns changed my mind completely about striker fired pistols. I feel bad for the PCR and Rami now. The trigger, especially with a cheap upgrade, is real crisp.
Solid review. I really enjoy my CZp10c original offering and my S&W 2.0's. Both are fantastic performers. My only issue is S&W dragging their butts with performance upgrades, especially red dot options. In today's market, ALL of these should have the plate option for a reasonable upgrade and price, to include threaded barrel and suppressor height sights...does not mean you "have" to purchase those options, but they should be a full factory options IMO. My 2.0's with apex trigger upgrades for outstanding.
I would love both but if I could only have one I'd go with the CZ. Trigger, optic ready, front night sight from factory and rounded trigger guard so no Glock knuckle. Also seen these 50-100 less than the 2.0. Sucks that it's discontinued.
good comparison,well done......one thing that i don't get ....what kind of hands have some people to complain about how rough are some grips?
That’s a great comparison. I don’t have the M&p sc yet but I do have the 2.0 compact and the cz sc. I think the cz sc is the Goldilocks size. It’s like trying to pick your favorite child. I think I prefer the M&p grip texture a little but also love the texture on the cz. I definitely prefer the the tactile reset on the cz. For me I absolutely think the HBI trigger shoe feels better on my finger. I don’t mind the stock trigger on the M&p but did put an apex trigger in it and do like it very well. I don’t think you can go wrong either way. If smith had an optics cut on the sub compact I would have one ordered. I think most all new handguns should offer a cut.
Great comparison. One gun I'd really like to see someone review is the relatively new M&P M2.0 Subcompact in .45 ACP which came out I believe shortly before the 9mm version. It's a stretch to call it a "subcompact", but if you compare it with the "compact" (which also has a 4.0") and the full-size (4.6"), I think it's the best size for a .45 ACP. It's going to be easier to manage than a Shield 45 for all the same reasons the Subcompact in 9mm is better (I own both as well), and with the mag extensions you can make it a full or compact sized grip, but you can take the edge off as well for those times when it's difficult to conceal larger grips. In fact, it's kind of like choosing between the M2.0 Compact 3.6 and the Subcompact. It's hard to justify the gun with the larger grip. I don't think too many people are going to conceal an M&P 45 with a 4.6" barrel. But when you look at the Compact 45 vs Subcompact 45, and the fact you can get the Subcompact for as low as $419 shipped, I am surprised I cannot find a single review, but I can find the 45 Shield all day long. It's not any thicker than a 9mm either. In fact, if you look at the detailed specs, it says it's thinner (snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/spec-sheets/12481-12482.pdf vs. snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/spec-sheets/12103-12104.pdf). I know that is just likely a rounding error, but the point is that it isn't any thinker and with a flush magazine it's comparable in height to a G19. All things considered it seems like the perfect gun for anyone who likes 45 or wants one on hand in the event 9mm becomes unavailable again. Taking ANY statistics with a grain of salt (perhaps a boulder), the .45 caliber in general is also more accurate than even .357 SIG or even CENTERFIRE RIFLES IN ACTUAL GUNFIGHTS (www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power). That might be within the margin of error of .357 SIG/Centerfire rifles or it may not (it really isn't that kind of study), but it certainly has an advantage over 9mm. I also like slightly heavier guns because it keeps my hands steadier and swings smoother and more naturally (just like the handling characteristics of a longer shotgun barrel prompts many shooters to choose a 28" over a 26" barrel).
I love cz but also love s&w that being said I went with the m&p shield in 9mm love this pistol. Only thing I have done to it is a Armmalaser grip activated laser and eagle talon grips. I have never bad a pistol malfunction but I have had ammo failures only once though.
Excellent report!
I just acquired an M&P 9L which I have yet to shoot (Hawaii permit follies). I have an M&P 1.0 Shield all tricked out. I have 2 CZ P-10C’s (one factory suppressor sights and threaded barrel) and one P-10F. I’d like to get a P-10S optics ready.
I like the way both fit in my hand. I shoot the CZ’s really well
CZ wins no question.
Except it doesn't.
@@ChrisLoewdefinitely does
All day!
You hurt my heart on this one but I get your decision. I just got my p10s. I ordered what I thought was the or model from classic firearms, that's not what I got. They offered a refund but I chose to keep mine. This m&p is on my short list but I know I will immediately change that trigger, which is the 1st reason the p10s is a winner for me.
I put a $40 polymer Apex (trigger only) and ended up not only NOT selling the M&P.....but making it my first choice carry. The Hyve 3-round extension also added more 'grip' and a nice look too.
I’ve been carrying the P10S for almost a year now, and I think the pinky thing you’re talking about is the magazine pinching your finger. At least that’s what happen with me. I recommend the OEM +2 or the Hyve baseplate. They help fill in that gap. You can also swap the pinky extension from a 2.0 onto the P10 mag and it will work.
champer slimmerthannone ok old McDonald. E I, E I Ohh
Great choices....when you adding the apex to the m and p?
What's the outcome of that searing pain on the CZ when firing? Was that ever figured out?
oldtwins na - has to be a nerve/pinch issue.
As far as price for the CZ, Grab A Gun currently sells Optics Ready for $418, granted, today is 8-25-24
I'm an old LEO guy. When I retired in 2009 my Sheriff gave me the handgun of my choice as a retirement gift. I looked at a lot of guns and settled on the M&P sub compact as a constant carry gun. After 11 years and many, many rounds later, not one malfunction has occurred. I did smooth out some of the moving parts of the trigger assembly and cut a couple of rounds off of the safety plunder spring for an improved feel. I also added HYVE mag extensions to two of my mags and dressed it in Talon grips. This gentlemen, is a close combat fighting weapon that I know like the back of my hand and trust my life to. No need to be trying other brands.
Good comparison! Is it possible that your pinky skin is getting pinched by the mag baseplate? Maybe cover the gap with some masking tape and see if you still experience that sensation
I just picked up an m&p9 2.0 subcompact. I guess I'll see how I like the trigger when I shoot it.
M&p subcompact w/ apex > everything
I’m actually looking for a new summer carry..... I hated the p10c when it first came out. Couldn’t get down with the 26 or 365. Think I’ll shoot for the m&p or 43x unless something new shows up between that time
So?
CZ....optics ready, superior trigger, better front and rear serrations, removable backstraps, larger trigger guard, slightly longer grip, better sights. The M&P is no slouch but I think the CZ has it all over the M&P out of the box.
Yet the 2.0 still looks more refined and classier
The better comparison would have been against the m&p 2.0 3.6" compact version i have both and on the m&p the trigger is different then subcompact and its a much closer comparison , both are really reliable and good shooting and groupings .
You should compare the P10s and the VP9sk
I don't want to add/change things to a defensive pistol like I would with an AR. That's just me. But can you changed out the hinged trigger on the M&P? I realize that is their choice of safety instead of using the trigger dingus or relying on a long trigger pull.
For me it comes down to which mag is cheaper and more readily available to find.
Thanks for this video
I have an M&P40 M2.0 Compact 4" barrel. With all of the things they say about women shooting 40 S&W, that is my most accurate and best shooting gun. I'm an M&P, Springfield and CZ fan. I'm looking to own a CZ.
Good comparison. Did you find the 2.0 SC as/more accurate as the other 2.0 Compacts?
A couple of other reviews thought it shot very tight groups. Even better than the others.
I'm going M&P with a safety. I handle my EDC a lot during a regular day, and I'm moving a way from my P320 XCompact (that I love) for EDC just because I'm afraid of not paying proper attention onetime and blowing hole in my truck console. FYI, all of the trolls can just keep their fingers off of the keyboard! Thanks for the vid.
The other +1 for the M&P is different caliber options. I'm interested in the .45.
The 45 is nice. Recoil is a bit much for long range sessions with the flat base pad.
In the CZ the added thickness in the baseplate adds weight for a positive mag drop.
The slide riding further back in the hand is the help mitigate muzzle flip.
M&P for me !!
Good comparison.