I wonder if they were the origin of the shielded temporal data core? It could function as a ship in a bottle riding out the temporal changes and then fixing what they know changed.
Makes sense that they would have some kind of shielding. If something big changed someone has to actually know or keep track somehow. Or at some point they develop that kinda tech, I mean let's say a time mission failed how would they know?
I thought the same thing, it would make sense that Starfleet would want to have a ship that could fix the timeline. Considering they were lucky with the past few incursions... that they(/we) know of at least.
@@xanderx51 Back before they killed the player missions I had one where you ended up in an alternate timeline after something happened and you need to find out what and fix it :D
this ship made me think that since STO has fleshed out SF Intelligence, even giving them a department colour (purple) and there own ships, the intel line. It would be nice to see them do that with the temporal investigations department as well
I'd think that they don't have their own since they recruit from all of the departments there. Intel is separate because they have a separate mission profile, DTI, however, is one where they'll pop in and use whoever they need for things who might be expected to do their normal jobs as well
@@AzraelThanatos pretty sure the T6 Trident talks about being a temporal investigations ship, although it is obviously availible to more than just temporal agents (also addressed in the promotional material if memory serves) so they may get fleshed out. We know they eventually get fancy uniforms from voyager.
As someone who kinda felt that the Hoover Class looked a bit lumpy, I really like how the Edison Class smooths out the silhouette, even if the ship can look a little smooshed.
@@bryanbond7804 It's a joke about the rivalry between Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla. Tesla worked for Edison for a while and Edison didn't compensate Tesla for the ideas he generated that he used.
You know, one potential thing for the time ships might also be that they had the older hulls and if you try to keep the same basic look as the originals, well, it also means that the ships blend in a bit more there and are less intrusive in the timeline because of it
Fantastic content! I'd love to get your treatment on the Hernandez/Somerville class... ...also, could you cover Nacelle design over the centuries? Maybe extend your focus across other ship section evolutions?
@@skywise001 It does, but not everyone can play it. I have serious problems with 3D sickness, so I'm never getting through much of it. (And what little I have played showed me that I really suck at the space battle aspect.) I'm really grateful for Rick's videos on the story!
@@ManabiLT If you stick to one weapon type and use a few abilities you should win in space combat :P Im sorry to hear it makes you feel bad. If it helps think of it as a flat playing field. 99% of missions wont require you to leave that plane.
Recovering old spaceframes and putting new tech in them seems like an interesting idea. Considering the technological context, its probably less like replacing a room sized 1950's computer with a raspberry pi, and more like stripping a half finished iPhone body and stuffing the latest iPhone tech in. Though at the time the ships were irradiated starfleet was typically using duotronic tape computers, so maybe it actually is like yanking a massive room sized tape/punch-card computer out and putting a tiny raspberry pi and a moderately sized SSD in and still wildly outperforming the original hardware.
Yes, because the ship is still in our universe, just surfing between compressed space (to the rear) and expanded space (at the front). Think of the warp drive as creating a huge wave for the ship to surf on.
I'm mixed. On one hand, I love a lot of these designs (especially the STO ones [sorry, stanky]), but the quantity of ships is starting to get out of hand. Same thing with uniforms: just like starships, a new uniform design used to be a BIG DEAL... but now it's just another Tuesday. Starships and new uniform designs feel like they're invented with every show now. It's all becoming a lot less special as we gorge ourselves on unrestrained new content.
@@TobyDeshane EAS has an article that discusses all the canon uniforms and their short-livedness. The OG Trek film uniforms ended up having the longest lifespan (80+) years. Most other styles last only 5-10 at best.
I feel like someone should do a series of short-stories like the SCE books but about temporal investigations. Something with one crew facing different timelines
I never really comment but I just wanna say that this format and your voice are honestly great 👍, I cant think of anywhere that does it to the same standard / quality
Easy maintenance makes sense for a time ship, you never know where or when you might end up. Being able to rig something from whatever weirdness is available would be useful
I really like that one. It's instantly recognizable as a starfleet ship. But is still low profile, with everything tucked in. She looks like she'd be hard to hit in a fight.
I like the idea that the deflector "crystal" is the same technology that would eventually evolve into the time globes we see on future timeships. Klingon time-crystal?
The nacelles on that ship are gorgeous, their flatness somehow looks really good. Not like the Gagarin's which I despise since they have a deeply illogical to me split nacelle design. I never actually looked at the deflector that closely it's really cool. Looks like the Buran class' Ion Storm Generating deflector but encased in a "snow globe".
"Last minute"😂 No the department of temporal mechanics has been using the Edison class ships for thousands of years. Or they will use them for thousands of years?? Time travel is fun
So if STO lore than the ship you call on because Janeway wanted a cup of coffee yesterday. Otherwise it’s the California class predecessors and Successor.
There should also be a Tesla class vessel that has the ability to time travel, maybe have some kind of 'fork-like' design to find the correct frequency
It just looks like a reskin of a Jem'Hadar fighter. (Yea, yea, I know, others have said it too, but the algorithm likes comments more than just likes on existing comments.)
When they build a starship, how much equipment is hauled onboard via shuttlecraft, vs how much is transported aboard? You'd think by now they could have massive industrial replicators to create ships fast.
I know windows can be adjusted to deal with the light from the bussards but here they still feel too close to the saucer. Plus I can’t unsee the Millennium Falcon silhouette. Otherwise I like it
Good video, as always! I don't care much for this ship. It seems like it's all over the place and kind of a mess. I also don't love the idea of the recycled old ships we see lately. It doesn't feel Roddenberry-ish.
Baryon radiation. Baryons are mostly normal matter, protons and neutrons. So I'm guessing it's neutron bombardment. Not a direct issue, but rather tends to make things radioactive and accelerate nuclear decay (a bombs work through a neutron cascade chain reaction).
You need to go back and watch the Original series. ALL the early Starfleet ships were TIMESHIPS. Breaking the "timewarp barrier" was the greatest feat they'd achieved...in the pilot. But, we can only assume that the number of temporal incursions grew exponentially so, much like they did with the Discovery spore drive, the timewarp drive was downgraded, and written off to history. But this idea was sporadic through the first series because you'd find the ship capable of flying faster and farther than any other ship in the series canon.
from its introduction into STO, the Hoover class (and subsequently the Edison) bothered me from an aesthetic point; the position of the secondary hull. it just didn't look correct. why place it half mid rear? it made much more sense to have the rear of the secondary hull meet at the rear of the saucer section. this thing they gave us just looked... off. just one of several questionable ship design decisions that went Live in recent years. the John Eaves conceptual art of the Hoover that you provide for us in this video ( @ 0:45 ) comes as unexpected validation.
The actual first Starfleet time ship was NX class and its derivative Ceres class aka Old Bonaventure. When most civilizations slowly tuned they ships to come close to Warp barrier, without breaking it (transwarp anomalies did cause massive damage as result of anomalies). Henry Archer develop genius way to go around this issue. He use third coil hidden between warp nacelles to basically forcibly stable the field. What allow ship reach Warp 5 despite high instability of early Yoyodyne drives. Problem was that if this coil was damaged, it could propel ship beyond transwarp. In short NX could go beyond Warp 10 like in Voyager! Because of that several ships like Columbia and Enterprise ended time traveling. This was unnoticed because due to the war only few proper NX were created, as class evolved in more military oriented Poseidon. What lack this feature (NX allow Starfleet to stabilize field way faster). This feature resurfaced with Ceres class, what was basically a expansion of Columbia class concept with secondary hull. But after missing few of prototype ships (including famous SS Bonaventure from TAS), Archer kill the project as he did know exactly what it was. It was also why Vulcans agree to share they Warp 7 tech, with Earth. As they did know about this problem. For reminder it isn't much of theory. In Strange New World they straight use part of NX Enterprise hull to power time portal. Anyway, it is why Federation did have Temporal Police as far as back then.
New Trek producers: Ok folks, we new ships for these shows. Get to drawing. New Trek staffers: How about if we just cannibalize this video game and call it a day? New Trek producers: Whatevva.
trek fans after picard season 1: god these designs suck why not just use ships from STO since there are so many trek fans after picard season 2: god these new trek show runners are lazy they are just using STO designs why not design new ships. make up your mind
The Hoover Class
rebuilt to clean up Temporal spills
Or, "For when the new timeline sucks."
That would make a good slogan for a promo for the Edison Class!
I love that the first 'time ship' is also a ship that was stuck in time at that shipyard. I hope they keep this in lore!
The Edison Class has a very Jem'hadar fighter feel to it.
I was going to say the same thing.
Looks like an unholy hybrid of a Jem Hadar fighter and a Sabre class ship. 😅
And then came the Rex. The love child of two sides of a brutal war, the result of forbidden love.
The saucer reminds me of the Millennium Falcon
@@risk7376 I was thinking "a couple of highlighters and the Millennium Falcon".
I wonder if they were the origin of the shielded temporal data core? It could function as a ship in a bottle riding out the temporal changes and then fixing what they know changed.
Makes sense that they would have some kind of shielding. If something big changed someone has to actually know or keep track somehow. Or at some point they develop that kinda tech, I mean let's say a time mission failed how would they know?
I thought the same thing, it would make sense that Starfleet would want to have a ship that could fix the timeline. Considering they were lucky with the past few incursions... that they(/we) know of at least.
@@xanderx51 Back before they killed the player missions I had one where you ended up in an alternate timeline after something happened and you need to find out what and fix it :D
Iconian Missions
@@jinkaru19 Its been a concept Ive been kicking around since the Guardian of Forever :)
this ship made me think that since STO has fleshed out SF Intelligence, even giving them a department colour (purple) and there own ships, the intel line. It would be nice to see them do that with the temporal investigations department as well
I'd think that they don't have their own since they recruit from all of the departments there.
Intel is separate because they have a separate mission profile, DTI, however, is one where they'll pop in and use whoever they need for things who might be expected to do their normal jobs as well
@@AzraelThanatos pretty sure the T6 Trident talks about being a temporal investigations ship, although it is obviously availible to more than just temporal agents (also addressed in the promotional material if memory serves) so they may get fleshed out. We know they eventually get fancy uniforms from voyager.
As someone who kinda felt that the Hoover Class looked a bit lumpy, I really like how the Edison Class smooths out the silhouette, even if the ship can look a little smooshed.
I imagine all it's tech borrowed from the Tesla Class.
You won my like, thank you.
Never heard of the Tesla Class.
@@bryanbond7804 It's a joke about the rivalry between Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla. Tesla worked for Edison for a while and Edison didn't compensate Tesla for the ideas he generated that he used.
@ManabiLT Well I knew about Tesla working for Edison but I thought there was an actual Tesla Class ship.
You mean robbed?
USS McCoy! "Damnit Jim, I'm a STARSHIP, not a DOCTOR!"
You know, one potential thing for the time ships might also be that they had the older hulls and if you try to keep the same basic look as the originals, well, it also means that the ships blend in a bit more there and are less intrusive in the timeline because of it
I love that the people behind ST:Picard didn't waste the ship resource available in ST:Online.
I think they made the right choice to bring in some of the vessels while gradually adding their own over s2 and 3.
@@CertifiablyIngame I agree, it's just a shame that it took their being made fun of for the cookie-cutter fleet in S1 for them to do so.
well they had to get a slap to the back of the head for the copy paste fleets in season 1
Fantastic content! I'd love to get your treatment on the Hernandez/Somerville class...
...also, could you cover Nacelle design over the centuries? Maybe extend your focus across other ship section evolutions?
I completely misunderstood the title as being "a ship for first time officers" not "the first ship for time stuff".
“Starfleet’s ‘First Time?’ Ship”
🤣
I want a new star trek series in the early 25th century with all those cool new ships
Star Trek Online has a pretty good story.
pls enough with the diluted, less trek show based after TOS
After Enterprise (except Lower Decks and Strange New World) @@ahsenkhan5386
@@skywise001 It does, but not everyone can play it. I have serious problems with 3D sickness, so I'm never getting through much of it. (And what little I have played showed me that I really suck at the space battle aspect.) I'm really grateful for Rick's videos on the story!
@@ManabiLT If you stick to one weapon type and use a few abilities you should win in space combat :P
Im sorry to hear it makes you feel bad. If it helps think of it as a flat playing field. 99% of missions wont require you to leave that plane.
Admiral S J Hemphill? I think that’s a sneaky Honour Harrington reference.
The rear of the ship reminds me of the front end of the Millenium Falcon from Star Wars. Interesting design.
I named my first one USS noclaF muinnelliM.
That's why the hover I fly in STO is the USS weekly pigeon
They just turned it around and put two warp naselles underneath. 😅
From some angles I'm getting Romulan Warbird vibes, from others I'm getting Millennium Falcon vibes.
“Romulan Warfalcon”
@@TopHatJackStudiosbeat me to it lol
@@TopHatJackStudiosBetter then "Millennium Rombird", I guess?
War-falcon at least has the potential to be cool
It kinda looks like the Falcon if it were backwards with a scaled-up Y-wing - with the Republic hull plates - bolted to the bottom.
Recovering old spaceframes and putting new tech in them seems like an interesting idea. Considering the technological context, its probably less like replacing a room sized 1950's computer with a raspberry pi, and more like stripping a half finished iPhone body and stuffing the latest iPhone tech in.
Though at the time the ships were irradiated starfleet was typically using duotronic tape computers, so maybe it actually is like yanking a massive room sized tape/punch-card computer out and putting a tiny raspberry pi and a moderately sized SSD in and still wildly outperforming the original hardware.
I love star trek lore! The history of ships and events just keeps me engaged with the shows and games.
Looks like a federation version of a Jem'Hadar fighter.
Same for me, but I think I like this one better
I like the hull design. Compact, relatively balanced. Keeps the nacelle pylons hidden from hostile firing arcs
Here's a question. If subspace is "a different dimension", would a ship at warp be affected by a change in the time space continuum? Why or why not?
Citation needed.
Yes, because the ship is still in our universe, just surfing between compressed space (to the rear) and expanded space (at the front). Think of the warp drive as creating a huge wave for the ship to surf on.
All these new ships are so... convoluted. I miss the old days of simple elegance.
Me also! I always kind of hated the Star Trek online stuff. It looks too video game
I'm mixed. On one hand, I love a lot of these designs (especially the STO ones [sorry, stanky]), but the quantity of ships is starting to get out of hand. Same thing with uniforms: just like starships, a new uniform design used to be a BIG DEAL... but now it's just another Tuesday. Starships and new uniform designs feel like they're invented with every show now. It's all becoming a lot less special as we gorge ourselves on unrestrained new content.
@@TobyDeshane I agree with you on the uniforms ! Its a lot
@@TobyDeshane EAS has an article that discusses all the canon uniforms and their short-livedness.
The OG Trek film uniforms ended up having the longest lifespan (80+) years. Most other styles last only 5-10 at best.
I feel like someone should do a series of short-stories like the SCE books but about temporal investigations. Something with one crew facing different timelines
Thats a nice looking ship. Hats off to the designer. Well done.
Not sure about the look of the nacelles but overall, I like the look of the ship.
I'm fine with the nacelles, but that deflector dish is really weird looking.
I never really comment but I just wanna say that this format and your voice are honestly great 👍, I cant think of anywhere that does it to the same standard / quality
Admiral S.J. Hemphill? Nice little Honorverse easter egg they left there.
One of the most interesting deflectors ever. I love it.
Can't unsee it as a backwards Millennium Falcon
Easy maintenance makes sense for a time ship, you never know where or when you might end up. Being able to rig something from whatever weirdness is available would be useful
I personally fly this ship online. In my opinion, it has a nice layout for using dual and heavy cannons. I love the 5/3 weapon layout.
Haha, that's my image in the thumbnail :)
Right off the bat, lots of background ships indeed
I hope we get a 40 episode season of atar trek where 3 or 4 episodes would be of a different ship and crew to show off their fleet
Man spooky I just bought this ship the day before this video was released. O.O it's like you knew
really love the design!!
I really like that one. It's instantly recognizable as a starfleet ship. But is still low profile, with everything tucked in. She looks like she'd be hard to hit in a fight.
I like the idea that the deflector "crystal" is the same technology that would eventually evolve into the time globes we see on future timeships. Klingon time-crystal?
What a neat little ship.
The nacelles on that ship are gorgeous, their flatness somehow looks really good. Not like the Gagarin's which I despise since they have a deeply illogical to me split nacelle design. I never actually looked at the deflector that closely it's really cool. Looks like the Buran class' Ion Storm Generating deflector but encased in a "snow globe".
It’s a federation style jemhadar attack ship & it’s beautiful
"Last minute"😂 No the department of temporal mechanics has been using the Edison class ships for thousands of years. Or they will use them for thousands of years?? Time travel is fun
They will have it used for a long time, very soon.
Admiral S.J. Hemphill? As in Sonja "Horrible" Hemphill from the Honorverse?
"Looks like the Millennium Falcon backwards with nacelles. 😳" (-James)
I like the way it looks and slick looking and compact. I would fly her.
So if STO lore than the ship you call on because Janeway wanted a cup of coffee yesterday.
Otherwise it’s the California class predecessors and Successor.
imo one of the most beautful ships of the 25th
There should also be a Tesla class vessel that has the ability to time travel, maybe have some kind of 'fork-like' design to find the correct frequency
I like it! The Star Fleet look and feel more compact and efficient.
Cool. Like a Federation Jem'Hadar "Scarab" fighter.
Looks like a Federation version of the Jem’Hadar corvette
This is an interesting design. It looks like it would make a good 25th century replacement for the Miranda Class.
There is the Reliant class
It just looks like a reskin of a Jem'Hadar fighter. (Yea, yea, I know, others have said it too, but the algorithm likes comments more than just likes on existing comments.)
Sonja Hemphill from BuShips in the Royal Manticoran Navy, doing some extra work by the side. 😂
When they build a starship, how much equipment is hauled onboard via shuttlecraft, vs how much is transported aboard?
You'd think by now they could have massive industrial replicators to create ships fast.
congrats sir another awesome video!
You’d think star fleets first time ship would be an Excelcior rerelease, given that it could appear in any time period and go unnoticed.
Looks like a very cool little ship
Shouldn't this class be Huygens class? For the inventor of the first time clock? Or be named after H G Wells? The writer of the Time Machine?
Seven's ships in Picard S1 was the delta flier and no one noticed.
I know windows can be adjusted to deal with the light from the bussards but here they still feel too close to the saucer. Plus I can’t unsee the Millennium Falcon silhouette. Otherwise I like it
Good video, as always! I don't care much for this ship. It seems like it's all over the place and kind of a mess. I also don't love the idea of the recycled old ships we see lately. It doesn't feel Roddenberry-ish.
They turned the Millennium Falcon around, slapped on a deflector and warp nacelles, then called it a day.
Thanks, Rick.
Another stellar video.
One question, though: at 68 m in height, would the deck count likely be under 5?
i love this new design its such a great looking ship😊
Admiral S J Hemphill? First name probably Sonia. Someone is a Honor Harrington fan.
Baryon radiation. Baryons are mostly normal matter, protons and neutrons. So I'm guessing it's neutron bombardment. Not a direct issue, but rather tends to make things radioactive and accelerate nuclear decay (a bombs work through a neutron cascade chain reaction).
A ship built on the collaberative technologies of many many other people.
What to call it?
Edison!
It's a fun little ship to fly.
Love your work 🖖
... also, if you take off one of the nacells it looks like the Millennium Falcon.
Is it me, or does the saucer of the Edison look like the Millennium Falcon, backwards? Look at the notch at the back.
Not seen such narrow line of sight on a ship's nacelles since the defiant class.
reminds me of the reliant minus the roll bar
they just need to keep an eye on Janeway kekeke but seriously if you read the books Janeway made the right decision.
I would've thought the Edison class would've begun with the Tesla class. 😂
7:03
It exerts entropy. Thats my guess.
Hemphill? As in 'Horrible Hemphill' from another scif-fi franchise?
You need to go back and watch the Original series. ALL the early Starfleet ships were TIMESHIPS. Breaking the "timewarp barrier" was the greatest feat they'd achieved...in the pilot. But, we can only assume that the number of temporal incursions grew exponentially so, much like they did with the Discovery spore drive, the timewarp drive was downgraded, and written off to history. But this idea was sporadic through the first series because you'd find the ship capable of flying faster and farther than any other ship in the series canon.
from its introduction into STO, the Hoover class (and subsequently the Edison) bothered me from an aesthetic point; the position of the secondary hull. it just didn't look correct. why place it half mid rear? it made much more sense to have the rear of the secondary hull meet at the rear of the saucer section. this thing they gave us just looked... off. just one of several questionable ship design decisions that went Live in recent years. the John Eaves conceptual art of the Hoover that you provide for us in this video ( @ 0:45 ) comes as unexpected validation.
The Color scheme kinda reminds me of the Mako from Mass effect.
The design looks like Starfleet was inspired by the Dominion attack bug
Updating these old spaceframes never made much sense to me.
It's like the navy today trying to make an old steam clipper into a missile frigate.
yes the changes are too much. even modernizations have a limits.
Hmm, unless the name is already used, they missed a beat not calling it the Wells class after HG Wells.
There is a Wells class time ship. It's the class of the U.S.S. Relativity from STVOY's episode 5x24 "Relativity".
From the top looks like the millennium falcon but with more wings on the side.
There is a new episode out for STO.
You'd think the first timeships would be Wells class. But, whatever. 🖖
It looks like a pretty horseshoe crab. 💙👌
Cool.
The actual first Starfleet time ship was NX class and its derivative Ceres class aka Old Bonaventure. When most civilizations slowly tuned they ships to come close to Warp barrier, without breaking it (transwarp anomalies did cause massive damage as result of anomalies). Henry Archer develop genius way to go around this issue. He use third coil hidden between warp nacelles to basically forcibly stable the field. What allow ship reach Warp 5 despite high instability of early Yoyodyne drives. Problem was that if this coil was damaged, it could propel ship beyond transwarp. In short NX could go beyond Warp 10 like in Voyager! Because of that several ships like Columbia and Enterprise ended time traveling. This was unnoticed because due to the war only few proper NX were created, as class evolved in more military oriented Poseidon. What lack this feature (NX allow Starfleet to stabilize field way faster). This feature resurfaced with Ceres class, what was basically a expansion of Columbia class concept with secondary hull. But after missing few of prototype ships (including famous SS Bonaventure from TAS), Archer kill the project as he did know exactly what it was. It was also why Vulcans agree to share they Warp 7 tech, with Earth. As they did know about this problem. For reminder it isn't much of theory. In Strange New World they straight use part of NX Enterprise hull to power time portal. Anyway, it is why Federation did have Temporal Police as far as back then.
I see the ship more as a second attempt at the Centaur style.
Steamrunner crossed with Miranda?
6:35 doesn’t work with Q powers though.
She’s got a little Millennium Falcon in her.
It looks like a JemHadar ship inspired.
Tobias Richter just told me that he did not design it.
New Trek producers: Ok folks, we new ships for these shows. Get to drawing.
New Trek staffers: How about if we just cannibalize this video game and call it a day?
New Trek producers: Whatevva.
They paid for that. You can be sure of that so the video game company made a nice tidy profit. Feel better now?
trek fans after picard season 1: god these designs suck why not just use ships from STO since there are so many
trek fans after picard season 2: god these new trek show runners are lazy they are just using STO designs why not design new ships. make up your mind
No Eddington Class?
Reminds me of the Dominion ships….
This feels like a heavy frigate.