I had to pause your video only 1 minute and 20 seconds in because you just described me! I have a B.A. in music and am a guitar teacher. I just gave a lesson today talking about ornamentation. I never really learned then in college. I would actually rewrite the music in my own handwriting with all of the notes I needed to play transcribed into the music just so that I would remember to play the ornaments. If I didn't perform them exactly right, I just chalked it up to "my own interpretation". That got me by and towards the end, I just wanted to get a passing grade. But, like you, I do like to do things right. THIS is the video I have been looking for. I want to turn these into exercises for guitar. Thanks. 🙂
Thank you for a very adept and concise explanation of those ornaments. I was specifically looking for the mordant tonight as I had just downloaded Bach's Little Prelude 939 and I wanted to make sure I executed those mordants on the G bass correctly before committing it all to memory. Fortuitous for me your video showed up along with others and since you have a nice smile, I selected yours. I got the explanation I needed and a demonstration of said measures. The bonus for me is the explanation of the appoggiatura used in 'Alla Turca'. I have subscribed and will visit your channel again. Once more thank you.
Thanks for watching! You can check out a playlist of all of the intermediate pieces I've covered here: th-cam.com/play/PLyxlD3l1usT5XIe4QiPngmv8AYzy2gKGq.html&si=Etk2RVMJZkkzEqwj
I love yoru teaching. This is the way it ought to be: discovery, explanatoin, love, and joy. 1:01 "Many people who graduated with a college degree in music are not ... music training..." You're right about that. Most music programs is where the love of music goes to die. Blaire School of Music killed my children's love of music (most, not all, teachers were brutal and abusive -- no uncommon). They beat it out of them. Most every music school grad I've known (not every) were ruined by music schools.
I was wondering if you would consider a "grace note", and "crushed note", and "acciaccatura" the same thing as a "short appoggiatura" since they all have the cross stroke through the stem? Or are there differences to each of these?
These are great questions that go beyond the scope of "basic" ornamentation. (and beyond my expertise!) The difference is that most grace notes, especially in the 19th century or later, are played *before* the beat, negating the "non-harmonic tone" quality of most appoggiaturas. Hope that helps.
@@JannaWilliamson Thank you for your response. Yes, beyond my expertise also, hence the question. The ponderings of a piano teacher's brain. :) Yes, I am familiar with the pre-beat, on beat performance practice based upon era and style. With my online digging, I ran into various things regarding the appoggiatura and acciaccatura that caused me to come away with more confusion than clarification. But I did learn that "acciaccatura" in Italian means "to crush" and that "appoggiatura" means "to lean upon" which I thought was interesting. I have taught students that the main emphasis was on the melody note and that the "grace note" is decoration or embellishment but then on one site, they said that the emphasis was on the "grace note" with the melody note being secondary. So then that raised another question in my brain and I wondered "Oh, does it vary with historical period, or genre, etc.??" Any thoughts on this aspect regarding which note is emphasized in the situation where you do have a small note with the cross stroke? Good news, I don't have any questions about the "long appoggiatura." :) Thank you for your patience. Forever Learning, Norma.
@@92pianokeys40 Ha! These are great questions...and ones that many people ask. Yes, practice does depend on time period. My best advice with something like this is to find 2 or 3 recordings that you like by reputable artists and listen to what they do. :)
Hi Janna! I didn't know your channel but I admire your honesty and enthusiasm. I'm a spanish postgrade piano student (not an expert in baroque ornamentation). a As far as I know, at the baroque era (at least for the music composed by Bach) the appogiatura used to last at least half the value the note It precedes. There is valuable book, "los adornos en las obras de JS Bach" (something like the ornaments in the pieces by JS Bach) by Guillermo Graetzer. I don't know if the book is available in English (I read It on Spanish), but it explains all kind of ornamentation an its execution case by case. Hope its usefull.
@@carlosmartinezparedes7630 Thanks for this resource! I looked it up and only see it in Spanish online - perhaps a future project for you would be to translate it to English. :) Thanks also for the comment about the B appoggiatura in the Minuet. Yes, that would sound nice as a quarter note. This particular type I have seen realized by various editors as various different lengths, so I appreciate you commenting.
Every 15 year old girl needs to learn that make up is like ornamentation. It is to enhance what is there, and not to become an end in itself by using too much.
I had to pause your video only 1 minute and 20 seconds in because you just described me! I have a B.A. in music and am a guitar teacher. I just gave a lesson today talking about ornamentation. I never really learned then in college. I would actually rewrite the music in my own handwriting with all of the notes I needed to play transcribed into the music just so that I would remember to play the ornaments. If I didn't perform them exactly right, I just chalked it up to "my own interpretation". That got me by and towards the end, I just wanted to get a passing grade. But, like you, I do like to do things right. THIS is the video I have been looking for. I want to turn these into exercises for guitar. Thanks. 🙂
Thank you for your nice comment and for watching!
Thank you for a very adept and concise explanation of those ornaments. I was specifically looking for the mordant tonight as I had just downloaded Bach's Little Prelude 939 and I wanted to make sure I executed those mordants on the G bass correctly before committing it all to memory. Fortuitous for me your video showed up along with others and since you have a nice smile, I selected yours. I got the explanation I needed and a demonstration of said measures. The bonus for me is the explanation of the appoggiatura used in 'Alla Turca'. I have subscribed and will visit your channel again. Once more thank you.
Thanks for watching! You can check out a playlist of all of the intermediate pieces I've covered here: th-cam.com/play/PLyxlD3l1usT5XIe4QiPngmv8AYzy2gKGq.html&si=Etk2RVMJZkkzEqwj
You are a wonderful teacher and play very beautifully with a cantabile tone. Thanks so much for this useful video. You have a new subscriber.
Thank you for watching! More resources can be found here: www.jannawilliamson.com/resources
Thanks Janna. You are an excellent teacher and your videos are very informative and enjoyable!
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching.
Amazing.. Wonderful explaining
God bless you , this is the best channel and blessed Tchr for all around the musicians 👍👍
I love yoru teaching. This is the way it ought to be: discovery, explanatoin, love, and joy.
1:01 "Many people who graduated with a college degree in music are not ... music training..." You're right about that. Most music programs is where the love of music goes to die. Blaire School of Music killed my children's love of music (most, not all, teachers were brutal and abusive -- no uncommon). They beat it out of them. Most every music school grad I've known (not every) were ruined by music schools.
I was wondering if you would consider a "grace note", and "crushed note", and "acciaccatura" the same thing as a "short appoggiatura" since they all have the cross stroke through the stem? Or are there differences to each of these?
These are great questions that go beyond the scope of "basic" ornamentation. (and beyond my expertise!) The difference is that most grace notes, especially in the 19th century or later, are played *before* the beat, negating the "non-harmonic tone" quality of most appoggiaturas. Hope that helps.
@@JannaWilliamson Thank you for your response. Yes, beyond my expertise also, hence the question. The ponderings of a piano teacher's brain. :) Yes, I am familiar with the pre-beat, on beat performance practice based upon era and style. With my online digging, I ran into various things regarding the appoggiatura and acciaccatura that caused me to come away with more confusion than clarification. But I did learn that "acciaccatura" in Italian means "to crush" and that "appoggiatura" means "to lean upon" which I thought was interesting.
I have taught students that the main emphasis was on the melody note and that the "grace note" is decoration or embellishment but then on one site, they said that the emphasis was on the "grace note" with the melody note being secondary. So then that raised another question in my brain and I wondered "Oh, does it vary with historical period, or genre, etc.??" Any thoughts on this aspect regarding which note is emphasized in the situation where you do have a small note with the cross stroke?
Good news, I don't have any questions about the "long appoggiatura." :)
Thank you for your patience. Forever Learning, Norma.
@@92pianokeys40 Ha! These are great questions...and ones that many people ask. Yes, practice does depend on time period. My best advice with something like this is to find 2 or 3 recordings that you like by reputable artists and listen to what they do. :)
@@JannaWilliamson Great solution! An aesthetically pleasing end result is the goal after all. "Let your ear be your guide."
@@92pianokeys40 😍
Super helpful and not overwhelming thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Hi Janna! I didn't know your channel but I admire your honesty and enthusiasm. I'm a spanish postgrade piano student (not an expert in baroque ornamentation). a
As far as I know, at the baroque era (at least for the music composed by Bach) the appogiatura used to last at least half the value the note It precedes. There is valuable book, "los adornos en las obras de JS Bach" (something like the ornaments in the pieces by JS Bach) by Guillermo Graetzer. I don't know if the book is available in English (I read It on Spanish), but it explains all kind of ornamentation an its execution case by case. Hope its usefull.
Not un all cases, but I do think in the exaple you gave that B should be played as a quarter note
@@carlosmartinezparedes7630 Thanks for this resource! I looked it up and only see it in Spanish online - perhaps a future project for you would be to translate it to English. :) Thanks also for the comment about the B appoggiatura in the Minuet. Yes, that would sound nice as a quarter note. This particular type I have seen realized by various editors as various different lengths, so I appreciate you commenting.
Thanks so much for this! I am diving into your channel.
You’re welcome! More info about resources I offer can be found here: www.jannawilliamson.com/resources
Great lesson!
Thank you for watching!
We have upper and lower mordents
Yes, thank you!
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@@JannaWilliamson it's my pleasure. Teachers need teachers, too!
Thanks so much!
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Very helpful! Thank you :)
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Every 15 year old girl needs to learn that make up is like ornamentation. It is to enhance what is there, and not to become an end in itself by using too much.
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