How To Teach Chopin Nocturne in C-sharp Minor, Op. posth
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
- Today we’re talking about how to teach the Chopin Nocturne in C-sharp Minor, opus posthumous. This well-loved piece is difficult to navigate because editors have argued over what Chopin actually wrote or intended. UPDATE: I have a new video covering the introduction to this piece. Click here to view: • How To Teach - the INT...
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0:00 Introduction
0:55 Suggested editions and editorial issues
3:14 C# minor key signature, scales, and chords
4:03 Learning the LH arpeggiated chords
5:26 RH melodic considerations
8:32 B section and transition back to A section
10:12 Scales at the end
To view my video covering How To Teach one of the Preludes that I mentioned (Op.28, No.4), please click here: th-cam.com/video/ie61dnN6HAA/w-d-xo.html
You are kind! I love the way you end the session. "You have to slow down. I can not play the part in the same speed as the rest (of the piece) - and it's fine!" ... You take out the goals we never can reach, and put them in a place we can. What a kind and I believe right way to stribe for any student/piano player.
Thank you so much Janna!! That was super helpful! Such a lovely piece! Absolutely beautiful! Thank you for taking the time and effort to make these videos for us. Greatly appreciated! --Norma
I sure appreciate your doing these lessons for us teachers!! Thanks so much~
Thank you for watching!
Very helpful tutorial. Thank you!
You're welcome - thanks for watching!
I am curently studying precisely the two preludes you mentioned as an introduction for the Nocturnes !
the E minor one is a nightmare to remember
@@dnarvarg is that the op 28 no 4?
@@kevinr8258 it is !
@@dnarvarg I just saw this comment; I have a video on that prelude here: th-cam.com/video/ie61dnN6HAA/w-d-xo.html
“You have to slow down… and that is fine.” Thank you for that, I am terrified of that measure so this alleviates some of the pressure :-)
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This helped me so much! Thank you!!
Great presentation….🙏😍Thanks
Thank you for watching!
That bluberry/apple is very useful indeed! Thanks!
thank you for sharing!! love it!
You’re welcome!
Such an education video. Thanks!
Do you have other pieces in the intermediate repertoire that you'd like me to cover in a future video? Leave a comment here!
That piano is beautiful
Thank you!
good teacher, interesting background infos on Chopin! ty, subscribed
Nossa estou encantado !
You are very good at what you do , I just loved the explanation you did of this nocturne .
Thank you so much !
You are welcome! Please check out my other videos and let me know if there are other pieces you'd like me to cover in another video.
Thank you so much for this !
Thank you for watching!
You have a very delicate touch, it's awesome. And your instrument sounds great, very mellow. What is the brand ?
Thank you! My piano is a Yamaha C2 built in 1999. Perfect instrument for practice and teaching!
After your discussion regarding the various editions of this posthumous Nocturne, I understand why recordings vary significantly; not only in speed and rhythm, but occasionally with completely different notes. The great master Barenboim has recorded this several times, and his interpretation is wonderful, but in measure 55, he (& only he) plays A♯ instead of A♮ in the right hand. It just sounds wrong to me; especially with B♯ in the base! Every score I have ever seen has A♮. I would love to know your opinion on this, which may relieve me of sleepless nights! :-)
Thank you for this great insight! I've subscribed.
As a non classical pianist, could you please explain WHY do many pianists double time the tempo from measure 33? Is it ok to play it as written in normal time or would you recommend double time? Thanks in advance. :)
Honestly, I don’t know the answer as to why people usually double time! It all comes back to the issue that Chopin himself did not prepare this piece for publication and therefore the manuscripts were unclear. If I played it at the same tempo, it would seem rather pedantic to me, but I think you have freedom here to do what you think sounds best. 😊
My son this currently practicing this Chopin C-sharp minor. I don't realize there were so many variation about this themes.
You really illustrate skill and technique and direction for mastering this master piece. As I know, my son never mentioned his piano teacher gave him such detailed guidance.
I will tell my son about this video and give his feedback in here later. Thank you very much🙏
Thank you for the advice of the last part, I am unable to play 35 notes with the right hand and 4 notes with the left hand at the same tempo ^^
You're welcome! It's tricky, but once you get it, it's such a delight to play.
Hey janna...Thanks for such a simple explanation. I have a question. Would be really nice if you could answer. Since, G# major used in the above piece is not a part of chord progression of the key C# minor, does this make it a non-diatonic chord?
G# major is a diatonic V (dominant) chord in the key of C# minor because for minor keys, we base analysis on the harmonic form of the minor scale.
@@JannaWilliamson Thank you.
I play this one. It's not the best - but it's a true delight to play.
I really enjoyed your video, but you have kinda taken the wind out of my sails, when you actually explain the complexity.
It sounds relatively easy, until you explain it.
That's a good thing.
It will probably be a very long time before I can play this, but I do love it.
Thank you.
Sorry to be a sail buster, Malcolm! Perhaps this just gives you more appreciation for why it takes so long to train to be a professional pianist. 😊 Perhaps check out the Prelude in E Minor? Definitely simpler than this piece. th-cam.com/video/ie61dnN6HAA/w-d-xo.html
Hi, I have a problem to trill so fast. Have you got some trick and tips?
Hi Simone - since the trill is on two black keys, I assume you are using fingers 2 and 3. Try rotating your hand at a slow tempo, right to left, so you're not picking up your fingers to strike each key. Rotation technique with a very relaxed hand is usually how I get the best trills results with my students. But keep in mind that the trill doesn't need to be as fast as I played it!
Thank you so much!
Hi,I have a question, you say to me this:[...] Try roating you hand at a slow tempo, right to left[...]
Now I can do it (at a slow tempo). I want to do this more fast. So, when I trill, I have to move my hand or I have to move my fingers or I have to move the hand and the fingers?
@@simonevisentini56 I would encourage you to work with a teacher to continue moving forward with your technique. This is a topic that is difficult to discuss over text. While my videos can be useful for students, they are intended mostly to help experienced teachers working with their piano students.
how can this piece be level 9 out of 10? I don't understand. It seems quite easy to me?!
The RCM syllabus is intended for pedagogical use. Students playing level 10 are playing repertoire appropriate for conservatory auditions. I suppose this might be placed a bit high - perhaps level 8 would be more appropriate? You can see the entire RCM syllabus here: rcmusic-kentico-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/rcm/media/main/about%20us/rcm%20publishing/piano-syllabus-2022-edition.pdf
Beautiful Lady ... Know you an reason because are there many various versions that distuning the firsts words of this star of the music? How version is the "oficial"? KISS YOU FROM CHILE !
I came here to learn how to play those 35 notes and I got: "You just have to be able to do that. Period."
But I loved the video! I've been learning how to play it for a year, I'm still struggling with the 3/4 part and the scales.
@@YoungLamb 😆 My point was just that before tackling this piece, you need to know how to play C# minor scales very fast. It's simply a pre-requisite. I would suggest finding a good teacher to help you continue your work on this piece!
@@JannaWilliamson ❤️🎹 You are 100% right (and so kind for commenting!)
Great video and info, ur very handsome !
I never had a piano teacher but learned many songs by listening.
I think this one is something else, have to find a teacher..
Merci !
Thank you!
Interesting! I don’t think I’ve ever heard the d#....and so it sounds odd to me.
If Ashkenazy can do it, then I guess the rest of us can! th-cam.com/video/NDwdHY4WTh8/w-d-xo.html
@@JannaWilliamson Ah! Very nice!
iN THIS PIECE THE SCALES BE PLAY IN WATER FORM!
Ha!Ha!....My problem is not how to teach this piece,but how to learn it!
Many of my suggestions apply to learning as well as teaching!
It would be beautiful, if you did not talk, just play!!!