The True Cost of Lithium Batteries Is Not What You Think..
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LFP can also be charged to 100% regularly compared to regular level of 80% recommended
What I heard it is yes and no.. Tesla recommends that because better for BMS…. LFP still lithium..
Just has longer life compares NMC and less stressed after fully charged
What is regulat? Lfp is different chemistry from li-ion. So you charge different. And never to 100%. 98% is best for battery life with slow charge at the end of the charge curve. Again, they are different chemistries.
BTW superchargers are battery life killers. Fast charge of LFP only to 80% state of charge. 3.45 volts per cell is critical. From there on You can not fast charge to 3.6 volt without shortening battery life. Best is to charge to 3.45 volts and let absorb with low current from there to 98/99% soc. About an hour. The bms can even out cell differences within the pack. If you fast charge all the way up to max pack voltage you get imbalance in the cells due to internal resistance and temperature differences between cells.
So fast charge only to 80% for better life expectancy. Your wishes may vary though. We are all different.
You, like everyone else, forgets that Li ion batteries are almost entirely recyclable and several companies are coming on line to take advantage of it. In 30 to 40 years we will need very little lithium mining, only enough to handle the increase volume of battery needs..
I’ve heard recently about a large concentrated lithium deposit that was found in a ancient volcano. Found in Nevada and can be extracted easily
Yes, on the Oregon/Nevada border. 20-40 million metric tons possible. Finally, North America is now much more in the lithium game and can be a lithium leader of the world. Hopefully, Tesla will take over operations just if we want to see the deposits any time soon.
@@ericblanchard5873 that’s the one! Can go into production in 2 to 3 years if that happens that would be good for the USA supply chain
They also didn't mention the lithium clay project in Nevada. Some agency, I think DOE, is putting a billion dollars into getting that off the ground. Also, Piedmont Lithium is currently proving a large deposit of Spodumene in North Carolina.
Amazing video, I really loved the video editing with the elements diagram!
Mining happens until the combustion fleet is replaced by EVs. Then it reduces to 4% as batteries are 96% recyclable. This is what renewable means. Fossil fuels are mined, burnt and gone forever.
I believe there are pantograph powered trucks in various mimes already
Your video is literally packed so much good information with such good visuals. I normally don't comment, but you deserve it
True, he is actually putting in the problem without exaggeration
So enlightening and educational as always. Thank you so much!
Excellent video- really good explainer that doesn't talk down to the audience, but balances it really well
Need a part 2 please.. the Li discovery in Nevada?!?!
Highly informative
i love your videos🥰
Should be using sodium based batteries for BESS rather than lithium.
What's up with the graph at 3:35? The heights of the bars are only vaguely related to the numbers they're supposed to represent. Several of them are off by more than a factor of ten.
Enjoyed video 👍
they can also recycle batteries to lower the costs at every level
Thanks!
I predict: Lithium will be for the rich, LFP and Sodium will be for the masses...
Yes, it makes sense, Lithium (subsidized) for the wealthy, and LFP and Sodium for the masses. Yet "We The People" have a Republic and a government-directed economy should not be allowed. We are Not killing the planet as is the socially/politically acceptable narrative. What it is that approaches, is God's judgment.
You are a smart man.
Your projections are specifically based on what facts and cost analysis?
@@richardmarshall159 Do the search, give it maybe 10 minutes.
LFP is also lithium. Lithium Ferrous (iron) and phosphate.
I'm going to disagree with the list of "difficulties" in the mining of lithium. Those conditions apply to traditional mining operations where they have to find investors for the exploration and mining. Tesla does not have those cash issues. Tesla has the cash to simply buy up large areas of land where lithium can be mined. As I understand it costs about $500 million to set up a lithium mine. That's nothing for Tesla. Tesla does not need to wait for surveys or proven results to raise the money. They can just dig and pay for fast track of permits.
Thanks for enlightening us. It's very much appreciated!
It's worthwhile to point out that every electrochemist and engineer working on batteries knows that it is not at all necessary to use lithium batteries for stationary energy storage. High energy density is desirable for EV batteries, but neither mass nor volumetric energy density is all that important for say, Powerwalls or utility-scale batteries for energy storage. It's fine to use used not-yet-recycled lithium-ion batteries in stationary storage, but not necessary. 2 points: (1) it's NOT good to work out on salts flats rich in lithium salts (from evaporation, see 8:00) with no masks to protect workers from breathing in dust rich in lithium, (2) more electons in the core of sodium atoms than lithium atoms doesn't make the chemistry "more complex" (9:27) - that's just silly. Anyway, the mass of both the lithium and the sodium are a modest fraction of the mass of battery cathodes and, usually, even the anodes.
2:40 - to clarify, as we see from Insurrectionist after Insurrectionist being hit with 10 year and 20 year prison sentences right there in America, it means there's no such thing as Elon getting a pass for "making stupid jokes" in regards to coup attempts. that's not a "thing".
Keep trying and good luck.
A huge assumption is being made here…rules and regulations of the country in which mining is being performed.
12 minutes and not one word on the qty of lithium available from decommissioned batteries...? Perhaps episode 2 ...? 🤔
Right now not that much because most of these batteries are literally "still on the road" and recycling is not even worth it. In the future almost 100% of the battery chemistry will be recycled.
@@lepidoptera9337 Must be fairly profitable today as Redwood Materials have just acquired a large recycler in the EU.... lots of Nissan leafs and early NMC batteries being surrendered.
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I think we may see sodium-ion batteries find its place in smaller devices like laptop computers, tablet computers and cellphones,specially once the battery technology improves.
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The true cost of not using lithium batteries will destroy our world and end our existance
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE WAFFLE ON, THIS IS A ONE MINUTE VID
Lithium is in its twilight years. Sodium will be coming online anytime now.
Mm hmm, aaannyyy tiiiiimmmee now...
Just Have a Think is an *excellent* YT channel that covers emerging technologies and well as reporting on climate change research. My point: billions are being spent on battery technologies and other forms of energy storage. Lithium batteries are a *transition* technology. That EV naysayers can't seem to grasp this baffles me.
These aren't naysayers. These are paid fossil fuel industry shills. :-)
We have a plethora of lithium here in South Arkansas …
Someone research the company SLI on the stock market and decide if we should become bullish on it please
Yes, please invest all of your money in it. Ye Olde Nevada Silver Mine Company of 1886 is also still operational and it gives thousands of dollars of dividends per stock certificate. Oh... wait... :-)
One of my favorite channels.
Update, they found a bunch in oregon... not that they will ever mine it because our environment is more important than other countries
What the hell...happened to graphite 😶🤨🤔
What are the businesses that recycle EV batteries other than RedWood?
Li cycle, tesla/panasonic for years at gigaveda have recycled rejected cells, and ascend elements here in the U.S. all recycle li ion cells.
Lithium is also found in the ocean
The problem isn't about batteries. It about roads that perform no real function. If your EV has to carry the electric charge you need many batteries and enough efficiency in usage to make the EV practical.
If the road provides an electrical charge the you only need a small battery pack and a much less charge holding capacity. If roads did this EVs would be cheap because better road designs would do most of the work of moving transportation.
The model for this has existed for most of the last century with childrens car tracks, railroad tracks, etc. If the battery powered EV is the adult version of a kids triple A powered toy then a kids vehicle track is the version adults need for EVs. Only enough battery pack for short distances on unpowered roads.
In the post WWII years of the 1950's this country built the national Interstate roads. It took about twenty years to do. In about the same length of time America could build a nationwide network of powered roads for all electrically powered vehicles, heavy trucks and railroads. Additionally we'd have a new national power grid better than what exists now and it could power the entire nation on sun and wind, distributing it across the country and storing excess energy as needed. It would make America self sufficient in electrical usage with no dependency on foreign oil and terrorist countries.
In fact, the US could sell electricity to other countries and recoup all the costs of building the new energy transport system. Furthermore America could achieve most of its ecology goals. Lastly, by building such a new national system we could provide about fifty million high tech jobs, generate new businesses and turn many roads back into grass and parks since concrete and pavement are not needed to accomplish a powered roadway.
America could leave the past 20th century and enter the 21st century before costs rise to critical levels. America cannot support the future of the country on archaic, primitive roads. Our roads have become a terrific burden that grow worse and will cause an economic disaster. A more enlightened transportation system will have many important spinoffs. The cost of change goes up as time goes by. The benefits of imagination and foresight are historical and produce benefits.
For the road to provide that charge you have to install a wire in the road... go and calculate how much copper that will require. ;-)
@@lepidoptera9337 I already have. Did you? Or do you make a habit like almost everyone of letting others answer your questions without you doing the mental work?
@@PlanetEarth3141 And now you are just bullshitting, kid. Of course you haven't. You wouldn't even know how to get started with that calculation. :-)
What happen to the nuclear ☢️ battery 🔋?
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So this video was just uploaded in September 2023 and you say nothing of new lithium ore discoveries in the US and Canada. Current Lithium prices have fallen radically from peaks, lithium recycling businesses are only awaiting the stream of dead batteries, but you don't feel the need to mention these things in your takedown? Maybe you could have cut out some of the rather extraneous items in the buildup, but I suppose the function of those things is to make the listener feel there is completeness in your work, whereas it is quite a slanted piece.
Mining is always death at the end no part of this earth ever does well again so if we mine the whole world for our tech they better make us domes and provide scifi movie living cause it's a cycle of doom for nature which means we lose still.
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Lithium hydroxide is a VERY small portion of batteries for cars, and the mining is made by evaporation in brine pools.
The batteries typically are NCA and are primarily nickel.
"batteries typically are NCA" .. until this month, but no longer. LFP is now actually more expensive, and more popular, than ternary/NCA. The trend to LFP will continue. The nickel component will greatly diminish from EV industry. The "Lithium is bad" narrative is just wrong.
The cost of a lithium battery is the cost of a lithium battery. Nobody is losing money on any of the materials, processes, machines, manpower etc. that are being used to make it. The fossil fuel industry needs to stop bullshitting people. ;-)
Shhhhhh...
Before you know it you have a bunch of idiots starting a Stop Lithium Batteries Now, just to compete with Stop Oil Now!!!
Overuse of “sustainable “. There are products, procedures, and even businesses that have succeeded in surviving change over hundreds of years. When something is still in the experimental phase, calling it sustainable is hopeful, but not yet proven to be sustainable.
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Ya and i do believe they use lithium to make meth so gross
They make it "gross" on purpose?
@@incognitotorpedo42 I have no idea why they make it.. it is just gross
you seem to have left out the slaves who mine the lithium.
You seem to be misinformed. There are no "slaves" mining lithium. Maybe they're mining coal...
The MESSY process includes colonization, exploitation of people, etc.
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