Everyone is focused on electric cars, but what about the lithium batteries in disposable vapes? People throw thousands of them away every day, not to mention all the other electronics with batteries too.
How about all the lithium batteries in portable battery banks, electric shavers, computer mice, video game controllers? Everything really, but using lithium is better than one time use batteries in all these small devices, including vapes.
@@bryannonya9769 LOL You really have missed the plot haven't you? Do you see how destructive to these people this kind of mining is? Do you have any idea of how destructive mining cobalt, a component of Lion batteries is? Are you aware of how much coal is burned to power these vehicles? Or are you just obsessed with drinking the kool aid?
Through time electric cars offsets its production. It take about 18 months or even less depending on the electrical grid. No, green technology is not perfect but it’s far less harmful compared to the old fossil fuel technology.
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Well you need to show them big bad mining companies! Throw away what ever device you used to make that comment. You know since it’s made from lithium from that mine. Also you need to make sure you throw away any battery powered devices in your home. (Same mine).
What about water consumption for beef? You need about 4000 gallons of water for one kilo beef, in a tesla is about 30 kilo lithium for 1000 gallons. What about that?
@@tinoe.94 - thats an interesting comparison. Food vs raw material. I know cattle farming is also done in areas where it causes a lot of adverse and destructive side effects. Tropical rain forest in Brazil for instance. You got a point there.
Well, also using water for agriculture in a desert is also pretty dumb. At least that lithium can be used for something useful, unlike the few tomatos and quinoa, the mining companies should just hire the locals, so they have good paying jobs, and ensure that they have access to clean drinking water in their homes.
Well, also using water for agriculture in a desert is also pretty dumb. At least that lithium can be used for something useful, unlike the few tomatos and quinoa, the mining companies should just hire the locals, so they have good paying jobs, and ensure that they have access to clean drinking water in their homes.
@@jorgecrawford7419 they are not the only answer and the process to make an electric car is mega-mining lithium, copper and other metals, not to mention the huge contamination that process leaves behind. Not only that, the demand for silicon, rubber and palstic will skyrocket, along side the deman for petroleum and its derivates. Not to mention the already short tight supply of energy (electricity) and the infrastructure and logistics needed to supply electric cars. This problem will only get worse and worse.
@@aleksandarmiljesic68 & limited fossil fuels are?? I do agree, the process to manufacture a fully electric automobile isn’t to eco-friendly, but neither is traditional internal-combustion process either. We must meet halfway
@@jorgecrawford7419 first of fossil fuels are not "limited" (yet), every month or so new deposits are discovered to be exploited, specially since petroleum is derived from decomposing organic matter, and today petroleum reserves are estimated to last for another 50 years, thats excluding non discovered deposits. The entire process, infrastructure and logistics for building and mantaining an electric car running is far from "eco-friendly", even further away than todays ICEs. I dont see why we "must" meet halfway, climate has been changing since the earth was formed over 4.4 Billion years ago, nothing we do will stop climate from changing. But, if it gives you some piece of mind, there are car companies out there developing synthetic and alternative fuels that work well with the modern ICEs. Porsche has been testing synthetic fuels and the tests are giving good results, they recently opened a plant in Chile to further develop this fuels. Other companies like Toyota, Hyundai, BMW and General Motors (to name a few) are investing in Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology. Koenigsegg developed an ICE with virtually no carbon emissions, producing super and hyper car performance in a small, compact, low consumption 3-cylinder engine. The technology is being deveolped and the money is moving. But i can assure you, the downsides of the increasing mining activities vastly overcome the benefits of going "eco-friendly" with Lithium batteries.
Renewable energy doesnt address the problem of consumerism and western throw away culture...without solving that first, Renewable energy means little...
Endless profit and it's enabler - fractional reserve banking, e.g. debt is the actual problem. New loans or economic growth can never stop: if it does, the whole (pick your word) goes tumbling...
This is the main problem when you compare "green" tech vs oil/gas etc. You have to include ALL of the production chain, including the mineral chase around the world. Lithium is just one of the minerals requiered. So much for the green revolution.
You are 100% right. At the same time, studies that included all these factors showed that electric cars are still more environmentally friendly than ICE. Also keep in mind that after all this lithium is mined, it can be recycled again and again
@@rafalpilat4229 - The fact that most electricity is produced from fossil fuels, and likely CANNOT be practically produced primarily through wind-solar-hydroelectric due to energy density and cost issues puts a big hole in that idea. This is not to mention that our power grid cannot sustain a switch to entirely electric, and to try an do so would require many decades of power grid overhaul, and would also create even more extreme vulnerability in our power systems than already exists. I highly recommend taking a look at power generation, power transmission, the actual impact of CO2 on global warming (and how that might not actually be a bad thing), and how the push to go all-electric hurts poor people in emerging nations the most.
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So, it depends who mines it. If it’s America, then it must be good for the people. If it’s Russia or China, then it’s pollution and environmental disaster.
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No, it's not possible. If they draw fresh water faster than it replenishes, the water table gradually drops. Then they have to drill deeper wells to reach water. That can't go on forever. The only way to ensure locals have enough water is to not extract it faster than it replenishes. They were already caught extracting more brine than was authorized. You think they won't do the same with fresh water? Never mind. That's a stupid question. Even if they do abide by the established limits, it still won't be sustainable.
The process of evaporating the water from the brine likely produces enough fresh drinking water and water for their operation. All that has to be done is to trap it with a clear membrane and channel the condensed liquid down the side. They do this all the time in smaller scales. Perhaps having many smaller brine tanks is the solution.
He's right, it is easy, and definitely possible. Look up "solar desalination" and you will find all sorts of small scale examples. Throw massive green houses over these fields and there will be literal rivers of water as a byproduct. Of course, capitalism doesn't work this way. There's no reason for a CEO to spend money doing the right thing, when he can be exploitive, and make far greater profits. We have allowed 1% of the population to control 99% of the world's wealth; truly think about what that means. Wealth is a closed system, and the only reason so few are so massively rich, is because so many are desperately poor.
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Also, a passive solar greenhouse distillation system would greatly increase the amount of evaporation. And it wouldn't have to be a large set of greenhouses. A small operation would produce millions of litres a day.
@@roxylius7550 I'd wouldn't agree with the expensive part. Just a few acres of greenhouses. Or some other passive solar tech. It would be dirt cheap to assemble. But we all know these mining companies. They won't spend a green penny if they can avoid it.
If Chile ever gave the contracts for that mining to Chinese over U.S corporations. Then those mines are going to suddenly need some American democratic intervention.
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You idiots are all missing the point, even drilling for oil have been devastating to the environment don't let this propaganda video fool you! In the not too distant future our civilization really needs to get off fossil fuels, whether you guys like it or not!
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No, the water that evaporates comes from the salar, not from rivers. That water can’t be use for human consumption or for any other productive activity
@@Agustin_Rmining operations divert and pollute the rio san pedro and rio loa, the two crucial rivers that allow for these communities to exist. you are incorrect.
The problem with all of these claims is that this video didn't actually measure any of these benefits or costs (as stated in the title) and so anyone can say anything here. What are the benefits of reforestation? If I had to guess, I'd say from an avoided climate damage perspective (carbon sequestration) they are waaaaay less than the benefits from batteries replacing fossil fuel use. Is reversing desertification important, if even possible considering climate change and how would we get there without the lower fossil fuel consumption that is the whole purpose of these batteries? How many people would that effect and how do those benefits stack up in aggregate? Are new farms even a good idea considering market factors, let alone in such an arid area? The concept of this video was great, the execution - not so much.
The human rights issues due to cobalt mining in Africa, especially for the Congolese, is atrocious. I wonder if people really knew what it takes to make their electric vehicle…would they still support the industry…probably - and that’s the real sad problem…because people really don’t matter to these big corporations…it’s the “environment” that really matters.
'The environment' is just what people have been brainwashed to care about, and they have also been brainwashed about how 'the environment' can be saved. At the end of it, very little of it is not just the way the people who benefit the most from it, are best able to do exactly that. Imagine if more money could be made from manufacturing EVs than vehicles with Internal Combustion enginess, then force the market into EVs by 'banning' IC vehicles...
Economics can be done well or done badly. This isn't primarily a story about lithium or EV's. It's a story about how foreign players will inevitably act economically compared to locals. Partnerships with foreign companies to help with the technology needed can be just fine. Giving rights to the resource and development to foreign entities or control is an old story with inevitably bad outcomes, and there's no reason for players from Russia or China to care in the least. They don't need any relationship with these countries long-term.
@@GeorgeMonet Not necessarily. There are businesses in Europe that have been operating quite freely for many centuries without destroying their resources, customers, or owners. It all depends on the incentives. Greed is often not the only incentive for a local company. The owners / shareholders often have hopes of their children and grandchildren having the same life and earning a living from the same business, and that won’t be possible if it’s just greedily self-destructive. If greed is your only motive in a free market, that reflects on you, not the fact that the market is free. That is also why a truly free market has boundaries (regulation and law), also, to deal with the inevitable bad actors.
You're right about Russia and China not caring. Partnerships? I would make them invest in millions building infrastructure, roads bridges power plants, before I would let them export one ounce of lithium. Of course they will simply buy off the politicians and take whatever they want. And yes unfortunately there are many in the west that would do the same.
The scenary and landscapes captured in this video are remarkably beautiful. I hope that the mining companies, in addition to making sure the communities are cared for, will not destroy the natural beauty there.
@@Mirakolisclimate change hasn't caused desertification... It's simply that they were already deserts. Climate change has only caused ~1.9F temperature increase. That is not bad, but it isn't bad enough to cause desertification (yet).
If the water is evaporated, can't they condense the vapors and have pure water as a byproduct? It seems really wasteful just having the vapors escape in such a dry area.
Very great full that this video is being shown. I feel very strongly against the electric vehicle and the lie being advertised to the ignorant that the electric car is environmentally correct. There is currently no patented method of recycling Lithium batteries, no method commercially practiced. This should be concerning to people with a brain.
hence why i always buy a used phone and run it until it dies. these companies promoting phone upgrades every other year are one of the biggest problems.
True. It seems poor countries only elect leaders who are either communist or fascist. The communist mismanages the resources, and the fascist loots the resources. Ugh.
I don’t think necessarily to be a resource curse, but rather a human mismanagement problem of these resources not to mention the ferocity of human greediness is ever more present.
Start of this video: "Chinese and Russian companies and getting ready to mine Lithium in South America" This video also: proceeds to show American mining company Albemarle which already mines Lithium in South America, the last 20 years.
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What we need is LESS CARS. Less traffic, less roads, less speed, less destruction. Read the book Traffication by Paul Donald and you will understand. It’s not EV cars or carbon neutral cars because cars produce much more harm than just co2. Light pollution, noise pollition, habitat loss, tyres and brakes produce pollution and microplastics etc.
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What!?!? Electric vehicles and batteries are made out of limited resources just like gas powered vehicles!?!? No way!!! Thanks for this hugely informative article that definitely told us something we didn't know!
I have a friend who is trying to entice us to let a company mine our ground water for lithium. All of our other friends have done it, but here I am learning that this is terrible for our area!!!
It's not done the same way everywhere. So it really depends on the process they are going to use. Some recycle the water that is used, drastically reducing the amount of water needed for the process. But of course, less profitable, so only happens in countries with higher regulations (and I don't think I'd place the USA in this category if that's where you are).
@@melissabrenton4419 Well it would be nice if they did the same thing that we have in France. They want to open a mine so they asked 3 TH-camrs to present the technologies, pros, cons, logistics, impact on the environment, the fauna. They really put a lot of the technical details of everything that will be done. Let's face it, writing tons of documentation for people to read is great, but how many are going to read it. Three 15-20 minutes videos, each tackling different aspects, is much easier to grasp. They had done the same for an offshore wind project.
The Atacama isn’t one of the driest places on Earth, it is the driest place on Earth. In some parts it has never rained and the only water available is stored in the massive underground ocean underneath…now we’re evaporating that back into the hydrosphere for the first time in decades, and this will have an effect on the climate.
As long as the oil addicts get to say "See! See! There's no such thing as a clean energy, let's burn this planet down!" Which is half of these comments
exactly, so bring these people to somewhere nice. They live in dry and barren land. This is already a pretty poor life they live, so if you actually cared, you'd get them a place somewhere nice. But then again, its not really about the people but the soulless ev's eh?
You have to put the needs of eight billion humans ahead of Jose Morales. Climate change threatens everyone, including Jose. It also threatens most other species of life on the planet. Sorry about Jose's rough deal, but what happened to all his neighbors? They left to make a life somewhere else because the drought (climate change) made it too hard to live in the desert. Maybe Jose should do the same thing. Some places just aren't good for humans to live in.
I’m here to see what might happen to our neighbours in Serbia if they allow lithium mining in their country. They have crazy president and corrupt government so my only hope for them is the sane minority of it’s people.
Those communities are the reason why I hope we get alternative fuels for cars or equipment that currently work with internal combustion when its expensive or not viable to use batteries.
More than a few brands are working on synthetic carbon-neutral fuel, which works with current engines instead of fossil fuel. A few of them have shown real promise, Porsche's one being the most promising to date.
This is the wrong mindset to have: rather than argue about which method to use to power cars, we should be focusing on dropping the number of cars needed as a whole. Improve urban planning to encourage walking or mass transit.
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The communist governor of Michigan is wanting to build them all over the state. After all, we have the most fresh water to make the top one millionth richest people even richer.
The government has just announced their intention to build a massive lithium battery factory, at Bridgewater in Somerset. Meanwhile, all we hear is terrible stories of negativity about EV vehicles, and what a catastrophy awaits us.
Costs will certainly go up much sooner, as the mines are reaching max capacity. No big deal. Sooner or later this EV fad will subside and good old diesel will rise again. The car owner will pay for everything.
What happens to ICE vehicles once oil begins drying up? At least it is possible to recycled older EV batteries. They can be 95% recycled, with the lithium and cobalt being 90% recovered and reused in new batteries. Is anyone recycling and reusing old burned gas/petrol or diesel?
@@Brian-om2hh drying up 😂 Don't believe the lies sheep. Car oil is recycled... So is car parts. You are obviously uneducated AF like most EV fans, batteries can't be recycled forever, they break down. Your arguments are totally flawed. You do realise electricity to charge EV's is created by burning coal 🙄
HAHAHAHA BHP and BP would like to have a chat with you.... I worked in mining in Western companies, are they better? Probably but there are plenty of major mining companies that have had environmental disasters that are huge in scope taking human lives and destroying eco systems.
I just love the way we kid ourselves thinking we are doing the right thing by going green!..What a load of BS, the whole thing is about profits, nothing more.
As usual, across the world from the big cities to the harsh desserts of any country, where big money is to be made and, people are driven by greed , the well being of the poor and disenfranchised get ignored.
Freshwater isn't that renewable. Especially if they are pumping out groundwater which can take thousands of years to replenish. We are getting less rain and snow every year, snow melt is converting to water vapor directly instead of turning to snow melt that adds to water tables for rivers and lakes,. There is not enough fresh water to go around in many locations on Earth. Look at the news, see all the places experiencing record high temperatures and droughts.
This is nothing in comparison to the scale of environmental damage from oil and gas extractions. Water can be drawn from desalination plants powered by renewables.
This is only part. Hunter Briben and the Chinese are in a partnership to use child labor to clear cut and strip mine the Congo for Cobalt. It's a disaster worse than Chernobyl.
It’s not nothing. For example There are plans in my state to build an open pit lithium mine in Gaston County. This mine would destroy mountain forest and farmland and probably pollute clean creeks
No one seems to put that together because these countries do an amazing job at distracting its populations, covering up the lie with propaganda, and just the fact that, especially in America, there is a huge concentration of sheeple that will believe anything and everything.
The sophistication of the discussion on this video is low, even for youtube. Not all that surprising considering that the video doesn't provide any answers to it's title.
Looking at how poor in water reserves are these countries and still mining lithium. In Serbia a company was planning to mine lithium but my people protested and it didn't go thru even tho we have lots of water.
yeah I bet that American Lithium companies do it very differently in Nevada, isn't that right Business Insider/Axel Springer SE? I bet they have much to learn from them, let's see it, I'd love to see a complete report of Lithium extraction, the American way, done by Business Insider and their boss, Axel Springer SE. Wouldn't that be interesting too, Dr. Mathias Döpfner?
I'm really curious what the point you're trying to make is. That work standards in wealthier countries are higher? That companies have gotten *really* good at screwing over Central/South American countries?
And now compare this with the unimaginable damage the oil industry does, and check how many tons of oil a single EV battery saved.... the environmental discussion is ridiculous, nothing does more damage then ICE cars powered by diesel or gasoline. Every EV on the road saves tons and tons and tons of oil, the battery can be recycled, wasted and burned oil cannot.
If companies are building plants planning for next 5 or 6 decades, they have already done their homework. What they need to do is build water pipelines to nearby habitable areas and provide that free of charge. In fact that must be in their government contracts.
it should be a problem if it is a short term (relatively). But, if the mine lasts that long, they could just make solar plants there to desalinate seawater/repurpose used water., they can use the fact that there's virtually no rain clouds all the time. when everything is done, those solar plants can be used by the locals to power their towns.
You can make a dramatic story with just about anything farmed at an industry level. Just as there is a massive amount of stories about oil and the harm it has done, of course led to the need for more lithium. There is no getting away from the need for the things that power our world. Could we care more and capitalize less, sure, but good luck making that happen.
Yes, but no. The problem isn't that mining lithium affects the environment, it's that EVs are advertised as "green" when it's actually not. Extracting the resources needed to make EVs is just as harmful to the environment as extracting oil. It's not environmentally friendly, but few people seem to take notice.
@@danielcreatd872 Agree, but that don't excuse doing damage because it's less then oil. Or any other industry that's primary purpose is to power our world. To make things worse we still need all those other industries including oil. All EVs have done is add more demand and create a new problem. If we got rid of oil I would be all for it as we chose the lesser of two evils, but that's not the case.
@@John-cp6uc Most life cycle analysis show that EVs are more environmentally friendly than internal combustion engines, even accounting for the harm done in manufacturing. The environmental damage done by lithium or cobalt mining is local and won’t affect the rest of the world, while the same cannot be said for carbon dioxide emissions.
@@John-cp6uc I never said they were completely harmless. I simply said they result in less carbon emissions overall. A single fossil fuel powered vehicle digging lithium can replace thousands of other fossil fuel vehicles with its output. And as I said before, the damage of mining is mostly local.
@@blerst7066 It isn’t completely harmless, but it is much less harmful. The damage done by lithium or cobalt mining is limited to the local area, unlike carbon dioxide emissions.
Well, this report is not bad. Although I would scare the lithium industry a little bit. I would have included the new findings in battery scientific research that proposed alternatives to lithium. Sodium-ion batteries also swerve sharply from lithium-ion chemistries common today. These batteries have a design similar to that of lithium-ion batteries, including a liquid electrolyte, but instead of relying on lithium, they use sodium as the main chemical ingredient. That means all that brine would have to be filtered, or get its water evaporated and still bring a little income to those South American countries. However, much less than lithium. But may not need sweet water in the process.
Sodium ion batteries are on the horizon and slated to launch late this year. Assuming it does do what it promises to do then the need for Lithium should lower.
They are so so far away from being a thing bud.. respectfully intended but I guarantee you that this is not something you will see in the next 10 years
@MrDmadness If I remember right the Chinese are having a difficult time making there's run at all. Seen several videos of their EVs catching fire more so than people say Teslas do
@@Leo-gt1bxI’m not sure mining salt needs to create any pollution. We already produce a lot of salt for our food systems. There are many established salt flats, it’s just a case of evaporating sea water
I mean it sounds like we just need to pressure them/hold them to switching to sea water. We also need to insure these countries actually benefit to the fullest off these plants.
the desalination plants in chile’s atacama use massive amounts of energy, nearly all of which is fossil fuel generated. also the desalination leeches chemicals into the sea, causing high levels of cancer and other disease and kills the marine ecosystems. every solution has a drawback, but instead of opting for the most sustainable and least destructive, mining companies and government (often one and the same) just choose the most profitable option in the short term.
Without the Andes blocking the rain, those lithium deposits might've just washed away into the sea ages ago. Yet, if it only rained there, they wouldn't be facing a fresh water crisis.. but the trade off is there wouldn't be any lithium to mined.
The amount of power it would take too run all electric vehicles is mind bending. People are being denied permits all over commercially for power stations as reports show some of these use more power than the whole town…
@@Jhossackyou are one inept muppet.. you're the deluded one here champ if you think the current electrical grid can handle everyone owning an EV.. Most hot countries can't even handle a summer providing aircon usage in homes..
The amount of power it takes to run the oil industry is also mind bending. Huge amounts of electricity are required just to pump crude oil out of the ground, before it even reaches a refinery..... and once it does reach a refinery, around 6kw of electricity is used to produce each gallon of gas/petrol or diesel. Then 25% of *all* the diesel produced is used to transport the rest of it to where it is stored or sold. Madness....
@@Brian-om2hh And funny enough, if you switched to electric power right now entirely.. it would be worse for a LONG time, battery charge capacity, and efficiency is not there yet for many applications. We re getting closer though.
@@Brian-om2hh Madness indeed... but that applies to both of these options. One has already raped the planet and caused possibly irreversible harm and the other is currently in the process of doing the same, a battery is just an energy storage device and electricity generation is not clean enough yet. EV's will not save the planet and there manufacture is causing considerable harm. I have no preference or answers but would question major government green policies that are pushing this short term stuff due to economics.
Heartbreaking to see the plight of that little girl... local communities that have been poor since generations could be given Govt jobs elsewhere & assisted out of the poverty that they currently live within...
If people still drove their old gas powered vehicles every day for the rest of their lives, they would put out less pollution than companies that manufacture lithium 🔋
What an dumb statement, completely missing the context Firstly, lithium isn't only used for car batteries. Secondly, what "people"? Only those who had a car 20 years ago? There will be many more EVs than gas powered vehicles at some point because more and more people can afford a car (on a global scale). Would it be better, if all the people in China who started to be able to afford cars in the last decade would choose a gas powered car? The actual problem is people are fat and lazy, they drive too much for unnecessary things, and many countries have incompetent governments that are lacking decades behind in public transport (USA).
You are right. What’s crazier is that it’s a minority group of people who call the shots for the entire world. All they care about is wealth, power and control. It’s too late though. The ultimate destruction is in full swing.
Make do and mend option works better. People get hooked into these must buy a new car, phone or piece of tech on finance packages and replace them every three years rather than keep for longer periods and mend them. Usually its known as keeping up with the neighbours. I personally prefer if items are repaired and not thrown away. Also manufacturers are to blame as they make the majority of their products disposable now with cheap buying costs, no product parts backup or they make them difficult to repair. Some of us car and vehicle enthusiasts actually see the keep a older vehicle running a better option for the planet than buying new as you reduce the emissions of building and shipping new vehicles around the world.
Is the actual goal of reducing climate impact really to save the planet? Or is to save the economy? We seem to be figuring out great ways to make money while doubling down on destroying the planet.
How can these lithium companies keep the people WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTRIES in the dark about their processes and agreements and sit by when they are dying of thirst?
So in Chile we pump underground potable water into these evaporation pools to create brine, while in Saudi Arabia they don't know what to do with too much brine from desalination plants and pump brine back into the ocean?! I also recently learned that where I live, the sewage treatment system treats and purifies a volume that represents about half of what our biggest irrigation dam uses. But all the treated water from the plant is just dumped into the ocean instead of being reused for irrigation. Oh this humanity!!!
Because poisoning the land and people with water containing toxic chemicals is a great idea amiright? Calling something a brine doesn't mean it is all the same. Brine in this instance means it has a mineral salt but that salt isn't necessarily NaCl nor is necessarily a lithium salt. And the brine pumped into the ocean by plants in Saudi Arabia is very highly concentrated saltwater where they have already removed a large volume of fresh water from that brine. Well large as in 10%ish by volume. The remaining brine is a useless poison due to the extremely high concentation of NaCl.
Everyone is focused on electric cars, but what about the lithium batteries in disposable vapes? People throw thousands of them away every day, not to mention all the other electronics with batteries too.
Theyre in everything. I have a bag for all used batteries to go to the hazmat place.
they use them for vapes helps keep the environment good and removing of excess people
Kind of a silly comparison by weight alone, but the problem of waste is worth pointing out regardless
@@version1.27very valid point
How about all the lithium batteries in portable battery banks, electric shavers, computer mice, video game controllers? Everything really, but using lithium is better than one time use batteries in all these small devices, including vapes.
I love how all the 'green' technology is never truly 'green'. Not even close.
no emerging technology is perfect, people scoffed at the first cars too, and those people were proven really wrong as you are
It’s not green you can argue it’s worse but people don’t see it if it’s further down the chain electric is not a visible as a liquid gas
@@bryannonya9769 LOL You really have missed the plot haven't you? Do you see how destructive to these people this kind of mining is? Do you have any idea of how destructive mining cobalt, a component of Lion batteries is? Are you aware of how much coal is burned to power these vehicles? Or are you just obsessed with drinking the kool aid?
How can you 'love' that?? Or do you mean that you like the idea that people having misconceptions?
Through time electric cars offsets its production. It take about 18 months or even less depending on the electrical grid.
No, green technology is not perfect but it’s far less harmful compared to the old fossil fuel technology.
Same is happening in Europe. You just need to switch Russia and China with EU and Bolivia with Serbia.
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@@Mr.Feanor dudlaj
To use valuable drinking water in such a arid and scarce area for lithium mining is so absurd. Thank you for sharing this info.
Well you need to show them big bad mining companies! Throw away what ever device you used to make that comment. You know since it’s made from lithium from that mine. Also you need to make sure you throw away any battery powered devices in your home. (Same mine).
What about water consumption for beef? You need about 4000 gallons of water for one kilo beef, in a tesla is about 30 kilo lithium for 1000 gallons. What about that?
@@tinoe.94 - thats an interesting comparison. Food vs raw material. I know cattle farming is also done in areas where it causes a lot of adverse and destructive side effects. Tropical rain forest in Brazil for instance.
You got a point there.
Well, also using water for agriculture in a desert is also pretty dumb. At least that lithium can be used for something useful, unlike the few tomatos and quinoa, the mining companies should just hire the locals, so they have good paying jobs, and ensure that they have access to clean drinking water in their homes.
Well, also using water for agriculture in a desert is also pretty dumb. At least that lithium can be used for something useful, unlike the few tomatos and quinoa, the mining companies should just hire the locals, so they have good paying jobs, and ensure that they have access to clean drinking water in their homes.
*Creates a new problem while trying to solve an old problem*
Hybrid vehicles are the only answer to saving climate crisis. Just need a mixture of both sides to contribute
@@jorgecrawford7419 they are not the only answer and the process to make an electric car is mega-mining lithium, copper and other metals, not to mention the huge contamination that process leaves behind. Not only that, the demand for silicon, rubber and palstic will skyrocket, along side the deman for petroleum and its derivates. Not to mention the already short tight supply of energy (electricity) and the infrastructure and logistics needed to supply electric cars. This problem will only get worse and worse.
@@aleksandarmiljesic68 & limited fossil fuels are?? I do agree, the process to manufacture a fully electric automobile isn’t to eco-friendly, but neither is traditional internal-combustion process either. We must meet halfway
@@jorgecrawford7419 first of fossil fuels are not "limited" (yet), every month or so new deposits are discovered to be exploited, specially since petroleum is derived from decomposing organic matter, and today petroleum reserves are estimated to last for another 50 years, thats excluding non discovered deposits.
The entire process, infrastructure and logistics for building and mantaining an electric car running is far from "eco-friendly", even further away than todays ICEs. I dont see why we "must" meet halfway, climate has been changing since the earth was formed over 4.4 Billion years ago, nothing we do will stop climate from changing.
But, if it gives you some piece of mind, there are car companies out there developing synthetic and alternative fuels that work well with the modern ICEs. Porsche has been testing synthetic fuels and the tests are giving good results, they recently opened a plant in Chile to further develop this fuels. Other companies like Toyota, Hyundai, BMW and General Motors (to name a few) are investing in Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology. Koenigsegg developed an ICE with virtually no carbon emissions, producing super and hyper car performance in a small, compact, low consumption 3-cylinder engine.
The technology is being deveolped and the money is moving. But i can assure you, the downsides of the increasing mining activities vastly overcome the benefits of going "eco-friendly" with Lithium batteries.
@@jorgecrawford7419lies
produce small, light cars, with small engines, this is a solution.
producing 500hp electric cars is not a solution.
Renewable energy doesnt address the problem of consumerism and western throw away culture...without solving that first, Renewable energy means little...
True, we need to push corporations to support “right to repair”.
Endless profit and it's enabler - fractional reserve banking, e.g. debt is the actual problem. New loans or economic growth can never stop: if it does, the whole (pick your word) goes tumbling...
If people werent like that corporations wouldn't make money
The individual is the one that chooses whether to buy or not.
@@fishy2939simple: they go back to the stone age
They don't care as long as they have a pocket full of money.
And we dont care as long as we can leave comments on our lithium battary powered devices.
every human reacts to money
You can bet that the elite trade in gold standard. Fiat and digital currency is the easiky erased play money for the plebian class.
@@Selahaddin33 sorry lad, my battery does not weigh 2000 pounds
That’s really it! Same for the shareholders!
This is the main problem when you compare "green" tech vs oil/gas etc. You have to include ALL of the production chain, including the mineral chase around the world. Lithium is just one of the minerals requiered. So much for the green revolution.
You are 100% right. At the same time, studies that included all these factors showed that electric cars are still more environmentally friendly than ICE. Also keep in mind that after all this lithium is mined, it can be recycled again and again
@@rafalpilat4229 - The fact that most electricity is produced from fossil fuels, and likely CANNOT be practically produced primarily through wind-solar-hydroelectric due to energy density and cost issues puts a big hole in that idea. This is not to mention that our power grid cannot sustain a switch to entirely electric, and to try an do so would require many decades of power grid overhaul, and would also create even more extreme vulnerability in our power systems than already exists.
I highly recommend taking a look at power generation, power transmission, the actual impact of CO2 on global warming (and how that might not actually be a bad thing), and how the push to go all-electric hurts poor people in emerging nations the most.
We don't need a green revolution, we need a real, social revolution.
Propaganda over Reason. Idealism vs. Reality.
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The farmers very first words were straight to the point and I applaud it.
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So, it depends who mines it. If it’s America, then it must be good for the people. If it’s Russia or China, then it’s pollution and environmental disaster.
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I feel it would be quite easy for these mining companies to ensure water facility for these tiny local communities in the desert!
No, it's not possible. If they draw fresh water faster than it replenishes, the water table gradually drops. Then they have to drill deeper wells to reach water. That can't go on forever. The only way to ensure locals have enough water is to not extract it faster than it replenishes. They were already caught extracting more brine than was authorized. You think they won't do the same with fresh water?
Never mind. That's a stupid question. Even if they do abide by the established limits, it still won't be sustainable.
The process of evaporating the water from the brine likely produces enough fresh drinking water and water for their operation. All that has to be done is to trap it with a clear membrane and channel the condensed liquid down the side. They do this all the time in smaller scales. Perhaps having many smaller brine tanks is the solution.
He's right, it is easy, and definitely possible. Look up "solar desalination" and you will find all sorts of small scale examples. Throw massive green houses over these fields and there will be literal rivers of water as a byproduct.
Of course, capitalism doesn't work this way. There's no reason for a CEO to spend money doing the right thing, when he can be exploitive, and make far greater profits. We have allowed 1% of the population to control 99% of the world's wealth; truly think about what that means. Wealth is a closed system, and the only reason so few are so massively rich, is because so many are desperately poor.
The chinese and russia don't care about their own people why would they care about bolivians?
Evaporating from brine does not produce fresh water. That water is evaporated into the air.
Nothing in this video is a surprise. There is no free lunch.
exactly. As important as it is to get off fossil fuels, buying a 120kWh SUV isn't going to save the planet.
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It’s too bad they couldn’t catch the water as it evaporates to store for locals. Water is so precious especially in regions like this
Also, a passive solar greenhouse distillation system would greatly increase the amount of evaporation.
And it wouldn't have to be a large set of greenhouses. A small operation would produce millions of litres a day.
@@drmodestoesq that's a good idea
@@jeffbybee5207good but expensive one. Unfortunately, those companies only speak money
It's not that they can't, it's that they won't.
@@roxylius7550 I'd wouldn't agree with the expensive part. Just a few acres of greenhouses. Or some other passive solar tech. It would be dirt cheap to assemble.
But we all know these mining companies. They won't spend a green penny if they can avoid it.
This has been known for YEARS.....thanks for finally catching up to everyone...
And then big brother will come out with a story on how they have to “rescue” them in “exchange” of commodities
If Chile ever gave the contracts for that mining to Chinese over U.S corporations. Then those mines are going to suddenly need some American democratic intervention.
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Would love to see what’s going on in Africa with Lithium mining…
Cobalt
You idiots are all missing the point, even drilling for oil have been devastating to the environment don't let this propaganda video fool you! In the not too distant future our civilization really needs to get off fossil fuels, whether you guys like it or not!
@@francismarion6400 Which is used to clean fossil fuels and has been for decades for batteries came along.
much the same backhanders for the rich
No doubt just as bad!
Yikes that’s a terrible predicament. ‘plugs in rechargeable phone lined with lithium to continue to watch video’
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that amount of water could have been used for new farms for local people, reforestation projects, reversal of desertification
No, the water that evaporates comes from the salar, not from rivers. That water can’t be use for human consumption or for any other productive activity
and yet it wasnt used for any of those things.
@@Agustin_Rmining operations divert and pollute the rio san pedro and rio loa, the two crucial rivers that allow for these communities to exist. you are incorrect.
@@michaelsalama6631wasted words on fools who worship machines
The problem with all of these claims is that this video didn't actually measure any of these benefits or costs (as stated in the title) and so anyone can say anything here. What are the benefits of reforestation? If I had to guess, I'd say from an avoided climate damage perspective (carbon sequestration) they are waaaaay less than the benefits from batteries replacing fossil fuel use. Is reversing desertification important, if even possible considering climate change and how would we get there without the lower fossil fuel consumption that is the whole purpose of these batteries? How many people would that effect and how do those benefits stack up in aggregate? Are new farms even a good idea considering market factors, let alone in such an arid area? The concept of this video was great, the execution - not so much.
The human rights issues due to cobalt mining in Africa, especially for the Congolese, is atrocious. I wonder if people really knew what it takes to make their electric vehicle…would they still support the industry…probably - and that’s the real sad problem…because people really don’t matter to these big corporations…it’s the “environment” that really matters.
I have ab ev. It has zero cobalt. Stop pushing your pro fossil fuel misinformation
They wouldn’t. But the legacy media makes sure that they don’t run stories about it.
'The environment' is just what people have been brainwashed to care about, and they have also been brainwashed about how 'the environment' can be saved. At the end of it, very little of it is not just the way the people who benefit the most from it, are best able to do exactly that. Imagine if more money could be made from manufacturing EVs than vehicles with Internal Combustion enginess, then force the market into EVs by 'banning' IC vehicles...
I won’t be buying electric, simply can’t afford it. Second hand cars cost $10,000 for a new battery.
@@tsunamis82 Without the battery, they are not worth much.
Economics can be done well or done badly. This isn't primarily a story about lithium or EV's. It's a story about how foreign players will inevitably act economically compared to locals. Partnerships with foreign companies to help with the technology needed can be just fine. Giving rights to the resource and development to foreign entities or control is an old story with inevitably bad outcomes, and there's no reason for players from Russia or China to care in the least. They don't need any relationship with these countries long-term.
Roger that! If it goes bad in China. Ouch! Globally? More Ouch perhaps.
The free market will always destroy due to simple human greed.
@@GeorgeMonet Not necessarily. There are businesses in Europe that have been operating quite freely for many centuries without destroying their resources, customers, or owners. It all depends on the incentives. Greed is often not the only incentive for a local company. The owners / shareholders often have hopes of their children and grandchildren having the same life and earning a living from the same business, and that won’t be possible if it’s just greedily self-destructive. If greed is your only motive in a free market, that reflects on you, not the fact that the market is free. That is also why a truly free market has boundaries (regulation and law), also, to deal with the inevitable bad actors.
They will use up the resource and leave a huge mess
You're right about Russia and China not caring. Partnerships? I would make them invest in millions building infrastructure, roads bridges power plants, before I would let them export one ounce of lithium. Of course they will simply buy off the politicians and take whatever they want. And yes unfortunately there are many in the west that would do the same.
The scenary and landscapes captured in this video are remarkably beautiful. I hope that the mining companies, in addition to making sure the communities are cared for, will not destroy the natural beauty there.
pffff i wish i would be half as hopefull as you.
They are guaranteed to destroy the environment. They don't care, they only care about $$$$$.
small price to pay to save the planet
@@geoms6263ignorant thing to say.. how exactly does mining lithium "save the planet " ?
If history tells anything, they'll exploit it until the money runs out. Then walk away.
The green energy future will leave behind dry desiccated landscapes and the graves of the people who lived there.
They are already deserts though. It's a salt flat, what are you going to grow there?
What do you think made many of these places dry in the first place? It’s climate change induced by fossil fuel usage
@@Mirakolisclimate change hasn't caused desertification... It's simply that they were already deserts. Climate change has only caused ~1.9F temperature increase. That is not bad, but it isn't bad enough to cause desertification (yet).
@@Violent_Combustion all deserts are the result of climate change.
If the water is evaporated, can't they condense the vapors and have pure water as a byproduct?
It seems really wasteful just having the vapors escape in such a dry area.
Very great full that this video is being shown. I feel very strongly against the electric vehicle and the lie being advertised to the ignorant that the electric car is environmentally correct.
There is currently no patented method of recycling Lithium batteries, no method commercially practiced. This should be concerning to people with a brain.
hence why i always buy a used phone and run it until it dies. these companies promoting phone upgrades every other year are one of the biggest problems.
I think this is a great example of the resource curse.
hi michaelp, have you become a flat earther yet?
@@flat-earther man you guys are digging in the wrong hole looking for pancake batter.
True. It seems poor countries only elect leaders who are either communist or fascist. The communist mismanages the resources, and the fascist loots the resources. Ugh.
@@ThePilotGear why are you generalizing me saying you guys?
I don’t think necessarily to be a resource curse, but rather a human mismanagement problem of these resources not to mention the ferocity of human greediness is ever more present.
Start of this video: "Chinese and Russian companies and getting ready to mine Lithium in South America"
This video also: proceeds to show American mining company Albemarle which already mines Lithium in South America, the last 20 years.
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What we need is LESS CARS. Less traffic, less roads, less speed, less destruction. Read the book Traffication by Paul Donald and you will understand. It’s not EV cars or carbon neutral cars because cars produce much more harm than just co2. Light pollution, noise pollition, habitat loss, tyres and brakes produce pollution and microplastics etc.
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What!?!? Electric vehicles and batteries are made out of limited resources just like gas powered vehicles!?!? No way!!! Thanks for this hugely informative article that definitely told us something we didn't know!
Best comment of the day!
It is just a political game. West/East.. like always... Planet will recover but it will wash away its head lice calledhumans
неш копати.
This makes you think what we take for granted... Is destroying land and peoples need for water worth all this?
I have a friend who is trying to entice us to let a company mine our ground water for lithium. All of our other friends have done it, but here I am learning that this is terrible for our area!!!
It's not done the same way everywhere. So it really depends on the process they are going to use. Some recycle the water that is used, drastically reducing the amount of water needed for the process. But of course, less profitable, so only happens in countries with higher regulations (and I don't think I'd place the USA in this category if that's where you are).
@@johngonon1507 I am. She said that the wells will cycle the unused water back into the ground.
@@melissabrenton4419 Well it would be nice if they did the same thing that we have in France. They want to open a mine so they asked 3 TH-camrs to present the technologies, pros, cons, logistics, impact on the environment, the fauna. They really put a lot of the technical details of everything that will be done.
Let's face it, writing tons of documentation for people to read is great, but how many are going to read it. Three 15-20 minutes videos, each tackling different aspects, is much easier to grasp.
They had done the same for an offshore wind project.
The Atacama isn’t one of the driest places on Earth, it is the driest place on Earth. In some parts it has never rained and the only water available is stored in the massive underground ocean underneath…now we’re evaporating that back into the hydrosphere for the first time in decades, and this will have an effect on the climate.
Where are the people who say EVs are clean? They aren't even close
The treated sewage likely has chlorine from killing bacteria, and other chemicals that would not be good for irrigation.
I hope Serbian people will watch this!
The poor people always suffer when these kinds of things happens 😢, all the big company and government see is the money it’s sad
You all forget what oil has done let alone all the bi products of oil
As long as the oil addicts get to say "See! See! There's no such thing as a clean energy, let's burn this planet down!" Which is half of these comments
Anything with "commitment" and "big mining company" summon a feeling of scepticism and comedy nowadays.
Sanction works way better.
Imagine where we will be when table salt is expensive or rare.
You mean after we've sold all the trillions of tonnes of salt to the Zagon Galactic Empire?
I guess we're gonna be screwed after that happens.
It won't, salt is one of the most abundant materials on earth. About 3.5% of seawater is salt, and seas/oceans cover 71% of the earth's surface
@@rafalpilat4229 Aren't the seas and oceans also polluted with heavy metals or radioactive waste?
Gotta put human need ahead of innovation
exactly, so bring these people to somewhere nice. They live in dry and barren land. This is already a pretty poor life they live, so if you actually cared, you'd get them a place somewhere nice. But then again, its not really about the people but the soulless ev's eh?
You have to put the needs of eight billion humans ahead of Jose Morales. Climate change threatens everyone, including Jose. It also threatens most other species of life on the planet. Sorry about Jose's rough deal, but what happened to all his neighbors? They left to make a life somewhere else because the drought (climate change) made it too hard to live in the desert. Maybe Jose should do the same thing. Some places just aren't good for humans to live in.
6:50 is a lie. Revenue is not profit. Revenue is a much higher % than profit.
I’m here to see what might happen to our neighbours in Serbia if they allow lithium mining in their country. They have crazy president and corrupt government so my only hope for them is the sane minority of it’s people.
Those communities are the reason why I hope we get alternative fuels for cars or equipment that currently work with internal combustion when its expensive or not viable to use batteries.
More than a few brands are working on synthetic carbon-neutral fuel, which works with current engines instead of fossil fuel. A few of them have shown real promise, Porsche's one being the most promising to date.
It would be need on impossible for any form of piston action engine to match the efficiency of an electric motor than only has one moving part.
You are thinking a fuel produced for ice cars isn’t going to have negative consequences during production for some reason?
Why is that?
@@showme360 you need a power plant to make that electricity, EV's pollute more when take account how electricity is made
This is the wrong mindset to have: rather than argue about which method to use to power cars, we should be focusing on dropping the number of cars needed as a whole. Improve urban planning to encourage walking or mass transit.
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Similar is about to happen in Serbia, because EU wants to be greener and sell vehicles that average Serbian can't even afford.
I wonder if Greta or John Kerry are going to go there and protest the environmental damage this all causing?
The climate hustle is strong.
Getting your cobalt as fast as we can Greta.
you're aware our main cobalt needs are in the fossil fuel industry, refining gasoline to reduce sulphur?
Meanwhile there are tons of lithium batteries that use no cobalt at all
As long as it's not in our backyards! Am I right?
The communist governor of Michigan is wanting to build them all over the state. After all, we have the most fresh water to make the top one millionth richest people even richer.
The government has just announced their intention to build a massive lithium battery factory, at Bridgewater in Somerset. Meanwhile, all we hear is terrible stories of negativity about EV vehicles, and what a catastrophy awaits us.
Saves them from building good public transport at least!
So battery operated vehicles make things worse. Got it.
As long as it's not "in my backyard" a blind eye is the only thing to be received from the countries that benefit.
My question...... what happens when these mines start drying up? The cost of batteries worldwide would rocket up as the supply dwindles
Costs will certainly go up much sooner, as the mines are reaching max capacity. No big deal. Sooner or later this EV fad will subside and good old diesel will rise again. The car owner will pay for everything.
in fact when supply dwindles the cost will drop because no one would invest on it and move to the next thing
@@jmi5969exactly. Biggest fad in history
What happens to ICE vehicles once oil begins drying up? At least it is possible to recycled older EV batteries. They can be 95% recycled, with the lithium and cobalt being 90% recovered and reused in new batteries. Is anyone recycling and reusing old burned gas/petrol or diesel?
@@Brian-om2hh drying up 😂 Don't believe the lies sheep. Car oil is recycled... So is car parts. You are obviously uneducated AF like most EV fans, batteries can't be recycled forever, they break down. Your arguments are totally flawed. You do realise electricity to charge EV's is created by burning coal 🙄
Hope these Eco friendly groups watch this. And stop forcing electric cars.
The only reason its a problem its because its RUSSIAN AND CHINESE companies if it was some western company then you wouldnt know about it.
HAHAHAHA BHP and BP would like to have a chat with you.... I worked in mining in Western companies, are they better? Probably but there are plenty of major mining companies that have had environmental disasters that are huge in scope taking human lives and destroying eco systems.
I just love the way we kid ourselves thinking we are doing the right thing by going green!..What a load of BS, the whole thing is about profits, nothing more.
Mammon
Damn waste of water and I can barly water my grass
I stay with my corolla
Oh what a feeling
like the US is not doing this 😂😂😂 climate change might be real but its politics to them they dont care
imagine being so brainwashed you believe climate change is driven by human activity
"So Bolivia will become an energy superpower like Saudi Arabia?"
"Err no"
We dont need this as we dont need electric cars! We have cars that will run on water..
As usual, across the world from the big cities to the harsh desserts of any country, where big money is to be made and, people are driven by greed , the well being of the poor and disenfranchised get ignored.
I'm so glad this has come out. Fresh water though it's renewable. This amount of freshwater will go into the saltwater portion of the cycle
Collect Rain water. Don't worry about the local water rule... it is safe, sorta. ;)
Freshwater isn't that renewable. Especially if they are pumping out groundwater which can take thousands of years to replenish. We are getting less rain and snow every year, snow melt is converting to water vapor directly instead of turning to snow melt that adds to water tables for rivers and lakes,. There is not enough fresh water to go around in many locations on Earth. Look at the news, see all the places experiencing record high temperatures and droughts.
@@GeorgeMonet Fcuking is in England we've had a whole July of it.
This is nothing in comparison to the scale of environmental damage from oil and gas extractions.
Water can be drawn from desalination plants powered by renewables.
This is only part. Hunter Briben and the Chinese are in a partnership to use child labor to clear cut and strip mine the Congo for Cobalt. It's a disaster worse than Chernobyl.
It’s not nothing. For example There are plans in my state to build an open pit lithium mine in Gaston County. This mine would destroy mountain forest and farmland and probably pollute clean creeks
You have no idea what energy even is is all I'm hearing
Unfortunately wherever & whenever USA - China or Russia gets involved in mining the end result is always catastrophic for the local population ! 😢😢
No one seems to put that together because these countries do an amazing job at distracting its populations, covering up the lie with propaganda, and just the fact that, especially in America, there is a huge concentration of sheeple that will believe anything and everything.
That could be said for any country doing mining.
Usa does it best, nobody left alive to suffer 😂
😂😂😂😂😂 Дак не езди на авто, не летай самолетами, не ешь продкты так как в 99% случаях они перевозятся траками с дизелным двигателем🙄
Any country mining. No reason to pretend that the US, China or Russia are magically worse.
The sophistication of the discussion on this video is low, even for youtube. Not all that surprising considering that the video doesn't provide any answers to it's title.
Why do you start with russian and chinese companys? European and american companies are acting there for years...
Now contrast it with the environmental and human impact of oil.
This is happening at the Salton Sea here in California. They are building a factory here soon.
As is industries care about the environment or local people...never happens. They care about profit before everything.
The new Apple Mother nature advert 😂
Are some salt pools in the middle of the desert really a big deal?
All in the name of clean energy and the environment.
I don't see Greta or Just Stop Oil protesters rallying against this, how come?
Гретта играет свою роль, как актер Зеленский играет роль президента😂😂😂
Looking at how poor in water reserves are these countries and still mining lithium. In Serbia a company was planning to mine lithium but my people protested and it didn't go thru even tho we have lots of water.
yeah I bet that American Lithium companies do it very differently in Nevada, isn't that right Business Insider/Axel Springer SE?
I bet they have much to learn from them, let's see it, I'd love to see a complete report of Lithium extraction, the American way, done by Business Insider and their boss, Axel Springer SE. Wouldn't that be interesting too, Dr. Mathias Döpfner?
Lithium mining in Nevada is hard rock mining not brine extraction.
There are brines in places like the shrinking Salton Sea.
I'm really curious what the point you're trying to make is. That work standards in wealthier countries are higher? That companies have gotten *really* good at screwing over Central/South American countries?
All the worship of money the greed and selfishness is going to rub out humanity
And now compare this with the unimaginable damage the oil industry does, and check how many tons of oil a single EV battery saved.... the environmental discussion is ridiculous, nothing does more damage then ICE cars powered by diesel or gasoline.
Every EV on the road saves tons and tons and tons of oil, the battery can be recycled, wasted and burned oil cannot.
@KevTech1 the gasoline you burned into gassed are not being recycled and are contributing to global warming and climate change.
If companies are building plants planning for next 5 or 6 decades, they have already done their homework. What they need to do is build water pipelines to nearby habitable areas and provide that free of charge. In fact that must be in their government contracts.
Probably too late, but yes.
Well you're just dreaming if you think human beings are going to live that long.
@@boblatkey7160 Dream I must because the alternative is oblivion
We’re heading there buddy, and others have already made that decision for us a long time ago
it should be a problem if it is a short term (relatively). But, if the mine lasts that long, they could just make solar plants there to desalinate seawater/repurpose used water., they can use the fact that there's virtually no rain clouds all the time. when everything is done, those solar plants can be used by the locals to power their towns.
Now they trying to do same thing in my country. Company is called Rio Tinto. But people will not allow them to do it, even if it costs as our lives.
Meanwhile many EV owners smugly think they aren't polluting or damaging the environment...
You can make a dramatic story with just about anything farmed at an industry level. Just as there is a massive amount of stories about oil and the harm it has done, of course led to the need for more lithium. There is no getting away from the need for the things that power our world. Could we care more and capitalize less, sure, but good luck making that happen.
Yes, but no. The problem isn't that mining lithium affects the environment, it's that EVs are advertised as "green" when it's actually not. Extracting the resources needed to make EVs is just as harmful to the environment as extracting oil. It's not environmentally friendly, but few people seem to take notice.
@@danielcreatd872 Agree, but that don't excuse doing damage because it's less then oil. Or any other industry that's primary purpose is to power our world. To make things worse we still need all those other industries including oil. All EVs have done is add more demand and create a new problem. If we got rid of oil I would be all for it as we chose the lesser of two evils, but that's not the case.
@@John-cp6uc Most life cycle analysis show that EVs are more environmentally friendly than internal combustion engines, even accounting for the harm done in manufacturing. The environmental damage done by lithium or cobalt mining is local and won’t affect the rest of the world, while the same cannot be said for carbon dioxide emissions.
@@John-cp6uc I never said they were completely harmless. I simply said they result in less carbon emissions overall. A single fossil fuel powered vehicle digging lithium can replace thousands of other fossil fuel vehicles with its output. And as I said before, the damage of mining is mostly local.
@@blerst7066 It isn’t completely harmless, but it is much less harmful. The damage done by lithium or cobalt mining is limited to the local area, unlike carbon dioxide emissions.
The hypocrisy is amazing
Looks like cost saving to me, especially if the only people getting poisoned are some dirty goat herders in the middle of nowhere.
Well, this report is not bad. Although I would scare the lithium industry a little bit. I would have included the new findings in battery scientific research that proposed alternatives to lithium.
Sodium-ion batteries also swerve sharply from lithium-ion chemistries common today. These batteries have a design similar to that of lithium-ion batteries, including a liquid electrolyte, but instead of relying on lithium, they use sodium as the main chemical ingredient.
That means all that brine would have to be filtered, or get its water evaporated and still bring a little income to those South American countries. However, much less than lithium. But may not need sweet water in the process.
Sodium ion batteries are on the horizon and slated to launch late this year. Assuming it does do what it promises to do then the need for Lithium should lower.
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They are so so far away from being a thing bud.. respectfully intended but I guarantee you that this is not something you will see in the next 10 years
@MrDmadness If I remember right the Chinese are having a difficult time making there's run at all. Seen several videos of their EVs catching fire more so than people say Teslas do
Which will require the same mining and create the same pollution
@@Leo-gt1bxI’m not sure mining salt needs to create any pollution. We already produce a lot of salt for our food systems. There are many established salt flats, it’s just a case of evaporating sea water
I mean it sounds like we just need to pressure them/hold them to switching to sea water. We also need to insure these countries actually benefit to the fullest off these plants.
the desalination plants in chile’s atacama use massive amounts of energy, nearly all of which is fossil fuel generated. also the desalination leeches chemicals into the sea, causing high levels of cancer and other disease and kills the marine ecosystems. every solution has a drawback, but instead of opting for the most sustainable and least destructive, mining companies and government (often one and the same) just choose the most profitable option in the short term.
Without the Andes blocking the rain, those lithium deposits might've just washed away into the sea ages ago. Yet, if it only rained there, they wouldn't be facing a fresh water crisis.. but the trade off is there wouldn't be any lithium to mined.
Thank you for bringing awareness. Hopefully they consider the situation of the indigenous people.
Green energy is not green.
The amount of power it would take too run all electric vehicles is mind bending. People are being denied permits all over commercially for power stations as reports show some of these use more power than the whole town…
Cite one actual case. Your deluded or lying. Which is it. It costs 4 dollars to charge a car. Without profit.
@@Jhossackyou are one inept muppet.. you're the deluded one here champ if you think the current electrical grid can handle everyone owning an EV.. Most hot countries can't even handle a summer providing aircon usage in homes..
The amount of power it takes to run the oil industry is also mind bending. Huge amounts of electricity are required just to pump crude oil out of the ground, before it even reaches a refinery..... and once it does reach a refinery, around 6kw of electricity is used to produce each gallon of gas/petrol or diesel. Then 25% of *all* the diesel produced is used to transport the rest of it to where it is stored or sold. Madness....
@@Brian-om2hh And funny enough, if you switched to electric power right now entirely.. it would be worse for a LONG time, battery charge capacity, and efficiency is not there yet for many applications. We re getting closer though.
@@Brian-om2hh Madness indeed... but that applies to both of these options. One has already raped the planet and caused possibly irreversible harm and the other is currently in the process of doing the same, a battery is just an energy storage device and electricity generation is not clean enough yet. EV's will not save the planet and there manufacture is causing considerable harm. I have no preference or answers but would question major government green policies that are pushing this short term stuff due to economics.
Heartbreaking to see the plight of that little girl... local communities that have been poor since generations could be given Govt jobs elsewhere & assisted out of the poverty that they currently live within...
Soon the entire earth will be destroyed.
We have got to come up with a better way!
Why is Russia allowed doing business altogether? What the heck?
If people still drove their old gas powered vehicles every day for the rest of their lives, they would put out less pollution than companies that manufacture lithium 🔋
Nevermind petrol, go diesel
What an dumb statement, completely missing the context Firstly, lithium isn't only used for car batteries. Secondly, what "people"? Only those who had a car 20 years ago? There will be many more EVs than gas powered vehicles at some point because more and more people can afford a car (on a global scale).
Would it be better, if all the people in China who started to be able to afford cars in the last decade would choose a gas powered car?
The actual problem is people are fat and lazy, they drive too much for unnecessary things, and many countries have incompetent governments that are lacking decades behind in public transport (USA).
Amazing that humanity will not let go of their cars and modernity, even when it means mass extinction, even of themselves.
yes return to monkey
You are right. What’s crazier is that it’s a minority group of people who call the shots for the entire world. All they care about is wealth, power and control. It’s too late though. The ultimate destruction is in full swing.
Make do and mend option works better. People get hooked into these must buy a new car, phone or piece of tech on finance packages and replace them every three years rather than keep for longer periods and mend them. Usually its known as keeping up with the neighbours. I personally prefer if items are repaired and not thrown away.
Also manufacturers are to blame as they make the majority of their products disposable now with cheap buying costs, no product parts backup or they make them difficult to repair.
Some of us car and vehicle enthusiasts actually see the keep a older vehicle running a better option for the planet than buying new as you reduce the emissions of building and shipping new vehicles around the world.
@@carnage237or use trains like Europeans and Japanese
I just hope that I am alive to watch the demise of all humans from the planet. Including myself, it will be a great day indeed. We deserve it!
You sound like an edgy 15 year old.
Is the actual goal of reducing climate impact really to save the planet? Or is to save the economy?
We seem to be figuring out great ways to make money while doubling down on destroying the planet.
How can these lithium companies keep the people WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTRIES in the dark about their processes and agreements and sit by when they are dying of thirst?
So in Chile we pump underground potable water into these evaporation pools to create brine, while in Saudi Arabia they don't know what to do with too much brine from desalination plants and pump brine back into the ocean?!
I also recently learned that where I live, the sewage treatment system treats and purifies a volume that represents about half of what our biggest irrigation dam uses. But all the treated water from the plant is just dumped into the ocean instead of being reused for irrigation.
Oh this humanity!!!
Well that brine doesn't have any lithium in it! 😂
there are reasons for what you mention
Because poisoning the land and people with water containing toxic chemicals is a great idea amiright?
Calling something a brine doesn't mean it is all the same. Brine in this instance means it has a mineral salt but that salt isn't necessarily NaCl nor is necessarily a lithium salt. And the brine pumped into the ocean by plants in Saudi Arabia is very highly concentrated saltwater where they have already removed a large volume of fresh water from that brine. Well large as in 10%ish by volume. The remaining brine is a useless poison due to the extremely high concentation of NaCl.