*The beginning will be chaos, then people will realize working together is far more effecient.* *Alliances will form, and all Node sieges moving forward will be decided before the battle begins.* *The Alliance will ensure that there is a connected lv.6 Scientific Node on each continent at all times.*
lineage 2 open world pvp and flag system was amazing, i hate the whole pvp zone/arena/faction/toogle mode, etc on the new mmos. hope AOC have a reminiscense of that l2 golden era
I really hope the pvp is good and people are willing to fight, I understand pve'rs usually hate pvp but I find its only because they arent good enough to enjoy it yet because they avoid it, once they start getting into it they see the fun side of it and continue to do it.
Great video mate! Keen for hundreds vs hundreds battles! I seriously doubt thousands though, I don’t think we’re quite there technically speaking. & unfortunately most gamers are still using late 1000 series & very early 3000 series graphics cards, and game devs HAVE to take this into account when making a game, if the majority of people can’t play it, they make no money!
500 vs 500 siege is their goal. But some of the other large scale fights aren't instanced and the server has no sharding. Whoever shows up shows up haha. We shall see
The real nightmare that nobody is talking about will 100% be the playerbase. I was an ArcheAge player just like the creator of Ashes; the degens that will be playing this game are worse than anything that's ever come out of EVE. People have no idea how bad life is going to be for them. Be careful and do not let the game suck you in too deep.
Every MMO have a percentage of toxic degenerates, it’s unavoidable in the genre, you can still have enormous amounts of fun regardless, and as you say Steven sheriff is an EX archage player so not surprising their are game systems in place - that will be consistently tuned - to try lessen the affects and participation of “toxic” degens
you can start an anti-grief node police guild haha when you notice a griefer or something, you make his or their life hell until they leave to another node. Now if most big nodes do that, they will either behave or quit the game
I sure am curious to see how it will feel for the players who aren’t part of a massive guild. Hopefully there will be a solid LFG system to join groups for open world PvP content!
@@Roarrior well general consideration for all people. And yes, we’ve got a group of buddies but being a late night player the solo life in MMOs is pretty common.
everyone kinda appart of a large alliance to a degree with node citizenship since your promoted to work together to progress a node or defend it with a war so players kinda have 2 guilds one being their normal guild and the other being the players citizened to the same node as you choose
I like to PVE with the looming danger of PVP. A part of what makes or breaks an MMO to me is this element. Seem-less PVP, I am not the type of player to go looking for PVP, I like to solo farm in MMO’s & build my wealth. I mostly avoid conflict but I do enjoy when people try to murder & rob me, it’s exhilarating & immersive.
When I saw that dragon in this clip I thought that it would be super cool if it's an extremely rare mount that has an attack that deals huge aoe damage, has like 1hr or longer cooldown and can be used in PvP. So when you see it on the battleground you are like, oh shit they have a dragon, BUT some healing classes can have a barrier spell that can nullify part of this damage and your team needs to hide under it against the dragon. Would be so dope :D
Those flying mounts with those abilities are in fact super rare. The devs have said only 10-15 will be on a server at any given time. Normal players probably wont ever have one.
Let's hope Ashes' design can make PvP a massive unifier instead of the afterthought time waster of MMOs of the past. And that Naval Combat doesn't suck.
While the worthwhile incentive to PVP is great for keeping it alive and active, I still wonder how they are going to de-incentivize roaming zergs, cause as it stands it seems really easy to designate a sacrifical lamb for corruption while the rest of the zerg gets away corruption-free, AND at the same time even if everyone gets corrupted, numbers will still overpower their victims.
I dont know how I feel about raids and dungeons being locked behind a nodes progression. What if theyre so good they never get knocked out of power. On one hand, thats awesome for them. On the other hand, I never get to experience that dungeon and raid or the other story arcs. Im not sure they should be tied to the power of who controls the node. On paper it sounds amazing, that community is creating their own story. It just feels very limiting on what you can do for dungeons/raids. Unless they revamp it to be changed per week. Like the story arcs change every week to unlock new PVE content as a community. I think thats a fair compromise. I dont mind anything else about the node system, so far. I just dont plan on being part of a massive guild, but things can change.
@@BundyBro_ you can still access the dungeons and raids and stories of nodes controlled by other. Just any progress made will go TO that node. Your experience/resource/item gain will still stay with you. However, if we get sick of that dungeon and want to spawn another elsewhere we must destroy that node. And if they are good defenders it may not always be possible 🤣
@@BundyBro_ you can still access the dungeons and raids and stories of nodes controlled by other. Just any progress made will go TO that node. Your experience/resource/item gain will still stay with you. However, if we get sick of that dungeon and want to spawn another elsewhere we must destroy that node. And if they are good defenders it may not always be possible 🤣
@@Magnman I was in those early tests when it was still full loot pvp. I was also there when the higher players were ganking lowbies and taking all their gear 🤣. Everything changed that day.
bro, ive been heard this over and over again telling people ashes of creation doing something nobody never do or making a breakthough but in the end the game is not even here for people to tell is it good or trash its just like how league content creator make "how riot mmo gonna change mmo landscape all over again"
I've never said they are doing things that no one else has done. They aren't trying to reinvent the wheel. What they are doing is taking the systems that were popular in other MMOs and tuning them to work in their game. And while you may not be excited for the game. Many are, and that's who we make these videos for. We are providing the information for any who may want to learn what the game is about.
literally all features you mentioned are already in a bunch of mmos, i dont think they are creating something new, just improving those features that already exist.
It's in the title man. I never said they are doing something new. I said they are rebuilding what already exists. Many MMOs have pvp. Wow, FFXIV, ESO, new world. But it's all BGs and pointless open world pvp. Then you have more niche MMOs like MO2 and eve. Or the older MMOs like L2 or AA that had more hardcore pvp systems. Those MMOs died. Ashes is taking a little bit of everything and weaving it all together to create a PvPvE experience we haven't had in a long time.
@@Roarrior yeah i get it dont need more examples of that, the thing is that you are talking like the game has already revolutionized the PVP in mmos when it has not yet been possible to play a beta and it has not been proven that all the mentioned features work well enough to be something revolutionary. You can find already mmos with similiar features that are good and they there are. It just pisses me the smoke selling about the title.
@@AlexikoGS smoke selling saying pvp reborn? Name the title of the game that exists today (not a private server) with these systems. Always on pvp with a karma system, nothing comes to mind. Entire player run cities that can be sieged and looted by other players. Imagine orgrimmar or storm wind being completely wiped off the map. Nothing does this currently. Invading enemy territory to claim their property as your own, nope. An entire open sea naval pvp experience. Sea of thieves does this, not an MMO. Sure it's not out yet but they are working hard to achieve it and soon we will be testing it. If it all fails then nothing really changes does it. Just toss it in the pile of every other failed game out there 🤣
@@Roarrior albion online is an example, not with the cities but mostly what u said. Also, where did they show a full naval pvp? if i have missed it show me. What im saying is that the only way we can see if a pvp is good or not is when its when the game does exists cause you have a real player base that make all the features work together. We have only seen playtests with controled enviroments, not real pvp. The features they are showing are awesome dont get me wrong, but bro we cant say this is already the rebirth of pvp just with dev videos. you get me?
@@AlexikoGS by that logic you are correct. If nothing exists or is true and real until we get our hands on it then none of this really matters. But from the way they explain how it's all going to function if unlike anything we have currently. Even Albion isn't quite there. Albion has complete areas where pvp can't happen. Ashes doesn't.
Lineage 2 did PvP right. Steven is giant L2 fanboy. This game cannot fail PvP wise. It can only fail by not being ever finished or technically not work. And also a note, most people will do just fine by engaging in PvP relatively rarely in this game. This system SOUNDS like its constant PvP all day all the time outside safe havens (towns), but it really isn't. The incentives to not go Corrupt are too high usually. Though surely node system will crank it up a little bit for more peaceful guilds.
Losing items when dying in PvP? That's a bit harsh. Losing stats when succeeding in PvP? That's just nonsense. If they are going down this road they must add zones or random events in random places where these rules don't apply. I don't want AoC to fail like BDO, where the devs restricted open world PvP so much for the benefit of average players (who are "PvE only" players) that basically open world PvP became non existent, thousands of players were left cheated as the game started out as a PvP heavy game. Back to Ashes, I also feel like this game was initially marketed as a mainly PvP game with the sieges and changing world, so I don't feel so good about these news. I would rather see a bounty hunter system where players can sign up to hunt down outlaw players who killed someone in open world PvP.
@@richardmiklos I can see how this could be misunderstood. I really didn't go into detail in this video about how it all works. My th-cam.com/video/nMi-cwQJUps/w-d-xo.html video explains it in much greater detail. Basically if you die you'll always drop some crafting resources (if you have any on you). But the corruption system is what punishes you. If you gank someone who is far under your level and kill them. Key word here is kill. You'll gain corruption which is a staking debuff. The more corruption you gain the weaker in pvp you'll become. If you kill someone who does not fight back you gain corruption. If you attack someone and they fight back (consensual pvp) and you kill them. Nothing happens GG. But while you are corrupted you can only work it off by dying or killing mobs that grant xp. But while corrupted you can be hunted by the players using the bounty hunter system. And depending on HOW corrupted you are, meaning how much of a griefer you've been, you can possibly drop some of your equipped gear on death. This isn't always a thing. You have to be very corrupted. Hope this clears it up. It's a system meant to dissuade nonsensical pvp.
wow this video is just a big but a hopeful nothing burger for Ashes of Creation. nice editing but ummm what really is the point of this video? im glad you have passion for this game though! people should support online games being released. more games = more avenues for people to meet :D
@@gaddamitambit4481 it's to spread it around and give more people knowledge of the game. If you're already following the game this does nothing for you really. But I appreciate you watching!
The absolute best pvp is 3v3 on a small map, and 15vs15 on a large map with 4 objective. 15v15 scatters the players to objectives enough for personal responsibility, and the possibility of a kill making a difference, the tighter the better. Even 5v5 in a small Arena quickly turns into a chaotic slopfest where a bad player can hide behind good players. Alterac Valley we all understand is for gearing and leveling, but never ever did someone say the pvp there is enjoyable, never would anyone display or waste their time making an AV tournament...In fact when the PVE path in AV is not taken and people are forced to fight in huge aoe worthless wastes of time, the chat gets toxic fast. There is nowhere in AV where my individual skill level will win the game, AV is not really PVP, it is a PVE activity that has PVP in it. That is what developers must avoid at all costs if the game is ever going to be taken seriously, or considered a quality pvp game. That EXACT factor will also decide whether players stay, it does not take a rocket scientist to realize the most successful PVP of all time in MMO's is 100% about small skirmishes that matter. Warhammer tried so hard and fell so flat on its face with their huge PVP that it still hurts to think about. Praying for Ashes, hoping the developers are VERY much designing the game knowing there is a HUGE skill gap in the playerbase, and that is where the focus has to be. I can log into my geared Frost mage right now and literally go through players in BG's like a knife through butter, that has to exist just as well in Ashes.
th-cam.com/video/0CzOr6rf_Ck/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xNATn3d1SidkRrd_&t=214 ok here is where i stopped listening, and definetely not gonna play it i am true pvp player, and I have to be punished for playing pvp? what kind of game is this... sure in tibia there is also penalty system, if you die when "corrupted" (or just skulled in tibia), then you can lost items, sure... but not plenty of other debuffs and staff. i was hearing about here that only made me start wondering, whats even the whole point of having pvp in ashes of creation if I have to wait all day long to someone atk me first ... jesus
If you attack someone. And they attack back. That consensual pvp. No penalty, GG. If you attack someone much lower lvl then you. If you attack someone afk. If you attack someone who does not lift a finger to fight back and you still kill them, you go corrupted. If that's the type of pvper you are then we don't want you. Griefing for the sake of griefing is what's not tolerated with this system. Check this video for a complete corruption breakdown. th-cam.com/video/nMi-cwQJUps/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PfLKMUzSDWgk6IBr
If you're a PvEr, how do you feel about a game like this being built around these systems? If you hear a MMO has PvP are you still willing to try it?
they'll juste zerg like in every other game.
@@pogo6543211111111 That's ok. We zerg right back!
I don't mind, as long as I don't lose too much when I die :p
@@The69Oskar69 Unless you're very corrupted you'll only lose a bit of crafting resources 🙂
Honestly this might be my first ever shot at having a go with a PVP MMO
Closest one I had fun with was the Warhammer MMO
Basically linage 2 pvp system was the most fair. If you attack and attacked back, youre good. If you kill jsit because you gonna be hunted
Same system here. The creator was a huge L2 and AA fan. You'll see lots of similar systems with some innovations
*The beginning will be chaos, then people will realize working together is far more effecient.*
*Alliances will form, and all Node sieges moving forward will be decided before the battle begins.*
*The Alliance will ensure that there is a connected lv.6 Scientific Node on each continent at all times.*
lineage 2 open world pvp and flag system was amazing, i hate the whole pvp zone/arena/faction/toogle mode, etc on the new mmos. hope AOC have a reminiscense of that l2 golden era
@@bigdj0ntz8 it's literally modeled after it as L2 was one of the creators favs 😉
I really hope the pvp is good and people are willing to fight, I understand pve'rs usually hate pvp but I find its only because they arent good enough to enjoy it yet because they avoid it, once they start getting into it they see the fun side of it and continue to do it.
@@Jeebizz101 we must teach them the way!
Once pvers figure out that bots are lower on the totem pole , and they can bully the heck out of bots , they will become pvpers
Great video mate!
Keen for hundreds vs hundreds battles! I seriously doubt thousands though, I don’t think we’re quite there technically speaking.
& unfortunately most gamers are still using late 1000 series & very early 3000 series graphics cards, and game devs HAVE to take this into account when making a game, if the majority of people can’t play it,
they make no money!
500 vs 500 siege is their goal. But some of the other large scale fights aren't instanced and the server has no sharding. Whoever shows up shows up haha. We shall see
A corruption development update from Intrepid would be dope. It'd put a lot of anxieties to rest.
I'm not sure if it would put them to rest 🤣. But we surely need an update on this.
I hope they don’t make the debuff system on stats for random ganks not being able to go to towns and getting hunter is very hard to deal with
The real nightmare that nobody is talking about will 100% be the playerbase. I was an ArcheAge player just like the creator of Ashes; the degens that will be playing this game are worse than anything that's ever come out of EVE. People have no idea how bad life is going to be for them. Be careful and do not let the game suck you in too deep.
Every MMO have a percentage of toxic degenerates, it’s unavoidable in the genre, you can still have enormous amounts of fun regardless, and as you say Steven sheriff is an EX archage player so not surprising their are game systems in place - that will be consistently tuned - to try lessen the affects and participation of “toxic” degens
Archeage was amazing but it was one of the most toxic payerbases ever
It's just what gaming is anymore.
you can start an anti-grief node police guild haha when you notice a griefer or something, you make his or their life hell until they leave to another node. Now if most big nodes do that, they will either behave or quit the game
I sure am curious to see how it will feel for the players who aren’t part of a massive guild. Hopefully there will be a solid LFG system to join groups for open world PvP content!
You make it sound as though you wont have a group of friends who would be there to play with you!
@@Roarrior well general consideration for all people. And yes, we’ve got a group of buddies but being a late night player the solo life in MMOs is pretty common.
everyone kinda appart of a large alliance to a degree with node citizenship since your promoted to work together to progress a node or defend it with a war so players kinda have 2 guilds one being their normal guild and the other being the players citizened to the same node as you choose
It’s brilliant. Hope it works.
@@flightsimulatoradventures7246 a hope we all share. Thanks for watching!
Great video!
I can’t wait for the Genesis Guild to destroy my node.
We will find you....
Beautiful and eloquent as always!
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I like to PVE with the looming danger of PVP. A part of what makes or breaks an MMO to me is this element. Seem-less PVP, I am not the type of player to go looking for PVP, I like to solo farm in MMO’s & build my wealth. I mostly avoid conflict but I do enjoy when people try to murder & rob me, it’s exhilarating & immersive.
I think this is exactly the type of setting Ashes will put us in. Cant wait!
When I saw that dragon in this clip I thought that it would be super cool if it's an extremely rare mount that has an attack that deals huge aoe damage, has like 1hr or longer cooldown and can be used in PvP. So when you see it on the battleground you are like, oh shit they have a dragon, BUT some healing classes can have a barrier spell that can nullify part of this damage and your team needs to hide under it against the dragon. Would be so dope :D
Those flying mounts with those abilities are in fact super rare. The devs have said only 10-15 will be on a server at any given time. Normal players probably wont ever have one.
@@Roarrior Hope they are actually strong and some guild masters etc will have them to lead the battle.
@@The69Oskar69that's exactly what they are for. Guilds that owns castles and mayors of nodes will have mounts.
@@Roarrior fuck yeah.
Let's hope Ashes' design can make PvP a massive unifier instead of the afterthought time waster of MMOs of the past. And that Naval Combat doesn't suck.
Good to see you bud! And I'm with you on that. Also they better nail Naval 🤣
They need to take a page from Dark Age of Camelot and make PvP a high focus of their game.
@@daniel-ym9unthey already have
While the worthwhile incentive to PVP is great for keeping it alive and active, I still wonder how they are going to de-incentivize roaming zergs, cause as it stands it seems really easy to designate a sacrifical lamb for corruption while the rest of the zerg gets away corruption-free, AND at the same time even if everyone gets corrupted, numbers will still overpower their victims.
This is what testing is for. We already have plans to test every loophole we can find for the corruption system. But zergs, you cannot stop.
EVE + WOW😊
I dont know how I feel about raids and dungeons being locked behind a nodes progression. What if theyre so good they never get knocked out of power. On one hand, thats awesome for them. On the other hand, I never get to experience that dungeon and raid or the other story arcs. Im not sure they should be tied to the power of who controls the node. On paper it sounds amazing, that community is creating their own story. It just feels very limiting on what you can do for dungeons/raids. Unless they revamp it to be changed per week. Like the story arcs change every week to unlock new PVE content as a community. I think thats a fair compromise. I dont mind anything else about the node system, so far. I just dont plan on being part of a massive guild, but things can change.
@@BundyBro_ you can still access the dungeons and raids and stories of nodes controlled by other. Just any progress made will go TO that node. Your experience/resource/item gain will still stay with you. However, if we get sick of that dungeon and want to spawn another elsewhere we must destroy that node. And if they are good defenders it may not always be possible 🤣
@@BundyBro_ you can still access the dungeons and raids and stories of nodes controlled by other. Just any progress made will go TO that node. Your experience/resource/item gain will still stay with you. However, if we get sick of that dungeon and want to spawn another elsewhere we must destroy that node. And if they are good defenders it may not always be possible 🤣
Fantastic quality and editing. HOW DO YOU ONLY HAVE 1k SUBS? Subscribed and sharing your content. Love the vid.
@@Nagoto1992 Hey that really means a lot. Thank you. ❤️❤️! I'm growing. Slow and steady!
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Is there 1vx possible to become a pvp god?
@@llpoeoepll remains to be seen. But Ashes is going to have a large action combat component so skill is going to play a big part. So it's possible
Yes but open world random pvp encounters will always be exciting shout out to albion online
I just hope PVErs dont destroy this like they did with New World.
@@Magnman well new world had a pvp flag they could turn off and be safe. Ashes does not 🤣
I meaned the original idea for new world, wich was closer to an albion online 3D. I loved that alpha.
@@Magnman I was in those early tests when it was still full loot pvp. I was also there when the higher players were ganking lowbies and taking all their gear 🤣. Everything changed that day.
TL already beat you to this
bro, ive been heard this over and over again telling people ashes of creation doing something nobody never do or making a breakthough but in the end the game is not even here for people to tell is it good or trash
its just like how league content creator make "how riot mmo gonna change mmo landscape all over again"
I've never said they are doing things that no one else has done. They aren't trying to reinvent the wheel. What they are doing is taking the systems that were popular in other MMOs and tuning them to work in their game. And while you may not be excited for the game. Many are, and that's who we make these videos for. We are providing the information for any who may want to learn what the game is about.
literally all features you mentioned are already in a bunch of mmos, i dont think they are creating something new, just improving those features that already exist.
It's in the title man. I never said they are doing something new. I said they are rebuilding what already exists. Many MMOs have pvp. Wow, FFXIV, ESO, new world. But it's all BGs and pointless open world pvp. Then you have more niche MMOs like MO2 and eve. Or the older MMOs like L2 or AA that had more hardcore pvp systems. Those MMOs died. Ashes is taking a little bit of everything and weaving it all together to create a PvPvE experience we haven't had in a long time.
@@Roarrior yeah i get it dont need more examples of that, the thing is that you are talking like the game has already revolutionized the PVP in mmos when it has not yet been possible to play a beta and it has not been proven that all the mentioned features work well enough to be something revolutionary. You can find already mmos with similiar features that are good and they there are. It just pisses me the smoke selling about the title.
@@AlexikoGS smoke selling saying pvp reborn? Name the title of the game that exists today (not a private server) with these systems. Always on pvp with a karma system, nothing comes to mind. Entire player run cities that can be sieged and looted by other players. Imagine orgrimmar or storm wind being completely wiped off the map. Nothing does this currently. Invading enemy territory to claim their property as your own, nope. An entire open sea naval pvp experience. Sea of thieves does this, not an MMO. Sure it's not out yet but they are working hard to achieve it and soon we will be testing it. If it all fails then nothing really changes does it. Just toss it in the pile of every other failed game out there 🤣
@@Roarrior albion online is an example, not with the cities but mostly what u said. Also, where did they show a full naval pvp? if i have missed it show me. What im saying is that the only way we can see if a pvp is good or not is when its when the game does exists cause you have a real player base that make all the features work together. We have only seen playtests with controled enviroments, not real pvp. The features they are showing are awesome dont get me wrong, but bro we cant say this is already the rebirth of pvp just with dev videos. you get me?
@@AlexikoGS by that logic you are correct. If nothing exists or is true and real until we get our hands on it then none of this really matters. But from the way they explain how it's all going to function if unlike anything we have currently. Even Albion isn't quite there. Albion has complete areas where pvp can't happen. Ashes doesn't.
MMorpg PvP focus = 100% fail
AOC is PvP focus in an Open world : 200% fail
@@CestPasFaux-kt9zq could be
By the time this game releases you will be facing against teens who grew up watching skibidi toilet
@@holymann2251 🤣🤣🤣
Lineage 2 did PvP right.
Steven is giant L2 fanboy.
This game cannot fail PvP wise.
It can only fail by not being ever finished or technically not work.
And also a note, most people will do just fine by engaging in PvP relatively rarely in this game. This system SOUNDS like its constant PvP all day all the time outside safe havens (towns), but it really isn't. The incentives to not go Corrupt are too high usually.
Though surely node system will crank it up a little bit for more peaceful guilds.
Losing items when dying in PvP? That's a bit harsh. Losing stats when succeeding in PvP? That's just nonsense. If they are going down this road they must add zones or random events in random places where these rules don't apply.
I don't want AoC to fail like BDO, where the devs restricted open world PvP so much for the benefit of average players (who are "PvE only" players) that basically open world PvP became non existent, thousands of players were left cheated as the game started out as a PvP heavy game. Back to Ashes, I also feel like this game was initially marketed as a mainly PvP game with the sieges and changing world, so I don't feel so good about these news.
I would rather see a bounty hunter system where players can sign up to hunt down outlaw players who killed someone in open world PvP.
@@richardmiklos I can see how this could be misunderstood. I really didn't go into detail in this video about how it all works. My th-cam.com/video/nMi-cwQJUps/w-d-xo.html video explains it in much greater detail. Basically if you die you'll always drop some crafting resources (if you have any on you). But the corruption system is what punishes you. If you gank someone who is far under your level and kill them. Key word here is kill. You'll gain corruption which is a staking debuff. The more corruption you gain the weaker in pvp you'll become. If you kill someone who does not fight back you gain corruption. If you attack someone and they fight back (consensual pvp) and you kill them. Nothing happens GG. But while you are corrupted you can only work it off by dying or killing mobs that grant xp. But while corrupted you can be hunted by the players using the bounty hunter system. And depending on HOW corrupted you are, meaning how much of a griefer you've been, you can possibly drop some of your equipped gear on death. This isn't always a thing. You have to be very corrupted. Hope this clears it up. It's a system meant to dissuade nonsensical pvp.
wow this video is just a big but a hopeful nothing burger for Ashes of Creation. nice editing but ummm what really is the point of this video? im glad you have passion for this game though! people should support online games being released. more games = more avenues for people to meet :D
@@gaddamitambit4481 it's to spread it around and give more people knowledge of the game. If you're already following the game this does nothing for you really. But I appreciate you watching!
2nd woot
Think you were first! ❤
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@@RitchieSH 🤣
What about this is innovative? This is just taking 2 steps back to what mmo pvp was before last gen mmos
The absolute best pvp is 3v3 on a small map, and 15vs15 on a large map with 4 objective. 15v15 scatters the players to objectives enough for personal responsibility, and the possibility of a kill making a difference, the tighter the better. Even 5v5 in a small Arena quickly turns into a chaotic slopfest where a bad player can hide behind good players. Alterac Valley we all understand is for gearing and leveling, but never ever did someone say the pvp there is enjoyable, never would anyone display or waste their time making an AV tournament...In fact when the PVE path in AV is not taken and people are forced to fight in huge aoe worthless wastes of time, the chat gets toxic fast. There is nowhere in AV where my individual skill level will win the game, AV is not really PVP, it is a PVE activity that has PVP in it. That is what developers must avoid at all costs if the game is ever going to be taken seriously, or considered a quality pvp game. That EXACT factor will also decide whether players stay, it does not take a rocket scientist to realize the most successful PVP of all time in MMO's is 100% about small skirmishes that matter. Warhammer tried so hard and fell so flat on its face with their huge PVP that it still hurts to think about. Praying for Ashes, hoping the developers are VERY much designing the game knowing there is a HUGE skill gap in the playerbase, and that is where the focus has to be. I can log into my geared Frost mage right now and literally go through players in BG's like a knife through butter, that has to exist just as well in Ashes.
LOL sooo you get a penalty for attacking and killing others? Hmm sounds fkn trash if you ask me..
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ok here is where i stopped listening, and definetely not gonna play it
i am true pvp player, and I have to be punished for playing pvp? what kind of game is this...
sure in tibia there is also penalty system, if you die when "corrupted" (or just skulled in tibia), then you can lost items, sure... but not plenty of other debuffs and staff. i was hearing about here
that only made me start wondering, whats even the whole point of having pvp in ashes of creation if I have to wait all day long to someone atk me first ... jesus
If you attack someone. And they attack back. That consensual pvp. No penalty, GG. If you attack someone much lower lvl then you. If you attack someone afk. If you attack someone who does not lift a finger to fight back and you still kill them, you go corrupted. If that's the type of pvper you are then we don't want you. Griefing for the sake of griefing is what's not tolerated with this system. Check this video for a complete corruption breakdown. th-cam.com/video/nMi-cwQJUps/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PfLKMUzSDWgk6IBr
PvP is the reason I cannot be excited about this game. I hope it works out for the faithful.
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