As a "yank" who loves trains a lot one thing I must that I envy about you lot is not just preserving steam trains but making new one. The 60163 Tornado in LNER livery is a good start not too mention a knock out gorgeous train. You rail fan in England make us rail fans in the US proud.......ok me at least. But point is you guys rule on preserving history and making it new again.
Hi mate, thanks for the lovely comment - yeah I'm really glad they're making some new builds too - its super exciting! Thanks again for the kind words, Sam :)
Sam'sTrains no worries Sam. You got a great channel and we share a common passion rail road and model railways. It's good to see that even when we're oceans apart we can share the same passion. Cheers mate Andy
Yeah but British Railways shot themselves in the foot as for a steam engine per day it was £18 but a diesel was £68 per day. Then take the oil shortage of the late 60s and diesels get quite expensive.
Financially speaking, coal fired steam locomotives are terribly expensive to operate. For most railways, the transition to diesels was purely financial. Diesels only require one source of fuel, they aren’t as difficult to maintain as steamers, and they are far more fuel-efficient. With that said, steam could be run on a limited scale.
I love these more scholarly / historical videos that you make, well done, sir. I'm a huge British Railways fan, and this sort of thing really helps broaden my perspective.
Yeah me too - a terrible shame! I think we should be glad that so many survived though - we could easily have ended up with none at all! I'll do more lost locomotives soon though! :D Cheers, Sam :)
Some of the Locomotives on this list have examples in deplorable condition surviving though, I don't know if they're able to be salvaged though and I've heard they're common urban explorer destinations in the UK, either a railroad museum or scrapyard that went out of business. Thomas was a GWR locomotive rather than an LBSC one
south africans steam era ended in 1992 wich was the last day of steam for cape town and my profil pic the red one "red devil" was bulit in 1981 and was the last steam loco to be built in sa we had 122 year of steam
Carbonado X it’s not that they did t function, it’s just they weren’t very good. Some enthusiasts rather an engine be in original condition than work well
The Fowler 2-6-4 tank was one of the few LMS engines that Stanier thought was satisfactory (along with the Crab, the Royal Scot and the Baby Scot or Patriot). You can draw a direct line of strong influence from this engine to Stanier's 2-6-4 tanks, to the Fairburn 2-6-4 tank and finally the BR standard 2-6-4 tank as well as the Northern Irish 2-6-0 and 2-6-4 tank (Jeeps) and finally the BR standard Class 4 4-6-0.
Ahh really?? He was quite negative towards some of the designs! That's very true - most of them look almost identical, particularly the 2-6-4 tanks! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I remember as a kid we’d occasionally visit relatives in Barry and the steam loco’s awaiting scrapping always filled me with excitement seeing these fantastic machines all lined up. I’m so glad many of these locomotives avoided this fate 👍🏻
Such a wonderful, exciting video. YES INDEED, all of these I remember well, especially the 2-6-4 fowler tanks that i travelled behind from Wishaw to Glasgow on many occasions. I was very fortunate, indeed, to have witnessed so many really good engines and trains. It STILL fascinates me. Well done SAM'S TRAINS.
Brilliant themed video here Sam.....really, really good. I enjoyed every moment of it & what a great choice of locos to feature too! Gonna try & catch-up on some of your vids that I've missed....mainly due to the problems with mum. All the best mate, me.
+chambs123 Thanks mate, really glad you enjoyed this one - I was worried that it turned out a bit dull! I've started to watch the first of your Flying Scotsman videos, I'm about half way through but enjoying so far! :D Cheers mate, Sam :)
12:44 *no 3041 **_The Queen,_** originally named **_James Mason,_** was an example of this class allocated to Royal Train duties.* *Number 3046 **_Lord of the Isles_** has enjoyed a certain amount of celebrity, having been chosen as the prototype for a Tri-ang model locomotive. Since then the engine has also been modelled by Brio and Matchbox. In 2006, Hornby also produced a limited edition of the same model, this time bearing the name **_Lorna Doone._* Footnote : WikiPedia *"None of the original class survive, but a static replica of The Queen was commissioned by Tussauds for the Railways and Royalty exhibition at Windsor and Eton Central railway station. The replica loco was completed in December 1982 and displayed outside Steamtown in January 1983 (where it was constructed), before being transported by road to Windsor on 12 January 1983 and arriving on 14 January. The main frames, footplate, 'boiler', smokebox, cab and splashers were fabricated by Babcock's of Tipton. The tender was modified from an LBSCR C2x tender. Parts from a GWR tender, that came from the Dumbleton Hall Preservation Society, were used to provide the wheels for the front bogie and the real wheels. The top halves of the driving wheels do not exist, and were cast from 2 quarters, being bolted together to make a half, and the driving wheels also don't sit on the rail, so the loco could be wheeled into position on its front bogie and rear wheels. Some boiler fittings were obtained from the Great Western Society and sandblasted, and the dome and safety valve bonnet were made by Newcastle Metal Spinners. Tussaud's fitted smoke and steam generators, so steam was emitted from the cab, whistles, safety valves and smoke from the chimney. A sound unit was also fitted.* *The engine remains there, but the tender was scrapped to make more space for the shopping centre occupying that station building. The Bluebell Railway Atlantic Group purchased the axleboxes, springs and the complete wheel sets from the tender for use in their newbuild Atlantic project.*
Hi Sam, good video about the lost locos. it is a shame so many interesting steam locos as well as early diesels, electric and multiple units never been saved for preservation. did once visit Barry scrapyard with my dad and grandad when I was a small child in the mid-1970s while on holiday and still remember those locos in very bad condition. Thankfully they were saved and restored back to order. Thanks for sharing.
+Rob Farrell Thanks Rob, glad you liked the video - I was very surprised to find just how many classes had no preserved examples! It must have been very interesting to visit barry - I've never been but I've seen lots of the photos - thank goodness they got rescued when they did! Cheers mate, Sam :)
I'm not sure if having the E2 pull two coaches was an intentional parallel to Thomas, but I like it. I can definitely see how you confused the LMS 2Ps with the SR L1s. I got them confused a lot as well, but now I can tell them apart. Now I need to work on finding the differences between the Southern L1s and the South Eastern & Chatham's D1s and E1s.
+Russell Streak Thanks a lot for the comment - haha, it wasn't intentional but I could pretend it was! She's only light, and won't pull much more than that! It was my fault really - it was listed as an L1 on ebay, an I never thought to check! And best of luck - I have no idea myself! All the best, Sam :)
Good one again Sam. Not silly at all mistaking L1 with 2P they are very similar. In fact Hornby converted the tooling of their Triang Hornby L1 available in SR green in 1972 to make it a 2P the LMS version you are showing , which came out in 1973 . The L1 apparently was not a big seller and the feeling was the 2P would be better . Not sure if it's was. I bought one about 20 years ago second hand and it's a nice runner. I think the main difference in moulding is the cab. The 2P has a cut out cab while the L1 had windows
+Russell Benton Thanks a lot mate, and yeah It was quite the pit-fall since they're so similar! And I have noticed that the chassis on both the L1 and and the 2P are almost identical! And agreed, I'm not too sure which I prefer - I do think the L1 perhaps has more charm! :) Cheers, Sam :)
+Russell Benton Indeed, it's a sort of, hybrid, like a lot of Tri-ang and Hornby models (their Fowler tenders are very oversized for example). Nice variety for the period though :)
+Robert Palfrey Yeah, it is very unusual! I suppose it really mattered what models they released in those days, with them having such a limited range! Very different today, where almost anything goes!
That Rebuilt Patriot is in British Railways Experimental Apple Green, caused quite the stir among LMS fans seeing such a locomotive being painted up in Eastern colors back in the day. I have the same model and absolutely adore it ^^
Blimey, yeah that's a very odd decision- I never knew there was such a thing as an experimental apple green for the LMS - should look stunning though! Thanks for your comment mate, Sam :)
Out of all of the lost locomotives you've showed in that video. My all time favorite has to be the ol mighty strong 2-8-2 LNER P2 locomotive. It is ashamed that first they converted the P2 into a 4-6-2 locomotive and named the A2 class and having the class scrapped with none preserved. This would've been the UK's only 2-8-2 passenger locomotive to be on British Railways and the strongest too even though we got the 9F being strong with those 10 driving wheels. But thank christ they are making a new P2 locomotive running number 2007 which is Prince of Wales. I can't wait to see the brand new finished modern P2 locomotive and seeing it come back!
AHh yes the good old P2 - very wonderful! The best part is that a new build is nearly finished - which is very good news! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Not only those engines were scrap, including some engines from the 19th Centrury were scrap like the engine that is Edward's basics; Furness Railway 4-4-0 K2, i hope hornby will make a new model of it. Incliding engines that sure will mind to make.
The Patriot class were known as Baby Scots having the same chassy as the Scot with the boiler designed to improve the LNWR Claughtons. Stanier took the Baby Scot and put his new tapered boiler on. Unfortunately, the original boiler inspired by the GW low superheat and the draughting meant that the new locomotive, the Jubilee, was initially inferior to the Baby Scot and required a lot of work to make it a successful locomotive (not seriously improved till they increased superheating to the LMS levels not the GW).
Sam'sTrains the 2-6-4 tanks at the L&H railway are Fairburn tanks not the Fowler type. the Fowler tank newbuild is to be built by the LMS Patriot project once 5551 has been completed.
Excellent video as always. My favorite engine on this list is the London Northeastern P2 mikado. Another thing that might be of interest is that the Reverend Wilbert Awdry had intended for Thomas to be a J70 instead of an E2.
The only time I smile with genuine happiness is when I'm around looking at or thinking about trains I'm only 14 and I already have enough knowledge to drive my own train so all you need to do is put me in a train cab and I'd be able to drive it provided it has enough coal water and or steam (if it's a diesel engine that's a deal breaker)
This model of the 2P is a sort of amalgam of the L1 and 2P which were not dis-similar externally. The cab is incorrect for a 2P as are the chimney and dome. The L1 was probably the better engine in that its valves were better than the 2P. Although the 2P wasn't a brilliant engine, it was useful and was quite strong pulling on hills. When used as a pilot engine, the 2P was able to pull the heavy train and train engine which was slipping and accelerate it while going up a bank. It was liked in Scotland and on the Somerset & Dorset.
That's very interesting Don - thanks for the info! They did use the same chassis for both models - so they must have known how similar they were! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@JeoPanda Plays yes, if you want to fact check me, go to the Thomas fandom wiki and go to his page, should be on both the main and behind the scenes on Thomas's page
Before I forget, the smell which you can detect from old Triang and Triang-Hornby engines is ozone. It is the increased oxidation state from oxygen from O2 to O3, and can damage your lungs if breathed in excess!
Ahh yeah duly noted!! Some of them have that ozone smell, while some of them just smell of burning - must be the oil burning off too I guess! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
+Northern Soul Express Yeah, I agree actually - they are actually really lovely! I'm planning to do a review on her soon, an she'll be in future running videos too, Cheers, Sam :)
The E2 tank engines where actually Technically prototypes because they were only examples they weren’t actually full-fledged locomotives yet the 10 that were built were only examples of what they would look like if production was to start on their class I believe and Thomas is actually the only one of his class to have extended side tanks because the E2 class weren’t meant for long trip Journey’s they were meant for short distance freight trains and shunting.
Actually, I read the 2nd batch 105-109 had the extended side tanks, a la Thomas. I read he's a 2nd batch and since someone made him 106 in a fanfic, I made him 105 in my Thomasverse, as 105 and 106 were built in 1915 and that's Thomas's build year in TRS/model canon.
I wonder if there were still FR K2 steam locomotives in barry scrapyard left... Oh and btw the engine at 6:06 look like a LMS Black 5...But this is just my opinion.
WOW!!! Sam amazing video and what great inspiration for it. it is quite sad that we can not see these locos anymore in standard gauge. im going to do my first video tonight so could i please have some tips, oh and how do you edit videos. cheers mate, Lewis
+Lewis Shields Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the video and didn't find it too dull! All my tips are to not let it get too long, and try to show popular locos to start with! I edit with adobe premier, but most editing software will do the job! :) Cheers mate, Sam
Great idea for a video. And a fine collection of models. A very emotive subject! Really great to hear about the projects to creat modern working examples. Oscar
+Oscar Paisley Thanks very much Oscar, I'd wanted to make this for quite a while! And exactly, It's really exciting to find out that new locos are still going to be arriving! :D Cheers, Sam :)
Nice to see the E2 today, it seems to have it's own fan club, possibly because of the "Thomas" connection. I filmed mine many moons ago, and I seem to remember it drew a few comments. I wouldn't have thought dark brown would suit a steam loco, but this one "pulls it off" nicely. : ) Regards, Cliff.
+janiceandcliff Thanks Cliff, I bet Thomas must be part of the reason why - and I agree they are very popular too! They never seem to fetch too much on ebay suprisingly, mine was boxed and near mint for only about £20! Still, not a bad runner, and as you say - the brown looks unexpectedly smart. Cheers, Sam :)
Apparently a replica of the E2 with extended side tanks is going to be made. I've heard that it will be able to steam up and actually move, but I'm not 100% sure...
Yeah you're right - it's very very similar - though I think Arthur may have been the standard version, not the LMS version - still similar though! Really glad you enjoyed it, Sam :)
Also, remember the FR K2 Locos that Edward was based on? All of them are lost or scrapped. But there's another one rebuilt and remaining only for display.
Ooh very cool! That sounds like a great story - I'll have to look at that! Ahh that's good to hear - I'd love to see her! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
If they have the same name and number as one of the orginals locos they are a replica, but if it is like tornado where non of the other members of the class had it its name or number it is a genuine member of the class
Man some of these hurt to see disappear, especially the j50, I really like that one! Hurry up and get that replica done, ha. Good video again, great work :)
you wont understand it all but i feel like this video is teasing me because i have a Tri-ang princess Elizabeth and the chassis is knackered so seeing the Tri-ang 3mt with all its moving parts makes me annoyed that i cant see mine doing that
Ah that is a shame mate! :( Have you had a look on Ebay? You can pick up those princesses very cheaply these days - why not give that a go?? All the best mate, Sam :)
As saddening as it is to see locomotive graveyards, at least we still have books, film and models to carry on their legacies, to appreciate and remember them by. The original giants may not run anymore, but at least we can replicate what they did before their demise❤ The Class E2 is a prime example. Such cute tank engines. Never quite understood why they scrapped them, they seemed perfectly viable after their redesign
Can you do another Lost Locomotives video? Here are the list of the 9 locomotives you should add that were all scrapped and none were preserved. And there are 2 diesels that I've noticed that were all scrapped. Oh I edited this comment here because I noticed that there was a J36 preserved while the rest were scrapped and same with the J32s. So I replaced the J36 with the Class 29 since I noticed that the Class 29s were also another lost diesel locomotive. Sorry for the mistake. First running session -4-6-4 Hudson -LBSC H1 Atlantic -Midland Railway Deeley 3F Second running session -Class 22 -Class 29 -LNER K3 Third running session -GWR Grange Class -LNER Class V3 -LNER B17
Well Sam, they certainly not lost! they will forever be in the Hearts and Minds of Engine men and Rail fans alike! your mate! - Sam! (P.S this is my Gaming alt!)
Enjoyable and informative video. Passed just like that. Great choice of locos. (Train excuses (3014 - The Queen) - late due to no tops on wheels. Great video. Alan.
Just a noob question, but I noticed that many of the older models have the middle wheels without flanges (funnily enough the E2 has flanges but the wheel itself is small and hangs above the rails). Why is that?
haha that's the big question! I'm sure some heritage railways would let you store them there, if they were allowed to use them! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Well in those days models ran on very tight curves - so the middle wheels never touched the track so that they could glide over the rails during tight curves! All the best, Sam :)
Hi thanks for the comment - I didn't cover all of the lost locomotives, since I think there's hundreds... but I might make another of these videos to show more! Cheers, Sam :)
It could be yeah - hard to tell - but it's definitely one of the Southern 4-6-0S - so it's an N15, S15 or a Lord Nelson probably! :3 Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I did some research and that is definitely a king arthur class. If you search up 'merlin the invisible basis' you can actually find a picture of a real king arthur class with the same amount of funnels and number! So basically Merlin was a real engine
another great video and very interesting to hear about different classes of loco, nice to see the 3mt and its cool to know one is being built down the road, you can use the photos i sent you if you like
+GWR23 Studios Thanks very much mate - and I'm gutted that I made this video before you sent me those - It'd have been great to have included them! I might still post them on Facebook though (If you're happy for me to!) because I bet people would love to see them! :D How are things with your trains by the way?? Cheers mate, Sam :)
Sam'sTrains you can put them on facebook by all means. and I may be moving my model railway into the loft because my room space is getting smaller, and thanks for asking
As a "yank" who loves trains a lot one thing I must that I envy about you lot is not just preserving steam trains but making new one. The 60163 Tornado in LNER livery is a good start not too mention a knock out gorgeous train. You rail fan in England make us rail fans in the US proud.......ok me at least. But point is you guys rule on preserving history and making it new again.
Hi mate, thanks for the lovely comment - yeah I'm really glad they're making some new builds too - its super exciting!
Thanks again for the kind words,
Sam :)
Sam'sTrains no worries Sam. You got a great channel and we share a common passion rail road and model railways. It's good to see that even when we're oceans apart we can share the same passion. Cheers mate
Andy
Hey Sam I heard that they are going to rebuild the J50
I'm British and I must say, not just because I'm from England, but British trains are more majestic than American locos.
MOTHER RUSSIA Exactly, they're worth saving. ;)
How sad to scrap such beautiful machines, ;(
Yeah it is terrible - but at least there's some still around! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Yeah but British Railways shot themselves in the foot as for a steam engine per day it was £18 but a diesel was £68 per day. Then take the oil shortage of the late 60s and diesels get quite expensive.
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Financially speaking, coal fired steam locomotives are terribly expensive to operate. For most railways, the transition to diesels was purely financial. Diesels only require one source of fuel, they aren’t as difficult to maintain as steamers, and they are far more fuel-efficient. With that said, steam could be run on a limited scale.
It’s nice knowing that some of these are being to be attempted to be rebuilt
I love these more scholarly / historical videos that you make, well done, sir. I'm a huge British Railways fan, and this sort of thing really helps broaden my perspective.
Thanks very much Sir - I try to cover a nice range, so everyone can find something they like!
Thanks a lot for all the support,
Cheers,
Sam :)
Sam'sTrains Love the videos keep it up 👍🏼
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Im sorry for all the engines that are in barry's scrapjard.
Yeah me too - a terrible shame! I think we should be glad that so many survived though - we could easily have ended up with none at all! I'll do more lost locomotives soon though! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
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I seen the scrap yard
We almost lost locomotive 6029
You said scrapjard
Some of the Locomotives on this list have examples in deplorable condition surviving though, I don't know if they're able to be salvaged though and I've heard they're common urban explorer destinations in the UK, either a railroad museum or scrapyard that went out of business. Thomas was a GWR locomotive rather than an LBSC one
south africans steam era ended in 1992 wich was the last day of steam for cape town and my profil pic the red one "red devil" was bulit in 1981 and was the last steam loco to be built in sa we had 122 year of steam
Ooh fantastic - thanks a lot for the info! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
It's a shame that the e2 was scarped
Yeah it is a shame actually - hopefully they'll build a new one some time!
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
Your welcome
Sam'sTrains They are. LBSCR No. 110, SR No. 2110, BR No. 32110.
Hey Sam- Someone is actually funding to make a naw E2!
Jesse Hudy doesn't that make Thomas The Tank Engine a Ghost?? Oh my... SODOR IS HAUNTED
I'm wondering where's the E2 locomotive trust as Thomas is the most famous train in the world
+TrainMaster15 Yeah that's true - I'm not too sure, there aught to be one though!
Cheers,
Sam :)
william shiu it’s not. There are no E2s left, considering they are kinda terrible
Carbonado X true. But people would complain that it’s not in original condition.
Carbonado X it’s not that they did t function, it’s just they weren’t very good. Some enthusiasts rather an engine be in original condition than work well
Carbonado X you’re not wrong there mate
‘The Queen’ is/was a static display in a shopping centre in Windsor, near the castle.
The Fowler 2-6-4 tank was one of the few LMS engines that Stanier thought was satisfactory (along with the Crab, the Royal Scot and the Baby Scot or Patriot). You can draw a direct line of strong influence from this engine to Stanier's 2-6-4 tanks, to the Fairburn 2-6-4 tank and finally the BR standard 2-6-4 tank as well as the Northern Irish 2-6-0 and 2-6-4 tank (Jeeps) and finally the BR standard Class 4 4-6-0.
Ahh really?? He was quite negative towards some of the designs! That's very true - most of them look almost identical, particularly the 2-6-4 tanks!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I remember as a kid we’d occasionally visit relatives in Barry and the steam loco’s awaiting scrapping always filled me with excitement seeing these fantastic machines all lined up. I’m so glad many of these locomotives avoided this fate 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing Dick - must have been a wonderful (if slightly depressing) sight!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Such a wonderful, exciting video. YES INDEED, all of these I remember well, especially the 2-6-4 fowler tanks that i travelled behind from Wishaw to Glasgow on many occasions. I was very fortunate, indeed, to have witnessed so many really good engines and trains. It STILL fascinates me. Well done SAM'S TRAINS.
Thanks so much George - great to hear you're familiar with these!! What were the fowler 2-6-4s like in real life?!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Brilliant themed video here Sam.....really, really good. I enjoyed every moment of it & what a great choice of locos to feature too! Gonna try & catch-up on some of your vids that I've missed....mainly due to the problems with mum. All the best mate, me.
+chambs123 Thanks mate, really glad you enjoyed this one - I was worried that it turned out a bit dull! I've started to watch the first of your Flying Scotsman videos, I'm about half way through but enjoying so far! :D
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
+Sam'sTrains Hell Sam don't think that....it was far from dull!! Cheers mate, John.
12:44 *no 3041 **_The Queen,_** originally named **_James Mason,_** was an example of this class allocated to Royal Train duties.*
*Number 3046 **_Lord of the Isles_** has enjoyed a certain amount of celebrity, having been chosen as the prototype for a Tri-ang model locomotive. Since then the engine has also been modelled by Brio and Matchbox. In 2006, Hornby also produced a limited edition of the same model, this time bearing the name **_Lorna Doone._*
Footnote : WikiPedia *"None of the original class survive, but a static replica of The Queen was commissioned by Tussauds for the Railways and Royalty exhibition at Windsor and Eton Central railway station. The replica loco was completed in December 1982 and displayed outside Steamtown in January 1983 (where it was constructed), before being transported by road to Windsor on 12 January 1983 and arriving on 14 January. The main frames, footplate, 'boiler', smokebox, cab and splashers were fabricated by Babcock's of Tipton. The tender was modified from an LBSCR C2x tender. Parts from a GWR tender, that came from the Dumbleton Hall Preservation Society, were used to provide the wheels for the front bogie and the real wheels. The top halves of the driving wheels do not exist, and were cast from 2 quarters, being bolted together to make a half, and the driving wheels also don't sit on the rail, so the loco could be wheeled into position on its front bogie and rear wheels. Some boiler fittings were obtained from the Great Western Society and sandblasted, and the dome and safety valve bonnet were made by Newcastle Metal Spinners. Tussaud's fitted smoke and steam generators, so steam was emitted from the cab, whistles, safety valves and smoke from the chimney. A sound unit was also fitted.*
*The engine remains there, but the tender was scrapped to make more space for the shopping centre occupying that station building. The Bluebell Railway Atlantic Group purchased the axleboxes, springs and the complete wheel sets from the tender for use in their newbuild Atlantic project.*
Hi, thanks so much for the comment and all the info, much appreciated!!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Lovely presented video Sam and a terrific idea to run engines lost to us before & during the great massacre!
+Eddie Allen Thanks very much, really glad you enjoyed it - I thought this was something worth dong!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hi Sam, good video about the lost locos. it is a shame so many interesting steam locos as well as early diesels, electric and multiple units never been saved for preservation. did once visit Barry scrapyard with my dad and grandad when I was a small child in the mid-1970s while on holiday and still remember those locos in very bad condition. Thankfully they were saved and restored back to order. Thanks for sharing.
+Rob Farrell Thanks Rob, glad you liked the video - I was very surprised to find just how many classes had no preserved examples! It must have been very interesting to visit barry - I've never been but I've seen lots of the photos - thank goodness they got rescued when they did!
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
I'm not sure if having the E2 pull two coaches was an intentional parallel to Thomas, but I like it. I can definitely see how you confused the LMS 2Ps with the SR L1s. I got them confused a lot as well, but now I can tell them apart. Now I need to work on finding the differences between the Southern L1s and the South Eastern & Chatham's D1s and E1s.
+Russell Streak Thanks a lot for the comment - haha, it wasn't intentional but I could pretend it was! She's only light, and won't pull much more than that! It was my fault really - it was listed as an L1 on ebay, an I never thought to check!
And best of luck - I have no idea myself!
All the best,
Sam :)
Good one again Sam. Not silly at all mistaking L1 with 2P they are very similar. In fact Hornby converted the tooling of their Triang Hornby L1 available in SR green in 1972 to make it a 2P the LMS version you are showing , which came out in 1973 . The L1 apparently was not a big seller and the feeling was the 2P would be better . Not sure if it's was. I bought one about 20 years ago second hand and it's a nice runner. I think the main difference in moulding is the cab. The 2P has a cut out cab while the L1 had windows
+Russell Benton Thanks a lot mate, and yeah It was quite the pit-fall since they're so similar! And I have noticed that the chassis on both the L1 and and the 2P are almost identical! And agreed, I'm not too sure which I prefer - I do think the L1 perhaps has more charm! :)
Cheers,
Sam :)
+Russell Benton Indeed, it's a sort of, hybrid, like a lot of Tri-ang and Hornby models (their Fowler tenders are very oversized for example). Nice variety for the period though :)
+Robert Palfrey Yeah, it is very unusual! I suppose it really mattered what models they released in those days, with them having such a limited range! Very different today, where almost anything goes!
Hi Sam
I really enjoyed the video. I find it inspiring that there are so many new replica builds underway including two P2's
Cheers
Al.
That Rebuilt Patriot is in British Railways Experimental Apple Green, caused quite the stir among LMS fans seeing such a locomotive being painted up in Eastern colors back in the day. I have the same model and absolutely adore it ^^
Blimey, yeah that's a very odd decision- I never knew there was such a thing as an experimental apple green for the LMS - should look stunning though!
Thanks for your comment mate,
Sam :)
Out of all of the lost locomotives you've showed in that video. My all time favorite has to be the ol mighty strong 2-8-2 LNER P2 locomotive. It is ashamed that first they converted the P2 into a 4-6-2 locomotive and named the A2 class and having the class scrapped with none preserved. This would've been the UK's only 2-8-2 passenger locomotive to be on British Railways and the strongest too even though we got the 9F being strong with those 10 driving wheels. But thank christ they are making a new P2 locomotive running number 2007 which is Prince of Wales. I can't wait to see the brand new finished modern P2 locomotive and seeing it come back!
AHh yes the good old P2 - very wonderful! The best part is that a new build is nearly finished - which is very good news! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
My favourite lost locomotives were the LBSC Marsh Atlantics.
Great Video as usual :)
Ooh yeah - those are lovely engines! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Very interesting! Just a bit of information for you Sam. The replica Patriot will be in un-rebuilt form with single chimney and straight boiler.
Hi, thanks for the comment and the info - I'm really looking forward to them getting that finished! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Hi Sam, as always I am very impressed with your knowledge and the way you present it, well done...Simon
+Liverton -Simon Thanks a lot Simon - it all comes from books as usual, but really glad you enjoyed it!
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
Not only those engines were scrap, including some engines from the 19th Centrury were scrap like the engine that is Edward's basics; Furness Railway 4-4-0 K2, i hope hornby will make a new model of it. Incliding engines that sure will mind to make.
Yeah you're right - it's such a shame :(
nice selection some notable omissions:- ex LNER D16,B17,01,02, W1 (I know you have these locos!)also standard Clan
In my closest city
The company who runs the railway
Are still using steam
Not just for shows
They pull freight
And passengers
Oh wow, where's that then?? That sounds awesome! :D
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Sam :)
It’s called a heritage railway
@@terrier_productions There's such a place in Pennsylvania, but that's the nearest steam railroad to me I know. I live in a neighboring state to PA.
The 4p in my opinion is one of the best looking locomotives in Sam’s entire collection
Yeah they really are superb aren't they?! :D
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@@SamsTrains I still can't believe you replied!
The Patriot class were known as Baby Scots having the same chassy as the Scot with the boiler designed to improve the LNWR Claughtons. Stanier took the Baby Scot and put his new tapered boiler on. Unfortunately, the original boiler inspired by the GW low superheat and the draughting meant that the new locomotive, the Jubilee, was initially inferior to the Baby Scot and required a lot of work to make it a successful locomotive (not seriously improved till they increased superheating to the LMS levels not the GW).
Ahh yes I've heard the term Baby Scot - thanks very much for all the info! :D
Cheers,
Sam ;)
there are still 2 2-6-4 steam tank locomotives preserved that are running on the haverthwaite and lakeside railway.
Oh right that's pretty cool! Though there were lots of 2-6-4 classes of loco - not all of them were saved!
All the best,
Sam :)
Sam'sTrains the 2-6-4 tanks at the L&H railway are Fairburn tanks not the Fowler type. the Fowler tank newbuild is to be built by the LMS Patriot project once 5551 has been completed.
Excellent video as always. My favorite engine on this list is the London Northeastern P2 mikado. Another thing that might be of interest is that the Reverend Wilbert Awdry had intended for Thomas to be a J70 instead of an E2.
Sam at 17.13 you can see a Blue flash from inside locos Cab as it goes past the Station. Not sure if its from the station
The only time I smile with genuine happiness is when I'm around looking at or thinking about trains I'm only 14 and I already have enough knowledge to drive my own train so all you need to do is put me in a train cab and I'd be able to drive it provided it has enough coal water and or steam (if it's a diesel engine that's a deal breaker)
That's awesome to hear - really glad you're enjoying trains! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
You should work on heritage railroad/railway, whichever word you use. I live near Canada, so we use both words in my area.
Four years old and still one of my favorites
Great to hear that - thanks so much! :D
My favorite lbscr e2 class.😢
The gwr 3031 class is in a shopping centre in Winsor near the station
+railwaymad60103 Oh cool! I heard that she was in a shopping centre - how does she look?
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Sam :)
+Sam'sTrains she looks quite nice but would be better if she had her tender or if she was nearer to me 😃
This model of the 2P is a sort of amalgam of the L1 and 2P which were not dis-similar externally. The cab is incorrect for a 2P as are the chimney and dome. The L1 was probably the better engine in that its valves were better than the 2P. Although the 2P wasn't a brilliant engine, it was useful and was quite strong pulling on hills. When used as a pilot engine, the 2P was able to pull the heavy train and train engine which was slipping and accelerate it while going up a bank. It was liked in Scotland and on the Somerset & Dorset.
That's very interesting Don - thanks for the info! They did use the same chassis for both models - so they must have known how similar they were!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Enjoyed the video. I think the single wheeler was or is at Winsor part of a Queen Victoria display
Hi, thanks very much for the kind comment - I think I heard something similar too, though I don't know for sure!
All the best,
Sam :)
Do you think you will do a scrapyard scene on your layout? Though it will look sad it is a nice touch
Yeah that would be a nice touch - I'll have to think about doing that, great idea! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
as far as Thomas goes he was actually originally based off the j50 but in the books he was based off a e2 with extended side tanks
Yes that's right I think - a few other people have told me that in the past! :D
Thanks a lot for watching mate,
Sam :)
Gaming blue engine productions he also has splashes.
@JeoPanda Plays yes, if you want to fact check me, go to the Thomas fandom wiki and go to his page, should be on both the main and behind the scenes on Thomas's page
Before I forget, the smell which you can detect from old Triang and Triang-Hornby engines is ozone. It is the increased oxidation state from oxygen from O2 to O3, and can damage your lungs if breathed in excess!
Ahh yeah duly noted!! Some of them have that ozone smell, while some of them just smell of burning - must be the oil burning off too I guess!
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My favourite lost steam locomotive is LBSCR D1 Tank!
Oh cool! I've not heard of that one, I'll check that out! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Sam'sTrains my fave scraped engine is thomas [cause he is a e2]
Fun fact the LMS Patriot class had the nickname "Baby Scot"
That's really interesting - I think I've heard the term 'baby scot' before, but didn't know it was a nickname for the patriot!
All the best,
Sam :)
*Great Layout, in the roof space by the look of it. Well Done*
Thank you! Yes indeed, in the loft space!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
My favourite tank engine is the LBSC E2, I even have my own model so I'm glad it made it in there, and I would like to see more of her
+Northern Soul Express Yeah, I agree actually - they are actually really lovely! I'm planning to do a review on her soon, an she'll be in future running videos too,
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Sam :)
The E2 tank engines where actually Technically prototypes because they were only examples they weren’t actually full-fledged locomotives yet the 10 that were built were only examples of what they would look like if production was to start on their class I believe and Thomas is actually the only one of his class to have extended side tanks because the E2 class weren’t meant for long trip Journey’s they were meant for short distance freight trains and shunting.
Very interesting folks - thanks for sharing!! I suppose it's clear why none were preserved!
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Sam'sTrains np
Actually, I read the 2nd batch 105-109 had the extended side tanks, a la Thomas. I read he's a 2nd batch and since someone made him 106 in a fanfic, I made him 105 in my Thomasverse, as 105 and 106 were built in 1915 and that's Thomas's build year in TRS/model canon.
What was the 2-6-2 tender engine wheel arangement called? :-)
I believe that's known as Prarie!
THX!
I wonder if there were still FR K2 steam locomotives in barry scrapyard left...
Oh and btw the engine at 6:06 look like a LMS Black 5...But this is just my opinion.
Ooh I don't know actually - it'd be nice if there were! :O
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Thomas' original counterpart was the J50, but it was replaced by the E2 Tank engine chosen by the Reverend for his illustrator for a basis for Thomas.
Yeah! I bet Thomas would have looked very strange as a J50! ;D
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Fun fact: there is a P2 "prince of whales" being constructed
WOW!!! Sam amazing video and what great inspiration for it. it is quite sad that we can not see these locos anymore in standard gauge. im going to do my first video tonight so could i please have some tips, oh and how do you edit videos.
cheers mate, Lewis
+Lewis Shields Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed the video and didn't find it too dull! All my tips are to not let it get too long, and try to show popular locos to start with! I edit with adobe premier, but most editing software will do the job! :)
Cheers mate,
Sam
thanks Sam :)
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2:23 you said the 'T' word!
+Why Not? haha! Perish the thought eih? ;)
+Sam'sTrains I don't know if I'll get over this. ;)
One of them is Arthur from thomas well the brown LMS one
Yeah that's right! Arthur was the class 2 tank, very well spotted!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Great idea for a video. And a fine collection of models. A very emotive subject! Really great to hear about the projects to creat modern working examples.
Oscar
+Oscar Paisley Thanks very much Oscar, I'd wanted to make this for quite a while! And exactly, It's really exciting to find out that new locos are still going to be arriving! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Nice to see the E2 today, it seems to have it's own fan club, possibly because of the "Thomas" connection.
I filmed mine many moons ago, and I seem to remember it drew a few comments.
I wouldn't have thought dark brown would suit a steam loco, but this one "pulls it off" nicely. : )
Regards, Cliff.
+janiceandcliff Thanks Cliff, I bet Thomas must be part of the reason why - and I agree they are very popular too! They never seem to fetch too much on ebay suprisingly, mine was boxed and near mint for only about £20! Still, not a bad runner, and as you say - the brown looks unexpectedly smart.
Cheers,
Sam :)
Apparently a replica of the E2 with extended side tanks is going to be made. I've heard that it will be able to steam up and actually move, but I'm not 100% sure...
Number 1014 is a county class and she is being built as we speak
Ooh is that still going ahead?! That's great to hear! :D
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
there is a e2 being built, and there was a e2 at barry, one of the first they scrapped
Yeah I heard about those plans to build a new one! Yeah, it's very sad about barry - sounds like many engines were lost there :(
All the best,
Sam :)
I think the loco introduced at four mins and three seconds looks a bit like Arthur from Thomas and his Friends but brilliant video sam
Yeah you're right - it's very very similar - though I think Arthur may have been the standard version, not the LMS version - still similar though!
Really glad you enjoyed it,
Sam :)
I saw a video about Barry the Rescue Engine, who was saved from scrap at Barry's Scrapyard, by James the Red Engine.
Also, remember the FR K2 Locos that Edward was based on? All of them are lost or scrapped. But there's another one rebuilt and remaining only for display.
Ooh very cool! That sounds like a great story - I'll have to look at that! Ahh that's good to hear - I'd love to see her! :D
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If they have the same name and number as one of the orginals locos they are a replica, but if it is like tornado where non of the other members of the class had it its name or number it is a genuine member of the class
that means the new patriot is a genuine member of the class
Thats very interesting - thanks for the advice, I'd never thought about that before!
Thanks very much,
Sam :)
3:15 is the original Thomas before he became the E2 in the books
Yeah I've heard about that - that's very cool!
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
Man some of these hurt to see disappear, especially the j50, I really like that one! Hurry up and get that replica done, ha.
Good video again, great work :)
I know! Especially the j50 for sure - I'd love to see a real J50 one day! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Is it me or all these trains look so beautiful also great video
haha yeah that's true - they seem to have scrapped all the beautiful ones :(
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you wont understand it all but i feel like this video is teasing me because i have a Tri-ang princess Elizabeth and the chassis is knackered so seeing the Tri-ang 3mt with all its moving parts makes me annoyed that i cant see mine doing that
Ah that is a shame mate! :(
Have you had a look on Ebay? You can pick up those princesses very cheaply these days - why not give that a go??
All the best mate,
Sam :)
Interesting to learn a little about the lost locos.
+Rob McCrain Thanks, glad you liked it - I've been wanting to do this for a while :)
Cheers,
Sam
Isn't there a 303 in the national railway museum in York??
Hmm, I'm not too sure about that!
Sam what do you use to record your minecraft videos on your gaming channel????????????
Good vid
Bye :)
Hi! I use Fraps normally - it's great for most games, but it takes up tonnes of hard drive space!
Glad you enjoyed this,
Cheers,
Sam :)
I swear there's a running 3030 in the York museum
A 3030?? Which ones that mate?? :)
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Sam :)
As saddening as it is to see locomotive graveyards, at least we still have books, film and models to carry on their legacies, to appreciate and remember them by. The original giants may not run anymore, but at least we can replicate what they did before their demise❤
The Class E2 is a prime example. Such cute tank engines. Never quite understood why they scrapped them, they seemed perfectly viable after their redesign
Yeah you're right - they aren't truly lost, that's a good point!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Man. You've come a long way. 😁
Can you do another Lost Locomotives video?
Here are the list of the 9 locomotives you should add that were all scrapped and none were preserved. And there are 2 diesels that I've noticed that were all scrapped.
Oh I edited this comment here because I noticed that there was a J36 preserved while the rest were scrapped and same with the J32s. So I replaced the J36 with the Class 29 since I noticed that the Class 29s were also another lost diesel locomotive. Sorry for the mistake.
First running session
-4-6-4 Hudson
-LBSC H1 Atlantic
-Midland Railway Deeley 3F
Second running session
-Class 22
-Class 29
-LNER K3
Third running session
-GWR Grange Class
-LNER Class V3
-LNER B17
Sounds great mate - that's definitely enough to do another video!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
It’s good that the P2s won’t remain lost for long
There will be a Bachman LBSCR Green Thomas & Busy as a Bee James.
There will indeed!! :D
Well Sam, they certainly not lost! they will forever be in the Hearts and Minds of Engine men and Rail fans alike!
your mate!
- Sam!
(P.S this is my Gaming alt!)
That's certainly true mate - very good point!
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I'm very sorry for the steam engines that were being scrapped
Enjoyable and informative video. Passed just like that. Great choice of locos. (Train excuses (3014 - The Queen) - late due to no tops on wheels. Great video. Alan.
Like I always say, Sam, keep up the good work!
Thanks mate, very much appreciated,
All the best,
Sam :)
Could you do some Australian trains? Like auscasion models and eureka models
Yes I would like that - I'm hoping to get some one day! :D
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Sam :)
Hey Sam trains are actually bringing itThe P2 back
Yeah they are! Two of them in fact - just awesome!! :D
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Sam :)
Sad fact : Those were some of my favorite engines
Ahh sorry to hear that - they were lovely :(
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Arthur's base engine was scraped? I'm glad Thomas and Friends brought it back into the picture.
Yeah! I'm glad too - it was very nice to see! :D
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
Oh, hey Sam! Thanks for replying and I just subscribed and turned on notifications. (You also deserve more views, likes, and subs.)
Arthur was based on the Ivatt 2MT's.
Thomasbrainline. Productions thanks for saying that instead of me!
Thomas: So Arthur's the only one of his class left? Just like me, then.
I like how they actually restored the p2
Yeah! Or built a new one at least!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Just a noob question, but I noticed that many of the older models have the middle wheels without flanges (funnily enough the E2 has flanges but the wheel itself is small and hangs above the rails). Why is that?
It's to allow them to handle super tight curves - track was much tighter in the early days!
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By the way if I went to that scrap yard I'd rebuild all of the locomotive's there. Where would I put them?
haha that's the big question! I'm sure some heritage railways would let you store them there, if they were allowed to use them!
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Why has the last locos middle wheel not touching the ground
Well in those days models ran on very tight curves - so the middle wheels never touched the track so that they could glide over the rails during tight curves!
All the best,
Sam :)
Ah cool fact thx Sam
I wonder if anyone would build a new build of Holden 101 0-4-0T prototype to use on preserved railways (I'm actually thinking of doing that)
That would certainly be awesome to see! :D
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the lner p2 is being rebuilt and should be done during or after 2020
Ooh amazing - I can't wait for that!! :D
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We are getting two new p2’s built in the next few years, one like that and one in the streamlined form
I know!! It's fantastic - let's hope we actually see them finished!! :D
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How sad. RIP to all the trains that got scrapped.
Yeah it is sad - oh well at least we got some saved :3
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Sam :)
Why dident you mention there was 2 series off the e2?
Oh did I not? I probably didn't know about it then - if you check out my review of her, I think I cover it there!
All the best,
Sam :)
Ok wil go do that now. Runaway :3
Yeah yeah you did
NO Raven A8 then its seams too be forgotten !
But there were Good locomotives
Hi thanks for the comment - I didn't cover all of the lost locomotives, since I think there's hundreds... but I might make another of these videos to show more!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Wait if this video has alot of the lost steam engines then where's Lady?
I don't have that one sadly :(
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1:17 IS THAT A KING ARTHUR CLASS (A.K.A. Merlin the invisible)!?!?
It could be yeah - hard to tell - but it's definitely one of the Southern 4-6-0S - so it's an N15, S15 or a Lord Nelson probably! :3
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Sam :)
I did some research and that is definitely a king arthur class.
If you search up 'merlin the invisible basis' you can actually find a picture of a real king arthur class with the same amount of funnels and number! So basically Merlin was a real engine
ArtBoy54 Productions invisibility on
How long does it take to make a video? It must take a lot of effort!
It usually takes all day to do each video! :D
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Great video idea Sam! Shame we can't see any of these locos in real life any more though :(
+Mitchell Thomas Thanks mate - it is a great shame! But as I say, there are new ones on the way! :D
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Sam :)
Can't believe you did a piece on extinct locos and didn't include the A1's!
haha yeah, but with Tornado about, they're not strictly lost any more ;D
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another great video and very interesting to hear about different classes of loco, nice to see the 3mt and its cool to know one is being built down the road, you can use the photos i sent you if you like
+GWR23 Studios Thanks very much mate - and I'm gutted that I made this video before you sent me those - It'd have been great to have included them! I might still post them on Facebook though (If you're happy for me to!) because I bet people would love to see them! :D How are things with your trains by the way??
Cheers mate,
Sam :)
Sam'sTrains you can put them on facebook by all means. and I may be moving my model railway into the loft because my room space is getting smaller, and thanks for asking
I fell bad for some of the engines
Yeah me too - it is sad :(
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
the soals of the lost steam locos probly live on in there model forms
haha I'm sure they do!!