Hey all, as you can notice I goofed the aspect ratio during recording and everyone is squished. Whoops. Anyways hope you enjoy the episode! Also shoutout to Pepper for the amazing thumbnail lmao. - Jacob.
Also, I would love to see a “Saving Private Meepo” challenge run of Sunless Citadel in which y’all have to bring Meepo through the entire dungeon with you guys and keep him alive
Great observation. I'm kinda shocked more actual play shows don't utilize this general formula. - Most, if not all, of the fat/filler is trimmed out. - Funnier/more memorable scenes are kept in unedited. - Interview shots with the players to enhance what we just saw or are about to see.
Dungeon Delve has to be some of the most entertaining dnd content I'v seen recently, the cutaway interview format is so engaging and I love the episode premises so far. Hope to see more! :)
27:10 I gotta throw out a mention for Panic at the Dojo as an indie-TTRPG to try. It's a TTRPG about seeing who can be the most anime character to ever anime punch, with the power of friendship and everything. A lot of the rules are something to the effect of "Do this, unless something else is more dramatic, then do the dramatic thing instead" I love it 56:40 the core rules for other languages often convert to Metric at 1.5m = 5ft so when building in minecraft you're working on a scale of three minecraft blocks for every two 5ft squares
Wasting resources made you prioritize, in theory, and kept the tension levels up. The main point of empty rooms was that older editions were a gane of exploration and risk management, and this made it feel like you were truly exploring an abandoned place. Modern d&d is not a game of exploration and risk management, it's a game of cool story telling, and while a couple of empty rooms are okay, the sheer number in this module risks it becoming boring. Neither model is better, they just have a different set of design principles, and are different types of game.
You guys keep putting down meppo, and I have built and played a kobolt named meppo, and he has been one of my favorite characters to play. Hers a bit of his back story. At a very young age, he was abandoned by his clan and left for dead. Found by a pack of wolves that took him in as one of their own, he grows up with his wolf brother. They became great avengers and an incredible par.
I play dungeon crawl classics with some folks at work and I gave the wizard a skull that lets him up his success chance on spellcasts, but had a secret downside of exploding on a nat 1. he rolled a nat 1, it exploded, killed 2 of the party and every monster in the room. Best experience so far. It was crazy.
You should run a dungeon with Shadowdark at some point. The inventory space, torch timer, turn based exploration, and streamlined d20 rules are built for them. Old School Dnd with modern mechanics
The idea to all play Mario characters reminds me of a one shot where we were all toads and had to save Mario and luigi after bowser got fed up with them saving peach. The party was a grizzled guard that road a yoshii (calvary fighter) A rogue that is part of a toad underground that wants to overthrow peach A monk construction worker who is angry the mushroom kingdom is always getting destroyed A stoner spores druid whose spores attacks were his weed smoke And me a wild magic sorcerer who got lost in the code and has no idea how his powers work
When I ran Sunless Citadel a few years back I had the dragon climb the wall and sit between two of the trophy heads on the wall, a lion and a large goat, so it looked at a glance like a chimera.
Ive been following your channels for a while and have previously played some TTRPGs as a player but only recently became a DM. I was so happy to see you run a lvl 1 adventure module. On the day your dungeon delve of Sunless Citadel released, I was browsing the Monster Manual for something cool I could add to my Mines of Phandelver adventure. Since my players absolutely karate chopped every ambush and trap as it was written, I thought about spicing things up with a white dragon egg... Needless to say, your episode made me reconsider.
It's Steven with a "ph" - and all I can see is Phteven. Look it up - SFW. You guys are killing it with the retro modules. And now you know why we made up all our own dungeons back in 1980. Where's my graph paper?
Hi, I'm an audio listener, and just by chance turning the podcast back on after I had paused it, I was the Castle Ravenloft in minecraft bit and Jack making that face. My brain is now thinking over every time I've ever heard him use that inflection in his voice and filling it in with him making that face and suddenly everything makes so much sense.
What might be a good attempt is like a preemptive plan, where your characters would probably know how long a torch will last. I have never tried this but a sense of stating ahead of time stating that you only have enough resources to explore x amount of rooms, or explore for y amount of days would be a better way; one way to maybe track this is with a tracker like the water level in forgotten island.
Love the idea of you doing other games such as Pathfinder for the Dungeon Delves. I'm sure its not even on the your radar but would love to see you do a Shadowdark one-shot! Ether way keep up the good work guys. 👍
19:00 According to Gygax, in the very early days, "if you don't keep a track of time in the dungeon, there is no point in playing the game". But very early D&D had very different rules. 34:30 Hit, and knocked uncoscious. I don't think Mipo would try to kill her, she is the talisman of the tribe, the mission was to take her back. 40:31 It does "the dragon is the lucky talisman of the tribe". But no other information. 47:25 They raided each other pretty often. But yeah.
IMO, empty rooms offer a safe place for adventurers to long rest. It greatly reduces the chance of them getting ambushed in their sleep. It could also be a place to retreat to if things go badly.
There was a tea shop based in Washington that worked with Pizo(spelling???) to make a bunch of teas inspired by the base classes for first edition Pathfinder like a decade ago(?). The owner used synesthesia to make the blends taste like how the concepts of the classes taste to her.
I tried this as a one shot on roll20 once which turned into a 2 shot due to overrunning. When we went to talk to the goblins only one of us knew how to speak Goblin. So they talked in my ear as we hid behind a small wall as I used message to tell that bard what to say 😂
Jacob thinking that watching it twice is crazy is hilarious, considering I'm pretty sure I've watched the whole thing through at LEAST 6 times since it came out lol. And don't even ask me how many times I watched the Tomb of Horrors video...
@ 40:00 Isnt it established lore in Forgotten Realms that Kobolds only spawn into existence near the location of a dragon, from the dragons magic corrupting the land or something. The kobolds are basically a bacteria of the Dragons, some use them and some just find them annoying
I can't remember with all the videos I've watched, is there a schedule for how often Dungeon Delve will happen? I'm really loving these massive multi-hour VODs
i think It would be cool to add health bars in the dungeon delve episodes! It’s so entertaining to watch, but I kinda struggle to tell who’s hurt or not! I’m not sure how to implement it, but it would be really cool! haha
Firstly, right off the bat (and I commented this on the 2nd episode of this over on XP to Level 3, in response to Spencer's "why is there a dragon?"): white dragon wyrmling in 3rd edition is the size of a house cat and its breath weapon does 1d6 damage, reflex save for half. WotC converted this module the lazy way.
56:40 do 2m(meters)=5ft(feet), it's the easiest conversion because a base MC character model is 2 blocks(m) tall, and it's abt the same range for attacks and stuff. I have thought A LOT about this.
I just realized that by watching the full VOD, I'm getting all the edited bits but I'm also missing the confessionals... crap. Do I watch both? Maybe...
If you're gonna delve into PF2e, then you gotta try "Little Trouble in Big Absalom". The Dungeon Delve crew was made for this. All I'm gonna say is **All Kobold Party**!
I would love a Dungeon Delve series on BG:DIA, just to see Jacob gush over Zariel despite her barely being in the module until the last quarter (if that much). A good DM (which Jacob is) could easily have her show up more, but I don’t think that’s the intention of Dungeon Delve.
At the mention of the tracking info part, 5e really isnt built for it, even with the Torch example you had people with the Light Cantrip, so you wouldnt ever need to track that, spells dont require actual components, you can just have a spell focus unless they cost gp in the material section. So many early things bypass resource requirements. If you have a Cleric, their spells are prepared at long rest and have access to all their spells. So they can just select cure disease, or Create food and water, ect at the long rest to provide everything. For this reason there should be no disease or starvation in any 5e world xD
Also, re: why the "a little longer" joke is so funny, I honestly thought it was a sexual innuendo of Stephen being a bad sub with Argent as the dom going "no, a little longer" as a discipline thing. In my defense, you guys literally made a dragonborn dragon dick joke that episode too
Ravenloft is ridiculous as a dungeon. My first experience with it was my dm updating the original dungeon for a 24 hour game. So when the 5e one came out I was super enthusiastic for it.
hot take here but, i like keeping track of resources and inventory, idk why people are so mean when people mention that rations, ammunition and components arent infinite
Spell components that don't have a gold value should be infinite as foci and the component pouch exist. These components are flavour and a little bit of mechanical requirement of having a specific item. Rations and ammunition tracking is an unloved child because a lot of people don't care about the nitty gritty of inventory keeping. Those people probably don't care about encumbrance. I personally think it depends on the campaign you are running. In my campaign, the rations the party has with them is their timer for how long they can stay in a certain area. I just don't track water for the purpose of ease but tracking rations is definitely needed for my purpose. And I'll die on this hill that tracking ammo is essentiell for any ranged PC as this is their only balance. Otherwise ranged is just so god damn powerful with all it's support. Needing to keep in mind that you only have 20 shots.
@@yarion4774 not all classes get component pouches or arcane focuses starting out, keeping track of ammunition and food is fun idk why ppl are so against it, it isnt even hard if u dont like it its like just buy a shit ton of rations if u dont wanna bother and ur golden. water tracking might be fun in a survival focused low level campaign, then again we must remember that dnd has many (sometimes too many) ways to mitigate these aspects of the game, which imo make the game a bit less enjoyable for specific purposes, which is actually the biggest reason i love jacobs fallout system and how much it goes into detail on resources and managing your gear
Hey all, as you can notice I goofed the aspect ratio during recording and everyone is squished. Whoops. Anyways hope you enjoy the episode! Also shoutout to Pepper for the amazing thumbnail lmao. - Jacob.
Ah, a podcast with all our good friends… and Stephen
Also, I would love to see a “Saving Private Meepo” challenge run of Sunless Citadel in which y’all have to bring Meepo through the entire dungeon with you guys and keep him alive
Pffteeben
Dungeon Delve feels like the fulcrum between the raw, unfiltered Critical Role and the highly edited, cinematic Dimension 20.
huge compliment, thank you
Great observation. I'm kinda shocked more actual play shows don't utilize this general formula.
- Most, if not all, of the fat/filler is trimmed out.
- Funnier/more memorable scenes are kept in unedited.
- Interview shots with the players to enhance what we just saw or are about to see.
I like the follow up discussion after the episode has come out. Makes the entire Dungeon Delve idea even better.
The new party enters Sunless Citadel, and a short man laden with damp bagpipes and frost bitten lips comes into view
“Who are you”
I….am Steve!
Dungeon Delve has to be some of the most entertaining dnd content I'v seen recently, the cutaway interview format is so engaging and I love the episode premises so far. Hope to see more! :)
27:10 I gotta throw out a mention for Panic at the Dojo as an indie-TTRPG to try. It's a TTRPG about seeing who can be the most anime character to ever anime punch, with the power of friendship and everything. A lot of the rules are something to the effect of "Do this, unless something else is more dramatic, then do the dramatic thing instead" I love it
56:40 the core rules for other languages often convert to Metric at 1.5m = 5ft so when building in minecraft you're working on a scale of three minecraft blocks for every two 5ft squares
Jack catching a mosquito and celebrating without making a sound so as not to interrupt Jacob is so respectful
I watched the one on an hour and 30 minute montage at least eight times already. Truly awesome content keep it up
Wasting resources made you prioritize, in theory, and kept the tension levels up. The main point of empty rooms was that older editions were a gane of exploration and risk management, and this made it feel like you were truly exploring an abandoned place. Modern d&d is not a game of exploration and risk management, it's a game of cool story telling, and while a couple of empty rooms are okay, the sheer number in this module risks it becoming boring. Neither model is better, they just have a different set of design principles, and are different types of game.
Ah, RIP, Meepo. So excited for the next installment of Dungeon Delve: The Sunless Citadel!
You guys keep putting down meppo, and I have built and played a kobolt named meppo, and he has been one of my favorite characters to play. Hers a bit of his back story. At a very young age, he was abandoned by his clan and left for dead. Found by a pack of wolves that took him in as one of their own, he grows up with his wolf brother. They became great avengers and an incredible par.
WOLF BROTHER MENTIONED??
I play dungeon crawl classics with some folks at work and I gave the wizard a skull that lets him up his success chance on spellcasts, but had a secret downside of exploding on a nat 1. he rolled a nat 1, it exploded, killed 2 of the party and every monster in the room. Best experience so far. It was crazy.
A Mario one shot would be so good
25:09 Stephen had very strong PH energy to him
I watched the XP to LVL 3 video, and that was a pretty great session. Thanks for the reminder I should watch the full video.
Meepo...
You should run a dungeon with Shadowdark at some point. The inventory space, torch timer, turn based exploration, and streamlined d20 rules are built for them. Old School Dnd with modern mechanics
I think it would be super cool to see you guys run Princes of the Apocalypse.
The idea to all play Mario characters reminds me of a one shot where we were all toads and had to save Mario and luigi after bowser got fed up with them saving peach.
The party was a grizzled guard that road a yoshii (calvary fighter)
A rogue that is part of a toad underground that wants to overthrow peach
A monk construction worker who is angry the mushroom kingdom is always getting destroyed
A stoner spores druid whose spores attacks were his weed smoke
And me a wild magic sorcerer who got lost in the code and has no idea how his powers work
When I ran Sunless Citadel a few years back I had the dragon climb the wall and sit between two of the trophy heads on the wall, a lion and a large goat, so it looked at a glance like a chimera.
If Emma doesn't mind playing disposable characters I recommend that she play a funnel adventure in Dungeon Crawl Classics.
Ive been following your channels for a while and have previously played some TTRPGs as a player but only recently became a DM. I was so happy to see you run a lvl 1 adventure module. On the day your dungeon delve of Sunless Citadel released, I was browsing the Monster Manual for something cool I could add to my Mines of Phandelver adventure. Since my players absolutely karate chopped every ambush and trap as it was written, I thought about spicing things up with a white dragon egg... Needless to say, your episode made me reconsider.
It's Steven with a "ph" - and all I can see is Phteven. Look it up - SFW. You guys are killing it with the retro modules. And now you know why we made up all our own dungeons back in 1980. Where's my graph paper?
Hi, I'm an audio listener, and just by chance turning the podcast back on after I had paused it, I was the Castle Ravenloft in minecraft bit and Jack making that face. My brain is now thinking over every time I've ever heard him use that inflection in his voice and filling it in with him making that face and suddenly everything makes so much sense.
I'd fucking LOVE a Pathfinder/Starfinder 2e episode, or even more content of it!
Yay, Jacob tries other systems than D&D! Really glad about that.
He MADE a whole system other than D&D lol
@ based on D&D lmao. If you want to be pedantic about it, then “D&D and D&D-clones”.
@@DimaJeydar I was under the impression that his system was based more on pathfinder but someone’d have to fact check that
@ still a D&D clone. I’m not saying that in a diminutive way, I’m genuinely glad when people try out other systems that do things differently.
Two Arcane lounge episode in one week? Yeppie
What might be a good attempt is like a preemptive plan, where your characters would probably know how long a torch will last. I have never tried this but a sense of stating ahead of time stating that you only have enough resources to explore x amount of rooms, or explore for y amount of days would be a better way; one way to maybe track this is with a tracker like the water level in forgotten island.
I am LOVING Dungeon Delve! Great idea, thanks for leaping into the space!
The first time I played the sunless citadel, I was with a group i just met. Half the team was tanks, so Meepo made it through the whole thing lol.
The crochet(or knitting) god(or goddess) has returned!!
Love the idea of you doing other games such as Pathfinder for the Dungeon Delves. I'm sure its not even on the your radar but would love to see you do a Shadowdark one-shot! Ether way keep up the good work guys. 👍
19:00 According to Gygax, in the very early days, "if you don't keep a track of time in the dungeon, there is no point in playing the game". But very early D&D had very different rules.
34:30 Hit, and knocked uncoscious. I don't think Mipo would try to kill her, she is the talisman of the tribe, the mission was to take her back.
40:31 It does "the dragon is the lucky talisman of the tribe". But no other information.
47:25 They raided each other pretty often. But yeah.
I can't get over how much your friend sounds like Matt Mercer. Like if I closed my eyes I'd just assume Matt was sitting down talking to Jacob.
IMO, empty rooms offer a safe place for adventurers to long rest. It greatly reduces the chance of them getting ambushed in their sleep. It could also be a place to retreat to if things go badly.
There was a tea shop based in Washington that worked with Pizo(spelling???) to make a bunch of teas inspired by the base classes for first edition Pathfinder like a decade ago(?).
The owner used synesthesia to make the blends taste like how the concepts of the classes taste to her.
Once again, this was fantastic!
Meepo, my beloved...
I tried this as a one shot on roll20 once which turned into a 2 shot due to overrunning. When we went to talk to the goblins only one of us knew how to speak Goblin. So they talked in my ear as we hid behind a small wall as I used message to tell that bard what to say 😂
Jacob thinking that watching it twice is crazy is hilarious, considering I'm pretty sure I've watched the whole thing through at LEAST 6 times since it came out lol. And don't even ask me how many times I watched the Tomb of Horrors video...
Im so hype to see you guys to The Avernus module in Baldurs Gate.
Warhammer had goblins in catapults in the early 80s.
@ 40:00
Isnt it established lore in Forgotten Realms that Kobolds only spawn into existence near the location of a dragon, from the dragons magic corrupting the land or something. The kobolds are basically a bacteria of the Dragons, some use them and some just find them annoying
Love the dungeon delve ❤
I can't remember with all the videos I've watched, is there a schedule for how often Dungeon Delve will happen? I'm really loving these massive multi-hour VODs
i think It would be cool to add health bars in the dungeon delve episodes! It’s so entertaining to watch, but I kinda struggle to tell who’s hurt or not! I’m not sure how to implement it, but it would be really cool! haha
Thank you Emma for the shout out
someone tell emma that her look is fire thanks
Firstly, right off the bat (and I commented this on the 2nd episode of this over on XP to Level 3, in response to Spencer's "why is there a dragon?"): white dragon wyrmling in 3rd edition is the size of a house cat and its breath weapon does 1d6 damage, reflex save for half. WotC converted this module the lazy way.
The way I WISH I could play with y'all is PALPABLE.
56:40 do 2m(meters)=5ft(feet), it's the easiest conversion because a base MC character model is 2 blocks(m) tall, and it's abt the same range for attacks and stuff. I have thought A LOT about this.
I just realized that by watching the full VOD, I'm getting all the edited bits but I'm also missing the confessionals... crap. Do I watch both? Maybe...
Yes.
Stephen cracked me up on the delve, poor Meepo😂
Please do a PF2E episode! I want to learn more about it so bad and you guys make everything fun and easy
If you're gonna delve into PF2e, then you gotta try "Little Trouble in Big Absalom". The Dungeon Delve crew was made for this. All I'm gonna say is **All Kobold Party**!
Wait, 158? The last time i was here we were on episode like 8
I would love a Dungeon Delve series on BG:DIA, just to see Jacob gush over Zariel despite her barely being in the module until the last quarter (if that much). A good DM (which Jacob is) could easily have her show up more, but I don’t think that’s the intention of Dungeon Delve.
I knew Stephen was St. Cloud
At the mention of the tracking info part, 5e really isnt built for it, even with the Torch example you had people with the Light Cantrip, so you wouldnt ever need to track that, spells dont require actual components, you can just have a spell focus unless they cost gp in the material section. So many early things bypass resource requirements. If you have a Cleric, their spells are prepared at long rest and have access to all their spells. So they can just select cure disease, or Create food and water, ect at the long rest to provide everything. For this reason there should be no disease or starvation in any 5e world xD
Woo starfinder 2e mention!
Also, re: why the "a little longer" joke is so funny, I honestly thought it was a sexual innuendo of Stephen being a bad sub with Argent as the dom going "no, a little longer" as a discipline thing. In my defense, you guys literally made a dragonborn dragon dick joke that episode too
Thanks, again, gamers
Ravenloft is ridiculous as a dungeon. My first experience with it was my dm updating the original dungeon for a 24 hour game.
So when the 5e one came out I was super enthusiastic for it.
I am become Meepo.
.... Torches last 10 minutes?
In 5e, they last an hour
hot take here but, i like keeping track of resources and inventory, idk why people are so mean when people mention that rations, ammunition and components arent infinite
Spell components that don't have a gold value should be infinite as foci and the component pouch exist. These components are flavour and a little bit of mechanical requirement of having a specific item.
Rations and ammunition tracking is an unloved child because a lot of people don't care about the nitty gritty of inventory keeping. Those people probably don't care about encumbrance.
I personally think it depends on the campaign you are running. In my campaign, the rations the party has with them is their timer for how long they can stay in a certain area. I just don't track water for the purpose of ease but tracking rations is definitely needed for my purpose.
And I'll die on this hill that tracking ammo is essentiell for any ranged PC as this is their only balance. Otherwise ranged is just so god damn powerful with all it's support. Needing to keep in mind that you only have 20 shots.
@@yarion4774 not all classes get component pouches or arcane focuses starting out, keeping track of ammunition and food is fun idk why ppl are so against it, it isnt even hard if u dont like it its like just buy a shit ton of rations if u dont wanna bother and ur golden. water tracking might be fun in a survival focused low level campaign, then again we must remember that dnd has many (sometimes too many) ways to mitigate these aspects of the game, which imo make the game a bit less enjoyable for specific purposes, which is actually the biggest reason i love jacobs fallout system and how much it goes into detail on resources and managing your gear
I would pay a unbelievable amount of money for Pepper to be a narrator from all my games I play ( sorry if that is not the correct spell of you name)
MEEPO NOOOOOO
I didn't expect my comment to be the top comment on the post! Love y'all so much! ❤
...and Stephen 🫠
Spoilers****
The fact Mepo just whiffed anyway is hilarious.
It bugs me a small amount that everyone’s (the comments) only frame of reference for confessionals is “mockumentaries like the office”
What's next!
Honk shoo nap time 💤
If it was easier to track I would be anal retentive enough to track torches, arrows, all that. I'm sure there's an app for it.
Meepo dying is a canon event unfortunately. If you change it, you could damage reality! Stephen might rise from the grave and kill Meepo themselves!
Meepo survived when I ran it. He levelled up and became a Rogue
I watched this first