What the Hell was Dickinsonia?!

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    Dickinsonia is one of the most famous pre-cambrian fossils known. But it's also ridiculously simple, to the point that for a long time researchers only had a poor understanding of what it might have been.
    Recently though with new fossils and new methods light has begun to get shined on the identity of Dickinsonia.
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  • @jozsef6453
    @jozsef6453 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2223

    My question is who is Sonia? 🤨

    • @nonsequitor
      @nonsequitor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      Surely you mean Shirley....but don't call me that 😉😂

    • @undergroundman1993
      @undergroundman1993 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

      I’ll do you one better!
      Why is Sonia?

    • @ronanclark2129
      @ronanclark2129 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      She was the best ice skater of her time

    • @tuxuhds6955
      @tuxuhds6955 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      1:32 Not sure but Ezi says she wasn't bi so that limits the options.

    • @federicogiana7430
      @federicogiana7430 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As the automatic subtitles keep addressing her as "dicking Sonia", she must be a quite lively girl.

  • @Makem12
    @Makem12 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +662

    It hurts my heart whenever a fossil gets destroyed, even if it's for science.

    • @davidhollenshead4892
      @davidhollenshead4892 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't unless it was an animal that was conscious and it died horribly like mammals in the tar pits. After all, without death there can be no complex life, and without sudden geological events, we would have no fossils...

    • @SoulDelSol
      @SoulDelSol 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I think it's bc it represents that someday you will too

    • @Odrikah
      @Odrikah 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

      ​@@SoulDelSolFor me it's just a shame, like "Oh it lasted all this time. And now... *Poof*." Like seeing a priceless antique getting shattered. So much history just to end unceremoniously. It's like the creature is finally, truly dying, for good.

    • @SoulDelSol
      @SoulDelSol 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      @@Odrikah ya it makes it millions of years and then boop joe touches it and it's gone. Hurt when isis destroyed ancient megalithic sites..

    • @Hectonkhyres
      @Hectonkhyres 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SoulDelSol I don't particularly care about myself: I'm a disposable sack of meat whose passing will be unnoticed, easily replaced by any of the billions marching one step behind me. The last relic of something barely understood, potentially something so poorly represented that we might never understand it, is something *far* more important than a random retail-monkey like myself.

  • @6amsunset_
    @6amsunset_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +255

    "what the hell was dickinsonia" the peak of life on earth thats what it was. we should've never evolved past that

    • @jackkraken3888
      @jackkraken3888 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Except its Kryptoinite was mud slides.

    • @WackadoodleMalarkey
      @WackadoodleMalarkey 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Jumped the shark before the first fish

    • @borghorsa1902
      @borghorsa1902 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We might go back to that stage, Universe doesn't owe us anything

  • @TheAnimalKingdom-tq3sz
    @TheAnimalKingdom-tq3sz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +266

    Ah yes, Our greatest ancestor was a disk

    • @Crustaceous
      @Crustaceous 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I want this on a t-shirt

    • @aidenmartin6674
      @aidenmartin6674 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      It knew how to lie flat and take it easy. It’s an inspiration to us all.

    • @Ozymandius_corn_maze
      @Ozymandius_corn_maze 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Return to disk

    • @oberonpanopticon
      @oberonpanopticon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Or possibly a bag. It’s hard to tell from what’s basically a footprint / impression of a flattened corpse

    • @StuffandThings_
      @StuffandThings_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Ah, to be a slime disk gobbling up bacteria mats in a primordial ocean

  • @RickRaptor105
    @RickRaptor105 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    I hardly knew her

    • @YUN6_V3NUZ
      @YUN6_V3NUZ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i only knew her from the time we spent in your bed

    • @madmax0103
      @madmax0103 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I found her face embedded in rock, she looked like a shell

  • @Titus-as-the-Roman
    @Titus-as-the-Roman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +378

    Crawling around on the sea floor absorbing nutrients from bacterial mats directly through a permeable membrane was probably a fairly efficient feeding strategy, that is until the Bacteria did a bit of mutating and found It now had an excellent food source in Dickinsonia. There's always some Joker wanting to breakup the good times.

    • @lacklvster4512
      @lacklvster4512 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's really probably not what happened. During the cambrian explosion many animals turned to burrowing behaviors to evade the newly evolved predators, this ended up breaking up the microbial mat which dickinsonia probably fed on, incorperating the microbes into the previously anoxic soil and creating the microbe-rich soil we know today. sadly the last dickinsonia most likely starved to death

    • @melody3741
      @melody3741 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Wtf is that emoji???

    • @Titus-as-the-Roman
      @Titus-as-the-Roman 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@melody3741 it's a sudden WTF

    • @miatatommy2000
      @miatatommy2000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      But hey it's a living 😂😂😂😂😂!

    • @Bob-of-Zoid
      @Bob-of-Zoid 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      They evolved to be 🥞pancake like, but too many algae evolved into syrups that made them mushy and easily damaged! 😢 Poor critters!😭🥞

  • @gustavderkits8433
    @gustavderkits8433 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +168

    The sterol study did compare the on-specimen versus nearby matrix measures and did find contrast

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      Yes, but some researchers since then have questioned the results. I still feel they're probably valid, but didn't want to rely too much on my personal feelings on the study

    • @SuperPhunThyme9
      @SuperPhunThyme9 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Those are good principles to hold. Respect for that @@RaptorChatter

  • @artofescapism
    @artofescapism 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +167

    Ediacaran creatures are so fascinating, particularly because this was a time before the tree of life was pruned down, so there are body plans and lifestyles we wouldn't even recognize today! Fascinating video and research!

    • @Max._Power
      @Max._Power 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      and apparently much like the even earlier huainan biota (of which almost nothing or absolutely nothing is related to anything alive today) , very little of it is actually related to things alive today

    • @steventhompson399
      @steventhompson399 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Edicaran flora or fauna or "biota" or whatever they were are really strange and different from most life I've heard of today, very weird, I first heard of it from a BBC in our time episode and I was like, what the hell were these things?

  • @janetchennault4385
    @janetchennault4385 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    In Mycology, we were told that part of the definition of "fungi" was that they were all sessile. The motion of Dickinsonia would therefore rule out it being a fungus.

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Fair enough! Considering the common ancestor I would question where that delineates early on though. For example corals spend most of their lives sessile, and even fungi spores can be fairly mobile depending on the environment. So I think there'd need to be more specific language, such as sessile as an adult, without a significant separately independently motile period.

    • @janetchennault4385
      @janetchennault4385 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Since I wrote that Comment, I have been concerned that there were motile spores in fungi...and it turns out that there are (as you point out). Some fungi have zoospores that have flagella. So while "sessile as an adult" is more accurate, that does not hold water (so to speak) in an evolutionary sense, because the motile form might have been the dominant one, half a billion years ago. Darn. I wanted to rule out one Kingdom...

  • @tompeace7907
    @tompeace7907 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    I, just the other day, got a fossil called Andiva. At first, scientists thought that it was just a large form of Dickinsonia. However, now they think that it is a related, slightly more evolved species. Great video on one of the first (likely) animals!

  • @zythe69akaru
    @zythe69akaru 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Evolution doesn't make perfect, it makes good enough... man, what a weirdly inspirational thought. Thank you, and thanks Dickinsonia

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      And evolution doesn't redesign things that get in the way along it's path.
      Think of the recurrent laryngeal nerve. It goes down the neck, under the aorta, and back up. Not an issue in fish, where it can go directly from the brain straight down to the gills. But as animals developed necks and the head and heart moved away from each other, the nerve followed. A redesign would bring it straight to the larynx, but that would mean completely redesigning it's development, and evolution doesn't do that.

    • @helenamcginty4920
      @helenamcginty4920 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was told by a Jehovas witness that I was designed by god. I mentioned that our spines are not designed to be upright. And, Ben Elton's favourite, spectacles.
      She came up with ' the devil did that' as her response. 😂😂😂😂

  • @Ezekiel_Allium
    @Ezekiel_Allium 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    The head-first development is _really_ panarthropod-like, which is the most unusually part for me. so many weirdos in groups like crustaceans are essentially born as heads that grow their body out behind them as their metamorphosis. And looking at Tardigrades, they have basically reduced themselves down to being just a head for their whole life.
    Not saying these were panarthropods or even especially related to then, but it's a pretty weird parallel to notice.

    • @jfangm
      @jfangm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Convergent evolution, maybe?

    • @Ezekiel_Allium
      @Ezekiel_Allium 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@jfangm most likely in my opinion. Who knows though

  • @tmad-sb6mj
    @tmad-sb6mj 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I'm a big fan of Dickinsonia...

  • @scvcebc
    @scvcebc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

    I think that bilateral animals could have evolved when a flat, 2 layer animal like Placozoa rolled into a tube. The Placozoa top layer became the ectoderm and the Placozoa bottom (food absorbing layer) became the endoderm, or gut tube.

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Not an unreasonable hypothesis

    • @Ezekiel_Allium
      @Ezekiel_Allium 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I always imagined it more like they folded into a cup shape, with one orifice like we see on pre-bilateral animals like cnidarians and ctenophores, and then that cup shape pinched together in the middle to form the two orifices of bilateral animals, and the specialization of those two orifices leading to the protostome-deuterostome split (Probably spelled those two wrong but you know what I mean lol)

    • @user-bz6hu4fo5x
      @user-bz6hu4fo5x 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So, according to your hypothesis, ctenophora and cnidaria developed their tissues independently from bilateria? According to molecular data, ctenophora are not related with bilateria, while still having ecto and endoderm.

    • @Tyra-2534
      @Tyra-2534 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@user-bz6hu4fo5xI think, the ctenophores are maybe a kind of a sister Group to the bilaterians. And the ctenophores are in fact the only multicellular animals, who are moving with ciliates, wich is normally typical for some one cellular organisms.
      Maybe there is a kind of closer relationship between some Ediacara animals and the ctenophores? I wouldn't wonder....

    • @user-bz6hu4fo5x
      @user-bz6hu4fo5x 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Tyra-2534ctenophora are indeed not bilateria. Whether they are sister or cousin group is discussionable. My point is, animals developed tissues before bilateria appeared, even sponges (in particular homocelomorphyal (i hope it is the right name) sponges) have something similar to epithelium without some of its proteins tho. (And there's also some plat worms which locomotes with cilia, but it is secondary adaptation) Hypothesis I've been told in uni is a suggestion that first bilateria used to be quite a complex organisms with caelom, limbs, nervous system, and segmented body.

  • @carolynallisee2463
    @carolynallisee2463 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    Nature really did like to experiment, didn't it? Not content with just picking a kind of symmetry and trying out body plans from it, it actually experimented with different body symmetries to start with! One has to wonder what life would have been like if trilateral radial had taken off, though...

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nature is not a sentient being, it's not content of anything, it's just evolution, it was the start of the life, all niches were free, so species evolved in all directions, and given they were not ordered yet, they tried for different orders ˆˆ

    • @jemborg
      @jemborg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      The aliens in Clark's _Rendezvous with Rama_ had trilateral symmetry.

    • @tree_alone
      @tree_alone 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jemborg also the Old Ones

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Life doesn't experiment, it throws everything on the wall and sees what sticks. Or rather, what survives.

    • @nachoijp
      @nachoijp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@HappyBeezerStudios that's a rudimentary form of an experiment though

  • @octavianova1300
    @octavianova1300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    The possibility that's most intriguing to me is that Dickinsonia and other Ediacaran specimens represent stem-metazoans, that is to say, animals from a line that diverged at some point before the most recent common ancestor of all living animal species.

  • @thorstenkrug144
    @thorstenkrug144 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    Aloha. Dickinsonia Was 100% an animal. There are protein Fragmentes in that rocks that are proof of it. Was hard to extract and analyse but worked out well. Only true animals have that protein. ❤

    • @threebythestreet
      @threebythestreet 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Wow! Were you part of the team who was studying the dickansonia fossil? That is so cool!

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      Not sure if you were one of the ones who studied it, but I would generally agree based on that paper. I have heard critiques of it and without being "in the know" for Ediacaran paleo I didn't want my personal feelings to interact with this video. I think I did a decent job of presenting multiple lines of evidence that it was an animal though.

    • @Shadoweknows76
      @Shadoweknows76 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True animals made by fallen angels?. God of the Bi bell is lucifer and he put his hands on everything including his son ya.sonia
      Bright Mourning star fallen from ✡️ heaven. All stars are fallen angels. Elohim is most High of diety God's. Yaweh is serpent worship. Lord means baal worship. Amen is ra amenra God is gad gadreel fallen angels. Unless you already knew this, our creator Aravat 2nd Enoch 20:3 is the true Creators name. He arrives in months for judgment day

    • @threebythestreet
      @threebythestreet 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Shadoweknows76 So are you saying God made Dickinsonia?

    • @threebythestreet
      @threebythestreet 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Shadoweknows76 Or are you saying that fallen angles created dickinsonia?

  • @bobhotchkiss2438
    @bobhotchkiss2438 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Immediate spectulation. They got the head and tail mixed up. The head is actually the other end. This creature would grow by developing a biased division in the wide segment at the back, and that process alternated from left to right. It had a growth pattern similar to a modern tapeworm, and as it grew larger the new segments grew larger. It used suction to hold it to the sea flood in the intertidal zone, where the photosynthetic mats it would feed upon were the most plentiful. The niche it occupied is now exploited by the sand dollar.

    • @Electrolux219
      @Electrolux219 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Come to think of it, it kinda looks like a sand dollar too. Might be something.

    • @mario97br
      @mario97br 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes that's the comment I was looking for

  • @EvilSnips
    @EvilSnips 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I don't know why it is so hard to believe that bilaterians evolved from creatures like Dickinsonia. Charnia to Dickinsonia to Spriggina to something like a Trilobite or annelid worm convinces me quite a lot. Maybe the glide symmetry turned into bilateral symmetry?

  • @DogFoxHybrid
    @DogFoxHybrid 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Johnny Cage's favorite fossil

  • @OlessanYT
    @OlessanYT 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Only tangentially related, but I love how the sandy background of the art in the thumbnail makes that specific dickinsonia look city-sized at thumbnail resolution. lol

  • @yfrontsguy
    @yfrontsguy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    One of your best videos yet ! Keep up the good work !! The ediacran organisms are wonderful !!

  • @socialistrepublicofvietnam1500
    @socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Bro, whoever has their Dickinsonia has been rock hard for hundreds of millions of years 💀

  • @Hellbender8574
    @Hellbender8574 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    How do you think Dickinsonia moved? Was it more of a crawl (scrunch and stretch), a slither (alternately tensing its segments back and forth), or a flappy motion (as it lifted itself off the bottom a bit)? Could they have been able to glide in the water?

    • @the_blue_jay_raptor
      @the_blue_jay_raptor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Warping Time and Space

    • @TheRedKnight101
      @TheRedKnight101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      It may have been similar to a planaria, using primarily cilia for movement

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I could see them sort of vavy motion. If the "head" had any nervous center it might send the movement signal along the body and each segment does it's thing in line.

    • @lick28
      @lick28 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Back and forth

    • @mattcy6591
      @mattcy6591 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I imagine it like a centipede with "webbed feet"

  • @shroomzzz
    @shroomzzz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Thanks for sharing! The Ediacaran is one of the most interesting to me. Everything looked so alien. I imagine that life in Europa's ocean would be similar.The part about the cholesterol is new to me and i havent heard anyone else discuss this. Thanks!

  • @Talmorne
    @Talmorne 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    We have some lovely Ediacaran fossil sites in Australia at the Flinders Ranges, went there for a geology field trip and got to meet one of the paleontologists who was working on one of the sites! SO many Dickinsonia at that site along with a bunch of Spriggina and you could see the ripples in the sand!
    (Also we pronounce it Edi-ac-aran here in Australia, I almost didn't understand what word you were saying from how you pronounced it XD)

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I've heard Ediacaran pronounced so many ways I have just decided to commit to one. If I ever teach a class I'll say all of them in one class and if students complain I'll tell them that's the reality of pronunciation in paleontology lol

    • @hankdewit7548
      @hankdewit7548 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@RaptorChatter Talmorne is correct about the pronunciation. I'm from South Australia and familiar with the Flinders Ranges. The Edicara Hills were named from an Aboriginal word. The emphasis on the mddle part of the word is typical of many localities in the Flinders, eg ArkaRoola, WilPena. I found this YT video which is close, albeit with an American accent. m.th-cam.com/video/LdvYxdjlMig/w-d-xo.html . Love your videos though.

    • @jemborg
      @jemborg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@RaptorChatter not good enough 😠

    • @xXr0tt3nXx
      @xXr0tt3nXx 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@RaptorChatter Ediacaran was so named after the Ediacara Hills in South Australia. Ediacara is the local Aboriginal word for a water spring. So you might commit to the wrong pronunciation like Americans do with a lot of English words. But it's not English and as my heritage is from the area and the people I find it offensive.

    • @hankdewit7548
      @hankdewit7548 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@xXr0tt3nXx It's your choice to be offended. No one here is trying to offend. We all just want to learn.

  • @CallixGaming
    @CallixGaming 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Nature’s first Roomba

  • @giovannia.casula2542
    @giovannia.casula2542 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    They really couldnt give it a better name? It's 2 letters away from being very cursed

    • @fabiof.8152
      @fabiof.8152 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      How could it be even more cursed than it already is?

    • @poogissploogis
      @poogissploogis 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Forgive my density, but what two letters?

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      They named it in honour of Ben Dickinson, a Mines director who directed the ministry where the founder worked.
      If there's people who can live with being called Dickinson, I don't see why it should be different for fossils XD

    • @dboot8886
      @dboot8886 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@krankarvolund7771 Look, he could have been named Glasscock, he could've been named Buttz, he could've been named Gaylord Focker.
      A funny name is a funny name😅

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@krankarvolund7771 We have a planet called Uranus, which isn't an issue in latin, but with the right accent the name becomes a huge immature joke.
      Good thing is, we only have to wait 597 years until it will be renamed.
      To Urectum

  • @cyrus8886
    @cyrus8886 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Don't make the joke !
    don't make the joke !
    don't make the joke !

    • @enderman_666
      @enderman_666 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      *AHEM*
      who’s Sonia?

    • @Makem12
      @Makem12 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I told my wife a moment ago that I want to go see a Dickinsonia at the museum and I got a priceless WTF look😂

  • @dahmc59
    @dahmc59 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    in plant biology, one identifying factor is the node arrangement on the stem. There are several more than i mention, but two very common ones are "opposite" vs "alternate". This life form appears to have the alternate form like hollies, camelias and oaks. Some examples of the opposite would be maples, boxwoods, ligustrums, tea olive and crape myrtles. Maybe this alternate form of growth could give us a clue?

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe. Unfortunately we have very few early plant fossils, and the examples you gave are angiosperms, which didn't evolve for at least several hundreds of millions of years afterwards (this is before even mosses existed on land), so it's not that likely. Still it could be possible with some of that symmetry that it was related to plants somewhat, I think the chemical analysis is pretty solid though.

  • @thewall4069
    @thewall4069 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hits different when you're a pokemon fan

  • @charlesjmouse
    @charlesjmouse 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Thank you for this interesting take on the enigmatic Dickinsonia, and indeed Spriggina!
    I look on their 'pesudo-bilateralism' and have long thought "I bet these aren't animals, at least not in the sense one would commonly understand." I also find it hard to believe their seeming 'alternating segments' are a taphonomic artefact. What, every example?
    What hadn't occurred to me is that they may be showing a step along the way to becoming truly bilateral, something to think about.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wonder how they go to true bilateral symmetry. Would the segments shift along until they are in pairs, or would each segment start growing on both sides of the body.

  • @Lefteyehawk
    @Lefteyehawk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    thank you sonia.... i never will get this out of my head.

  • @jamesdownard1510
    @jamesdownard1510 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice video. I recommend including source links for the technical works being discussed, so viewers can more easily do their own follow-ups (I do that in the link sections for my Evolution Hour stuff. In this case the obvious one would be:
    Bobrovskiy, Ilya, Janet M. Hope, Andrey Ivantsov, Benjamin J. Nettersheim, Christian Hallmann, & Jochen J. Brocks. 2018. “Ancient steroids establish the Ediacaran fossil Dickinsonia as one of the earliest animals.” Science 361 (21 September): 1246-1249.

  • @theangrysuchomimus5163
    @theangrysuchomimus5163 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I don't pretend to know the answer to what Dickinsonia is, but it does look like a transition from some kind of placozoan/radial animal toward bilaterals.

  • @rursus8354
    @rursus8354 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    An alga is just a photosyntetic organism in water. It is not a clade. Claiming that kelp is algae, essentially says nothing. They are brown algae, which is the clade Phaeophyceae. And land plants are algae too, namely Green Algae, that belong to the new clade Plantae. Some "algae" are plants, some aren't, so one cannot distinguish plants from "algae" like mutually exclusive groupings.

    • @madsgrams2069
      @madsgrams2069 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Most researchers consider all algae to be basal plants. Also, the different groups of algae are all more closely related to each other than to...anything else in the domain of life, so they absolutely do form a clade. Their photosynthetic life-style is ancestral, it's not a case of convergent evolution, even if not all of them use chlorophyl for the process.

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I will say specifically, as far as I know it's the green algae which are basal to plants. red-brown algae are kinda their own closely related thing.

    • @TheRedKnight101
      @TheRedKnight101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RaptorChatter Red algae are also ancestral to plants, brown algae evolved due to secondary endosymbiosis where their ancestor engulfed an ancient red algae. Brown algae are stramenopiles a group of "protists" that include kelp, diatoms, and oomycetes.

    • @lyokianhitchhiker
      @lyokianhitchhiker 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Back when protists were a thing, "algae" was used for all the plant-like species

  • @bigtub1101
    @bigtub1101 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    first read the thumbnail as “Dickensona” like a sona from Charles Dickens. but learning about animals with radial and glide symmetry is so woah!

  • @Dylan-vd6rz
    @Dylan-vd6rz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Did he ask Sonia for consent first tho?

  • @RalseiGaming
    @RalseiGaming 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don’t know a ton about dickinsonia but is it possible it could be a sea pen relative that freely floated because they have been found near or next to crinoid fossils

  • @thedragonthatlovesskittles7132
    @thedragonthatlovesskittles7132 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A joke to make my aunt in law laugh her ass off.

  • @alfenito
    @alfenito 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Maybe I missed it, but I don't think you ever defined 'glide symmetry'. Helpful for those of us who aren't Paleontologists.

    • @SnoFitzroy
      @SnoFitzroy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He doesn't have to define "glide symmetry" because it's an extremely obvious term that has nothing to do with paleontology. You should be able to intuit that it's imperfect symmetry characterized by one of the sides being slightly offset. Like this is a phrase with its definition built-in

    • @alfenito
      @alfenito 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      No need to be snotty about it, @@SnoFitzroy. Sorry, but the definition is not 'built in'. Yes, I gathered what he meant, but it would have been nice to have had it confirmed. 'Glide symmetry' conjures a different image in my mind. If the term were something like 'offset symmetry' or 'staggered symmetry', that has a built in definition. But there's nothing about 'gliding' that carries anything of the notion of being offset. Quite the opposite, actually. 'Glide' only implies forward motion under no power. You could equally call it 'walking symmetry' or 'running symmetry' or 'crawling' symmetry. All are equally as obtuse as 'glide symmetry'.

  • @menriquez89
    @menriquez89 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely, great video. Subscribed.
    As a performer, I also don’t give a shit what my hair looks like often, and I have gotten into hats as a tool for lookin a bit better.

  • @trippyliquids
    @trippyliquids 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    very cool. also, kelp is not a plant, just a big algae?!? i was today years old when i learned this

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yep, it's technically a species of red-brown algae

  • @chsovi7164
    @chsovi7164 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    could it possibly be that it evolved from a bilateral animal then stopped being bilateral? that could explain why it's so unusual. maybe its ancestor had a bunch of symmetrical segments but then its body flattened and every second segment after the head grew laterally in a different direction to the previous

  • @trentenmerrill5239
    @trentenmerrill5239 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let's fuckin goo bebe! I always look forward to your uploads. Love your channel bro! It is hard to pick a favorite TH-cam channel... But yours is high on my list. No contest.

  • @spaghetti_dm
    @spaghetti_dm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ah, yes, Dickinsonia, Penispersona, Phallusfamiliarus, how could I forget?

  • @bluezebra2759
    @bluezebra2759 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Dickinsonia?! I barely knew her!

  • @DickGallo-dk7wi
    @DickGallo-dk7wi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It was Sonia's special evening.

  • @ninalehman9054
    @ninalehman9054 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the apparent bilateral symmetry. And it also looks like it has segments. Single-sided segments?

  • @fburton8
    @fburton8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Bonus question: What the Dickens is Hellinsonia?

  • @thedoruk6324
    @thedoruk6324 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    It has the best name ever ! ...right after *amorphus globosus*

  • @platedlizard
    @platedlizard 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’ve got to defend the researcher who theorized they were lichen a tad (he’s my dads friend, I have to lol). Lichen, theoretically at least, doesn’t have to live on land. Lichen isn’t a particular type of life after all, it’s a group I’d symbionts from vastly different kingdoms. Lichen may look like a primitive plant but they are not. Lichen are made up of at least one type of algae, fungus, and yeast, but often they have multiple species of each. All three, fungus, algae, and yeast, can live in water which theoretically means there could be a type of ocean dwelling lichen. I haven’t talked to Greg Rucka about it so I don’t know if that was his argument, but that seems somewhat plausible to me. Personally I think he’s wrong here, I think it’s far more likely they are animals, but if you don’t challenge theories and present new hypothesis then science can’t move forward.

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's totally fair. I do still think it would be odd for such early evolution of complex symbiotes, but that is true, all of them can live in salt water.

  • @duhduhvesta
    @duhduhvesta 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love this era of time ❤ more please

    • @duhduhvesta
      @duhduhvesta 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Struggle with glide symmetry

  • @james14294
    @james14294 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sorry, but I think the internet has broken me, my first thought seeing this video title was "What the Hell was Dickinsonia?!"... "Dickinsonia face.. . gottem"

  • @rickwilliams967
    @rickwilliams967 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've never even considered a beehive to be simple...

  • @ethanrowlette9912
    @ethanrowlette9912 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video but you gotta work on those outros bro maybe add like 15 seconds of outro music with source data or attributions the video just ended so suddenly I was like " oh thats it?" it made sense to end there don't get me wrong but it was still surprising

  • @shooter2224
    @shooter2224 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I cannot believe they named it that

  • @dessertstorm7476
    @dessertstorm7476 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what time was this thing around?

  • @brutusmagnuson315
    @brutusmagnuson315 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don’t know, but Sonia is always really happy about it.

  • @deeespinal9666
    @deeespinal9666 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The title is self explanatory

  • @jfangm
    @jfangm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Personally, I wonder if Ediacaran life is even related to modern life in any way. It might have been sort of an alpha test for complex life (if we think of the Cambrian as the beta, ala TierZoo), with nearly all of those organisms proving unsuccessful and dying out.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      So having two origins of life on earth, with the failed ediacaran experiment, and a second one that leads to today's life? OR with another start for complex life that comes from the same unicellular origen?

    • @jfangm
      @jfangm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @HappyBeezerStudios
      Probably something akin to the former. Like two separate trees of life, branched off from the same common eukareotic organism, existing and evolving at the same time. One produces the Ediacaran biota and the other the Cambrian biota. The stem-Cambrians were obviously the more successful in this hypothetical scenario. However, some Ediacarans may have survived to become extant species. Maybe someday we'll find transitional fossils of the period in between.

  • @MK_ULTRA420
    @MK_ULTRA420 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I still think of Dickinsonia as a meme when I see or hear the word, like updog or ligma.

  • @ChainsawDunDeez
    @ChainsawDunDeez 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great presentation... I was wondering do bilateral animals have a hox gene that makes us bilateral , rather then have near bilateral glide symmetry like our potental animal ancestors had...also how that perhaps explains why some animals favour left and right , why some organs ( eg : Heart not being in the centre of our bodies) etc...

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some animals give up their bilateral form during their life. Think of starfish, their larvae are free swimming and bilateral. The "bottom" of the adult starfish is the left side of the larva. Their closest relatives are sea urchins and sea cucumbers, followed by a type of worm and then us chordata.

  • @garryferrington811
    @garryferrington811 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Dickensonia" is the people who watch Patrick Dickenson's "wild camp" videos.

  • @Verdessa1273
    @Verdessa1273 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    it's the tully monster's rug

  • @rmweidner7596
    @rmweidner7596 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've gotta' admit it: when I read the title, the first response in my mind was, "It's how Sonia got pregnant."

  • @commanderdodo1806
    @commanderdodo1806 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ediacaran video? Let’s goooo!

  • @ClickClack_Bam
    @ClickClack_Bam 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    There's the half-brother of Dickinsideya

  • @danielrobinson7872
    @danielrobinson7872 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Unfortunate name for a fossil. There is no way they didn’t immediately notice the potential sex joke.

  • @Zedigan
    @Zedigan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great vid

  • @hdufort
    @hdufort 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What if we're wrong about glide symmetry? What if what we consider left and right, are in fact up and down? What if instead of living flat on the ocean floor like a sand dollar, they were floating vertically just above the ocean floor / algal mat, with a maximized two-sided surface for filtering nutrients floating in the water?

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It could be something like the myomers of segmentation in fish, but based on everything we see they weren't really moving in the water column for that idea. There's been a lot of debate about these organisms, and that has been proposed, but in Dickinsonia there's no evidence of a holdfast which would actually make that lifestyle work.

    • @hdufort
      @hdufort 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RaptorChatter Did we know if there were any free-floating complex/large organisms? Life without a holdfast would have been very hazardous though, since they had no real muscular fibers... But if other ediacaran organisms used their segments as pneumatic systems to rise from the ocean floor and "float", then what was the purpose of the similar pneumatic system in Dickinsonia?

    • @slizzysluzzer
      @slizzysluzzer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No. We have feeding trace fossils for Dickinsonia.

  • @austinduvall2422
    @austinduvall2422 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly though it reminds me of some type of Isopod. Like for instance its is almost similar to Orthione griffenis Or Griffen's isopod.

  • @loowick4074
    @loowick4074 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What in what?

  • @X1Y0Z0
    @X1Y0Z0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks! Intersting

  • @karbachok
    @karbachok 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope to see a video about Vetulicolia

  • @alixsprallix
    @alixsprallix 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video

  • @soniamargarida6524
    @soniamargarida6524 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This was very hard to watch as someone named Sonia!

  • @nothereanymore3941
    @nothereanymore3941 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Dickinsonia? I barely know her!

  • @HYDROCARBON_XD
    @HYDROCARBON_XD 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think it’s more likely that proarticulatans were originally bilaterian and then slowly had glide symmetry,some bilaterian fossils are found before most proarticulatans existed,thus this is more likely

  • @tristenarctician6910
    @tristenarctician6910 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    who makes these names?

  • @mencken8
    @mencken8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Going back this far in the fossil record and evolutionary tree, this becomes extremely speculative.

  • @injunsun
    @injunsun 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just my opinion: No organism is radially symmetrical. Anything described that way can be bisected into two equal halves, once one knows where its seam starts. Starfish start out obviously bilateral, then merely appear radially symmetrical, while one arm contains the genitals, thus, cut in half through that arm, they are still bilateral. Flowers that appear radially symmetrical come from stems that are not, from seeds that are not. Follow their growth from the start, and you can bisect odd-petaled flowers perfectly. All that said, this creature, made to give delicate pedicures, is obviously a bilateral animal, as the impressions left behind would not have been done by a plant, nor do fungi typically move (and this is obviously not a slime mold). It would be cool if it ends up being one of our ancestors, but I am betting more it's not going to lead to deuterostomes. It looks like a bug.
    BTW, as an uncle many times over, let me just say, the eye roll thing you do unconsciously, for emphasis of ideas? It's adorable, and works well. So few people do this. I am sure that means something. Oy, if someone was of an age, single and looking...
    (Then, as I was leaving, subbing, I saw your link for Gaza aid... Who would not adore you?)

  • @ICANHAZKILLZ
    @ICANHAZKILLZ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "no animal is perfect"
    UHHHH the Horseshoe Crab??? Flawless being. 445 million years of non-evolution. Gods perfect creation.

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They've actually changed a lot. Within that 445 million years there's a ton of diversity in horseshoe crabs

  • @aaronmoravek
    @aaronmoravek 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dickinsonia has bilateral symmetry, you merely need to look at it from its side.

  • @intellectually_lazy
    @intellectually_lazy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you are the first person to say cambrian explosion without singing it in over a decade. congratulations

    • @intellectually_lazy
      @intellectually_lazy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      like how now $ is pronounced munn - ee

  • @nameless5413
    @nameless5413 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    it reminds of a smart saying" in enviroment of controlled humidity, temperature and nutrition, every life form dose whatever the hell it wants".
    That is how evolution realy works i think, lots of random trail and failures untill something gives enough of an edge to someone and than we get massive extinction because oxygen came in to the world and noone was ready. (or other much less devastating events)

  • @Poltard
    @Poltard 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The prehistoric frisby

  • @zombiedad
    @zombiedad 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow. Interesting. Thanks

  • @patrickshepherd1341
    @patrickshepherd1341 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What was dickinsonia? Bring me sonia and I'll show ya!

  • @krrowthemyuii
    @krrowthemyuii 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It looks like a mushroom coral. I looked at pictures of mushroom corals and they don't seem to be perfectly symmetrical either.

  • @sirwaldo999
    @sirwaldo999 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pre earthworm that lived before there was soil to munch on

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The radial symmetry to bilateral symmetry transition doesn't sound too far fetched. Starfish are bilateria that have transitioned to radial symetry.

  • @Arraydeess
    @Arraydeess 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    YOU DID WHAT TO SONIA!!?

  • @noahway13
    @noahway13 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dickinsonia was the bottom of the tribrachidium -- line up the holes.

  • @Crittersaurus
    @Crittersaurus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    me and who?

  • @clayc8115
    @clayc8115 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sounds like Sonia is living her best life

  • @SpaceCircIes
    @SpaceCircIes 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've always been curious on the evolution of animals. Dickinsonia seems like a great candidate for a "precursor" to bilateral animals

  • @nathancooley7362
    @nathancooley7362 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I hope someone bought Sonia dinner first

  • @PopeRocket
    @PopeRocket 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Silly question. Trilobite. All life was Trilobite. Soon, all will be Trilobite again.

  • @mike-bee
    @mike-bee 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seen the title, googled it, and saved time by getting my answer without watching this video. And because I paused the piece when the ad’s were loading, you will not get the view point. Have a great day, thanks for teaching me something without teaching!

    • @RaptorChatter
      @RaptorChatter  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No worries. I love letting people learn things, even when they aren't polite!