These Fossils Were Supposed To Be Impossible

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  • @alienenthusiast
    @alienenthusiast ปีที่แล้ว +3516

    I hope Tina gets a fossil named after her. Sad that she got overshadowed.

    • @ruyfernandez
      @ruyfernandez ปีที่แล้ว +182

      Well said! Too bad I am not going to study ediacaran paleontology, otherwise I would have done it myself with much pleasure.

    • @scvcebc
      @scvcebc ปีที่แล้ว +333

      It took 200 years for Mary Anning to have a fossil named after her.

    • @ericv738
      @ericv738 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      You don't even know if it's a true story.

    • @RavinRay
      @RavinRay ปีที่แล้ว +210

      I know the feeling! As a junior geologist I was the one who first spotted fossil crabs in one abandoned quarry we surveyed, but when the paper came out I was not included as a co-author, just mentioned in the acknowledgments.

    • @susanhuntley9262
      @susanhuntley9262 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ericv738 like me, you could check this

  • @addman
    @addman ปีที่แล้ว +1496

    in 2004, she saw on television a program featuring Roger Mason in the quarry talking about the find, and contacted him. This put in motion events that culminated in Tina’s contribution being recognized at the celebrations for the 50th anniversary of the Charnia discovery, complete with her cutting a fossil cake with Roger.

    • @WilliamStoneContentZone
      @WilliamStoneContentZone ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Wholesome

    • @Effemo58
      @Effemo58 ปีที่แล้ว +158

      Ok, this could be a cute story but to me the injustice still remains as this fossil is always named _masoni_ (yes, I'm reluctant to forgive so easily.... Ha !).

    • @aag2139
      @aag2139 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      @@Effemo58 they could have named the attenborough one after her instead, for instance

    • @stephanieyee9784
      @stephanieyee9784 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      That is great news. I hope her former teacher was humbled knowing that Tina Had found a pre-Cambrian fossil locally.

    • @scottabc72
      @scottabc72 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Glad she got some recognition

  • @panqueque445
    @panqueque445 ปีที่แล้ว +719

    "Predation hadn't been invented yet"
    That's insane to think about

    • @RichardMiller-tq6ut
      @RichardMiller-tq6ut ปีที่แล้ว +33

      And insanely presumptuous

    • @damienthonk1506
      @damienthonk1506 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut not necessarily. Nearly every scientific discovery is lampshaded with "probably." I'd say they did their due diligence to mention that in this video. The moral is literally that we never really know for sure.

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut 🙄

    • @naturesfinest2408
      @naturesfinest2408 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut this. Predation from bacteria to other bacteria existed. There is no reason for me to believe the same sort of consumption didnt happen slowly between these creatures.
      Second, of "lampshad probably" they should just say we dont know. Not probably. Probably is what got them in this mess in the first place by ignoring clear fossil evidence and not looking.

    • @RichardMiller-tq6ut
      @RichardMiller-tq6ut ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@naturesfinest2408 agreed

  • @M-A-Khaki
    @M-A-Khaki ปีที่แล้ว +627

    I'm doing a PhD related to the evolution of non-bilatarian animals and I am going to discuss this paper in our next lab meeting. Thanks Eons for leading me to it!

    • @scrotusmaximus3043
      @scrotusmaximus3043 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Best of luck man!

    • @ruyfernandez
      @ruyfernandez ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You lucky! The one thing I hate the most about research is having to read all the bibliography. 😭 How happy I am each time I get an oral explanation!

    • @mriaschug5432
      @mriaschug5432 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If you haven’t seen it yet pbs eons has another video from about 2 years ago, might have a couple more tie bits that could help you, it’s called “ other eon explosions you should know about “

    • @atomicskull6405
      @atomicskull6405 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But are we sure they can be classified as animals? They might be some dead end of multicellular life.

    • @ruyfernandez
      @ruyfernandez ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@atomicskull6405 if I remember well, some organic chemical signature of animals (like cholesterol-derived molecules) was found in those fossils.

  • @andrespico9613
    @andrespico9613 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The Ediacaran Weirdo Support Group motto: "With fronds like these, who needs anemones?"

  • @prezhenz6969
    @prezhenz6969 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    Somehow when she started to say they found something familiar, I knew it would be the Cnidarians. They’re literally so “simple” that people assume they are basal species but to have such a defined body plan that is repeatable AND successful, shows how derived it probably is. That and they survived basically every major extinction event we know about

    • @daviddegeorge2667
      @daviddegeorge2667 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I'm pretty willing to bet on a precambrian sponge too.

    • @person8064
      @person8064 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@daviddegeorge2667 Sponges have long been known to be that old. They're the oldest known animals and some potential fossils indicate they may have been around during snowball Earth.

  • @danbrooks3932
    @danbrooks3932 ปีที่แล้ว +492

    Can we all take a moment to scream into the void for poor Tina?

    • @Effemo58
      @Effemo58 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I did it in my main comment and some others here :-) And I just want Justice is made to her.

    • @jonmartinson6830
      @jonmartinson6830 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Wait, you need a specific reason to do that?

    • @alokinzna
      @alokinzna ปีที่แล้ว +7

      She didn't get results .
      Stay salty.

    • @THandP_org
      @THandP_org ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @Daniel E. stay salty = keep fighting (in this case, keep fighting for Tina to get proper recognition instead of a mere photo op)

    • @CaspiRose99
      @CaspiRose99 ปีที่แล้ว

      She should have stuck to her guns and at least took it with her if nothing else

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    "Silly girl. That just isn't possible."
    I wonder how many important discoveries were delayed or lost completely because of these words.

  • @holliegould3463
    @holliegould3463 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    "...because of its immense age! -the fossils, not attenborough." i love this channel so much

    • @891Henry
      @891Henry ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm glad she cleared that up. After all, he is getting on a bit.

  • @furby9284
    @furby9284 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    Roger was a 16 year old who was rock climbing with his friends when he stumbled upon a Charnia. Tina was a 15 year old who also just so happened to stumble upon a Charnia fossil, but a year earlier. Really sad that a 15 year old boy found one while playing with his friends and it revolutionized our understanding of the Ediacran period as a whole, having the species named after him. Yet when Tina finds one as a teenager she’s dismissed and told that her discovery is impossible.

    • @SirSpinalColumn
      @SirSpinalColumn ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Sad that this video doesn’t mention the Australian guy that found some before either of these two kids in area the entire period is named after, the Ediacran hills of South Australia.

    • @Metal_Maxine
      @Metal_Maxine ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I think more of the difference was that the boy found a "proper" geologist, the girl had a dismissive high-school geography teacher with no knowledge beyond what was written in textbooks.

    • @DanStaal
      @DanStaal ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Metal_Maxine More than that, he took a rubbing of it, so he had something to show, and not just a memory.

    • @saareso9380
      @saareso9380 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@@DanStaalShe also took a rubbing of it.

    • @feiryfella
      @feiryfella 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SirSpinalColumn You are correct. I can't remember his name, but that was a real shame too.

  • @primarytrainer1
    @primarytrainer1 ปีที่แล้ว +535

    it would be so cool if regular plants were just a polyp phase and then had free floating predatory stages that just ride on the wind eating things

    • @queeniemarkham8022
      @queeniemarkham8022 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      Cool and also terrifying, I’m very glad I’m a land creature because jellyfish are frightening

    • @M167A1
      @M167A1 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Sounds delightful

    • @sion8
      @sion8 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      🤔 How 'bout no.

    • @icarusbinns3156
      @icarusbinns3156 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cool… until they start eating humans. Because humans gonna human and will wipe them out

    • @shaider1982
      @shaider1982 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      I don't know, plants like the tumbleweed already are a problem due to how they propagate in numbers and move around with just the wind. At least in Super Mario the plants trying to eat you just stay in one place.

  • @reuireuiop0
    @reuireuiop0 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    The Chronicles of Charnia.
    So exciting, I never miss an episode

  • @MotoHikes
    @MotoHikes ปีที่แล้ว +120

    I am from Charnwood Forest, and have actually released a video today that talks about it a bit! I have one of those rocky outcrops that the fossil was found in in the woods behind my house, and plan to do a video about Charnia masoni in future!

    • @tonytaskforce3465
      @tonytaskforce3465 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Awesome. Please keep us posted.

    • @MotoHikes
      @MotoHikes ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tonytaskforce3465 I will, thank you! I wanted to do one on Charnia masoni, but as my channel is still in the early stages, i wanted to get better at production first, so I can give C masoni all the attention it deserves.

    • @tonytaskforce3465
      @tonytaskforce3465 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MotoHikes Worth waiting for.

  • @tyler3201
    @tyler3201 ปีที่แล้ว +214

    It would be so cool if in the future you guys edit together a super long video of all your videos in historically chronological order. That would be so much detail it would be like taking a ton of classes.

    • @ivanchao8872
      @ivanchao8872 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Chronological playlist maybe? Anyone could do it... But its way too much effort for me lol

    • @littlehibiscus8973
      @littlehibiscus8973 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes pls😭

    • @lonestarr1490
      @lonestarr1490 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@ivanchao8872 All Eons videos have reliable subtitles (I know for certain, because I always watch with subtitles on). It shouldn't be that hard to write a bot that extracts them from each individual video, basically creating a transcript of the whole channel in the process (and saving it together with the video title and the url, of course).
      Afterwards, all we'd need is a bot that runs through that transcript and sieves out all the epoch identifiers and time frames given. If we equip it with a look-up table of all the epochs, it could output the list of videos in chronological order according to these infos. There will definitely be clashes, so the bot should mark them somehow. But I suspect it will be a manageable number of clashes, so that one could go through and settle them by hand afterwards.
      Sooo. Could anyone please do that? I just started out with Python, so sadly I'm not yet fit.

    • @incyray9709
      @incyray9709 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A playlist could probably do that! Would require far less editing and agonizingly long rendering too, haha

    • @urieldaboamorte
      @urieldaboamorte ปีที่แล้ว +8

      it's not really what you requested, but they do have a video on geological time, where they go from the hadean to present day

  • @Emperor_Oshron
    @Emperor_Oshron ปีที่แล้ว +118

    i guess you could say that these were _imfossilble?_ ;)
    i'll see myself out

    • @lutchien
      @lutchien ปีที่แล้ว

      *boos you very gently * 😁😁

    • @Riley_The_Snailsquid
      @Riley_The_Snailsquid ปีที่แล้ว

      Impossils

    • @MemphiStig
      @MemphiStig ปีที่แล้ว

      Out of the door, line on the left, one cross each.

  • @WilliamStoneContentZone
    @WilliamStoneContentZone ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I like how she keeps calling them weirdos, one of my favorite words

  • @dycorty9182
    @dycorty9182 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    This is my favorite period in earth's history!! Thank you so much for doing a video on it, I've always thought that the Ediacaran creatures were just...so weird and wonderful, and I always tell others about it when i have the chance!!

    • @tonytaskforce3465
      @tonytaskforce3465 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It was the closest we ever had to a time of soft-bodied innocence, a time before predators: a Garden of Eden.

  • @Nastyswimmer
    @Nastyswimmer ปีที่แล้ว +175

    To be fair, Roger Mason acknowledged that Tina had found the fossil earlier

    • @Zveebo
      @Zveebo ปีที่แล้ว +95

      I don’t think anyone has any issue with Roger Mason - he did the the work in persuading someone to take it seriously.
      Tina definitely does deserve a fossil named after her too though!

    • @RichardMiller-tq6ut
      @RichardMiller-tq6ut ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @Zveebo Tina didn't do anything but "stumble" as this woman admits. The Man did all the work. What exactly does she deserve?

    • @erich1394
      @erich1394 ปีที่แล้ว +123

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut Why did you capitalize "Man"? Why are you referring to our host as "this woman"? Why are you framing "stumbling" as an admission? Something smells.

    • @The_Jovian
      @The_Jovian ปีที่แล้ว +103

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut she found it and tried to get it recognized but was falsely denied. How are you supposed to do the work when you're denied entry?

    • @johannageisel5390
      @johannageisel5390 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      @@erich1394 * sniff * Stinks of misogyny.

  • @Frostfly
    @Frostfly ปีที่แล้ว +245

    I wonder what conditions allowed the formation of these fossils. it must have been both gentle and sudden. very strange.

    • @awesomelyshorticles
      @awesomelyshorticles ปีที่แล้ว +58

      River washout after a storm, or an underwater mudslide are both known to have happened. In this case I'd believe it's the floodwater silt

    • @ruyfernandez
      @ruyfernandez ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Consider also that an ancient deep sea environment like this may have easily gone anoxic, helping to preserve non-mineralised orgnisms.
      Also, it is not necessary that the burial conditions be gentle. To test the hypothesis that some cambrian lagerstätten may have formed by a turbidite deposit covering an inhabited seafloor, some scientists (I don't know who, unfortunately) made an experiment. They took some starfish (so soft-bodied animals) and put them for a few hours in a FREAKING WASHING MACHINE to simulate the impact of the turbidite. In the end, the starfish were intact, because fresh tissues can actually hold a body together quite effectively.

    • @RichardMiller-tq6ut
      @RichardMiller-tq6ut ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Given 100 million years, it would be strange not to

    • @TK199999
      @TK199999 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Based on other Ediacaran sites a lot these fossil beds were the bottom of shallow-ish seas along volcanic islands and mountain ranges. With sudden pyroclastic flows covering everything in protective layer of ash that both removed oxygen and sorta flash heat froze soft bodied animals.

    • @gobblinal
      @gobblinal ปีที่แล้ว +6

      No predators to eat the bodies and disperse the remains?

  • @Snittyguy
    @Snittyguy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This style of presentation format is my favourite.

  • @euchiron
    @euchiron ปีที่แล้ว +29

    This is fascinating stuff! I haven't heard too much about what predated the Cambrian Explosion. Seeing what might be an ancestor of jellyfish and anemones shows what meant success back then

  • @alioramus1637
    @alioramus1637 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    Poor tina :( wish she showed to a scientist instead of her teacher who made her believe her discovery was insignificant.

    • @RichardMiller-tq6ut
      @RichardMiller-tq6ut ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You can't blame others for what you choose to feel. She's the one who gave up. It is very honorable of the man to mention her name or we would never know she "stumbled"

    • @damienthonk1506
      @damienthonk1506 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut because it's definitely not possible that Tina was treated unfairly compared to David, right? Please.

    • @thatotherguy7596
      @thatotherguy7596 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut Tina didn't "stumble", she was tripped.

    • @RichardMiller-tq6ut
      @RichardMiller-tq6ut ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thatotherguy7596 this woman literally used the word "stumble" to describe her contribution to the discovery. Don't argue with me. I'm just making observations

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut Horse feathers. The boy that finally convinced them had to actually take rubbings to convince them. It is not her fault that they were predisposed to not believe anything young people say, especially girls, and then ignored her contribution.

  • @sarahdelury3003
    @sarahdelury3003 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    This is now my favorite episode of Eons! Thank you, so much, for centering Tina in the discovery of Charnia. Her discovery, & than my discovery of her, & Charnia, helped launch my love of all thing Ediacrian. And the new info shared in this video is awesome! THANK YOU!

  • @000SolidSnake
    @000SolidSnake ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I would love an eons episode on the evolutionary history of either seals or fungus.

    • @erich1394
      @erich1394 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      seal fungus

    • @johannageisel5390
      @johannageisel5390 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe they have already done a fungus episode.
      But if you want more fungi, you could check out a video titled "What Was The First Fungus?" by the channeld "History of the Earth".

    • @theflyingdutchguy9870
      @theflyingdutchguy9870 ปีที่แล้ว

      2 very different things but still interesting😂😂

    • @octo448
      @octo448 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's funny that one of these is very old and the other very recent, in geological terms. Seals being mammals are so new, but the history of fungi are quite a bit older!

  • @oliviapilson
    @oliviapilson ปีที่แล้ว +403

    Always fascinating to me how biologists assume when they don’t have visible evidence that it couldn’t have been possible while astronomers and physicists usually rely on the opposite (ex the assumption that life on exo-planets is probable)

    • @kpatelv607
      @kpatelv607 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      No they assumed it wasn't real because a woman was telling them about it.

    • @monkeymanchronicles
      @monkeymanchronicles ปีที่แล้ว +101

      @@kpatelv607Mary Anning got the shaft on her discoveries for the same reason. ‘Naturalism’ has been a boys club until about 50-60 years ago. Glad it’s not like that anymore because the more people in the field the better. Science advances ever further with more involvement.

    • @BananaCake26
      @BananaCake26 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      The people who rejected the idea were a geographer and a geologist, not biologists. Even then, those are three fields that work with actual physical evidence. Astronomy and physics are completely different fields with their own methods. You can't calculate the likelihood of a fossil in a rock layer with an equation, you need to actually find it. The assumption that life on exoplanets is possible works because the basic building blocks for life exist everywhere in the universe. No fossils existed in Precambrian layers at the time, they needed to be found.

    • @smusic-vm1zd
      @smusic-vm1zd ปีที่แล้ว +54

      I think you're all making too much assumptions. If I remember the videos of the channel "History of the Earth" about the same subject (which I can highly recommend!) there have been multiple discoveries of these fossils and more importantly multiple separate people who recognized these were fossils from the ediacaran. The problem here wasn't an assumption but dogma, something which doesn't seem inherent to a single field such as biology to me but rather scientists who had gone too far in their skepticism about new discoveries or theories. I don't think the discovery was dismissed solely because of the discoverer being a woman either, rather scientists being stuck in their dogma again, although unfortunately back then I suppose it really didn't help. I hope it's better today or to make it so.

    • @smusic-vm1zd
      @smusic-vm1zd ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BananaCake26 I see you were typing a similar comment to mine :)

  • @coconutsmarties7916
    @coconutsmarties7916 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I grew up 2 miles from Charnwood Forest and I still walk around it frequently, and I'm fascinated by prehistory. How tf am I only finding out about this now.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 ปีที่แล้ว

      Subpar school?

    • @coconutsmarties7916
      @coconutsmarties7916 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@pansepot1490 Until recently 'History Education' in the entire British schooling system was pretty much an exercise in memorising the dates of each monarch's reign. Oh, and the order of Henry VII's wives - that's essential knowledge too, of course.

    • @JubioHDX
      @JubioHDX ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@coconutsmarties7916 if it makes you feel any better in the USA for some reason we still have to memorize henry the 8ths wives and the order and method of their passing as well. (divorce beheaded died, divorce beheaded survived...)

  • @frankcarter6427
    @frankcarter6427 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    very interesting, but Charnwood isn't west of London , it's further North about half way up England

    • @80sGamerLady
      @80sGamerLady ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's more like NNW of London but definitely more north than west.

    • @quinn3334
      @quinn3334 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      whats that like an hour and a half drive?

    • @lethallizard963
      @lethallizard963 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@quinn3334 more like 2.5 hours

  • @chaosmike89th
    @chaosmike89th ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I always did enjoy the Chronicles of Charnia

  • @DaveTexas
    @DaveTexas ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This was an especially fascinating episode. You’d think the discover of the oldest-known ancestor to modern animals would be a much bigger story, but this is the first I’ve heard about it. Good job!

  • @vailstales3639
    @vailstales3639 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    These notifications make me so happy, I love this channel.

  • @thebogsofmordor7356
    @thebogsofmordor7356 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Very interesting! I remember the episode you hosted a few years ago about the Ediacarid Dickinsonia and that blew my mind. But the Cnidarian find is extra special: Oldest predator by 20MY & clears Dickinsonia in that blurry link.

  • @WHATSDADEAL
    @WHATSDADEAL ปีที่แล้ว +15

    LOVE THIS CHANNEL!

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    @NexuJin ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Even the Cambrian Explosion had a prequel.

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    @brianlefko4404 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    A little over a year ago I discovered this channel and I am so glad I did. In addition to reigniting my childhood love of paleontology, it has been a refuge from my anxiety and a place to go when feeling down. A very gracious thank you to everyone who makes Eons what it is! Especially Kallie, you’ll always be my favourite host. Have a nice day, everyone!

  • @tgbluewolf
    @tgbluewolf ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "...a diverse range of other weirdos also appeared..."
    I feel so called out.

  • @evenglare
    @evenglare ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is awesome. but personally the thing that makes this even MORE awesome isn't the stuff we found. Its thinking about how many insane varieties that COULD have existed, but never left fossils. Thats whats mind blowing to me.

  • @ElReino94
    @ElReino94 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I was just binging your videos this morning. This made me happy :). Also those fossils are so pretty!

  • @suchendelokidottir5673
    @suchendelokidottir5673 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    OMG! A precambrian medusazoa? That is so cool.

  • @elgringo1893
    @elgringo1893 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hi PBS Eons, this is where I live and I can also attest to it being amazing for fossils. Within a 20 mile radius of each other, there are tons of locations here where you can find Jurassic fossils (ammonites, Belemnites, bivalves, corals, crinoids, echinoids and even reptiles like plesiosaurs and ichthyosaurs found here plus an incredible diplodocus on display at the Leicester museum), then you can find all the Cambrian stuff, ediacaran stuff too. It's a crazy area for its range of exposed strata.
    If you ever visit Leicester, visit the museum. We have a huge slab of ediacaran fossils, several meters long, showing some incredible specimens.

    • @LaurieAnnCurry
      @LaurieAnnCurry ปีที่แล้ว

      My bucket list just got longer

  • @Rebellum1
    @Rebellum1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hnnn when I was a little kid I found a fossil, and after a few years decided "what are the chances it was really a fossil?" and threw it into the backyard.
    I grew up directly under one of the dots on the map of precambrian fossils shown partway through this video.

  • @tired1923
    @tired1923 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    things I love about science:
    - every other year comes breaking news that Everything Is Much Older Than Previously Thought
    - scientists get so excited about being wrong
    - everyone agrees that carcinization is really cool

  • @danielrayner7681
    @danielrayner7681 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great stuff and yes David Attenborough is a legend

    • @rosiehawtrey
      @rosiehawtrey ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I feel sorry for him, 60 years of being completely ignored and watching his own personal mass extinction develop... But he does seem to be indestructible and irreplaceable.

  • @cliveworth
    @cliveworth ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a 73 year old retied coal miner and I have a few of these that I found when I worked underground on the coal face.

  • @njlkerins
    @njlkerins ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Excellent episode! Thank you (and the team)!

  • @jakobraahauge7299
    @jakobraahauge7299 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That was beautiful Kallie!

  • @needtau4138
    @needtau4138 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's amazing to be able to see some of the first living things on this planet.

  • @zekegonzalez3881
    @zekegonzalez3881 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is the best channel on youtube hands down.

  • @tsm688
    @tsm688 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    thank goodness, a long video. wasn't sure they existed any more.

  • @timsullivan4566
    @timsullivan4566 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fascinating and VERY well explained - kudos to all involved.

  • @eetuthereindeer6671
    @eetuthereindeer6671 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It would be insanely cool to see that exact same fern alive all those millions of years ago. Its crazy how it probably lived for such a short time like just miss 50 years and you probably wouldn't find it

  • @amelade
    @amelade ปีที่แล้ว +3

    fascinating episode! thank you Kallie and co.

  • @ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In
    @ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In ปีที่แล้ว +36

    If John Hughes was still alive, he could make a movie on the teen angst that goes with a teen’s discovery being ignored.
    Also, you’d think the archeologists of the area would um dig a little deeper after the 1st discovery.

    • @timothyhouse1622
      @timothyhouse1622 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Well, archaeologists wouldn't' be "digging" that deep anyway unless you know of any humans that lived 600 million years ago. The word you are looking for is PALEONTOLOGIST.

    • @ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In
      @ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@timothyhouse1622 yeah, true but Indy Jones is way cooler than Ross Gellar.

    • @patreekotime4578
      @patreekotime4578 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In Is Jones even an archeologist or just a treasure hunter with a day job?

    • @gobblinal
      @gobblinal ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@patreekotime4578 Tomb robber?

    • @ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In
      @ChrisConnolly-Mr.C-Dives-In ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@patreekotime4578 This question you have posed is worth diving into. But hey, I’m just a guy with a diver helmet for a profile pic. I defer to Sean Connery, in character when he asked “Do you call this archeology?”

  • @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
    @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm just glad Tina got somewhat recognized for discovering the Charnia fossil, I can only imagine how much scientific discoveries had happened throughout the years where for one reason or another the initial discoverer were unable to publicize their find, and therefore they along with their discovery got lost to time until someone else comes along and discovers the same thing.

  • @gigibritannia
    @gigibritannia ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It's always so cool to learn about things like this, but I always seem to forget whatever they say by the end of it. I still enjoy listening about it though. Is this just me? Or does anyone else experience this?

  • @aeonkrow9923
    @aeonkrow9923 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh man, that reference to Attenborough's age got me! XD

  • @deanjericevic8912
    @deanjericevic8912 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating & insightful showing speciation previously thought non-existent. Providing a better understanding of our distant relatives.

  • @karensarkisian6576
    @karensarkisian6576 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Given that I am from Armenia, I'd say sir David Attenborough is not a local, but just a legend :) other that that - brilliant episode, as always, thanks!

    • @AndersWatches
      @AndersWatches ปีที่แล้ว +3

      … local to the site where the fossils were discovered. Obviously.

  • @tedferkin
    @tedferkin ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Many congratulations for pronouncing Leicestershire correctly

  • @Henri_Hilarious
    @Henri_Hilarious ปีที่แล้ว +2

    4:33 her execution is perfect.

  • @michaelmaloney6628
    @michaelmaloney6628 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you Tina!

  • @AryadiSubagio
    @AryadiSubagio ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it's so amazing how simple creatures already have a modern body plan

  • @davidt3563
    @davidt3563 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Imagine being the first thing eaten. Everything else is feasting on nutrients floating in the water, just minding your own business and along comes predation. Bruh.

  • @hollyodii5969
    @hollyodii5969 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just love everything from Eons videos!

  • @jlworrad8555
    @jlworrad8555 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I live near there, so this video delights me. Thanks!

  • @MustardLadySaveMe
    @MustardLadySaveMe ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am so grateful for the dedication of the women in science & technology fields who came before us so that discoveries and inquiries by women and girls today will not be dismissed like Tina's was.

  • @_ninthRing_
    @_ninthRing_ ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To be accurate, predation was well known at _the microbial scale_ long before these discoveries.
    It's only macroscopic life - with it's significantly greater basal metabolic energy requirements - which took just a little longer to go from sessile filter-feeders & simple grazers to an active Predators/Prey dynamic - pushing Evolution into overdrive in the process.

  • @Eli_Skipjack
    @Eli_Skipjack ปีที่แล้ว

    The ediacaran is my fav geologic period, so happy to see more ediacaran content in my inbox!!!

  • @scrotusmaximus3043
    @scrotusmaximus3043 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing as always, ty!

  • @AbrohamG
    @AbrohamG ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing video

  • @moonstonepearl21
    @moonstonepearl21 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It's so sad how often legitimate discoveries are dismissed and their discovers disrespected because too many people can't accept the fact that we can discover that our knowledge was incorrect. Science needs to consider all possibilities. Also, the other mistake was going to a school teacher for this and not a professor like the second kid. Regular teachers generally do not have the level of expertise in any specific field to make that kind of call. They just said it was impossible based on what they were told, but they didn't actually really study it.

    • @crazyasalways9272
      @crazyasalways9272 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then why didn't they contact someone who knew what they were talking about😊

  • @michaelbeholder
    @michaelbeholder ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Always learning thanks to you! Big fan ❤

  • @CassidyConway1990
    @CassidyConway1990 ปีที่แล้ว

    I live in the Charnwood area and I had no idea, this is amazing.

  • @Fantasygod930
    @Fantasygod930 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    It's very interesting that the Pre-cambrian life looked more like plants but not plants? And the first Predator that gets credit is usually the weird Lobster thing with no legs I don't remember what it's called but that usually gets credit where as we should really give credit to intimidate jellyfish things to be the first predator the president himself the one that faced the Xenomorph will be very proud to find predator on Earth

    • @lsamaknight
      @lsamaknight ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I think you're thinking of Anomalocaris

    • @Hamdad
      @Hamdad ปีที่แล้ว

      What might've been, had things only gone a slightly different way...

    • @wafikiri_
      @wafikiri_ ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Plants, animals, fungi . . . It took a lot of time for them to differentiate. Sponges are animals but don't even have nervous cells. They could easily be classified otherwise. Perhaps there was or could have been a realm of multicellular life of which we know nothing because fossils thereof were never found. If found, we'd try to force it into one of the known realms.

    • @KaiserFredVIII
      @KaiserFredVIII ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The thing is that plants all kind of look "planty" because they all share extremely rigid fundamental physical constraints on possible body forms that they can take and still maintain evolutionary fitness, and that is also valid for those other very early animals. When you are a sessile organism that derive your energy from the environment in some way (be it from sunlight or passive absorption of organic carbon or by filter feeding) a plant-like shape is just... pretty close to the best possible way to do things.

  • @singingunbound9705
    @singingunbound9705 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Literally 5 miles from me. I need to go on a fossil hunt!

    • @stinew358
      @stinew358 ปีที่แล้ว

      No one will believe you lol

  • @juangil384
    @juangil384 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love her story telling ❤

  • @victoriaasenjo524
    @victoriaasenjo524 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FINALLY more Ediacaran content

  • @EvilSnips
    @EvilSnips ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The Ediacaran was such an interesting period, it was on the precipice of absolute lifelessness and the massive amounts of the beautiful diversity of life we see today. A lot of the Ediacaran creatures have similarities to today's creatures but it's hard to tell if it's analogous or just convergent. I personally believe some of them have to be related.

  • @earnestlanguage4242
    @earnestlanguage4242 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So TINA NEGUS, the original fossil discoverer had no fossil named for her, but two different guys had fossils named after them from this area? And one of those fossils was her find?

    • @samsmith4242
      @samsmith4242 ปีที่แล้ว

      How many vikings live in Canada? None. So, while Leif Ericsson found the americas. Columbus gets all the blame for what happened later cause that was him. Tina was, unfairly, called stupid by someone with a little bit of power and education. Who went ‘according to what I read in my big brain book, that is impossible stupid little girl’
      Later, a different child did the same thing. The professor humoured them. And, he was right. The book was wrong. So, the expert published the findings and by Tradition. Credited the fossil hunter that found it. Tina was screwed over by her teacher

  • @createproducti0ns
    @createproducti0ns ปีที่แล้ว

    I love you guys, your sense of humor is marvelous.

  • @lafcursiax
    @lafcursiax ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ooh, the artwork in this episode is so lush! I especially like the Haeckelesque arrangement at 3:20. Art Forms in the Ediacaran?

  • @halg3625
    @halg3625 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I live for these vids! But pleeeease do a video about sauropod noses! It's a subject that's WAY more interesting than it sounds. For ages, paleontologists were wrong about where the nostrils of these animals were located. Until relatively recently, it was thought that the nostrils were on the top of the animal's head. That mislead researchers into believing all kinds of crazy stuff about sauropods. For the longest time, it was thought that they were semi or even fully aquatic animals. In popular media, the heads of these animals are drawn or modeled incorrectly, to this day! There were once scientists who thought sauropods had proboscis like noses, a lot like modern tapirs or elephants! But now they know that sauropods had heads which were more like the heads of modern cetaceans. Meaning their heads weren't concave at the "bridge", but more bulbous and containing a lot of tissue. However, unlike cetaceans, their nostrils were located at the front of the snout, and all that bulbous tissue, was it's nasal structures. Please do this one! Brachiosaurus needs a makeover, but won't get one, in main stream media, until more attention is brought to this matter. I don't want to sound like a drama queen, but think of the children. One of their favorite dinos is missing a huge chunk of it's face and hardly anyone is talking about it.

  • @priapulida
    @priapulida ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The History of the Earth Channel made a longer video on this recently.
    "Were these the first animals?"

    • @duelme1234
      @duelme1234 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks

    • @BananaCake26
      @BananaCake26 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That channel's videos are painfully verbose and too long for the info they contain. I prefer Eons' format

    • @smusic-vm1zd
      @smusic-vm1zd ปีที่แล้ว

      Multiple even, fun to watch although not as compact as someone else said.

    • @ecdetrick4560
      @ecdetrick4560 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BananaCake26 true. They make long videos that seemed to be informative but I really don’t have any idea what are they talking about, nor anything related to their titles

    • @smurfyday
      @smurfyday ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BananaCake26 And they are overly dramatic in presentation. However they can contain a lot more info.

  • @eucolecionodinossauros
    @eucolecionodinossauros ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I laughed so hard at 8:08 😁

  • @wither5673
    @wither5673 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the best part about science is finding things that prove previous theories wrong. it means more work and more discovery of the unknown!!!

  • @zachcrawford5
    @zachcrawford5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I wonder if fungi (which are pretty closely related to animals or even some other extinct macroscopic kingdom also gave moving around a try. It's weird that Animalia is pretty much the only kingdom that made large organisms that actively move around their environment (well, other than slime molds).

    • @tsm688
      @tsm688 ปีที่แล้ว

      think they've got single-celled movement

  • @kyrab7914
    @kyrab7914 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Was there an extinction event before the Cambrian? Everything seems to radiate a whole lot after extinction, but not so much after everything's found their niche. I hope we find out more about these critters' lifestyles, in time

    • @Effemo58
      @Effemo58 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They published a video about the very first mass exticntion : the first marine plants that transformed the atmosphere by excreting too much oxygen.

    • @kyrab7914
      @kyrab7914 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Effemo58 Ahh, yes the cyanobacteria. I'm just really bad at remembering the time periods of everything without like, a whole timeline to look at. Wasn't super sure either, as we mostly hear about the great dying.

    • @Effemo58
      @Effemo58 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kyrab7914 haha ! I am bad at that too, I am only able to consider a period rather than a specific date except for the very few main events of the History.
      Maybe not super sure as we lack real prooves (maybe are they burried deep under the soil of the oceans...) but if we consider that the whole Plant world needs Carbon and rejects Oxygen, we can imagine that the Primary Life wasn't adapted to stand this new gas...

  • @CHROME-COLOSSUS
    @CHROME-COLOSSUS ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always illuminating!

  • @johnnybhoy4278
    @johnnybhoy4278 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video as always.

  • @artsymarxist
    @artsymarxist ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That fossil should be renamed after Tina as well. Thats a crime they ignored the woman that found it then named it after the man that came along later. So frustrating.

    • @RichardMiller-tq6ut
      @RichardMiller-tq6ut ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All she did was "stumble". The man did all the work. He's the reason why we even know any of this. He didn't even have to mention her but he did. Your kind makes people regret such honorable acts. Frustrating indeed

    • @artsymarxist
      @artsymarxist ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut Misogyny alert

    • @KatherineHugs
      @KatherineHugs ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@RichardMiller-tq6ut you are really on a mission to invalidate Tina here, eh? I've just read 3 comments of yours with the word stumble in quotes. Did she break up with you or something?

    • @RichardMiller-tq6ut
      @RichardMiller-tq6ut ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KatherineHugs no. I invalidate the presumptuous, bigoted, and ridiculous claim that her choice to not follow through with her discovery is because she was a woman. Imagine the mindset that fosters onto others. It's gross and helps nothing. The host of this video invalidates her by calling her a helpless woman who "stumbled" upon this discovery

  • @Antaragni2012
    @Antaragni2012 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Marvellous vídeo and very well written text!

  • @erinkarp
    @erinkarp ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was super cool!

  • @elainebelzDetroit
    @elainebelzDetroit ปีที่แล้ว +6

    All I can think about is, "What happened to the girl who actually discovered it?" We hear that the boy went on to teach geology... I hope she's had a similarly rich intellectual life.

  • @omarb7164
    @omarb7164 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tina’s geology prof seriously did her dirty

  • @BenziTrain
    @BenziTrain ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a fun and informative video!

  • @Sl1f3rDrag0n
    @Sl1f3rDrag0n ปีที่แล้ว

    Never thought I'd see Leicester mentioned on PBS Eons. I got my physics undergrad from University of Leicester a few years ago. Great video as always!

  • @mriaschug5432
    @mriaschug5432 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ever since I learned about the pre Cambrian tri lateral animals, but not animal but not plants haha, and the fractionally growth patterns, it’s been my FAAAAAVOURITE science history facts

  • @stax6092
    @stax6092 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I am disappointed that the animal was not called TinaSaurus, and yes I know saurus means lizard.

    • @RichardMiller-tq6ut
      @RichardMiller-tq6ut ปีที่แล้ว

      Why? Because she "stumbled"? The Man did all the work. We only know about any of this because of him. He didn't have to mention her

  • @SB-qm5wg
    @SB-qm5wg ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video as always.

  • @johnelliott7850
    @johnelliott7850 ปีที่แล้ว

    Charnwood Forest is just a comfortable walk away from my home. A friend's coming over this summer, and I'll be showing him the sites there.

  • @linnchristinemoor
    @linnchristinemoor ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Yes! Another chronicle of Charnia episode😂