All these years and I never noticed that, I really don't know how I missed that seeing how he uses the same voice. Carth was my favorite Kotor companion...
I have played both ways and no matter which choice I make, it always feels like the wrong choice. With Williams it lets her die a hero in the line of duty redeeming the family name, but with Alenko it lets him prove to himself and everyone else that he was not as bad a person as he thought he was for what he did as a child in the L2 program. The first time I played it also felt like Kaiden did not give Shep much of a choice seeing as how he arms the bomb and will make sure "it goes off no matter what". So in my eyes he was doing the more selfless act.
More like Bioware manipulates the player into choosing Kaiden, cant deny there is a bias in favor of ashley narrative wise, even the mass effect 3 trailer features Ashley and not Kaiden. At the same time one can interpret this as Bioware indirectly trying to establish their canon. Just like Shepard is clearly meant to be a straight male solider and a spacer, war hero...
@@SagaciousNihilist Ashley seems like the more paragon choice for both male and female Shepard. Kaidan dying to save a female soldier, someone likeable like Ashley too, feels like an honorable sacrifice. Male Shepard putting a lady first, makes him feel more like a traditional man doing an heroic act of chivalry. Female Shepard can always find another guy to date, but Ashley's sisters cannot get their flesh and blood sister back. Ashley lost her father, and it's very unpleasant for her to join him so soon and she's so young, and has so much more to live for. Her redeeming the family name, cannot make up for the grief, and emotional suffering that losing their precious sister would bring. They would have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Kaidan has no one but a mother to go back home to, His mother should understand, Kaidan's sacrifice on Virmire is an honorable one. A manly thing to do, to save a lady soldier on the team.
Kaidan the best do the romance with him if he really likes you he will completely fall in luv with you . Though out 3 games . I take kaidan every on every mission though out mass effect 1/3 unfortunately not in game 2 if you don't kill him off you will see kaidan on horizon.
Kaidan is the obvious choice. Ashley is annoying and always complaining. Plus by ME3 if you run Adept and take Liara and Kaidan with you it's explosion heaven.
Liara/Javik? I guess im the opposite. I love Ashley's close relationship with her sisters and shes such a tank. Great squadmate. I found Kaidan boring. I was an Adept. I specced Ashley into god-mode. Did the same thing wih Garruss. Lol, took em both with me on a mission once. Dayum, there were no more bad guys to toss around. I got the scraps, haha. She also pairs well with James.
It was painful for me to pick Ashley over Kaiden but it’s reasonable at that point. I initially let Ashley help with the Salarian commandos on the heavy assault because I knew how resilient she would be and believed Kaiden should be with me to assist with the nuke. By the time I made to the choice between Kaiden and Ashley I was conflicted with the choice. On one hand, Kaiden was with me and always had my back ever since the mission on Eden Prime but on the other Ashley has a family back on earth and not only that the remaining Salarian commandos were in danger of being wiped out. I had no other choice so had to save Ashley instead so no more casualties were increased. You were brave enough to stay behind and arm the nuke Kaiden, goodbye lieutenant and I hope my Shepard can reunite with you someday…
... I won't lie, I always go for Kaiden on the sole reason that Ashley kinda pisses me off, she's got a minor case of not liking aliens and that doesn't sit right with me considering how many aliens I recruit to my crew... that and in ME3, Kaiden is a LOT nicer compared to her
People call Ashley a Xenophobe and are all good with Mordin lol. Sounds like double standards to me considering Mordin brought an entire species to the brink of extinction. Also Ashley was right about everything...
@@brodymercer8166 except Mordin isn't a Xenophobe and just did what he did to prevent the Krogan from being completely annihilated, not wanting the galaxy to start another bloody war and commit genocide of another species
@@SwiftTheHedgehog56 I suppose Brody also forgot that Mordin would then sacrifice his life for that same species he "brought to the brink of extinction."
Wrex is also a racist or did you miss that detail when playing the games? Theres also alot of antihuman racism in these games, I dont mind it because its realistic.. Hes a racist for the same reason Ashley is too i.e for the way the council races disregard and look down on the interest of their species and for what aliens did to them (Genophage / First contact war)..
Im glad they removed saving both option. Saving one of them is what makes this mission and game great. Letting you struggle with choices and knowing you cant save everyone
yeh in ME2 there's so many squad biotics Kaiden is somewhat redundant. that's why i picked Ash, she's a regular human marine with no powers but still kicks ass
I chose to sacrifice Kaiden and saved Ashley. After that, once the nuke went off and Shepard watches from above, I literally said, "Rogue One, May the Force be with you."
Easiest decision ever during my first blind playthrough at release. As soon as Ashley shot Wrex in the back she was on my shit list. I didn’t even hesitate.
@@mojoofftherobo I always managed to avoid it in subsequent playthroughs. But playing blind it totally blindsided me, pardon the redundance. I didn't know that moment was coming and I wasn't allowed to do the family armor quest or upgrade my persuade skill before I got the Virmire message. I also had a no-reload policy when it came to decisions; I save those for the second playthrough to see variances.
She waa in the right. Wrex wasnt backing down and he was threatening Ashley's CO. What was she supposed to do? Besides, even she was prolly suprised 1 bullet killed him.
Paragon male Shepard; I saved Ashley and the Salarians, while Kaiden died with the bomb. Felt that this choice added drama as it is the more flawed ("space racist") character who ended up surviving. Also story-wise, Ashley joined Shepard much later than Kaiden, it would be pointless to kill her off so soon. And also, this adds extra burden to Shepard having to sacrifice an old friend (Kaiden) to save the majority.
In addition, Kaidan really has no one back home to return to. If I remembered correctly, he was shipped off to biotic school when he was a kid and most of his friends there are already dead anyway. He's only got Shepard whereas Ashley still has her sisters back on earth so she still has people worth figting for.
@@TheSimGuy007 Javik also has noone to turn to in ME3, Neither did Jack, Miranda, Garrus and Jacob during ME2. Thats not a good reasoning to kill off Kaidan. Dont get me wrong, I did leave him behind for different reasons. But ''you dont have a place to go back'' isnt a solid reason.
Ashley seems like the more paragon choice for both male and female Shepard. Kaidan dying to save a female soldier, someone likeable like Ashley too, feels like an honorable sacrifice. Male Shepard putting a lady first, makes him feel more like a traditional man doing an heroic act of chivalry. Female Shepard can always find another guy to date, but Ashley's sisters cannot get their flesh and blood sister back. Ashley lost her father, and it's very unpleasant for her to join him so soon and she's so young, and has so much more to live for. Her redeeming the family name, cannot make up for the grief, and emotional suffering that losing their precious sister would bring. They would have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Kaidan has no one but a mother to go back home to, His mother should understand, Kaidan's sacrifice on Virmire is an honorable one. A manly thing to do, to save a lady soldier on the team.
@@kendrickpalmore4128 Counter argument: Kaidan is a more experienced soldier who is not only a strong biotic, but also a technician and cook. To both the team, mission and the military, he is worth ten Ashes. Sacrificing him for essentially a foot soldier is illogical.
Well Kaidan was higher rank than Ashley. I understand how he can be a spectre and LC. But nobody explains how a gunnery chief can be LC and spectre without any politic bullshit behind.
@@kevinthunder3375 in 2-3 years she went from Gunny to Lt.C? Please, her becoming a specter is clearly political, its done by Udina after he becomes councilor as a way to gain humanity more leverage, they choose her because she is the only other human combatant in Shepards crew and then he proceeds to make her his personal bodyguard. If anyone deserved specter its was Garrus.
I saved Kaiden on my FemShep playthrough and he flirted with her in 3 so I restarted from 1 and saved Ashley instead. Ash, especially when you pick the Paragon options in every conversation, is far better IMO, and I kinda have a hard time choosing between her and Liara, usually depends on if I headcanon a side effect of the Lazarus Project being a life span equal to an Asari's or not.
I never liked Ashley but i chose to save her, idk why. Maybe because both of them kept saying "save the other", and Kaidan's rank was above Ashley's so i trusted him more when he said to go save Ashley. Also Ashley is xenophobic in a ship full of aliens, but i guess that's just more drama for entertainment.
@@anishdebnath3142 These morons forget that humanity just joined the galactic community just a few short decades ago, even if there wasnt so many stigmas and prejudices against humans, which there are, it would only be natural for humans to feel uncomfortable, prejudice and mistrust for aliens, ESPECIALLY, since our first contact with these aliens resulted in a war with them. The first contact war wasnt that far off from the ME1 timeline, a large portion of humanity would still have an adverse outlook towards aliens, especially Ashleys family since they fought in it. Its ok when Wrex is racist against Salarians in all 3 games though, he gets a pass. All Aliens in the game can be racist, its just that humans are bad, Javik is probably the most racist character of all, yet he gets a pass and even Liara had a prejudice against humans and interpreted human behavior as humans being a dangerous speices that behaved like bullies, but according to these selfhating cucks Ashley BAD even though her outlook is a byproduct of circumstance not blind hate and she changes her perspective throughout the games. Reminds me of whats going on today with all these self hating white liberals, pandering to groups who openly hate them... Look how the council treats humanity after one of their major colonies (Eden prime) gets attacked by Saren and the Geth, and how easily Saren plays on the antihuman prejudices of the council to make his case... I dont mind Ashleys outlook, because its REALISTIC and merited, I certainly wont let her get killed for it.
i chose Kaidan the first time (About 12 years ago on my first playthrough) because I thought that most people who played this game were guys, and thus they would choose Ashley to save. Therefore, I did the opposite of what most people did. I chose to go with Kaidan based on why everyone else chose him over Ashley. Ashley was saved on a different playthrough. The head-writer for Ashley left after Mass Effect 2. We will never know what could have been done with Ashley as far as character development and writing in Mass Effect 3. Head-writer also apologized for that one remark in Mass Effect 1 which everyone calls her Xenophobic. He regrets that line (Couldn't tell aliens from the animals on the citadel line) because it got blown out of proportion. She is not really Xenophobic or racist, just that every race believes they are superior to other races. Like how the Turians were higher compared to the humans. It was worth the reading what the head-writer had to say.
Shepard assumes that Ashley or Kaidan knew all the risks going in, if you take one of them to the beacon on Virmire, neither of them warn you not to interact with it. Ashley and Kaidan were there when the beacon self destructed and knocked Shepard unconscious on eden prime. You would think Shepard would know not to risk the same incident. Shepard is careless and does it anyway. Whoever is at the bomb site with you, they obviously were not expecting geth to attack the bomb site. Ashley and Kaidan should both know by then that the geth tend to work in numbers. They seen that on eden prime. They don't work alone. Shepard knew more about the geth. Considering all the prior missions before Virmire. Before you reach the bomb site, you have to fight through numerous geth in order to get there. Protecting the nuke wasn't going to be a simple firefight. With the base on high alert. Reinforcements were inbound to their location. With no support or backup, Ashley or Kaidan quickly get overwhelmed and activate the nuke, this is when Shepard has to choose who to rescue. Shepard and Kaidan knew from the start that they didn't have enough soldiers to meet the geth forces head on. That they're outnumbered, and Shepard didn't expect that Kirrahe's team would need backup sooner or later. That's where things went very wrong.
Kaidan is a nice guy, but Ash is my cannon romance, so... Sorry, L2 implants. Btw, do you gonna make a video about Ash romance in the remaster, my friend?
@Lasagna Cat That’s complete bs, the Turian military started the first contact war simply because they’re all a shoot first ask questions later type of aliens, ever piece of lore points at that and is admitted as such by basically every turian ever from Garrus, Vetra, even the damn councilor. Was not some “misunderstanding”. They’re not very good at politics simply and more military minded, not saying that’s inherently bad of course but we see time and time again the turian military completely disregarding other races entirely to get their way, what with neutering the Krogan after they saved the damn galaxy and only got a statue and spit in the face as payment, and instead of being diplomatic in the first contact war they immediately started war attacking human colony’s after they thought they DESTROYED MOST OF THE HUMAN FLEET. Even read the comics about TIM, it shows them gunning town civies, ash even talks about how her grandfather surrendered to the Turians because they blockaided the place and kept it from getting reinforcements and would level entire blocks full of civilians to kill soldiers. The other races didn’t even care, they just let politics wrap it up and the council themselves had to tell the Turians to back up. So imho it’s definitely warranted being continuously pissed at turian military personnel, which ash only ever expresses distrust in, and we have to remember, in that very conversation she admits she’s ignorant and tells Shepard she’s never once worked with aliens before. As we see with wrex in ME3’s sabotage route, he’s arguably more xenophobic than she is in every capacity, thinking his people in the moment are more important than the fate of the entire damned galaxy. As for Garrus, he openly supports his military’s actions in the first contact war when speaking to that terra firma guy so I wouldn’t exactly call him a beacon of morality either. Don’t even get me started on the Asari high command. They’ve made their entire species this facade of superiority over other races and act with that belief numerous times, only being “superior” because those hypocrites hid one of the most advanced and complete prothean beacons to date inside a monastery and bled info from it, even liara was disgusted by her people’s foundation of hypocrisy. Still get a kick out of that sharing prothean knowledge rule they whipped up. That entire beacon is why I have no qualms about letting the Asari councilor die Point is, none of the races in ME are perfect, humans too. But ash’s distrust I feel like was consistently proven to be fair at just about every turn. However, I don’t think that’s racist or xenophobic, all she said was that it’s human nature to look out for people like yourselves, and that her mistrust is mistrust in their motivations and allegiances. The first contact war and Asari were proof of her beliefs Honestly the only decent alien race of importance is the salarians. They did like, one bad thing and that wasn’t even their fault, the turians were the one that released the thing. I could go on and on, about their lack of care against batarians, arguably worse than the krogan while not as dangerous but consistently target humans and almost killed 4.4 million people in the bring down the sky mission, but nope, when Shepard is indirectly responsible for 300,000 batarians dying he needs to be dealt with. Damn I mean look at talitha on the ruthless Shepard side, she got turned into a slave and horrible things were done to her. And yet, no one seems to think the same way towards them that they do the geth, with nine out of ten of the alien species collectively going “yea geth need to be wiped out”. And “yea geth are all evil”. I think there’s an old saying about bystanders watching injustices. “Not making a decision is a decision”, and “Not making a decision is just as worse”. Them watching as that shit just happens is down right criminal to every one of their victims
@Lasagna Cat I wasn’t even talking about ash for the majority of it, it was only about aliens so go off and your entirely wrong tangent lol In a paragraph, the Turians are military minded and it was no misunderstanding when they invaded human colonies and leveled entire blocks full of civilians to kill human soldiers. The Asari almost doomed all of the galaxy by keeping the beacon on thessia a secret and their own hypocrisy about the beacons disgusted liara, what with them feigning superiority purely because they hid knowledge then demanded it from other races were they to find prothean beacons as well And lastly, everyone hates geth but a race that literally tried to destroy a human planet with 4.4 million people gets no repercussions, not even acknowledgement about the need to intervene. She doesn’t distrust aliens, she distrusts their motives. In her own words, it’s just human nature to look out for yourself and fellow people like you as opposed to something like a dog compared to a human. Asari prove this claim, demanding compliance while they themselves are their own antithesis, and the turian military just shoots anything that moves and has zero idea of diplomacy and purely thinks with their guns
Whilst i prefer Ashley, the part i have the strongest feelings about is... make damn sure the one that goes with Kirrahe is the one you want to save Saving the one at the bomb site is something ive only done once in my entire Mass Effect Career, and it was so unsatisfyingly wrong. ...also Kirrahe is cool and IIRC you cant save him by going back to the bomb
If only Shepard had a psychological profile like Savior Shepard, that can allow us to save both Ashley and Kaidan. The Sole Survivor, War hero, and Ruthless are all failures, who watched their whole unit die on a certain planet. We need an expert Shepard, at keeping teams together. Bioware had reduced me1's replay value in return for emotional depth, forcing Shepard to leave somebody behind in every playthrough, doesn't help me1's replayability. I only save my love Ashley. I happily dedicate my Shepards, my guns, my squadmates, and my Normandy to saving only her. Making sure she's safe is of utmost importance. It's important not to be too focused on the mission that you can't keep a team together. You shouldn't take any unnecessary risks, so that everyone can make it out safely. Like in me2's suicide mission. Everyone can survive if Shepard makes all the right choices, if only Virmire was that way. Me1 would be a lot more satisfying to replay.
Nah it’s better this way, gives the game a touch of realism and a hard choice to make. I feel as if it should’ve been impossible to save everyone in ME2 also
You let capitan kirahee die? 😢, Also, i always save the squadmate that is with the sularians... most of the times is Kaiden because i always thought he could provide more support with his biotics and tech, even if Ash ask to be with the sularians and to trust her. (It's not that i trust her, it's just that she isn't the most fit to the task at the moment). Another reason why i let Ash die instead of Kaiden is because after her death, Ash is recognized by the Alliance, Sularians and i think also the council. Givig honor to her family's reputation, having into account her family's history, while Kaiden doesn't recive the same recognition... Many hate Ash but i don't, she may have some rude comments but that's because she has a rough personality. When we confront Wrex, if she gets to shoot him is to save us because Wrex wouldn't hesitate to kill us if he has to, she has our back.
i personaly played this game many times when i played as female Shepard, than i say bye bye to Ashley But if i ma male, than Kaiden is that who is going to be left behind i know i may sound rude, but i need my love interest alive BTW i would like to save both, sad its impossible p.s - maybe developers will make them both alive in next Mass Effect game (like Shepard in Mass Effet 2 with that lazerus project) :P Would be nice, but more i think no than yes BTW good reason to wait next Mass Effect game :) :D
To be honest Ashley was the right choice to me. Didn't like how she insulted the aliens. Also what she does to Wrex if you don't calm him down Although her voice actress Kimberly Brooks is awesome. Kaidens a cool dude.
What they should've done, they should've made a Renegade or Paragon speech check where you could save BOTH Kaiden and Ash on Vyrmire, they speech checked the arguments on the Normandy between Miranda and Jack and Tali and Leigon in ME 2, but it's sad here that they at least didn't give you that option here.
No they shouldn't that would ruin the choice completly. If you can only save Kaiden or Ashley, then it's a hard choice with no right answer. If you can save Kaiden, Ashley, or Both then there isn't a choice. There's two mistakes and an easy answer.
I actually love Ash, she may be xenophobic but that gives so much space for character development in the future. But I could never know if she ever got character development or not cuz NOTHING compares to my baby paragon Kaiden. Will never hesitate to choose Kaiden over anything 😤😤
Allowing Kaiden to die is the better choice. Assigning Ashley (pure soldier/combat specialist) to work with Major Kirrahe’s team and Kaiden (sentinel/tech specialist) to rig up the nuke would be the most pragmatic choices. In keeping with that pragmatism, rescuing Kirrahe’s team and drawing Saren away from the bomb is the right call.
From a roleplay pov: Going to the bomb where kaidan might be at is also a realistic choice since who's to say saren won't kill kaidan and defuse the bomb while you're stuck at the aa tower saving ash?
I wanted to like Kaiden but he was too plain of a character, Ashley was racist and lack of skills but nlt that boring compared to Kaiden, so I rescued Ashley.
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I've always found Kaiden's, "I understand commander, I don't regret a thing" to be very powerful.
I understand you want hit that commander
I always choose Kaidan simply because the actor played Carth. Lol
Who ?
we have an OG right here
yeah and femshep is Bastila, never forget how awesome these two
All these years and I never noticed that, I really don't know how I missed that seeing how he uses the same voice. Carth was my favorite Kotor companion...
@@antonnito9600 Carth Onassi, your first teammate in Kotor 1.
I have played both ways and no matter which choice I make, it always feels like the wrong choice. With Williams it lets her die a hero in the line of duty redeeming the family name, but with Alenko it lets him prove to himself and everyone else that he was not as bad a person as he thought he was for what he did as a child in the L2 program. The first time I played it also felt like Kaiden did not give Shep much of a choice seeing as how he arms the bomb and will make sure "it goes off no matter what". So in my eyes he was doing the more selfless act.
More like Bioware manipulates the player into choosing Kaiden, cant deny there is a bias in favor of ashley narrative wise, even the mass effect 3 trailer features Ashley and not Kaiden. At the same time one can interpret this as Bioware indirectly trying to establish their canon. Just like Shepard is clearly meant to be a straight male solider and a spacer, war hero...
@@SagaciousNihilist default Shep (both male and female) in legendary edition is an Earthborn Sole Survivor, but sure…
@@SagaciousNihilist Ashley seems like the more paragon choice for both male and female Shepard. Kaidan dying to save a female soldier, someone likeable like Ashley too, feels like an honorable sacrifice. Male Shepard putting a lady first, makes him feel more like a traditional man doing an heroic act of chivalry. Female Shepard can always find another guy to date, but
Ashley's sisters cannot get their flesh and blood sister back. Ashley lost her father, and it's very unpleasant for her to join him so soon and she's so young, and has so much more to live for.
Her redeeming the family name, cannot make up for the grief, and emotional suffering that losing their precious sister would bring. They would have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Kaidan has no one but a mother to go back home to, His mother should understand, Kaidan's sacrifice on Virmire is an honorable one. A manly thing to do, to save a lady soldier on the team.
Kaidan the best do the romance with him if he really likes you he will completely fall in luv with you . Though out 3 games . I take kaidan every on every mission though out mass effect 1/3 unfortunately not in game 2 if you don't kill him off you will see kaidan on horizon.
"I understand, commander. I don't regret a thing!"
MY BOOOOOI! 😥
10:15 Shepard stares at Ashley for an uncomfortable length of time. Silence is always an option.
Shepard thought it was a telltale game 😂
Will chose kaidan because he has more dialogue with crew members in me3
What!? Captain Kirrahe is dead!? What the heck were you doing down there, Shepard!? 😜
I base this decision on what class I'm playing. As a soldier I have no need for Ashley. As a biotic I don't need Kaiden.
What if you are playing Vanguard or Engineer?
Vanguard problems.
@@rainman6090 you still need a solider.
@@farringtonsamuel3413 You really don't. The only thing you need is an engineer to open containers.
@@rainman6090 nah to play insanity you need stronger teammates like ash to provide support. others die quickly.
Kaidan is the obvious choice. Ashley is annoying and always complaining. Plus by ME3 if you run Adept and take Liara and Kaidan with you it's explosion heaven.
Not that Kaidan is any better in ME3 with him asking if Shepard is with Cerberus 50 times.😂
Liara/Javik? I guess im the opposite. I love Ashley's close relationship with her sisters and shes such a tank. Great squadmate. I found Kaidan boring. I was an Adept. I specced Ashley into god-mode. Did the same thing wih Garruss. Lol, took em both with me on a mission once. Dayum, there were no more bad guys to toss around. I got the scraps, haha. She also pairs well with James.
@@TheMrCHELL I mean, they both do that 😂
"Shepard, are you with Cer-"
"FOR THE TWENTIETH TIME, NO!"
Kaidan as a character dying in the first game makes much more sense to me
@@pedrovoss7852 but Kaidan is hot
Kaiden has to die because he's a better Sentinel than I am and it makes me insecure
It was painful for me to pick Ashley over Kaiden but it’s reasonable at that point. I initially let Ashley help with the Salarian commandos on the heavy assault because I knew how resilient she would be and believed Kaiden should be with me to assist with the nuke. By the time I made to the choice between Kaiden and Ashley I was conflicted with the choice. On one hand, Kaiden was with me and always had my back ever since the mission on Eden Prime but on the other Ashley has a family back on earth and not only that the remaining Salarian commandos were in danger of being wiped out. I had no other choice so had to save Ashley instead so no more casualties were increased. You were brave enough to stay behind and arm the nuke Kaiden, goodbye lieutenant and I hope my Shepard can reunite with you someday…
... I won't lie, I always go for Kaiden on the sole reason that Ashley kinda pisses me off, she's got a minor case of not liking aliens and that doesn't sit right with me considering how many aliens I recruit to my crew... that and in ME3, Kaiden is a LOT nicer compared to her
yes, she was a xenophobic
As a Warhammer 40k appreciator i say that she was a good human.
*The Emperor protecs*
People call Ashley a Xenophobe and are all good with Mordin lol. Sounds like double standards to me considering Mordin brought an entire species to the brink of extinction. Also Ashley was right about everything...
@@brodymercer8166 except Mordin isn't a Xenophobe and just did what he did to prevent the Krogan from being completely annihilated, not wanting the galaxy to start another bloody war and commit genocide of another species
@@SwiftTheHedgehog56 I suppose Brody also forgot that Mordin would then sacrifice his life for that same species he "brought to the brink of extinction."
This is still so sad. Alexa, play 'Hold The Line' by Toto.
Hell yeah amazing song!
Hey, that's Kirrahe favorite song!
I always take Garrus and Wrex with me so I’m pro alien. I left Ash behind
Wrex is also a racist or did you miss that detail when playing the games? Theres also alot of antihuman racism in these games, I dont mind it because its realistic.. Hes a racist for the same reason Ashley is too i.e for the way the council races disregard and look down on the interest of their species and for what aliens did to them (Genophage / First contact war)..
Petition for them to remaster ME1 & let us save both like they originally planned.
They already did remaster the game
Remaster a remaster hmmmm sounds kinda familiar
@@DominantDodo I’m talking about the first slow ass and having a whole different ending all together
Im glad they removed saving both option. Saving one of them is what makes this mission and game great. Letting you struggle with choices and knowing you cant save everyone
Kaiden every time. Have other squad mates with biotics, Ash is pretty damn good on the battlefield with some good armor.
yeh in ME2 there's so many squad biotics Kaiden is somewhat redundant.
that's why i picked Ash, she's a regular human marine with no powers but still kicks ass
Liking the remaster. Didnt get into the first one properly before. Found it clunky and the Xbox crashed. This feels like a new game.
I chose to sacrifice Kaiden and saved Ashley. After that, once the nuke went off and Shepard watches from above, I literally said, "Rogue One, May the Force be with you."
Me too because she's beautiful ❤
I'll Always choose ash
Easiest decision ever during my first blind playthrough at release. As soon as Ashley shot Wrex in the back she was on my shit list. I didn’t even hesitate.
Ashley didn't shoot my wrex in the back
@@mojoofftherobo I always managed to avoid it in subsequent playthroughs. But playing blind it totally blindsided me, pardon the redundance. I didn't know that moment was coming and I wasn't allowed to do the family armor quest or upgrade my persuade skill before I got the Virmire message. I also had a no-reload policy when it came to decisions; I save those for the second playthrough to see variances.
She waa in the right. Wrex wasnt backing down and he was threatening Ashley's CO. What was she supposed to do? Besides, even she was prolly suprised 1 bullet killed him.
@@kevinthunder3375 not saying she was wrong lol
You should've had a better silver tongue to Wrex, YOU FAILED WREX, ASH DIDN'T FAIL YOU.
Paragon male Shepard; I saved Ashley and the Salarians, while Kaiden died with the bomb. Felt that this choice added drama as it is the more flawed ("space racist") character who ended up surviving. Also story-wise, Ashley joined Shepard much later than Kaiden, it would be pointless to kill her off so soon. And also, this adds extra burden to Shepard having to sacrifice an old friend (Kaiden) to save the majority.
In addition, Kaidan really has no one back home to return to. If I remembered correctly, he was shipped off to biotic school when he was a kid and most of his friends there are already dead anyway. He's only got Shepard whereas Ashley still has her sisters back on earth so she still has people worth figting for.
@@TheSimGuy007 Javik also has noone to turn to in ME3, Neither did Jack, Miranda, Garrus and Jacob during ME2.
Thats not a good reasoning to kill off Kaidan.
Dont get me wrong, I did leave him behind for different reasons. But ''you dont have a place to go back'' isnt a solid reason.
Ashley seems like the more paragon choice for both male and female Shepard. Kaidan dying to save a female soldier, someone likeable like Ashley too, feels like an honorable sacrifice. Male Shepard putting a lady first, makes him feel more like a traditional man doing an heroic act of chivalry. Female Shepard can always find another guy to date, but Ashley's sisters cannot get their flesh and blood sister back. Ashley lost her father, and it's very unpleasant for her to join him so soon and she's so young, and has so much more to live for.
Her redeeming the family name, cannot make up for the grief, and emotional suffering that losing their precious sister would bring. They would have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Kaidan has no one but a mother to go back home to, His mother should understand, Kaidan's sacrifice on Virmire is an honorable one. A manly thing to do, to save a lady soldier on the team.
@@kendrickpalmore4128 Counter argument:
Kaidan is a more experienced soldier who is not only a strong biotic, but also a technician and cook.
To both the team, mission and the military, he is worth ten Ashes.
Sacrificing him for essentially a foot soldier is illogical.
Well Kaidan was higher rank than Ashley. I understand how he can be a spectre and LC. But nobody explains how a gunnery chief can be LC and spectre without any politic bullshit behind.
She rose through the ranks? Or maybe not...remember, the Citadel cares only about talent and potential, not a useless military rank.
@@kevinthunder3375 in 2-3 years she went from Gunny to Lt.C? Please, her becoming a specter is clearly political, its done by Udina after he becomes councilor as a way to gain humanity more leverage, they choose her because she is the only other human combatant in Shepards crew and then he proceeds to make her his personal bodyguard. If anyone deserved specter its was Garrus.
@@SagaciousNihilist Garrus was in the running to be the next turian spectre before the events of ME1, but turned it down at his father's wishes.
I pick Ash to keep the my squad male to female ratio even 😂, I play male Shep, sorry Kaiden 😅
I saved Kaiden on my FemShep playthrough and he flirted with her in 3 so I restarted from 1 and saved Ashley instead. Ash, especially when you pick the Paragon options in every conversation, is far better IMO, and I kinda have a hard time choosing between her and Liara, usually depends on if I headcanon a side effect of the Lazarus Project being a life span equal to an Asari's or not.
I understand commander i dont regret a thing allways gets me
I killed ashley accidentally and reloaded the game 30 min back to save her after i realized what i did 😂
I rolled with Kaidan the whole game til this point.Liara and Kaidan.But I picked to save Ashley.Idk
I’m playing ME1 so I’m gonna save Kaidan as I want him as my romance for male shepherd in ME3
I never liked Ashley but i chose to save her, idk why. Maybe because both of them kept saying "save the other", and Kaidan's rank was above Ashley's so i trusted him more when he said to go save Ashley. Also Ashley is xenophobic in a ship full of aliens, but i guess that's just more drama for entertainment.
if you think ashley’s xenophobic you’ve completely misunderstood her dialogue and character
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 she quite Says she doesn’t like aliens and feels uncomfortable around them are you daft
@@juliet4093 like any sane person would when surrounded by a species who are known to dislike humans.
@@anishdebnath3142 These morons forget that humanity just joined the galactic community just a few short decades ago, even if there wasnt so many stigmas and prejudices against humans, which there are, it would only be natural for humans to feel uncomfortable, prejudice and mistrust for aliens, ESPECIALLY, since our first contact with these aliens resulted in a war with them. The first contact war wasnt that far off from the ME1 timeline, a large portion of humanity would still have an adverse outlook towards aliens, especially Ashleys family since they fought in it.
Its ok when Wrex is racist against Salarians in all 3 games though, he gets a pass. All Aliens in the game can be racist, its just that humans are bad, Javik is probably the most racist character of all, yet he gets a pass and even Liara had a prejudice against humans and interpreted human behavior as humans being a dangerous speices that behaved like bullies, but according to these selfhating cucks Ashley BAD even though her outlook is a byproduct of circumstance not blind hate and she changes her perspective throughout the games. Reminds me of whats going on today with all these self hating white liberals, pandering to groups who openly hate them... Look how the council treats humanity after one of their major colonies (Eden prime) gets attacked by Saren and the Geth, and how easily Saren plays on the antihuman prejudices of the council to make his case... I dont mind Ashleys outlook, because its REALISTIC and merited, I certainly wont let her get killed for it.
I like Ash but I never will let my senpai Kaidan die
James makes Ashley in ME3 immensely redundant.
i chose Kaidan the first time (About 12 years ago on my first playthrough) because I thought that most people who played this game were guys, and thus they would choose Ashley to save. Therefore, I did the opposite of what most people did. I chose to go with Kaidan based on why everyone else chose him over Ashley. Ashley was saved on a different playthrough.
The head-writer for Ashley left after Mass Effect 2. We will never know what could have been done with Ashley as far as character development and writing in Mass Effect 3. Head-writer also apologized for that one remark in Mass Effect 1 which everyone calls her Xenophobic. He regrets that line (Couldn't tell aliens from the animals on the citadel line) because it got blown out of proportion. She is not really Xenophobic or racist, just that every race believes they are superior to other races. Like how the Turians were higher compared to the humans. It was worth the reading what the head-writer had to say.
Im having a weird Mandela Effect right now after playing ME1 Legendary...
Shepard assumes that Ashley or Kaidan knew all the risks going in, if you take one of them to the beacon on Virmire, neither of them warn you not to interact with it. Ashley and Kaidan were there when the beacon self destructed and knocked Shepard unconscious on eden prime. You would think Shepard would know not to risk the same incident. Shepard is careless and does it anyway. Whoever is at the bomb site with you, they obviously were not expecting geth to attack the bomb site. Ashley and Kaidan should both know by then that the geth tend to work in numbers.
They seen that on eden prime. They don't work alone. Shepard knew more about the geth. Considering all the prior missions before Virmire. Before you reach the bomb site, you have to fight through numerous geth in order to get there. Protecting the nuke wasn't going to be a simple firefight. With the base on high alert. Reinforcements were inbound to their location. With no support or backup, Ashley or Kaidan quickly get overwhelmed and activate the nuke, this is when Shepard has to choose who to rescue. Shepard and Kaidan knew from the start that they didn't have enough soldiers to meet the geth forces head on. That they're outnumbered, and Shepard didn't expect that Kirrahe's team would need backup sooner or later. That's where things went very wrong.
Kaidan is a nice guy, but Ash is my cannon romance, so... Sorry, L2 implants. Btw, do you gonna make a video about Ash romance in the remaster, my friend?
First I wanted to do for Liara, we'll see, might do for Ash and others aswell.
@@Northalix ok then bro
@Lasagna Cat That’s complete bs, the Turian military started the first contact war simply because they’re all a shoot first ask questions later type of aliens, ever piece of lore points at that and is admitted as such by basically every turian ever from Garrus, Vetra, even the damn councilor. Was not some “misunderstanding”. They’re not very good at politics simply and more military minded, not saying that’s inherently bad of course but we see time and time again the turian military completely disregarding other races entirely to get their way, what with neutering the Krogan after they saved the damn galaxy and only got a statue and spit in the face as payment, and instead of being diplomatic in the first contact war they immediately started war attacking human colony’s after they thought they DESTROYED MOST OF THE HUMAN FLEET. Even read the comics about TIM, it shows them gunning town civies, ash even talks about how her grandfather surrendered to the Turians because they blockaided the place and kept it from getting reinforcements and would level entire blocks full of civilians to kill soldiers. The other races didn’t even care, they just let politics wrap it up and the council themselves had to tell the Turians to back up. So imho it’s definitely warranted being continuously pissed at turian military personnel, which ash only ever expresses distrust in, and we have to remember, in that very conversation she admits she’s ignorant and tells Shepard she’s never once worked with aliens before. As we see with wrex in ME3’s sabotage route, he’s arguably more xenophobic than she is in every capacity, thinking his people in the moment are more important than the fate of the entire damned galaxy.
As for Garrus, he openly supports his military’s actions in the first contact war when speaking to that terra firma guy so I wouldn’t exactly call him a beacon of morality either.
Don’t even get me started on the Asari high command. They’ve made their entire species this facade of superiority over other races and act with that belief numerous times, only being “superior” because those hypocrites hid one of the most advanced and complete prothean beacons to date inside a monastery and bled info from it, even liara was disgusted by her people’s foundation of hypocrisy. Still get a kick out of that sharing prothean knowledge rule they whipped up. That entire beacon is why I have no qualms about letting the Asari councilor die
Point is, none of the races in ME are perfect, humans too. But ash’s distrust I feel like was consistently proven to be fair at just about every turn. However, I don’t think that’s racist or xenophobic, all she said was that it’s human nature to look out for people like yourselves, and that her mistrust is mistrust in their motivations and allegiances. The first contact war and Asari were proof of her beliefs
Honestly the only decent alien race of importance is the salarians. They did like, one bad thing and that wasn’t even their fault, the turians were the one that released the thing.
I could go on and on, about their lack of care against batarians, arguably worse than the krogan while not as dangerous but consistently target humans and almost killed 4.4 million people in the bring down the sky mission, but nope, when Shepard is indirectly responsible for 300,000 batarians dying he needs to be dealt with. Damn I mean look at talitha on the ruthless Shepard side, she got turned into a slave and horrible things were done to her. And yet, no one seems to think the same way towards them that they do the geth, with nine out of ten of the alien species collectively going “yea geth need to be wiped out”. And “yea geth are all evil”.
I think there’s an old saying about bystanders watching injustices. “Not making a decision is a decision”, and “Not making a decision is just as worse”. Them watching as that shit just happens is down right criminal to every one of their victims
@Lasagna Cat I wasn’t even talking about ash for the majority of it, it was only about aliens so go off and your entirely wrong tangent lol
In a paragraph, the Turians are military minded and it was no misunderstanding when they invaded human colonies and leveled entire blocks full of civilians to kill human soldiers. The Asari almost doomed all of the galaxy by keeping the beacon on thessia a secret and their own hypocrisy about the beacons disgusted liara, what with them feigning superiority purely because they hid knowledge then demanded it from other races were they to find prothean beacons as well
And lastly, everyone hates geth but a race that literally tried to destroy a human planet with 4.4 million people gets no repercussions, not even acknowledgement about the need to intervene.
She doesn’t distrust aliens, she distrusts their motives. In her own words, it’s just human nature to look out for yourself and fellow people like you as opposed to something like a dog compared to a human. Asari prove this claim, demanding compliance while they themselves are their own antithesis, and the turian military just shoots anything that moves and has zero idea of diplomacy and purely thinks with their guns
@Lasagna Cat there. Did your 6 year old brain take that information in? Because you clearly cannot handle anything over that
They’re both as dull as a Scottish November sky so it ultimately doesn’t matter
Kaiden is Canadian. He is therefore the superior choice.
I always save Ashley Williams because she was so nice
Whilst i prefer Ashley, the part i have the strongest feelings about is... make damn sure the one that goes with Kirrahe is the one you want to save
Saving the one at the bomb site is something ive only done once in my entire Mass Effect Career, and it was so unsatisfyingly wrong.
...also Kirrahe is cool and IIRC you cant save him by going back to the bomb
Wish I could leave them both
Lol, after reading comments of people saying ‘sorry, but if I have to choose...’ this made me laugh XD
The nice person who's never done anything wrong or the literal space racist who in some playthroughs killed Wrex
Yeah but the nice person is boring.
If only Shepard had a psychological profile like Savior Shepard, that can allow us to save both Ashley and Kaidan. The Sole Survivor, War hero, and Ruthless are all failures, who watched their whole unit die on a certain planet. We need an expert Shepard, at keeping teams together.
Bioware had reduced me1's replay value in return for emotional depth, forcing Shepard to leave somebody behind in every playthrough, doesn't help me1's replayability. I only save my love Ashley. I happily dedicate my Shepards, my guns, my squadmates, and my Normandy to saving only her. Making sure she's safe is of utmost importance. It's important not to be too focused on the mission that you can't keep a team together. You shouldn't take any unnecessary risks, so that everyone can make it out safely. Like in me2's suicide mission. Everyone can survive if Shepard makes all the right choices, if only Virmire was that way. Me1 would be a lot more satisfying to replay.
Nah it’s better this way, gives the game a touch of realism and a hard choice to make. I feel as if it should’ve been impossible to save everyone in ME2 also
At least they held the line😢
I can't kill Ashely. Like I can't kill Wrex. She's annoying and not loyal etc but she's like a little bad ass sister.
Ash is my wife, when I romance anyone else in the game without killing her off in 1, I feel like I'm cheating on her.
You let capitan kirahee die? 😢, Also, i always save the squadmate that is with the sularians... most of the times is Kaiden because i always thought he could provide more support with his biotics and tech, even if Ash ask to be with the sularians and to trust her. (It's not that i trust her, it's just that she isn't the most fit to the task at the moment).
Another reason why i let Ash die instead of Kaiden is because after her death, Ash is recognized by the Alliance, Sularians and i think also the council. Givig honor to her family's reputation, having into account her family's history, while Kaiden doesn't recive the same recognition...
Many hate Ash but i don't, she may have some rude comments but that's because she has a rough personality. When we confront Wrex, if she gets to shoot him is to save us because Wrex wouldn't hesitate to kill us if he has to, she has our back.
Does the dialogue change if you romance & sacrifice Ashley or Kaidan
i personaly played this game many times
when i played as female Shepard, than i say bye bye to Ashley
But if i ma male, than Kaiden is that who is going to be left behind
i know i may sound rude, but i need my love interest alive
BTW i would like to save both, sad its impossible
p.s - maybe developers will make them both alive in next Mass Effect game (like Shepard in Mass Effet 2 with that lazerus project) :P
Would be nice, but more i think no than yes
BTW good reason to wait next Mass Effect game :) :D
Wait, Ash can set the bomb? I always thought it was Kaidan.
It just depends on who you choose to go with the salarians, the other one sets the bomb
Kaiden is the sacrificial lamb in all my playthroughs.
To be honest Ashley was the right choice to me. Didn't like how she insulted the aliens.
Also what she does to Wrex if you don't calm him down
Although her voice actress Kimberly Brooks is awesome.
Kaidens a cool dude.
I saved Kaidan cause I wanted to romance someone in 1 but I wanted to hook up with Tali later lol.
I can't stand Ashley. Always Kaidan
What they should've done, they should've made a Renegade or Paragon speech check where you could save BOTH Kaiden and Ash on Vyrmire, they speech checked the arguments on the Normandy between Miranda and Jack and Tali and Leigon in ME 2, but it's sad here that they at least didn't give you that option here.
No way, this choice here was impactful rescuing both would've diminished that
No they shouldn't that would ruin the choice completly.
If you can only save Kaiden or Ashley, then it's a hard choice with no right answer.
If you can save Kaiden, Ashley, or Both then there isn't a choice. There's two mistakes and an easy answer.
I actually love Ash, she may be xenophobic but that gives so much space for character development in the future.
But I could never know if she ever got character development or not cuz NOTHING compares to my baby paragon Kaiden.
Will never hesitate to choose Kaiden over anything 😤😤
You choose right
Kaidan always
I wish I saved him 😭
Kaidan is so boring... But I can at least put up with his boring conversations for 3 games. Ashley's better left a smoldering crater on Virmire.
People only say he's boring because he's not a cool looking alien or a hot human girl
@@killyourdarlings1305 I actually like him I’m stuck on this part don’t know who to choose or pick
@@killyourdarlings1305 James and Zaeed are not boring.
But I like Kaidan, at least in ME1.
Jacob is just an asshole in any game.😂
I all ways save oscar isaac over Ashley
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I'll Always choose ash because she's a Noob in me1😂
Allowing Kaiden to die is the better choice. Assigning Ashley (pure soldier/combat specialist) to work with Major Kirrahe’s team and Kaiden (sentinel/tech specialist) to rig up the nuke would be the most pragmatic choices. In keeping with that pragmatism, rescuing Kirrahe’s team and drawing Saren away from the bomb is the right call.
It's much more epic to fight near the nuke
From a roleplay pov: Going to the bomb where kaidan might be at is also a realistic choice since who's to say saren won't kill kaidan and defuse the bomb while you're stuck at the aa tower saving ash?
I wanted to like Kaiden but he was too plain of a character, Ashley was racist and lack of skills but nlt that boring compared to Kaiden, so I rescued Ashley.
Never played Mass Effect a day in my life and I'm at this very point, what do I do!?
Both are made to be annoying in Mass Effect 2 and specially 3.
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I will not save a fascist
Communist spotted
@@harrydubois6619 Yeah I am
Why we can't save both ? what a stupid choice.
Stupid? No sometimes that’s just how life is hard choices and makes the quest meaningful