I enjoyed this video as much as all the stuff before, you offer clear and valuable information. I would like to add one point: Sometimes engineers love you for setting up your crashes a little bit higher in order to prevent sound leakage. Never put your china near to a tom mic. The sound guy might kill you, and he is justified for sure.😂
Good Friday morning to you, Mr. CSM and thank you for being here, as cymbal placement is a concept I think about all the time. This lesson really makes sense to me, and I am taking one idea you gave to heart, and that is my main crash. Right now I have my main crash pretty much to the right of my #2 rack tom with my ride to the right of that. Putting the main crash to the slight left of my #1 rack tom really makes sense, as it lets me hit it with either hand. That’s a great idea. Here is one question that always pops into my head and it is about tones of my cymbals. Are cymbals ever set up according to ascending or descending tones? Thank you again for your informative videos especially now that you are beginning a new school year. I retired after the 2015-2016 school year. That was my 39th year as an elementary teacher, and I will be forever thankful for the wonderful opportunity I had with so many young people.❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
Just giving my opinon on that topic: There isn't any strict rule how to place the crashes and splashes. For me at least it makes sense to place them like the toms from "highest sound" (left) to "lowest sound" (right) with exception of the ride cymbal, which i placed slightly over the stand tom because I just like my crashes left and right above my rag toms. But as always: Whatever works for you is just the right way.
First off, thank you for your long service as a teacher. That's inspiring to me! Second, I'm glad that there was an idea that helped you out - that's the goal! And as for cymbals arranged tonally - have you ever checked out Terry Bozzio? He would probably do something like that. Thanks again for another supportive comment. It is much appreciated.
@@CommonSenseMusician I have heard of Mr. Bozzio and will have to take a peek to see if he has anything to offer as far as cymbals arrangement goes. Thank you again.❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
And again, thanks a lot for another very informative video. I really enjoy your videos since the very first one! Although I´m naturally not agreeing to every single one of your tips and opinions, there´s always something to take away for me and to think about. And that´s what differentiates your videos from many others. You don't try to tell me "Do this or do that!" nor are your trying to convince me of anything. You're essentially saying "consider this or that and think about it". Which is much more helpful. Just my opinion. No-one has to agree of course... Greetings from Germany!
Thanks very much for your comment. I do have some strong opinions, but I also recognize that we're all different and what works for me might not work for you. Thank you for watching! (Did you watch the outtakes at the end? Lang lebe das Vaterland!)
@@CommonSenseMusician Yes, I did watch the outtakes 😂👍🏼 Be careful though: Sentences like "Lang lebe das Vaterland" can get you in trouble over here. Few people here would think that this funny. You might know, we've had a few problems here with a small man from Austria some eighty years ago... I can't be easily offended, but most germans can be sadly. However: I can't wait to watch your next video!
@@markusjuenemann Oh! I had no idea that was a controversial thing to say. I will definitely avoid it in the future. Thank you for the knowledge! I have a very rudimentary knowledge of the German language and an appreciation of the culture (and one of my favorite musicians in my area is from Munich!), but not a lot of awareness.
@@keithsorensen6986 You're welcome! To put it in simple words: Because of that whole situation back then, Germans get taught from early on to not be proud of their country. It's a very difficult and sensible topic. As I said, it´s not so much a problem for me as it is for others. Many people here can't let history be history. Let´s just be thankful that it didn't work out for that small austrian man... If you wanna learn more about it, start by watching "The great dictator" by Charly Chaplin. It explains a lot before you go into the real stuff.
The set up toward the end of the video looks very similar to my own, 4 pc with a crash out front and one off to the right. I would say that I choose which crash to hit based on where I am coming from, the one out front from the snare or hh and the one to the right from the ride or floor tom. My question is about the tonality of my 2 crashes (and I understand that the answer is probably "whatever works for you") but wondering about having them both sound about the same as opposed to having a higher pitch off the hh and a lower pitch off the ride (or vice versa)?
Great question. I definitely try to have two different, but complementary, pitches that also sound great if I crash them together. Thank you for the comment!
Can I get your opinion on something. I currently have a set of meinl hcs cymbals. I'd like to upgrade. I totally understand that sound is subjective but here's where I'm at. I'm just 1 year into learning and I only play at home. I don't ever see myself playing in a band or anything like that. I'm not interested in low volume cymbals but I'd like something that isn't super loud. Would a dark or dry cymbal be better than a bright cymbal? These hcs's seem to be stupid loud. I will blame myself a bit because I tend to hit them hard haha. I can't control my dynamics yet lol. Thank you
That's a great question. I think the nature of cymbals is just to be stupid loud. To a degree, the thicker and bigger they are, the harder you'd have to hit to make them loud (but because they're big, they're capable of being louder!). I'd actually recommend a more sensitive cymbal (maybe the Byzance Series or something like a Zildjian K Custom) and then start working on your dynamics. I've found that those cymbals have such a different response / sound depending on how loud you play, that you naturally start adjusting your dynamics to get the sound that you want. The more entry level cymbals (like an HCS) sort of just have one sound. So it doesn't matter how hard or soft you play. Hopefully that makes sense. Thanks for the question!
I try to keep them as low as I can. Top of chest / nipple height if I can. Having them close and low means I don't have to move as far to get to anything.
Another great video. I always enjoy all the topic you talk about, things we all forget about and the longer we play drums we tend to not do it any longer.
Rule of thumb for angle at any given height: If you just want to crash it, have the edge point at your nipples. So if you want them flat, have them nipple height. If you want to both ride and crash, it’s bellybutton, so flat at bellybutton height, or tilted toward you so that the edge would point at your bellybutton. If it’s a super heavy ride that you’ll just ride on, it can be anywhere lower than that, waist/thigh kind of area.
I enjoyed this video as much as all the stuff before, you offer clear and valuable information.
I would like to add one point: Sometimes engineers love you for setting up your crashes a little bit higher in order to prevent sound leakage.
Never put your china near to a tom mic. The sound guy might kill you, and he is justified for sure.😂
Agreed on both counts!
Good Friday morning to you, Mr. CSM and thank you for being here, as cymbal placement is a concept I think about all the time. This lesson really makes sense to me, and I am taking one idea you gave to heart, and that is my main crash. Right now I have my main crash pretty much to the right of my #2 rack tom with my ride to the right of that. Putting the main crash to the slight left of my #1 rack tom really makes sense, as it lets me hit it with either hand. That’s a great idea.
Here is one question that always pops into my head and it is about tones of my cymbals. Are cymbals ever set up according to ascending or descending tones?
Thank you again for your informative videos especially now that you are beginning a new school year. I retired after the 2015-2016 school year. That was my 39th year as an elementary teacher, and I will be forever thankful for the wonderful opportunity I had with so many young people.❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
Just giving my opinon on that topic: There isn't any strict rule how to place the crashes and splashes. For me at least it makes sense to place them like the toms from "highest sound" (left) to "lowest sound" (right) with exception of the ride cymbal, which i placed slightly over the stand tom because I just like my crashes left and right above my rag toms. But as always: Whatever works for you is just the right way.
First off, thank you for your long service as a teacher. That's inspiring to me! Second, I'm glad that there was an idea that helped you out - that's the goal! And as for cymbals arranged tonally - have you ever checked out Terry Bozzio? He would probably do something like that.
Thanks again for another supportive comment. It is much appreciated.
@@CommonSenseMusician I have heard of Mr. Bozzio and will have to take a peek to see if he has anything to offer as far as cymbals arrangement goes. Thank you again.❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
@@markusjuenemann Thank you for your input, Markus. That way certainly makes sense to me.❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
@@gregwonhoff7161 You're welcome, mate!
And again, thanks a lot for another very informative video. I really enjoy your videos since the very first one! Although I´m naturally not agreeing to every single one of your tips and opinions, there´s always something to take away for me and to think about. And that´s what differentiates your videos from many others. You don't try to tell me "Do this or do that!" nor are your trying to convince me of anything. You're essentially saying "consider this or that and think about it". Which is much more helpful.
Just my opinion. No-one has to agree of course...
Greetings from Germany!
Thanks very much for your comment. I do have some strong opinions, but I also recognize that we're all different and what works for me might not work for you. Thank you for watching! (Did you watch the outtakes at the end? Lang lebe das Vaterland!)
@@CommonSenseMusician Yes, I did watch the outtakes 😂👍🏼 Be careful though: Sentences like "Lang lebe das Vaterland" can get you in trouble over here. Few people here would think that this funny. You might know, we've had a few problems here with a small man from Austria some eighty years ago... I can't be easily offended, but most germans can be sadly. However: I can't wait to watch your next video!
@@markusjuenemann Oh! I had no idea that was a controversial thing to say. I will definitely avoid it in the future. Thank you for the knowledge! I have a very rudimentary knowledge of the German language and an appreciation of the culture (and one of my favorite musicians in my area is from Munich!), but not a lot of awareness.
@@keithsorensen6986 You're welcome!
To put it in simple words: Because of that whole situation back then, Germans get taught from early on to not be proud of their country. It's a very difficult and sensible topic. As I said, it´s not so much a problem for me as it is for others. Many people here can't let history be history. Let´s just be thankful that it didn't work out for that small austrian man...
If you wanna learn more about it, start by watching "The great dictator" by Charly Chaplin. It explains a lot before you go into the real stuff.
Thank you!
The set up toward the end of the video looks very similar to my own, 4 pc with a crash out front and one off to the right. I would say that I choose which crash to hit based on where I am coming from, the one out front from the snare or hh and the one to the right from the ride or floor tom. My question is about the tonality of my 2 crashes (and I understand that the answer is probably "whatever works for you") but wondering about having them both sound about the same as opposed to having a higher pitch off the hh and a lower pitch off the ride (or vice versa)?
Great question. I definitely try to have two different, but complementary, pitches that also sound great if I crash them together. Thank you for the comment!
Can I get your opinion on something. I currently have a set of meinl hcs cymbals. I'd like to upgrade. I totally understand that sound is subjective but here's where I'm at. I'm just 1 year into learning and I only play at home. I don't ever see myself playing in a band or anything like that. I'm not interested in low volume cymbals but I'd like something that isn't super loud. Would a dark or dry cymbal be better than a bright cymbal? These hcs's seem to be stupid loud. I will blame myself a bit because I tend to hit them hard haha. I can't control my dynamics yet lol. Thank you
That's a great question. I think the nature of cymbals is just to be stupid loud. To a degree, the thicker and bigger they are, the harder you'd have to hit to make them loud (but because they're big, they're capable of being louder!). I'd actually recommend a more sensitive cymbal (maybe the Byzance Series or something like a Zildjian K Custom) and then start working on your dynamics. I've found that those cymbals have such a different response / sound depending on how loud you play, that you naturally start adjusting your dynamics to get the sound that you want. The more entry level cymbals (like an HCS) sort of just have one sound. So it doesn't matter how hard or soft you play. Hopefully that makes sense. Thanks for the question!
I try to keep them as low as I can. Top of chest / nipple height if I can. Having them close and low means I don't have to move as far to get to anything.
For the longest time I thought it's called a right cymbal, because that's where it stands lol
Makes sense to me!
Another great video. I always enjoy all the topic you talk about, things we all forget about and the longer we play drums we tend to not do it any longer.
Thank you!
I put my toms in front of the snare drum and my ride cymbal over the bass drum for ergonomic purposes.
That’s a great approach.
Rule of thumb for angle at any given height:
If you just want to crash it, have the edge point at your nipples. So if you want them flat, have them nipple height. If you want to both ride and crash, it’s bellybutton, so flat at bellybutton height, or tilted toward you so that the edge would point at your bellybutton. If it’s a super heavy ride that you’ll just ride on, it can be anywhere lower than that, waist/thigh kind of area.
Good rules! Thanks for the comment!
Totally right handed perception 😢
Dang! Such a good point! I should have mentioned that this concept can apply both ways. Thanks for the comment!